[05:10] <claycorn> hello
[05:16] <valorie> hey claycorn, it's been awhile
[05:16] <valorie> how are ya
[05:19] <claycorn> finally back on linux
[05:19] <claycorn> im doing well thank you
[05:19] <claycorn> :)
[05:20] <claycorn> installed kubuntu on a netbook again
[05:20] <claycorn> its working better than xp
[05:20] <valorie> naturally!
[05:21] <valorie> welcome back to the community
[05:21] <claycorn> thank you valorie :)
[05:22] <valorie> any problems so far?
[05:22] <claycorn> hmm mune is not dowloading
[05:23] <valorie> !info mune
[05:23] <valorie> not sure what that is?
[05:23] <claycorn> i have 14.04
[05:23] <valorie> is that vivid?
[05:24] <claycorn> muon
[05:24] <valorie> oh, muon
[05:24] <claycorn> discovery
[05:24] <claycorn> i got freedoom but thats it
[05:24] <valorie> muon is better than discover IMO
[05:24] <valorie> !info muon vivid
[05:25] <valorie> so, that's a package manager *not* a software store
[05:25] <valorie> I can't recall if discover was started that long ago or not
[05:26] <valorie> claycorn: any reason you aren't using 16.04 at least?
[05:26] <valorie> I think you are still back in KDE4, right?
[05:26] <claycorn> im 14.4
[05:27] <valorie> yes, so you said
[05:28] <claycorn> should i upgrade
[05:28] <claycorn> ?
[05:28] <valorie> 16.04 is mighty good
[05:28] <valorie> dunno if I would upgrade though
[05:28] <valorie> rather than a fresh install
[05:28] <claycorn> oh ok
[05:29] <valorie> you can always download 16.04.3 and try it out
[05:29] <claycorn> its running on 2 gigs of memory
[05:29] <valorie> imo Plasma has gotten easier on memory, quicker to start, etc.
[05:29] <claycorn> an older netbook
[05:29] <valorie> over time
[05:29] <valorie> the newer the better IMO
[05:30] <claycorn> but its running much faster now than xp
[05:30] <valorie> well, xp is a dinosaur
[05:30]  * DarinMiller agrees with valorie
[05:31] <claycorn> if it was a transformer it would be a dinobot
[05:31] <claycorn> :P
[05:32] <claycorn> ok bad joke sorry
[05:33] <valorie> no it's fine, but that last transformers movie didn't look that good
[05:33] <valorie> lol
[05:34] <claycorn> got any sites for tips for me
[05:35] <claycorn> been a while since i used kubuntu
[05:35] <valorie> what sort of tips?
[05:35] <valorie> seems like the biggies are kubuntuforums.net and askubuntu
[05:36] <claycorn> ok
[05:36] <claycorn> want to add more screensavers and i forgot this one cool screensaver
[05:37] <claycorn> has bricks like tetris
[05:38] <valorie> my favorite was asquiaquarium or so
[05:38] <claycorn> not that one
[05:38] <valorie> !info asciiquarium vivid
[05:38] <claycorn> i know of it
[05:38] <valorie> huh
[05:39] <valorie> doesn't run recently
[05:40] <claycorn> i remember it used blocks and made neat designs
[05:41] <valorie> not sure
[05:41] <valorie> never used anything but built-in or the aquarium
[05:41] <valorie> and don't use them at all now
[05:43] <claycorn> ok no worries
[05:43] <valorie> kubuntu forum might know however
[05:48] <claycorn> asquiarium will work for me
[05:50] <claycorn> asquiarium will work for me /
[05:50] <claycorn> where are you from valorie?
[05:51] <valorie> I'm a life-long Washingtonian
[05:51] <valorie> living south of Seattle
[05:51] <valorie> and you?
[05:52] <claycorn> south carolina
[05:53] <valorie> you've had quite the weather this winter
[05:57] <claycorn> yes we did
[06:09] <claycorn> xscreensaver is the one i want
[06:11] <valorie> !info xscreensaver vivid
[06:12] <valorie> so apt-get install xscreensaver will do it
[06:12] <valorie> or use muon
[06:15] <claycorn> ok
[06:25] <zergut> Hello when trying to load Linux image via uefi it says no default or UI configuration directive found
[06:29] <valorie> zergut: did you verify the ISO?
[06:29] <valorie> !md5
[06:29] <valorie> kubuntu has been good with uefi for years
[07:11] <zergut> valorie: no, but I've downloaded it from official torrent link
[07:12] <valorie> good
[07:12] <valorie> that's auto-verified
[07:12] <valorie> !efi
[07:12] <valorie> some of the link might help, zergut
[07:14] <zergut> valorie: yeah I see, but a man used same ISO on another pc
[07:14] <zergut> Another man
[07:14] <zergut> Another pc and everything looks okay
[07:16] <zergut> valorie: aight in case hashes is okay what can be next?
[07:16] <valorie> so there might be something peculiar about your computer
[07:16] <zergut> Like what?
[07:16] <valorie> it was a bit unclear above -- can you boot into your computer now?
[07:17] <zergut> Yes it has windows installed, booting is okay
[07:17] <valorie> can you boot into kubuntu
[07:18] <zergut> When I try to boot from USB stick it show this message and I think asking about another boot decide
[07:18] <zergut> Boot:
[07:18] <zergut> No I can't
[07:18] <zergut> Device instead of decide
[07:19] <zergut> I have 2 options uefi: USB stick and just USB stick
[07:20] <zergut> When I choose USB stick it shows this message, when I choose uefi USB it just load windows somehow
[07:20] <valorie> huh
[07:20] <valorie> sounds like grub is messed up maybe
[07:20] <valorie> !grub
[07:20] <zergut> But other pc everything okay
[07:20] <valorie> just running the fix grub command might help
[07:21] <zergut> Run where?
[07:22] <zergut> From working Linux station on USB stick?
[07:22] <valorie> please read that link above to get more help
[07:23] <valorie> sorry, I'm heading to bed
[07:23] <valorie> nearly midnight here
[07:23] <zergut> Okay thank you
[07:23] <zergut> Good night
[07:23] <valorie> best of luck
[07:23] <valorie> seems like this channel is asleep too
[07:23] <zergut>  Yeah
[07:23] <zergut> Looks like
[07:23] <valorie> you might find more help in #ubuntu which is a bigger channel
[07:24] <zergut> Thanks
[08:02] <trevize> hello, did nyone else have nvidia driver issues after last update?
[08:03] <acheronuk> trevize: valorie did, but updating the driver as well sorted it
[08:03] <acheronuk> on artful
[08:04] <trevize> do u know how he  updated it?
[08:05] <trevize> each time a driver update is released I cross my fingers
[08:05] <trevize> This one also messed my driver
[08:06] <acheronuk> trevize: she update as per https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3521-1/
[08:07] <acheronuk> i.e. to the 384.111 driver
[08:07] <acheronuk> don't know if that is an option for your card
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:18] <jimtendo_> Howdy BluesKaj
[12:19] <BluesKaj> hi jimtendo_
[14:01] <miglo> Hi! Is this the right place to ask questions about libappindicator?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> miglo, you could ask, but that's a somewhat obscure app, dunno if an answer would be forthcoming in a reasonable amount of time
[14:12] <miglo> I'm looking for a solution to show up again in the system tray the indicator for an application. I've tried some simple example GTK applications that are using libappindicator, but unfortunately an app indicator never appears in the system tray. (I'm using Kubuntu)
[14:14] <miglo> For my understanding libappindicator should be an option for none KDE applications to show their own indicator in the system tray under KDE, but I'm not 100% sure, since none of the examples is really working for me.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> miglo, which icons/apps are you trying to migrateto the system tray
[14:29] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:30] <miglo> It's an open source application based on wxGTK for which I'm trying to find a solution.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> miglo, what about trying the quicklaunch in the panel approach instead ?
[14:34] <miglo> I have to ask Google what quicklaunch is
[14:35] <BluesKaj> !quicklaunch
[14:36] <BluesKaj> ok, quicklaunch is a panel widget one can either drag or choose apps to appear there as icons
[14:41] <BluesKaj> just use the addwidgets and search quicklaunch
[14:41] <BluesKaj> search for quicklaunch
[14:50] <BluesKaj> miglo, https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=69491
[14:55] <miglo> thanks
[16:02] <sunder> Hello
[16:46] <stoiss> Ive been trying to get nordVPN work with kubuntu  but it seems that when i click on one after having imported the openVPN profile and filled in my username and pw for the vpn service nothing happens when i click connect
[17:01] <BluesKaj> stoiss, make sure you have network-manager-openvpn and openvpn installed if openvpn is your protocol
[17:06] <stoiss> Allright. Too bad theres no better gui application for managing it. Having a vpn list with both TCP and UDP and about 100 servers per country is kinda impractical to scroll through. Id have loved to be able to sort them in a sub group
[17:12] <BluesKaj> stoiss, rather than use the GUI I settled for placing the ,ovpn files in /etc/openvpn then using the terminal with this command, which I have aliases for each server in ~/.bash_aliases file...example : alias vpnMo='sudo openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/CA*Montreal.ovpn --auth-user-pass /etc/openvpn/login.txt
[17:16] <BluesKaj> now not sure this will work for nordVPN , but it does does PIA vpn, and I think you could set either tcp or udp within the command string..there's alot of good info out there on VPN connections via the terminal
[17:18] <stoiss> BluesKaj:  PIA have an app for this. Id just prefer to be able to use a gui for it. Im just thinking that it should be possible to make a GUI that would manage many different kinds of VPN services
[17:23] <BluesKaj> think that would need to be done in network-manager-openvpn
[17:25] <BluesKaj> stoiss, maybe this will help https://askubuntu.com/questions/953402/kubuntu-network-manager-openvpn-not-routing-traffic-via-vpn-server
[19:23] <trevize> hello guys, n1 else having problems with nvidia driver 340?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> trevize, I'm using the nvidia-340 driver , but no problems here, what's your error?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> trevize, did you install it from system settings>driver manager
[19:29] <BluesKaj> ?
[19:40] <user|50410> hey guys, i'm currently stuck on trying to get kubuntu 17.10 to run on my xps 9560. "normal" ubuntu 17.10 is running fine, but everytime i use the live usb stick system and get to the page where i can decide between install and try kubuntu my computer stucks
[19:41] <user|50410> the touchpad "freezes" and when i tap try it seems to completely freeze. any ideas on how to fix that?
[19:47] <trevize> happened to me too
[19:47] <trevize> iirc
[19:48] <trevize> I just clicked on install and went smoothly
[19:48] <user|50410> i'd just want to test it out a bit before installing :D
[19:49] <user|50410> already scrawled the web a bit and played around with some boot flags, but that did not really make any difference
[19:49] <trevize> there is no need to test, u'll fall in love with it
[19:49] <trevize> its the best disto out there imo
[19:50] <trevize> new plasma is way stable than the old one
[19:50] <trevize> the only problem I got was with the nvidia drivers but ist not a distro related issue. I run it in a 10 year old computer
[19:51] <user|50410> its just that im currently using ubuntu and want to use KDE now... so i'm looking around whether to use kde neon or kubuntu :P
[19:52] <trevize> kde is way more customizable if u like to pimp it
[19:52] <user|50410> yeah that is why im wanting to witch from gnome to kde
[19:52] <BluesKaj> kde-neon is supposedly bleeding edge, but that doesn't make it a better OS
[19:52] <trevize> when I switch back to ubuntu it feels as if I am switching from android to ios
[19:53] <memphisto> there is kde-neon lts
[19:53] <user|50410> oh no, i started a war :D
[19:53] <memphisto> i'm too puzzled kde-neon lts or kubuntu lts
[19:54] <user|50410> i dont think there is an absolute answer to what is better. what matters to me is what i like :P
[19:54] <user|50410> and i dont like that i cant try it out in live system mode :ÖD
[19:55] <BluesKaj> trevize, my pc is 9 yrs old and the pc runs great ..have a few improbvements like more memory and a ssd which makes it much faster
[19:56] <user|50410> so.. anyone around here having any idea on how to fix/debug/get around the issue mentioned above from me? system stuck when i click "try kubuntu" on live usb for kubuntu 17.10 on xps 9560
[19:57] <memphisto> don't know, mybe try editing the grub for "try kubuntu" with nomodeset and stuff like that. it could be anything really
[19:58] <user|50410> okay, will look for that, thx
[19:59] <memphisto> https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[20:02] <memphisto> i'd remove quite and splash
[20:02] <memphisto> so you can watch what goes on
[20:02] <BluesKaj> err quiet splash
[20:02] <user|50410> dead simple... nomodeset did the trick
[20:03] <trevize> ‎BluesKaj‎, same here I upgraded mypc to an ssd, removed the cdrom and put an 500gb hd instead. and upgraded the ram. it runs perfectly
[20:04] <BluesKaj> trevize, so is your nvidia card misbehaving ?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> gpu that is
[20:04] <KDEhastooKs> there is not KDE without a K
[20:05] <BluesKaj> KDEhastooKs, ??
[20:07] <KDEhastooKs> CrystalMare on KDE not Crystal but Krystal
[20:08] <trevize> last update messed it up but another one is released a few hours ago and fixed it
[20:09] <BluesKaj> KDEhastooKs, do you have a question ?
[20:09] <trevize> now I am ok
[20:09] <BluesKaj> trevize, good
[20:09] <trevize> but seriously whenever I get a gpu driver update I cross my fingers
[20:09] <BluesKaj> trevize, depends where you got the driver
[20:09] <KDEhastooKs> BluesKaj, no
[20:09] <KDEhastooKs> ok now yes
[20:09] <trevize> I get them from ubuntu repo
[20:10] <KDEhastooKs> how to tag someone!?!?
[20:10] <krytarik> KDEhastooKs: Tag.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> trevize, best to use system settings>driver manager
[20:11] <KDEhastooKs> krytarlik: hello
[20:11] <krytarik> #fail
[20:14] <KDEhastooKs> lol KDE can also show the time like a human asnwer at: what time is it?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> KDEhastooKs, stop trolling please
[20:29] <trevize> ‎BluesKaj sadly driver manager does not work with me, it stays on collecting info about your system forever
[20:30] <BluesKaj> it takes a few minutes yes, but be patient it eventually finds the gpu
[20:30] <BluesKaj> trevize, which gpu is it ?
[20:31] <trevize> its an invidia gt130m
[20:31] <trevize> I ran the tool again, I'll report the results
[20:36] <BluesKaj> trevize, seems you have the correct driver installed anyway :-)
[20:37] <valorie> driver-manager used to have that bug where it never stopped "collecting info" but that's been fixed for awhile
[20:39] <BluesKaj> hi valorie yeah I haven't seen that bug for some time.
[20:40] <valorie> it still takes long than you would think
[20:40] <valorie> but it works
[20:40] <valorie> never steered me wrong yet
[20:41] <BluesKaj> yeah, I just start the manager and go do something else
[20:42] <valorie> good time to refill the cup!
[20:45] <BluesKaj> ok time to do some errands..take care folks
[22:32] <[Relic]> is there a small plasmoid for network monitoring; rather than the built in one that takes up 1/5th of the bar across the whole bottom of the screen?
[22:52] <someone_> Hi
[22:52] <someone_> I have a problem with KDE I do not know how I can solve it, the problem appeared before weeks, the problem is when ever I write a word in the search feature in launcher or by press on Alt + f2, the taskbars and the launcher will disappear for 3 sec then return again if retry use search many times KDE will freeze thus I have to logout .
[22:52] <someone_> this problem was not there before 3 weeks .
[22:54] <someone_> a user in #KDE tell me to install Backport repo, I installed it , but Is that will help , How it can help? and How I can use it
[22:54] <someone_> ?
[23:21] <valorie> someone_: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[23:22] <valorie> when you type  about system  in krunner (alt+2) what does that tell you about your plasma version?
[23:22] <valorie> [Relic]: can you upload a screenshot somewhere?
[23:22] <valorie> my nm applet is little
[23:23] <valorie> no bigger than any of the other icons
[23:25] <acheronuk> valorie: 'Network Monitor' plasmamoid is not tha same as plasma-pa in system tray
[23:27] <valorie> true, I used to have the bigger more informative one
[23:28] <acheronuk> i.e. https://i.imgur.com/iCJCL5o.png
[23:28] <valorie> but once I was no longer having problems, I got rid of it
[23:28] <valorie> yup
[23:28] <valorie> sometimes useful, but it does take a lot of space there
[23:28] <acheronuk> dunno about a smaller one :/
[23:36] <someone_> valorie I'm usibg KUbuntu 16.04 , plasmashell -v = plasmashell 5.5.5
[23:43] <valorie> someone_: and you are fully upgraded and updated?
[23:44] <valorie> we've been doing security updates and so forth
[23:44] <valorie> but yes, if you want a newer plasma version backports is the only way
[23:47] <someone_> valorie I update Kubuntu whenever the updates be available, I don't want update kde to a newer version , I just want solve this problem.
[23:48] <valorie> I'm afraid I don't have the help you need, sorry
[23:53] <someone_> no problem but Is there any tool help me to detect errors in KDE? and if I removed ~/.kde folder Is that may help ?
[23:55] <valorie> well, firstly: there is no "KDE" -- you are having problems in Plasma
[23:56] <valorie> second, the ~/.kde folder is only used for kde4 applications
[23:56] <valorie> I hope you renamed rather than removing it
[23:56] <valorie> because otherwise you've lost a lot of data that some applications (for instance konversation and amarok) use
[23:57] <valorie> the place configs and other data is now: ~/.config or ~/.local
[23:57] <valorie> please look in there rather than deleting the entire folder
[23:57] <valorie> they are just text files
[23:58] <valorie> and can be edited without root
[23:58] <valorie> it sounds to me like your baloo indexer is hanging for some reason
[23:58] <someone_> Ok , Thank you.
[23:58] <valorie> but I don't know how to fix that
[23:58] <valorie> it's always Just Worked for me
[23:59] <valorie> even back in 16.04 days
[23:59] <valorie> which seems long ago now!