[00:00] <skiboy> sw0rdy: If you're on Intel, you should be using VA-API
[00:01] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Are you using something other than ntel graphics?
[00:01] <skiboy> sw0rdy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hardware_video_acceleration
[00:10] <dogeatscatworld> How to check the reverse dependencies of a package, but only for packages which i currently have installed?
[00:10] <zomaar> I probably shouldn't tell people that I'm upgrading to 16.10, so I haven't.
[00:10] <sw0rdy> skiboy: I'm using AMD Radeon graphics card
[00:10] <zomaar> dogeatscatworld: In general you use apt-rdepends
[00:11] <dogeatscatworld> zomaar: Yes, but i want to list only the reverse dependencies that are also packages currently installed on the system.
[00:11] <TheSov> Bashing-om, how do i add nomodeset i dont see where i could do that?
[00:11] <sw0rdy> skiboy: which project is the one that surprisingly asked for licence fees
[00:13] <zomaar> dogeatscatworld: Then you could in principle filter that manually
[00:13] <Bashing-om> TheSov: the forum link is extensive with the backjground . in essense : boot the liveUSB - t the purple splash screen (stick figure keyboard emblems at bottom of screen) -> hit any key ->
[00:14] <Bashing-om> Language screen -> escape key to accept the default ->
[00:14] <Bashing-om> Booting options screen -> F6 key (other options) -> arrow down to the preset option(s) space or enter to accept and then the escape key to exit;
[00:14] <TheSov> ok
[00:14] <TheSov> thanks!
[00:14] <skiboy> sw0rdy: h.265.  It's not surprising MPEG-LA asked for license fees.  It's how they make their money.
[00:15] <sw0rdy> oh!
[00:15] <sw0rdy> isn't it google that owns h.265?
[00:15] <skiboy> sw0rdy; AMD supports VA-API.  That has support for both encoding and decoding h.264
[00:15] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Google works on open codecs
[00:16] <sw0rdy> skiboy: or was it that google owns/created VP9
[00:16] <skiboy> sw0rdy: A lot of people own h.265.  That's how a patent pool works
[00:16] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Google developed VP9, yes.
[00:26] <sw0rdy> skiboy: I'm reading on the wiki and I think just installing ubuntu-restricted-addons should be enough to have firefox/chromium be using hardware accelarated video playback, right?
[00:27] <sw0rdy> 17.10
[00:30] <michael2> out of interest, does anyone know how much disk space archive.ubuntu.com's apt server much use for storing all its packages? it must be many terabytes?
[00:31] <mutante> michael2: we run a mirror of ubuntu and it's 996G
[00:31] <mutante> archive might be more, dunno
[00:32] <michael2> interesting, thanks
[00:41] <skiboy> sw0rdy: gstreamer1.0-libav and chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra should be enough
[00:52] <hdon> hi all :) i'm on a xenial system with unbound local dns server serving dns requests on loopback. question: i can't find an unbound.conf file in /etc. where is my config likely to be? has unbound replaced dnsmasq as the local caching dns server?
[00:52] <hdon> oh i see. this unbound process isn't from xenial. my bad
[00:59] <Sveta> how to find what ubuntu flavor i'm using? helping another user and they don't really know this themselves
[01:07] <Bashing-om> Sveta: ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ' will give a good indication .
[01:29] <banisterfiend> yo, is: foo() { command }   equivalent to: foo() { command; return $? }   (ignore syntax errors as i ahve to write it all on one line :) )
[01:30] <nacc> banisterfiend: maybe you emant to ask in ##bash or another more appropriate channel?
[01:30] <banisterfiend> nacc k
[01:46] <stephen101> i keep getting a internel error since i updated ubuntu
[01:49] <stephen101> https://photos.app.goo.gl/CUuvOqKWRpe4779Y2
[02:17] <ubuntu079> ANY ONE HAVE INFORMATION ON HOW TO INSTALL CANON CUPS PRINTER DRIVER ON UBUNTU
[02:18] <kenrin> Go to canon website,  download them,  follow instructions ?
[02:28] <hanabishi> hello everyone
[02:28] <ubuntu> hello
[02:29] <hanabishi> good morning
[02:29] <Guest2685> good morning
[02:30] <aj_ubuntu> hello
[02:30] <ubuntu079> KENRIN--I HAVE READ ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR INSTALLATION, STILL CANNOT GET THE INSTALL.SH SCRIPT TO EXECUITE... I AM RUNNING UBUNTU 14.04 64BYTE VERSION..NOTHING IN THE INSTALLATIONS EXPLAINS WHAT TO DO IN THAT SITUATION.
[02:33] <xXLabRatXx> Hell
[02:33] <xXLabRatXx> o
[02:33] <xXLabRatXx> *hello
[02:35] <kenrin> What do you mean it won't execute.  Does it give an error ?
[02:35] <kenrin> If you truly mean it won't execute then you need to chmod +x install.sh to give execute persmissions
[02:35] <kenrin> If there is an error,  google the error someone has probably ran into the same issue before
[02:36] <JonelethIrenicus> anyone else having problems with the 387 nvidia driver?
[02:36] <JonelethIrenicus> UID 127 bootloop?
[02:37] <ubuntu079> KENRIN--IT JUST RETURNS A NEW LINE WITH A BLINKING CURSOR.....
[02:40] <hanabishi> smtp has stop workking in ubuntu is mean?????
[02:42] <ubuntu079> KENRIN--COMMAND LINE SYNTAX WAS....sudo install.sh..WHEN REQUSTED TO ENTER PASSWORD IT WAS ENTERED AND ENDED WITH THE ENTER KEY...
[02:43] <gracious1> moon
[02:43] <kenrin> You going to have to do a bit of googling then.  canon model number + ubuntu and see if someone has a fix.   Canon only makes linux drivers for when the device was released and never updates them
[02:44] <kenrin> Or look at the install script,  dissect it, write a new one to install it
[02:44] <Guest26233> h
[02:46] <ubuntu079> KENRIN--WILL GOOGLE FOR POSSIBLE FIX/TRICK TO GET THE CUPS DRIVER INSTALLED, WILL ALSO DISECT THE SCRIPT TO SEE IF IT CAN WORK WITH SOME CHANGES. TKS
[02:56] <pistation_> hay
[03:25] <stephen101> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5e9YgtVPV1N6QRxj1 any ideas? getting this internal error on reboots since i updated ubuntu earlier
[03:25] <kenrin> zeitgeist-core ?
[03:26] <stephen101> i am 16.04
[03:26] <stephen101> on*
[03:50] <oerheks> alright, i just installed 17.10 fresh, synaptic won' t start at all :-(
[03:50] <oerheks> No protocol specified // Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused // (synaptic:6767): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[03:55] <whitebeast> Sorry to ask here.. Is there a way to list channels? Or is there a place i can find one?
[03:57] <oerheks> some clients have a channel search feature, else use alis in your browser
[03:57] <oerheks> !alis
[03:57] <JonelethIrenicus> how do I enable kvm?
[03:58] <JonelethIrenicus> INFO: /dev/kvm does not exist
[03:58] <JonelethIrenicus> IOMMU is enabled in my BIOs
[03:58] <kees> JonelethIrenicus: look for "VM-x" in your BIOS?
[03:59] <JonelethIrenicus> kees: couldn't find it
[03:59] <JonelethIrenicus> some one told me AMD has IOMMU
[04:01] <JTechSupport> do I need to register to type?
[04:02] <oerheks> JTechSupport, not in our channel, others might require that
[04:02] <JTechSupport> is it still recommended to use mkusb to put the installation on a USB device? because it couldn't locate that package to install mkusb.
[04:03] <JTechSupport> I seem to be attempting to do this process while on Xubuntu 15.04.
[04:04] <oerheks> i think you want usb-creator-gtk, standard in ubuntu
[04:05] <JTechSupport> oerheks, ah thanks. maybe it's because I'm looking at Ubuntu's help page and not specifically Xubuntu.
[04:05] <learnie> hi
[04:11] <JonelethIrenicus> kees: i have svm in my cpu flags
[04:11] <freetlas> Hey guys. I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my laptop and it's giving me a "error: invalid magic number alloc magic is broken at XXXX. Aborted. Press any key to exit"
[04:17] <JTechSupport> freetlas, did you search for that error? Looks like it might be bad memory.
[04:18] <freetlas> JTechSupport: I did. Haven't been able to fix it yet. That's why I came here since y'all might have more experience than I do
[04:19] <navuser> quit
[04:19] <JTechSupport> freetlas, I don't have much experience, and I'm pretty bad at research, but I just searched for that error. try running memtest to see if your memory is messed up.
[04:20] <freetlas> JTechSupport: you've got the link?
[04:20] <freetlas> Never have run one of those test
[04:21] <JTechSupport> this person ended up having a different cause/problem because they were messing about with the system files. https://askubuntu.com/questions/183601/cant-boot-no-grub-alloc-magic-is-broken
[04:27] <JTechSupport> freetlas, and again, a simple search gives results on how to run memtest. you might want to run it overnight as it could take a while. https://askubuntu.com/questions/591488/how-do-i-run-memtest86/591502
[04:29] <stephen101> there is extensive memtest you can which is standalone on usb.
[04:32] <stephen101> i still have a mce error/ bug that tells me i have a fault in my memory lol. ran 3 different memory test, nadda for issues.
[04:33] <hakim> Hi guys, is there any solution to upgrade my firefox, i'm on 12, & running ubuntu 10, OLD RELEASE
[04:33] <jnewt> haven't used my ubuntu system in a while (several months).  i just booted into it, and i i think the procedure is sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade to make sure i have the latest patches, updates, etc.  i get an error on the upgrade part:
[04:34] <JTechSupport> hakim, you might have to manually install a newer version of Ubuntu, since I think at some point if it's too old it won't let you update the OS.
[04:35] <jnewt> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) and then E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:35] <jnewt> i didn't have anything open when i tried, maybe something that auto started uses it?
[04:38] <hakim> Thank you JTechSupport ,,i'm not trying to upgrade my UBUNTU 10, i just want to update FIREFOX
[04:38] <oerheks> hakim, no go
[04:38] <oerheks> there are no updates, and EOL versions are unsupported here.
[04:39] <JTechSupport> hakim, unfortunately I don't think you can update Firefox if your OS isn't updated. and I found that if my Ubuntu installation was too old, it wouldn't let me update it.
[04:39] <oerheks> you are really vulnerable, and it is a wrong thing to continue using it.
[04:44] <JTechSupport> it's strange. my system died the other day but I was able to boot off the other partition and look through the files. I wonder if it's a software problem or if it got bad sectors. It just spontaneously wouldn't let me save any files saying it was read only. when I restarted I got some strange command prompt.
[04:44] <hakim> Thank you JTechSupport & oerheks,
[04:44] <arussel> is there a way to run an application with xorg when running wayland ? (I've found GDK_BACKEND=x11 for eclipse, but it doesn't work for other applications)
[04:45] <JTechSupport> It was a terrible setup I had. playing World of Warcraft that's heady on file access to load zones, on a partition of the latter half of the HDD where I was running out of space.
[04:46] <stephen101> why not just run 16.04 with  wayland kernel? lol
[04:46] <JTechSupport> n-no problem, hakim. I think you can install a newer version of Ubuntu on top with a very unlikely chance of losing anything, as long as you're not formatting the partitions.
[04:47] <JTechSupport> stephen101, you talking to me?
[04:48] <JTechSupport> oh sorry. I've got horrible tunnel vision.
[04:49] <stephen101> arussel: should have specified
[04:49] <stephen101> sorry
[04:51] <stephen101>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/5e9YgtVPV1N6QRxj1
[04:51] <stephen101> my issue, since i did update earlier though, maybe someone has some input
[04:54] <JTechSupport> oh boy. "The article refers to enterprise grade SSDs : he uses 2 millions cycles of write endurance. Consumer SSDs have about 3000-5000 cycles. A 128 GB SSD with 3000 cycles gives 57 days of continuous 80MB/s writing."
[04:54] <JTechSupport> so maybe I do need to worry about how my SSD is used.
[04:57] <JTechSupport> oh man. oh man. I've noticed I get bad static in my audio, which seems to be coming from the electricity in the house. I wonder if that's a danger to my SSD. ... why would it be a greater danger to my SSD than my HDD?
[04:58] <JTechSupport> this isn't an Ubuntu issue I guess. right.
[04:58] <stephen101> could always install a power surge protect
[04:59] <JTechSupport> I'm using one.
[05:00] <stephen101> shouldnt go over voltage then.
[05:00] <JTechSupport> this power bar only has one monitor plugged into it. yet somehow my electric blanket plugged into a different power bar with my other monitor and speakers are plugged in causes static when the heat is on.
[05:01] <JTechSupport> I know I tried unplugging the sound completely to see if it was coming through that and it wasn't.
[05:01] <stephen101> obviously just some type of interference.
[05:03] <JTechSupport> hm. someone said it was a short circuit. my mic audio is pretty horrendous all the time.
[05:03] <JTechSupport> I generally try to be careful when handling parts when I assembled my machine but I don't know that I was careful enough.
[05:04] <stephen101> idk i ripped apart machines without protection and never zapped anything.
[05:04] <stephen101> even reseating the cpu and heatsink
[05:05] <JTechSupport> m-maybe I'm worrying for nothing. having my computer stop working suddenly really put me on edge.
[05:05] <stephen101> hardware fails lol happens.
[05:06] <JTechSupport> yeah. and I don't keep backups.
[05:07] <stephen101> i keep some backups on the cloud
[05:07] <stephen101> google gives 15gb per account hehe
[05:08] <JTechSupport> bleh. the botnet. I already swore off Windows.
[05:09] <stephen101> dont need windows to use gdrive
[05:09] <JTechSupport> oh no... I bought all this new storage and none of it came with SATA cables.
[05:09] <stephen101> lol
[05:09] <JTechSupport> no but the cloud, especially google is part of the botnet.
[05:10] <stephen101> i stopped using google search they filter the crap out of results
[05:10] <stephen101> you see what they want you to see
[05:11] <JTechSupport> yup. I use alternatives but it's still not ideal. I notice like... when I use startpage, it won't let me insist on using things it tries to auto-correct.
[05:12] <JTechSupport> oh I found a spare SATA cable. that's rare. I don't keep up with technology.
[05:14] <stephen101> i been using duckduckgo for my searches.
[05:14] <stephen101> unfiltered results
[05:29] <mopdprobe> Do I need LFENCE on amd or not?
[05:52] <test_user> hey how's it going guys!!
[05:52] <JTechSupport> thius is annoying. I don't know how to boot from usb. bios shows usb-fdd usb-zip etc
[05:52] <JTechSupport> god I wish I had two keyboards . typing on laptop keyboard is cancer
[05:53] <JTechSupport> and the trackpad too. which I have to hang my hands over so I don't accidentally touch it
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: singleboot or dualboot ubuntu?
[05:53] <stephen101> i use my laptop keyboard but usb mouse lol
[05:54] <stephen101> i dont like the touchpad lol
[05:54] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, I dunno. SSD and HDD. installing off USB
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: you dont know if you want ubuntu single install or dualboot with windows?
[05:55] <JTechSupport> oh. single
[05:55] <JTechSupport> hmm... I wonder what I
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: ok great, have you disabled fastboot and secureboot in bios?
[05:55] <stephen101> i dual with windows 10. thought i only give windows 10 50 gb patition
[05:55] <JTechSupport> 'm doing wrong. I picked USBHDD but it didn't find anything. .... maybe I made the installation wrong. it left existing files when it put th eISO on the USB
[05:56] <stephen101> though*
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: how did you create usb, and wich ubuntu?
[05:56] <JTechSupport> I dont want to compromise my system by sharing hardware with the botnet
[05:56] <JTechSupport> Xubuntu uh.... latest.
[05:57] <JTechSupport> Xubuntu uh.... latest. with USB-creator-gtk
[05:57] <stephen101> there are things that can be done in windows and not in linux and visa versa
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> stephen101: plz keep ontopic mate
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | stephen101 a nice channel
[05:58] <stephen101> i have a support question but no answer
[05:58] <stephen101> so i am lurking at this point, sorry
[05:59] <JTechSupport> it was in context to installing xubuntu {potENTIAL dual boot}+
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> stephen101: to get your issue solved, re-ask here all in one line with all details plz
[05:59] <JTechSupport> oh god this is cancer. I keep tabbing out while typing
[06:00] <stephen101> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5e9YgtVPV1N6QRxj1 had this internal error on and off on reboots since i installed updates earlier. dont know the issue.
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> stephen101: bug it?
[06:01] <JTechSupport> how do I test if my installation USB is bootable?
[06:02] <JTechSupport> since I used usb-creator-gtk
[06:02] <stephen101> i did send report.
[06:02] <stephen101> think 3 times so far lol
[06:02] <mg55> boot it
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> stephen101: 1 time bug it to launchpad is enough mate
[06:03] <JTechSupport> it didn't boot
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> stephen101: system up to date to latest?
[06:03] <JTechSupport> but I'm not sure why
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: you havent replyed to my question yet
[06:03] <stephen101> yes thats when i encontered the current error on boot
[06:04] <stephen101> encountered*
[06:05] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, oh, about fastboot and secureboot? whew. hold on, I gotta unplug my keyboard to try again.
[06:06] <JTechSupport> i dont know if i have fastboot or secureboot
[06:07] <JTechSupport> sorry typing so slow. on laptop i have to be careful not to hit touchpad
[06:08] <JTechSupport> only see hdd s.m.a.r.t. capability. already disabled
[06:11] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, no sign of fastboot or secureboot in bios
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: ok so you have an 'older' bios just set usb-zip to first boot
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: and put your usb stick name on first bootable
[06:13] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, only boot options are USB-FDD USB-ZIP USB-CDROM USB-HDD
[06:14] <alkisg> stephen101: when you get a crash dump, you can either report it by following the dialog, or delete it so that it doesn't annoy you again, using sudo rm /var/crash/*
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: read up, what did i suggest?
[06:14] <JTechSupport> I PICKED USB-HDD but it didnt boot
[06:14] <michael_> hello
[06:14] <alkisg> JTechSupport: some old bios-es show usb hard disks in the HARD DISK section, not in the usb section
[06:14] <stephen101> i did report it, 3 times, reappears randomly
[06:14] <alkisg> JTechSupport: so, select "hard disk" and see if you see it there
[06:15] <alkisg> stephen101: right, that's all you can do, so now delete it so that it doesn't bother you
[06:15] <michael_> have I joined this channel?
[06:15] <alkisg> stephen101: it's up to the zeitgeist developer then to ask for more info etc
[06:15] <JTechSupport> oh sorry.
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> michael_: you are here
[06:16] <JTechSupport> USB-ZIP also failed
[06:16] <alkisg> JTechSupport: I said hard disk, not usb-zip
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: what else did i say?
[06:16] <michael_> My brightness setting does not work
[06:16] <rh10> hey! guys, which tool i need to use t convert video files to smaller size? which one more handy?
[06:17] <stephen101> zeitgeist developer? i just have standard 16.04?
[06:17] <rh10> michael_, about what brightness setting do you speak? im using https://github.com/lordamit/Brightness
[06:17] <rh10> quite handy
[06:17] <rh10> python script
[06:17] <alkisg> stephen101: yes, your report shows that it's a problem with zeitgeist, so it's up to its developer to work on it
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: theres another bios setting to add your usb at first boot
[06:18] <stephen101> its something with the update
[06:18] <stephen101> is there a way to revert to avoid?
[06:18] <alkisg> stephen101: if you think the problem is in the last update, which updated the kernel, then you can select the older kernel in the grub "advanced options" menu
[06:18] <JTechSupport> hm. I tried with Hard Disk 1st, then USB-HDD, then USB-ZIP and still failed.
[06:19] <alkisg> JTechSupport: do you have a mobile phone to get a screenshot of the bios options at that point?
[06:19] <alkisg> !screenshot
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: you see bootable addin cards or so?
[06:19] <JTechSupport> alkisg, no.
[06:19] <michael_> I am using the standard with 17.10
[06:19] <michael_> I will install that thank you
[06:19] <stephen101> ok thanks alkisg
[06:20] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, you mean in the list of devices to pick which boots first? they're pre-set. LS120, hard disk, CDROM, ZIP, and the USB options I listed previously
[06:20] <stephen101> i will just rm for now
[06:21] <JTechSupport> oh, and Legacy LAN
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: https://social.microsoft.com/Forums/getfile/2245/
[06:21] <stephen101> prob not the only one with the issue.
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: your usb should be ontop of that list
[06:22] <oerheks> maybe you need to set it in 2 places, boot priority, and hdd priority
[06:22] <JTechSupport> hehehe. nope. nothingn like that.
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: +1
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: tell us what bios brand you see?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> award? phoenix?
[06:22] <JTechSupport> GA-78LMT-USB3 (rev. 6.0)
[06:23] <alkisg> JTechSupport: do you already have ubuntu/grub installed?
[06:23] <sachin> yep
[06:23] <JTechSupport> ah. award
[06:23] <sachin> yo im new
[06:23] <JTechSupport> alkisg, on this laptop. yes. I'm trying to do fresh install on new storage devices since I think my old desktop installation died
[06:24] <JTechSupport> oh! I found that menu!
[06:24] <stephen101> alkisg: rm: cannot remove '/var/crash/_usr_bin_compiz.1000.uploaded': Operation not permitted
[06:24] <alkisg> stephen101: you didn't use sudo?
[06:24] <alkisg> sudo rm /var/crash/*
[06:24] <stephen101> sorry i didnt lol
[06:25] <JTechSupport> it was "hard disk boot priority"
[06:25] <stephen101> ok worked that time. thanks again.
[06:25] <alkisg> JTechSupport: you can try this: press "c" in grub to get a shell, and then type: set root=(hd
[06:25] <alkisg> ...and at that point, press tab two times, do you see hd0 and hd1 there, or just hd0? If it's just hd0, then usb isn't enabled at all
[06:26] <JTechSupport> oh. there was no USB in that hard disk boot priority menu. just bootable adin cards
[06:26] <JTechSupport> alkisg, back on my laptop?
[06:26] <michael_> rh10_, it says that my brightness is disabled
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: did you physically put your usb stick in?
[06:27] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, yes
[06:27] <alkisg> JTechSupport: I'm not sure I understood correctly... so you have "laptop with 1 internal disk" and "desktop with 1 failed internal disk and 1 external disk that you want to boot from"?
[06:29] <JTechSupport> alkisg, .... I'm on the laptop right now, which has Xubuntu, which is where I'm trying to set things up from. trying to install Xubuntu onto a desktop with SSD, HDD, via USB.
[06:29] <alkisg> JTechSupport: and it fails to boot on the desktop, right? Does that usb stick/disk boot on the laptop itself?
[06:30] <JTechSupport> alkisg, it's not installed on the desktop yet. the USB won't boot.
[06:30] <alkisg> JTechSupport: what I'm asking is to make sure the usb stick is created properly, by trying to boot the LAPTOP from it
[06:31] <JTechSupport> oh.
[06:31] <alkisg> Since it may be easier for you to find the boot from usb option on the laptop
[06:31] <JTechSupport> I don't know. it's a 10 year old laptop.
[06:31] <alkisg> Try it nevertheless
[06:31] <alkisg> It should work even on 15 year old laptops
[06:32] <JTechSupport> well the desktop is only like a 3 year old motherboard.
[06:35] <JTechSupport> this laptop is dying. is there a better way?
[06:35] <JTechSupport> oh maybe mom's new laptop.
[06:38] <JTechSupport> why is my life so complicated. I don't know the password to the new laptop.
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: did you plugin your usb stick yet?
[06:39] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, at the time, into the desktop PC, yes.
[06:40] <JTechSupport> the one I'm trying to install it on.
[06:41] <JTechSupport> "It is not necessary to erase the USB flash drive, however it is advisable that you do so. " "The bootable partition should be formatted as either a FAT16 or FAT32 filesystem. This is the default for most USB flash drives. "
[06:42] <clintonup> bazhang, still being your fuckin men slut in your motherfuckin faggot land ##chat, did you forget how hard you suck cocks to get the channel? fuckin filthy dog suckin dead rat
[06:43] <stephen101> well..
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> !ops | clintonup
[06:43] <JTechSupport> uhg. I don't think just deleting all the files in a file browser is going to be enough to make usb-creator-gtk work this time.
[06:43] <clintonup> gtfo
[06:43] <clintonup> bazhang, still being your fuckin men slut in your motherfuckin faggot land ##chat, did you forget how hard you suck cocks to get the channel? fuckin filthy dog suckin dead rat
[06:45] <JTechSupport> maybe usb-creator-gtk won't work
[06:45] <JTechSupport> why are there a dozen different ways to do this and so many of them don't work?
[06:45] <JTechSupport> I had the same problem the last time I did this.
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: wich iso did you use on wich ubuntu?
[06:46] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje,  Xubuntu 16.04.3 LTS. I downloaded through the bittorrent.
[06:47] <JTechSupport> I'm currently attempting to create this bootable USB on Xubuntu 15.04
[06:47] <JTechSupport> oh. hrm. I wonder if that's a problem.
[06:48] <stephen101> fairly simple to create a bootable usb using unetbootin linux or rufus in windows from the iso
[06:48] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: the easiest way is to create it using dd
[06:49] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M status=progress && sync
[06:49] <EriC^^> get the name of the usb from "sudo parted -l" and replace /dev/sdX with its name
[06:49] <JTechSupport> oh man. I wish I could remember which methods didn't work from last time. :(
[06:50] <EriC^^> what happens when you try booting them?
[06:50] <alkisg> JTechSupport: the most reliable method is: sudo dd if=/path/to/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M (where sdb is the  stick)
[06:51] <JTechSupport> EriC^^, I don't think it even finds a bootable thing. it's not in the .... list of hard disks?
[06:52] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: did you try a different usb port?
[06:52] <stephen101> alot of times you have to set the usb bootable in bios
[06:53] <JTechSupport> EriC^^, a couple. I'm not sure if the device is USB2 or 3.
[06:53] <stephen101> or press a special f key to get a boot menu depending on device
[06:53] <JTechSupport> it couldn't find it in the bios
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i think he just cant find the right bios settings to boot usb
[06:54] <stephen101> soon as you see bootscreen you press the fkey
[06:54] <alkisg> JTechSupport: it sounds like you made a usb stick that can only boot from bios, and your pc is uefi. Try dd.
[06:54] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: you mean in the run-time boot opions menu? or the actual bios?
[06:54] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: yeh :/
[06:54] <oerheks> again: maybe you need to set it in 2 places, boot priority, and hdd priority
[06:54] <JTechSupport> EriC^^, in whatever this thing is: https://social.microsoft.com/Forums/getfile/2245/
[06:55] <stephen101> almost any pc can boot from usb
[06:55] <JTechSupport> well I need to redo the USB because I deleted the files.
[06:55] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: which pc model is it?
[06:55] <EriC^^> how old is the pc?
[06:55] <stephen101> unless obviously your usb hub is busted lol
[06:55] <JTechSupport> I think 3 year old motherboard. Gigabyte
[06:56] <georgewell> bazhang, still being your fuckin men slut in your motherfuckin faggot land ##chat, did you forget how hard you suck cocks to get the channel? fuckin filthy dog suckin dead rat
[06:56] <JTechSupport> I think I had a headache even before this strain on my brain which has I've been working at for hours.
[06:57] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: when the pc first starts press F12
[06:57] <stephen101> i have a dell 531 which boots usb and ubuntu 16.04, and thats old old.
[06:58] <JTechSupport> F12 instead of DEL?
[06:58] <EriC^^> yes
[06:58] <stephen101> F12 soon as you see boot screen
[06:58] <JTechSupport> I gotta redo the USB stick first though.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: how you know its bad?
[06:59] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: you only have ubuntu 15.04 right now? no windows?
[06:59] <EriC^^> and you're trying to replace it on this pc?
[06:59] <JTechSupport> no Windows.
[07:00] <JTechSupport> no, I'm setting up the USB stick on this laptop that has 15.04, installing 16.04 on a desktop. did I get the version numbers right? the laptop is 1 version older.
[07:00] <stephen101> if you have windows rufus will make a bootable usb from the iso
[07:00] <EriC^^> aha
[07:00] <stephen101> super simple
[07:00] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: single booting the desktop or it has another os?
[07:00] <JTechSupport> single booting.
[07:01] <JTechSupport> new storage devices
[07:01] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: yeah the version numbers are right, you do need to update the laptop though, it's out of date and unsupported currently
[07:01] <stephen101> have a nice night all, i am out.
[07:01]  * stephen101 waves
[07:01] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: anyhow, if you get the boot options menu, press USB UEFI
[07:02] <JTechSupport> I can't deal with the laptop right now . my brain's already melting just trying to get this USB stick bootable.
[07:03] <JTechSupport> for the dd command do I just need the path to the ISO or the full filename?
[07:03] <alkisg> EriC^^: https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/issues/33 ==> unetbootin doesn't support uefi
[07:03] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: both
[07:03] <alkisg> His stick isn't bootable under uefi now
[07:03] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: use tab-completion
[07:04] <EriC^^> type few letters and hit tab and it completes the path and filename
[07:04] <EriC^^> alkisg: we're dd'ing now
[07:04] <JTechSupport> I don't even know what UEFI is
[07:04] <EriC^^> wow unetbootin is lacking though
[07:04] <alkisg> EriC^^: cool, that's what I adviced 10 minutes ago :)
[07:04] <EriC^^> alkisg: same here
[07:05] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: it's like the newer bios
[07:07] <JTechSupport> well, hopefully my fried brain didn't install the ISO to the laptop's partition.
[07:08] <JTechSupport> had to take out status=progress because it didn't work.
[07:08] <jjvvx> one time I accidentally flashed the xubuntu install to the wrong drive
[07:08] <fabbeyana> bazhang, still being your fuckin men slut in your motherfuckin faggot land ##chat, did you forget how hard you suck cocks to get the channel? fuckin filthy dog suckin dead rat
[07:08] <jjvvx> kinda sucked but I mean I had a bootable install SSD
[07:09] <JTechSupport> ... it's still going.
[07:10] <EriC^^> jjvvx: :D
[07:10] <JTechSupport> ah, finally done.
[07:11] <JTechSupport> ... is it normal for me to be unable to open the contents of the USB drive in my file browser, or did it fail?
[07:11] <JTechSupport> input/output error
[07:12] <jjvvx> JTechSupport: is the drive big enough to fit the installer?
[07:12] <JTechSupport> oh. whew. ejecting, unplugging, replugging, fixed that.
[07:13] <jjvvx> oh that solves that
[07:15]  * JTechSupport cries
[07:16] <JTechSupport> F12 didnt list anything
[07:17] <JTechSupport> it failed. nothing listed in disk drive devices. I even tried to boot USB-ZIP and USB-HDD before disk drive
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: to get your usb first boot, you need to plug it in, reboot after you set as primary
[07:18] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, set where?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: in your bios settings...
[07:19] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, is it a disk drive or one of the USB options?
[07:19] <jeffmr> usb
[07:20] <oerheks> did it ever boot from usb, JTechSupport ???
[07:21] <JTechSupport> which usb? usb-zip? usb-hdd? both of them are before "hard disk" and stiull nothing
[07:21] <oerheks> whatever usb device, did it ever boot ?
[07:21] <JTechSupport> oerheks, no nothing works
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: doublecheck every setting in bios
[07:21] <oerheks> then i guess your machine is too old to boot from usb-sticks
[07:21] <JTechSupport> its 3 ears ol;d
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: he's got award bios, this should work
[07:21] <JTechSupport> I did this before
[07:22] <jeffmr> how'd you do it before?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> some usb brands might be not recognized..
[07:22] <Sanjay> hello
[07:22] <JTechSupport> i dont know. through the same hell I'm going through now. lots and lots and lots of failure.
[07:23] <jeffmr> lol
[07:23] <jeffmr> you'll get it
[07:23] <Sanjay> hello
[07:23] <Sanjay> hey
[07:23] <Sanjay> how are u
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: tell us exactly wich category in bios you changed?
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: there are sata settings on there too right?
[07:28] <jeffmr> JTechSupport, you could flash your bios (although you might not need to, still a good thing to do), check that you can open and see files on your usb that you created, go into the bios or boot menu and select the usb device which could have the brand name of the usb drive after the usb selection.
[07:31] <JTechSupport> sorry. was AFK trying to get a cable to plug laptop into bigger monitor. straining my eyes.
[07:32] <JTechSupport> well I can't type well on the laptop while I'm doing stuff on the desktop because I only have one keyboard.
[07:34] <JTechSupport> so I don't know what exactly my BIOS settings were. I tried "hard disk" boot priority 1st. I didn't see any USB device in the "hard disk" listings of F12 or in the BIOS. just my SSD, HDD, and "bootable add-in cards".
[07:34] <JTechSupport> I'm going to try another USB device. but if this doesn't work, dd probably can't make bootable USB for me.
[07:35] <JTechSupport> oh uhm. is there a way to restore deleted files off a USB device that's been written over with an ISO? I think this is the one I accidentally wrote over my mom's wedding photos. :S
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> JTechSupport: that bios should be able to boot usb
[07:36] <JTechSupport> lotuspsychje, but didn't someone else say some USB sticks might not support .... something, being booted?
[07:37] <jeffmr> It may be that your usb stick didn't get made correctly and/or made bootable.
[07:37] <JTechSupport> I never verified what file system was on it.
[07:37] <jeffmr> don't think so on the other question.
[07:38] <jeffmr> I wasn't here in the beginning.  What are you trying to make?
[07:38] <JTechSupport> is there a danger in attempting to restore files and failing, that a different program might be more successful at?
[07:39] <oerheks> overwriting with an iso? low chance there are photos left on the empty space ...
[07:39] <oerheks> !undelete
[07:39] <JTechSupport> I'm guessing I can't just copy the device data in order to attempt file restoration through multiple programs, right? is it a hardware technique or purely software?
[07:39] <JTechSupport> ah, thanks.
[07:40] <jeffmr> There are also data recovery places that can sometimes recover things.  They can be expensive though and there is no guarantee they will be able to.
[07:42] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: are you trying to recover files from the usb you copied the iso to?
[07:42] <JTechSupport> yeah. I found another folder with a similar name but I can't be sure they're the same files. probably not worth the cost of a professional.
[07:42] <JTechSupport> EriC^^, yeah. but this was an Ubuntu installation I made 3 years ago and left the device so I wouldn't make it worse. in case I could do something about it later.
[07:43] <JTechSupport> installation ISO on USB stick.
[07:43] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: why did you copy the iso to it? you know that overwrites data right?
[07:43] <JTechSupport> I stupidly backed up the files off the USB stick onto the partition that I ended up wiping with the new installation that I created off the USB stick.
[07:44] <JTechSupport> EriC^^, it was a mistake.
[07:44] <JTechSupport> woof. maybe it's break time. I think I've been at this for over 4 or 5 hours.
[07:46] <EriC^^> JTechSupport: the iso would have overwritten the first 1.4gb or so of the disk, if the partition/filesystem was after that space then it wouldn't have touched it, if not you'll have to get the files using photorec or a similar program that looks for individual files to recover
[07:50] <JTechSupport> it wasn't partitioned.
[07:51] <EriC^^> !datarecovery | JTechSupport
[07:51] <EriC^^> !recover | JTechSupport look into photorec that's included in the testdisk package
[08:10] <poutine> Is there any further explanation on why the ubuntu pastebin doesn't allow PHP or web scripts, yet still allows them to be selected in the syntax dropdown?
[08:11] <EriC^^> poutine: what do you mean by doesn't allow them? you want them to be executed on the server?
[08:12] <poutine> EriC^^, when you post it, it refuses it, and says "    PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed"
[08:12] <EriC^^> poutine: hmm can you give a sample of what you're pasting? i've used it before for php pastes without a problem
[08:12] <tatertots> or you need to show the PHP or web scripts to someone more experienced to aid in "debug" or troubleshooting since the scripts do not have the 'expected' results???
[08:12] <oerheks> I guess it is policy not to serve hackers ...
[08:13] <EriC^^> poutine: ah i see what you mean
[08:13] <poutine> https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Steps to reproduce: 1) Enter Scuba Steve for 'Poster' 2) Select Syntax PHP (Probably optional) 3) Put <?php in Content, submit
[08:13] <oerheks> other pastebins allow that, paste.ubuntu.com not
[08:13] <poutine> oerheks, but why?
[08:13] <funabashi> hi guys how can i see all the tools i have installed with apt-get ?
[08:14] <EriC^^> poutine: if you prepend something it let's it paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/26370700/ dunno why it's like that
[08:14] <oerheks> apt list --installed
[08:14] <poutine> I'd understand if it were some MS specific language, but seems rather silly to exclude a large portion of open source programmers
[08:14] <poutine> unless this was a poorly designed security system
[08:15] <oerheks> you need to login to show this > https://paste.ubuntu.com/26370700/plain/
[08:15] <tatertots> who or what "entity" is doing this "excluding"???
[08:15] <tatertots> and why?
[08:15] <EriC^^> oerheks: try without the /plain/
[08:16] <tatertots> nvm i don't even want to understand anymore
[08:17] <alexsk> what???
[08:19] <isnnn> does anyone know when the Ubuntu 17.10 download will be available?
[08:22] <funabashi> oerheks: apt list --installed that list all the tools which are installed
[08:22] <funabashi> i want to list the all stuff i have installed by my self
[08:23] <alexsk> oh
[08:24] <EriC^^> funabashi: this gets you close to it, parsing /var/log/apt/history.log* might give you everything comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> !lenovobug | isnnn
[08:27] <dax> isnnn: they're up on http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/ ( or for flavors http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/17.10.1/release/ etc.), the website just isn't updated yet
[08:28] <isnnn> thanks :)
[08:29] <funabashi> EriC^^: your commands begins where ?
[08:29] <dax> funabashi: "comm" is the first word of it
[08:29] <EriC^^> ^
[08:29] <funabashi> ok comm is new for me
[08:30] <EriC^^> are any files executed by default on ubuntu in the home dir that aren't hidden?
[08:30] <funabashi> nice thanks EriC^^
[08:31] <EriC^^> no problem
[08:31] <EriC^^> if a pc was compromised, and i copied the home dir, but removed all dot files and put it in a new install, that'd be safe, right?
[08:32] <alexsk> lxde
[08:33] <hateball> you could potentially put malicious code in any type of file really, PDF, jpgs, etc
[08:33] <JTechSupport> ohhhh. I'm finding odd errors in gparted on old USB sticks I attempted to load Xubuntu installers onto. search results are mentioning dd using different bs= values. I noticed two people gave me commands to run with different bs= values. one was 1M and the other was 4M
[08:33] <hateball> EriC^^: ^^
[08:34] <alkisg> JTechSupport: the .iso doesn't have a proper partition table, in order to be able to boot in uefi, mbr, as iso etc. That's why gparted shows errors. I.e. there's no error, it's by design.
[08:35] <alexsk> ???
[08:35] <EriC^^> hateball: yeah, nothing else gets executed automatically on logging on though right?
[08:35] <JTechSupport> so my dd command on my USB stick has no effect on whether it will boot up?
[08:36] <alkisg> JTechSupport: dd creates the stick correctly regardless of if you use bs=4M or 1M
[08:36] <JTechSupport> oh.
[08:36] <tomreyn> EriC^^: you need to review every single file you copy from a compromised system to a non-compromised one.if you just want to copy the data for now to be able to shut down the compromised system, create a tarball with an obvious tag such as 'compromised' instead of copying single files
[08:38] <alkisg> Review, how? How would one know if a .jpg now contains additional code that triggers an vulnerability in a decoder? :)
[08:38] <alkisg> Removing all dot files (including .config/dconf) sounds good enough for me...
[08:38] <tomreyn> (but yes, my expectation would be that nothing but dotfiles and files in PATH locations would get executed or interpreted automatically).
[08:38] <tomreyn> EriC^^: ^
[08:38] <alkisg> Maybe running an antivirus too, but not manually
[08:39] <EriC^^> alright thanks tomreyn and hateball
[08:39] <tomreyn> alkisg: right, reviewing binary files is difficult. A/V might help (and might now).
[08:39] <tomreyn> *noT
[08:39] <alkisg> I keep an md5sum of all my files just for that case
[08:40] <EriC^^> that's pretty neat
[08:40] <alkisg> So that after some POSSIBLE data loss, I'll be able to see the extend of the damage
[08:40] <tomreyn> others use git
[08:40] <alkisg> Unfortunately I don't have a git server that can host 1 TB
[08:41] <JTechSupport> god I don't want to do this any more. I don't think my break was long enough. how do I format this old Xubuntu installation USB so I can put the new one on? Why does Xubuntu's support page not have that? it only has info for upgrading or coming from Windows.
[08:44] <Kubuntu_user> Hi, I have install ubuntu 16.04 on external hard drive it works fine on my laptop which has UEFI, but when I want run it on my old computer it does not work because the BIOS does not support UEFI. Is there any solution?
[08:44] <Kubuntu_user> Hi, I have installed ubuntu 16.04 on external hard drive it works fine on my laptop which has UEFI, but when I want run it on my old computer it does not work because the BIOS does not support UEFI. Is there any solution?
[08:45] <alkisg> JTechSupport: I don't have much time, but I can help you via remote support (vnc) if you want
[08:45] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: yes, you can add a bios_grub partition so it boots on bios as well
[08:45] <alkisg> Kubuntu_user: it's possible to create a disk that boots from both uefi and bios, yes
[08:46] <alkisg> What EriC^^ said, but you'll also need to install grub-pc on it
[08:46] <JTechSupport> alkisg, I don't know what that is. thanks anyway.
[08:46] <alkisg> JTechSupport: it's a command that I will give you to share your screen with me, kind of like teamviewer
[08:47] <JTechSupport> alkisg, I'm wary of that kind of thing.
[08:47] <alkisg> ok, np
[08:48]  * alkisg does it daily for 1000+ schools so it's hard to remember that it may seem weird to people that use it for the first time
[08:49] <JTechSupport> I just don't know enough about how it's done here to ensure that it's just viewing as opposed to full remote control.
[08:49] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ How? , Can you help with link or video ?
[08:49] <alkisg> It's full remote control, which you can stop at any time with ctrl+c
[08:50] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: are you booted into the install the right on the uefi machine?
[08:50] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ yes
[08:51] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999'
[08:51] <EriC^^> paste the link it gives you here
[08:51] <Kubuntu_user> where in terimnal ?
[08:51] <EriC^^> yes
[08:53] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ What it does , and what is termbin.com?
[08:53] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: it shows the disks and partitions, termbin is a nc based pastebin
[08:53] <EriC^^> it just sends the output of the command to termbin.com and gives you a link back
[08:55] <anddam> I just added mercurial ppa release https://launchpad.net/~mercurial-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/releases and then updated
[08:55] <anddam> but trying to upgrade xenial's mercurial  3.7.3 yields    mercurial is already the newest version (3.7.3-1ubuntu1)
[08:56] <anddam> do I need to remove and then install again or is there a way to tell apt "fetch the most up-to-date version"?
[08:57] <anddam> nvm, my bad
[08:57] <anddam> I wasn't properly adding the PPA
[08:57] <JTechSupport> why is gparted being so tempermental? it keeps throwing errors all over the place when I'm trying to format this old USB stick with Xubuntu installation on it.
[08:58] <JTechSupport> it always tells me I should reboot
[08:58] <JTechSupport> I tried to write a new partition. gparted shows unallocated. but my file browser shows the old files.
[08:58] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ this the output of sudo parted -l >>> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26370840/
[09:01] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: you can delete the swap partition, make it 2mb smaller for bios_grub partition
[09:02] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'sudo swapoff /dev/sdb3'
[09:02] <JTechSupport> "You can use Disks it's installed by default and easy to use." apparently not in Xubuntu
[09:03] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ ok , but if I delete EFI System Partition will not be better ?
[09:04] <JTechSupport> d-do I want "disks" or do I want something else? why is every single step in this process requiring research? what if the answer is too old and oudated?
[09:04] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: it wont boot on uefi anymore, you can have both if you want
[09:04] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[09:04] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: actually ok sure, we can recreate the efi partition and everything
[09:04] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'sudo umount /boot/efi'
[09:05] <jpe_> Anyone know why I haeve so much trouble with bluetooth a2dp with internal bluetooth device? Basically I have to restart the bluetooth daemon and pulse audio a few times and disconnect and reconnect to the headset before it will finally show that a2dp is available and play aduio through it.
[09:05] <JTechSupport> OH. GOOD. ANOTHER program I install but can't run! maybe "sudo disks" on the command prompt!
[09:05] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ ok , done. then ?
[09:05] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: sudo cgdisk /dev/sdb
[09:06] <JTechSupport> disks command not found! OF COURSE NOT
[09:06] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: delete the efi partition, create a 2mb partition with hex code ef02  and recreate the efi partition with the hex code ef00
[09:06] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[09:07] <JTechSupport> how the hell can I delete the partition and still read all the files on the old partition?
[09:07] <ylwghst> Hello,
[09:07] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ Can I do the same with Gparted or kde partition manager ?
[09:07] <alkisg> JTechSupport: (a) if you didn't unmount it while partitioning, or (b) if the stick is broken, worn out
[09:08] <ylwghst> can run xbacklight using acpid from /etc/acpi/brightness-down.sh
[09:08] <ylwghst> can i run?
[09:08] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: sure
[09:08] <EriC^^> ylwghst: where did you get that script from?
[09:08] <JTechSupport> alkisg, I did unmount it. I think it remounted in the middle of me trying to create a new partition.
[09:08] <EriC^^> !find brightness-down
[09:08] <alkisg> JTechSupport: that could cause it then.
[09:08] <alkisg> JTechSupport: gparted usually puts locks to avoid such things
[09:08] <ylwghst> EriC^^: i created
[09:09] <ylwghst> EriC^^: its just
[09:09] <ylwghst> #!/bin/sh
[09:09] <ylwghst> xbacklight -dec 10
[09:09] <JTechSupport> what do I do?
[09:09] <ylwghst> bt it doesnt work actually :/
[09:09] <alkisg> JTechSupport: sorry, I think your case will need a lot of time to pinpoint the issues; maybe someone else can answer; I could only answer that small part.
[09:09] <EriC^^> ylwghst: what happens when you type /etc/acpi//brightness-down.sh ?
[09:10] <ylwghst> event triggers the script but xbacklight utility doesnt work
[09:10] <ylwghst> EriC^^: what do you mean?
[09:10] <EriC^^> does xbacklight -dec 10 work by itself?
[09:10] <JTechSupport> I want to die. I'm struggling just to format a USB stick to install an installation ISO to install the OS... all to go back to my pathetic escapist virtual life that wasn't even enjoyable. I have nothing.
[09:10] <EriC^^> i mean what error does it give?
[09:10] <ylwghst> EriC^^: yep
[09:10] <ylwghst> no error
[09:11] <ylwghst> xbacklight works but not triggered by acpid from that script
[09:12] <ylwghst> runing it by /etc/acpi//brightness-down.sh
[09:12] <EriC^^> try typing 'sh' then type xbacklight -dec 10
[09:12] <ylwghst> does work..
[09:13] <EriC^^> try #!/bin/bash -x instead of #!/bin/sh
[09:15] <JTechSupport> why can't I check if my USB stick is bootable through software instead of trying to boot from it and not knowing why it's not booting?
[09:15] <ylwghst> #!/bin/bash -x
[09:15] <ylwghst> /usr/bin/xbacklight -dec 10
[09:15] <ylwghst> echo 'triggered' >> /home/augustin/triggered
[09:15] <c06> hi all
[09:15] <ylwghst> echo works.. xbacklight not
[09:15] <ylwghst> when triggered by acpid
[09:16] <EriC^^> oh ok
[09:16] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ sorry but in kde partition manager where I can the put hex code ?
[09:16] <c06> facing error randomly and facing broken pipe issue https://paste.linux.community/view/df46570b
[09:16] <c06> i am using ubuntu 16.04 server
[09:16] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: not sure, it might be called 'bios_boot' partition and efi is 'efi or esp'
[09:17] <sera_denoir> Running ubuntu server 17.10 headless, and just got a warning today that /home (a 322 gb part) has under a meg of free space, ran du -h --max-depth=1 on the partition to try to identify where the leak is, and it's reporting that only 40gb is in use
[09:18] <ylwghst> EriC^^: sh /usr/bin/xbacklight -dec 10
[09:18] <alkisg> sera_denoir: a deleted file shows up in df but not in du; lsof or reboot may help
[09:18] <ylwghst> Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
[09:19] <alkisg> JTechSupport: kvm -m 1024 /dev/sdb ==> can boot the stick in a virtual machine that is called "kvm"; you may need to install it
[09:19] <alkisg> sera_denoir: sorry I meant "deleted file that is still in use by some application"
[09:20] <hanabishi> hello guy, i can't update what happend??
[09:20] <EriC^^> !details | hanabishi
[09:21] <sera_denoir> alkisg: i'll try the reboot first for expediency sake since i don't know how to properly use lsof
[09:21] <JTechSupport> why can't I make a bootable USB installation?
[09:21] <alkisg> sera_denoir: yup, it's the easiest thing to do
[09:21] <sera_denoir> just get a bit freaked out when 280gb of ssd space goes poof =P
[09:21] <c06> how to resolve the ssh key error automatically connection is getting closed
[09:22] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ I will create a partition with 50 mb rather than 2 mb, Is it ok ? I think yes , I'm using sudo cgdisk /dev/sdb rather than kde partition manager.
[09:22] <alkisg> sera_denoir: wait
[09:22] <alkisg> max-depth 1?
[09:22] <hanabishi> i'm get update and will upgrade but when nearly finish is error kismet
[09:22] <alkisg> That would limit it and not go to subdirectories
[09:22] <ylwghst> and here they are use it http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/LCD_Brightness
[09:22] <ylwghst> :/
[09:22] <ylwghst> strange
[09:22] <hanabishi> can some one help me?
[09:22] <JTech> I don't get updating. I click on the updater and it says everything's updated but it's still 1 version of Xubuntu behind the released one.
[09:22] <sera_denoir> alkisg: i tried to go down through subdirectories too and wasn't seeing anything
[09:23] <alkisg> sera_denoir: what's the output of `sudo du -sh /home` ?
[09:23] <sera_denoir> alkisg: might be a bit late to ask.  After reboot df shows usage now at 14%
[09:23] <hanabishi> oh okey i found it thank, i will autodelete dkismet and create new account
[09:24] <sera_denoir> alkisg: and it says '42GB /home'
[09:24] <alkisg> sera_denoir: and `df -h | grep home` ?
[09:25] <hanabishi> hello
[09:25] <sera_denoir> alkisg: 309gb total, 42 in use, 252 free
[09:25] <alkisg> sera_denoir: well, that matches then, 42 in use
[09:25] <sera_denoir> alkisg: not sure why the reboot put it from 40 to 42, but maybe there was journaling stuff that wasn't processing right or something
[09:26] <JTech> I want to eat cake but I'm sick and that'll make it worse.
[09:26] <sera_denoir> JTech: That's okay, it's a lie anyway =P
[09:26] <sera_denoir> feel better though
[09:27] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ I have createted a partition 50 mb with hex code ef02 , Should I give it a specific name ?
[09:27] <JTech> I wish I could take well-wishes remotely from the internet. actually I guess it's not much easier in person.
[09:28] <sera_denoir> alkisg: thanks for giving me the easy fix.  At least I could learn the difference between df and du from you at least (note to self, reboot first next time x.x)
[09:28] <alkisg> np
[09:30] <ylwghst> EriC^^: it does look like problem with environemnt
[09:30] <ylwghst> propably the script isnt triggered as USER
[09:31] <JTech> well I don't know if this is reliable but I found this qemu thing and tried "qemu-system-x86_64 -hda /dev/sdb" and got "could not open disk image /dev/sdb: Could not open '/dev/sdb': No such file or directory"
[09:31] <JTech> .... wait, that doesn't sound like it can't find a disk image. that sounds like it can't find the USB device.
[09:31] <cpaelzer> JTech: is /dev/sdb even existing?
[09:31] <cpaelzer> ls -laF /dev/sdb ?
[09:32] <ylwghst> yeah
[09:32] <ylwghst> EriC^^:
[09:32] <ylwghst> DISPLAY=:0.0 su augustin -c "/usr/bin/xbacklight -dec 10"
[09:32] <ylwghst> this does work
[09:32] <cpaelzer> JTech: also be careful
[09:32] <cpaelzer> if sdb is anything mounted it could mount it again from the guest
[09:32] <cpaelzer> which likely cuases FS corruption
[09:33] <JTech> ls -laF /dev/sdb
[09:33] <JTech> ls: cannot access /dev/sdb: No such file or directory
[09:33] <JTech> I don't understasnd. my file browser is on it right now. I can even open the files.
[09:34] <Ben64> open what files
[09:34] <JTech> the files on the USB stick
[09:34] <Ben64> but there wouldn't be files in /dev/sdb
[09:35] <JTech> oh wait maybe it's /dev/sdc ?? using sudo parted -l is throwing up lots of errors, the same ones gparted gave.
[09:35] <Ben64> use 'mount' to see what partitions are mounted where
[09:35] <Ben64> and do not try to do anything to a mounted device, like cpaelzer mentioned
[09:36] <JTech> hrm. .... qemu-system-x86_64 -hda /dev/sdc resulted in: qemu-system-x86_64: -hda /dev/sdc: could not open disk image /dev/sdc: Could not open '/dev/sdc': Permission denied
[09:37] <JTech> uh oh. I think I might have already done what he said.
[09:37] <JTech> I don't know. right now I'm just throwing shit up against the wall.
[09:37] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ I have createted a partition 50 mb with hex code ef02 , Should I give it a specific name ? and then what
[09:37] <Ben64> JTech: you should explain what you're trying to do
[09:38] <JTech> Ben64, I'm trying to make a Xubuntu installation on a USB stick.
[09:38] <JTech> I mean a Xubuntu installer.
[09:39] <Ben64> uh... you don't need to do anything that complicated
[09:39] <Ben64> dd the iso to the usb drive
[09:39] <JTech> Ben64, I did that. it won't boot.
[09:39] <JTech> I can't even detect it.
[09:39] <JTech> in the bios.
[09:39] <Ben64> maybe the computer can't boot from that usb then
[09:40] <Ben64> or you got a bad iso
[09:40] <Ben64> or bad usb
[09:40] <JTech> I have no idea where I'm going wrong. I don't know how to tell if my USB stick is incabpable of being booted. I have no idea how to tell if the ISO installed properly to id. I have no idea how to tell if my BIOS is set up to boot from it. no idea of anything.
[09:40] <Ben64> !md5sum
[09:40] <Ben64> start there
[09:40] <JTech> yeah. well 6 hours later and I still can't do this one thing.
[09:41] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: no need
[09:41] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: create the efi partition
[09:41] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[09:41] <eitch> hi guys, just a quick question on Spectre and Meltdown: I use the kernels from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ . Is there a way i can test that the KPTI patches are enabled on those kernels?
[09:42] <Ben64> eitch: dmesg | grep -i isolat
[09:43] <Ben64> maybe
[09:43] <JTech> hm... where do I get the checksum for Xubuntu?
[09:43] <JTech> oh wait
[09:43] <Azlux> Hi, is someone here manage the ubuntu help page ? (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo)
[09:43] <JTech> hm. doesn't match.
[09:44] <Ben64> Azlux: whats the problem
[09:44] <JTech> WOW BITTORRENT IS SO GREAT I got a defective ISO through it!
[09:45] <JTech> well then... back to the drawing board. let's try a direct download.... see you all in 15 minutes.
[09:45] <sebsebsebb> hi I am having problems trying to boot up properly any of the Ubuntu 16.04.3 USB's I have made.  I get Grub but that's it, it won't boot up into try ubuntu or anything else.  one burn went wrong or two, but the ones that are good everthing on the usb, same problem.  its a bit odd since well this lap top ran Linux distros no problem in past.  I suspsect a issue with the iso maybe.  not my new motherboard and hard disk
[09:45] <sebsebsebb> could be the specific ubuntu version. the point 3
[09:46] <Azlux> Ben64: the doc use the RELATED state
[09:46] <sebsebsebb> not tried anything else yet,  later versions, etc. since not many free usb's
[09:46] <Azlux> this is a security breach
[09:46] <Azlux> if not used with specific conntrack
[09:46] <eitch> @Ben64, hmm... after a reboot that doesn't show anything. I'm using a Ryzen CPU, could that be a reason?
[09:46] <JTech> ... bleh. I got it wrong. I was looking at the wrong md5sum. ... ok, the ISO did download correctly.
[09:46] <Ben64> eitch: mine doesn't show anything either, maybe
[09:47] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ Ok , I did it , what next .
[09:47] <eitch> @Ben64, which kernel are you using?
[09:47] <Ben64> 4.13.0-25-generic
[09:48] <eitch> ok, thanks
[09:48] <JTech> Ben64, sorry to be so messy. MD5checksum is correct. Do you know what I can check next?
[09:49] <Ben64> try booting it on another computer
[09:49] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ Could you give me all steps in a link ?
[09:49] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: i dont have one
[09:50] <Kubuntu_user> ok , I have created to partition , what next ?
[09:50] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ ok , I have created to partition , what next ?
[09:51] <Azlux> Ben64: I have a doc in french (not translated sorry https://gist.github.com/azlux/6a70bd38bb7c525ab26efe7e3a7ea8ac ) but this github explain that also https://github.com/rtsisyk/linux-iptables-contrack-exploit
[09:51] <Kubuntu_user> ?
[09:52] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'sudo parted -l' and paste the results
[09:52] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[09:54] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ >>> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26371017/
[09:55] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1' just so it erases the fat32 one so the pc doesn't get confused
[09:56] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: then type 'sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sdb4'
[09:56] <Ben64> Azlux: but is it a problem on any supported version of ubuntu?
[09:57] <Azlux> it is a problem if all conntrack modules are load by default
[09:57] <Azlux> RELATED is useless if you don't use FTP
[09:58] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: one test is to try the sticks in another pc, and once you see that this is working, try removing quiet splash from the grub/syslinux menu, to see where it errors
[09:58] <Azlux> and not only for ubunutu, a lot of people use your doc, and a lot of OS like ubuntu load all conntrack modules
[09:58] <JTech> Ben64, it doesn't boot on the other computer. at least on the other computer it seems to detect that there's a USB-HDD device to boot from but on the desktop I'm attempting to install it on I get nothing.
[09:59] <JTech> so maybe the USB stick can't boot. but I can't reformat this other larger USB stick to try that one instead. It's screwing up.
[09:59] <Ben64> JTech: you may need to get to the boot menu or otherwise tell it to boot
[09:59] <Ben64> Azlux: so file a bug report if it isn't working properly
[09:59] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: yeah nearlly tried on my mini pc that has a usb, but uncharged,  and the cable is uhmm.   thing is it basically only shows grub when it loads up,  with the like try ubuntu options or install ubuntu option and that, but when I go onto any of the options inclduing check  for defects,  it just stays well black or whatever on the screen, nothing boots up properly on it, or not that I can see anyway
[09:59] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ I get this " /dev/sdb4: No such file or directory " after sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sdb4
[09:59] <alkisg> JTech: my assumption is, your desktop ignores your stick because it's still formatted for bios only, because dd never worked, because it's worn out, a bad stick
[10:00] <JTech> Ben64, I hit F12 and it listed USB-HDD which is why it looked like it actually detected it unlike my blank desktop PC
[10:00] <JTech> alkisg, what? worn out? I can read the files in a file browser but can't boot from it?
[10:00] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: well if it doesn't boot elsewhere either, it's not created properly, recreate it
[10:00] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: try 'sudo partprobe /dev/sdb' then 'lsblk' and paste the results
[10:00] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: I edid re crate it
[10:01] <alkisg> JTech: you previously said you cannot format it any more. Being able to read but not write is very very common to bad sticks.
[10:01] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: I had issues with my oringal toshiba usb's  like I am saying, so I made new with san disk usb's, but same issues
[10:01] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: and which tool are you using to create it?
[10:01] <JTech> alkisg, no that's a different USB stick I can't format. a larger one.
[10:01] <alkisg> JTech: in general, "not able to format" => bad stick
[10:01] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: I know that etcher didn't even burn right.   but unetbootin has by the looks of everything, but that won't boot it up prpoerly, the ones I have made with unetbootin.
[10:02] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: unetbootin doesn't support uefi
[10:02] <alkisg> Use rufus or dd
[10:02] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: oh does it not oh
[10:02] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: ah ha
[10:02] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ maybe I need mount /dev/sdb4 before I do sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sdb4 , What do you think?
[10:02] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: yeah I haven't hade to set anything up from ISO's for lots of  months
[10:03] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: so I would have forgottin if I even knew that
[10:03] <JTech> alkisg, ... well the larger one I can't format is write-protected. Is that normal or is that clear it's broken?
[10:03] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: no, run the commands from above
[10:03] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: try 'sudo partprobe /dev/sdb' then 'lsblk' and paste the results
[10:03] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[10:04] <JTech> I mean... why is the smaller stick not booting either? am I just cursed in that the smaller one is incapable of booting and the larger one is dead?
[10:04] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: also ah yes refus is the other one, that's meant to be good indeed, that slipped my mind completly,  proves I haven't been dooeing this stuff for ages. why does unetbootin not support uefi
[10:04] <JTech> do Xubuntu installer ISOs make USB devices read-only?
[10:05] <Ben64> no
[10:05] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: probably because the developer didn't have motivation for it. :) https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/issues/33
[10:05] <oerheks> the iso on usb is read only, yes
[10:05] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: will refus also format it start over neicely, with a otherwise used usb? i mean the four I have, that I been trying to use for this, all now have something on them so.  and I am stuck on windows at the moment, and looks like formatting  didn't even give me the right size as in big enough for the usbs in the format options uh
[10:05] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ >>> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26371046/
[10:06] <alkisg> JTech: you should be able to use the smaller one with dd, yeah, did you see any errors while doing that?
[10:06] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: yes I think it can also format the sticks; try it I don't ever use such boot methods anyway
[10:06] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: windows when I looked before,  woudn't quite format the usbs to the right size, or something stupid, in its options
[10:06] <JTech> alkisg, errors with gparted?
[10:06] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ok, type 'sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sdb4'
[10:07] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: what do you use ?  or just dd in lnux   or something you mean
[10:07] <alkisg> JTech: errors while dd'ing the stick or in dmesg or in gparted or in general, that would mean that the stick is not created properly
[10:07] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ I got this >>> mkfs.fat 3.0.28 (2015-05-16)
[10:07] <JTech> alkisg, hm. yeah. gparted giving errors about physical block size being different.
[10:07] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: I have my own method where I just drop .iso's in my usb stick and I have grub there and it boots them directly from the .iso. Ignore it :)
[10:07] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ok, type 'sudo blkid /dev/sdb*' and paste the results
[10:08] <JTech> alkisg, but someone told me it was normal for the ISO to be doing it's own thing or something.
[10:08] <alkisg> JTech: that would be me.
[10:08] <JTech> "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes."
[10:08] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: I need to escape windows :D
[10:08] <alkisg> JTech: that's not important. You didn't see any other errors at all while creating the stick?
[10:08] <Azlux> Ben64: where can a open a ticket for "bug" ? (even if it's not really a but, but a bad conf)
[10:08] <JTech> "Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sdb have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use.  As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use.  You should reboot now before making further changes."
[10:08] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: every time I ues it, I remember how awful it is :d
[10:09] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: rufus
[10:09] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ >>> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26371060/
[10:09] <Azlux> bug *
[10:09] <JTech> alkisg, not after running dd, no.
[10:09] <alkisg> JTech: for example, I believe you're trying to dd and/or use gparted while the stick is in use
[10:09] <alkisg> JTech: thus, it's always broken
[10:09] <sebsebsebb> alkisg:  yeah refus
[10:09] <sebsebsebb> thanks :)
[10:09] <alkisg> np
[10:09] <sebsebsebb> and stupid unetbootin developer for not supporting uefi but ah well
[10:10] <alkisg> sebsebsebb: eh, we say "thanks developer for what you did so far"
[10:10] <sebsebsebb> and etcher for ot burning the sticks right too
[10:10] <alkisg> not "stupid because you're not continuing it"
[10:10] <sebsebsebb> not
[10:10] <alkisg> It's free. Don't blame someone for not giving you a SECOND free beer :D
[10:10] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: acgaully that's a point, is it dead software really now, I mean it used to be quite popular, hence that one coming to mind
[10:10] <JTech> alkisg, so do I need to run a command to unmount it before I dd?
[10:11] <sebsebsebb> and I had used it in the past a few times
[10:11] <Ben64> Azlux: if iptables isn't working properly, then that would be a bug
[10:11] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'sudo nano /etc/fstab' and replace the UUID=...... /boot/efi , replace the UUID with the new one  so its UUID=8CBE-EBB8
[10:11] <alkisg> JTech: possibly, but as I said, giving instructions over irc may need over 3 hours in your case, while vnc would take 3 minutes, so I'll let someone else give you details instructions there; I only gave a hypothesis
[10:11] <alkisg> *detailed
[10:11] <Azlux> Ben64: it's not a bug, your doc use iptables the bad way, this make a security issue
[10:12] <akik> JTech: yes you need to umount all partitions that you had mounted off the usb stick before using dd
[10:12] <Ben64> Azlux: that doesn't even make sense
[10:14] <Azlux> Here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo, you have this line. "-A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" you need to remove the word RELATED because you use a conntrack module without configure it. so you make a security break
[10:15] <suresh_> hi guys everytime i am booting linux i am getting gnu grub
[10:15] <sebsebsebb> suresh_: yes
[10:15] <sebsebsebb> suresh_: your meant to get grub
[10:15] <suresh_> i can only run when i go to advanced options and then select recovery
[10:15] <sebsebsebb> suresh_:  advanced options in grub ?
[10:16] <suresh_> yes
[10:16] <sebsebsebb> suresh_: is that from an install ?
[10:16] <sebsebsebb> not live media
[10:16] <Ben64> Azlux: it's an example
[10:16] <alkisg> suresh_: does it boot if you select a previous grub version?
[10:16] <suresh_> i am a novice
[10:16] <sebsebsebb> suresh_: when do you get grub ?  exactly
[10:16] <sebsebsebb> and
[10:16] <sebsebsebb> which version of ubuntu
[10:16] <suresh_> right when i turn on computer
[10:17] <sebsebsebb> suresh_: is that also from one put on a computer, or from the live dvd/usb ?
[10:17] <suresh_> linux mint cinnamon
[10:17] <suresh_> yes the one put on a computer
[10:17] <alkisg> !mint
[10:17] <suresh_> thank you
[10:17] <sebsebsebb> suresh_: Grub should come up,  technically mint support is meant to be on there little network or else where, even though so based on ubuntu.  however.  could be a bad kernel. or something,  so stuck having to go through some advanced options thing
[10:18] <JTech> do I really need to go through a dozen steps to unmount a USB device? https://askubuntu.com/questions/859787/how-to-unmount-and-mount-pen-drive-in-ubuntu-via-command-line
[10:19] <oerheks> JTech, just use disks tool, to write the iso, you would have done it by now
[10:19] <JTech> oerheks, don't I still need to unmount before I use a tool like disks?
[10:20] <JTech> oerheks, oh right. I installed disks. and can't run it. disks: command not found.
[10:20] <oerheks> yes, there is a button to do that
[10:20] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ?
[10:20] <Kubuntu_user> I have problem now , I ended the trimnal by force to edit the file with kate rather than nano but I got problem now I can't open any program or file , I will log out then return .
[10:20] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ok
[10:20] <EriC^^> just dont restart
[10:22] <JTech> oerheks, how do I use disks? the link to their website through the software center doesn't look like it offers documentation on how to use it.
[10:23] <JTech> hm. I even installed gnome-disk-utility. can't run that either.
[10:24] <alkisg> JTech: you run it from the menus. If you want console, the command is gnome-disks, not "disks"
[10:24] <JTech> alkisg, thanks. I wish that info was easy to find.
[10:25] <alkisg> JTech: menus should be very easy to find
[10:25] <oerheks> JTech, or other option, use the filemanager and press the eject button next to your usb device, easy peasy
[10:25] <alkisg> oerheks: that will remove the device node
[10:25] <JTech> alkisg, it's not in the Xubuntu menus.
[10:25] <alkisg> JTech: file a bug report in xubuntu if it's not, it sounds like a very serious issue
[10:26] <oerheks> alkisg, huh? it stays there...
[10:26] <alkisg> Maybe xubuntu needs logoff/logon to show new programs in menus?
[10:26] <alkisg> oerheks: which version/de are you trying on?
[10:27] <JTech> ... huh. when I eject the USB stick through the file browser, gnome-disks now shows it as having no media. it's like it's blank.
[10:27] <oerheks> LoLz
[10:28] <JTech> maybe that's not what I should do.
[10:28] <Kubuntu_user> Eric^^ Ok , sorry Could you rewrite the last command , and should I keep the partitions in mount or not?
[10:28] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'sudo nano /etc/fstab' and replace the UUID=...... /boot/efi , replace the UUID with the new one  so its UUID=8CBE-EBB8
[10:28] <JTech> wait, what am I doing?
[10:28] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[10:28] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: no, dont mount anything yet
[10:28] <Azlux> Ben64: I'm not sure you understand well the problem
[10:28] <MonoMonkey> stupid question: I just updated a machine with LTS 16.04.3 via dist-upgrade and I received linux-image-4.13.0-26-generic. Now I wanted to check if that fixes meltdown / spectre, so I went to https://packages.ubuntu.com and searched for that package... but it isn't even listed there?
[10:29] <MonoMonkey> where can I find information about this package?
[10:29] <oerheks> !kpti
[10:30] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[10:32] <JTech> am I using disks to put the ISO on the USB device? "restore disk image"?
[10:32] <Ben64> Azlux: well you haven't explained it at all
[10:34] <Kubuntu_user> Eric^^ Ok, I did that.
[10:35] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ok, type 'sudo mount /boot/efi'
[10:36] <JTech> maybe next time I should preface my request for help with "I'm retarded. How can I do this as easily as possible?" and then people will tell me to use "disks". {I mean, I still would have had to ask how to run it}
[10:36] <JTech> oh man I hope this magically solves my problem. I'm really ready for one of these pieces of shit I'm throwing against the wall to stick.
[10:38] <tanja84dk> does anyone know where I can find info about security patches for ubuntu?
[10:39] <oerheks> tanja84dk, good start, https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/
[10:39] <tanja84dk> oerheks, Thanks because I will keep an eye on when meltdown will be patched
[10:40] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[10:40] <oerheks> !kpti
[10:41] <oerheks> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/12/meltdown-and-spectre-status-update/
[10:42] <sebsebsebb> alkisg: I asked earlier if refus could format usb stick, so I did a google for that just now, and well guess what refus actually stands for :d  well there's the answer h eh
[10:42] <oerheks> for those who ask when the new iso' s arrive: http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/
[10:42] <tanja84dk> this is weird the website says the patch is released but when I check for update then it says everything is uptodate, and when I run a tester for if I'm volnable then its sayind that I'm volnable
[10:42] <akik> sebsebsebb: rufus
[10:43] <sebsebsebb> akik: yes but what it stands for :d
[10:43] <sebsebsebb> the letters
[10:43]  * JTech cries again
[10:44] <sebsebsebb> akik: alkisg   Create and Format bootable USB flash drives with Rufus. Rufus stands for Reliable USB Formatting Utility with Source.
[10:44] <JTech> what am I doing wrong??
[10:44] <sebsebsebb> JTech: when comes to what, I missed your issue
[10:44] <JTech> disks even says the partition on the USB is bootable.
[10:45] <JTech> sebsebsebb, I can't get a bootable USB from Xubuntu installer.
[10:45] <JTech> Xubuntu installer ISO
[10:45] <sebsebsebb> JTech: which  version of xubuntu? how you make usb ?
[10:46] <sebsebsebb> might be similar to the issue I just had :d  but seems I may have  a solution
[10:46] <JTech> sebsebsebb, to write the ISO I tried dd. now I'm trying disks.
[10:46] <JTech> xubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64
[10:47] <sebsebsebb> JTech: oh on Linux,  mine was with windows tools,  nevermind, someone else will be able to help you better, wait etc :) good luck
[10:47] <JTech> I checked the MD5checksum. that's correct. the USB stick can't be dead because I've rewritten the ISO to it.
[10:47] <kostkon> tanja84dk, what version of Ubuntu are you on
[10:47] <sebsebsebb> JTech: the usb might be faulty, even though eerything else seemed to work, have you tried another ?
[10:48] <akik> JTech: you can test if the usb stick boots while in your current linux system
[10:48] <JTech> maybe it's a BIOS setting. I'm just surprised that the laptop I tested it out as a 2nd test machine can't boot from it either.
[10:48] <JTech> sebsebsebb, yeah. 2 USB sticks. I can't really go out and buy another right now.
[10:48] <sebsebsebb> JTech: if you got UEFI system, you may need to disabble secure boot suer
[10:48] <akik> JTech: install qemu-kvm package, then: sudo kvm -m 1024 /dev/sdX
[10:49] <tanja84dk> kostkon, 16.04 LTS and the test says I'm Vulnerable for version 1 and 2
[10:49] <sebsebsebb> indeed to buying usb sticks uh,  but for mine if I format,  I am ok again I guess,  the issue I had.
[10:49] <JTech> akik let me try again with that command. last time I tried qemu it said I didn't have permission.
[10:49] <kostkon> tanja84dk, which test is that
[10:49] <akik> JTech: umount it first if it's mounted
[10:50] <tanja84dk> kostkon, https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker
[10:50] <JTech> oh. unmounting. that might be my problem.
[10:51] <tanja84dk> kostkon, TechSNAP from Jupiter Broadcasting recommended that test for linux users
[10:51] <kostkon> tanja84dk, what's the output of output of   uname -a
[10:51] <akik> JTech: yes. it's not automatic in linux where as in windows some of the tasks are more automatic
[10:51] <JTech> akik, wait, how do I find it if it's not mounted? like it won't be /dev/sdb
[10:51] <tanja84dk> kostkon, Linux tanjaubuntuserver 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:52] <Azlux> Ben64: I will try to clear enought. Into your wiki, the default rule is "-A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" but the word RELATED active all conntrack module (to follow the connection), but the good way to use it is to specify the conntrack with "-A INPUT -m conntrack -m helper ftp --dport 23 --ctstate RELATED -j ACCEPT". When you don't specify parameter to you can open any port if you simule a ftp tcp echanges. In my computer
[10:52] <Azlux> I can open a mysql port if the conntrack is activated with the word RELATED. Because you wiki is the default rules people need to add into their iptables, you need to remove this security risk.
[10:52] <tanja84dk> so it is the newest kernel
[10:52] <akik> JTech: you could look into /proc/mounts or df output
[10:52] <kostkon> tanja84dk, you seem to be up-to-date
[10:52] <JTech> akik, so not the command you gave me?
[10:53] <kostkon> tanja84dk, i'm guessing you've also installed the latest microcode
[10:53] <tanja84dk> ??
[10:53] <akik> JTech: to see if your usb stick is mounted, "grep /dev/sdX /proc/mounts" or "df"
[10:53] <tanja84dk> I were told that the patch olny would be to kernel
[10:53] <akik> JTech: replace sdX with the device name you have
[10:54] <kostkon> tanja84dk, https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3531-1/     you can check with  apt-cache policy intel-microcode
[10:54] <JTech> akik I don't understand. you told me it shouldn't be mounted when I run qemu but how can I select a device for qemu to use if it's not mounted?
[10:55] <tanja84dk> kostkon, that is not installed for some reason
[10:55] <kostkon> tanja84dk, spectre is more far reaching and requires an updated microcode aka firmware for you cpu
[10:55] <Kubuntu_user> Eric^^ , sorry the computer restart by mistake , I'm now on my ubuntu which on hard disk not on external hard disk.
[10:55]  * tanja84dk crossing the fingers that it wont kill my pc
[10:55] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ , sorry the computer restart by mistake , I'm now on my ubuntu which on hard disk not on external hard disk.
[10:55] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ok, can you show the partition table? sudo parted -l
[10:56] <kostkon> tanja84dk, you could try again doing   sudo apt update and sudo apt full-upgrade
[10:56] <akik> JTech: a device like your usb stick doesn't need to be mounted for kvm. your system just needs to see it at /dev/sdX
[10:56] <JTech> akik it told me "no such file or directory"
[10:57] <akik> JTech: so what is your usb stick device name?
[10:57] <kostkon> tanja84dk, oh it's not even installed, to be on the safe side install it yourself,  sudo apt install intel-microcode
[10:57] <akik> JTech: you can see it with "sudo fdisk -l"
[10:58] <JTech> OH! SOMETHING! I used sudo with the old command I had! "sudo qemu-system-x86_64 -hda /dev/sdb" and it worked!
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:58] <tanja84dk> kostkon, still Vulnerable after installing that, making sure everything is updated and rebooted
[10:59] <JTech> ok... so this probably means it works and I'm just not setting up the bios right or something.
[10:59] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[10:59] <kostkon> tanja84dk, or amd64-microcode if you have an amd cpu
[11:00] <tanja84dk> kostkon, I know but its a intel i7 3770
[11:00] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: this is taking f-o-r-e-v-e-r
[11:00] <Kubuntu_user> sorry
[11:01] <EriC^^> i hate to leave a person hanging but a 10min operation taking 4-5hours .. i'm not at work right now bored or smtng
[11:01] <akik> JTech: have you found a key press which would force your computer to show a boot time boot menu?
[11:01] <EriC^^> np just please hurry up
[11:01] <akik> JTech: F8 or F10 or similar
[11:01] <Kubuntu_user> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26371211/
[11:01] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ >>> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26371211/
[11:02] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ok, so to clarify, you're not booted into the same pc anymore? the pc we were working on is now just a hdd in the system?
[11:02] <JTech> akik, yeah. F12. It didn't show the device on my desktop. I think on the laptop it listed "USB-HDD" but selecting that didn't do anything.
[11:02] <Kubuntu_user> yes
[11:03] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ yes
[11:03] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ok, type 'sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt'
[11:03] <Kubuntu_user> done
[11:03] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[11:03] <akik> JTech: try turning the computer off completely and then trying again
[11:03] <EriC^^> type the whole line above
[11:03] <JTech> on the desktop I'm trying to install on, I set it to boot 1st from USB-HDD and USB-ZIP but that doesn't work. There's also nothing listed in the "disk drive" stuff.
[11:03] <tanja84dk> kostkon, is there other things I could do to fix it
[11:03] <kostkon> tanja84dk, i don't know what that script is checking exactly but you seem to be up-to-date and in theory protected against meltdown and spectre for now, although patches (more updates) will arrive in the not distant future i reckon
[11:04] <kostkon> tanja84dk, ^
[11:04] <akik> JTech: how old is the computer?
[11:04] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[11:04] <JTech> akik, 3 year old motherboard.
[11:04] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: 'sudo chroot /mnt'
[11:04] <tanja84dk> kostkon, you know the next patch will not come before martch/april
[11:04] <Kubuntu_user> done
[11:04] <tanja84dk> its ubuntu we are talking about
[11:05] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: 'mount -a' then type 'lsblk' and see if /boot/efi is mounted /dev/sdb4
[11:05] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ yes
[11:06] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: great, type 'grub-install'
[11:06] <tanja84dk> kostkon, btw if you look here https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker then they are telling something about the script
[11:06] <JTech> is there some trick to getting USB to boot? I was told before it should be plugged in before it's turned on. I don't know what other trick I need for this.
[11:06] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: after it's done, type 'update-grub'
[11:06] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[11:07] <Kubuntu_user> done
[11:07] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: apt-get install grub-pc
[11:07] <EriC^^> we're now installing grub to the bios_boot
[11:07] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[11:07] <tatertots> JTech: no tricks....just proper usb media/medium and properly configured PC....equally important are both
[11:08] <Kubuntu_user> Is that the last step?
[11:08] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ Is that the last step?
[11:08] <kostkon> tanja84dk, afaik more patches dealing with spectre will arrive in the coming weeks, for now you are good to go, since you've just installed the updated microcode as well
[11:08] <JTech> unplugged keyboard so i type slow now
[11:08] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: did the command finish?
[11:08] <Kubuntu_user> yes
[11:08] <akik> JTech: have you ever been able to boot a usb stick in that computer?
[11:09] <tanja84dk> kostkon, they have known about it for a couple of month
[11:09] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ some GUI has been appear in trimnal
[11:09] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: try 'grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdb'
[11:09] <tanja84dk> and have first sent a patch now so no it will take several month again
[11:09] <JTech> i think so. it might have been the older motherboard. but same brand of gigabyte
[11:10] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: aha is it the question on /etc/default/grub right?
[11:10] <Kubuntu_user> yes
[11:10] <JTech> disk boot failure
[11:10] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: use the space bar to select keep the old version you had then press enter
[11:10] <tatertots> JTech: are you familiar enough with a PC to be confident in the boot order configuration?....it's okay to say NO
[11:10] <Kubuntu_user> Should I choose dev/sdb or dev/sdb2?
[11:11] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: /dev/sdb
[11:11] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[11:11] <Kubuntu_user> done
[11:11] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: try 'grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdb'
[11:11] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[11:11] <JTech> tatertots, I dunno. it shouldn't be rocket science, right?
[11:11] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ done
[11:11] <tatertots> JTech: that translated into NO for me...no offense
[11:12] <JTech> ok. I took disk drive out of the boot options altogether to make sure it wasn't giving this disk boot failure on the blank SSD and HDD, but same error.
[11:12] <akik> JTech: here are the steps to write the usb stick: 1) umount all partitions that you have mounted off it 2) sudo dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M 3) sync
[11:12] <Kubuntu_user> EriC^^ Is that the last step?
[11:13] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: yeah, it's basically over but let's do one last thing
[11:13] <JTech> akik what's sync?
[11:13] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[11:13] <akik> JTech: dd returns back to the terminal before fully writing the usb stick. sync ensures that everything has been written to disk
[11:13] <tatertots> JTech: there is a "boot order" it may behoove you to attempt to wrap your mind around the concept
[11:14] <JTech> akik, so it's literally the command "sync"?
[11:14] <akik> JTech: yes
[11:14] <tatertots> JTech: because it is a "order" if you ignore it...you may be urinating in the wind....so to speak
[11:14] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'apt-get remove grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amf64-signed+'
[11:14] <rud0lf> EriC^^: typo? amd64 ?
[11:14] <EriC^^> sorry typo
[11:14] <JTech> what's the significance of the number bs=1M? one person said 1M, another 4M.
[11:14] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'apt-get remove grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed+'
[11:15] <EriC^^> rud0lf: thanks :D
[11:15] <Kubuntu_user> ok
[11:15] <tatertots> JTech: And i do believe personally ...that's why you've been dealing with making a USB bootable for so many hours/days
[11:15] <akik> JTech: it doesn't matter. the default is just 512 bytes which makes it slow
[11:15] <tuskkk___> need to replace $tag in a yaml with date +%s
[11:15] <tuskkk___> how do I use sed for this?
[11:17] <JTech> oh man. one person gave me a command without sync and the other had it, but I took it out because it was after status=progress which didn't work. !
[11:18] <michael2> JTech: if you are runnig a newer version of dd it has a status (progress) option - I recommend it otherwise the dd command just kind of goes silent after you run it. and you are talking about several GBs with a live cd
[11:19] <akik> ubuntu iso is max 2 gigs
[11:19] <JTech> michael2, yeah. that's what happened when I ran it. didn't know what was happening until it was done.
[11:19] <JTech> ok. unmounted it says "no medium found"
[11:19] <michael2> exactly, so the full form of the command would be:
[11:20] <JTech> I need it unmounted but no ejected?
[11:20] <michael2> sudo dd  bs=4M  if=/media/user/ubuntu-XXXX.iso  of=/dev/sdX  status=progress && sync
[11:20] <JTech> it doesn't like status=progress
[11:20] <akik> JTech: yes. umounted but not ejected (=safely remove)
[11:20] <michael2> what is the output of: dd --version ?
[11:21] <JTech> so I need to find out how to unmount without ejecting.
[11:21] <JTech> do I need to go through all these half a dozen steps, or can I just use one command? https://askubuntu.com/questions/859787/how-to-unmount-and-mount-pen-drive-in-ubuntu-via-command-line
[11:21] <akik> JTech: the command is: sudo umount /media/username/something
[11:22] <akik> JTech: or whereever it's mounted
[11:22] <JTech> wherever indeed.
[11:22] <akik> JTech: you can see it with df
[11:22] <tanja84dk> kostkon, just found out the issue. And that is that it also looks like I need bios update to fix two of the points
[11:23] <JTech> oh no. it's got spaces in the name.
[11:23] <kubuntu_user> EriC^^ sorry sorry , I closed the trimnal and some error happened I did logout  , Ok what is the last thing was ? Thank you so much EriC^^.
[11:24] <akik> JTech: sudo umount /media/username/path\ with\ spaces
[11:24] <kostkon> tanja84dk, oems are also expected to release bios updaets in the coming weeks or months yes. It a overly complex and multifaceted problem. We need to exercise some patience and let the devs do their job
[11:24] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'apt-get remove grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed+'
[11:24] <JTech> michael2, oh. I almost missed that. dd version 8.23
[11:24] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: if you closed the chroot terminal, type 'sudo chroot /mnt' first then run that command
[11:24] <JTech> akik, sorry I'm so completely hopeless.
[11:24] <kubuntu_user> ok
[11:25] <akik> JTech: no problem. we've all been there
[11:25] <tanja84dk> kostkon, well that is also intel exept last time I should remote flash it then I had to send it to RMA because  the flash killed the bios
[11:25] <tanja84dk> What I remember
[11:25] <kubuntu_user> I got this chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
[11:26] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: ok, type 'sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt'
[11:26] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[11:26] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: 'sudo chroot /mnt' then 'mount -a'
[11:26] <EriC^^> Kubuntu_user: type 'apt-get remove grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed+'
[11:26] <tanja84dk> but tbh month for a patch that is unacceptable, specially when the issue have been there for 20 years and no one have done anything to fix it
[11:27] <kubuntu_user> done
[11:27] <SimonNL> they might have been waiting for you tanja84dk
[11:27] <kubuntu_user> then apt-get remove grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed+ ?
[11:27] <JTech> akik, do I still point dd at /dev/sdb if it's unmounted or does it need to look elsewhere? df shows no sdb.
[11:28] <BluesKaj> tanja84dk, the fix is in , the kernel came down 2 days ago, let's move on
[11:28] <michael2> JTech: then your dd should support status=progress
[11:28] <kubuntu_user> ok
[11:28] <akik> JTech: yes /dev/sdb
[11:28] <akik> JTech: that's what you told is the usb stick device name
[11:28] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: yes
[11:28] <akik> JTech: just be careful to write to the correct device with dd
[11:29] <JTech> dd: invalid status flag: ‘progress’
[11:29] <akik> JTech: you can double check with: sudo fdisk -l
[11:29] <JTech> luckily there's just 1 partition, so as long as I don't write to sda I'm good.
[11:30] <kostkon> tanja84dk, https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/04/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities/     "I say “unfortunately”, in part because there was a coordinated release date of January 9, 2018, agreed upon by essentially every operating system, hardware, and cloud vendor in the world."  it was an industry wide decision to release the patches on the 9th
[11:31] <kostkon> tanja84dk, but let's leave it at that
[11:31] <tanja84dk> Actually no that is not true The 9. That were the NDA that no one talked about it
[11:32] <kubuntu_user> EriC^^ sorry I got some error in the end of execution, Could you see this https://paste.ubuntu.com/26371425/
[11:32] <tanja84dk> BluesKaj, well the fix is not working the kernel is installed and the micro code is also installed and the system is still vulnable
[11:33] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: oh, it's cause the currently booted os is in legacy bios mode
[11:33] <BluesKaj> there's still no point in compaining about it here
[11:34] <tanja84dk> kostkon, great its looking like intel also have stopped supporting my mother board in the pc I bought a few years ago so I guess no bios patch from them
[11:34] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: are the efi files still there? try 'ls -l /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu' from the chroot
[11:34] <kubuntu_user> ok
[11:36] <JTech> I wonder if I'll ever get to a point where this isn't complete and total agony.
[11:36] <kubuntu_user> EriC^^ I got 4 files grub.cfg , grubx64.efi , mmx64.efi , shimx64.efi
[11:36] <JTech> it failed again.
[11:36] <akik> JTech: you can also write the iso on a dvd and boot with that
[11:36] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: try 'mkdir -p /boot/efi/efi/{Boot,Microsoft/Boot} && cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi && cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi'
[11:37] <kubuntu_user> EriC^^ done
[11:37] <JTech> akik, nope. my only optical drive is IDE. no IDE connector in this lovely "new" motherboard.
[11:38] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: ok, one last thing, try 'dpkg -l | grep grub' i think some grub-pc stuff is still there
[11:38] <akik> JTech: is there some usb options in your bios that would affect it?
[11:38] <JTech> I wish I could network the two computers through the USB ports. but I don't even have a cable for that.
[11:39] <kostkon> tanja84dk, you may get one nonetheless only time will tell. Just make sure you keep your ubuntu system updated and be optimistic about this whole ordeal. We will overcome this (eventually).
[11:39] <kubuntu_user> EriC^^ yes, there are some files.
[11:39] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: please paste the output
[11:39] <JTech> I thought I was thorough but I don't know. there's like 5 different USB types for booting instead of just plain "USB". I put USB-HDD and USB-ZIP 1st before "disk drive".
[11:39] <kubuntu_user> ok
[11:39] <Gargiuz> Hello! Is here the right place to ask for an help?
[11:40] <EriC^^> !ask | Gargiuz
[11:40] <Gargiuz> great! I cant launch ubuntu because I eliminated his partition
[11:40] <kubuntu_user> EriC^^ >>> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26371469/
[11:41] <Gargiuz> but i cant neither launch windows 10 because there was a problem durint installation
[11:41] <JTech> .... WHAT? "Solving the dreaded Gigabyte "Won't boot from USB" problem"
[11:41] <Gargiuz> everytime I try to lauch a live DVD appears the error: no such partition Entering rescue mode... grub rescue
[11:43] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: ok, 'apt-get remove grub-efi-amd64-signed grub-pc+'
[11:44] <kubuntu_user> ok
[11:44] <kubuntu_user> EriC^^ done without errors
[11:45] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: great, try booting the hdd
[11:45] <EriC^^> ho
[11:45] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: run update-grub before
[11:45] <JTech> I'm never buying Gigabyte motherboards again. I bought a replacement because I thought the hot heatsync on the Northbridge chip was a defect. then chickened out of attempting to return the 1st. so wasted money buying two. now I find out this USB booting problem has probably wasted me days worth of agony.
[11:45] <kubuntu_user> ok
[11:45] <akik> JTech: it's a rocky road but you probably found the solution :)
[11:45] <kubuntu_user> done
[11:46] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: ok, try booting
[11:46] <kubuntu_user> restrat the comuter ?
[11:47] <EriC^^> yes try to boot the hdd we were working on, put it first in the boot order
[11:47] <EriC^^> in the bios
[11:47] <kubuntu_user> EriC ^^ Thank you so much, God bless you.
[11:47] <kubuntu_user> EriC ^^ Also, Thank you so much for your patience. you are awesome.
[11:47] <EriC^^> kubuntu_user: no problem
[11:47] <akik> JTech: that page also says that the usb stick would be under +HDD
[11:48] <kubuntu_user> Thank you .
[11:48] <kubuntu_user> Thank you.
[11:48] <EriC^^> :)
[11:48] <kubuntu_user> Bye!
[11:48] <EriC^^> bye
[11:48] <JTech> oh
[11:50] <suzumecubi> Hello?
[11:50] <JTech> i hate this
[11:51] <tatertots> JTech: learning curves exist...but once you get over the hump "momentum" takes you "downhill"
[11:51] <suzumecubi> This piece of glorious open source software?
[11:51] <JTech> i dont know what the timing on this is
[11:55] <akik> JTech: the page even mentioned a timeout that you could increase from 0 seconds to 15 seconds
[11:55] <slipttees> Hi guys
[11:55] <slipttees> good day for all!
[11:56] <akik> JTech: "What worked for me is in the BIOS there is a setting that says "Wait for HDD power up" in seconds default is 0 - I changed it to the max of 15 and then plugged in my my USB on the bios splash screen and it finally showed up under HDD"
[11:59] <JTech> I cant find any such setting on mine
[12:03] <slipttees> i have hp pavilion x360, I install ubuntu 16.04.3, 17.10 and 18.04 and have same problem. boot up very very very very slow more 10 minutes. I did upload images and video for help me fix this. Thanks a lot image1: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJ9vSo7d9R image2: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJeD8vRF7e video:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Uq9UVWo6b0AVRWtFSe7yT_zGXQfotEPQ
[12:05] <tatertots> slipttees: are you chatting from the computer in question right now? yes or no
[12:06] <slipttees> tatertots: No other
[12:06] <tatertots> slipttees: oh okay
[12:07] <hotaronohanako> slipttees: uefi ?
[12:07] <tatertots> he's supposed to know that?
[12:07] <tatertots> without any "surrounding" words...;
[12:08] <tatertots> i better go now
[12:08] <tatertots> lol
[12:09] <slipttees> hotaronohanako: yes
[12:10] <JTech> im going to have to disassemble my whole computer just to TRY to use this on a MAYBE not-defective or less defective gigabyte motherboard.
[12:10] <hotaronohanako> slipttees: try to put the bios to legacy fist
[12:10] <JTech> i can't even get this to boot on the laptop.
[12:12] <slipttees> hotaronohanako: need reinstall then
[12:13] <zomaar> Uprading 16.04 to 16.10
[12:13] <hotaronohanako> slipttees: its possible but try fisrt ! you say is an old laptop so maybe legacy is a better choise
[12:13] <zomaar> on a 8kb/s link
[12:13] <zomaar> Quite the experience
[12:13] <geirha> zomaar: Don't. 16.10 is unsupported.
[12:13] <slipttees> hotaronohanako: okay bro ill try
[12:13] <kubuntu_user> EriC^^ it is working perfectly . Thank you so much for your helping.
[12:14] <geirha> zomaar: wait for 18.04 to be released and upgrade directly to that
[12:14] <kubuntu_user> GoodBye!
[12:14] <slipttees> hotaronohanako: u see ACPI erros?
[12:14] <zomaar> Is is supported by me
[12:14] <hotaronohanako> slipttees: not in the video
[12:14] <hotaronohanako> so maybe is not that !
[12:14] <zomaar> And this way I can deal with the changes gradually instead of all at once
[12:14] <zomaar> :)
[12:14] <tecnologia> Yehhhh
[12:14] <tecnologia> Fuck niggers
[12:14] <slipttees> hotaronohanako: pictures
[12:15] <hotaronohanako> lets see
[12:16] <zomaar> I want to know for instance what the next version of KDE would have done for my system, @geirha
[12:16] <zomaar> It is important to witness the steps I think, and I was just late with 16.10
[12:17] <hotaronohanako> slipttees: I see something related to uefi there ! that's the reason I've been asking about that
[12:17] <slipttees> hotaronohanako: okay. thanks
[12:21] <zomaar> For me there are also too many changes in 18.04 now
[12:21] <zomaar> Particularly networking
[12:22] <hotaronohanako> about what really ?
[12:22] <zomaar> I wrote a libnss plugin to bypass mdns
[12:23] <zomaar> I wrote a libnss_dns_local.so to make sure local unicast DNS precedes mdns
[12:31] <Leonidax> how to install ubuntu.... i have jus downloaded 16.4
[12:32] <hotaronohanako> in some way thats is a vague question
[12:32] <hotaronohanako> there's alot ways you can install the system
[12:32] <Leonidax> I mean ...
[12:33] <Leonidax> Do I have to burn in DVD?
[12:33] <hotaronohanako> not really
[12:33] <Leonidax> Can you plss brief me how install Ubuntu from flashdrive
[12:33] <hotaronohanako> you can use a usb drive
[12:34] <Leonidax> yes pls
[12:34] <Leonidax> can youi please give me tutorial links here?
[12:35] <hotaronohanako> Leonidax: I think you can read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[12:36] <Leonidax> ok thank you!
[12:36] <hotaronohanako> Leonidax:  youtube is your friend too
[12:36] <Leonidax> ok pls a link
[12:36] <slipttees> how check acpi_os ?
[12:37] <EriC^^> slipttees: which one to choose you mean?
[12:38] <EriC^^> or you mean how to check what's set right now?
[12:38] <b3h3m0th> Can I have some hostname for some public SSH server?
[12:38] <b3h3m0th> Just need to check if my firewall gets me through
[12:38] <b3h3m0th> by banner
[12:40] <slipttees> EriC^^: grub acpi_osi too fix fn keys
[12:40] <slipttees> i have hp pavilion x360, I install ubuntu 16.04.3, 17.10 and 18.04 and have same problem. boot up very very very very slow more 10 minutes. I did upload images and video for help me fix this. Thanks a lot image1: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJ9vSo7d9R image2: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJeD8vRF7e video:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Uq9UVWo6b0AVRWtFSe7yT_zGXQfotEPQ
[12:40] <slipttees> ops sorry about that! :-s
[12:41] <EriC^^> slipttees: type 'sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep Windows'
[12:41] <tomreyn> b3h3m0th: are you asking whether you can make your public openssh server available under a a specific internet resolveable fully qualified domain anme?
[12:41] <b3h3m0th> no no
[12:41] <slipttees> EriC^^: thanks a lot
[12:41] <b3h3m0th> just need an IP or hostname
[12:41] <b3h3m0th> for any SSH server in the internet
[12:42] <EriC^^> slipttees: no problem
[12:42] <b3h3m0th> to test if my firewall permits SSH to outbound
[12:43] <slipttees> EriC^^: i try install x360 in legacy... maybe UEFI problem
[12:43] <akik> b3h3m0th: http://sshtron.zachlatta.com/ has one address for you
[12:43] <EriC^^> slipttees: see which service is taking long to boot
[12:44] <EriC^^> slipttees: i see the service, mm
[12:44] <b3h3m0th> akik: thanks
[12:44] <Guest88700> hello everybody)
[12:44] <b3h3m0th> any idea why "openssl s_client -connect sshtron.zachlatta.com:22" is not negotiating ?
[12:44] <slipttees> EriC^^: i need see this before
[12:45] <Guest88700> any ideas to resurrect libgl on rockchip 3399 in xubuntu 16.04?
[12:45] <slipttees> EriC^^: kernel variables
[12:45] <slipttees> EriC^^: apply variables
[12:45] <ioria> b3h3m0th, maybe because it does not support ssl connections ?
[12:46] <tomreyn> b3h3m0th: ssh != ssl / tls
[12:46] <akik> b3h3m0th: works here
[12:47] <zomaar> slipttees: So harddrive takes long time to be recognised right
[12:48] <akik> b3h3m0th: does the hostname resolve to an ip for you?
[12:48] <b3h3m0th> akik:  yes, it connects
[12:48] <b3h3m0th> my issue was different
[12:48] <b3h3m0th> It not talking TLS
[12:48] <b3h3m0th> figured out now
[12:48] <b3h3m0th> the hard way
[12:48] <slipttees> zomaar: bios boot is fast
[12:49] <akik> b3h3m0th: please don't use enter as punctuation :)
[12:49] <zomaar> slipttees: But after that it stalls waiting for your device in Linux
[12:49] <b3h3m0th> roger              that
[12:50] <slipttees> zomaar: i try install in legacy
[12:50] <b3h3m0th> Hitting the enter key gives me a dopamine hit everytime :P
[12:50]  * XXCoder changes it to liquid pain
[12:50] <zomaar> Some people hit it really hard while playing text games ;-)
[12:51] <EriC^^> slipttees: this says Solved, check it out https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/update-problem-procps-failed-to-start-apply-kernel-variables-4175536441/
[12:52] <b3h3m0th> The magnitude of response you get is directly proportional to the force on the key
[12:52] <zomaar> :)
[12:52] <b3h3m0th> And believe it or not, if you bank your torso to the right, the car drifts even more ;)
[12:54] <slipttees> EriC^^: copy
[12:54] <zomaar> My gamepad also influences physically the speed my character has on screen
[12:54] <zomaar> But I still don't like Wii --- oh offtopic
[12:54] <b3h3m0th> Wait, what? This is not ##gaming? :O :O :O
[12:54] <EriC^^> slipttees: can you pastebin /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf ?
[12:56] <slipttees> EriC^^: yes... take a while ;-)
[12:56] <zomaar> Actually I do believe the force with with you hit the key reverberates through the subatomic nuclei and has an effect on people through this screen, even when they don't notice it
[12:56] <slipttees> EriC^^: finish install in legacy rsrs
[12:57] <slipttees> EriC^^: same error apply kernel variables
[12:57] <slipttees> in legacy mode
[12:57] <zomaar> Myself I have also had long delayed boots on this machine
[12:58] <zomaar> Probably caused by a bad usb stick...
[12:59] <zomaar> I often wonder how you can send actual feedback to actual kernel developers
[13:00] <zomaar> My bad usb stick just makes the entire kernel stall for like a minute
[13:00] <slipttees> zomaar: my laptop every slow rsrs
[13:00] <zomaar> rsrs?
[13:00] <JTech> is it possible to run the installer from another installation? since I can't boot from USB.
[13:01] <JTech> I have Debian installed on the dying HD.
[13:01] <zomaar> You could boot inside a VM and then copy the installation to your target partition
[13:01] <zomaar> Or, you can run a VM ON the target partition
[13:01] <JTech> that sounds complpicated
[13:02] <zomaar> It requires one or two manual commands in virtualbox
[13:02] <akik> JTech: you can boot an iso through grub
[13:02] <JTech> I dont have virtualbox
[13:02] <akik> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[13:03] <akik> JTech: the page says that you'd need grub 2, not grub 0.97
[13:03] <JTech> hm not sure what I used to install those OSes 3 years ago
[13:04] <slipttees> hotaronohanako: legacy same problem
[13:04] <JTech> akik thanks. I'll check it out.
[13:06] <slipttees> i have hp pavilion x360, I install ubuntu 16.04.3, 17.10 and 18.04 UEFI or legacy and have same problem. boot up very very very very slow more 10 minutes. I did upload images and video for help me fix this. Thanks a lot image1: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJ9vSo7d9R image2: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJeD8vRF7e video:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Uq9UVWo6b0AVRWtFSe7yT_zGXQfotEPQ
[13:06] <akik> JTech: you can check which grub version you have in debian: dpkg -l | grep grub
[13:06] <JTech> hahah i hope i dont need to type the closed bracket, because that key is broken on my keyboard
[13:09] <zomaar> akik: That is pretty cool
[13:09] <slipttees> EriC^^: pastebin.ubuntu.com/26371766
[13:10] <zomaar> One random thing you can try slipttees is libata.force=noncq
[13:11] <zomaar> But only if you feel like it
[13:11] <zomaar> Or even libata.force=1.5G
[13:11] <zomaar> Or combined in one go, libata.force=1.5G,noncq
[13:12] <zomaar> Put them in /etc/default/grub in GRUB_CMDLINE
[13:13] <zomaar> Or just try while booting
[13:13] <slipttees> zomaar: i try... my wife get back to windows rsrs
[13:13] <za1b1tsu> Hello, I have ubuntu + gnome, regarding all settings > keyboard > shortcuts, anyway I can see the commands for the predefined? I want to make my own to move a window to workspace up and one for down, but I don't know the command syntax/
[13:13] <JTech> is there a way to type an ascii code number in the grub command line?
[13:14] <zomaar> slipttees: You can just edit the grub cmdline with "e" and then add that to the kernel line
[13:14] <goodafternoon> hello everybody :D
[13:14] <goodafternoon> https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/02/5/1515762877-screenshot-from-2018-01-12-12-59-10.png
[13:15] <goodafternoon> I don't understand the line with swap on my /sda
[13:15] <goodafternoon> I don't want to touch my /sda
[13:15] <goodafternoon> any idea ?
[13:15] <slipttees> :/
[13:15] <slipttees> alkisg: ping
[13:15] <goodafternoon> pong
[13:16] <zomaar> goodafternoon: It has been automatically selected
[13:17] <JTech> there used to be a way you could hold down a  key or two and then type some numbers to get ascii characters
[13:17] <zomaar> goodafternoon: You can go back to the previous screen and click on it and say "change" and select "Use as -> Don't use"
[13:17] <goodafternoon> zomaar, it gonna format my /sda ? I don't want it
[13:17] <goodafternoon> ok let me see
[13:18] <JTech> HAH! GOT IT! alt + 3 digits
[13:19] <guest-lYYy5G> anyone here?
[13:19] <goodafternoon> zomaar, alright ! the line about sda disepeared ! thank you :D
[13:20] <goodafternoon> just to be sure, could you confirm that it gonna install it on /sdb (my usb stick) and not touch at all my /sda (my host) ?
[13:21] <zomaar> If there is no mention of sda being formatted and if your Grub is also installed on /dev/sdb
[13:21] <JTech> hmmmm... I don't see my USB flash drive in the grub menu.
[13:22] <JTech> is it going to be easier to try to install this from grub2, or from Debian?
[13:23] <zomaar> JTech: You can also run manual commands from grub
[13:23] <zomaar> First set a variable, then mount a loopback device
[13:23] <slipttees> zomaar: libata.force=noncq not work! :(
[13:23] <JTech> zomaar that's what I'm doing but I can't tell if it can see my USB flash drive wher ethe ISO is
[13:23] <goodafternoon> zomaar, I thought that it will install grub by itself (?)
[13:24] <zomaar> goodafternoon: It does not always choose the correct device, there is in the screen a "bootloader" dropdown box
[13:24] <admini_> Hello
[13:24] <zomaar> slipttees: Shame, did you also do 1.5G?
[13:24] <slipttees> zomaar: ill try now
[13:24] <zomaar> JTech: Is the ISO burned to flash drive or as a file?
[13:25] <JTech> zomaar, burned.
[13:25] <JTech> though I could just have it copied.
[13:25] <zomaar> JTech: The tutorial used it as a file
[13:25] <zomaar> JTech: What does "ls" do?
[13:25] <JTech> my motherboard just can't boot from USB
[13:25] <slipttees> zomaar: still boot 5 min so far
[13:26] <goodafternoon> thank you I start the installation, see you
[13:26] <JTech> zomaar, uh... well I have some existing partitions but I don't see my USB stick among them.
[13:26] <JTech> its hard to type on the laptop
[13:27] <JTech> hd0 hd0,msdos7 hd0,msdos6 hd0,msdos5 hd0,msdos1 hd1 hd2
[13:27] <JTech> unkonwno file system for hd1 and hd2
[13:28] <zomaar> JTech: It is possible to load the ISO from your harddisk
[13:28] <JTech> Im on a laptop. trying to install this on a desktop PC
[13:29] <JTech> I have Xubuntu on the laptop but Debian on the desktop where I want to install Xubuntu.
[13:29] <JTech> Debian is on a HD I think might be dying
[13:29] <JTech> although what's dead for sure is the Xubuntu on a 2nd partition on the same HD that Debian is on.
[13:30] <slipttees> EriC^^: zomaar https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwkfZaZGP5P
[13:31] <slipttees> EriC^^: zomaar new video boot https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nlmUX08-Dl0pG6ODMdBWEOWJ8e4Wu1Hq
[13:33] <jk^> hi all, i installed unrar-free with all other packages it asks me to install with it... but the archives .rar don't work... but if i unistall unrar-free they works :\
[13:33] <jk^> the other packages remains installed when i unistall unrar-free
[13:33] <jk^> though
[13:34] <jk^> have to try with unrar? or rar or other ones?
[13:34] <jk^> have i to try with unrar? or rar or other ones?
[13:34] <JTech> what's the easiest way to install Xubuntu without being able to boot USB? I'm retarded. can I do it straight with an internet connection in Debian or grub2? or should I try to run the ISO from Debian?
[13:34] <TJ-> jk^: Didn't we go through this a few days ago?
[13:35] <jk^> yes, but i don't resolve
[13:35] <jk^> i didn't resolve
[13:35] <TJ-> JTech: you can use the netboot images via a PXE boot over the network. You'll need a configured BOOTP/DHCP and TFTP server for that (e.g. dnsmasq)
[13:35] <zomaar> JTech: I still suggest just running the ISO like the tutorial said
[13:35] <slipttees> i have hp pavilion x360, I install ubuntu 16.04.3, 17.10 and 18.04 UEFI or legacy and have same problem. boot up very very very very slow more 10 minutes. I did upload images and video for help me fix this. Thanks a lot image1: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJ9vSo7d9R image2: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJeD8vRF7e image3: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwkfZaZGP5P video:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nlmUX08-Dl0pG6ODMdBWEOWJ8e4Wu1Hq
[13:35] <JTech> if i need to install something in debian I'll have to disconnect the laptop's internet. the wireless on it has been spotty but maybe that's just when I restart it.
[13:36] <zomaar> JTech: Just put the iSO in the root filesystem or create a different partition for it
[13:36] <TJ-> jk^: OK, the basics is unrar-free doesn't support some of the more advanced compression/security algorithms (RAR v3.0_)  that 'unrar' (the non-free version)  supports
[13:37] <JTech> zomaar, is the tutorial out of sequence? because I couldn't locate the ISO. do I need the "menuentry" before I actually mount it?
[13:37] <zomaar> JTech: Better create a different partition
[13:37] <sebsebsebb> lets try this again, got a weird issue.  made a new ubuntu 16.04.3 usb and tested that, but just like before,  not booting up.  get grub coming up,  but when putting try ubuntu option, it won't load up stuff on my screen.  not tried other versions or other distros yet, but I am thinking maybe its a problem with the actsual ISO.
[13:37] <sebsebsebb> and for some reason my lap top
[13:37] <zomaar> JTech: Mounting is only really required in Grub while booting
[13:38] <JTech> zomaar, oh, right. good idea. thanks. I've been at this so long. I'm tired in addition to having tunnel vision.
[13:38] <zomaar> JTech: So you need the menu entry first
[13:38] <zomaar> JTech: Or just contrive the lines while booting
[13:38] <jk^> TJ-, then i have to try with unrar?
[13:38] <JTech> zomaar, was ther a tutorial for doing this some way other than grub?
[13:38] <zomaar> JTech: As long as the ISO has an easy name in an easy location
[13:38] <TJ-> jk^: Yes
[13:38] <zomaar> JTech: I don't know
[13:39] <vonnojimon> hi guys i am trying to install wine on 17.10 64bit from terminal can i have a lil help please can dmesg what ever u need
[13:39] <zomaar> JTech: I mean the only other ways would be kexec possibly
[13:39] <TJ-> slipttees: That looks like the disk device cannot be found
[13:39] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: how are you trying to install wine?
[13:39] <vonnojimon> from terminal bash
[13:39] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: stay with the  version from the repos as well !  don't get from their website
[13:39] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: sudo apt-get install wine
[13:39] <zomaar> JTech: By the way
[13:40] <zomaar> JTech: The ISO contains a squashfs filesystem that I think is bootable
[13:40] <zomaar> JTech: You could just copy the Squashfs (mounted) to a new rootfs
[13:40] <slipttees> TJ-: :'(
[13:40] <vonnojimon> i will try now and past the output
[13:40] <zomaar> JTech: Then chroot into it and install grub
[13:40] <sebsebsebb> !pastebin
[13:40] <slipttees> zomaar: libata.force=1.5G,noncq
[13:40] <slipttees> zomaar: not work!
[13:41] <JTech> zomaar, sorry, I don't understand any of that. chroot from what?
[13:41] <MacroMan> Today apt decided to "upgrade" linux-image-generic to 4.13.0-26-generic. It's done this on 3 of my machines. What's going on?
[13:41] <zomaar> slipttees: So it is not the harddisk probably...
[13:41] <zomaar> JTech: Mount the ISO. Then go into the ISO into the casper directory or similar
[13:41] <MacroMan> Isn't it currently version 4.4.0-109-generic
[13:41] <zomaar> JTech: You find a Squashfs image file there
[13:42] <zomaar> JTech: Then mount the squashfs from the mounted iso using mount squahfs_filename /mnt2
[13:42] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/y8h6oMyJkN8cO
[13:42] <JTech> zomaar, from what? Debian? grub2? something else?
[13:43] <zomaar> JTech: From within Debian
[13:43] <JTech> I found the casper directory
[13:43] <TJ-> slipttees: give me a few minutes to do some research. Is the laptop using the original HP specification? NOt changed disks/SDDs/controllers or anything like that which could impact device discovery?
[13:43] <vonnojimon> wine has no installation candidate
[13:43] <JTech> I see filesystem.squashfs
[13:43] <angry_route> hi guys, sorry to bother if this has already been answered, does anyone running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS has applied the intel-microcode patch and run this script? https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker
[13:43] <slipttees> TJ-: OEM
[13:43] <zomaar> That's it
[13:43] <zomaar> I think it contains a runnable system
[13:43] <zomaar> But I am not entirely sure
[13:44] <zomaar> It has a functioning dpkg etc
[13:44] <angry_route> I'm using the generic image kernel and I'm ok for Meltdown, but Variant 1 and 2 are still vulnerable, do I need to recompile the kernel?
[13:44] <slipttees> TJ-: replace only display, my son broken!
[13:45] <TJ-> slipttees: OK, let me do some research. Is the PC currently at the Emergency recovery shell ?
[13:45] <JTech> zomaar, I don't know how to mount this. do I mount filesystem.squashfs /mnt2 ?
[13:46] <zomaar> mkdir /mnt2; mount filesystem.squashfs /mnt2 is enough
[13:46] <JTech> there's also a filesystem.squashfs.gpg
[13:46] <slipttees> TJ-: boot up 8 min so far. wait done
[13:46] <JTech> where do I mkdir /mnt2 ?
[13:47] <zomaar> JTech: You just need a place to mount it right
[13:47] <zomaar> JTech: So anything will do
[13:47] <zomaar> JTech: sudo mkdir /mnt2; sudo mount filesystem.squashfs /mnt2
[13:48] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: yes sudo apt-get install wine
[13:48] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: so it gets from repos
[13:48] <sebsebsebb> !repos
[13:48] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: then install the latest thing if it asks  for options
[13:48] <sebsebsebb> like in your pastebin
[13:50] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/P1hvXx5Aw9Yul
[13:50] <TJ-> slipttees: If you press the Enter key, do you get a root shell you can type commands at?
[13:50] <JTech> zomaar, ok. I managed to mount it. ....
[13:51] <vonnojimon> i dont know what to do after it mentions
[13:51] <navid> :|
[13:51] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/BghPK4lZXqWcY
[13:51] <zomaar> JTech: You *CAN* install this to a fresh partition by just copying it there
[13:51] <zomaar> JTech: You are able to handle that right?
[13:51] <slipttees> TJ-: i can use, only i need wait 10 ou 15 min boot kk
[13:52] <pizzaburger> Hi! Is there a tool to help determine why my system is lagging? I just did a fresh install of a relatively lightweight distro and it seems to be very choppy. ~25% RAM being used.
[13:52] <zomaar> TJ-: It enters an emergency shell because it takes too long
[13:52] <vonnojimon> i try the command sudo apt-get install winehq-stable 2.0.4~artful
[13:52] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: ok I see the issue, looks like they have changed the names of the packages a bit
[13:52] <JTech> zomaar, I know generally about creating partitions...
[13:52] <zomaar> TJ-: I had this myself, often it only required entering and logging out again, because it had already found the devices by then
[13:52] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: you want winehq stable it seems
[13:53] <TJ-> zomaar: yes, I know. I'm trying to find out if slipttees can get to the shell before the commmands time out.
[13:53] <JTech> zomaar, so no need to format or anything?
[13:53] <JTech> I just bought these new storage devices.
[13:53] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/GZhW4MLjDmJhV
[13:53] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: no thats the wine version and  the ubuntu releease in there to, that won't work, try this. sudo apt-get install winehq-stable
[13:53] <vonnojimon> thisis what i get
[13:53] <navid> Hi
[13:53] <zomaar> JTech: Oh I thought that because you had Debian installed it would be easier for you
[13:54] <TJ-> zomaar: slipttees It would be best to figure out why it's failing if possible. slipttees try this command "blkid /dev/sd??" and if you see results please take a photograph and upload it for us
[13:54] <zomaar> JTech: You are saying you have a new spare disk available?
[13:54] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/qjhLN57lrOMIB
[13:54] <vonnojimon> it throws this then about broken dependancies
[13:54] <zomaar> JTech: This is still not a bootable, easy installer, and the ISO method still will work if you want everything to be easy
[13:54] <JTech> zomaar, a new HDD, new SDD, and a half dead HDD with Debian on the non-dead partition.
[13:54] <slipttees> TJ-: ok. take a while.. boot up Mauha
[13:55] <CITYCAT> hi
[13:55] <TJ-> slipttees: OK :)
[13:55] <zomaar> JTech: But IF this works, you will at least have a running system after a few manual steps
[13:55] <slipttees> Meow CITYCAT
[13:55] <slipttees> :-p
[13:55] <CITYCAT> mewo
[13:55] <JTech> zomaar, yeah. I imagine running the ISO would be easier since it has tools for setting  up partitions and stuff.
[13:55] <TJ-> slipttees:  if that command does NOT return any information try this one instead: "cat /proc/partitions"
[13:55] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: broken packages hopefully not, but if so can be solved,  try this:  sudo apt-get install wine-stable
[13:55] <zomaar> JTech: You can't use another computer to install on the SDD/HDD, like your laptop, and then later transplant it to your desktop?
[13:55] <Radkos> hello does anyone knows why my ubuntu 14.04 installation doesn't care about my power settings - I'm on laptop I've configured setting when clossing lid - on ac to 'do nothing' and on battery to 'suspend' but everytime I close the lid on ac it suspends
[13:56] <slipttees> TJ-: Do you want to remote access here?
[13:56] <Radkos> If i enter the guest session and change the default settings the same occurs
[13:56] <vonnojimon> not working
[13:56] <JTech> zomaar, I can't imagine how I would manage to plug an internal HDD and SDD into a laptop.
[13:56] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: whats output
[13:56] <zomaar> JTech: All you need for the laptop is some SATA->USB device
[13:56] <vonnojimon> same msg broken dependenc
[13:56] <vonnojimon> ies
[13:56] <zomaar> JTech: External enclosure
[13:56] <TJ-> slipttees: How is that possible, do you have network KVM?
[13:56] <CITYCAT> ::::(((
[13:56] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: ok pastebin the whole lot
[13:56] <zomaar> JTech: Or simple SATA -> USB bridge
[13:57] <JTech> I have an external HD. but I don't think I can disassemble the case on it.
[13:57] <slipttees> TJ-: nope :(
[13:57] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/LghN91Yvqq0cZ
[13:57] <JTech> plus the USB connector on it is super loose.
[13:57] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: soetiem it suggests a fix command if the depdenencies break or package manager
[13:57] <vonnojimon> thanks aye
[13:57] <zomaar> JTech: Then you can only do the ISO method, or copy this thing
[13:57] <sebsebsebb> sometimes
[13:57] <JonelethIrenicus> anyone else having issues with the nvidia 387 driver?
[13:58] <vonnojimon> not this time
[13:58] <vonnojimon> well i didnt see one
[13:58] <zomaar> JTech: That requires partitioning (cfdisk) and making a filesystem (mkfs.ext4)
[13:58] <JTech> zomaar, which of the two requires that? both?
[13:58] <zomaar> JTech: The copy method
[13:59] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: you are putting in the commands wrong stil by the looks of it
[13:59] <JTech> is the ISO method harder to set up?
[13:59] <zomaar> JTech: connect a new harddisk and type lsblk to find it
[13:59] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: you don't want the wine version number,  or the artful ubuntu version stuff in there, in any of the comands at all
[13:59] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: with those in there, it won't work
[13:59] <zomaar> JTech: Harder to get going but easier to complete
[13:59] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: sudo apt-get install wine-stable
[13:59] <sebsebsebb> try that
[13:59] <sebsebsebb> again
[14:00] <zomaar> JTech: Do you want automatic partitioning (entire disk) or manual setup?
[14:00] <sebsebsebb> and like that, nothing else in it, copy paste: sudo apt-get install wine-stable
[14:00] <zomaar> JTech: You can still go back to trying the ISO
[14:00] <vonnojimon> okay here goes
[14:01] <zomaar> JTech: Automatic setup allows simple LVM, or LVM with encryption
[14:01] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/Vmh0yAPY7O1I4
[14:01] <vonnojimon> my output new terminal
[14:01] <vonnojimon> copy and pasted ur command
[14:01] <JTech> zomaar, I don't really know. is one of them easier to screw up with partitions? I wouldn't want to delete this half dead HD because I think I can still get all my files.
[14:01] <Includes08> is there anyway i can make the battery of my laptop more lasting?
[14:02] <JTech> what's LVM?
[14:02] <Includes08> i mean 3 hours im sure i can pull 8 hours
[14:02] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: what command did you put in there
[14:02] <zomaar> JTech: If you have to ask that I would probably suggest automatic, because it is not so easy to screw up with partitions ;-)
[14:02] <slipttees> TJ-: still wait boot up Muahauhau
[14:02] <Includes08> idk how i can see if its using my gpu or intelgpu
[14:02] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: looks like you may actasully have broekn depdenancies too, but that can be fixed
[14:02] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/58hg9GWl2QZSv
[14:02] <zomaar> JTech: But just run "lsblk" first after you have connected the target harddrive
[14:02] <vonnojimon> how lol
[14:03] <zomaar> JTech: On what harddrive do you have the ISO?
[14:03] <vonnojimon> is it likely i did that while in the software and updates removing ppa's
[14:03] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: via commands, not sure actsually,  via graphical I have more of an idea on hwo probably
[14:03] <JTech> zomaar,  looks like... sdd
[14:03] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: and yes ppa's can conflict mess up stuff at times too
[14:03] <zomaar> JTech: did you just connect it?
[14:04] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: did you ever try to install wine from a ppa ?
[14:04] <vonnojimon> ok lets do it gui style
[14:04] <vonnojimon> yes
[14:04] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: yes if you hae installed wine from the ppa, from the website, it can cause problems
[14:04] <Includes08> vonnojimon, i didn't follow what is your problem :p
[14:04] <zomaar> JTech: you can type dmesg | tail to verify it was the latest device
[14:04] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: someone had this same issue or similar at my  Linux User Group in November actsually, but someone else helped her then
[14:04] <zomaar> JTech: You can also run "sudo blkid /dev/sdd" to verify the size
[14:05] <vonnojimon> how can i get wine installed now really need it :(
[14:05] <zomaar> JTech: Then you can run "sudo cfdisk /dev/sdd" to get an easy menu
[14:05] <vonnojimon> dont care how i go about it terminal or GUI
[14:05] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: if your package manager is totally broken, it may not even let you install other things,  but you could try .  sudo apt-get install syaptic.  nice old gui program, that can help fix your broken dependancies I expect still to
[14:05] <Includes08> for what you need wine vonnojimon
[14:05] <zomaar> JTech: If you want encryption, I would stop now and get back to the ISO method
[14:06] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: looks like vonnojimon  has installed wine from the ppa, which is now causing problems
[14:06] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: so repos version isn't working to get installed
[14:06] <JTech> zomaar, sure.
[14:06] <Includes08> okay well first step vonnojimon
[14:06] <vonnojimon> omg it aint working
[14:06] <zomaar> JTech: Otherwise I can guide you through copying the filesystem, generating locales and creating a user, but the iSO is still easier
[14:06] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: yeah pastebin that
[14:06] <Includes08> sudo apt-get purge wine
[14:06] <Includes08> start clean
[14:07] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/wjh0x1RElBYiv
[14:07] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: yeah you could try sudo apt-get purgge wine
[14:07] <zomaar> JTech: Then you must first copy the ISO to the USB stick *as a file*
[14:07] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: you got other suggestions if that won't work :D ?
[14:07] <Includes08> especially if you have dependency problems i would start fresh
[14:07] <Includes08> yeh i wanna know how he tried it :)
[14:07] <zomaar> JTech: Then within Debian copy it to a harddisk
[14:07] <JTech> i meant to try encryption on this but dropped it. didn't even confirm if password management was like... complicated or a security risk or what.
[14:07] <zomaar> JTech: Copy it to the root of your debian /
[14:07] <Includes08> vonnojimon, cna you do a sudo apt update for me?
[14:08] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/Elh1xD6woZjhm
[14:08] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: no that's ok for synaptic, its probably actsually in a optional repo that would have to be enabled, before it can be installed
[14:08] <sebsebsebb> !synaptic
[14:08] <Includes08> wait you're running start clean xD ok ok xD
[14:08] <Includes08> i'm done
[14:08] <zomaar> JTech: There is no password management
[14:09] <vonnojimon> will do
[14:09] <sebsebsebb> !dependancies
[14:09] <sebsebsebb> hmm
[14:09] <Includes08> !dependencies
[14:09] <sebsebsebb> no
[14:09] <Includes08> no?
[14:09] <sebsebsebb> thought bot might have something for broken dendancies
[14:09] <zomaar> JTech: You just have to remember it or write it down
[14:09] <sebsebsebb> or package manager
[14:09] <Includes08> !broken dependencies
[14:09] <Includes08> nope ;P
[14:09] <Includes08> nada
[14:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: if you instal ppa's in general
[14:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: any ppa, it can later mess other stuff up
[14:10] <JTech> zomaar, but isn't it best if your pasword is a long random string of characters? or like, is there some process by which an easier-to-remember password is converted into that?
[14:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: so its best to only stay with software from repos, unless you have a proper reason to install a ppa
[14:10] <Includes08> vonnojimon, sebsebsebb join #123456789
[14:10] <zomaar> JTech: Although you can add more passwords (that would work) or keys (as files)
[14:10] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: why what's that ?
[14:10] <sebsebsebb> !ppa
[14:10] <Includes08> just a random empty channel so i can follow from the beginning :P
[14:10] <alkisg> (03:15:51 μμ) slipttees: alkisg: ping ==> yup?
[14:11] <zomaar> JTech: If you fully encrypt your system, you will have to enter the password while booting
[14:11] <vonnojimon> ok
[14:11] <JTech> maybe that's what I'm thinking of. an easy to remember password for a key which is a long random string of characters.
[14:11] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: there's not much to ffollow,  vonnojimon  has borken depdnancies since tried to install from the wine ppa, something went wrong, now repos stuff not installing to, or giving errors
[14:11] <vonnojimon> will keep in mind for future ref
[14:12] <zomaar> JTech: Undoable
[14:12] <JTech> is it safe to leave your system unencrypted while it accesses encrypted files?
[14:12] <Includes08> which version are you running first of all? vonnojimon
[14:12] <slipttees> alkisg: new problem rsrsrs i have hp pavilion x360, I install ubuntu 16.04.3, 17.10 and 18.04 UEFI or legacy and have same problem. boot up very very very very slow more 10 minutes. I did upload images and video for help me fix this. Thanks a lot image1: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJ9vSo7d9R image2: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwJeD8vRF7e image3: https://imagebin.ca/v/3nwkfZaZGP5P video:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nlmUX08-Dl0pG6ODM
[14:12] <zomaar> JTech: The encryption headers are already that
[14:12] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/zmh8q2mVxq7sZ
[14:12] <alkisg> slipttees: does it happen with a live cd?
[14:12] <vonnojimon> sorry what do you mean of linux or wine
[14:12] <Includes08> linux
[14:12] <slipttees> alkisg: No
[14:12] <zomaar> JTech: Not extremely
[14:12] <Includes08> seems like the ppa is broken tbh
[14:13] <alkisg> slipttees: so the live cds run fast, and when you install, it goes very slow?
[14:13] <zomaar> JTech: passwords or redundant files can get scattered across the unencrypted filesystem
[14:13] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: yeah the ppa didn't work I guess,  so no wine. and then rpeos not happy since depenandy stuff
[14:13] <slipttees> alkisg:Yes
[14:13] <alkisg> slipttees: then maybe the disk has issues?
[14:13] <zomaar> JTech: But let's get back to installing, this is going too far
[14:13] <zomaar> JTech: You need the ISO as a file on your harddisk if you want that
[14:13] <JTech> oh right.
[14:13] <zomaar> JTech: So the laptop has to copy it to the USB as a file
[14:13] <Includes08> okay vonnojimon follow me
[14:14] <Includes08> sudo apt-get purge wine
[14:14] <slipttees> alkisg: ill check
[14:14] <vonnojimon> im ready
[14:14] <JTech> I think I need to format this USB stick again so I can copy the ISO as a file.
[14:14] <zomaar> JTech: And then you have to copy it to either the existing half-dead HDD, or to the new HDD
[14:14] <JTech> let's see if I can remember how I did that an hour or two ago.
[14:14] <vonnojimon> what next
[14:14] <Includes08> this will remove everything related to wine that you've installed
[14:14] <Includes08> next
[14:14] <Includes08> sudo apt-add-repository
[14:14] <Includes08> no wait
[14:14] <vonnojimon> lmao
[14:14] <Includes08> sudo apt-add-repository 'https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu'
[14:14] <vonnojimon> loves it
[14:14] <Includes08> that :)
[14:15] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: Includes08  no
[14:15] <Includes08> why not ?
[14:15] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: Includes08   that's teh ppa, and that's cuased the problems in the first place it seems !
[14:15] <vonnojimon> lmfao
[14:15] <Includes08> i know but i want him to start fresh
[14:15] <vonnojimon> i have
[14:15] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: more like reove teh ppa stuff
[14:15] <Includes08> and start from the first error he gets
[14:15] <Includes08> hmm
[14:15] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: then sudo apt-get wine-stable
[14:15] <sebsebsebb> from repos
[14:16] <Includes08> he could do that
[14:16] <sebsebsebb> that's what want to do
[14:16] <Includes08> well as he has purged
[14:16] <Includes08> do this
[14:16] <Includes08> sudo apt-get wine-stable
[14:16] <Includes08> :)
[14:16] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: try the purget
[14:16] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: try too purge it ight not just remove it all
[14:16] <sebsebsebb> but worth a try
[14:16] <JTech> .... I don't remember. was there an easy way of formatting it with "disks" without making sure I unmount without ejecting?
[14:17] <TRer> Hello
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: sudo apt-get purge wine
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> try taht
[14:17] <Includes08> he already did :p
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> TRer: hi
[14:17] <zomaar> JTech: On the laptop or debian?
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> zomaar: did it work to purge ?
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon:
[14:17] <vonnojimon> nah man
[14:17] <JTech> I don't know how this can be so exhausting when I'm not learning anything. I guess just banging my head against info for 10-11 hours is sufficient.
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> pastebin
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: pastebin output
[14:18] <jnhghy> Hi, I have a laptop that has to mount nfs drives, I tried autofs but when the demon is I can't login with any users ( like after a restart ) I can do it in command line and the drives are mounted but can't in GUI, anyone has any clue about it?
[14:18] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: actsaully pastebin everything absoutly everything so  Includes08  can also see
[14:18] <JTech> zomaar, laptop. I'm trying to get the files to Debian.
[14:19] <zomaar> JTech: Then the stick is not mounted in the laptop right now right
[14:19] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/BghPK4lrADNHY
[14:19] <zomaar> Or is it
[14:19] <Includes08> ill take a look :)
[14:19] <JTech> zomaar, it's mounted.
[14:19] <zomaar> It was actually easier to copy the install and get a base system running, but yeah
[14:19] <zomaar> Okay
[14:19] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: oh its messed up for sure
[14:20] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: but fisable some how :d
[14:20] <vonnojimon> sorry?
[14:20] <zomaar> There is probably a system tray menu in your system where you can unmount
[14:20] <Includes08> well kinda sebsebsebb but i don't think its a big problem
[14:20] <JTech> oh crap. I forgot the command to run disks.
[14:20] <Includes08> its just hard to tell when i can't ssh in or anything xD
[14:20] <zomaar> JTech: gnome-disks
[14:20] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: things are messed up from installing the ppa, but fixable
[14:20] <JTech> zomaar, I just can't remember which program I used to format, and whehther it required unmounting.
[14:21] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: no its just running a few comands, the correct commands, and starting over from the repo wine, but I am not sure the comands to fix the mess
[14:21] <Includes08> well purge should fix a whole lot but it doesn't seem like it
[14:21] <Includes08> wait
[14:21] <vonnojimon> im all ears but let me know what and when
[14:22] <vonnojimon> while u2 work out a plan
[14:22] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: no it's all on Includes08  now :d
[14:22] <vonnojimon> lol
[14:22] <Includes08> okay try to install this
[14:22] <zomaar> JTech: Maybe go to sleep lol
[14:22] <Includes08> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[14:22] <Includes08> i want logs of the install :)
[14:22] <vonnojimon> okay
[14:22] <sebsebsebb> oh ppa purge
[14:22] <Includes08> this is my last bet
[14:22] <Includes08> yeh it removes everything related to a ppa
[14:22] <sebsebsebb> a package to remove a ppa hmm
[14:22] <sebsebsebb> !info ppa-purge
[14:23] <JTech> zomaar, yeah. I'm pretty wasted. I underestimated how badly I could fail at this.
[14:23] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: ok bingo try that for sure
[14:23] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: and pastebin output
[14:23] <vonnojimon> done
[14:23] <Includes08> show me ;)
[14:23] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhzqByWN1NtV
[14:23] <zomaar> JTech: Insert the usb stick and do dmesg | tail to see what name it got
[14:24] <zomaar> JTech: then do sudo umount name
[14:24] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon:  ok and now got to remove the ppa using that
[14:24] <sebsebsebb> some how
[14:24] <vonnojimon> o shit how dude
[14:24] <Includes08> wait
[14:24] <vonnojimon> and what do i need to get rid of
[14:24] <sebsebsebb> the wine ppa
[14:24] <Includes08> sudo ppa-purge ubuntu-wine
[14:24] <zomaar> JTech: But I have to quit this
[14:24] <Includes08> :) i think like that?
[14:24] <Includes08> just output what you get
[14:25] <vonnojimon> dont leave me wait pls
[14:25] <zomaar> JTech: I assumed your level of skill would be higher because you had Debian installed
[14:25] <Includes08> idk how the ppa was called you've installed ^^'
[14:25] <Includes08> i won't leave you don't worry
[14:25] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/RghnWLgLErYhz
[14:25] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: you will for a new boy friend :d
[14:25] <sebsebsebb> h eh
[14:25] <vonnojimon> lolz
[14:26] <Includes08> wooooww
[14:26] <vonnojimon> dude im noob
[14:26] <vonnojimon> only linux for 6month
[14:26] <vonnojimon> s
[14:26] <zomaar> JTech: I can only ask you to get the ISO on any of the harddisks (not the one you are installing on) and then follow that tutorial
[14:26] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: well keep away from ppas for now, that's the moral of the story :d
[14:27] <Includes08> doesn't matter :) i do it for like 10+ years its just i prefer centos/ any kernel related to that or arch
[14:27] <vonnojimon> for sure
[14:27] <Includes08> ppa's are not dangerous tho
[14:27] <sebsebsebb> Includes08  they can be depends what it is, and they can mess the package manager up a bit like now
[14:27] <Includes08> give me a second my love
[14:27] <Includes08> i'm looking for a script
[14:27] <vonnojimon> r ppas maintained kept up to date
[14:27] <sebsebsebb> !love
[14:27] <sebsebsebb> they used to hae one for love it was great
[14:27] <vonnojimon> no worries
[14:27] <Includes08> okay vonnojimon here we go again
[14:28] <Includes08> sudo apt install python3-apt
[14:28] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/8qhOqRwoqNnu0
[14:28] <sebsebsebb> sebsebseb
[14:28] <vonnojimon> got it already
[14:28] <Includes08> whoops xD
[14:28] <Includes08> nice
[14:28] <Includes08> wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/davidfoerster/apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries/master/apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries.py
[14:28] <Includes08> :)
[14:29] <Includes08> do that
[14:29] <vonnojimon> but python 3
[14:29] <Includes08> tell me when don
[14:29] <vonnojimon> 1.4.0~beta3build2)
[14:29] <Includes08> python can run nice scripts :P
[14:29] <Includes08> did you download it?
[14:29] <Includes08> the wget command did you do it?
[14:30] <vonnojimon> soz will do got lost catching up reading
[14:30] <vonnojimon> cant see whole command
[14:30] <rek>  hi everyone... i open for example firefox with gnome-terminal in my ubuntu fluxbox session  then i lock or let the screen lock with xscreensaver and i logout my teamviewer session from the remote machine i'm talking about.... the problem is when i come back everytime the application i opened with the terminal is closed....in my working area i don't see anymore the terminal....what could be the issue?
[14:30] <vonnojimon> ends at remove...
[14:31] <vonnojimon> no
[14:31] <vonnojimon> pls repeat command or pastebin it
[14:31] <Includes08> wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/davidfoerster/apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries/master/apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries.py
[14:31] <Includes08> hmm wait ill patebin it
[14:31] <sebsebsebb> rek:  hmm
[14:32] <sebsebsebb> rek: maybe xcreensaver cauess it to close but probably not really
[14:32] <Includes08> https://pastebin.com/C6Vqn870 vonnojimon
[14:32] <LTCD> Hey. I opened virtualbox, but I am unable to start any VMs :'-(. Here are full details: https://pastebin.com/hzvy8wCQ
[14:32] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/y8h6oMLzmQlCO
[14:32] <sebsebsebb> rek:  or it loses it, since you opended Firefox up from the terminal
[14:32] <sebsebsebb> rek:  then you got it closed on the remote connect, so it closes firefox down
[14:32] <Includes08> you forgot to put     wget     infront of it
[14:32] <Includes08> vonnojimon,
[14:32]  * Includes08 hugs sebsebsebb 
[14:33] <vonnojimon> lol
[14:33] <sebsebsebb> Includes08:  why ?
[14:33] <vonnojimon> wait there
[14:33] <vonnojimon> cpy pst error
[14:33] <Includes08> you're my boyfriend sebsebsebb
[14:33] <Includes08> nah vonnojimon thats PEBKAC
[14:33] <sebsebsebb> rek: if you run programs from a terminal, and it then later closes,   that terinal, be that on the same computer, or via a remote connect,  then yeah firefox or whatever is running from it, should close too
[14:34] <Includes08> done vonnojimon
[14:34] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: if your a woman from around here, and right kind of age, I may be interested, if not uhmmm sorry try vonnojimon   instead :D
[14:34] <Includes08> xD
[14:34] <Includes08> threesome with vonnojimon sebsebsebb xD
[14:34] <vonnojimon> lol
[14:35] <vonnojimon> not workin guys
[14:35] <Includes08> vonnojimon, did you do that command yet?
[14:35] <Includes08> how is wget not working
[14:35] <Includes08> https://pastebin.com/C6Vqn870
[14:35] <Includes08> did you copy all that and do it
[14:35] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/xGhmvAxJ5OguM
[14:35] <Includes08> oh you already downloaded it lol xD
[14:35] <Includes08> like more then once
[14:35] <Includes08> now do this
[14:35] <Includes08> chmod +x apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries.py
[14:36] <Includes08> done?
[14:36] <Includes08> then do
[14:36] <Includes08> sudo ./apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries.py
[14:36] <Includes08> let me know how it goes
[14:37] <Includes08> you just have to run them once :) and paste it to me
[14:37] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/DRhjAV3joJZSy
[14:37] <vonnojimon> i think that worked
[14:37] <vonnojimon> didnt it
[14:38] <Includes08> oh thats even worse then i thought wait let me go back to one of your old pastes
[14:38] <vonnojimon> what u think gys
[14:38] <sebsebsebb>  vonnojimon looks like that worked
[14:38] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, he has duplicated errors, ubuntu says so
[14:38] <vonnojimon> thanks
[14:38] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: yeah
[14:38] <vonnojimon> dam
[14:38] <Includes08> if that script cant find it i don't think it worked at all
[14:38] <vonnojimon> mmmm
[14:39] <Includes08> ugh
[14:39] <vonnojimon> what do you recommend fresh install
[14:39] <Includes08> no
[14:39] <vonnojimon> sad but not the end of the world
[14:39] <hhh> Hello, does anyone know if I run "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda", with sda being my currently mounted drive, will the command finish properly? I'm trying to do a "live wipe" of the drive which has been failing, to make any kind of recovery harder when drive gets replaced. Thanks!
[14:39] <Includes08> install teamviewer :)
[14:39] <Includes08> will be quicker as i don't have much time
[14:40] <vonnojimon> thats a bit wide open dont you think
[14:40] <sebsebsebb> hhh: uh dev/sda is the hard disk
[14:40] <hhh> yes
[14:40] <sebsebsebb> usually
[14:40] <hhh> I am trying to wipe it
[14:40] <Includes08> how you mean vonnojimon ?
[14:40] <vonnojimon> security
[14:40] <sebsebsebb> hhh: thats the master hard disk the one you would be using
[14:40] <sebsebsebb> the first hard disk
[14:40] <Includes08> you can remove it after :)
[14:40] <hhh> indeed. I want it dead.
[14:40] <Includes08> you don't have to paste the details in this chat ill send you a private message
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> hhh: well I guess you could try that command then
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> nto sure if it will workthough
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> but looks like it may
[14:41] <Includes08> but i'm sure me helping you while i can do things to see whats actually wrong goes faster then 100000 pastes haha
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> hhh: although rpobably better from a live cd maybe still to do that
[14:41] <hhh> yeah, was wondering if anyone knew for sure. don't want to start it and have it fail half way through :) as box is on other side of the country, kinda got one shot for it
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> hhh: just since I guess once enough of the os is gone, it's going to crash otherwise. also why not just delete teh partion from a live cd or something ?
[14:41] <Includes08> https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/ vonnojimon
[14:41] <akik> hhh: use /dev/zero instead of /dev/urandom and add bs=1M
[14:42] <hhh> why zero? isn't urandom better for anti-forensics if someone recovers the trashed drive?
[14:42] <Includes08> vonnojimon, i send you a pm
[14:42] <vonnojimon> much as i want to i cant run with teamviewer
[14:42] <akik> hhh: i've read that writing zeroes works as good
[14:42] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: if you trust him, but Includes08  might be a maliocus cracker
[14:43] <zomaar> hhh: In general "shred" will do what you want
[14:43] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, he was about to reinstall anyway :P so what does he have to loose.
[14:43] <zomaar> hhh: "shred -n0 -z /dev/sda" will only write zeroes
[14:43] <zomaar> hhh: "shred -n1 /dev/sda" will write random (once)
[14:43] <Includes08> if vonnojimon is a hacker sebsebsebb teamviewer might backfire ;P
[14:43] <vonnojimon> i need  this thing fixd bt i am very aware of the damage anyone could cause
[14:43] <vonnojimon> lol
[14:43] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: no you
[14:43] <Includes08> vonnojimon, i don't think i can cause more damage then you already did xD
[14:43] <vonnojimon> i just socially engineered u righto
[14:44] <zomaar> hhh: But your unrandom command will also work
[14:44] <vonnojimon> ha ha ha lmfao
[14:44] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: if victorbjelkholm  is something like that, then yeah thew hwole of team viewer may blow up with broken pageks all over its Linux servers :D
[14:44] <zomaar> hhh: Just fine
[14:44] <hhh> ok, thanks all!
[14:44] <Includes08> hahhaha sebsebsebb
[14:44] <vonnojimon> what was the command
[14:44] <Includes08> what command vonnojimon ?
[14:44] <Includes08> you mean the link xD
[14:44] <Includes08> https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/
[14:44] <vonnojimon> ur random command i never saw it
[14:45] <Includes08> i don't have any random command though xD
[14:45] <vonnojimon> soz read wrong convo
[14:45] <vonnojimon> about hd
[14:45] <vonnojimon> lolz
[14:45] <vonnojimon> this is hillarious
[14:46] <sebsebsebb> akik: it was you earlier I think?  so I used a old usb and made a new with rufus, but same proble still uh
[14:46] <akik> vonnojimon: you can use /lastlog random to see previous messsages
[14:46] <sebsebsebb> akik: I wonder if someting is wrong with the 16.04.3 iso and this lap top
[14:46] <sebsebsebb> say a new kernel or something
[14:46] <vonnojimon> so no fixy aye not without teamviewer
[14:46] <Includes08> yeh well i can keep on trying to explain :P but then we might be 3 hours later.
[14:47] <akik> sebsebsebb: sorry i haven't followed your discussion
[14:47] <Includes08> next to that its either teamviewer or ssh, with teamviewer you can see what i do with ssh you can't thats why i choose carefully for teamviewer ;P
[14:47] <sebsebsebb> akik: oh it was someone else with an a name earalier ?
[14:47] <vonnojimon> lets try pls
[14:47] <akik> sebsebsebb: upi
[14:47] <akik> sebsebsebb: you've talked to vonnojimon a lot
[14:47] <sebsebsebb> hi ioria
[14:47] <sebsebsebb> akik: no before that
[14:48] <Includes08> idk what more to try then dive through your sources files and lists
[14:48] <sebsebsebb> akik: I was here with my own issue orignally
[14:48] <vonnojimon> u jelly
[14:48] <Includes08> and see where it went wrong
[14:48] <vonnojimon> ?lols
[14:48] <akik> sebsebsebb: or alkisg
[14:48] <Includes08> cause i'm a CLI user not a GUI user xD
[14:48] <sebsebsebb> yeah alkisg  that was probably it
[14:48] <Includes08> and you sound like a GUI user and a CLI noob :p
[14:48] <Includes08> to easily explain thehe
[14:48] <vonnojimon> lmao
[14:49] <vonnojimon> this is better than springer
[14:49] <sebsebsebb> turns out both vonnojimon   and Includes08  about 15 years of age  mentally anyway, and on that jerry springer epsidoe, everyone is going jerry jerry jerrry 10  times anyway.  it's about the afair that was mentioend earlier breaking edowdn, werid tv
[14:50] <Includes08> i'm a kernel level nerd :3 i know the deepest part of the os ^^' atleast for centos and arch. But ubuntu doesn't have that much difference imo
[14:50] <vonnojimon> yes i am a kid brain
[14:50] <vonnojimon> ill admit it
[14:50] <Includes08> 15 years mentally? i won't admit that
[14:50] <Includes08> maybe just a little ;P
[14:50] <vonnojimon> i also find other things interesting but i am primal
[14:50] <vonnojimon> in many ways
[14:51] <Includes08> i'm from the msn messenger age :3 thats why i use cheap emoticons in IRC
[14:51] <vonnojimon> an id say closer to 10
[14:51] <vonnojimon> mentally
[14:51]  * sebsebsebb will not use rufus to test bad blocks on a usb so easilly, taking way too long
[14:51] <sebsebsebb> again i mean
[14:51] <sebsebsebb> k vonnojimon
[14:51] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, etcher works just as good and goes way quicker :)
[14:51] <vonnojimon> lol me too
[14:51] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: no it didn't work
[14:52] <Includes08> i prefer the dd command though cause that beats every speed
[14:52] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: etehcer didn't even burn 16.04.3 properly
[14:52] <Includes08> weird
[14:52] <sebsebsebb> I tried that  first, then unetbootin,  now done refus, and same issue
[14:52] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, aslong as you don't use lili or unetbootin
[14:52] <Includes08> :) those are creepy and dangerous
[14:52] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: I thought it said 88 orngally 1988 but then saw its 08, so yes msn msenger age
[14:52] <vonnojimon> so what is possible to fix my issue ppl
[14:53] <vonnojimon> anything or is it a fresh install
[14:53] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: whats lilli ?
[14:53] <vonnojimon> 82
[14:53] <Includes08> kinda like unetbootin but bigger xD
[14:53] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: its weird yeah, since  if it jsut comes up with grub, but won't go to try ubuntu option reglardess or antying else.
[14:53] <vonnojimon> i was 6then
[14:53] <Includes08> hey msn messenger is from the 90's!
[14:53] <vonnojimon> o yeah
[14:53] <Includes08> i'm a early 90's kiddo
[14:53] <vonnojimon> b4 fb
[14:54] <vonnojimon> during doom in form class
[14:54] <vonnojimon> days
[14:54] <vonnojimon> loved that game
[14:54] <akik> sebsebsebb: rufus has a dd write mode which you can access by pressing alt-i once after starting rufus
[14:54] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: I just suspect maybe some updates in the iso has caused a problem.  was treading something about new kernel and intel hardware on  releasete notes,   but i don't know.     I mean I used to haev 16.04 and what not on this lap top, before new motherboard and hard disk
[14:54] <vonnojimon> 17.10
[14:54] <akik> sebsebsebb: it'll say "disabling iso support"
[14:54] <sebsebsebb> akik: yes but iso mode seems to mostly work, I did see it has dd mode too though a few differnet ways to burn
[14:54] <vonnojimon> was on 16.04
[14:54] <vonnojimon> upgraded
[14:54] <vonnojimon> 17.10
[14:55] <zomaar> Yay, I upgraded KDE to that of Yakkety and now the GTK tooltip font bug is gone
[14:55] <Includes08> ah well :) my bios doesn't let me do anything i have to stick with shitty ubuntu till intel merges my push ^^' see you in 1 year.
[14:55] <sebsebsebb> akik: or is it better to burn in dd mode on refus ?
[14:55] <Includes08> "Though the term dates from the 1990s, instant messaging predates the Internet" i'm from the IM era
[14:55] <akik> sebsebsebb: the best would be to use dd on linux but the second best might be the dd mode in rufus
[14:55] <sebsebsebb> akik: I don't have any working Linux right now
[14:55] <Includes08> the dd mode in rufus works pretty good yeh :)
[14:55] <vonnojimon> which when exactly
[14:56] <sebsebsebb> akik: hence refus, I don't use Windows for fun :d
[14:56] <vonnojimon> is
[14:56] <Includes08> vonnojimon, doom in classes or quake xD
[14:56] <vonnojimon> o shit wolfenstein
[14:56] <Includes08> xD
[14:56] <vonnojimon> and doom i think
[14:56] <sebsebsebb> akik: does it matter about the like mbr and uefi,  or  gpt only options, i mean a efw little options for that in refus, i was thinking try  gpt mode only next
[14:56] <Includes08> oh and don't forget unreal tournament
[14:56] <sebsebsebb> akik: I don't need the stick to work with windows xp like it warns
[14:57] <akik> sebsebsebb: the dd mode just writes the iso on the usb stick as with dd in linux
[14:57] <Includes08> nah sebsebsebb the first option is good just put it in dd mode
[14:57] <sebsebsebb> what's the difference on refus between iso mode and dd then ?
[14:58] <vonnojimon> i have had issues with usbs after using bootable usb writers and other disk managament i fixed with dd and sync
[14:58] <vonnojimon> easily found on google quick search im a noob so b careful
[14:59] <vonnojimon> hey hav u guys forgotten about my problem wine python etc
[14:59] <sebsebsebb> akik:  Includes08  whats' teh differnce between iso mode and dd mode on refus then ?
[14:59] <vonnojimon> can it be fixed
[14:59] <vonnojimon> just need ya or nay
[14:59] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: yes mabe by Includes08  breaking in to your computer, I mean you letting him in :d
[14:59] <vonnojimon> lol
[15:00] <vonnojimon> okay steal my money paste my shit all over the net zero my hard disc
[15:00] <zomaar> My DVB-T TV card suddenly started working
[15:00] <vonnojimon> and steal my identiy
[15:00] <sebsebsebb> except is there enough money worth stealing is the thing h eh
[15:00] <akik> sebsebsebb: the other mode probably opens the iso image and uses the files inside of it to create the bootable usb stick
[15:01] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, just 2 different ways of writing, dd is more secure in its way.
[15:01] <sebsebsebb> akik: yeah thats what it looied like it idd, I mean it even opended up the file manager, and then I saw things going in to that, from refus
[15:01] <vonnojimon> the less you have the move you value what you posess  so mine is worth more if i am poor by that logic
[15:02] <vonnojimon> thanks for trying to help really appreci
[15:02] <sebsebsebb> akik: ok I'll try dd option next tie with default  for mbr or gpt  next time, then,  which uhnmmm maybe will be in about half an hour,    this bad bloc testing is taking ages, and it wasn't going to be happpy if i cancalled so  oh nearly 95 percent but this has already been nearly two hours !
[15:02] <vonnojimon> thanks both of you
[15:02] <Includes08> vonnojimon, i mean you're using a webchat client, don't think you're safe then anyway. I'm even cloaked and thats not 100% safe.
[15:02] <akik> sebsebsebb: there'll be no options with the dd write mode
[15:03] <vonnojimon> i know
[15:03] <sebsebsebb> akik: dd  mode is a proper copy of the iso image?  label  the whole lot ?
[15:03] <vonnojimon> i just dont wanna hand over root
[15:03] <sebsebsebb> akik: the iso mode even seeemd to give me a label that was differnt from the usual
[15:03] <akik> sebsebsebb: the dd mode just writes the iso on the usb stick as with dd in linux
[15:03] <vonnojimon> permissions
[15:03] <vonnojimon> no roots here
[15:03] <vonnojimon> lol
[15:03] <Includes08> vonnojimon, you will be seeing what i do anyway xd if you don't like it its called shutdown and restart and i'm gone
[15:04] <vonnojimon> not b4 u could launch a nasty little script
[15:04] <sebsebsebb> one time years ago, I had some ports open for that kind of thing, and someone for a laugh  a few years back, decided to connect to that,  then in to their virtual machine, and they deleted windows xp in front of me :D
[15:05] <sebsebsebb> they knew i had ports open since had said on irc h eh
[15:05] <Includes08> that i would have to download first anyway
[15:05] <vonnojimon> lol
[15:05] <vonnojimon> i know right
[15:05] <Includes08> you trusted me with that other script before looking in the script anyway
[15:05] <Includes08> so you could've had more damage then with me being in teamviewer.
[15:05] <Includes08> its called trust :)
[15:05] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: I looked at the first one seemed ok
[15:06] <Includes08> but you didn't tell vonnojimon xD
[15:06] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: he probably won't do anything
[15:06] <sebsebsebb> malicious
[15:06] <vonnojimon> nano
[15:06] <vonnojimon> true
[15:06] <sebsebsebb> it can be easier though, tehn lots of pastebins and what not
[15:06] <sebsebsebb> and quicker
[15:06] <Includes08> anyway mention me if you need me :) i'm working on my own problems for a sec :)
[15:07] <vonnojimon> churrz
[15:07] <sebsebsebb> akik: if dd mode also doesnt' work right, hmm, I will try 16.04.2 I think download that.  to be honest I only want 16.04 on as well, and I guess pshyically as well,  since I wanted to try out yunit properly :d
[15:07] <vonnojimon> good luck with urs
[15:07] <sebsebsebb> from a ppa , wink wink at vonnojimon
[15:08] <akik> sebsebsebb: i haven't had any problems with 16.04.3 iso
[15:08] <Includes08> well i'm trying to get tlp to run properly :)
[15:08] <sebsebsebb> akik: I am not sure if it's 16.04.3 causing the problems, or something else
[15:08] <Includes08> i mean what i need a 8 thread 4.2 ghz processor for in ubuntu
[15:08] <Includes08> its just a waste of battery
[15:08] <sebsebsebb> akik: its' weridw when grub comes up from the usb stick that's made, but then it won't boot up things like try ubuntu
[15:09] <vonnojimon> question how dangerous a risk is using irc from security standpoint in browser 17.10
[15:09] <sebsebsebb> akik: and this lap top used to have 16.04 on it, before the hard disk was changed and motherboard so
[15:09] <Includes08> vonnojimon, theres a big risk no matter what
[15:09] <Includes08> thats why people use vpn's and cloaks :)
[15:09] <Includes08> and actual clients
[15:09] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: probably more dangerous on windows
[15:09] <vonnojimon> got sophos n ublock origin noscript ghostery
[15:10] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, doesn't make a diference
[15:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: on Linux more secure
[15:10] <vonnojimon> any other recomendations
[15:10] <vonnojimon> gt linux
[15:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: irc in browser that is
[15:10] <vonnojimon> such as
[15:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: but never run IRC as root on Linux otherwise uhmm  rather insecure
[15:10] <vonnojimon> yup gt that one
[15:10] <Includes08> >_> root or no root its unsecure anyway
[15:10] <Includes08> irc doesn't tunnel
[15:11] <Includes08> its all about your personal information, if your ip leaks in freenode theres always someone that can get anything from that :)
[15:11] <vonnojimon> how about using vpn to connect any better or still an issue and example pls
[15:11] <vonnojimon> what kind of info do they want
[15:11] <vonnojimon> how do u protect
[15:12] <sebsebsebb> ips leak to websites and what not too
[15:12] <Includes08> a vpn is the most secure you can get
[15:12] <Includes08> if they have your ip and they are good worst thing they can get your recent browser history or install keyloggers :)
[15:12] <Includes08> passwords what not
[15:13] <sebsebsebb> except lots of peoples have ip showing
[15:14] <Includes08> he quit :P i guess he got scared sebsebsebb
[15:14] <JTech> sorry I don't remember who was helping me earlier, but thanks. I had to go AFK and I don't know what they said to me.
[15:14] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: hes back
[15:15] <Includes08> why are you not cloaked sebsebsebb ? or using a vpn atleast
[15:15] <vonnojimon> nah
[15:15] <vonnojimon> not till just then
[15:15] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: pm me h eh
[15:15] <vonnojimon> what is cloaked (is it a term for using a vpn
[15:15] <rek> sebsebsebb, i don't know
[15:16] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: no to hide your host name on freenode or other networks
[15:16] <sebsebsebb> and ip
[15:16] <Includes08> nah a non affiliate cloak hides your ip :)
[15:18] <vonnojimon> how do u do that
[15:19] <kostkon> !cloak | vonnojimon
[15:27] <MacroMan> I'm trying to purge the `virtualbox` package, but after a re-install it know the settings from the previous install. I though purge was to remove ALL files
[15:27] <MacroMan> What action can I take to remove and purge any trace of this program?
[15:28] <alkisg> MacroMan: purging packages does NOT touch files under /home/username, which is where your virtualbox settings and data are
[15:29] <alkisg> MacroMan: so instead of using apt, use a file manager to navigate and delete those files
[15:29] <Includes08> vonnojimon, you still alive :) i responded to your pm?
[15:30] <MacroMan> alkisg: I couldn't find anything in my home directory, but I'll take another look
[15:30] <vonnojimon> yeah but i cnt quite get over my trust issues gt some super imp dloads i must keep
[15:30] <vonnojimon> thanks a mill tho
[15:30] <alkisg> MacroMan: press ctrl+h to see the hidden folders like .VirtualBox
[15:30] <MacroMan> Other people online are saying to remove the ~/.virtualbox directory, but it defo doesn't exist
[15:30] <xXLabRatXx> I have a question pertaining to ChromeOS, is there an IRC channel for that or should I ask it here?
[15:31] <Includes08> no worries vonnojimon  :)
[15:31] <MacroMan> alkisg: I have. It's not there
[15:31] <MacroMan> I've listed files in terminal too, but no virtualbox directiry
[15:31] <vonnojimon> ur awesome Includes08 cheers 4ur time
[15:31] <vonnojimon> and help greatly appreciated
[15:31] <kostkon> MacroMan, it could be ~/.config/virtualbox
[15:32] <MacroMan> kostkon: Ah bingo! Thank you
[15:32] <Includes08> no worries you can always land in my PM box :) ill respond if you ever need me.
[15:33] <alkisg> MacroMan: find ~ -iname '*virtualbox*'
[15:35] <MacroMan> alkisg: I'll try and remember that. Thank you
[15:36] <vonnojimon> thank you
[15:38] <nagyg> hi all
[15:38] <nagyg> I plugged in a USB headset to ubuntu (17.10) and syslog says: device not accepting address ... error -71, unable to enumerate USB device
[15:39] <nagyg> any suggestions what to do with it?
[15:46] <Metalhead> static
[15:46] <Metalhead> oh hai
[15:46] <alkisg> dynamic hi :)
[15:46] <Metalhead> haha sorry, was typing somewhere else
[15:47] <Sven_vB> can I use systemd socket activation for user services (/home/foobard/.config/systemd/user/foobard.s{ervice,ocket}) in Ubuntu trusty but keep whatever is my current init system (probably upstart)?
[15:48] <alkisg> Sven_vB: most probably, no
[15:49] <Sven_vB> :(
[15:49] <alkisg> Imagine that Ubuntu first switched to systemd for the system, and LATER for the session
[15:49] <alkisg> Sven_vB: well, you can still use the usual techniques like /etc/xdg/autostart
[15:50] <Sven_vB> even if foobard expects to inherit a server socket?
[15:51] <alkisg> Sven_vB: do you mean that you want a system process to spawn a user process? Then that user process won't be part of the user session
[15:53] <Sven_vB> I'd actually prefer to start a stable service manager as a user process via user foobard's anacron (@reboot) and that service manager shall provide socket activation to foobard (because it expects that)
[15:54] <alkisg> Sven_vB: anacron is still outside of a user's normal session, if you care about displaying a UI anywhere
[15:54] <Sven_vB> ah no there's no UI involved
[15:54] <Sven_vB> all communication is via the socket
[15:54] <Sven_vB> which will be a TCP port
[15:55] <alkisg> Sven_vB: I still didn't get the architecture. So it's just 2 user processes communicating over tcp/ip locally?
[15:56] <xubuntu_> Hello All
[15:56] <Sven_vB> nope. foobard is a daemon-like program that can accept TCP connections on a server socket, which it has to inherit because it can't listen itself. also it terminates after some idle time in order to save system resources, expecting to be started again when there are new connections.
[15:57] <Sven_vB> so I need another program that can listen on the TCP port, and start foobard if it's not active already.
[15:57] <alkisg> Sven_vB: eh, are you sure inetd doesn't fit what you're describing?
[15:58] <evaluate> Hello.
[15:58] <Sven_vB> alkisg, no idea. I'll read about it!
[15:58] <evaluate> If I try to preseed a partman recipe where the /home partition has "method{ keep }", I get the following error: the installer needs to remove operating system files from the install target but was unable to do so. Any idea why this is happening?
[15:58] <alkisg> Sven_vB: manpages.ubuntu.com/inetd
[15:59] <Sven_vB> alkisg, thanks!
[15:59] <alkisg> np
[16:00] <thinky> hello
[16:00] <thinky> i made update on terminal few mins ago
[16:00] <thinky> and it installed suru icon set
[16:00] <whitebeast> I heard about an update on tuesday for the ubuntu kernel.. That it prevented people from getting 0ast the grub screen..... Has this been fixed does anyone know?
[16:00] <thinky> but when i go to appearance i cant see suru icons
[16:01] <thinky> is suru icon set now officially installed to ubuntu?
[16:02] <thinky> or it is something i installed before that i forgot
[16:04] <thinky> hello
[16:04] <thinky> is there anybody?
[16:05] <rreck> if i am considered an anybody the answer is 'no'
[16:06] <Sven_vB> alkisg, found it. my previous inetd tutorial made the wait option look unsuitable but http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/inetd.8.html sounds exactly like what I'm looking for. "The master socket will then be passed as fd 0 to the server, which will then need to accept the incoming connection." so I'll just write "env LISTEN_FDS=0 " in front of the ExecStart= command and see whether it works. :-)
[16:07] <skinux> I just found something interesting. I used Ubuntu installer to "repair" my system. By doing so, apparently it fixed Apache's misconfiguration.
[16:07] <alkisg> Sven_vB: cool
[16:07] <skinux> However, it appears Apache isn't configured to use FastCGI
[16:09] <LuMint> hello. i got the kernel 3.13.0-139-generic  and I wonder if Meltdown was fixed in it. dmesg | grep -i isolation shows nothing so I wonder if I'm safe or not
[16:09] <Romantic> ^ is there a list of kernels that will/are patched?
[16:10] <Romantic> specifically, the 4.4.0- line?
[16:12] <foca__> I'm trying to add a printer located on a windows domain using system-config-printer, but when I demand a print test it gest stuck with a message "held for authentication". What this could be ?
[16:12] <nacc> Romantic: should be in the usn docs
[16:15] <strive> foca__: Check the samba configuration file?
[16:16] <strive> foca__: I know there's a print section: [print$] - comment, path, broweable, read only, guest ok..ec.
[16:16] <strive> etc.
[16:17] <slipttees> alkisg:
[16:17] <strive> foca__: Also, there's a [printers] set of directives.
[16:17] <slipttees> alkisg: HD sentinel Hard disk Health 9% :-/
[16:18] <strive> slipttees: Time to upgrade.
[16:19] <nplus> Hi, I have a probably simple question... I'm creating a service on 16.04, I created /etc/systemd/system/mylittle.service Why is it that some services can be managed via $service --status-all  but my service doesn't get listed there?
[16:19] <strive> foca__: One thing I might add is to make sure you've got smbclient and cifs-utils installed on the client machine.
[16:19] <slipttees> alkisg: Disk is OK, 2928 bad sectors (36º / 97º)
[16:21] <strive> nplus: Did you configure it properly?
[16:21] <slipttees> TJ-: Bro... problem is my hard drive - HD Sentinel say Healt 9% and 2928 bad sectors! :-(
[16:23] <Sven_vB> any suggestions on which flavor of inetd I should install? I'd like a simple one but it has to support wait for TCP
[16:23] <sapopeta> hi guys
[16:24] <nplus> strive: I believe so. I can start/stop the service with systemctl and all appears to work. At what point does a service get "added" to the $service --status-all?
[16:25] <shubham> hii
[16:25] <sapopeta> another aplications for running windows apps
[16:26] <alkisg> (06:19:34 μμ) slipttees: alkisg: Disk is OK, 2928 bad sectors (36º / 97º) ==> then yeah, locating and marking new bad sectors may take time. Check the output of `dmesg` after booting.
[16:26] <shubham> i barely downlaod anything frm ubuntu store ....it's very slw
[16:26] <slipttees> TJ-: alkisg zomaar hotaronohanako Thanks for Help.
[16:27] <alkisg> np
[16:27] <slipttees> alkisg: hd sentinel health 9%
[16:27] <slipttees> replace hard drive there
[16:27] <slipttees> buy a new tomorrow kkkkk
[16:27] <rek> hi baby  hi everyone... why do i find terminal applications closed after i log off my teamviewer session and i come back?
[16:27] <rek> i use xscreensaver-command --lock too
[16:28] <strive> nplus: When you enable a service, it needs to be placed in a target.
[16:28] <shubham> help me
[16:30] <pnwise> does anyone knows when you log with ssh where the remote server name is taken from? it doesn't seems to be /etc/hostname
[16:30] <strive> nplus: What's your /etc/systemd/system/mylittle.service look like?
[16:30] <nplus> strive: I have "WantedBy=multi-user.target" in my service
[16:30] <shubham> should i wait for relpy or quit it
[16:31] <whitebeast> I cannot login to my user account on 16.04 is this the kernel issue or is it something else.. Would someone mind helping me.. As i have the mental capcity of a 5 year old for these kinds of things
[16:31] <nplus> strive: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26372586/
[16:31] <redandblack> pnwise: .ssh/config
[16:31] <strive> pnwise: Depends on the distro.
[16:33] <pnwise> redandblack: that is client config I believe and I am looking to change that on the server if possible
[16:34] <pnwise> strive: can you give me one example to start from somewhere?
[16:36] <multifractal> I have almost filled up my hard drive, and I'm trying to find stuff to delete. I know of one particularly big folder, but I'm not sure where most of the other data is concentrated. Nautilus allows sorting by folder "size", but this actually means number of files/folders inside, rather than number of bytes. How can I view e.g. my home folder sorted by file size?
[16:37] <strive> pnwise: What distro are you logging into?
[16:38] <rud0lf> multifractal: you can try "du -sh *" in terminal
[16:38] <rud0lf> but it takes a long time if you have a lot of files
[16:38] <alkisg> This avahi file, /usr/lib/avahi/avahi-daemon-check-dns.sh contains this call, which takes 10 secs and times out: host -t soa local.
[16:38] <alkisg> Question, does it work quickly for anyone, or should I file a bug report against avahi for delaying the boot process, and to include a -W 1 option there to wait only 1 sec?
[16:38]  * Sven_vB chose xinetd.
[16:39] <multifractal> rod0lf: thanks it's a start byut it's not sorted.
[16:39] <strive> multifractal: There's an app called "ncdu".
[16:39] <strive> multifractal: It's got a GUI-like terminal interface.
[16:40] <pnwise> strive, different - we have a lot of clients and AWS uses their inner IPs as names, and every provider does what he likes. I am thinking it is the hostname at the end. But it sounds to me you have no clue and just answering questions with questions
[16:40] <multifractal> strive: that's perfect thanks
[16:41] <strive> pnwise: Ubuntu = /etc/hostname :: Gentoo = /etc/conf.d/hostname
[16:41] <pnwise> Actually it is the hostname at least for ubuntu, it just removes everything after a dot
[16:41] <strive> pnwise: There are differences.
[16:42] <pnwise> Yeah so it is the hostname. Just different distros use different locations
[16:42] <pnwise> but mostly /etc/hostname
[16:42] <strive> multifractal: Sure :)
[16:43] <strive> nplus: Try adding "Alias=mylittle.service"
[16:43] <LuMint> just executed the script https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker . according to the script my system is vulnerable to 5754
[16:44] <LuMint> whereas it is supposed to be fixed in my kernel https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/trusty/main/security/linux
[16:44] <LuMint> so is it fixed or is it not?
[16:44] <LuMint> the output http://termbin.com/wy0w
[16:45] <LuMint> can someone explain it to me?
[16:46] <leftyfb> LuMint: you might be better off asking in #ubuntu-security
[16:46] <gordonjcp> LuMint: are you running virtual machines, on a server directly connected to the Internet on that machine?
[16:49] <whitebeast> I cannot login to my user account on 16.04 is this the kernel issue or is it something else.. Would someone mind helping me.. As i have the mental capcity of a 5 year old for these kinds of things
[16:49] <leftyfb> whitebeast: you've been on this for days ..... what about just reinstalling from scratch?
[16:50] <leftyfb> whitebeast: also, try creating a new user from the terminal and logging in with that user: sudo adduser testuser
[16:51] <VulcanRidr> Quick question. I have noticed in the recent past that kernel upgrades do not seem to be writing a /run/reboot-required. Is this an intentional thing? Is there a new method of knowing the system needs a reboot? I'm working mostly on 14.04 boxes.
[16:51] <asdfgh> join #golang
[16:52] <strive> VulcanRidr: I thought it was /var/run/reboot-required ?
[16:52] <leftyfb> whitebeast: please do not pm me
[16:53] <whitebeast> Sorry
[16:53] <ash_work> is it going to matter to me if a vendor folder mounted in a container has gid 0 but uid 1000 ?
[16:53] <VulcanRidr> Hey leftyfb! Long time no see. How's married life?
[16:54] <egelor> hi there.
[16:54] <VulcanRidr> strive: I thought they were symlinked.
[16:54]  * strive shrugs
[16:54] <brainwash> /var/run -> /run
[16:54] <brainwash> yes
[16:54] <egelor> my ibus-daemon
[16:54] <strive> doh.
[16:54] <strive> :)
[16:55] <brainwash> VulcanRidr: someone in #ubuntu-kernel may know
[16:55] <VulcanRidr> thanks brainwash
[16:55] <LuMint> gordonjcp: no
[16:55] <strive> Hm, it isn't symlinked for me.
[16:56] <gordonjcp> LuMint: then you don't need to worry about it
[16:56] <ash_work> I started the container with uid $UID, and I just realize that the gid is 0 on, well everything. I don't know that that is necessarily a bad thing though... should that really affect anything?
[16:56] <egelor> error ibus could not bw start in 5 sec
[16:57] <gordonjcp> LuMint: if some computer criminal wants to get some malware onto your computer they'll crack it open using more traditional methods
[16:57] <brainwash> egelor: it cannot start, because it is already running?
[16:57] <wabbe> Hi, anybody here who is familiar with the beakerbrowser?
[16:58] <gordonjcp> LuMint: and if the government wants access to your computer they'll just ask you for the password, possibly with the aid of a very clean tiled room and some rubber hoses
[16:58] <strive> .
[16:58] <egelor> brainwash: No fist window pops up and say ibus not running
[16:58] <brainwash> wabbe: you want #beakerbrowser
[16:59] <wabbe> so I will try
[16:59] <brainwash> egelor: fist window?
[16:59] <brainwash> egelor: what program is that?
[17:00] <egelor> brainwash: i was trying to change from us to el
[17:01] <egelor> brainwash: ok i fix it i run in from terminal ibus-daemon
[17:02] <egelor> Keyboard Input Methods (IBus Daemon) is not running. Do you wish to start it?
[17:03] <egelor> egelor after i press yes
[17:03] <egelor> Bus daemon could not be started in 5 seconds
[17:04] <tomreyn> LuMint: does "cat /proc/version" say that you're running version 3.13.0-139.188 then?
[17:05] <tomreyn> LuMint: ignore this question, i noticed you are asking in -hardened now
[17:12] <riqdiiz> hi all my system is Acer 4gb ram but won't let in Fedora20 .says installation media check failed. what could be the problem?
[17:12] <beck> hello
[17:12] <beck> please help
[17:12] <electricmilk> beck, just ask the question
[17:12] <beck> I upgraded ubuntu
[17:12] <beck> and now my virtualbox freezes whenever I start a virtualmachine
[17:12] <beck> I reinstalled the drivers
[17:12] <beck> in order to fit the kernel
[17:13] <beck> since before all this freezing thing, it told me that virtualbox-dkms was not available
[17:13] <beck> so  I needed to modprobe vboxdrv
[17:13] <beck> so I apt-get remove virtualbox-dkms
[17:13] <beck> and then modprobe vboxdrv
[17:13] <beck> without problems, but when opening virtualbox and initiating the virtualmachine
[17:13] <beck> it freezes immediatly
[17:13] <riqdiiz> and touchpad is dead on same machine while running slitaz.
[17:14] <electricmilk> beck, I would try just totally removing virtualbox and reintalling...but I'm not expert
[17:14] <electricmilk> beck,  sudo apt-get remove virtualbox && sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[17:15] <beck> I am afraid of losing my virtual machines when removing virtualbox]
[17:15] <nplus> strive: no dice on the alias
[17:16] <akik> beck: the virtual machines live in their own directory. they are not affected by the package removals
[17:16] <beck> isnt there like an
[17:17] <beck> apt-get repair command
[17:17] <beck> o reinstall
[17:17] <beck> just to be sure
[17:17] <beck> that nothing will be deleted ?
[17:17] <beck> the conf files with the entries of the virtual machines
[17:17] <akik> beck: the config file is a .vbox file in the same directory as the virtual hd image
[17:17] <nplus> Couple thoughts that jump to mind - does my .service file need particular permissions? does it matter if the file exists in /etc/systemd/system/myservice.service ? I see most items in there are links to other locations
[17:18] <strive> nplus: Did you run systemctl daemon-reload afterwards?
[17:18] <nplus> yeah
[17:18] <strive> nplus: They should all be 777 I believe.
[17:20] <nplus> does it not being listed by $service --status-all indicate something is wrong/missing or is it superficial?
[17:20] <strive> nplus: The systemd default configs are located in /usr/lib/systemd/system (which some of those services are linked to), but you don't want to edit those files.
[17:22] <nplus> ok
[17:22] <strive> nplus: So it doesn't show up with: systemctl --type=service
[17:22] <strive> ?
[17:22] <skinux> I'm getting permission denied trying to access a directory, but permissions look fine.
[17:23] <strive> skinux: Let us see what those permissions look like :)
[17:23] <nplus> strive: yes it shows up there and starts on boot. it's just $service --status-all that doesn't list it
[17:24] <strive> $service --status-all doesn't work for me.
[17:24] <strive> Maybe someone else could explain that.
[17:25] <strive> I wonder if systemctl even has that option.
[17:25] <skinux> drw-r--r-- 12 skinux www-data   4096 Jan 12 08:09 lib
[17:25] <nplus> My rough understanding is $service is pre-systemd, but is still able to manage systemd services - guessing it's for backward compatibility sake
[17:26] <brainwash> strive: without the $
[17:27] <strive> Ah, there we go, lol
[17:27] <brainwash> nplus: use systemctl/journalctl
[17:28] <brainwash> nplus: or create a sysvinit script (probably not something you want to do)
[17:29] <strive> nplus: systemctl list-unit-files
[17:29] <strive> nplus: systemctl list-unit-files | grep mylittle.service (i think)
[17:29] <Guest80341> hey
[17:29] <xXLabRatXx> Hello
[17:29] <electricmilk> Guest80341, hi
[17:30] <Guest80341> hello electricmilk and xXLabRatXx
[17:30] <Guest80341> im out
[17:30] <electricmilk> lol
[17:30] <xXLabRatXx> umm ok?
[17:31] <nplus> brainwash, strive: Ok thanks. I guess it's just superficial then :) gotta get out of the habbit of using the $service command
[17:31] <strive> nplus: haha, did it list for you now?
[17:31] <skinux> Why am I not allowed with this permission: drw-r--r-- 12 skinux www-data   4096 Jan 12 08:09 lib
[17:32] <strive> What's the absolute path?
[17:32] <nplus> strive: systemctl has been showing the correct results the whole time
[17:32] <strive> nplus: Doh! lol. Glad it works out :)
[17:32] <skinux> strive: was that to me?
[17:34] <akik> skinux: directories need the x bit
[17:34] <skinux> Oh.
[17:34] <skinux> 644 right?
[17:34] <akik> skinux: 755
[17:35] <skinux> Oh, yeah.
[17:35] <fujoor__> Hey people, ive been out of the loop for a good while. Is there any alternative method to install ubuntu, except dualboot and inside a VM? Like wubi? I heard there was something coming like wubi.
[17:41] <leftyfb> fujoor__: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/ubuntu/9nblggh4msv6
[17:42] <leftyfb> fujoor__: but it's not the desktop OS. Just the server(cloud image)
[17:49] <fujoor__> leftyfb: many thanks, so no real sollution like wubi yet i suppose
[17:50] <leftyfb> fujoor__: no. dual boot or run it in a vm. Why do you need the desktop OS in a windows on your windows desktop anyway?
[17:51] <alkisg> fujoor__: running in a file inside an ntfs volume, instead of a dedicated partition, just to make the installation 5 mins easier... it's not worth it, that's why wubi stopped being developed
[17:52] <qwip> My current Ubuntu version is 16.04.3 LTS, how can I upgrade to Ubuntu 17.10?
[17:52] <akik> wasn't the idea of wubi so that you could install it without need for any extra partitioning?
[17:52] <leftyfb> qwip: yes, though personally I would wait till April when 18.04 comes out. You'll get another 5 years of support out of it.
[17:52] <alkisg> qwip: you would upgrade to 16.10 (unsupported), 17.04 (unsupported), and finally reach 17.10
[17:53] <alkisg> qwip: consider reinstalling or waiting for 18.04 or maybe even upgrading to 18.04 even if alpha...
[17:53] <qwip> alkisg: so, I will need to upgrade 3  times?
[17:53] <alkisg> qwip: yup
[17:53] <qwip> alkisg: how to do that? I am new to linux
[17:54] <beck> did not work my virtualbox
[17:54] <beck> y removed everything
[17:54] <beck> and reinstalled
[17:54] <beck> and it is still crashing
[17:54] <alkisg> qwip: it's kind of hard because the versions between are unsupported. Are you sure you don't prefer to reinstall but keep /home?
[17:54] <alkisg> qwip: also, why not just wait for 18.04?
[17:54] <beck> 5.0.40-dfsg-0ubuntu1.16.04.2)
[17:54] <leftyfb> qwip: I would wait till April when 18.04 comes out.
[17:55] <qwip> alkisg: I want to upgrade to 17.10 so I can get KDE Plasma 5.11
[17:56] <alkisg> qwip: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plasma-desktop
[17:56] <alkisg> 5.11 will come in 18.04
[17:57] <alkisg> 17.10 has 5.10.5
[17:57] <qwip> Right now I am on 5.8
[17:57] <alkisg> So if you wait till April and THEN upgrade, you'll get plasma 5.11
[17:58] <alkisg> 16.04 has 5.5.5
[17:58] <alkisg> Not 5.8
[17:58] <qwip> alkisg: okay. but will there be any problem in directly upgrdaing to 18.04 from 16.04?
[17:58] <qwip> without reinstalling?
[17:58] <slipttees> alkisg: buy ssd 240 sandisk ;-)
[17:58] <alkisg> qwip: no, that will be the most supported upgrade, of course without reinstalling
[17:58] <alkisg> qwip: going from lts to lts is the most supported scenario
[17:59] <qwip> alkisg: ahh, okay. i got it now. its a lte to lte thing
[17:59] <alkisg> !lts
[17:59] <qwip> lts*
[17:59] <slipttees> alkisg: i test in my workstation 18.04 lts :-)
[18:02] <qwip> I am having some problem with fonts on my kde plasma 5.8.8. Have tried to solve it but failed badly. Fonts in kde apps are looking good (except title bar of window) and font in gtk apps (like firefox) are looking really bad.
[18:03] <acheronuk> alkisg: 17.10 has 5.11 available in our backports PPA
[18:03] <acheronuk> 18.04 will ship with 5.12
[18:03] <alkisg> acheronuk: it would be best to offer backports for lts versions :)
[18:04] <alkisg> Nice to hear though
[18:04] <acheronuk> alkisg: no possible due to the very big Qt version upgrade required over 16.04 LTS stock versions
[18:04] <akik> acheronuk: are there some reasons why newer kde versions are not available for 16.04 ?
[18:05] <akik> ah ok :)
[18:05] <alkisg> acheronuk: ah, aren't qt versions co-installable like e.g. python or other libs?
[18:05] <alkisg> :(
[18:05] <acheronuk> alkisg: no
[18:05] <ubuntu_addict> hi
[18:05] <alkisg> Solving that part could help a lot then
[18:05] <ubuntu_addict> how r u guys ? i have a question but i'm not sure if someone can help me there
[18:06] <alkisg> !ask
[18:06] <strive> ubuntu_addict: Just ask.
[18:06] <qwip> I am having some problem with fonts on my kde plasma 5.8.8. Have tried to solve it but failed badly. Fonts in kde apps are looking good (except title bar of window) and font in gtk apps (like firefox) are looking really bad.  Please help!
[18:06] <akik> qwip: i have a guide on adjusting the fonts
[18:06] <qwip> akik: please share :)
[18:07] <akik> qwip: https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/change-font-rendering-settings-kdefirefox/
[18:07] <ubuntu_addict> i want to know if that is possible to me to use the camera of this laptop (onto ip camera or something else) on my desktop PC
[18:08] <alkisg> ubuntu_addict: do you mean "stream from a laptop camera to a desktop pc"? Sure, you can stream a camera anywhere on LAN or the internet
[18:08] <ubuntu_addict> alkisg how should i do ?
[18:08] <alkisg> ubuntu_addict: oh I'm sure there are thousands of tutorials for "stream camera ubuntu"
[18:09] <ubuntu_addict> i wrote it on few search engine but still get some tutorial with usb camera. it will work anyway ? dont want to launch myself into something too long. alkisg, thx btw.
[18:10] <qwip> akik: after setting that conf file. what settings should i have in fonts settings?
[18:10] <lordcirth_work> ubuntu_addict, if the camera is showing up, whether it's USB or not shouldn't matter
[18:10] <alkisg> ubuntu_addict: it doesn't matter where the camera is connected. Here's one simple google result: https://gist.github.com/endolith/2052778
[18:10] <akik> qwip: in kde system settings?
[18:10] <ubuntu_addict> ok, thanks for guys, c u :)
[18:10] <ubuntu_addict> for the info*
[18:10] <qwip> akik: yeah
[18:11] <akik> qwip: i haven't changed anything there
[18:11] <akik> qwip: but my fonts look good on a full hd display
[18:11] <qwip> akik: can you please share what are present setting there?
[18:13] <akik> qwip: https://i.imgur.com/02astp4.png
[18:13] <akik> qwip: i use ubuntu mono 11 in konsole
[18:13] <BluesKaj> qwip, you have both gnome and kde/plasma installed , correct?
[18:14] <qwip> BluesKaj: yeah
[18:14] <qwip> akik: and what is the font in GNOME Application Style (GTK) - System Settings?
[18:15] <akik> qwip: noto sans 10
[18:16] <qwip> akik: okay. thanks. can you do me one more favor? Please send a screenshot of google hompage opened in firefox, so i can compare that with mine
[18:16] <akik> qwip: ok :)
[18:17] <qwip> akik: thanks :)
[18:18] <akik> qwip: https://i.imgur.com/T6DHwNA.png
[18:19] <akik> qwip: i might've changed some font rendering settings in firefox too
[18:20] <qwip> akik: can you share that?
[18:20] <fujoor__> leftyfb: ah just to play around, i miss playing around in linux, testing new apps and such
[18:20] <qwip> akik: did you changed anything in about:config? or just in font?
[18:20] <leftyfb> fujoor__: I would suggest dual booting or a VM
[18:21] <akik> qwip: the thing is i'm not sure which settings i changed
[18:21] <akik> qwip: in about:config
[18:21] <akik> qwip: did you test that fonts.conf already?
[18:22] <qwip> akik: aww... was it in something like font.name. x-western?
[18:22] <qwip> akik: yeah
[18:22] <qwip> akik: no good
[18:23] <qwip> akik: what font do you have set in about:preferences#fonts?
[18:24] <fujoor__> leftyfb: maybe VM is a the best sollution
[18:24] <akik> qwip: they seem to be the default (dejavu serif and dejavu sans)
[18:25] <akik> qwip: but i remember having a weird time at some point when the fonts looked ugly as ...
[18:26] <qwip> akik: I am feeling like shi*t . Have tried everything i found. even reinstalled everything. but still ...
[18:26] <akik> qwip: try logging out and back in
[18:26] <qwip> akik: okay.
[18:29] <qwip> akik: nothing changed
[18:29] <qwip> akik: also spotify is looking so ugly
[18:30] <akik> qwip: you ran that fc-cache command?
[18:30] <qwip> yeah, akik
[18:30] <qwip> did everything mentioned there. akik
[18:31] <BluesKaj> qwip, why not paste an example /screenshot of what you think is ugly
[18:32] <akik> qwip: oh yea one thing also, i've updated kde to 5.8.8
[18:33] <qwip> BluesKaj: okay
[18:33] <BluesKaj> plasma version is up to 5.11 on 17.10
[18:34] <qwip> akik: my version is also 5.8.8
[18:35] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: https://imgur.com/a/aB8EO
[18:36] <mauz555> clear
[18:37] <akik> qwip: i don't see any problems(?)
[18:37] <qwip> akik: wow. even in spotify app?
[18:38] <akik> qwip: maybe my eye sight is gone
[18:38]  * BluesKaj shrugs , looks ok to me
[18:39]  * qwip in shook.
[18:39] <qwip> shock*
[18:39] <qwip> akik: are you joking or being serious?
[18:39] <V7> Hey all :)
[18:40] <V7> How to get vncviewer ?
[18:40] <akik> qwip: really, looks ok to me
[18:40] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: have you tried zooming in?
[18:40] <V7> vnc4server's installed, but there's no vncviewer
[18:40] <kornbluth> V7: which vncviewer do you want?
[18:40] <V7> The default one
[18:41] <qwip> So, that means my eyes are addicted to windows fonts quality and got shocked after seeing linux fonts
[18:41] <akik> qwip: it's been a LOT worse sometimes
[18:41] <qwip> That ^ should be the case then
[18:41] <BluesKaj> yup.I'm viewing on an HDTV/Monitor and your fonts look to me
[18:41] <leftyfb> look fine to me as well
[18:41] <BluesKaj> look ok
[18:41] <leftyfb> i've seen a lot worse
[18:41] <V7> freesys
[18:42] <kornbluth> Is anyone here using urxvt?
[18:42] <leftyfb> kornbluth: that isn't your question
[18:42] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: don't you guys think that fonts are very thin?
[18:42] <leftyfb> V7: I think remmina is installed by default. You can use that
[18:43] <kornbluth> I'm having some issues with copying from urxvt...haven't faced this before outside of Ubuntu
[18:43] <Funeral> I'm goingto format my moms computer, and need an advice to choose distro. I use ubuntu myself, but her computer is very old and I'm looking for a more lightweight distro
[18:43] <Funeral> Is lubuntu the best choice?
[18:43] <kornbluth> I don't have issues copying and pasting between terminals, but copying from terminal results in me neing unable to paste anywhere else
[18:43] <kornbluth> Funeral: lubuntu is good
[18:44] <V7> Thank you btw :)
[18:44] <Funeral> kornbluth: thanks :)
[18:45] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: what about this? https://imgur.com/a/f1rLP
[18:46] <akik> qwip: looks fine, except the big W
[18:46] <qwip> yeah, that what I what to point out. akik
[18:46] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: don't you guys think that fonts are very thin? in previous scrrenshot
[18:46] <akik> qwip: but that's probably on the content side of things
[18:47] <BluesKaj> qwip, nope
[18:47] <qwip> BluesKaj: okayyyy...!
[18:48] <qwip> I should go to some windows deadiction centre!
[18:48] <qwip> or it is my OCD. playing with me. loll
[18:48] <BluesKaj> qwip, use the bold style if you think that's thin
[18:48] <qwip> BluesKaj: that messes up other things.
[18:50] <V7> is it possible to connect to vnc if this: https://i.imgur.com/sDmQ8LY.png ?
[18:50] <V7> Btw nmap says: VNC (protocol 3.8)
[18:51] <qwip> akik, BluesKaj, Thanks for helping me. and also realizing me that my fonts are okay. :)
[18:53] <BluesKaj> qwip, what counts is readability
[18:53] <qwip> BluesKaj: yeah. I was having poor readability on some websites. thats why i was worried
[18:54] <qwip> BluesKaj: btw, is it is possible to reorder system tray icons?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> qwip, only by increasing or decreasing the panel height, afaik
[18:58] <sabolc> hi
[18:59] <jwash> hi everyone, i'm scanning an old manual with very thin pages and getting bleed through https://imgur.com/a/rX8h7 . Is there a way to have GIMP remove all grey from an image which is less than a certain threshold?
[19:01] <leftyfb> jwash: you want #gimp
[19:01] <jwash> yep
[19:02] <leftyfb> jwash: as in, your support question is related to gimp and not Ubuntu. You'd have the same question if you were running gimp on Fedora or Windows
[19:02] <gordonjcp> jwash: Colours->Threshold
[19:02] <akik> jwash: i use gimp's colors/curves to remove those
[19:02] <jwash> nm, i'm on ubuntu
[19:02] <jwash> cool
[19:02] <leftyfb> jwash: also, why not scan using the flat bed and put a piece of paper behind the page your scanning?
[19:02] <jwash> 1000 pages makes that impractical
[19:02] <jwash> 1000 sheets
[19:03] <BluesKaj> tape it
[19:03] <gordonjcp> jwash: now what you could do, is just scan with the bleed and use ImageMagick to threshold it out
[19:04] <jwash> threshold is it
[19:04] <jwash> typ
[19:04] <jwash> ty
[19:06] <BluesKaj> no, I mean tape aback sheet to scanner lid with scotch tape
[19:07] <jwash> that's a good point too :) let me try that
[19:07] <gordonjcp> jwash: yeah just something like "for i in *.png; do convert $i -threshold 50% output/$i; done
[19:07] <gordonjcp> and as if by magic you get 1000 thresholded images
[19:08] <jwash> the threshold change is losing small detail in the pics
[19:08] <jwash> acceptable, but it would be best to scan without the bleed
[19:08] <jwash> i'm early in the project
[19:10] <gordonjcp> jwash: I guess the teachable point is, there's always more than one way to do it
[19:10] <gordonjcp> jwash: and some of those ways are going to be pretty off-the-wall
[19:11] <jwash> exactly8
[19:11] <jwash> paper won't work here
[19:11] <jwash> going to have to live with bleed i think, thresholding is removing significant detail too
[19:12] <jwash> thanks for the time
[19:13] <adrianmc> I'm new programming, what is the best advice you can give me to learn? to read a lot?
[19:14] <tpw_rules> hey. i can't get fail2ban to work. i've enabled sshd, started it, and tried to log in with a bad username nad password but it's not blocking anything. logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26373536/
[19:14] <tpw_rules> adrianmc: pick a project you want to do and do it
[19:14] <jimb_> I suggest you find a project or a few that you are really interested in and use your new and growing programming skills to solve that project
[19:14] <kornbluth> adrainmc: read (books, articles, posts, open source code on github) , practice, do challenges, contribute to open source projects, work on your own projects etc.
[19:16] <adrianmc> Thanks a lot for your advices, i will follow them
[19:19] <qwip> akik: Right now, I have Open Sans font set in Font Settings but when I do `fc-maych sans` it shows DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"
[19:19] <qwip> akik: why is that so? I don't have that DejaVuSans set anywhere
[19:20] <akik> qwip: no idea. i don't know what that does
[19:20] <qwip> BluesKaj: ? ^^
[19:22] <adrianmc> what is a good language to learn? lazarus (pascal) is worth to learn? or it is old, is dead? or to learn some new languages like python or java
[19:23] <jimb_> adrianmc: I suggest Python and Java/JS/Node
[19:23] <tatertots> learn what brings you pleasure or $ in your area/market
[19:23] <kornbluth> adrainmc: what are you trying to do?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> qwip, i don't muck about with config files unless absolutely necessary, and my fonts are fine so I don't
[19:23] <tatertots> you can sell water in the desert but no worth so much on a island surrounded by ocean waters
[19:24] <qwip> Anyone else? > Right now, I have Open Sans font set in Font Settings but when I do `fc-maych sans` it shows DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"
[19:24] <adrianmc> for server side python i think is good idea, but for deskptop side? i was reading a little about pascal and i liked, but it is old, right? is worth to learn it?
[19:24] <adrianmc> and c++ i think is hard to learn , right?
[19:24] <kornbluth> adrainmc: What are you aiming to do first?
[19:24] <jimb_> I have used Python for a lot of desktop side GUI applications
[19:25] <adrianmc> can i also program desktop applications with python?
[19:26] <jimb_> adrianmc: Yes, and it can be graphical... and work in Linux/Mac/Windows
[19:26] <adrianmc> im learning a lot with you guys here, its my first time, thanks a lot
[19:26] <jimb_> There are also bundler/packagers that can take your source and compile it into a single EXE
[19:27] <kornbluth> adrianmc: also keep in mind the platform you're developing for
[19:27] <brainwash> and keep in mind that this is not a channel for general chatter
[19:28] <jimb_> adrianmc: #ubuntu-discuss or #linux might be good, or a channel for a specific language
[19:28] <adrianmc> thanks a lot
[19:28] <kornbluth> adrianmc: ##programming is fine too
[19:29] <Sailor7009_> brainwash: just help him to programming room
[19:31] <Guest95508>  /part
[19:37] <adman120> anyone know a good way to export a unionfs-fuse folder or an alternative to that?
[19:50]  * dsaravanan Is it possible to install a window manager alone without the desktop environment in Ubuntu?
[19:51] <brainwash> dsaravanan: should be possible
[19:53] <adman120> anyone know a good way to export a unionfs-fuse folder or an alternative to that?
[19:54]  * dsaravanan brainwash: I am intend to keep my installation minimum. What are the shell programs to view pdf files, play videos?
[19:54] <nacc> dsaravanan: you are misusing /me, I think.
[19:54] <brainwash> dsaravanan: whatever you want to use
[19:54] <nacc> !tab | dsaravanan
[19:54] <nacc> dsaravanan: uh, well, shell viewing of pdfs seems ... not that useful
[19:54] <nacc> dsaravanan: and for video seems nonsensical
[19:55] <brainwash> dsaravanan: like mupdf for pdf, mpv for video
[19:55] <brainwash> nacc: I assume that dsaravanan means cli programs
[19:56] <brainwash> which may open a minimal gui
[19:57] <adman120> anyone?
[19:57] <brainwash> adman120: I would have to google that one. did you search the web yet?
[19:57] <adman120> yea, and im stuck
[19:57] <adman120> i think the issue is on the export front
[19:58] <skinux> WHy is this a syntax error? Mutex file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR}
[19:59] <dsaravanan> brainwash: thank you and yes I mean cli programs.
[20:00] <dsaravanan> nacc: sorry for /me, I am new to irc.
[20:00] <kenrin> Why can't you export via NFSv4 ?
[20:00] <adman120> kenrin, me?
[20:00] <kenrin> Yes
[20:00] <brainwash> dsaravanan: have a look here https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/64276p/could_we_do_a_list_of_light_software/
[20:00] <adman120> it wont export the fused folder
[20:01] <kenrin> Did you use the fsid ?
[20:01] <adman120> yes
[20:01] <adman120> the other thing is im doing this from my node to my lxcs
[20:02] <nacc> skinux: syntax error in ...
[20:03] <skinux> It's in apache2.conf, #httpd says that directive doesn't ship by ASF
[20:04] <nacc> skinux: how are you running apache? are you starting it manually?
[20:04] <adman120> kenrin, any ideas?
[20:06] <kenrin> adman120: You sure you got a kernel that supports fuse module nfs mounting then?  Shouldn't have any issues
[20:06] <adman120> yea
[20:08] <skinux> APache is a service
[20:08] <nacc> skinux: yes, I know. are you starting with `sudo systemctl apache2 start/restart` or `/usr/bin/apache2` ?
[20:09] <skinux> sudo service apache2 start
[20:09] <adman120> kenrin, basicly im mounting plexdrive then fusing that with another folder and trying to share it
[20:10] <nacc> skinux: is the var defined in /etc/apache2/envvars ?
[20:10] <kenrin> And you got a userspace nfs server ?
[20:10] <kenrin> What is this other folder
[20:10] <adman120> im just using mountpoints because im doing it on a node. but the issue is it shows up fine on the node but when i go to the lxcs it doesnt show up
[20:11] <adman120> and i know that its working because there are other folders that do show up
[20:11] <nacc> vi
[20:11] <nacc> bah, sorry
[20:11] <auctus> when i try to open the applications menu or whatever the start menu thing is called, the graphics glitch out and it reloads -- has been happening since i rebooted my laptop; what log should i check to find out wahts going on?
[20:11] <auctus> 16.04
[20:16] <auctus> found it
[20:16] <auctus> https://askubuntu.com/questions/992571/gui-unity-crashing-in-16-04-lts-after-updates-2018-01-04-compiz-segfaults
[20:16] <auctus> its a core2duo laptop with old intel graphics
[20:16] <adman120> :)
[20:17] <grimmjow> Hello
[20:17] <skinux> Yes, it is defined in envvars
[20:18] <grimmjow> Can someone help me ? I am having trouble installing cuckoo sandbox
[20:18] <kenrin> Nice auctus,  I got a similar laptop I have not booted in a while.  I'll have to install that PPA from the bug report
[20:19] <adman120> kenrin, the other folder is just a normal folder
[20:19] <grimmjow> cand someone help?
[20:21] <ioria> auctus, why don't you go with lubuntu-desktop or budgie until this thing will be fixed ?
[20:21] <nacc> grimmjow: is it an ubuntu package?
[20:22] <mauz555> What are alternative to thinkpad to run a powerful linux distro ?
[20:23] <nacc> mauz555: not really ontopic for this channel
[20:23] <grimmjow> its a sandbox
[20:23] <grimmjow> used for malware analysis
[20:23] <auctus> ioria: installing now for convenience sake; lxde is decent
[20:23] <ioria> auctus, good
[20:24] <nacc> grimmjow: not exactly an answer to my question.
[20:24] <grimmjow> sorry i`m kind of a beginner on ubuntu
[20:29] <adman120> anyone know a solution?
[20:30] <energizer> `sudo service uwsgi status` -> " * which one? "
[20:31] <energizer> what does that mean
[20:31] <kenrin> Which user you want to sudo with
[20:31] <kenrin> ?
[20:32] <adman120> could the issue be plexdrive?
[20:32] <energizer> kenrin: root
[20:32] <kenrin> No idea about plexdrive.  That is just fuse and should work with the allow_other option
[20:32] <energizer> even sudo su ; service uwsgi status , says the same thing
[20:33] <adman120> ik
[20:33] <adman120> and im not even sure how to debug it
[20:33] <nacc> energizer: sudo su is not recommended/necessary; sudo -s -H is preferred (or other similar options)
[20:33] <kenrin> You could try samba since that is userspace export
[20:33] <adman120> what do you mean by userspace export?
[20:34] <energizer> nacc: "sudo -s -H service uwsgi status" -> "* which one? "
[20:34] <akik> adman120: not directly related to your problem but i had to defined my lxc as privileged for a nfs mount to work in there
[20:34] <kenrin> nfs export is implemeneted in the kernel usually.  If you don't have the right modules enabled some stuff won't work,  like fuse
[20:35] <kenrin> samba is all userspace
[20:35] <auctus> how do i log out from a terminal window; if i try to use the menu... unity crashes, and then restarts, so i cant log out lol i want to switch to ldxe for now but i only know ho wto do that from the logged out menu
[20:35] <nacc> energizer: no; sudo -s -H, then in that terminal run the service command
[20:35] <energizer> nacc: same thing
[20:35] <adman120> akik, you can just use mountpoints
[20:35] <tatertots> auctus: are you able to type and use the terminal in question right now? yes or no
[20:36] <adman120> nfs works for me, its this the contents of this folder that dont
[20:36] <ioria> auctus, gnome-session-quit --no-prompt
[20:36] <auctus> tatertots: yes i just cant use the left or top menu
[20:36] <auctus> can use terminal / firefox / file manager
[20:36] <tatertots> auctus: type the word "exit" then press ENTER...tell me what occurs
[20:36] <nacc> energizer: seems like something with uwsgi
[20:36] <tatertots> auctus: what happened after pressing enter?
[20:37] <adman120> its now telling me im missing lsb tags
[20:37] <adman120> what are those
[20:39] <TJ-> adman120: "LSB" == Linux Standard Base, a specification for the file system layout and other aspects of structure
[20:39] <nacc> in this case, it probalby is tallking about the init scripts missing the runlevel tags
[20:39] <adman120> what are runlevel tags?
[20:39] <nacc> (just a blind guess, adman120 always good to give exact output, using a pastebinn)
[20:39] <adman120> ok
[20:40] <auctus> i did gnome-session-exit and it worked now im in lxde, neat, thanks
[20:40] <tatertots> adman120: just wait until you see the next handful of errors you are going to get next
[20:40] <adman120> https://pastebin.com/JUFi3w5Y
[20:45] <adman120> nacc, posted
[20:46] <nacc> adman120: those are warnings, not errors
[20:46] <adman120> oh
[20:47] <nacc> adman120: they literally say 'warning'.
[20:47] <adman120> shit
[20:47] <adman120> ive given up on nfs
[20:50] <adman120> with samba im getting tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME
[21:00] <skinux> nacc: THe variable is defined in envvars
[21:01] <adman120> fuck me i just need a way of shareing the file that keeps the services running on the host active
[21:02] <akik> !language
[21:02] <adman120> sorry
[21:02] <adman120> been stuck on this for about a week
[21:05] <komakkk> hello folks
[21:05] <komakkk> anyone can help me with apt issue?
[21:06] <nacc> !ask komakkk
[21:06] <tomreyn> komakkk: not unless you'll describe it.
[21:06] <nacc> !ask | komakkk
[21:06] <nacc> skinux: sorry, i've lost context. is this a fresh intall?
[21:06] <komakkk> well after i tried to install mosquitto.. now everytime i do apt-get install... or update... i have this issue:
[21:06] <komakkk> https://pastebin.com/g4R0jUK4
[21:07] <komakkk> i am just stuck with this
[21:07] <nacc> komakkk: is that an ubuntu package? what version of ubuntu?
[21:07] <komakkk> it is actually on raspbian jessie
[21:07] <komakkk> but i guess it's the same
[21:08] <nacc> ...
[21:08] <nacc> komakkk: you should talk to debian
[21:08] <komakkk> that's true
[21:08] <nacc> komakkk: this channel is for ubuntu only
[21:08] <brainwash> better join th raspbian channel
[21:08] <skinux> nacc: Basically.
[21:08] <komakkk> ok but it seems like a generical linux issue
[21:08] <skinux> nacc: It seemed to have re-installed by a repair
[21:08] <nacc> skinux: ?
[21:08] <nacc> skinux: so it's working?
[21:09] <nacc> komakkk: then you'd ask that in #linux.
[21:09] <skinux> Well, I can get the it works page, but scripting isn't working.
[21:09] <komakkk> in raspbian they cant help
[21:09] <komakkk> i cant talk in #Linux
[21:09] <nacc> komakkk: what scripting?
[21:09] <skinux> My website actually comes up, but it's other scripts that don't.
[21:09] <nacc> err, sorry
[21:09] <nacc> skinux: --^
[21:09] <skinux> PHP
[21:09] <nacc> skinux: you are being so general that it's really difficult to help
[21:10] <nacc> skinux: is PHP enabled?
[21:10] <skinux> Yes, it works for WordPress site
[21:10] <transhuman> who do I notify that the latest ubuntu 17.1 kernel has no headers
[21:10] <komakkk> nacc: what scripting?
[21:10] <nacc> komakkk: sorry, that was meant for skinux
[21:10] <transhuman> 4.13.0-26-generic
[21:11] <transhuman> NO headers
[21:11] <nacc> transhuman: uh, that only appears to be in the kernel ppa
[21:11] <transhuman> when I upgraded it borked my nvidia card because I missed that it didnt have the headers, had to rollback
[21:11] <nacc> transhuman: i don't see it released yet?
[21:12] <transhuman> oh you mean I have the ppa enabled, good to know I will have to fix
[21:12] <transhuman> its for the specter fix
[21:12] <nacc> transhuman: i guess so.
[21:12] <nacc> transhuman: the spectre fix(es)/mitigation will come via the normal security pocket
[21:12] <nacc> transhuman: you only need the kernel ppa if you're testing the fixes ahead of time, in which case you should know what you're doing.
[21:12] <akik> transhuman: is that the reason the nvidia module fails to build with 4.13.0-26 ?
[21:13] <transhuman> yes because it has no headers
[21:13] <transhuman> my bad for enabling it
[21:13] <transhuman> well that and there was a problem with systemctl
[21:13] <transhuman> usb problem
[21:14] <akik> i got 4.13.0-26 through normal updates on 16.04.3
[21:14] <alias_neo> anybody come across a delay on logging in on 17.10? It takes about 5-10 seconds for my wallpaper/desktop after entering my password
[21:14] <transhuman> but I think that was on my end
[21:14] <transhuman> alias_neo, my login is pretty slow too
[21:14] <transhuman> but my machine is rather old
[21:14] <pedrocr> is this latest intel-microcode update safe to use?
[21:15] <pedrocr> given the news of systems crashing with the newest intel microcode
[21:15] <alias_neo> transhuman: I'm running on brand new, top end hardware so I'm certain it's a bug/configuration issue
[21:15] <alias_neo> pedrocr: If i'm not mistak a fix was released today
[21:15] <transhuman> ok, thanks for letting me know
[21:15] <tomreyn> pedrocr: i'd hold back on installing it until there's a kernel which is actually patched to make use of it.
[21:16] <alias_neo> pedrocr: Scratch that, it was teh crashy kernel that was updated, intel have done nothing with the microcode yet
[21:16] <transhuman> for me I have my intel server shutoff until the fix, thank god the rest are AMD's
[21:16] <pedrocr> ok, thanks
[21:16] <pedrocr> I haven't even been able to use the 4.13 kernel because that broken virtualbox
[21:16] <pedrocr> it's been a rocky road but it's understandable given the mess these bugs are
[21:16] <alias_neo> pedrocr: I'm running virtualbox at work on 4.13, have been for some time
[21:17] <pedrocr> alias_neo: probably not virtualbox 5.0 on Ubuntu 16.04
[21:17] <pedrocr> alias_neo: that's fairly broken: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1736116
[21:17] <alias_neo> pedrocr: No, 5.1 on 16.04
[21:17] <pedrocr> right, from virtualbox.org directly I imagine?
[21:18] <alias_neo> pedrocr: Yes
[21:18] <pedrocr> I'd like to avoid using non-ubuntu packages but may just give up and do it
[21:18] <alias_neo> pedrocr: I understand.
[21:19] <pedrocr> it would be nice if xenial just got 5.1 or 5.2 pushed to it though
[21:20] <alias_neo> pedrocr: Yeah, the 17.10 desktop I'm on now has 5.1.30 so it's certainly there in the arty repo
[21:21] <zexter> soooo... could anyone help me where can I find firefly discussion?
[21:21] <skinux> nacc: Okay, PHP is working, it is at least one script that is getting WSOD. Maybe this isn't a Ubuntu question
[21:21] <pedrocr> alias_neo: yep, and bionic has 5.2
[21:21] <nacc> skinux: ok
[21:22] <nacc> !allis | zexter
[21:22] <nacc> !alis | zexter
[21:22] <adman120> how do i export a folder that contains a fuse mount
[21:24] <jnewt> any way to get my scansnap ix500 to work easily?  i just need to scan a document quickly here.  May just run to work and use my windows computer / scanner if it's going to be a research project to get it to work.
[21:25] <jnewt> have ubuntu 16.04 lts mate de
[21:25] <alkisg> jnewt: afaik it should work out of the box, just plug it in
[21:26] <jnewt> it's plugged in, button just blinks.  i have this gscan2pdf thing, but it says no devices found.
[21:26] <alkisg> jnewt: output of this?scanimage -L
[21:27] <transhuman> time to rake Intel over the coals...
[21:27] <jnewt> no scanners were identified.
[21:28] <alkisg>  jnewt, it's supposed to work out of the box, if it doesn't, yeah it's going to be a "research project" :)
[21:29] <jnewt> sane-find-scanner says your USB scanner was (probably) detected.  It may or may not be supported by SANE.
[21:31] <hurricanehrndz> does anyone run an rx580
[21:32] <EriC^^> !ask | hurricanehrndz
[21:33] <adman120> i cant get files to show up over nfs4 even with fsuid
[21:33] <adman120> fsid
[21:38] <mike-zal> why do I have "old" indications before repo source during apt update? is trusty not supported anymore?
[21:39] <skinux> Something else I've been wondering about. I have my volume settings all the way up, yet I don't get much volume from my speakers when I watch embedded videos or NetFlix.
[21:40] <brainwash> mike-zal: full terminal output please
[21:42] <SimonNL> skinux: slider in sounds settings maybe
[21:42] <mike-zal> brainwash, here (it's in polish, "Stary" means "old"): https://pastebin.com/qtBs0jr4
[21:44] <hurricanehrndz> Okay, I have an rx580 running on ubuntu 17.10, after grub my display is completely black
[21:44] <hurricanehrndz> And my dmesg complains about VDDIC voltage, which I see a lot threads about but not solution
[21:45] <adman120> i cant get nfs4 working on my clients
[21:49] <brainwash> mike-zal: no idea. does it say "old" when you run "export LC_ALL=C; sudo apt-get update"?
[21:50] <brainwash> mike-zal: now the output should be in english
[21:51] <xenogerm_> Hello!
[21:57] <adman120> can someone help me
[21:58] <mike-zal> brainwash, now it's in english and it says "hit" instead "old", weird
[21:59] <mike-zal> brainwash, here is the output: https://pastebin.com/RuQUQ9BK
[22:01] <mike-zal> looks better, but now it's all in English, even without "export". is there a way to rewert to old language? on other hand, English in terminal is usually more helpfull...
[22:02] <mike-zal> adman120, just describe what is the problem and maybe someone will jump it and help you.
[22:02] <mike-zal> jump in*
[22:04] <adman120> how do you export a fuse module over nfs4 i know its possible im just stuck
[22:04] <IamNoob> Hi. I need some help with my external USB hard drive.
[22:04] <IamNoob> It is connected and detected.
[22:04] <IamNoob> A new disk file is created in /dev but it is not accessible.
[22:04] <mike-zal> brainwash, anyway, thanks,it turned out to be bad translation ;) and everything is ok.
[22:05] <IamNoob> Any help will be much appredcated.
[22:06] <mike-zal> have to go, by and thanks! :)
[22:07] <q3> rus
[22:07] <q3> всеми ку, как тут чеВо?
[22:07] <krytarik> !ru
[22:08] <Kremator> guys, why if main branch ubuntu LTS is supportd by 5 years then Xubuntu LTS is only supported by 3 years?
[22:13] <lia> hello
[22:14] <Kremator> guys, why if main branch ubuntu LTS is supportd by 5 years then Xubuntu LTS is only supported by 3 years?
[22:16] <krytarik> Kremator: Flavors can opt for a shorter period or no LTS at all.
[22:16] <adman120> how do you export a fuse module over nfs4 i know its possible im just stuck
[22:16] <lia> why is my plug not going in the ubuntu plug to do this
[22:21] <dsaravanan> When booting the following message is displayed: "lvmetad is not active yet, using during direct activation during sysinit". I use Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. What it means and how to rectify it?
[22:24] <pedrocr> how do I go back to the normal 16.04 LTS stack from the HWE one?
[22:25] <oerheks> !lts | Kremator
[22:26] <oerheks> pedrocr, maybe these urls are any help :  http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/02/install-remove-enablement-stacks-ubuntu-16-04/  ::: https://askubuntu.com/questions/509613/how-to-downgrade-hwe
[22:26] <Kremator> my question now is, if i install an unsupported version of xubuntu (4 example) what kind of support i would be loosing
[22:26] <Kremator> i wouldnt get updates?
[22:26] <pedrocr> oerheks: thanks
[22:26] <tpw_rules> hey. i can't get fail2ban to work. i've enabled sshd, started it, and tried to log in with a bad username nad password but it's not blocking anything. logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26373536/
[22:27] <oerheks> Kremator, if you are lucky, the old repos are online, else no, no updates, no firefox and so on, and no support here
[22:28] <oerheks> see the !eol factoid how to enable that old repos
[22:28] <oerheks> !eol
[22:28] <Kremator> and what would be the difference from installing xubuntu vs installing mainline ubuntu and then installing xfce over it??
[22:29] <oerheks> Kremator, you would have 2 desktops then, at login
[22:29] <Kremator> i mean, if i install ubuntu 14.04 and install xfce to it, i would still receive the updates until 2019 right?
[22:29] <oerheks> adding a 2nd desktop is no problem, removing one can be a headpain
[22:29] <IamNoob> Help with external hdd please.
[22:29] <oerheks> Kremator, yes, but not for xfce..
[22:29] <booo> How can I ensure apt doesn't delete packages after installing them in the installer?
[22:30] <Kremator> oerheks, but i would still receive updates and stay "on" support right?
[22:30] <dsaravanan> When booting the following message is displayed: "lvmetad is not active yet, using during direct activation during sysinit". I use Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. What it means and how to rectify it?
[22:30] <oerheks> Kremator, yes, for regular ubuntu
[22:30] <Kremator> oh...so it's the xfce as DE that wouldnt receive updaes
[22:30] <oerheks> jups
[22:30] <Kremator> :/
[22:31] <Kremator> >tfw even your machine gets outdated by linux standards
[22:31] <oerheks> question is: would you really like to run an 3 year+ desktop ?
[22:31] <akik> booo: did you check /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[22:31] <booo> Ie. what configuration option deletes them?
[22:31] <booo> Yes it deletes them from there
[22:31] <Loshki> dsaravanan: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/166832/what-is-lvmetad-and-why-would-i-want-or-need-to-use-it
[22:31] <TJ-> dsaravanan: it's just a notice, during initial RAM disk bring-up, because the LVM meta-data daemon hasn't been started. Nothing to worry about
[22:32] <Kremator> oerheks, well, tbh in ym case i think i will be needed
[22:33] <Kremator> i mean, i want to use xfce, and the version from 3 yrs ago wasnt bad
[22:33] <Kremator> i need 14.04 version because >muh kernel drivers>
[22:34] <Kremator> i cannot make my gpu work out 2 screen at the same time (in extended config) in 16.04
[22:34] <Kremator> and atm im hoping 18.04 doesnt become a shitshow 17.10 is
[22:38] <IamNoob> any help with external hdd guys?
[22:39] <oerheks> IamNoob, ask, wait and see ..
[22:39] <booo> Kremator: You know how to use xrandr right
[22:40] <Kremator> booo, yeah, the problem wasnt config the screens
[22:40] <booo> IamNoob: What kind of help do you want?
[22:41] <booo> Right
[22:41] <IamNoob> @oerheks I am asking and waiting.
[22:41] <booo> So drivers more
[22:41] <Kremator> the problem was that my GPYU couldnt "wake up" or send video signal to 2 screen simultaneously
[22:41] <booo> Right
[22:41] <Kremator> GPU*
[22:41] <Kremator> in 14.04 it just magically works, in 16.04 nay
[22:41] <IamNoob> Thanks. I have attached usb external hdd. It is detected but not accessible
[22:41] <Kremator> in 17.10 fiddling too mcuh with it could shut down both screen lo
[22:42] <oerheks> IamNoob, what filesystem is on that? exfat?
[22:42] <booo> IamNoob: Is it something that was created in or for Windows?
[22:42] <IamNoob> There are 4-5 partitions and all of them are ntfs.
[22:43] <oerheks> ntfs .. oke, maybe they are dirty/closed with errors, run a fsck on them to correct that, preferrably in windows
[22:43] <booo> IamNoob: So do you get a popup with all of these partitions?
[22:44] <booo> IamNoob: Do you know your way around the shell?
[22:44] <IamNoob> When I attach it with windows pc it is working.
[22:44] <IamNoob> yes
[22:44] <booo> Have you tried manually mounting?
[22:45] <Kremator>  booo any suggestion to my dilemma?
[22:45] <IamNoob> it is only showing /dev/sda so don't know how to mount it because it is not showing partitions
[22:45] <booo> Kremator: No not yet
[22:46] <booo> What happens when you run cfdisk /dev/sda?
[22:46] <oerheks> IamNoob, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[22:46] <hggdh> /dev/sda isprobably the (whole) primary disk, not USB
[22:47] <IamNoob> cfdisk: cannot open /dev/sda: No medium found
[22:47] <booo> You ran it as root right
[22:47] <IamNoob> yes with sudo
[22:47] <oerheks> hggdh +1
[22:48] <booo> Are you certain it is /dev/sda?
[22:48] <IamNoob> yes. it is.
[22:48] <IamNoob> brw-rw----  1 root disk      8,   0 Jan 12 21:45 sda
[22:49] <booo> Well at this point you' ll need to generate some hardware report that others know better how to do
[22:49] <IamNoob> hardware report? using dmesg or something else?
[22:49] <booo> So when you connect it and run dmesg, it is at the end of the output right
[22:50] <IamNoob> yup
[22:50] <IamNoob> just a sec
[22:50] <booo> more like lshw
[22:51] <IamNoob> how to paste the report here?
[22:51] <hggdh> IamNoob: you can run Gnome Disk, and it should show you all disk (or disk-like) things in your system
[22:52] <hggdh> !pastebin | IamNoob
[22:52] <booo> You can dmesg | tail -n 20 | nc termbin.com 9999 if you want
[22:52] <IamNoob> http://termbin.com/qf0m
[22:53] <booo> And what does sudo blkid /dev/sda show?
[22:54] <IamNoob> nothing
[22:54] <IamNoob> just go to prompt again without any output.
[22:54] <BadBunny> hi. what do i need to install, to get correct japanese fonts on x-forwarding. server and client are both ubuntu 16.04
[22:55] <BadBunny> currently i only get squares with hexadecimal values
[22:55] <booo> I suppose a testrun of "sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100" would also fail?
[22:56] <oerheks> BadBunny, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-jp
[22:56] <IamNoob> yup. it failed.
[22:56] <IamNoob> dd: failed to open '/dev/sda': No medium found
[22:56] <BadBunny> oerheks: i'll try. if they speak english too. my japanese is not that goot
[22:56] <booo> The USB identifiers are also weird
[22:57] <booo> I think you are slightly out of luck here....
[22:57] <oerheks> HUH ???  a testrun of "sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100"   ... that ruins the first disk, don' t do that!
[22:57] <booo> And you'll have to do much more digging for this.
[22:57] <oerheks> booo, he is pointing to an external disk, that is *never* sda
[22:57] <booo> Oerheksie it doesn't...
[22:57] <IamNoob> Right. I am ready. If someone help me I will do it.
[22:58] <booo> IamNoob: You booting from USB or something right?
[22:58] <IamNoob> @oerheks it is sda because my system is mmcblk1
[22:58] <kenrin> I don't think you need anything special for the fonts,  just UTF
[22:59] <kenrin> I had to change my terminal to utf-8 to show up
[22:59] <booo> But my point is I have no clue what could be wrong.
[23:00] <oerheks> i think that external hdd is not ntfs, but exfat ...
[23:00] <booo> The generic name is weird, the serial number is weird
[23:00] <IamNoob> When I unplug external hdd /dev/sda is gone.
[23:00] <booo> It would still need to show a partition table honey
[23:00] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils // plug the hdd back in
[23:00] <hggdh> oerheks: nothing prohibits one from having an USB disk with NTFS
[23:00] <IamNoob> You are right. But it is not.
[23:01] <booo> The whole thing doesn't work
[23:01] <hggdh> IamNoob: do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[23:01] <booo> The whole device doesn't even work
[23:01] <IamNoob> This is actually a generic enclosure. hdd is inside enclosure.
[23:01] <booo> Right
[23:01] <oerheks> ntfs is standard available now..
[23:01] <IamNoob> yes I have installed ntfs-3g.
[23:02] <hggdh> imadz713: open Gnome Disk, and have a look at it
[23:02] <booo> Well I can't help you but to suggest a different USB card, or different enclosure, or directly connect via eSata, or whatever
[23:02] <booo> But maybe you can find info online
[23:02] <hggdh> IamNoob: open Gnome Disk, and have a look at it (sorry imadz713
[23:02] <IamNoob> Well I am connected to my pc stick through ssh
[23:03] <hggdh> IamNoob: does mount show it?
[23:03] <IamNoob> So no graphics mode available
[23:03] <IamNoob> nopes. mount doesn't show it.
[23:03] <booo> So are you booted from SDcard or something?
[23:04] <IamNoob> Yes. it is built-in eMMC I think.
[23:04] <booo> Are we talking about a Raspberry?
[23:04] <IamNoob> Nopes. It is Intel Compute Stick
[23:04] <booo> Right
[23:05] <booo> Interesting
[23:05] <booo> Maybe you can find some info online
[23:05] <IamNoob> Yes. I want to keep my interest intact if this starts working.
[23:05] <IamNoob> I tried but nothing found there.
[23:06] <oerheks> i stll think it is not ntfs, but exfat ...
[23:06] <booo> You'll need to get info on the USB controller
[23:06] <IamNoob> you mean lsusb?
[23:06] <oerheks> or dirty unmounted
[23:06] <booo> If you want pastebin lshw
[23:06] <IamNoob> ok. wait a sec.
[23:08] <booo> Oerheks you're so sweet hahaha
[23:10] <IamNoob> here you go. https://pastebin.com/bZhQqGrj
[23:10] <booo> Cute
[23:10] <booo> Ok
[23:10] <IamNoob> This is usb portion of lshw
[23:11] <IamNoob> Let me grab my cup of tea.
[23:11] <booo> I am on a very slow link and the site might actually not load
[23:12] <booo> That sight seriously loads at least 20 different domains
[23:13] <IamNoob> its OK. take your time.
[23:15] <booo> But I can't help you, I can't google and even if you showed me dmesg it probably still wouldn't help
[23:15] <booo> So this is it for me alright
[23:15] <IamNoob> It is OK. Thanks anyway for your time.
[23:15] <booo> Intel generally has a team dedicated to Linux support (hardware support)
[23:16] <booo> So maybe you can even contact them
[23:16] <IamNoob> through irc or my email?
[23:16] <booo> They write their own drivers for Linux
[23:16] <booo> No, through their project website
[23:16] <booo> But everything else requires being a kernel developer here
[23:16] <IamNoob> OK. Thanks. I will try there.
[23:16] <nacc> IamNoob: what is your issue?
[23:17] <booo> He has an Intel Compute Stick with a generic usb enclosure that won't allow access to his harddisk
[23:17] <IamNoob> @nacc my external hard drive is not accessible but it is detected.
[23:17] <nacc> IamNoob: not accessible how? what does dmesg say?
[23:18] <booo> Trying to access it produces "Medium not found" and the partition table is never loaded
[23:18] <nacc> booo: IamNoob: trying to access it how? again, what does dmesg say?
[23:18] <booo> This was his dmesg: http://termbin.com/qf0m
[23:18] <booo> Like a dd read
[23:19] <booo> Or cfdisk
[23:19] <IamNoob> http://termbin.com/qf0m
[23:19] <IamNoob> This is dmesg output
[23:19] <booo> I'll leave you to it
[23:19] <ObrienDave> what size disk?
[23:19] <IamNoob> Thanks @booo
[23:20] <IamNoob> about 350GB with 5 partitions. all of them are ntfs.
[23:20] <IamNoob> fdisk -l doesn't show this disk.
[23:20] <nacc> IamNoob: ok, so you've plugged the device into your computer over the usb cable?
[23:20] <IamNoob> yes. that is right.
[23:21] <nacc> IamNoob: and why do you want to access the innternal storage?
[23:21] <nacc> IamNoob: like what is your actual goal?
[23:21] <IamNoob> I am sorry I didn't get you. Internal or External?
[23:21] <nacc> IamNoob: why do you want to access your compute stick's storage medium?
[23:21] <nagyg> hi
[23:22] <ObrienDave> is ntfs-config installed?
[23:22] <IamNoob> My compute stick storage medium is internal. it is eMMC and linux is installed on it.
[23:22] <IamNoob> let me check.
[23:23] <ObrienDave> and check ntfs-3g
[23:23] <nacc> ObrienDave: good thought, that should onlny matter for mounting the filesystems, i think
[23:23] <nacc> accessing the partitions directly should work w/ or w/o ntfs support
[23:23] <ObrienDave> no mount, detect but no access :)
[23:23] <nacc> IamNoob: ok, and are you looking to modify that Linux? that didn't really answer myquestion
[23:24] <IamNoob> it wasn't installed and I have installed it now.
[23:24] <nacc> ObrienDave: hrm? booo earlier said they couldn't dd
[23:24] <ObrienDave> missed that part
[23:25] <IamNoob> Still not accessible.
[23:25] <DexterF> heya
[23:25] <IamNoob> Let me replug it.
[23:25] <nacc> IamNoob: are you connecting to a laptop to desktop? if laptop, si the laptop plugged in?
[23:25] <DexterF> can someone tell me how to take syslogs from a specific daemon out of syslog? I created an /etc/rsyslog.d/99-somed rule says : startswith ... /var/log/somed.log followed by a line with "& ~". restarted rsyslog, now logs to both syslog and somed.log. why still syslog?
[23:26] <IamNoob> nacc: I am connected to my compute stick with ssh on my laptop.
[23:26] <nacc> IamNoob: wait
[23:26] <nacc> IamNoob: what are you trying to do?
[23:26] <nacc> IamNoob: please just answer the question
[23:27] <IamNoob> Sorry. Still not accessible.
[23:28] <IamNoob> I am on my laptop. My compute stick is running headless and connected to my router.
[23:28] <chillpil1_> fing
[23:28] <nacc> DexterF: where is teh documentation for "& ~"? Did you mean "& stop" ?
[23:28] <vivus> Hello all
[23:29] <nacc> IamNoob: ok ... please answer the question!
[23:29]  * ObrienDave stays out from here
[23:29] <IamNoob> My laptop is also connected to my router and I am connected to my compute stick via ssh
[23:29] <IamNoob> External USB hdd is connected to my compute stick.
[23:29] <vivus> in this question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15883416/adding-git-branch-on-the-bash-command-prompt#24716445 on the answer with 28 upvotes and using `apt install bash-completion` , how do I do step 3?
[23:30] <IamNoob> nacc: Sorry what question?
[23:30]  * ObrienDave whistles sheepishly
[23:30] <nacc> IamNoob: ... what are you trying to do?
[23:30] <nacc> IamNoob: your end goal.
[23:31] <IamNoob> I want my compute stick to be development platform to compile kernel and other linux code.
[23:31] <nacc> IamNoob: uh
[23:31] <IamNoob> And I want my hdd to used as its drive.
[23:31] <nacc> IamNoob: what??
[23:31] <nacc> IamNoob: hold on
[23:32] <IamNoob> because its internal drive is only 32GB
[23:32] <nacc> vivus: literally as written at a terminal prompt
[23:32] <nacc> vivus: or you can add it to your .bashrc
[23:33] <IamNoob> nacc: I am held:)
[23:33] <vivus> nacc: do I need to add it to the .bashrc to make itself run without doing it manually each time?
[23:34] <nacc> IamNoob: so you have a computer, whatever it is (in this case ICS). You want to a) use it as a development machine and b) make your laptop's internal hard drive be the ICS's storage?
[23:34] <nacc> vivus: yes
[23:34] <vivus> nacc: on which line? any line after step 2?
[23:34] <IamNoob> nacc: Nopes.
[23:35] <nacc> IamNoob: ok, in one line then, please state your goal.
[23:35] <IamNoob> nacc: My hdd is external not laptop's Internal hdd.
[23:35] <nacc> IamNoob: I have no way of knowing that.
[23:35] <nacc> IamNoob: when you say hdd, do you mean a USB thumb drive?
[23:36] <IamNoob> No. It means a loptop's small thin hdd enclosed in an enclosure and has a USB connection.
[23:36] <nacc> IamNoob: ok, so you have an external HDD and you want to plug it into your ICS?
[23:36] <TJ-> nacc: PC > USB > ICS (internal eMMC as /dev/mmcblock0) < USB enclosure </dev/sda
[23:37] <nacc> IamNoob: what does your laptop have to do with any of this?
[23:37] <TJ-> IamNoob: ^^^^ is my diagram correct?
[23:37] <nacc> TJ-: right, but they also said that the PC is on the network with the ICS, so I don't know why they have a USB connection to it
[23:37] <nacc> and, afaict, nothing they ahve said explains why they want to modify the internal storage of the ICS
[23:38] <TJ-> nacc: the ICS connects via USb (if it's like my Armory) and presents as a CDC Ethernet device, so you SSH into it
[23:38] <IamNoob> nacc: Yes. that's right.
[23:38] <TJ-> IamNoob: nacc and, I think, although Linux on the ICS can see /dev/sda it does not detect the 5 or so partitions - is that correct IamNoob ?
[23:38] <nacc> IamNoob: so the issue is you're plugging this external HDD into your ICS and it's not recognzied?
[23:39] <IamNoob> TJ-: Yes. Your diagram is correct.
[23:39] <IamNoob> It is recognized but not accessible
[23:39] <nacc> IamNoob: is it recognized by your laptop?
[23:39] <TJ-> IamNoob: nacc so the issue appears to be possibly missing kernel  modules for msdos and/or gpt
[23:39] <vivus> nacc: on which line? After step 2?
[23:40] <nacc> vivus: most .bashrc have a PS1 setting allready, modify (it helps to copy & paste the line, comment one of them out, so you know what you changed)
[23:40] <IamNoob> TJ- gpt cannot be missing because my internal eMMC is gpt partitioned and is visible.
[23:40] <nacc> IamNoob: what filesystem is the external hard drive?
[23:40] <vivus> okay nacc thanks. do you use Python virtualenv nacc ? I see that when I set it, the virtualenv name disappears
[23:41] <IamNoob> nacc: it is 5 partitions and all are ntfs.
[23:41] <nacc> vivus: i do not
[23:41] <vivus> ok np nacc ty
[23:41] <nacc> IamNoob: then why were you talking about exfat earlier?
[23:41] <nacc> vivus: but that's brecause the example in that article is nont very generic
[23:41] <nacc> vivus: it sets the terminal prompt so it *only* shows the git_ps1 and the working dir
[23:41] <vivus> nacc: is there a better way?
[23:41] <vivus> oh
[23:42] <oerheks> nacc, i did...
[23:42] <TJ-> IamNoob: try "modinfo msdos"
[23:42] <nacc> vivus: if your ps1 already contains other things (e.g., python virtualenv), then you just want to extend that
[23:42] <IamNoob> nacc: I am sorry I think you misread it. I never said exfat. They are all ntfs
[23:42] <vivus> nacc: 100 . taking a look
[23:42] <TJ-> IamNoob: if you see output, then try "lsmod | grep msdos" - if no result, do "sudo modprobe msdos"
[23:42] <nacc> vivus: you might be able to `echo $PS1` and see what it's currently set at
[23:42] <nacc> IamNoob: ok
[23:42] <IamNoob> TJ-: OK
[23:42] <nacc> IamNoob: as I asked, the disk is recognized by your laptop?
[23:43] <nacc> I could also imagine, since it's an enclosure of a laptop HDD, the ICS may not be able to drive it. I've seen odd issues like that in the past
[23:44] <vivus> nacc: \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
[23:44] <TJ-> nacc: IamNoob gave us a paste from dmesh showing the device recognised by not partition table scan http://termbin.com/qf0m
[23:44] <vivus> wow, that is on a regex-level of completely non-understandable
[23:44] <nacc> vivus: `man bash`, PROMPTING section
[23:45] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, i've seen bad usb ports do the same thing
[23:45] <nacc> TJ-: it's got enough juice to power on the disk, but not enough to actually control it, e.g.
[23:45] <nacc> TJ-: not asserting that to be the case
[23:45] <nacc> TJ-: just a thought
[23:45] <vivus> nacc: I'm guessing I will need some ninja-level customization to add both?
[23:45] <TJ-> nacc: possibly; IamNoob is the external USB enclosure powered by it's own power supply?
[23:46] <nacc> vivus: no, it's easy, just don't modify what's there.
[23:46] <IamNoob> TJ- Nopes. No external Power Supply.
[23:46] <nacc> vivus: e.g., I just put mine at the end of the line i something like $(__git_ps1 " ($s)")
[23:46] <IamNoob> But I am using a powerful power supply for my ICS.
[23:46] <IamNoob> It is 2A.
[23:47] <TJ-> IamNoob: what port is the external USB drive connected to? USB2 or USB3?
[23:47] <IamNoob> USB2
[23:47] <aruns> It's like view counts for YouTube videos, a lot of content creators probably hire companies to generate views for them.
[23:47] <aruns> Oops.
[23:47] <aruns> Wrong channel.
[23:47] <vivus> thank you nacc . if I could tip you with some micro-currency, I would. but the least I can offer is my gratitude
[23:47] <TJ-> IamNoob: IamNoob right, which has an absolute maximum current or 500mA (0.5A) which could be less than the USB connected drive needs
[23:47] <nacc> vivus: np, hopefully that works. It's worth learning a bit about the prompting, it can be extended/customized to be very useful
[23:47] <IamNoob> OK.
[23:48] <TJ-> IamNoob: if you can connect external power do it, if only to prove that isn't causing the issue!
[23:49] <IamNoob> TJ-: Right. but there is no plug for external power on enclosure.
[23:49] <TJ-> IamNoob: hmmm, what's the make/model of the enclosure/disk ?
[23:49] <IamNoob> But how come it works if connect it to my laptop's USB2 port?
[23:51] <IamNoob> TJ-: hard disk is Samsung mSATA and enclosure is something generic. There is no name on it.
[23:51] <TJ-> IamNoob: maybe the PC can supply more power
[23:52] <IamNoob> TJ-: hmmm.
[23:52] <TJ-> IamNoob: here's another test you can try, to determine if this is a partition module issue. If you have a spare USB flash stick, write a MSDOS partition table to it, plug it into the ICS, see if Linux sees the partitions.
[23:53] <TJ-> IamNoob: that sohuldn't be subject to power issues
[23:54] <IamNoob> TJ:- Yes. That is recognized and accessible. It is USB flash drive 8GB.
[23:56] <nacc> IamNoob: and it's MSDOS (or GPT) and NTFS?
[23:57] <IamNoob> that is msdos
[23:57] <TJ-> IamNoob: right, so the ICS isn't missing a partition module. So, looks like a power issue
[23:57] <IamNoob> TJ-: Right.
[23:58] <nacc> I don't think the ICS is designed to power external hard drives, based upon the market it's meant to hit
[23:59] <IamNoob> nacc: I attach it with a USB Hub and attach USB hub to ICS. Then power USB hub through its adapter.
[23:59] <shazbotmcnasty> using the 'cp' command
[23:59] <shazbotmcnasty> how do you say 'this directory' using a symbol, i've forgot
[23:59] <shazbotmcnasty> is it '-' ?
[23:59] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: .
[23:59] <shazbotmcnasty> perfect thanks
[23:59] <akik> IamNoob: is there a usb 3.0 port on the ics?
[23:59] <IamNoob> Nopes.