[00:05]  * oerheks loves clones, and no-no-brand hdd enclosures
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: trolls again?
[05:06] <oerheks> yeah, on ignore now
[05:06] <oerheks> i am out of money, and sigarettes, grumble
[05:06] <Ben64> not sure if troll or just dense
[05:07] <Ben64> either way, i'd like it if that dude would not be there
[05:07] <oerheks> Ben64, his ip is from china?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> 45.2
[05:08] <Ben64> GeoIP Country Edition: CA, Canada
[05:08] <oerheks> oh, i love Canada
[05:08] <Ben64> never been
[05:08] <oerheks> me 2 ..
[05:08] <Ben64> i see round trip flights for $200 sometimes though
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> too cold?
[05:09] <oerheks> 1st travel goal would be Iceland, then Canada-Indonesia-Belgium...
[05:09] <Ben64> i been to iceland
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> iceland is also on our list
[05:09] <Ben64> can get there for $400ish
[05:09] <oerheks> iceland has the largest variety of orchids
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: did you go to blue lagoon?
[05:09] <Ben64> no
[05:10] <Ben64> was there for a long layover, did a tour thing, had some food and left
[05:10] <Ben64> saw some hot springs, they said don't touch, i touched
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:10] <oerheks> guys, i made progress with LMMS and Akai MPK mini, i can use the buttons and knobs now #0/
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> neat oerheks
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> on artful?
[05:11] <oerheks> youtube helpt me a lot, i usually skip those howto's
[05:12] <oerheks> open selection box, then just touch a knob, and it detects.. unusual funny
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: whats the purpose of that thing?
[05:14] <oerheks> it is just a keyboard, with some level knobs
[05:14] <oerheks> and 8 drumpad buttons
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> kk
[05:15] <oerheks> got it for free, had a hard time to understand, after fresh install, all went well
[05:15] <oerheks> now i can ad my synth too :-D
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> i didnt know yout techno artist :p
[05:16] <oerheks> me 2, lotuspsychje
[05:17] <oerheks> but my soundcard is limited to 2 channels :-(
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> http://ubnt-releases.xfree.com.ar/ubuntu-releases/zesty/
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> zesty still online
[05:18] <oerheks> fresh isos http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> neat
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-says-it-will-release-new-ubuntu-kernels-to-mitigate-spectre-flaws-519359.shtml
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: i like messing with hydra
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> !info hydra
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> hmm no
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> !info hydrogen
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> bit different tools haha
[05:24] <oerheks> i know that one, but it is just a drum sequenser
[05:24] <oerheks> LMMS can do all instruments, and more, like your own samples
[05:25] <oerheks> .. but it is a bit wacky
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> cool
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> http://www.akaipro.com/products/keyboard-controllers/mpk-mini-mkii
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> usb midi
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> interesting
[05:32] <oerheks> that is version 2, i have the old one
[05:33] <oerheks> http://www.akaipro.com/products/search/mpk-mini
[05:33] <oerheks> no external power needed, so you can use it on a laptop
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> neat
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> !info lakai
[05:35] <oerheks> ohhh .. good find, i hope it works for me, a sampler is something else i think
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> lmms looks real pro wow
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> never tested that
[05:39] <oerheks> it is for AKAI sampler (S1000, S2000)
[05:39] <oerheks> :-(
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> ah
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[05:45] <oerheks> :-)
[05:45] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[05:45] <EriC^^> how are you?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> great, chillin saturday :p
[05:45] <EriC^^> cool :D
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what your upto?
[05:46] <EriC^^> just woke up
[05:46] <EriC^^> wishing there was a mygrid to get me coffee
[05:47] <EriC^^> haha, it's damn cold
[05:47] <sol> yo, is there a decent way of uninstalling sudo?
[05:47] <sol> ubuntu seems to want to take 'ubuntu-minimal' with it
[05:47] <sol> which seems downright retarded to me
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> sol: what command did you enter?
[05:47] <sol> apt remove sudo
[05:47] <sol> apt purge sudo does the same
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> sudo is part of the ubuntu system
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> we dont reccomend that
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> sol: but, its your system...
[05:48] <sol> yeah I can take the risk, sudo is not something I'm used to
[05:48] <sol> and given that it's had security holes a mile long (like every other complex setuid bin) I'd rather take that risk
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> what security holes?
[05:49] <sol> you mean like this? https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-118/product_id-200/Todd-Miller-Sudo.html
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> keep your system up to date?
[05:50] <sol> that's like suggesting I run apache or nginx but keep it up to date when I'm not running a webserver
[05:50] <sol> you guys are absolutely baffling lol
[05:51] <sol> I'm just going to rm the bin, thanks anyway hah
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> sol: its you, that wants a reverse thing
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> its more risk to su then sudo
[05:51] <sol> how do you figure that?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> !sudo
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu uses it and we like it
[05:53] <Ben64> could always use not ubuntu
[05:53] <sol> or I could rm the bin just like I did?
[05:53] <sol> you're strangely defensive
[05:53] <Ben64> sure whatever floats your boat
[05:53] <sol> it's crappy software, you're welcome to have it built in
[05:53] <sol> I'm not saying remove it from the install
[05:53] <Ben64> it's not crappy
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> sol: you can only speak for your own system, on our end it works like a charm
[05:54] <sol> sure, and it's one more potential area for security holes
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> morning Jordan_U
[05:54] <sol> it's like saying windows works great for you
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> sol: if you find a sudo security hole, come tell us ok?
[05:54] <Ben64> sol: opening up the root account is a security hole
[05:54] <sol> I'm sure it does, but not being able to remove all unnecessary services & root-access apps is a security issue
[05:55] <sol> lotuspsychje, I just gave you a list
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> sol: if you su, on a non-updated system your vulnerable too
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> or run programs as root for longer time
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> sol: you silent now?
[05:59] <sol> nah, just didn't want to type an essay
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> sol: if you join irc as root and dont have sudo to work with anymore..your a big risk
[05:59] <sol> you're an idiot if you run irc as root
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> sol: how you gonna solve that?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> sol: you just said you only wanna use su?
[05:59]  * sol facepalms
[06:00] <sol> you su for administrative tasks, if you want to run that risk
[06:00] <sol> otherwise you login as root
[06:00] <sol> (again, for administrative tasks)
[06:00] <sol> you don't run a desktop as root
[06:00] <sol> and you don't run network apps as root
[06:00] <Ben64> more of a security hole than sudo
[06:01] <sol> I don't know why you'd think that
[06:01] <sol> there's no logical path to get there
[06:01] <Ben64> because it's true
[06:02] <sol> sudo has had tons of security holes over the years
[06:02] <sol> very serious ones
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> nothing an update cant fix
[06:02] <Ben64> everything has had security holes over the years
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> +1
[06:03] <sol> I don't recall any security holes in su
[06:03] <sol> the greater the complexity of an app, and one that runs as setuid, has massively more risk
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> sol: again, its your system do what you want right?
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> but we will work with sudo
[06:04] <sol> if you want to reframe the discussion, sure
[06:04] <sol> I'm not suggesting you don't
[06:04] <sol> you wanted to state that it's more secure
[06:04] <sol> it's not, it's more convenient
[06:04] <sol> that's fine, people can run convenience all day on their system
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> system can be compromized all kinds of ways
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> if you have su or sudo,doesnt matter
[06:05] <sol> if you have _both_
[06:05] <sol> logically speaking, you are open for more security holes
[06:05] <sol> are you not?
[06:05] <Ben64> by default you can't get to root with su in ubuntu
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> sol: more security holes depends on many things
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> system not up to date, running services,open ports,..
[06:06] <sol> yep, less services = higher security
[06:07] <sol> updating for security updates more often = higher security
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> sol: lets say someone targets you, you will loose also with su
[06:07] <sol> nope
[06:07] <sol> speak for yourself haha :)
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> sol: foolish to think your 100% secure
[06:08] <sol> I have more layers than an onion, baby
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> many onions end up in jail baby
[06:10] <sol> my comment had nothing to do with tor :p
[06:10] <sol> anyway, this onion includes a jail
[06:10] <sol> so funny you would say that :D
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic zesty
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic artful
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: artful kernel on xenial?
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> thats weird right
[06:26] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I bet if we look at the release schedule that 16.04.3 has zesty kernel . I check .
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: mean artful?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: your on xenial atm right, can you uname -a?
[06:32] <EriC^^> sure
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/
[06:32] <EriC^^> Linux e 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> kpti bug shows updated kernels like EriC^^
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> so somethings wrong right
[06:33] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: 16.04.3 should install with the 4.10 kernel .. hummmm // 4.13 not scheduled 'til next month .
[06:35] <acheronuk> Bashing-om: it was brought forward, rather than fix the 4.10 from zesty
[06:36] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[06:36] <acheronuk> "The Rolling HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 will go to 4.13 early, instead of also fixing 4.10 HWE kernel."
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: this user kermyt is on hwe then?
[06:37] <Bashing-om> acheronuk: Great to lnow .. who is qualified to update the HWE wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack ?
[06:38] <acheronuk> I would guess so
 Linux games 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu
[06:40] <acheronuk> looks like the only people to edit that so far have been the kernel team themselves, so probably best left to them
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: he said he just freshly downloaded 16.04.3
[06:41] <acheronuk> not sure it needs an edit, as it's only a 'proposal' for schedule on that
[06:41] <acheronuk> lotuspsychje: well, those isos habe no been respun
[06:41] <acheronuk> *have
[06:43] <acheronuk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.3/ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.manifest
[06:44] <acheronuk> linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> he says he updated system to latest
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> and still on 4.13
[06:45] <acheronuk> as the linux meta for that now rolls with the HWE one, any update would pull in the 4.13
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> should be correct on https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3523-2/
[06:46] <acheronuk> so it it correct he would be updated to 4.13 if did a full update
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> so the difference is from users that had 16.04.2 earlier to get to 4.4?
[06:53] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: 16.04.1 install remains on NON hwe : sysop@x1604:~$ uname -r >> 4.4.0-109-generic .
[06:54] <acheronuk> yes, 16.04.1 did no have the HWE kernel meta packages, so stays on the native kernel unless you switch
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:57] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: So far as I am presently aware .. 32 bit remains broke in these late USN convolutions .
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> ok
[07:04] <oerheks> #
[07:04] <oerheks> +63
[07:19] <Bashing-om> Once more, the flesh is weak .. g nite \o
[07:39] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:42] <alkisg> Good morning ducasse, hi everyone :)
[07:44] <ducasse> hi alkisg - how are you today?
[07:44] <alkisg> It's weekend! All is well! :D
[07:47] <ducasse> yep! :) still cold here, but at least i don't need to go out :)
[08:17] <lotuspsychje_> morning ducasse alkisg
[08:19] <lotuspsychje_> teamviewer has a nice indicator on gnome
[08:19] <lotuspsychje_> its the first i seen
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> !deb
[10:28] <oerheks> alkisg, V7 asks debian questions again, i read him in ##linux too.. :-D
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:33] <oerheks> heya BluesKaj
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hey oerheks
[13:00] <BluesKaj> oerheks, have you tried the spectre-meltdown-checker.sh scrpt yet ?  https://pastebin.ca/3958586
[13:03] <BluesKaj> or here https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker
[13:04] <oerheks> nope
[13:05] <oerheks> i think this is just a marketing-thingy, to boost intel sales next month
[13:05] <oerheks> though i stopped electronic banking :-D
[13:06] <BluesKaj> this old pc passed the vulnerability test , but my lenovo laptop is still vulnerable even after the new kernel patch was installed
[13:07] <BluesKaj> the lenovo laptop uses an intel i3 cpu
[13:10] <oerheks> do i need to run this as root??
[13:10] <oerheks> i run i3 too ..
[13:11] <oerheks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26378019/
[13:11] <oerheks> not vulnerable \o/
[13:13] <oerheks> and with sudo .. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26378034/
[13:16] <BluesKaj> check line 9
[13:18] <oerheks> yeah, they want me to buy a new pc :-(
[13:18] <oerheks> what is next, hidden code in SSD controllers?
[13:18] <oerheks> ( also known since 2014 )
[13:23] <BluesKaj> hehe, ok :-)
[13:24]  * BluesKaj is not buying another pc due to that vulnerability
[13:25] <oerheks> I will be happily waiting for the stream 2nd hand pc' s due to this new year gift
[13:25] <oerheks> :-D
[13:25] <oerheks> i7 & nvidia 1060
[13:26] <BluesKaj> that would be cool, check ebay
[13:26] <daftykins> i doubt anyone is that much of a tinfoil hat wearer :)
[13:28] <oerheks> daftykins, i would love to build a wall of pc's around your house :-D
[13:28] <oerheks> or a huge step to your roof, and eat a banana ' till you come home
[13:29] <daftykins> ooh dear, would you throw barrels down?
[13:29]  * BluesKaj checks ebay
[13:38] <oerheks> 325 upgraded, 16 newly installed, 2 to remove and 845 not upgraded.
[13:38]  * oerheks rolf
[13:38] <daftykins> O_O what's that from?
[13:38] <oerheks> :-D
[13:38] <oerheks> i wanted to see who is alive
[13:39] <oerheks> *gotcha*
[13:39] <daftykins> i am having a nice lazy Saturday :>
[13:39] <oerheks> me too, listening to my whole Michael Jackson collection
[13:39] <daftykins> climbed up the scaffold to see the new leadwork up on the roof! it's looking good
[13:40] <oerheks> & dancing with Drabber, he likes that
[13:40] <daftykins> :D
[13:40] <daftykins> i'll bet he has some moves
[13:40] <oerheks> he likes the shakes & twists
[13:40] <oerheks> ( in my arms, that is)
[13:41] <oerheks> got a fresh pack of tobacco, so i am fine, let the bad weather come ! https://twitter.com/WinterExpert/status/952152249932959746/photo/1
[13:43] <daftykins> :O
[16:03] <pauljw> hi everyone
[16:08] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[16:09] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)