[00:05] * oerheks loves clones, and no-no-brand hdd enclosures [05:04] good morning to all [05:05] oerheks: trolls again? [05:06] yeah, on ignore now [05:06] i am out of money, and sigarettes, grumble [05:06] not sure if troll or just dense [05:07] either way, i'd like it if that dude would not be there [05:07] Ben64, his ip is from china? [05:08] 45.2 [05:08] GeoIP Country Edition: CA, Canada [05:08] oh, i love Canada [05:08] never been [05:08] me 2 .. [05:08] i see round trip flights for $200 sometimes though [05:09] too cold? [05:09] 1st travel goal would be Iceland, then Canada-Indonesia-Belgium... [05:09] i been to iceland [05:09] iceland is also on our list [05:09] can get there for $400ish [05:09] iceland has the largest variety of orchids [05:09] Ben64: did you go to blue lagoon? [05:09] no [05:10] was there for a long layover, did a tour thing, had some food and left [05:10] saw some hot springs, they said don't touch, i touched [05:10] lol [05:10] guys, i made progress with LMMS and Akai MPK mini, i can use the buttons and knobs now #0/ [05:10] neat oerheks [05:10] on artful? [05:11] youtube helpt me a lot, i usually skip those howto's [05:12] open selection box, then just touch a knob, and it detects.. unusual funny [05:13] oerheks: whats the purpose of that thing? [05:14] it is just a keyboard, with some level knobs [05:14] and 8 drumpad buttons [05:15] kk [05:15] got it for free, had a hard time to understand, after fresh install, all went well [05:15] now i can ad my synth too :-D [05:16] i didnt know yout techno artist :p [05:16] me 2, lotuspsychje [05:17] but my soundcard is limited to 2 channels :-( [05:17] http://ubnt-releases.xfree.com.ar/ubuntu-releases/zesty/ [05:17] zesty still online [05:18] fresh isos http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/ [05:19] neat [05:20] http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-says-it-will-release-new-ubuntu-kernels-to-mitigate-spectre-flaws-519359.shtml [05:20] oerheks: i like messing with hydra [05:21] !info hydra [05:21] hydra (source: hydra): very fast network logon cracker. In component universe, is extra. Version 8.6-1 (artful), package size 268 kB, installed size 997 kB [05:21] hmm no [05:22] !info hydrogen [05:22] hydrogen (source: hydrogen): advanced drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.7-3 (artful), package size 1201 kB, installed size 6312 kB [05:22] bit different tools haha [05:24] i know that one, but it is just a drum sequenser [05:24] LMMS can do all instruments, and more, like your own samples [05:25] .. but it is a bit wacky [05:26] cool [05:29] http://www.akaipro.com/products/keyboard-controllers/mpk-mini-mkii [05:30] usb midi [05:30] interesting [05:32] that is version 2, i have the old one [05:33] http://www.akaipro.com/products/search/mpk-mini [05:33] no external power needed, so you can use it on a laptop [05:33] neat [05:34] !info lakai [05:34] lakai (source: lakai): transfers samples between a PC and an AKAI sampler. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-2 (artful), package size 35 kB, installed size 155 kB [05:35] ohhh .. good find, i hope it works for me, a sampler is something else i think [05:37] lmms looks real pro wow [05:37] never tested that [05:39] it is for AKAI sampler (S1000, S2000) [05:39] :-( [05:40] ah [05:44] morning EriC^^ [05:45] :-) [05:45] morning lotuspsychje [05:45] how are you? [05:45] great, chillin saturday :p [05:45] cool :D [05:45] EriC^^: what your upto? [05:46] just woke up [05:46] wishing there was a mygrid to get me coffee [05:47] haha, it's damn cold [05:47] yo, is there a decent way of uninstalling sudo? [05:47] ubuntu seems to want to take 'ubuntu-minimal' with it [05:47] which seems downright retarded to me [05:47] sol: what command did you enter? [05:47] apt remove sudo [05:47] apt purge sudo does the same [05:47] sudo is part of the ubuntu system [05:47] we dont reccomend that [05:48] sol: but, its your system... [05:48] yeah I can take the risk, sudo is not something I'm used to [05:48] and given that it's had security holes a mile long (like every other complex setuid bin) I'd rather take that risk [05:49] what security holes? [05:49] you mean like this? https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-118/product_id-200/Todd-Miller-Sudo.html [05:49] keep your system up to date? [05:50] that's like suggesting I run apache or nginx but keep it up to date when I'm not running a webserver [05:50] you guys are absolutely baffling lol [05:51] I'm just going to rm the bin, thanks anyway hah [05:51] sol: its you, that wants a reverse thing [05:51] its more risk to su then sudo [05:51] how do you figure that? [05:51] !sudo [05:51] sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [05:52] ubuntu uses it and we like it [05:53] could always use not ubuntu [05:53] or I could rm the bin just like I did? [05:53] you're strangely defensive [05:53] sure whatever floats your boat [05:53] it's crappy software, you're welcome to have it built in [05:53] I'm not saying remove it from the install [05:53] it's not crappy [05:54] sol: you can only speak for your own system, on our end it works like a charm [05:54] sure, and it's one more potential area for security holes [05:54] morning Jordan_U [05:54] it's like saying windows works great for you [05:54] sol: if you find a sudo security hole, come tell us ok? [05:54] sol: opening up the root account is a security hole [05:54] I'm sure it does, but not being able to remove all unnecessary services & root-access apps is a security issue [05:55] lotuspsychje, I just gave you a list [05:55] sol: if you su, on a non-updated system your vulnerable too [05:55] or run programs as root for longer time [05:58] sol: you silent now? [05:59] nah, just didn't want to type an essay [05:59] sol: if you join irc as root and dont have sudo to work with anymore..your a big risk [05:59] you're an idiot if you run irc as root [05:59] sol: how you gonna solve that? [05:59] sol: you just said you only wanna use su? [05:59] * sol facepalms [06:00] you su for administrative tasks, if you want to run that risk [06:00] otherwise you login as root [06:00] (again, for administrative tasks) [06:00] you don't run a desktop as root [06:00] and you don't run network apps as root [06:00] more of a security hole than sudo [06:01] I don't know why you'd think that [06:01] there's no logical path to get there [06:01] because it's true [06:02] sudo has had tons of security holes over the years [06:02] very serious ones [06:02] nothing an update cant fix [06:02] everything has had security holes over the years [06:03] +1 [06:03] I don't recall any security holes in su [06:03] the greater the complexity of an app, and one that runs as setuid, has massively more risk [06:03] sol: again, its your system do what you want right? [06:03] but we will work with sudo [06:04] if you want to reframe the discussion, sure [06:04] I'm not suggesting you don't [06:04] you wanted to state that it's more secure [06:04] it's not, it's more convenient [06:04] that's fine, people can run convenience all day on their system [06:04] system can be compromized all kinds of ways [06:05] if you have su or sudo,doesnt matter [06:05] if you have _both_ [06:05] logically speaking, you are open for more security holes [06:05] are you not? [06:05] by default you can't get to root with su in ubuntu [06:06] sol: more security holes depends on many things [06:06] system not up to date, running services,open ports,.. [06:06] yep, less services = higher security [06:07] updating for security updates more often = higher security [06:07] sol: lets say someone targets you, you will loose also with su [06:07] nope [06:07] speak for yourself haha :) [06:08] sol: foolish to think your 100% secure [06:08] I have more layers than an onion, baby [06:09] many onions end up in jail baby [06:10] my comment had nothing to do with tor :p [06:10] anyway, this onion includes a jail [06:10] so funny you would say that :D [06:16] !info linux-image-generic zesty [06:16] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.10.0.42.42 (zesty), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB [06:16] !info linux-image-generic artful [06:16] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.13.0.25.26 (artful), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB [06:17] Bashing-om: artful kernel on xenial? [06:17] thats weird right [06:26] lotuspsychje: I bet if we look at the release schedule that 16.04.3 has zesty kernel . I check . [06:27] hmm [06:28] Bashing-om: mean artful? [06:29] EriC^^: your on xenial atm right, can you uname -a? [06:32] sure [06:32] Bashing-om: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/ [06:32] Linux e 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [06:32] kpti bug shows updated kernels like EriC^^ [06:32] so somethings wrong right [06:33] lotuspsychje: 16.04.3 should install with the 4.10 kernel .. hummmm // 4.13 not scheduled 'til next month . [06:35] Bashing-om: it was brought forward, rather than fix the 4.10 from zesty [06:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown [06:36] "The Rolling HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 will go to 4.13 early, instead of also fixing 4.10 HWE kernel." [06:37] acheronuk: this user kermyt is on hwe then? [06:37] acheronuk: Great to lnow .. who is qualified to update the HWE wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack ? [06:38] I would guess so [06:38] Linux games 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu [06:40] looks like the only people to edit that so far have been the kernel team themselves, so probably best left to them [06:41] acheronuk: he said he just freshly downloaded 16.04.3 [06:41] not sure it needs an edit, as it's only a 'proposal' for schedule on that [06:41] lotuspsychje: well, those isos habe no been respun [06:41] *have [06:43] http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.3/ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.manifest [06:44] linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic [06:45] he says he updated system to latest [06:45] and still on 4.13 [06:45] as the linux meta for that now rolls with the HWE one, any update would pull in the 4.13 [06:45] should be correct on https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3523-2/ [06:46] so it it correct he would be updated to 4.13 if did a full update [06:46] ok [06:50] so the difference is from users that had 16.04.2 earlier to get to 4.4? [06:53] lotuspsychje: 16.04.1 install remains on NON hwe : sysop@x1604:~$ uname -r >> 4.4.0-109-generic . [06:54] yes, 16.04.1 did no have the HWE kernel meta packages, so stays on the native kernel unless you switch [06:55] kk [06:57] lotuspsychje: So far as I am presently aware .. 32 bit remains broke in these late USN convolutions . [06:57] ok [07:04] # [07:04] +63 [07:19] Once more, the flesh is weak .. g nite \o [07:39] good morning, all [07:42] Good morning ducasse, hi everyone :) [07:44] hi alkisg - how are you today? [07:44] It's weekend! All is well! :D [07:47] yep! :) still cold here, but at least i don't need to go out :) [08:17] morning ducasse alkisg [08:19] teamviewer has a nice indicator on gnome [08:19] its the first i seen === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [09:10] !deb [09:10] deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility. [10:28] alkisg, V7 asks debian questions again, i read him in ##linux too.. :-D [12:16] Howdy folks [12:33] heya BluesKaj [12:34] Hey oerheks [13:00] oerheks, have you tried the spectre-meltdown-checker.sh scrpt yet ? https://pastebin.ca/3958586 [13:03] or here https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker [13:04] nope [13:05] i think this is just a marketing-thingy, to boost intel sales next month [13:05] though i stopped electronic banking :-D [13:06] this old pc passed the vulnerability test , but my lenovo laptop is still vulnerable even after the new kernel patch was installed [13:07] the lenovo laptop uses an intel i3 cpu [13:10] do i need to run this as root?? [13:10] i run i3 too .. [13:11] https://paste.ubuntu.com/26378019/ [13:11] not vulnerable \o/ [13:13] and with sudo .. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26378034/ [13:16] check line 9 [13:18] yeah, they want me to buy a new pc :-( [13:18] what is next, hidden code in SSD controllers? [13:18] ( also known since 2014 ) [13:23] hehe, ok :-) [13:24] * BluesKaj is not buying another pc due to that vulnerability [13:25] I will be happily waiting for the stream 2nd hand pc' s due to this new year gift [13:25] :-D [13:25] i7 & nvidia 1060 [13:26] that would be cool, check ebay [13:26] i doubt anyone is that much of a tinfoil hat wearer :) [13:28] daftykins, i would love to build a wall of pc's around your house :-D [13:28] or a huge step to your roof, and eat a banana ' till you come home [13:29] ooh dear, would you throw barrels down? [13:29] * BluesKaj checks ebay [13:38] 325 upgraded, 16 newly installed, 2 to remove and 845 not upgraded. [13:38] * oerheks rolf [13:38] O_O what's that from? [13:38] :-D [13:38] i wanted to see who is alive [13:39] *gotcha* [13:39] i am having a nice lazy Saturday :> [13:39] me too, listening to my whole Michael Jackson collection [13:39] climbed up the scaffold to see the new leadwork up on the roof! it's looking good [13:40] & dancing with Drabber, he likes that [13:40] :D [13:40] i'll bet he has some moves [13:40] he likes the shakes & twists [13:40] ( in my arms, that is) [13:41] got a fresh pack of tobacco, so i am fine, let the bad weather come ! https://twitter.com/WinterExpert/status/952152249932959746/photo/1 [13:43] :O [16:03] hi everyone [16:08] Hi pauljw [16:09] hi BluesKaj :)