| * oerheks loves clones, and no-no-brand hdd enclosures | 00:05 | |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 05:04 |
|---|---|---|
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: trolls again? | 05:05 |
| oerheks | yeah, on ignore now | 05:06 |
| oerheks | i am out of money, and sigarettes, grumble | 05:06 |
| Ben64 | not sure if troll or just dense | 05:06 |
| Ben64 | either way, i'd like it if that dude would not be there | 05:07 |
| oerheks | Ben64, his ip is from china? | 05:07 |
| lotuspsychje | 45.2 | 05:08 |
| Ben64 | GeoIP Country Edition: CA, Canada | 05:08 |
| oerheks | oh, i love Canada | 05:08 |
| Ben64 | never been | 05:08 |
| oerheks | me 2 .. | 05:08 |
| Ben64 | i see round trip flights for $200 sometimes though | 05:08 |
| lotuspsychje | too cold? | 05:09 |
| oerheks | 1st travel goal would be Iceland, then Canada-Indonesia-Belgium... | 05:09 |
| Ben64 | i been to iceland | 05:09 |
| lotuspsychje | iceland is also on our list | 05:09 |
| Ben64 | can get there for $400ish | 05:09 |
| oerheks | iceland has the largest variety of orchids | 05:09 |
| lotuspsychje | Ben64: did you go to blue lagoon? | 05:09 |
| Ben64 | no | 05:09 |
| Ben64 | was there for a long layover, did a tour thing, had some food and left | 05:10 |
| Ben64 | saw some hot springs, they said don't touch, i touched | 05:10 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 05:10 |
| oerheks | guys, i made progress with LMMS and Akai MPK mini, i can use the buttons and knobs now #0/ | 05:10 |
| lotuspsychje | neat oerheks | 05:10 |
| lotuspsychje | on artful? | 05:10 |
| oerheks | youtube helpt me a lot, i usually skip those howto's | 05:11 |
| oerheks | open selection box, then just touch a knob, and it detects.. unusual funny | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: whats the purpose of that thing? | 05:13 |
| oerheks | it is just a keyboard, with some level knobs | 05:14 |
| oerheks | and 8 drumpad buttons | 05:14 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 05:15 |
| oerheks | got it for free, had a hard time to understand, after fresh install, all went well | 05:15 |
| oerheks | now i can ad my synth too :-D | 05:15 |
| lotuspsychje | i didnt know yout techno artist :p | 05:16 |
| oerheks | me 2, lotuspsychje | 05:16 |
| oerheks | but my soundcard is limited to 2 channels :-( | 05:17 |
| lotuspsychje | http://ubnt-releases.xfree.com.ar/ubuntu-releases/zesty/ | 05:17 |
| lotuspsychje | zesty still online | 05:17 |
| oerheks | fresh isos http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/ | 05:18 |
| lotuspsychje | neat | 05:19 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-says-it-will-release-new-ubuntu-kernels-to-mitigate-spectre-flaws-519359.shtml | 05:20 |
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: i like messing with hydra | 05:20 |
| lotuspsychje | !info hydra | 05:21 |
| ubot5 | hydra (source: hydra): very fast network logon cracker. In component universe, is extra. Version 8.6-1 (artful), package size 268 kB, installed size 997 kB | 05:21 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm no | 05:21 |
| lotuspsychje | !info hydrogen | 05:22 |
| ubot5 | hydrogen (source: hydrogen): advanced drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.7-3 (artful), package size 1201 kB, installed size 6312 kB | 05:22 |
| lotuspsychje | bit different tools haha | 05:22 |
| oerheks | i know that one, but it is just a drum sequenser | 05:24 |
| oerheks | LMMS can do all instruments, and more, like your own samples | 05:24 |
| oerheks | .. but it is a bit wacky | 05:25 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 05:26 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.akaipro.com/products/keyboard-controllers/mpk-mini-mkii | 05:29 |
| lotuspsychje | usb midi | 05:30 |
| lotuspsychje | interesting | 05:30 |
| oerheks | that is version 2, i have the old one | 05:32 |
| oerheks | http://www.akaipro.com/products/search/mpk-mini | 05:33 |
| oerheks | no external power needed, so you can use it on a laptop | 05:33 |
| lotuspsychje | neat | 05:33 |
| lotuspsychje | !info lakai | 05:34 |
| ubot5 | lakai (source: lakai): transfers samples between a PC and an AKAI sampler. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-2 (artful), package size 35 kB, installed size 155 kB | 05:34 |
| oerheks | ohhh .. good find, i hope it works for me, a sampler is something else i think | 05:35 |
| lotuspsychje | lmms looks real pro wow | 05:37 |
| lotuspsychje | never tested that | 05:37 |
| oerheks | it is for AKAI sampler (S1000, S2000) | 05:39 |
| oerheks | :-( | 05:39 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 05:40 |
| lotuspsychje | morning EriC^^ | 05:44 |
| oerheks | :-) | 05:45 |
| EriC^^ | morning lotuspsychje | 05:45 |
| EriC^^ | how are you? | 05:45 |
| lotuspsychje | great, chillin saturday :p | 05:45 |
| EriC^^ | cool :D | 05:45 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: what your upto? | 05:45 |
| EriC^^ | just woke up | 05:46 |
| EriC^^ | wishing there was a mygrid to get me coffee | 05:46 |
| EriC^^ | haha, it's damn cold | 05:47 |
| sol | yo, is there a decent way of uninstalling sudo? | 05:47 |
| sol | ubuntu seems to want to take 'ubuntu-minimal' with it | 05:47 |
| sol | which seems downright retarded to me | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: what command did you enter? | 05:47 |
| sol | apt remove sudo | 05:47 |
| sol | apt purge sudo does the same | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | sudo is part of the ubuntu system | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | we dont reccomend that | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: but, its your system... | 05:48 |
| sol | yeah I can take the risk, sudo is not something I'm used to | 05:48 |
| sol | and given that it's had security holes a mile long (like every other complex setuid bin) I'd rather take that risk | 05:48 |
| lotuspsychje | what security holes? | 05:49 |
| sol | you mean like this? https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-118/product_id-200/Todd-Miller-Sudo.html | 05:49 |
| lotuspsychje | keep your system up to date? | 05:49 |
| sol | that's like suggesting I run apache or nginx but keep it up to date when I'm not running a webserver | 05:50 |
| sol | you guys are absolutely baffling lol | 05:50 |
| sol | I'm just going to rm the bin, thanks anyway hah | 05:51 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: its you, that wants a reverse thing | 05:51 |
| lotuspsychje | its more risk to su then sudo | 05:51 |
| sol | how do you figure that? | 05:51 |
| lotuspsychje | !sudo | 05:51 |
| ubot5 | sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo | 05:51 |
| lotuspsychje | ubuntu uses it and we like it | 05:52 |
| Ben64 | could always use not ubuntu | 05:53 |
| sol | or I could rm the bin just like I did? | 05:53 |
| sol | you're strangely defensive | 05:53 |
| Ben64 | sure whatever floats your boat | 05:53 |
| sol | it's crappy software, you're welcome to have it built in | 05:53 |
| sol | I'm not saying remove it from the install | 05:53 |
| Ben64 | it's not crappy | 05:53 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: you can only speak for your own system, on our end it works like a charm | 05:54 |
| sol | sure, and it's one more potential area for security holes | 05:54 |
| lotuspsychje | morning Jordan_U | 05:54 |
| sol | it's like saying windows works great for you | 05:54 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: if you find a sudo security hole, come tell us ok? | 05:54 |
| Ben64 | sol: opening up the root account is a security hole | 05:54 |
| sol | I'm sure it does, but not being able to remove all unnecessary services & root-access apps is a security issue | 05:54 |
| sol | lotuspsychje, I just gave you a list | 05:55 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: if you su, on a non-updated system your vulnerable too | 05:55 |
| lotuspsychje | or run programs as root for longer time | 05:55 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: you silent now? | 05:58 |
| sol | nah, just didn't want to type an essay | 05:59 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: if you join irc as root and dont have sudo to work with anymore..your a big risk | 05:59 |
| sol | you're an idiot if you run irc as root | 05:59 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: how you gonna solve that? | 05:59 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: you just said you only wanna use su? | 05:59 |
| * sol facepalms | 05:59 | |
| sol | you su for administrative tasks, if you want to run that risk | 06:00 |
| sol | otherwise you login as root | 06:00 |
| sol | (again, for administrative tasks) | 06:00 |
| sol | you don't run a desktop as root | 06:00 |
| sol | and you don't run network apps as root | 06:00 |
| Ben64 | more of a security hole than sudo | 06:00 |
| sol | I don't know why you'd think that | 06:01 |
| sol | there's no logical path to get there | 06:01 |
| Ben64 | because it's true | 06:01 |
| sol | sudo has had tons of security holes over the years | 06:02 |
| sol | very serious ones | 06:02 |
| lotuspsychje | nothing an update cant fix | 06:02 |
| Ben64 | everything has had security holes over the years | 06:02 |
| lotuspsychje | +1 | 06:03 |
| sol | I don't recall any security holes in su | 06:03 |
| sol | the greater the complexity of an app, and one that runs as setuid, has massively more risk | 06:03 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: again, its your system do what you want right? | 06:03 |
| lotuspsychje | but we will work with sudo | 06:03 |
| sol | if you want to reframe the discussion, sure | 06:04 |
| sol | I'm not suggesting you don't | 06:04 |
| sol | you wanted to state that it's more secure | 06:04 |
| sol | it's not, it's more convenient | 06:04 |
| sol | that's fine, people can run convenience all day on their system | 06:04 |
| lotuspsychje | system can be compromized all kinds of ways | 06:04 |
| lotuspsychje | if you have su or sudo,doesnt matter | 06:05 |
| sol | if you have _both_ | 06:05 |
| sol | logically speaking, you are open for more security holes | 06:05 |
| sol | are you not? | 06:05 |
| Ben64 | by default you can't get to root with su in ubuntu | 06:05 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: more security holes depends on many things | 06:06 |
| lotuspsychje | system not up to date, running services,open ports,.. | 06:06 |
| sol | yep, less services = higher security | 06:06 |
| sol | updating for security updates more often = higher security | 06:07 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: lets say someone targets you, you will loose also with su | 06:07 |
| sol | nope | 06:07 |
| sol | speak for yourself haha :) | 06:07 |
| lotuspsychje | sol: foolish to think your 100% secure | 06:08 |
| sol | I have more layers than an onion, baby | 06:08 |
| lotuspsychje | many onions end up in jail baby | 06:09 |
| sol | my comment had nothing to do with tor :p | 06:10 |
| sol | anyway, this onion includes a jail | 06:10 |
| sol | so funny you would say that :D | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic zesty | 06:16 |
| ubot5 | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.10.0.42.42 (zesty), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic artful | 06:16 |
| ubot5 | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.13.0.25.26 (artful), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: artful kernel on xenial? | 06:17 |
| lotuspsychje | thats weird right | 06:17 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: I bet if we look at the release schedule that 16.04.3 has zesty kernel . I check . | 06:26 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm | 06:27 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: mean artful? | 06:28 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: your on xenial atm right, can you uname -a? | 06:29 |
| EriC^^ | sure | 06:32 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/ | 06:32 |
| EriC^^ | Linux e 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 06:32 |
| lotuspsychje | kpti bug shows updated kernels like EriC^^ | 06:32 |
| lotuspsychje | so somethings wrong right | 06:32 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: 16.04.3 should install with the 4.10 kernel .. hummmm // 4.13 not scheduled 'til next month . | 06:33 |
| acheronuk | Bashing-om: it was brought forward, rather than fix the 4.10 from zesty | 06:35 |
| acheronuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown | 06:36 |
| acheronuk | "The Rolling HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 will go to 4.13 early, instead of also fixing 4.10 HWE kernel." | 06:36 |
| lotuspsychje | acheronuk: this user kermyt is on hwe then? | 06:37 |
| Bashing-om | acheronuk: Great to lnow .. who is qualified to update the HWE wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack ? | 06:37 |
| acheronuk | I would guess so | 06:38 |
| lotuspsychje | <kermyt> Linux games 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu | 06:38 |
| acheronuk | looks like the only people to edit that so far have been the kernel team themselves, so probably best left to them | 06:40 |
| lotuspsychje | acheronuk: he said he just freshly downloaded 16.04.3 | 06:41 |
| acheronuk | not sure it needs an edit, as it's only a 'proposal' for schedule on that | 06:41 |
| acheronuk | lotuspsychje: well, those isos habe no been respun | 06:41 |
| acheronuk | *have | 06:41 |
| acheronuk | http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.3/ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.manifest | 06:43 |
| acheronuk | linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic | 06:44 |
| lotuspsychje | he says he updated system to latest | 06:45 |
| lotuspsychje | and still on 4.13 | 06:45 |
| acheronuk | as the linux meta for that now rolls with the HWE one, any update would pull in the 4.13 | 06:45 |
| lotuspsychje | should be correct on https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3523-2/ | 06:45 |
| acheronuk | so it it correct he would be updated to 4.13 if did a full update | 06:46 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 06:46 |
| lotuspsychje | so the difference is from users that had 16.04.2 earlier to get to 4.4? | 06:50 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: 16.04.1 install remains on NON hwe : sysop@x1604:~$ uname -r >> 4.4.0-109-generic . | 06:53 |
| acheronuk | yes, 16.04.1 did no have the HWE kernel meta packages, so stays on the native kernel unless you switch | 06:54 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 06:55 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: So far as I am presently aware .. 32 bit remains broke in these late USN convolutions . | 06:57 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 06:57 |
| oerheks | # | 07:04 |
| oerheks | +63 | 07:04 |
| Bashing-om | Once more, the flesh is weak .. g nite \o | 07:19 |
| ducasse | good morning, all | 07:39 |
| alkisg | Good morning ducasse, hi everyone :) | 07:42 |
| ducasse | hi alkisg - how are you today? | 07:44 |
| alkisg | It's weekend! All is well! :D | 07:44 |
| ducasse | yep! :) still cold here, but at least i don't need to go out :) | 07:47 |
| lotuspsychje_ | morning ducasse alkisg | 08:17 |
| lotuspsychje_ | teamviewer has a nice indicator on gnome | 08:19 |
| lotuspsychje_ | its the first i seen | 08:19 |
| === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje | ||
| lotuspsychje | !deb | 09:10 |
| ubot5 | deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility. | 09:10 |
| oerheks | alkisg, V7 asks debian questions again, i read him in ##linux too.. :-D | 10:28 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 12:16 |
| oerheks | heya BluesKaj | 12:33 |
| BluesKaj | Hey oerheks | 12:34 |
| BluesKaj | oerheks, have you tried the spectre-meltdown-checker.sh scrpt yet ? https://pastebin.ca/3958586 | 13:00 |
| BluesKaj | or here https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker | 13:03 |
| oerheks | nope | 13:04 |
| oerheks | i think this is just a marketing-thingy, to boost intel sales next month | 13:05 |
| oerheks | though i stopped electronic banking :-D | 13:05 |
| BluesKaj | this old pc passed the vulnerability test , but my lenovo laptop is still vulnerable even after the new kernel patch was installed | 13:06 |
| BluesKaj | the lenovo laptop uses an intel i3 cpu | 13:07 |
| oerheks | do i need to run this as root?? | 13:10 |
| oerheks | i run i3 too .. | 13:10 |
| oerheks | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26378019/ | 13:11 |
| oerheks | not vulnerable \o/ | 13:11 |
| oerheks | and with sudo .. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26378034/ | 13:13 |
| BluesKaj | check line 9 | 13:16 |
| oerheks | yeah, they want me to buy a new pc :-( | 13:18 |
| oerheks | what is next, hidden code in SSD controllers? | 13:18 |
| oerheks | ( also known since 2014 ) | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | hehe, ok :-) | 13:23 |
| * BluesKaj is not buying another pc due to that vulnerability | 13:24 | |
| oerheks | I will be happily waiting for the stream 2nd hand pc' s due to this new year gift | 13:25 |
| oerheks | :-D | 13:25 |
| oerheks | i7 & nvidia 1060 | 13:25 |
| BluesKaj | that would be cool, check ebay | 13:26 |
| daftykins | i doubt anyone is that much of a tinfoil hat wearer :) | 13:26 |
| oerheks | daftykins, i would love to build a wall of pc's around your house :-D | 13:28 |
| oerheks | or a huge step to your roof, and eat a banana ' till you come home | 13:28 |
| daftykins | ooh dear, would you throw barrels down? | 13:29 |
| * BluesKaj checks ebay | 13:29 | |
| oerheks | 325 upgraded, 16 newly installed, 2 to remove and 845 not upgraded. | 13:38 |
| * oerheks rolf | 13:38 | |
| daftykins | O_O what's that from? | 13:38 |
| oerheks | :-D | 13:38 |
| oerheks | i wanted to see who is alive | 13:38 |
| oerheks | *gotcha* | 13:39 |
| daftykins | i am having a nice lazy Saturday :> | 13:39 |
| oerheks | me too, listening to my whole Michael Jackson collection | 13:39 |
| daftykins | climbed up the scaffold to see the new leadwork up on the roof! it's looking good | 13:39 |
| oerheks | & dancing with Drabber, he likes that | 13:40 |
| daftykins | :D | 13:40 |
| daftykins | i'll bet he has some moves | 13:40 |
| oerheks | he likes the shakes & twists | 13:40 |
| oerheks | ( in my arms, that is) | 13:40 |
| oerheks | got a fresh pack of tobacco, so i am fine, let the bad weather come ! https://twitter.com/WinterExpert/status/952152249932959746/photo/1 | 13:41 |
| daftykins | :O | 13:43 |
| pauljw | hi everyone | 16:03 |
| BluesKaj | Hi pauljw | 16:08 |
| pauljw | hi BluesKaj :) | 16:09 |
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