* oerheks loves clones, and no-no-brand hdd enclosures00:05
lotuspsychjegood morning to all05:04
lotuspsychjeoerheks: trolls again?05:05
oerheksyeah, on ignore now05:06
oerheksi am out of money, and sigarettes, grumble05:06
Ben64not sure if troll or just dense05:06
Ben64either way, i'd like it if that dude would not be there05:07
oerheksBen64, his ip is from china?05:07
Ben64GeoIP Country Edition: CA, Canada05:08
oerheksoh, i love Canada05:08
Ben64never been05:08
oerheksme 2 ..05:08
Ben64i see round trip flights for $200 sometimes though05:08
lotuspsychjetoo cold?05:09
oerheks1st travel goal would be Iceland, then Canada-Indonesia-Belgium...05:09
Ben64i been to iceland05:09
lotuspsychjeiceland is also on our list05:09
Ben64can get there for $400ish05:09
oerheksiceland has the largest variety of orchids05:09
lotuspsychjeBen64: did you go to blue lagoon?05:09
Ben64was there for a long layover, did a tour thing, had some food and left05:10
Ben64saw some hot springs, they said don't touch, i touched05:10
oerheksguys, i made progress with LMMS and Akai MPK mini, i can use the buttons and knobs now #0/05:10
lotuspsychjeneat oerheks05:10
lotuspsychjeon artful?05:10
oerheksyoutube helpt me a lot, i usually skip those howto's05:11
oerheksopen selection box, then just touch a knob, and it detects.. unusual funny05:12
lotuspsychjeoerheks: whats the purpose of that thing?05:13
oerheksit is just a keyboard, with some level knobs05:14
oerheksand 8 drumpad buttons05:14
oerheksgot it for free, had a hard time to understand, after fresh install, all went well05:15
oerheksnow i can ad my synth too :-D05:15
lotuspsychjei didnt know yout techno artist :p05:16
oerheksme 2, lotuspsychje05:16
oerheksbut my soundcard is limited to 2 channels :-(05:17
lotuspsychjezesty still online05:17
oerheksfresh isos http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/05:18
lotuspsychjeoerheks: i like messing with hydra05:20
lotuspsychje!info hydra05:21
ubot5hydra (source: hydra): very fast network logon cracker. In component universe, is extra. Version 8.6-1 (artful), package size 268 kB, installed size 997 kB05:21
lotuspsychjehmm no05:21
lotuspsychje!info hydrogen05:22
ubot5hydrogen (source: hydrogen): advanced drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.7-3 (artful), package size 1201 kB, installed size 6312 kB05:22
lotuspsychjebit different tools haha05:22
oerheksi know that one, but it is just a drum sequenser05:24
oerheksLMMS can do all instruments, and more, like your own samples05:24
oerheks.. but it is a bit wacky05:25
lotuspsychjeusb midi05:30
oerheksthat is version 2, i have the old one05:32
oerheksno external power needed, so you can use it on a laptop05:33
lotuspsychje!info lakai05:34
ubot5lakai (source: lakai): transfers samples between a PC and an AKAI sampler. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-2 (artful), package size 35 kB, installed size 155 kB05:34
oerheksohhh .. good find, i hope it works for me, a sampler is something else i think05:35
lotuspsychjelmms looks real pro wow05:37
lotuspsychjenever tested that05:37
oerheksit is for AKAI sampler (S1000, S2000)05:39
lotuspsychjemorning EriC^^05:44
EriC^^morning lotuspsychje05:45
EriC^^how are you?05:45
lotuspsychjegreat, chillin saturday :p05:45
EriC^^cool :D05:45
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: what your upto?05:45
EriC^^just woke up05:46
EriC^^wishing there was a mygrid to get me coffee05:46
EriC^^haha, it's damn cold05:47
solyo, is there a decent way of uninstalling sudo?05:47
solubuntu seems to want to take 'ubuntu-minimal' with it05:47
solwhich seems downright retarded to me05:47
lotuspsychjesol: what command did you enter?05:47
solapt remove sudo05:47
solapt purge sudo does the same05:47
lotuspsychjesudo is part of the ubuntu system05:47
lotuspsychjewe dont reccomend that05:47
lotuspsychjesol: but, its your system...05:48
solyeah I can take the risk, sudo is not something I'm used to05:48
soland given that it's had security holes a mile long (like every other complex setuid bin) I'd rather take that risk05:48
lotuspsychjewhat security holes?05:49
solyou mean like this? https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-118/product_id-200/Todd-Miller-Sudo.html05:49
lotuspsychjekeep your system up to date?05:49
solthat's like suggesting I run apache or nginx but keep it up to date when I'm not running a webserver05:50
solyou guys are absolutely baffling lol05:50
solI'm just going to rm the bin, thanks anyway hah05:51
lotuspsychjesol: its you, that wants a reverse thing05:51
lotuspsychjeits more risk to su then sudo05:51
solhow do you figure that?05:51
ubot5sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo05:51
lotuspsychjeubuntu uses it and we like it05:52
Ben64could always use not ubuntu05:53
solor I could rm the bin just like I did?05:53
solyou're strangely defensive05:53
Ben64sure whatever floats your boat05:53
solit's crappy software, you're welcome to have it built in05:53
solI'm not saying remove it from the install05:53
Ben64it's not crappy05:53
lotuspsychjesol: you can only speak for your own system, on our end it works like a charm05:54
solsure, and it's one more potential area for security holes05:54
lotuspsychjemorning Jordan_U05:54
solit's like saying windows works great for you05:54
lotuspsychjesol: if you find a sudo security hole, come tell us ok?05:54
Ben64sol: opening up the root account is a security hole05:54
solI'm sure it does, but not being able to remove all unnecessary services & root-access apps is a security issue05:54
sollotuspsychje, I just gave you a list05:55
lotuspsychjesol: if you su, on a non-updated system your vulnerable too05:55
lotuspsychjeor run programs as root for longer time05:55
lotuspsychjesol: you silent now?05:58
solnah, just didn't want to type an essay05:59
lotuspsychjesol: if you join irc as root and dont have sudo to work with anymore..your a big risk05:59
solyou're an idiot if you run irc as root05:59
lotuspsychjesol: how you gonna solve that?05:59
lotuspsychjesol: you just said you only wanna use su?05:59
* sol facepalms05:59
solyou su for administrative tasks, if you want to run that risk06:00
solotherwise you login as root06:00
sol(again, for administrative tasks)06:00
solyou don't run a desktop as root06:00
soland you don't run network apps as root06:00
Ben64more of a security hole than sudo06:00
solI don't know why you'd think that06:01
solthere's no logical path to get there06:01
Ben64because it's true06:01
solsudo has had tons of security holes over the years06:02
solvery serious ones06:02
lotuspsychjenothing an update cant fix06:02
Ben64everything has had security holes over the years06:02
solI don't recall any security holes in su06:03
solthe greater the complexity of an app, and one that runs as setuid, has massively more risk06:03
lotuspsychjesol: again, its your system do what you want right?06:03
lotuspsychjebut we will work with sudo06:03
solif you want to reframe the discussion, sure06:04
solI'm not suggesting you don't06:04
solyou wanted to state that it's more secure06:04
solit's not, it's more convenient06:04
solthat's fine, people can run convenience all day on their system06:04
lotuspsychjesystem can be compromized all kinds of ways06:04
lotuspsychjeif you have su or sudo,doesnt matter06:05
solif you have _both_06:05
sollogically speaking, you are open for more security holes06:05
solare you not?06:05
Ben64by default you can't get to root with su in ubuntu06:05
lotuspsychjesol: more security holes depends on many things06:06
lotuspsychjesystem not up to date, running services,open ports,..06:06
solyep, less services = higher security06:06
solupdating for security updates more often = higher security06:07
lotuspsychjesol: lets say someone targets you, you will loose also with su06:07
solspeak for yourself haha :)06:07
lotuspsychjesol: foolish to think your 100% secure06:08
solI have more layers than an onion, baby06:08
lotuspsychjemany onions end up in jail baby06:09
solmy comment had nothing to do with tor :p06:10
solanyway, this onion includes a jail06:10
solso funny you would say that :D06:10
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic zesty06:16
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version (zesty), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB06:16
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic artful06:16
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version (artful), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB06:16
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: artful kernel on xenial?06:17
lotuspsychjethats weird right06:17
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: I bet if we look at the release schedule that 16.04.3 has zesty kernel . I check .06:26
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: mean artful?06:28
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: your on xenial atm right, can you uname -a?06:29
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/06:32
EriC^^Linux e 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux06:32
lotuspsychjekpti bug shows updated kernels like EriC^^06:32
lotuspsychjeso somethings wrong right06:32
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: 16.04.3 should install with the 4.10 kernel .. hummmm // 4.13 not scheduled 'til next month .06:33
acheronukBashing-om: it was brought forward, rather than fix the 4.10 from zesty06:35
acheronuk"The Rolling HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 will go to 4.13 early, instead of also fixing 4.10 HWE kernel."06:36
lotuspsychjeacheronuk: this user kermyt is on hwe then?06:37
Bashing-omacheronuk: Great to lnow .. who is qualified to update the HWE wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack ?06:37
acheronukI would guess so06:38
lotuspsychje<kermyt> Linux games 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu06:38
acheronuklooks like the only people to edit that so far have been the kernel team themselves, so probably best left to them06:40
lotuspsychjeacheronuk: he said he just freshly downloaded 16.04.306:41
acheronuknot sure it needs an edit, as it's only a 'proposal' for schedule on that06:41
acheronuklotuspsychje: well, those isos habe no been respun06:41
lotuspsychjehe says he updated system to latest06:45
lotuspsychjeand still on 4.1306:45
acheronukas the linux meta for that now rolls with the HWE one, any update would pull in the 4.1306:45
lotuspsychjeshould be correct on https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3523-2/06:45
acheronukso it it correct he would be updated to 4.13 if did a full update06:46
lotuspsychjeso the difference is from users that had 16.04.2 earlier to get to 4.4?06:50
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: 16.04.1 install remains on NON hwe : sysop@x1604:~$ uname -r >> 4.4.0-109-generic .06:53
acheronukyes, 16.04.1 did no have the HWE kernel meta packages, so stays on the native kernel unless you switch06:54
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: So far as I am presently aware .. 32 bit remains broke in these late USN convolutions .06:57
Bashing-omOnce more, the flesh is weak .. g nite \o07:19
ducassegood morning, all07:39
alkisgGood morning ducasse, hi everyone :)07:42
ducassehi alkisg - how are you today?07:44
alkisgIt's weekend! All is well! :D07:44
ducasseyep! :) still cold here, but at least i don't need to go out :)07:47
lotuspsychje_morning ducasse alkisg08:17
lotuspsychje_teamviewer has a nice indicator on gnome08:19
lotuspsychje_its the first i seen08:19
=== lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje
ubot5deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility.09:10
oerheksalkisg, V7 asks debian questions again, i read him in ##linux too.. :-D10:28
BluesKajHowdy folks12:16
oerheksheya BluesKaj12:33
BluesKajHey oerheks12:34
BluesKajoerheks, have you tried the spectre-meltdown-checker.sh scrpt yet ?  https://pastebin.ca/395858613:00
BluesKajor here https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker13:03
oerheksi think this is just a marketing-thingy, to boost intel sales next month13:05
oerheksthough i stopped electronic banking :-D13:05
BluesKajthis old pc passed the vulnerability test , but my lenovo laptop is still vulnerable even after the new kernel patch was installed13:06
BluesKajthe lenovo laptop uses an intel i3 cpu13:07
oerheksdo i need to run this as root??13:10
oerheksi run i3 too ..13:10
oerheksnot vulnerable \o/13:11
oerheksand with sudo .. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26378034/13:13
BluesKajcheck line 913:16
oerheksyeah, they want me to buy a new pc :-(13:18
oerhekswhat is next, hidden code in SSD controllers?13:18
oerheks( also known since 2014 )13:18
BluesKajhehe, ok :-)13:23
* BluesKaj is not buying another pc due to that vulnerability13:24
oerheksI will be happily waiting for the stream 2nd hand pc' s due to this new year gift13:25
oerheksi7 & nvidia 106013:25
BluesKajthat would be cool, check ebay13:26
daftykinsi doubt anyone is that much of a tinfoil hat wearer :)13:26
oerheksdaftykins, i would love to build a wall of pc's around your house :-D13:28
oerheksor a huge step to your roof, and eat a banana ' till you come home13:28
daftykinsooh dear, would you throw barrels down?13:29
* BluesKaj checks ebay13:29
oerheks325 upgraded, 16 newly installed, 2 to remove and 845 not upgraded.13:38
* oerheks rolf13:38
daftykinsO_O what's that from?13:38
oerheksi wanted to see who is alive13:38
daftykinsi am having a nice lazy Saturday :>13:39
oerheksme too, listening to my whole Michael Jackson collection13:39
daftykinsclimbed up the scaffold to see the new leadwork up on the roof! it's looking good13:39
oerheks& dancing with Drabber, he likes that13:40
daftykinsi'll bet he has some moves13:40
oerhekshe likes the shakes & twists13:40
oerheks( in my arms, that is)13:40
oerheksgot a fresh pack of tobacco, so i am fine, let the bad weather come ! https://twitter.com/WinterExpert/status/952152249932959746/photo/113:41
pauljwhi everyone16:03
BluesKajHi pauljw16:08
pauljwhi BluesKaj :)16:09

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