[00:00] <IamNoob> only USB2
[00:00] <TJ-> IamNoob: nacc the tech specs for the STK1A32SC says USB2 port 500mA, USB3 port 900mA
[00:00] <nacc> IamNoob: does the thumb drive work through the USB hub?
[00:00] <TJ-> IamNoob: which exact model do you have?
[00:02] <IamNoob> TJ-: exact model of what?
[00:03] <TJ-> IamNoob: of the Intel Compute Stick - then I can try to find the power specification for it
[00:04] <IamNoob> This is actually MeegoPad T02. A clone of ICS.
[00:04] <TJ-> arghhh!
[00:04] <nacc> loll
[00:05] <nacc> IamNoob: sorry, but I think you've forfeitted the right to support now
[00:05] <IamNoob> TJ-: What?
[00:05] <TJ-> IamNoob: that's like me getting you to help with an "IBM PC" and then finding out it's actually a Compaq!
[00:05] <IamNoob> TJ-: really?
[00:05] <nacc> IamNoob: why would deceive for 90 minutes?
[00:05] <TJ-> IamNoob: yes! they're made by different organisations!
[00:06] <IamNoob> TJ-: But hardware is same
[00:06] <IamNoob> same cpu
[00:06] <TJ-> IamNoob: does it have 1 or 2 USB2 ports?
[00:07] <tatertots> lol
[00:07] <IamNoob> I actually don't know what difference it make.
[00:07] <IamNoob> 2 USB2 ports
[00:07] <TJ-> IamNoob: the power control circuitry could be very different, it's well known that many cheap devices cannot supply the full 500mA to a USB port
[00:07] <TJ-> IamNoob: ok, so it's the T02 model variation
[00:08] <IamNoob> yes.
[00:09] <TJ-> Well, their support is terrible. No full tech spec, no user manual.
[00:10] <TJ-> IamNoob: so, we'll go with the "insufficient power" unless provem otherwise
[00:10] <IamNoob> TJ-: Right.
[00:10] <IamNoob> I will check it and come back here if there is any update.
[00:11] <IamNoob> But thanks a million for all your efforts and time. I am really very grateful to you all.
[00:14] <TJ-> IamNoob: connecting the disk drive to a powered hub and testing that hub connected to a PC and then to the MeegoPad is another test you can do. if it works for the PC but not for the MeegoPad then it might not be a power issue
[00:20] <coffeeguy> Is there ubuntu tablet?
[00:20] <TJ-> I wish there was... to cure all Ubuntu bugs!
[00:23] <littledot> hello
[00:37] <linuxlove> hello guys
[00:37] <littledot> hello
[00:39] <linuxlove> i asked in ubuntu-server
[00:39] <linuxlove> but no body answered
[00:40] <linuxlove> i want to know is swift server side ready for deploy on linux and production
[00:44] <nacc> linuxlove: is itan ubuntu package? do you mean the openstack component?
[00:45] <nacc> linuxlove: also i don't think you should ever take anyone online's advice for what to put into productioon
[00:45] <linuxlove> nacc, i mean an entire back end implemention with swift
[00:45] <nacc> linuxlove: what do you mean by swift? the openstack object storage?
[00:45] <linuxlove> i just want to know is every think okay for deploy on linux
[00:46] <linuxlove> i mean swift language
[00:46] <nacc> linuxlove: wouldn't that be a question for the swift folks?
[00:47] <linuxlove> they say every thing is okay on mac but i want to know about deploying on linux
[01:14] <esda> hola
[01:15] <esda> jsjsjs
[01:15] <esda> alguien habla españoL?
[01:15] <esda> jsjs
[01:47] <d3vb4r> \msg NickServ devster <password>
[02:16] <JTech> I can't format this USB stick that I put an Ubuntu installer on. gnome-disks is giving the same errors about physical block size being different from what Linux says it is.
[02:19] <tsarompy> JTech, have you tried opening it with cfdisk?
[02:19] <oerheks> JTech, hello
[02:19] <oerheks> JTech, fix that disk on your windows, we tried for hours now
[02:19] <JTech> oerheks, heh. hello. I think I got 1 hour of sleep.
[02:19] <JTech> There's no Windows.
[02:19] <oerheks> maybe there is a virus on it, could well be the case..
[02:19] <tsarompy> if you open it with gparted and create a new partition table (DOS) you oughta be fine
[02:20] <oerheks> tsarompy, he has 5 ntfs partitions already, i think he does not want to loose its data
[02:20] <JTech> Ubuntu gets viruses? That might explain why my mom's new laptop had trouble restarting and the wireless just died on it after I attempted to get my USB installer to boot on it.
[02:20] <tsarompy> five partitions on a usb drive?
[02:20] <oerheks> usb connected external hdd
[02:21] <tsarompy> he just said usb stick
[02:21] <tsarompy> not external hd
[02:21] <JTech> what? you're thinking of someone else.
[02:21] <tsarompy>  “I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are,”
[02:21] <tsarompy> oh jeez
[02:21] <tsarompy> old clipboard haha
 I can't format this USB stick that I put an Ubuntu installer on. gnome-disks is giving the same errors about physical block size being different from what Linux says it is.
[02:21] <tsarompy> you said usb stick
[02:21] <tsarompy> have you tried opening it with gparted or cfdisk
[02:22] <JTech> tsarompy, hm. no.
[02:22] <oerheks> err yes you did..
[02:22] <tsarompy> making a new partition table should fix your problem
[02:22] <tsarompy> then you can dd whatever youre trying to put on it, on it
[02:22] <JTech> oh boy this is fun. after attempting a couple times in gnome-disks it's not showing up when I plug it in.
[02:22] <tsarompy> have you checked for errors in dmesg
[02:23] <JTech> I'm trying to copy the ISO file instead of writing the image to the USB stick, because I want to try to run it off my other system, since it can't boot USB.
[02:23] <tsarompy> i mean
[02:23] <tsarompy> why dont you just burn a cd/dvd
[02:24] <kk4ewt> JTech,  what os are you talking to us on
[02:24] <JTech> because I don't have a CD drive.
[02:24] <tsarompy> hes on ubuntu
[02:24] <tsarompy> well, assuming he
[02:24] <kk4ewt> stop assuming and lets find out
[02:24] <tsarompy> i just did a ctcp version...
[02:25]  * tsarompy rolls eyes
[02:25] <tsarompy> fine, you help them
[02:25] <kk4ewt> JTech,  what os are you talking to us on
[02:25] <JTech> kk4ewt, I'm on a spare laptop using Xubuntu. attempting to install Xubuntu onto a desktop's brand new SSD and HDD. I'm thinking I need to install it through a half-dead HDD that has Debian on one half and my non-functional old Xubuntu installation on the other {where I want to get my files from}
[02:26] <kk4ewt> ok plug in the usb to this computer
[02:26] <JTech> Someone advised me to copy the installer ISO onto the USB instead of creating the disk image on it like you normally would.
[02:26] <kk4ewt> open a terminal
[02:27] <JTech> ok. dmesg | tail shows a sdb... :S
[02:27] <kk4ewt> sudo fdisk -l and paste the output to a pastebin please
[02:28] <JTech> ... why does gparted think this /dev/sdb is 14.93GB? it's like a 2GB stick.
[02:28] <JTech> guess I was wrong. fdisk says it's Disk /dev/sdb: 3.8 GiB, 4008706048 bytes
[02:28] <kk4ewt> sudo fdisk -l and paste the output to a pastebin please
[02:29] <JTech> ok
[02:29] <JTech> https://pastebin.com/dgtDvRYD
[02:31] <kk4ewt> bingo the usb drive has been created as efi
[02:32] <kk4ewt> sudo fdisk /dev/sdb
[02:32] <JTech> when I'm using gnome-disks or whatever, it won't let me format the whole thing, and then when I try to delete existing partitions it just fails with an error.
[02:32] <kk4ewt> rm all the partitions
[02:33] <JTech> there's no rm command
[02:33] <kk4ewt> JTech,  anytime the gui tools are not working then its time to go back to the cli tools
[02:33] <kk4ewt> JTech,  hold on
[02:34] <JTech> ok nevermind
[02:34] <JTech> d for delete.
[02:34] <JTech> only 2 partitions listed
[02:34] <kk4ewt> d
[02:34] <JTech> both deleted.
[02:34] <kk4ewt> n
[02:34] <kk4ewt> enter enter enter
[02:35] <JTech> is that all?
[02:35] <kk4ewt> t
[02:35] <kk4ewt> 7
[02:35] <kk4ewt> a
[02:36] <JTech> {bootable won't matter. my motherboard is incapable of booting from USB. or it's insanely difficult. It's a known issue with Gigabyte motherboards}
[02:36] <kk4ewt> works on mine
[02:37] <JTech> w write to disk and exit?
[02:37] <kk4ewt> a
[02:37] <kk4ewt> 1
[02:37] <kk4ewt> then w
[02:37] <JTech> it's an issue with many Gigabyte motherboards, including mine. Apparently there are ways around it, timing when you plug in the USB stick after it's booting up, but I haven't been able to figure it out.
[02:37] <kk4ewt> sudo mkfs.vfat  /dev/sdb1
[02:38] <JTech> thanks for the step-by-step help, kk4ewt.
[02:39] <JTech> can I copy files to it now?
[02:39] <kk4ewt> unplug and plug it back in
[02:39] <kk4ewt> so it will automount
[02:39] <JTech> crap. I forgot to eject
[02:40] <kk4ewt> no problem it wasnt mounted
[02:40] <kk4ewt> ok i have to run
[02:40] <JTech> thanks.
[02:41] <someone_> hi
[02:47] <kermyt> well a couple of days ago an update broke my ubuntu gaming rig. wouldn't reboot at all. in fact it could only see my windows boot for whatever reason. so I was forced to rebuild my OS. I have an acer aspire laptop with one of those stupid hybryd graphics card setups.
[02:48] <kermyt> the upside was that the latest and greatest xenial install seemed to be able to install the proprietary nvidia drivers automagically with additional drivers. (that failed the first time I installed it and I had to install manually.
[02:49] <vonnojimon> which board are you guys talking about
[02:49] <kermyt> sadly however it seems to have isntalled broken openGL libs
[02:49] <kermyt> hang on I will collect some info
[02:49] <kermyt> been working on this for three days now
[02:51] <kermyt> https://pastebin.com/uRwumc7j
[02:52] <kermyt> it's a 940M
[02:52] <kermyt> weand intel skylake on the other side of the hybrid card
[02:53] <kermyt> I have the prime software installed and I can switch libs at will
[02:53] <kermyt> but the nvidia side is totally gorked
[02:54] <Bashing-om> kermyt: What kernel ' uname -r ' ?
[02:54] <kermyt> https://pastebin.com/XVD74BDV
[02:54] <kermyt> one moment
[02:55] <kermyt> 4.13.0-26-generic
[02:55] <kermyt> there is a uname -a in the paste above
[02:55] <kermyt> in one of them
[02:55] <kermyt> the first oen
[02:56] <Bashing-om> kermyt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1742095 . try the 87 version driver from our PPA .
[02:56] <kermyt> interesting
[02:56] <kermyt> ok will try it
[02:56] <kermyt> thank you
[02:58] <Bashing-om> kermyt: There are several bug reports with that kernel . The 87 version driver did work on one report .
[02:58] <kermyt> the 87 is the driver ready for the new memory isolation patches?
[02:58] <kermyt> heartbleed or whatever
[02:59] <Bashing-om> kermyt: That should be 387 version driver .
[03:16] <jtechs> i cant do the simplest thing ever
[03:16] <jtechs> plug ethernet cable in. still can't get internet on Debian
[03:19] <jtechs> .
[03:20] <jtechs> i cqant get internet working on Debian.
[03:21] <jtechs> I can't fucking type. I have to keep unplugging and replugging the keyboard
[03:21] <krytarik> jtechs: And why do you seek support in #ubuntu then?
[03:21] <jtechs> why am I such a useless piece of shit
[03:21] <jtechs> I'm desperate
[03:21] <krytarik> Well, there is #debian too.
[03:22] <jtechs> I was trying to set this all up on this Xubuntu installation, installing Xubunto on the target machine. but now I'm at a point where I have to use Debian to install it.
[03:22] <jtechs> yeah. I have a feeling that #Debian is going to expect more from me.
[03:23] <krytarik> Also, please no swearing.
[03:23] <jtechs> I'm going to ruin everything. :(
[03:24] <kermyt> Bashing-om, the 387 installed perfectly but still fails to work
[03:25] <kermyt> same output from glxgears
[03:25] <jtechs> I don't know what I'm doing on any scale ever.
[03:26] <jtechs> I wonder if I should disassemble my computer in order to attempt to boot the USB Xubuntu installer ISO off the other Gigabyte motherboard. I know I had issues with that one as well but I don't know if they were related to Gigabyte motherboards being unable to boot USB or not.
[03:27] <jtechs> it seems like that hell might be relatively easier than just attempting to get internet to work on Debian in order to download a new program to attempt to load the Xubuntu ISO installer from there.
[03:27] <kermyt> maybe I should just back down to an older kernel
[03:27] <jtechs> I just don't know. It's such a big mess. like my life.
[03:28] <jtechs> my skin's getting wrinkly and I'm only 40.
[03:28] <stillunt1tled> hi
[03:28] <jtechs> my hands look like an old person's.
[03:28] <stillunt1tled> I'm having a bit of a problem with GNOME
[03:29] <jtechs> I keep wanting to smash this computer.
[03:29] <stillunt1tled> That menu (im assuming its called 'Activity Menu', or something like it) that pops up when you press the superkey
[03:29] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Sorry - this issue with the new kernels breaking nvidia is over my skill level: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1742302 .
[03:30] <jtechs> I don't exist anywhere
[03:30] <kermyt> lol no worries. I suspected there was a real bug at play here
[03:30] <kermyt> sounds like if I wait a few days patches with be forthcoming
[03:31] <stillunt1tled> hey, kermyt,
[03:31] <stillunt1tled> I was wondering if anyone else has been having a problem where if you hover over nautilus or the appllications menu on GNOME, the entire screen except the desktop background will disappear?
[03:32] <kermyt> I don't use gnome anymore. I have much GTK+ but I run XFCE
[03:32] <stillunt1tled> im using 16.04
[03:32] <stillunt1tled> well its kind of annoying
[03:33] <kermyt> so my file manager is thunar
[03:33] <stillunt1tled> because reinstalling gnome via apt-get
[03:33] <stillunt1tled> didnt help
[03:33] <jtechs> what do I do
[03:36] <bugtraq> hi
[03:36] <stillunt1tled> alright
[03:36] <stillunt1tled> im still confused
[03:36] <stillunt1tled> i did apt-get upgraded
[03:37] <bugtraq> im all-ways confused
[03:37] <stillunt1tled> i apt-get install --reinstall gnome-shell
[03:37] <stillunt1tled> and still its unstable
[03:37] <Bashing-om> kermyt: The developers in the bug reports are pushing upstream kernels . Do not know the results .
[03:38] <kermyt> yeah I got my 387 from the launchpad ppa
[03:38] <kermyt> the nvidia release builds then fails on a DRM module
[03:40] <Bashing-om> kermyt: any other hints on ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' ?
[03:40] <kermyt> ooh interesting lemme check
[03:41] <jtechs> maeybe this problem with my useless motherboard not booting USB means I should buy a whole new computer.
[03:41] <jtechs> I wonder if I should go back to the botnet. Intel CPU and Windows OS
[03:42] <jtechs> not that AMD is any safer than Intel....
[03:43] <jtechs> what am i going to do
[03:43] <jtechs> what am i doing
[03:43] <kermyt> gonna pastebin this Bashing-om, there are some things in there that don't jive.
[03:43] <jtechs> i have nothing
[03:44] <Bashing-om> kermyt: figgers :)
[03:44] <jtechs> on a damned waiting list for therapy for 2 years.
[03:44] <jtechs> it didn't help any of the dozens of therapists I had before
[03:44] <kermyt> https://pastebin.com/NbYNj71X
[03:45] <jtechs> just go through life dysfunctional because there's no other choice.
[03:45] <kermyt> ok notice that it says nvidia is blacklisted and nouveu is not
[03:45] <kermyt> but the opposite should be true
[03:45] <kermyt> I tried blacklisting the oss drive
[03:45] <kermyt> driver
[03:45] <krytarik> jtechs: This is not the place for that.
[03:46] <jtechs> what do i do
[03:46] <krytarik> Try and be more descriptive of what actual technical issues you have.
[03:48] <kermyt> thankfully eve online works well with the intel drivers
[03:48] <kermyt> on a side note I am starting to think the 32 bit libs work but the 64 bit libs are broken
[03:49] <kermyt> I can run kerbal space program in 32 bit mode fine with nvidia
[03:49] <jtechs> I can't install Xubuntu onto a new SSD & HDD. Gigabyte motherboard is victim to common issue of being uncable to boot USB {the workarounds seem difficult if it's even possible for mine, something about the timing of when to plug the USB device in during booting}. I can't get Debian to a point where I can run the ISO from there because I can't even get internet working on it in order to download debootstrap to run the ISO file.
[03:53] <kk4ewt> jtech look for a bios update
[03:53] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Ouch " Is nvidia blacklisted? yes" what shows ' ls -al /etc/modprobe.d ? .. >> ' cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf ' ??
[03:53] <jtechs> every task I need to perform I'm incapable of doing. I suck at research. I just want it installed, I don't want to spend a few days learning systems administration. but then if I did I wouldn't be struggling so much.
[03:53] <jtechs> that's assuming there is a bios update that fixes this issue.
[03:54] <hank_> whats your issue
[03:54] <hank_> maybe I can help....help research
[03:54] <hank_> updating the bios is not so bad.
[03:54] <fishcooker> what's the meaning this output http://vpaste.net/Q6iDo
[03:54] <kermyt> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    49 Jan 12 22:23 nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf -> /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_nvidia_modconf
[03:55] <jtechs> notorious "Gigabyte motherboard won't boot USB" issue
[03:55] <kermyt> it's a symlink
[03:55] <hank_> waking usb
[03:55] <Bashing-om> kermyt: FYI prosecuting same " Error: can't access /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/driver " : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382312 . Just starting to make a bit of headway there .
[03:56] <oerheks> jtechs, is it an UEFI bios?
[03:56] <jtechs> oerheks, not sure. it's only 3 years old. I forget what kind is it. someone named 2 things and it was one of them. Agent or something?
[03:56] <oerheks> jtechs, then look it up in the manual, online??
[03:57] <jtechs> like the type of BIOS.
[03:57] <kermyt> ahhh
[03:57] <jtechs> oerheks, hold on. I'll restart the computer. I have to unplug my keyboard to do that. because my setup is a mess.
[03:57] <kermyt> bumblebee.conf got left after I removed bumblebee
[03:57] <kermyt> it's blacklisting everything
[03:59] <jtechs> award
[03:59] <kermyt> ok I jsut removed the bumblebee.conf and I will just reboot to make sure I have a clean slate
[03:59] <oerheks> jtechs, that is just the brand
[03:59] <Bashing-om> kermyt: ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[03:59] <oerheks> jtechs, go in it, do you see UEFI anywhere??
[03:59] <jtechs> oerheks, right. what info do you want?
[04:00] <oerheks> !uefi
[04:00] <jtechs> ....
[04:00] <jtechs> oerheks, hold on. let me unplug my keyboard again. I'm going to destroy my USB ports just working on this.
[04:02] <kermyt> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/fEdLqEqV
[04:04] <kermyt> Bashing-om, my GPU-manager log is much better looking now
[04:04] <kermyt> but it still isn't working
[04:04] <jtechs> oerheks, I couldn't find UEFI anywhere, no. I think I saw something like UFI or EFI for CD drives.
[04:05] <kermyt> jtechs, you may need to look in your BIOS setting for a "Legacy boot mode"
[04:05] <kermyt> that mode will turn off UEFI if it's active on your hardware
[04:06] <jtechs> I have a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 rev.6.0
[04:06] <fishcooker> i have issue preventing immediate-wake-up-from-suspend-and-or-hibernation http://vpaste.net/Q6iDo
[04:06] <kermyt> I don't know every BIOS
[04:07] <jtechs> yeah just that it took me 5 minutes to switch my keyboard and look manually and maybe I shouldn't have done that to try to find this info.
[04:07] <Bashing-om> kermyt: 'sudo apt purge bumble* ' a conflict with nvidia-prime . nvidia-prime is now prefered . // do not know if that also removes " primus " .
[04:07] <fishcooker> will the lid affect the suspending mybox http://vpaste.net/Q6iDo
[04:08] <kermyt> yep two packages got pushed out
[04:08] <kermyt> and yes it removed primus
[04:08] <kermyt> but that's fine I think
[04:08] <jtechs> kermyt,  no mention of UEFI in the manual for this motherboard.
[04:09] <oerheks> jtechs, good, that skips the uefi thingy
[04:09] <kermyt> that's odd newish MB's normally are sporting it by default
[04:09] <jtechs> it's good? oh. I thought it was a new thing I wanted.
[04:09] <kermyt> UEFI complicates things
[04:10] <kermyt> legacy boot is easier albeit less secure in a meatspace sense.
[04:10] <jtechs> USB Storage Function. Determines whether to detect USB storage devices, including USB flash drives and USB hard drives during
[04:10] <jtechs> the POST. (Default: Enabled)
[04:10] <Bashing-om> kermyt: reboot and let's see what the graphic's situation is now .
[04:10] <jtechs> strange. I don't remember seeing that setting
[04:10] <kermyt> ok 3 min
[04:11] <fishcooker> i think the network manager wake up from the suspend state http://vpaste.net/TYrFi right?
[04:13] <jtechs> do I search for a BIOS update that will let me boot USB {if the info on whether a BIOS update even explicitly has that capability} or do I go looking for existing BIOS settings?
[04:13] <kermyt> Bashing-om, same old same old.
[04:14] <kermyt> I'm curious why nouveu gets loaded even though the nvidia module is also loaded
[04:15] <kermyt> I would have figured it would be "Either or" rather than both.
[04:15] <jtechs> do i want to disable legacy usb storage?
[04:16] <jtechs> well that didn't work
[04:16] <fishcooker> what's the impact with disable it jtechs
[04:19] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Installing nvidia should have blacklisted nouveau :(
[04:19] <kermyt> jtechs, first things first make certain your bios is up to date. a more modern bios will also sometimes have more options to choose from as well as hopefully having less obvious bugs.
[04:20] <kermyt> it's blacklisted but loaded nonetheless
[04:20] <kermyt> my gpo manager log says it's blacklisted
[04:20] <jtechs> kermyt, is it possible to update my bios if I can't boot USB and the only other access I have to the motherboard is through a Debian installation with no internet?
[04:20] <kermyt> it also claims it's unloaded however but lspci -k says different
[04:21] <kermyt> jtechs, not easily no
[04:21] <jtechs> kermyt, hahahaha.
[04:21] <Bashing-om> kermyt: ' lsmod | grep nouveau ' shows nothing ?
[04:22] <kermyt> jtechs, some boards can be upgraded with a serial connection jumpered straight to the MB. but mostly they require you are running a modern version of windows
[04:22] <jtechs> so I need to go on another adventure just on the HOPES it will solve the issue
[04:23] <kermyt> Bashing-om, that seems to indicate it is not loaded
[04:23] <kermyt> so what I see in lspci -k is possibilities and not current module states?
[04:24] <jtechs> kermyt, so should I attempt to find out how to update my BIOS, or should I attempt to find out how to run the Xubuntu installer ISO through GRUB2? which one is less insanely difficult for a retard like me?
[04:25] <kermyt> jtechs, first find out if your bios is up to date
[04:25] <kermyt> if there is an update then worry about how you will get it installed
[04:25] <jtechs> kermyt, I dunno. it's a 3 year old motherboard and I've never updated the BIOS
[04:25] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Yepper . .. // ' ls -al /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ' ? As this is optimus, maybe messed up ?
[04:26] <kermyt> I don't seem to have an Xorg.conf
[04:26] <kermyt> I have an xorg.conf.failsafe
[04:26] <kermyt> that is all
[04:27] <Bashing-om> kermyt: and you do have hybrid graphics ? gotta have it in that case .
[04:27] <kermyt> correct
[04:27] <kermyt> I'm using it right now without one
[04:28] <kermyt> there is no file in /etc/X11/ called Xorg.conf or xorg.conf
[04:28] <kermyt> yet I am currently using it to talk to you now
[04:28] <kermyt> with hexchat
[04:28] <rfleming> Greetings!  Is there a mini.iso for 18.04?
[04:29] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Think in this case - were me - I would again purge and re-install the nvidia-387 driver / EFI system ? and secure boot disabled ?
[04:29] <kermyt> this is a fully UEFI enabled install
[04:29] <kermyt> has been for over a year without issue
[04:30] <Bashing-om> kermyt: thing is that the config file controlls switching graphic's sets .
[04:30] <kermyt> now let me say
[04:30] <rfleming> that's a +1 question... disregard
[04:30] <kermyt> this thing that happened that made me have to reinstall
[04:30] <jtechs> is there a BIOS update to download here? I can't find anything. https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-78LMT-USB3-rev-60#support-cpu
[04:30] <kermyt> that may have been UEFI related error
[04:31] <jtechs> oh nevermind. I think I found it
[04:32] <oerheks> rfleming, i don't see them, minimal nor netboot :-(
[04:32] <jtechs> .... version 2 BIOS date 2014/11/25. I have a feeling that was before I bought this.
[04:32] <kermyt> If I reinstall with legacy boot I will need to reformat my drive and I will lose my home installations and all installed games
[04:32] <rfleming> yeah, I don't either... just the desktop.  I'd like to install vanilla gnome
[04:32] <kermyt> as it was I was able to reinstall without a full format (but therein may lie some of my issues)
[04:33] <jtechs> yup. it's F2, the latest. so no BIOS update for me.
[04:33] <oerheks> rfleming, use the server, install gnome-session, and run sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target to get the desktop login ?
[04:34] <oerheks> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/install-vanilla-gnome-shell-ubuntu-17-10
[04:34] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Noooo .. no re-install of the OS ( we hope ) . thunk we do best to purge the driver and start all over with secire boot disabled .
[04:35] <jtechs> wait what's this? It looks like it's BIOS related but it doesn't say what it's for. @BIOS (AMD)
[04:35] <jtechs> (Note) Support AMD FM2+/FM2/FM1/AM3+ series MB (support may vary by model).
[04:35] <jtechs> ah well whatever. similar release date
[04:35] <kermyt> Bashing-om, that's not the answer I wanted to hear... but it's not totally unexpected.
[04:36] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Not even to the point to consider that nuclear solution !
[04:36] <kermyt> ohoh...
[04:36] <rfleming> oerheks: krytarik in #ubuntu-devel pointed me to the QA builds here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds
[04:36] <kermyt> I totally misunderstood
[04:37] <kermyt> I thought you were advocating a reinstall without UEFI
[04:37] <dingbat> Ahoy, anyone know why I can't mount an HFS+ drive (with journalling turned off) on Ubuntu?
[04:37] <kermyt> I'm not certain that can be done without formatting.
[04:38] <dingbat> Using 14.04.5 LTS, with hfsplus, hfsutils, hfsprogs installed
[04:38] <kermyt> sorry dingbat that wasn't pointed to you
[04:38] <dingbat> when I run 'sudo mount -o force -t hfsplus /dev/sdg1 /mnt/8202/', I get "mount: unkown filesystem type 'hfsplus'"
[04:39] <dingbat> Which I don't understand because I installed hfsplus....
[04:40] <kermyt> ok Bashing-om I may be missing something but I think you are saying I can change boot modes without being destructive to my current partitions.
[04:41] <jtechs> I heard I needed to use the installer to setup encryption. can I get the installer to run through GRUB2 or will I have to ... like... install it normally and then reinstall over itself to setup encryption?
[04:42] <kk4ewt> a lot easier to do the encryption during the install
[04:42] <Bashing-om> kermyt: All I am advoating is to purge the current nvidia driver, clean up .. and re-install the 387 driver . as the driver is 3rd party secure boot will have to be disabled in bios .
[04:42] <jtechs> whatever. I better figure out how to get the installer to load through GRUB2.
[04:42] <kermyt> oh ok that's quite easy
[04:43] <dingbat> argh this seems so silly. Basically, there is _no_ filesystem type that allows me to transfer large files between linux and Mac, as far as I can tell
[04:43] <jtechs> kermyt, an easy task? challenge accepted to make it as difficult as possible.
[04:44] <jtechs> I have this page from last time: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[04:45] <Bashing-om> kermyt: ' sudo apt purge nvidia ; sudo apt autoremove ; dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . should do it with secure boot disabled .
[04:46] <jtechs> it looks like I want the ISO file raw instead of the image restored...
[04:46] <jtechs> hmmmm... maybe not?
[04:50] <jtechs> wait, this uses apt-get commands? is this going to work in GRUB2? I'm confused. do I do this in advance of loading GRUB2?
[04:51] <kermyt> that dpkg command really shows me how my there is still I don't know about cli.
[04:51] <jtechs> my GRUB2 is only accessible through the drive with a Debian installation with no internet.
[04:52] <jtechs> I'm totally screwed.
[04:52] <kermyt> woah
[04:52] <kermyt> autoinstall pushed me to 390
[04:53] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Did not know that one was here yet :)
[04:54] <kermyt> it's installing now. makes me very hopeful
[04:54] <jtechs> maybe I need to find this same info but for Debian? I wonder if the commands are any different. and of course I'd have to use a method that doesn't use the internet to download packages. .... I have a feeling "manually editing the GRUB files" is a method that requires no downloading of packages.
[04:56] <kermyt> it's downloading super slow. launchpad must be swamped right now.
[04:57] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Maybe .. all getting the new 17.10 spon after the patches are in ?
[04:58] <Bashing-om> spin*
[04:58] <chenwj> what package like libstdc++6-6-dbg is for?
[04:58] <kermyt> I'm guessing I'm not the only one experiencing this issue
[04:59] <jtechs> is Debian part of the Ubuntu family?
[04:59] <kermyt> ubuntu is a debian meta distro
[04:59] <jtechs> or are all the Ubuntu's just like Ubuntu with a letter in front of it?
[05:00] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Was not aware of how affected the issue was untill I got involved with in from the forum; finally looked on launchpad for bugs .. bunches !.
[05:00] <jtechs> oh. hrm. I wonder if I can just use those instructions for Ubuntu on Debian then.
[05:01] <pippen> hi ppl just wondering if i need lsb moduals for Ubuntu 17.10 (think my machine is messed up and i wanna try fix it)
[05:01] <jtechs> why would I want to boot the ISO without a GRUB menuentry?
[05:02] <kermyt> if you know what you want to boot way boot a bootloader first?
[05:02] <kermyt> why*
[05:03] <jtechs> I'm not sure what that means. because I can't boot from the USB device, so I need to use the GRUB2 that will boot.
[05:03] <jtechs> did I get that right?
[05:04] <jtechs> I don't know what a bootloader is
[05:04] <kermyt> grub2 is a bootloader
[05:04] <jtechs> ah ok.
[05:04] <oerheks> if you copied the iso to usb, no wonder that it does not boot ( just read back)
[05:04] <oerheks> you need to write it there as image
[05:05] <jtechs> no. my motherboard is incapable of booting from USB.
[05:05] <oerheks> but then again, ask in debian?
[05:05] <oerheks> :-D
[05:05] <oerheks> you are fooling us for hours now
[05:05] <jtechs> I have two USB sticks. one has the ISO installer ... written to it, while the other one has the ISO file copied straight over.
[05:05] <jtechs> they're not going to help me in #debian
[05:05] <oerheks>  /ignore
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> jtechs: thats why there are seperate channels to help users on different Os
[05:06] <jtechs> i want to die
[05:07] <jtechs> well I've been doing most of this work so far in xubuntu.
[05:07] <kermyt> the angst is palpable
[05:07] <jtechs> now I gotta switch over. maybe. I don't know.
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> jtechs: its not difficult..type /join #debian
[05:07] <jtechs> I can't tell if I do this all in the GRUB2 command or if I do any of this in my Debian installation that the GRUB2 loads
[05:07] <Ben64> ask in #debian
[05:13] <kermyt> Bashing-om, Success! I have full 3d on the nvidia side now
[05:13] <pippen> hi guys can anyone please tell me what this means and how to identify and repair root cause of my problems
[05:13] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/mwh1lnZR6XGS5
[05:13] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Well ! Good things can happen :)
[05:14] <pippen> brb will reply to any msg in about 5mins thank you to all
[05:15] <kermyt> and I also learned a little more about secure boot
[05:15] <Ben64> pippen: don't ask a question then leave :|
[05:15] <pippen> im still here
[05:15] <pippen> ill stay
[05:15] <pippen> soz
[05:15] <kermyt> secure boot and UEFI are not mutually inclusive
[05:15] <kermyt> I can still use UEFI with secure boot off
[05:15] <Ben64> pippen: what about that is confusing? you have duplicate lines in the file it says on the lines it says
[05:16] <Bashing-om> kermyt: linux is a fast moving target .. we never stop learning :)
[05:16] <pippen> i dont know to remove the duplicates i am a noob....can i open that file with a txt editor then delete the duplicates and save
[05:16] <pippen> ?
[05:17] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Now that the software ( trusted ) is installed you should now re-enable secure boot .
[05:18] <pippen> or will that not work/mess something up
[05:18] <Ben64> pippen: yes that would work fine
[05:18] <kermyt> Bashing-om, something is still broken
[05:19] <Ben64> pippen: i suggest 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:20] <Bashing-om> kermyt: as in - broken ?
[05:20] <kermyt> it seems so...
[05:20] <kermyt> glxgears runs so that much is fine
[05:21] <kermyt> and it reports it's runinng on the nvidia drivers
[05:21] <kermyt> but steam errors on start and eve also crashes... glxchoosevisual failed
[05:24] <Bashing-om> kermyt: steam and games are out of my experience range .. No help there :(
[05:25] <kermyt> and playonlinux complains about 32 bit opengl libs
[05:25] <kermyt> well things work more than they did anyhow
[05:25] <kermyt> so headway has been made
[05:26] <Bashing-om> kermyt: show ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ' . See what I can do .
[05:26] <kermyt> 38515 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7702.946 FPS
[05:26] <kermyt> oh you want to chase it still? sure I'm game.
[05:28] <kermyt> and oddly enough it's updating the 390 install again
[05:28] <Bashing-om> kermyt: well of POL has a problem, we can look and see ^^.
[05:28] <kermyt> 390.12
[05:28] <kermyt> this is a different version than what I got a few minutes ago
[05:30] <pippen> thank you
[05:31] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/mwh1lnZDD8qh5
[05:31] <pippen> which lines should i delete or add an # to
[05:31] <pippen> dont want to mess things up more
[05:39] <kermyt> ok Bashing-om that was done. I rebooted and still same issues :/
[05:40] <Bashing-om> kermyt: 'sudo apt -f install ' showed nothing missing ?
[05:40] <kermyt> nothing
[05:41] <Bashing-om> kermyt: Then I have nothing else to add :(
[05:43] <sol> hey folks.  I can't for the life of me figure out how to get rid of the 'sudo' package by itself.
[05:43] <sol> when I apt remove sudo, I get; The following packages will be REMOVED:
[05:43] <sol>   gksu* sudo* ubuntu-minimal* unetbootin*
[05:43] <bazhang> sol, why would you want to do that
[05:43] <sol> I don't want to remove ubuntu-minimal or unetbootin!
[05:44] <sol> bazhang; because I don't trust it, I consider it terrible opsec
[05:44] <sol> and I never use it, on top of that :)
[05:44] <bazhang> sol, thats how ubuntu is, we dont use the root account, sorry
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: to get your issue solved, re-ask in the channel with all details in one line so other can read
[05:44] <sol> bazhang; I use the root account plenty
[05:44] <kermyt> well Bashing-om thank you for all of your help. you certainly made headway... I am thinking there is still something buggy happening between kernel and drivers.
[05:45] <sol> I use 'su' every time I need to do something administrative
[05:45] <bazhang> sol, then thats you, sudo is what supported users do
[05:45] <bazhang> sol, sudo -i is how to do that
[05:45] <kermyt> oh jeeze lotuspsychje we have covered so much ground in the last hour and a half ;P
[05:45] <sol> well, if you want to use extremely insecure software that's fine
[05:45] <sol> I'll just rm `which sudo` if there's no supported method
[05:45] <bazhang> sol, this not the place for that chatter
[05:45] <Bashing-om> kermyt: More than welcome . I too made headway here on the same forum issue .
[05:46] <sol> why, is it CIA-run?
[05:46] <sol> I didn't know spooks ran IRC chans.
[05:46] <bazhang> sol, please take the chatter to a non-support channel
[05:46] <kermyt> but lotuspsychje what it boils down to are broken openGL libs when linked against nvidia proprietary drivers.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> sol: try ubuntu-discuss for example
[05:47] <sol> sounds good, ty
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: what ubuntu and driver version?
[05:50] <kermyt> so I just installed the latest xenial. and currently I am using 390.12 nvidia drivers from the launchpad ppa. with the 4.13.0-26-generic kernel
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: have you tested other driver version?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: ubuntu-drivers list to check whats on your system?
[05:51] <kermyt> I have been through three different versions in the last 2 hours
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: they all broken glx?
[05:52] <kermyt> https://pastebin.com/fimhP4RZ output of ubuntu-drivers list
[05:53] <kermyt> and yes all broken glx
[05:53] <kermyt> the current 390.12 works a little better
[05:53] <kermyt> at least with this version glxgears -info works
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: have to tested go back to nouveau, to check if that fixes?
[05:54] <kermyt> I have not tried that however nouveau drivers are an indaquate solution to my problem in the long run
[05:55] <kermyt> I will try it if you want to see the outcome of a test
[05:56] <kermyt> but I intend to use nvidia drivers as this is a gaming machine and the nouveau drivers do not perform nearly as well.
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: i would try this as a test, perhaps it might fix fresh
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> not as longterm solution
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: then try reinstall 384 perhaps, or one driver that came by default?
[05:57] <Guest16350> hai
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: look at this, this way on a fresh install it would probably work right?
[05:57] <Guest16350> hai
[05:57] <kermyt> this started with a fresh install lotuspsychje
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> Guest16350: we see you
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: oh, thats another thing..can you recall wich version of driver?
[05:58] <Guest16350> ??
[05:58] <Guest16350> buhui wan a
[05:59] <kermyt> I started with 384. that was broken on a fresh install
[05:59] <kermyt> but there are many reported bugs with the kernel I am using
[05:59] <Guest16350> what
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[06:00] <Guest16350> i am a chaina
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: system not up to date?
[06:00] <Guest16350> main
[06:00] <kermyt> so I upgraded to the launchpad ppa working on a new nvidia driver and first upgraded to 387 then to 390 then a few minutes later 390.12 appeared.
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> !zh | Guest16350
[06:00] <kermyt> system is up to date
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: lsb_release -a?
[06:01] <kermyt> https://pastebin.com/vnV194Kb
[06:01] <Guest16350> join #nbuntu-tw wo shi
[06:01] <Guest16350> bu xing a
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: looks good, your on hwe kernel?
[06:01] <Guest16350> nono
[06:01] <kermyt> hwe?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> !hwe | kermyt
[06:02] <kermyt> 4.13.0-26-generic
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: try sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade plz?
[06:03] <kermyt> sure ok reading about the HWE thing one moment
[06:04] <kermyt> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:04] <kermyt> I'm up to date
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: how about you test a liveusb with xenial latest and see the glx
[06:09] <kermyt> I can do that easily... give me a few minutes
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: not sure yet why your on that kernel version
[06:10] <kermyt> that is what installed from the xenial latest I downloaded yesterday
[06:12] <kermyt> xenial-desktop-amd64.iso no version number on the image
[06:14] <kermyt> it's Ubuntu-GNOME 16.04.3 LTS amd64
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: ok
[06:15] <kermyt> ok be back in a few going to reboot to the live
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: allrighty
[06:28] <kermyt> well the liveDVD doesn't have any tools to actually test the openGL libs. I did manage to confirm that the nouveau drivers are loaded however and seem to work. but only the intel side of my hybrid card seems to be interacting with the DRI.
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: uname -a plz?
[06:30] <kermyt> Linux games 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 22:00:44 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/ this shows kpti bug should be higher kernel for your xenial
[06:34] <kermyt> so I just learned something
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial | kermyt is the kernel you should be on
[06:34] <kermyt> the 64 bit openGL libs work it's only the 32 bit libs that are broken now
[06:35] <kermyt> so what actual version number should I have?
[06:35] <kermyt> ohoh
[06:35] <kermyt> 4.4
[06:38] <kermyt> linux-image-extra-4.4.0-109-generic I should install this kernel lotuspsychje ?
[06:38] <pippen> hi guys i need to delete some files in my /etc/apt/sources.list:44  because i have duplicates can anyone walk me through it
[06:39] <pippen> pastbin comming up
[06:39] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/mwh1lnmmx11T5
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: you might be on hwe
[06:40] <kermyt> I didn't do it intentionally lotuspsychje
[06:41] <pippen> hopefully using nano or gedit
[06:49] <raavana> hi
[06:49] <acheronuk> kermyt: the 16.04.3 iso installs the meta packages for the HWE kernels. when the iso was made, that installed the 4.10 kernel, so that was what was on the 16.04.3 iso
[06:50] <acheronuk> but the point of having that meta is that it will update you to new HWE versions when they ship via updates, which is what happened early for meltdown fixes
[06:51] <acheronuk> so a system installed from the 16.04.3 iso should quite right now be upgraded to 4.13 kernel when you do a full update
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: ok that fixed, try change to nvidia driver now from nouveau?
[06:55] <kermyt> so to change to nouveau I need to uninstall the nvidia?
[06:56] <kermyt> or is there a less destructive method?
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: no i mean test nvidia on the live?
[06:57] <kermyt> there is nothing to test there. no GLX tools and no GLX apps
[06:57] <kermyt> the drivers load but I have no way to see if it works
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:58] <pippen> no reply ppl
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> pippen: hastebin us your sources.list
[06:58] <kermyt> but I am interested if I could back down to the 4.4 kernel before all of these patches and see if it works
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> !sources | pippen
[06:59] <pippen> can you pls tell me what dmesg i need to show you that
[06:59] <tatertots> pippen: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[07:00] <pippen> yes
[07:00] <tatertots> pippen: open terminal
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | kermyt
[07:00] <pippen> yup
[07:00] <tatertots> pippen: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[07:00] <tatertots> pippen: let me know when done...or wait for someone else to reach a hand out to you
[07:00] <tatertots> pippen: .
[07:00] <pippen> done
[07:01] <pippen> installed
[07:01] <kermyt> thank you I will read
[07:01] <tatertots> pippen: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[07:01] <tatertots> pippen: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link...say so
[07:02] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/Y6hklxzYE2rH7
[07:03] <tatertots> pippen: i want you to look at the information
[07:03] <tatertots> pippen: where it says "repos"
[07:03] <tatertots> pippen: do you see it?
[07:03] <tatertots> pippen: yes or no
[07:04] <pippen> yes
[07:04] <tatertots> pippen: do you see "duplicates" ? yes or no
[07:04] <tatertots> just yes or no
[07:05] <pippen> i dont see the duplicate but i will look carefully and try ctrl f and copy paste to find if you want
[07:05] <pippen> no
[07:06] <pippen> ur call
[07:06] <tatertots> pippen: these "duplicates" you speak of....
[07:07] <pippen> yes
[07:07] <tatertots> pippen: can you take a screen shot and post to imgur.com and share a link so i can be on the same "level" as you and see these "duplicates" you speak of?
[07:08] <pippen> what the key shortcut for 17.10
[07:08] <pippen> screenshot
[07:08] <pippen> nevermind got it
[07:08] <tatertots> pippen: wow..now you're asking me hard questions i don't know the answer to
[07:08] <pippen> print screen didit
[07:09] <tatertots> good
[07:09] <pippen> hang ill find the image and post it to the site in a sec
[07:09] <tatertots> because i wasn't going to be of any help in that regard lol
[07:09] <tatertots> cool beans
[07:13] <pippen> done
[07:13] <pippen> https://imgur.com/a/hjkty
[07:13] <pippen> i think i did it right tatertots
[07:13] <tatertots> thank your sir for being expeditious
[07:14] <tatertots> pippen: this is what you are concerned about?
[07:15] <acheronuk> pippen: did you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/source.list ?
[07:15] <oerheks> some old ppa there, https://launchpad.net/~ole.wolf/+archive/ubuntu/rarcrack
[07:16] <tatertots> acheronuk: maybe look at the "repos" section
[07:16] <acheronuk>  /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:16] <tatertots> acheronuk: maybe look at the "repos" section https://paste.ubuntu.com/26376553/
[07:16] <tatertots> acheronuk: it kinda says what the "dealio" is right there
[07:16] <tatertots> but i'll step aside and let you two gentlemen figure it out.....mmmmkay
[07:16] <pippen> what do i need to do guys
[07:17] <pippen> pls i just need it sorted
[07:17] <oerheks> odd, that rarcrack does not appear in the paste.ubuntu.com url
[07:17] <pippen> i dont care by whom i am just grateful for the help
[07:18] <acheronuk> tatertots: yes, but the previous error message gives the exact lines numbers in the sources.list where the supposed duplicates are. lines 41 and 44
[07:19] <pippen> how do i get there and carry out the deletion pls
[07:20] <pippen> when i tried to find the file it didnt exist or was empty so i am doing sthing wrong hence need guidence
[07:21] <redphone> hmm, did the 17.10 new isos finally come out?
[07:22] <pippen> it did
[07:22] <redphone> pippen, why is the website not saying so then? i do see isos with recent timestamps in a mirror, but not ubuntu.com
[07:22] <oerheks> redphone, yes
[07:23] <oerheks> http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/
[07:24] <oerheks> some patients is needed, 2 huge bugs, testing, bios-corrupting iso's ( and a lot more problems ).. so sorry, that the website is not up2date
[07:24] <acheronuk> redphone: release team have supposedly notified the 'web team' to get the warning removed and links updated on ubuntu.com
[07:24] <redphone> understood, thanks guys
[07:25] <redphone> grabbing and testing the iso. ill be running the new install off a nvme ssd so i was in a rush to test it
[07:25] <acheronuk> most flavours have direct control over their sites hence DL links. ubuntu.com obviously has more admin layers to get through for changes!
[07:27] <pippen> we digresss
[07:29] <pippen> how do i delete the duplicates please ppl
[07:29] <alkisg> Good morning everyone
[07:30] <alkisg> pippen: can you give a summary of the issue for newcomers?
[07:31] <oerheks> duplicates, check the  /etc/apt/source.list.d/  folder
[07:31] <pippen> sure i have duplicates in my /etc/apt/sources list i dont know how to delete them need s1 to walk me through
[07:31] <pippen> will pastbin now
[07:31] <alkisg> pippen: what's the output of this command? grep -r . /etc/apt/sources.list*
[07:31] <alkisg> grep -r . /etc/apt/sources.list* | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:31] <oerheks> or check the  /etc/apt/source.list , sudo nano etc
[07:32] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/Y6hklxzYE2rH7
[07:32] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/Y6hklxzYE2rH7
[07:32] <acheronuk> W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:41 and /etc/apt/sources.list:44
[07:32] <oerheks> alkisg, we already seen that  https://paste.ubuntu.com/26376553/
[07:32] <acheronuk> was the warning posted^^^
[07:32] <redphone> btw anyone here used ovirt on ubuntu? i dont mind running a host for ovirt with centos, but i use ubuntu everywhere else and our own stuff is built for it, including config syncs
[07:33] <oerheks> great, from a pastbin to a pastebin...
[07:33] <acheronuk> pippen: can you please 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit'
[07:34] <alkisg> oerheks: well, that doesn't include the actual lines, it's formatted using some tool that could miss syntax errors etc
[07:34] <alkisg> This seems duplicate:           deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ artful main
[07:35] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/58hg9G2qrKNcv
[07:35] <pippen> soz
[07:35] <alkisg> pippen: copy/paste this: ( sudo sed '/wine/d' -i /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:35] <oerheks> cat, not cd
[07:36] <alkisg> All of it, including the parentheses
[07:37] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/k5hYBQPW3D5uE
[07:37] <pippen> done
[07:37] <zergut> Hello when trying to load Linux image via uefi it says no default or UI configuration directive found
[07:37] <zergut> What could be the problem?
[07:38] <alkisg> zergut: how did you create the usb stick?
[07:38] <alkisg> Rufus? Unebootin?
[07:38] <pippen> alkisg
[07:38] <pippen> noj@nojimon:~$ ( sudo sed '/wine/d' -i /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:38] <pippen> [sudo] password for noj:
[07:38] <pippen> http://termbin.com/f365
[07:38] <pippen> W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/i18n/Translation-en_AU' as repository 'http://linux.teamviewer.com/deb stable InRelease' doesn't have the component 'main' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
[07:38] <pippen> W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/i18n/Translation-en' as repository 'http://linux.teamviewer.com/deb stable InRelease' doesn't have the component 'main' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
[07:39] <alkisg> pippen: use pastebin, don't paste here because the bot will silence you
[07:39] <alkisg> You will be un-silenced in a few minutes now, wait
[07:39] <alkisg> So, you don't have a duplicate sources entry anymore, and now you need to remove the problematic teamviewer and wine entries
[07:39] <alkisg> Run this: software-properties-gtk
[07:40] <alkisg> And in the second tab, "sources", remove teamviewer and wine, and press apply.
[07:40] <pippen> well thought i did if you say so
[07:43] <zergut> alkisg: unetbootin
[07:43] <tatertots> pippen: hi..just finished my dinner, thought i'd check on your progress......so....tell me?
[07:44] <alkisg> zergut: unetbootin doesn't support uefi, use rufus or dd
[07:44] <pippen> following instructions to remove stuff in the sources gui
[07:44] <tatertots> pippen: still got that whole "duplicate" thing going?
[07:45] <pippen> i mean other software gui
[07:45] <EriC^^> zergut: checksum the iso too if you havent
[07:45] <pippen> remove wine and teamviewer im told my duplicates are gone
[07:45] <pippen> all done
[07:45] <pippen> alkisg
[07:45] <alkisg> pippen: ok, now run `sudo apt-get update`, and if you see errors, pastebin them again
[07:46] <tatertots> pippen: cool...glad you got that sorted.....I remember you did not observe any of these "duplicates" in your system info https://paste.ubuntu.com/26376553/
[07:46] <zergut> alkisg: on another pc everything looks okay
[07:46] <alkisg> tatertots: the duplicate line was:            deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu artful main
[07:47] <pippen> how many entries does that "other software" have by default install 17.10
[07:47] <alkisg> zergut: then it doesn't use uefi. See the upstream bug report: https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/issues/33
[07:47] <tatertots> alkisg: ah cool you found it
[07:47] <acheronuk> tatertots: duplicate wine repo hiding in there
[07:47]  * acheronuk too slow
[07:47] <tatertots> cool beans
[07:47] <pippen> yes wine and teamviewer
[07:47] <pippen> dups
[07:48] <pippen> i think im sweat thank you all for your help
[07:48] <zergut> alkisg: I see, but other pc also have uefi
[07:48] <pippen> sweet lol
[07:48] <tatertots> take care
[07:48] <zergut> Could it be it doesn't involve uefi in loading?
[07:48] <alkisg> zergut: the other pc may automatically use bios mode , and this one may not. Just use rufus or dd.
[07:49] <pippen> likewise hope karma returns some good to you
[07:49] <zergut> Booting, I meant
[07:49] <pippen> to you all
[07:49] <zergut> alkisg: okay, thank you
[07:49] <alkisg> np
[07:49] <pippen> gonna try install wine now can anyone tell me if its possible on 17.10 and easy
[07:49]  * alkisg considers karma as the new bitcoin... hmm... nah :)
[07:50] <pippen> 64bit
[07:50] <alkisg> pippen: sure, you install wine with: sudo apt install wine
[07:50] <pippen> lol
[07:50] <pippen> ur rich ill bet
[07:51] <pippen> when i try it gives me a funny output about choosing one when i enter the one stable it wont take it
[07:51] <pippen> will try fresh now
[07:51] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/8qhOqREDNlJC0
[07:52] <pippen> wine has no installation candidate
[07:52] <pippen> what gives guys
[07:53] <alkisg> pippen: what's the output of this? apt show wine | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:53] <alkisg> You may still have the wine ppa in your sources, intefering...
[07:53] <alkisg> Ah, 17.10, I think something was changed then...
[07:54] <alkisg> Right, so, try: sudo apt install wine-stable
[07:55] <alanp> are the patches in -proposed supposed to cover both spectre variants, or just variant 1?
[07:55] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/3lh7KQONvp0C1
[07:56] <pippen> its in the middle of installation
[07:56] <pippen> will get back to u
[07:56] <pippen> completed
[07:56] <alkisg> pippen: ok, so you installed wine
[07:56] <pippen> i think so i will look for it in the activities area
[07:57] <pippen> no i cant find it in when i type wine in
[07:58] <alkisg> pippen: what's the output of this? wine --version
[07:58] <pippen> but in the software centre it says its installed (i have never used b4)
[07:59] <pippen> and it wont launch when i find it
[07:59] <alkisg> pippen: you didn't answer
[07:59] <pippen> one moment
[08:00] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/mwh1ln97O0Vf5
[08:01] <pippen> i tried to install as root "sudo apt-get install wine32" like it said to
[08:01] <alkisg> pippen: output of this? dpkg -l '*wine*'|grep ^ii
[08:02] <pippen> https://thepasteb.in/p/NxhV3BzWPglIN
[08:03] <alkisg> pippen: you have packages from the ppa which you need to purge
[08:04] <pippen> ok lead the way
[08:05] <alkisg> sudo apt purge --auto-remove wine-devel wine-devel-amd64 wine-devel-i386:i386 wine-stable wine64
[08:05] <alkisg> and after that: sudo apt install wine-stable
[08:06] <pippen> should we check b4 install wine stable or nah
[08:06] <alkisg> If it shows errors, wait
[08:07] <alkisg> If it doesn't, go on
[08:07] <pippen> ok here goes no errors
[08:08] <alkisg> OK, and now wine --version
[08:08] <alkisg> If that works, you have wine
[08:08] <alkisg> You don't "launch" wine, you double click on .exe files from the file manager, and wine is used to run them
[08:09] <pippen> you are the most wonderful person in my universe atm thank you more than words can express
[08:09] <alkisg> karma +2 :P :D
[08:09] <pippen> this is going to take a while but i will let you know wen it fins
[08:09] <pippen> lol done no errors
[08:10] <pippen> loving life and you ur awesome mad love to you
[08:10] <pippen> thanks for the help
[08:10] <pippen> like a boss (u are)
[08:10] <alkisg> You're welcome
[08:14] <chenjie> 65165761
[08:15] <chenjie> 65165761
[08:19] <sadmole> Hi , is anyone else also running into this issue today: Err:27 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 Packages                                                                                      Hash Sum mismatch
[08:19] <sadmole> when trying to run apt-get update
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> sadmole: perhaps ask in #ubuntu-mirrors for known apt issues?
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> sadmole: wich country are you?
[08:20] <sadmole> thanks
[08:21] <sadmole> RSA / ZAR
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> sadmole: did you add external ppa's of any kind to your system that could scramble?
[08:24] <sadmole> lotuspsychje: No, it is just vanilla sources.list and I also have the same issue inside docker images today which also use vanilla sources.list.
[08:25] <tatertots> sadmole: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> sadmole: ok and with xenial release are you on?
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> wich
[08:25] <sadmole> 16.04.3
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> sadmole: ok great, ask in mirrors plz if they know more
[08:47] <sebsebseb> ok I am having odd issues.  I have tried various USB's that been made, with UEFI bios enabled even one or two with legacy,  but basically I get grub up,   but it won't load up Ubuntu.  I have disabled secure boot,  I put fast boot off in Wndows even.  I am wondering what is wrong here.  This lap top used to have Linux on it before a new hard disk and motherboard.
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: how did you create the usb's?
[08:49] <oerheks> disable QuickBoot/FastBoot and Intel Smart Response Technology (SRT), says the uefi manual
[08:50] <alkisg> Also, what is the exact error message when it doesn't load ubuntu?
[08:50] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: Etcher that didn't work properly, moved onto unetbootin that apparnatly didn't work as well,  then for my recent ones,  I have used done like every option in refus, but here's the thing  old usb's from wheneveer also not booting up, everything just goes to a black screen.  even persistent usb's I was given with mint mate,  that need legacy boot to work, even those won't do anything but grub or memtest
[08:50] <oerheks> try nomodeset
[08:50] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[08:51] <sebsebseb> oerheks: Intel Smart Response Technology SRT,  I don't remember disablilng that before on this lap top like two years or so ago, but maybe I did,  that's what I was thinking, is there something else in the uefi bios that I  didn't disable, but things seemed to look ok.  is that in the bios  I guess so srt ?
[08:52] <sebsebseb> oerheks: not so sure momodeset would be the thing, I mean its just a Intel card in here,  used to work well
[08:52] <oerheks> yes, but i don know what menu srt is in..
[08:52] <sebsebseb> oerheks: this black screen thing is like what the why
[08:53] <oerheks> ... oke, then don't
[08:53] <oerheks> :-D
[08:53] <alkisg> sebsebseb: an error message of "security prevents kernel loading" would lead to a completely different advice from a "kernel loading and then black screen" message
[08:53] <sebsebseb> oerheks: well that's a kernel paramater ?
[08:53] <alkisg> sebsebseb: disable quiet splash, and mention the error message
[08:53] <oerheks> read that url, i don't copy pste
[08:53] <sebsebseb> alkisg: there is no error message at all. it just does grub, and that's it.  when I put say try ubunt or install ubuntu,  no error message, just black screen
[08:53] <alkisg> sebsebseb: "disable quiet splash"
[08:53] <alkisg> That will allow you to actually see the error
[08:54] <sebsebseb> quiet splash is also a kerenel paraater hmmm   those are a pain to try and change usaully from grub
[08:54] <alkisg> You just press "e" in grub
[08:55] <alkisg> Then add/remove things, and F10 to boot
[08:55] <sebsebseb> I think i'll look for srt first then hmm
[08:57] <sebsebseb> hmm maybe I changed kernel paramateers like two years ago, when  Linuxing this lap top, I really don't remember
[08:58] <xs2> where is Mousepad's config file located? like number of spaces, showing line numbers, and stuff
[08:58] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/nZhlDoWN1vACY
[08:59] <sebsebseb> what would my kerenl line be
[08:59] <vonnojimon> alkisg
[08:59] <sebsebseb> or i just put quite splash and nomo thing in it ?
[08:59] <xs2> I tried editing ~/.config/Mousepad/accels.scm but it didn't work out
[08:59] <alkisg> vonnojimon: have we talked before? I don't remember you
[09:00] <alkisg> vonnojimon: direct your question to the channel, not to specific persons, unless they're already working in your case
[09:00] <vonnojimon> yes i had another nick but you helpd me with duplicates and wine
[09:00] <sebsebseb> alkisg: oerheks   what woud my kernel line be ?
[09:00] <oerheks> xs you might need to logout/login to let that take effect?
[09:00] <alkisg> vonnojimon: well how would I know, if you change your nickname :)
[09:00] <oerheks> sebsebseb, come on, it is all written there...
[09:00] <vonnojimon> lols
[09:00] <vonnojimon> soz
[09:01] <oerheks> i don't copy paste, lazy dude
[09:01] <xs2> well I'll try
[09:01] <alkisg> vonnojimon: it looks like this installer is trying to install wine, which doesn't exist in 17.10, in other words it doesn't support 17.10. Use 16.04 instead.
[09:01] <vonnojimon> o man
[09:01] <sebsebseb> oerheks:  uhmm right
[09:02]  * sebsebseb  has an idea. makes a pastebin of this chat, to put up on phone, then re boot computer and do some changes, and hopefully get some Linux booting properly :;d
[09:02] <vonnojimon> will a bootable usb let of 16.10 let me install it alongside  17.10 or will i hav to look it up
[09:03] <sebsebseb> alkisg: Wine doens'te xist in 17.10 or its just got re named to wine-stable
[09:03] <vonnojimon> re sizing partition blah blah
[09:03] <alkisg> sebsebseb: the second
[09:03] <sebsebseb> alkisg: by the way  vonnojimon   was here yesterday with a wine that had gone wrong from the ppa,  tried to get one from the repos someone tried to help him more than I did, not sure what his progress etc is now
[09:03] <alkisg> vonnojimon: 16.04, which is lts, not 16.10 which is not supported
[09:03] <vonnojimon> so how to make the llinux install.sh work (edit it but where)
[09:03] <alkisg> sebsebseb: I helped him fix the sources issue
[09:04] <vonnojimon> inside Fightcade
[09:04] <alkisg> vonnojimon: non-ubuntu programs are not supported here, you should contact its developers for that
[09:04] <vonnojimon> you awesome sebsebseb
[09:04] <vonnojimon> mad love
[09:04] <vonnojimon> props
[09:04] <vonnojimon> and more
[09:04] <sebsebseb> vonnojimon: I am awesome how so ?
[09:05] <vonnojimon> for ur help
[09:05] <sebsebseb> vonnojimon: uhmm right ok
[09:06] <sebsebseb> oerheks: alkisg   thanks for your help, hopefully I can get Ubuntu loaded up properly soon :)
[09:06] <vonnojimon> if i understand i am runing a ./ which is a script that might  be written in python can i edit it to take into account the name
[09:07] <vonnojimon> of wine that has changed right?
[09:07] <vonnojimon> so i can get Fightcade to run is that possible
[09:08] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/xGhmvAX3omghM
[09:08] <vonnojimon> check this out
[09:24] <vonnojimon> guys i wanna show you all a picture i love you all and thank your for teaching me more about linux
[09:26] <vonnojimon> nah i got Fightcade working thank to you guys
[09:26] <sdfgsdfg> is ubuntu server stripped down version of ubuntu desktop ? just without the desktop manager or ?
[09:26] <vonnojimon> and yes wine is sorted
[09:26] <xs2> does anyone know where is whiskermenu's layout config file placed?
[09:26] <sdfgsdfg> what is whiskermenu
[09:27] <xs2> I can't see the layout in /home/smartalex/.config/xfce4/panel/whiskermenu-1.rc
[09:27] <xs2> it's like start menu
[09:27] <xs2> in xubuntu
[09:27] <jeremies> Sometimes my computer freezes after suspend, why?
[09:27] <sdfgsdfg> can you use that thing with unity
[09:27] <sdfgsdfg> in 16.04
[09:27] <xs2> I wouldn't know really
[09:27] <sdfgsdfg> I mean 17.04 *
[09:28] <sdfgsdfg> what are you using it with, gnome ?
[09:28] <xs2> xfce
[09:28] <sdfgsdfg> why
[09:28] <xs2> why am I using xfce with xubuntu?
[09:29] <sdfgsdfg> oh you're using xubuntu ?
[09:29] <xs2> yup
[09:29] <sdfgsdfg> why
[09:29] <sdfgsdfg> no really, whats the difference its not worth it, unity is the best
[09:29] <alkisg> !offtopic
[09:29] <alkisg> sdfgsdfg: ^
[09:29] <sdfgsdfg> ok
[09:29] <alkisg> This is for support...
[09:30] <vonnojimon> ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa playing street fighter here i come
[09:30] <sdfgsdfg> hadou ken
[09:30] <sdfgsdfg> hadou ken
[09:31] <sdfgsdfg> are there any 4k screensavers for ubuntu ?
[09:31] <sdfgsdfg> like the ones on apple tv
[09:32] <sdfgsdfg> I really like the HD aerial footage, I couldn't find it anything relevant in repositories
[09:40] <tatertots> sdfgsdfg: I'm sure if you could manage to obtain "physical" possession of a 4K image, you could create your own screen saver.
[09:40] <sdfgsdfg> no I meant videos
[09:40] <tatertots> sdfgsdfg: keep in mind some images are copyright
[09:41] <tatertots> sdfgsdfg: insert the word or term or phrase "video" above where i wrote the term "image" same rules apply...
[09:42] <sdfgsdfg> I found it by the way
[09:42] <sdfgsdfg> https://gist.github.com/Dhertz/9dd69eaad092d0c0fe96
[09:42] <sdfgsdfg> so I dont see how copyright is relevant
[09:43] <tatertots> bottom line..do you have possession of of what you want as a screen saver...be it gif,jpg,bmp,mp4,mpg,avi,wmv, asf, rm files
[09:43] <tatertots> i shouldn't have to name every file extension in the world
[09:44] <tatertots> but i hope it's clear
[09:45] <sdfgsdfg> apparently apple already has an api serving those copyrighted material
[09:45] <sdfgsdfg> as linked above
[09:45] <tatertots> the "method" in which a person "personally" at their own "discretion" chooses to use to obtain gif,bmp,mp4 is a personal responsibility/liability
[09:46] <tatertots> just saying ....
[09:46] <sdfgsdfg> you can calm down now I think
[09:46] <sdfgsdfg> lol
[09:46] <sdfgsdfg> just sharing and helping others
[09:47] <oerheks> just spamming and not helpfull at all
[10:21] <V7> Is it possible to check if system's locales are set correctly in case of scipt ?
[10:21] <wabbe> Opening the file viewer there is an entry "network". But when I use a program (firefox or office rtc) and try to "open" from the file menue then I don't see an entry "network". What need I do to have access to files over the network. Anywho here who can give a hint?
[10:23] <alkisg> wabbe: usually network shares that you connect via the file manager, are accessed via "gvfs" in /run/user/your-uid/gvfs
[10:24] <wabbe> alkisg need I edit gvfs?
[10:27] <wabbe> alkisg I cannot find a gvfs
[10:28] <michael2> hi I just st installed a fresh
[10:28] <Ben64> wabbe: mount the share somewhere then use it normally
[10:36] <wabbe> alkisg now I followed the directory chain /run/user... and found ath the end a smb-share directory which contains files to net devices too, egz the router
[10:36] <vivek__> msg/ hi, i am new to python can any one suggest best tutorial or website  for learining python
[10:37] <wabbe> Ben64 thank you for the hint but how can I "mount the share somewhere..."
[10:38] <Ben64> depends what type of network share it is, might be able to right click it and hit mount, or might have to type a command
[10:41] <wabbe> Ben64 where can I find the "share" to right click it?
[10:50] <alkisg> wabbe: in general, when you mount things using the file manager, type "mount" to see where it went, e.g. /run/user...
[10:55] <zomaar> Make it rain
[10:55] <alkisg> ````````````````````````````````
[10:56] <OS-27966> hello
[10:56] <zomaar> I pressed ctrl-L so the rain was also at the top of the screen
[10:56] <zomaar> Haha
[10:56] <zomaar> Hi
[11:07] <wabbe> alkisg when I type "mount" I get dozens of entries
[11:07] <alkisg> wabbe: yes, there are dozens of things mounted
[11:08] <alkisg> mount | grep /run/user ==> can limit if you want to limit the output
[11:08] <wabbe> what I want is to see my WLAN router from within a program like e.g. office
[11:09] <alkisg> wabbe: your router shares files with samba, as a windows share?
[11:09] <wabbe> grep | /run/user shows two entries
[11:10] <alkisg> (01:09:03 μμ) alkisg: wabbe: your router shares files with samba, as a windows share?
[11:10] <alkisg> Anyway gotta go, later...
[11:10] <jeremies> How to enable pulseaudio over xdmcp?
[11:11] <wabbe> yes I think it is samba but there is also an installation of  cifs
[11:11] <bjoern> hey, have a problem since last kernel update: my normal keyboard and mouse on thinkpad lenovo l570 dont work after startx command or logging in. they work on virtual shell (strgaltF1). external usb keyboard/mouse work. system is 4.13.0-26-generic on ubuntu 16.04.3LTS with normally plasma
[11:38] <zomaar> Who says you're not star potential, who says you're not presidential?
[11:47] <tatertots> wabbe: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[11:48] <tatertots> bjoern: do you have the same symptom(s) when booted to livecd/liveusb? yes or no
[11:49] <tatertots> bjoern: if you do not know....go find out
[11:58] <bjoern> I'll try, chere to get it?
[11:59] <bjoern> tatertots
[12:00] <zomaar> bjoern: The standard DVD/USB installer is a Live DVD
[12:00] <sebsebseb> ah  can't boot past grub still after everything!  on the live usb.
[12:02] <bjoern> thx
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:21] <tatertots> bjoern: did you boot livecd/liveusb? yes or no
[12:23] <bjoern> tatertots: did download, now getting the disc...
[12:23] <tatertots> bjoern: ten four, i roger your "negative"..roger that
[12:27] <Sven_vB> my attempt to install systemd on trusty seems to have broken my syslog. the only messages I get in the last hours are about wifi failures, no matter how often I try to run the "logger" command with different texts. also, SSH, apache and tor usually logged much stuff, now not even when I restart them. :( any ideas how to fix?
[12:27] <ficko> Could someone give me a hand? I'm getting errors installing xrdp on a rpi. It has always worked, but but now it doesn't seem to work. Log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26377877/
[12:28] <oerheks> Sven_vB, systemD on trusty? what guide did you follow? i guess the best and fastest way is re-install
[12:28] <Sven_vB> oerheks, no guide. I just ran "sudo aptitude install systemd".
[12:30]  * Sven_vB headbutts keyboard
[12:30] <Sven_vB> was way easier. just figured out the local syslog is called rsyslog
[12:30] <Sven_vB> that one I could restart and now it works
[12:32] <Sven_vB> well, asking in IRC does help at times. :))
[12:32] <oerheks> trusty was the first with an early systemd, i wouldn' t reccomend it..
[12:32] <oerheks> ah good..
[12:33] <Sven_vB> yeah, I was blinded by bad xinetd tutorials that claimed it couldn't do TCP+wait socket activation, so I thought systemd's socket activation was the hot new thing.
[12:34] <Sven_vB> now that I have syslog back, hopefully I can debug why xinetd wouldn't work. :)
[12:34] <zomaar> Sven_vB: It is sort of systemd-journald now
[12:34] <Sven_vB> zomaar, I still expect my messages in /var/log/syslog
[12:35]  * BluesKaj wonders why anyone would want systemd without it being installed by default
[12:35] <zomaar> Yarr, that's an option too
[12:35] <Sven_vB> well now they're there again, so all seems well for now.
[12:36] <Sven_vB> BluesKaj, as said, I wanted socket activation, and some bad xinetd tutorials claimed it couldn't do it.
[12:37] <zomaar> The entire reason for journald was, apart from the fact that it has "systemd" in the name
[12:37] <zomaar> That you cannot alter those logs after the fact
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Sven_vB, why not just upgrade to 16.04 ?
[12:39] <zomaar> So it is "opaqueness" on purpose
[12:39] <zomaar> Thou Shalt Not Change Your System
[12:39] <Sven_vB> BluesKaj, too much PHP5 legacy still
[12:40] <Sven_vB> zomaar, if I wanted a system that I couldn't hack on, I'd use iOS
[12:41] <zomaar> The entire reason for systemd-networkd, is just that it has "systemd" on it
[12:41] <zomaar> Or systemd-resolved I mean
[12:41] <oerheks> php5 could be a valid reason, but still.. well, you solved it, good find
[12:43] <Sven_vB> yeah, the apache stuff is the primary showstopper for xenial atm. I even shimmed the missing bluetooth tools so I can use xenial on some of my machines, but for those with webservers, it will take a lot more effort before I can upgrade.
[12:43] <zomaar> Same problem I have with Debian 8 -> 9
[12:44] <zomaar> More than that they dropped Owncloud from Debian 9 and some more things
[12:44] <zomaar> Which makes upgrading really a pest
[12:45] <Sven_vB> don't they have sth like PPAs for that?
[12:46] <zomaar> Dk, you can get it from the next installment (testing has it again) but Owncloud has an upgrade path that cannot skip versions
[12:46] <zomaar> To keep the same database you are required to do all intermediate steps
[12:46] <zomaar> Using intermediate versions
[12:46] <bjoern> tatertots: on live dvd everything is fine, and now keyboard works again (forever or just from time to time, dont know), mouse dont works yet
[12:47] <zomaar> So that's fun, you have to download upstream packages, get it to work with your database, upgrade, etc.
[12:47] <zomaar> Until you end up on the version you want
[12:48] <zomaar> But maybe they have PPAs for this purpose yeah... :-/
[12:49] <zomaar> But Jessie version is 7, they are now at 10
[12:49] <xs2> can I say to apt or dpkg to --asume-ok and then --assume-yes or --assume-anything-positive till the end? Some installers ask you to accept the license, like oracle java installer or mscorefonts
[12:49] <Sven_vB> sounds like a ploy to convince users to switch to opaque commercial clouds
[12:50] <zomaar> They had a fight (Debian had) with the Owncloud people, I don't remember what
[12:50] <xs2> what users
[12:50] <xs2> I'm automating my own system
[12:50] <zomaar> Oh yes, Owncloud thought Debian was putting users' databases at risk
[12:51] <xs2> so, ... can I do this or not?
[12:51] <Sven_vB> xs2, there's a better approach, i'll look it up
[12:51] <xs2> ok nice, thanks Sven_vB
[12:52] <xs2> oh sorry
[12:52] <xs2> I thought you were talking to me
[12:52] <zomaar> But the Ownclouders are a bit high and lofty and think they have the most astounding cloud offering
[12:52] <tatertots> bjoern: I'm glad your symptom(s) do NOT occur when booted to livecd/liveusb....that is very informing and "isolating" for those that understand trouble shooting methodology correctly.
[12:52] <zomaar> A bit like some carpenter that will only sell you a table if he can prototype it 3 times...
[12:53] <Sven_vB> xs2, may I flood you some code in query?
[12:54] <zomaar> (So the end result is no table... :()
[12:54] <bjoern> tatertots: and what to recover my thinkpoint-thingy again?... its quite unhandy...
[12:55] <tatertots> a bit like ...the symptom(s) are isolated to the "human installed OS" that's plausibly/possibly tainted with all sorts of ill will....can i make it more clear...sure
[12:55] <linux_> hello
[12:56] <tatertots> human linux admins believe it or not are far from expert(s) or perfect
[12:56] <tatertots> human error is real
[12:56] <zomaar> Partitularly the things you just forgot about momentarily
[12:56] <chat_> when i add multiple remote apt repositories for different versions of a software. why does apt install only know one package? i am talking about mongodb. i expect there to be something like software-versionnumber instead of just 'software'
[12:57] <zomaar> Like that computer power plug that is just not connected
[12:57] <zomaar> chat_: This only works if the different versions have different package names
[12:58] <oerheks> chat_, why would you add multiple versions/ ubuntu would see the latest only, unless you start pinning
[12:58] <chat_> i added 3.4 and 3.6 but i have no clue then which version apt install would actually install then
[12:58] <bjoern> tatertots: seams to be, yeah... but i dont have a clue how to proceed... if i would know the things i missed.... :D bad thing is that it happened after the update/reboot without other config-things done as root...
[12:58] <oerheks> LoLz
[12:58] <tatertots> bjoern: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[12:59] <zomaar> chat_: Notice how python27 and python3 are different packages
[12:59] <bjoern> yes with external keyboard
[12:59] <tatertots> bjoern: you are booted to livecd/liveusb right now? yes or no
[12:59] <bjoern> no
[12:59] <zomaar> chat_: What oerheks is saying is that normally you get the latest version
[12:59] <tatertots> bjoern: open terminal
[12:59] <inflex> Is there a turn-key apt get'able crypto wallet that works for a good portion of currencies for Ubuntu yet?
[12:59] <gambl0re> i thought ubuntu comes with python 3 but when i check the version it says i have 2.7?
[13:00] <tatertots> bjoern: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit sosreport
[13:00] <tatertots> bjoern: let me know when done
[13:00] <zomaar> gambl0re: Default "python" symlink will be changed to python 3 I think in 18.04
[13:00] <gambl0re> do i have to manually install python 3?
[13:00] <zomaar> gambl0re: If you execute python3 directly you will have python 3
[13:00] <zomaar> No
[13:01] <zomaar> Just run python3
[13:01] <zomaar> E.g. even unattended-upgrades on Xenial uses python3
[13:02] <gambl0re> ok
[13:02] <gambl0re> do you know the best way to install anaconda
[13:02] <bjoern> done
[13:02] <zomaar> Nope
[13:02] <tatertots> bjoern: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[13:02] <tatertots> bjoern: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[13:02] <chat_> python2 and python3 are very different things. ok. but what if there was a python package with some package version like python/from-repo-xy 2.4 amd64 and python/xenial-updates 10.10 .. but apt install only lists python as a package. no version shown there. it this something to specify with pinning?
[13:03] <gambl0re> are you sure i have python 3?
[13:03] <gambl0re> when i do - python -V it shows 2.7
[13:03] <zomaar> No
[13:03] <zomaar> The pinning will only effect a single package name, and put it to the older version
[13:04] <zomaar> gambl0re: Then maybe run python3 -V as said
[13:04] <gambl0re> i did that
[13:04] <gambl0re> it says 3.7
[13:04] <zomaar> No you did python -V
[13:04] <gambl0re> 2.7
[13:04] <zomaar> Just type which python3 okay
[13:05] <bjoern> shoud be arrived as private message
[13:06] <gambl0re> zomaar, i have 3.4
[13:06] <zomaar> Well then
[13:06] <gambl0re> but if i need 3.6
[13:06] <gambl0re> but i need 3.6
[13:06] <gambl0re> https://www.anaconda.com/download/#linux
[13:06] <zomaar> Yakkety has 3.5
[13:07] <zomaar> I assume Zesty may have 3.6
[13:07] <kk4ewt> gambl0re, most distros have anaconda
[13:07] <gambl0re> kk4ewt, i have ubuntu 14
[13:07] <gambl0re> i dont see it
[13:08] <kk4ewt> gambl0re,  and how would you normally install a program in ubuntu
[13:08] <gambl0re> apt get
[13:08] <zomaar> Is there a bot here that will easily show versions of packages?
[13:08] <zomaar> Like Debian
[13:08] <zomaar> ,v python3
[13:09] <ioria> !info python3 trusty
[13:09] <kk4ewt> gambl0re, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiUmvOpgdXYAhXjk-AKHfHaDdYQFggwMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Faskubuntu.com%2Fquestions%2F505919%2Fhow-to-install-anaconda-on-ubuntu&usg=AOvVaw22tkKytQgFGMcwePwkSNn6
[13:09] <zomaar> !info python3 trusty-backports
[13:09] <kk4ewt> opps
[13:09] <firstrow> join #logvoyage
[13:09] <zomaar> !info python3 xenial-backports
[13:09] <firstrow> sorry.
[13:09] <gambl0re> i thought you said anaconda comes with ubuntu?
[13:09] <kk4ewt> gambl0re, https://askubuntu.com/questions/505919/how-to-install-anaconda-on-ubuntu
[13:09] <zomaar> !info python3 zesty
[13:10] <zomaar> !info anaconda trusty
[13:10] <zomaar> !info anaconda xenial
[13:10] <ioria> anaconda is RH
[13:10] <zomaar> !info python3 artful
[13:11] <gambl0re> https://www.anaconda.com/download/#linux
[13:11] <gambl0re> if i download 3.6v if i have 3.4v will it make a differnce?
[13:11] <zomaar> 17.04 is the first Ubuntu version with python 3.6
[13:11] <zomaar> Maybe you can just download an older version
[13:12] <gambl0re> i only see 2 version on their site
[13:12] <kk4ewt> use whats in the distro
[13:12] <chat_> apt-get install app=1.2.3 is possible to install a specific version, not the latest. but that does not solve for the same package name from different repository with maybe the same version number.
[13:12] <zomaar> 17.10 I mean
[13:12] <zomaar> chat_: That's what I said, what you want is not possible
[13:13] <zomaar> chat_: How would they even install on the same system with the same filenames?
[13:13] <chat_> zomaar: ok, thank you for that info
[13:13] <oerheks> !info python3.6
[13:13] <zomaar> chat_: What you can do is download the package and unpack it locally but
[13:15] <zomaar> chat_: If you download the package you can do something like dpkg --instdir=/usr/local -i <package.deb>
[13:15] <zomaar> chat_: But it will still conflict I think
[13:16] <zomaar> chat_: However at that point you have the files on your system
[13:16] <candidat> hi
[13:16] <oerheks> !pinning
[13:17] <sw0rdy> hi guys, in the wiki it says to add Canonical Partners software and install adobe-flashplugin to get flash working on chromium, but apt-get is saying it will have to remove flashplugin-installer ... my question: is that okay/better?
[13:18] <chat_> zomaar: ok. i was just trying to upgrade a mongodb server. 3.2 is running. 3.4 was configured as their own repo. (already confusing) and 3.6 is available. but apt install just shows one version. so i held back to just install some random version.
[13:18] <zomaar> chat_: apt-cache policy mongodb
[13:18] <chat_> will check that
[13:19] <chat_> thanks
[13:20] <chat_> (next week)
[13:21] <zomaar> chat_: Oerheks is saying you can prefer the PPA version over the distribution version using pinning
[13:21] <oerheks> jups
[13:21] <zomaar> chat_: Even though it has a lower version
[13:22] <zomaar> Because she is sweet
[13:23] <chat_> i will read that up. how to pin with apt
[13:27] <forgon> Downloaded a live CD for 16.04-3 LTS Xenial, a long-time stable version. Yet receive 404 warnings when trying to install a package.
[13:28] <zomaar> sudo apt update
[13:28] <zomaar> Unfortunately the repositories start to diverge after release
[13:29] <forgon> Okay, thanks.
[13:30] <zomaar> (Which is really annoying when you are on limited data)
[13:30] <zomaar> (Because the update is at least 40MB ;-))
[13:31] <forgon> Otoh, if you're very concerned about system size another distribution may be better.
[13:32] <zomaar> Ubuntu is rather slim compared to some others though
[13:32] <zomaar> OpenSUSE installer is at least 3GB
[13:44] <pizzaburger> Hi! I'm having trouble keeping my second monitor on while closing the lid of my laptop. Running lubuntu. I edited  /etc/systemd/logind.conf HandleLidSwitch=ignore but the screen still turns off. Any ideas?
[13:45] <zomaar> Run xrandr --auto
[13:46] <zomaar> It is also possible to have it run on a udev trigger of the monitor turning off/on
[13:46] <j0rst_> hmn
[13:46] <j0rst_> exit
[13:46] <ReichtangleAnsch> yo
[13:47] <zomaar> But on KDE KScreen interferes and possibly on LXCE also?
[13:47] <zomaar> Yo
[13:49] <zomaar> pizzaburger: Or run xrandr --output <port> --primary --mode <resolution> --output <port2> --mode <resolution> --same-as <port>
[13:50] <gabrielc> Hi all. on ubuntu 16.04 I have the package intel-microcode-3.20180108.0~ubuntu16.04.2 but when I run 'dmesg | grep microcode' I see the previous version. I have already restarted the computer once after updating the microcode package. what is missing?
[13:53] <ReichtangleAnsch> anyone know how to install updates
[13:53] <gambl0re> after i installed anaconda. i tried running the command "navigator-anaconda" but i was getting "command not found"
[13:53] <gambl0re> then i ran  export PATH=~/anaconda3/bin:$PATH
[13:53] <ReichtangleAnsch> anaconda?
[13:53] <ReichtangleAnsch> isnt that fedora stuff?
[13:53] <gambl0re> then i ran "navigator-anaconda" again and it worked
[13:53] <gambl0re> ReichtangleAnsch, no
[13:54] <gambl0re> anyone know why it does that?
[13:54] <zomaar> ReichtangleAnsch: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[13:54] <ReichtangleAnsch> i mean i want to update to 17.10 with like gnome dextop
[13:55] <zomaar> gambl0re: I am unsure why you know how to set the search path
[13:55] <zomaar> gambl0re: The search path is where the shell looks for programs
[13:55] <gambl0re> zomaar, im a noob. should be obvious by now
[13:56] <gambl0re> why do i have to export?
[13:56] <forgon> Mmh, looks like 16.04.3 LTS does not have qtscript5-dev ?
[13:56] <zomaar> forgon: Check if it is not libqtscript5-dev
[13:56] <zomaar> forgon: Debian/Ubuntu adds lib to many packages
[13:57] <forgon> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libqt5script5
[13:57] <forgon> At least ^ should exist, but `Unable to locate package libqt5script5`.
[13:57] <brainwash> !info qtscript5-dev xenial
[13:58] <gambl0re> ?
[13:58] <zomaar> strange yes
[13:58] <forgon> Not so strange, I've never used this distro.
[13:59] <PolanSpace> yo
[13:59] <zomaar> forgon: No I am on limited sources.list so I sometimes miss something
[13:59] <brainwash> forgon: is the "universe" repository enabled? check the output of "apt-cache policy"
[14:00] <forgon> brainwash: No, it isn't.
[14:00] <forgon> I see there was some DB error when running `sudo apt update`
[14:00] <zomaar> forgon: fix for that
[14:01] <zomaar> forgon: sudo mv /var/cache/appinfo/..... hmm
[14:01] <zomaar> There is a file that is wrong because of the overlay
[14:01] <zomaar>  /var/cache/appinfo/default or something
[14:01] <zomaar> You have to move it to /tmp, and then back
[14:01] <zomaar> Then it works
[14:02] <zomaar> Annoying bug in Xenial live...
[14:03] <forgon> zomaar: ... and then back?
[14:03] <forgon> Did you mean I should try something in-between?
[14:03] <zomaar> No
[14:04] <zomaar> link problem
[14:04] <zomaar> Just move it back
[14:05] <zomaar>  /var/cache/app-info/xapian/default
[14:05] <zomaar> sudo mv /var/cache/app-info/xapian/default /tmp; sudo mv /tmp/default /var/cache/app-info/xapian
[14:06] <zomaar> Stupid isn't it ;-)
[14:07] <zomaar> But there is something wrong with the overlay
[14:07] <forgon> I still don't find the package :|
[14:07] <forgon> and see no universe in `apt-cache policy`
[14:07] <sw0rdy> what is the version of top that is less clustered and more organized again?
[14:08] <forgon> sw0rdy: htop, atop?
[14:08] <sw0rdy> ahh thanks, I forgot was trying to do something like toph or top -h :P
[14:11] <zomaar> forgon: try qtscript5-dev now
[14:12] <forgon> zomaar: I suceeded by running
[14:12] <forgon> sudo add-apt-repository universe
[14:12] <zomaar> But that should be activated on Live DVDs...
[14:12] <zomaar> Hmm
[14:12] <forgon> or, so it seems. I'll have to install quite a few things now, which might still have problems.
[14:13] <zomaar> Sure sure, but don't run ahead of things
[14:14] <forgon> exposure to computers has done much to increase scepticism in forgon :|
[14:14] <zomaar> :)
[14:14] <zomaar> I sometimes curse the day I ever got into Linux
[14:14] <zomaar> Which is like 20 years ago
[14:15] <forgon> I remember it well. Installed Arch without knowing anything about Linux, and running into a device driver problem.
[14:16] <forgon> but I got addicted, a bit like https://xkcd.com/456/
[14:16] <zomaar> I had a developer CD with SuSE, Slackware, Red Hat, Debian
[14:16] <zomaar> I think I only installed SuSE and Red Hat from that set to try out
[14:17] <zomaar> But I couldn't go online in Linux because i had a win-modem ;-)
[14:18] <zomaar> I did nothing other than try some utilities from a book
[14:18] <zomaar> I remember how alien sed and awk looked to me
[14:19] <zomaar> Then I bought a cheap SuSE 6 dvd or something
[14:19] <zomaar> I wonder where it went...
[14:20] <zomaar> Downloading CDs at 4KB/s was not very suitable...
[14:20] <zomaar> And Fl. 1,80 per hour
[14:21] <zomaar> During the evening, 3,60 during the day
[14:22] <forgon> Mutations for nocturnality are favoured :p
[14:23] <forgon> (after a long time where that wasn't the case)
[14:23] <zomaar> The cartoon is a bit off, haha, doing "autoconf" issues after week 6 ;-)
[14:33] <kostkon> zomaar, well Linux gained support for winmodems eventually, around the time dsl was taking off so this whole thing got shelved pretty quickly
[14:33] <zomaar> DSL was even much later as far as I remember
[14:34] <zomaar> But I didn't know that, thanks.
[14:34] <kostkon> zomaar, depends of the country/region i guess
[14:34] <zomaar> No I mean we got cable first
[14:35] <zomaar> Also 4kb/s
[14:35] <kostkon> zomaar, oh, that's a north american thing
[14:35] <zomaar> No in the Netherlands
[14:35] <kostkon> zomaar, i mean cable, that is
[14:35] <kostkon> zomaar, really? interesting
[14:36] <zomaar> South-west Netherlands got cable first (in the Hague)
[14:36] <zomaar> As far as I know anyway
[14:36] <zomaar> Today cable:adsl is still about 50:50
[14:37] <kostkon> zomaar, that sounds just about right, in equilibrium
[14:39] <zomaar> Cable still has the advantage of analog TV and radio(!) most importantly
[14:39] <kostkon> zomaar, you are still able to receive analog through cable?
[14:39] <zomaar> Yes
[14:40] <zomaar> My only TV is free-to-air DVB-T1 ;-)
[14:40] <zomaar> 4 channels TV + a bunch of radio
[14:41] <zomaar> On the computer
[14:41] <zomaar> Card only works in Linux
[14:41] <zomaar> Too old for Windows
[14:41] <kostkon> zomaar, as it should i guess. although the amount of tv channels seems low
[14:42] <zomaar> There is for pay version about €12/month
[14:42] <zomaar> That has all the channels
[14:43] <zomaar> Typical cable/adsl subscriptions cost about €40-50 with TV and telephone included
[14:44] <zomaar> ADSL also has radio but I think poor user interface (using the TV)
[14:44] <zomaar> And I think DAB+ never took off...
[14:45] <kostkon> zomaar, it hasn't yet
[14:46] <zomaar> I wonder if I can split off radio from my DVB-T antenna
[14:47] <kostkon> zomaar, no idea :/
[14:48] <gambl0re> every time i want to run anaconda-navigator i have to first type  export PATH=~/anaconda3/bin:$PATH
[14:49] <gambl0re> anyone know why? thanks
[14:50] <zomaar> gambl0re: You can put it in your .bashrc
[14:50] <zomaar> gambl0re: There is a file in your home directory called .bashrc
[14:50] <zomaar> gambl0re: e.g. you can type "gedit ~/.bashrc"
[14:51] <zomaar> gambl0re: Then you can put that string at the bottom
[14:51] <zomaar> gambl0re: And save
[14:51] <gambl0re> i put it in my bash rc file already
[14:51] <Exagone313> put in .profile too
[14:51] <zomaar> gambl0re: Then a new shell should have it
[14:52] <Exagone313> (and relog, for .profile)
[14:52] <forgon> gambl0re: Do you know the meaning of $PATH?
[14:52] <gambl0re> yea
[14:52] <forgon> okay
[14:53] <gambl0re> forgon, what is it?
[14:53] <zomaar> ((... I didn't say this here... but there is a package corrupt in the yakkety archives ))
[14:54] <forgon> gambl0re: It's a list of directories to search for executable files
[14:54] <oerheks> forgon, gambl0re is crossposting to see who is faster with an answer, his speciality
[14:55] <gambl0re> do i have to do this all the time whenver i install an application?
[14:56] <gambl0re> oerheks, not sure who you are but ok.
[14:57] <forgon> gambl0re: Only when you install something to a previously unlisted path.
[14:57] <zomaar> She is just sweet, that's her specialty haha. Just kidding, don't mean bad. I like you
[14:57] <gambl0re> i just added export PATH=~/anaconda3/bin:$PATH to my .profile
[14:57] <gambl0re> and still doesnt work
[14:58] <gambl0re> zsh: command not found: anaconda-navigator
[14:58] <redlegion> gambl0re: i usually have to source the damn thing until i log out or reboot
[14:59] <redlegion> any time i make a change to .profile, anyway
[14:59] <gambl0re> so i should log out/login?
[14:59] <gambl0re> also whenver i log out why does all my applications close?
[14:59] <redlegion> depends
[14:59] <redlegion> stuff like keybase that piggyback off systemd won't
[15:00] <gambl0re> i thought logging out saves your session
[15:00] <redlegion> hm, i'm using ubuntu budgie, not the ordinary flavor
[15:00] <redlegion> budgie doesn't save my session
[15:00] <zomaar> gambl0r: If you execute from the shell your application will also be in the foreground
[15:01] <zomaar> gambl0re: Make sure you execute with & at the end to ensure it won't get closed when you close the shell
[15:01] <stillunt1tled> just quick q about xfce
[15:01] <stillunt1tled> do i type 'startxfce4'
[15:01] <stillunt1tled> or
[15:01] <stillunt1tled> 'startx'
[15:01] <gambl0re> i logout manually through the menu
[15:01] <gambl0re> usually
[15:02] <gambl0re> if i do 'sudo pm-suspend' it will save my session?
[15:02] <stillunt1tled> i replaced gnome with xfce
[15:02] <zomaar> Session support is limited
[15:02] <gambl0re> im using cinnamon by the way
[15:02] <forgon> stillunt1tled: startx, and put `startxfce4` in your .xinitrc
[15:02] <_KaszpiR_> stillunt1tled startx should detect prefered window manager
[15:03] <stillunt1tled> forgon: i have xdm installed so, im assuming just put startx in .xinitrc?
[15:03] <forgon> stillunt1tled: Basically, startx is a wrapper that launches your window manager/ desktop among other stuff
[15:03] <stillunt1tled> i got xdm installed
[15:03] <forgon> stillunt1tled: No, .xinitrc is the file that is executed when you run startx
[15:03] <stillunt1tled> oof
[15:03] <_KaszpiR_> yeah
[15:03] <stillunt1tled> .xsession?
[15:03] <stillunt1tled> so i put startx in .xsession?
[15:04] <forgon> I suppose that works as well
[15:04] <forgon> Afaik .xsession is a wrapper for .xinitrc
[15:06] <akik> forgon: it's .xsessionrc
[15:08] <stillunt1tled> xfce's login screen looks spooky
[15:09] <stillunt1tled> oh noes i login and it dosnt work whatever shall i do (looks at the stack overflow issue i read a minute ago)
[15:09] <stillunt1tled> oh
[15:22] <memo1> Hi, im working with and server-client program, where the server have a dinamic IP.  The client needs to constantly logging to the server.  Can you recommend a free/open service ddns?
[15:23] <somvch> Hey guys, can someone tell me how to install Radeon HD 6320 drivers? The one that I downloaded from ATI website did not installed and crushed
[15:23] <somvch> *crashed
[15:24] <mattcode> How can I prevent PulseAudio switching to my headphones by default? The headphone detection seems to be broken and it randomly switches my line out, I unplugged my front panel audio connector but it still switches :(
[15:25] <BluesKaj> somvch, find the correct driver in the terminal, sudo ubuntu-drivers list ...don't use linux drivers from the mfger , they break on the next kernel upgrade anyway
[15:26] <somvch> thank you very much!
[15:35] <TaiLopez> hi
[15:36] <PTNapivoski> TaiLopez, hi
[15:51] <stillunt1tled> also
[15:51] <stillunt1tled> good morning everoyne :)
[16:22] <hfp> Hi all, I see there is a new update to the Intel microcode from Jan 8th. I heard it can cause serious problems (it has bugs and can keep the machine from booting). Do I have outdated info and it's safe to install, or better keep away? Running an i7 3520m
[16:23] <hfp> memo1: Check hurricane DNS, they have dynamic dns too
[16:26] <brainwash> hfp: bug 1742933
[16:26] <brainwash> "We have received reports from a few customers of higher system reboots after applying firmware updates. Specifically, these systems are running Intel Broadwell and Haswell CPUs for both client and data center."
[16:28] <qswz> systemctl has a shitload of commands
[16:29] <qswz> I did a systemctl reboot something and had a bad surprise :))
[16:29] <brainwash> hfp: yours is an Ivy Brigde CPU
[16:31] <brainwash> qswz: not sure what you are trying to say
[16:31] <brainwash> like, what happened?
[16:32] <hfp> brainwash: thanks. out of curiosity, when something like this happens, is the update pulled for user on these processors to avoid any issue?
[16:33] <qswz> that there are too many commands
[16:33] <qswz> for common sense
[16:33] <forgon> Anyone else finding github slow?
[16:34] <TJ-> hfp: The recommendation is to NOT install the 20180108 microcode package, but so far no decision made on removing the package
[16:34] <qswz> stop/halt/kill
[16:34] <qswz> are they alias?
[16:34] <qswz> poweroff
[16:34] <brainwash> qswz: the manual page can answer that question
[16:35] <brainwash> I recommend that you read through it
[16:35] <qswz> suspend
[16:35] <qswz> I'll rather need a dictionary at that point
[16:35] <qswz> nah jk ok
[16:35] <brainwash> maybe tell us what you are trying to accomplish in the first place
[16:37] <qswz> ok
[16:37] <qswz> I want to pass an env variable, just found how maybe
[16:38] <qswz> set-environment
[16:38] <qswz> I thought my local env vars would work
[16:38] <qswz> if I use set-env, will it be persisted for next boot? hope, will tell
[16:39] <akik> qswz: is set-env a systemd command?
[16:40] <qswz> yes
[16:40] <qswz> just too lazy to type it all, but the start of it
[16:40] <hfp> TJ-: ooops I just installed it because my CPU is older than the ones affected
[16:40] <akik> soon all configuration becomes systemd owned :P
[16:42] <TJ-> hfp: you should be OK then :)
[16:45] <StephenLynx> hey, my audio stops working if I close pavucontgrol
[16:45] <StephenLynx> any idea what might be?
[16:45] <StephenLynx> applications start out with sound and become mute after a few seconds if I don't have pavucontrol open.
[16:45] <StephenLynx> im using an offboard sound card.
[16:47] <jeremies> How to suspend xdmcp server?
[16:47] <onio1> Looking for an application that I can use to edit mp3 metadata I would to be able to set custom genre. Any suggestions?
[16:47] <kostkon> onio1, EasyTag is a good one
[16:48] <onio1> I tried it but it, but it did not seem to save custom genre
[16:48] <kostkon> StephenLynx, for starters, delete your ~/.config/pulse folder and logout
[16:48] <kostkon> onio1, custom theme? hmm
[16:48] <kostkon> genre sorry
[16:48] <onio1> kostkon: yep
[16:49] <ofek> I'm using iostat and I'm trying to test the -N option (Display the registered device mapper names for any device mapper devices. Useful for viewing LVM2 statistics.) how can I change sda to some_name?
[16:53] <ofek> I tried `ln -s /dev/sda /dev/mapper/some_name` but iostat still reports sda
[16:55] <goodafternoon> hi there
[16:56] <goodafternoon> I have no wifi from ifconfig but my chip is prompted with lspci
[16:56] <jeremies> What is the best vnc server?
[16:58] <StephenLynx> kostkon, no difference.
[16:58] <StephenLynx> deleted it, rebooted, same behavior.
[16:59] <StephenLynx> with pavucontrol closed audio stops after a few seconds.
[17:02] <ascheel> I have a Samba mount (Ubuntu guest, Synology host).  It's mounted through fstab, but I cannot modify anything in the share (or create, delete, etc) without sudo or root login.  What can I do differently to allow this to mount correctly?  https://superuser.com/questions/1285213/samba-mount-only-allows-modification-if-root
[17:06] <trekkie1701c> ascheel:  Make sure you have write permissions on the machine where it's being mounted at.
[17:07] <trekkie1701c> And BRB and stuffs, kernel update.
[17:08] <BillD73> goodafternoon: how are you attempting to start your wife command line? sudo infconfig wlan0 up replacing your wlan0 with what ever your wifi connection is named
[17:11] <TJ-> StephenLynx: does audio play *before* opening pavucontrol? I'm wondering if pulseaudio server isn't running until pavucontrol starts and is stopped when pavucontrol exits
[17:12] <guerero> hi peeps
[17:12] <guerero> wonder how i could use my LAN pcs to mine BTC , anyone ?
[17:15] <goodafternoon> BillD73 no my wifi is not prompted by ifconfig
[17:15] <TJ-> guerero: that's not really an Ubuntu support issue; ask folks involved in bitcoin mining
[17:15] <oerheks> !info cgminer
[17:16] <StephenLynx> TJ-, yes, it does play. but stops after a few seconds.
[17:16] <TJ-> StephenLynx: so it plays without pavucontrol... does it also stop even if pavucontrol is never run?
[17:16] <oerheks> tons of howto' s online, guerero
[17:16] <StephenLynx> yes.
[17:17] <TJ-> StephenLynx: so we can rule out pavucontrol and focus on why pulseaudio server is failing
[17:17] <StephenLynx> yes.
[17:17] <StephenLynx> i just find it relevant as to what is pavucontrol doing that is causing sound to not fail.
[17:17] <TJ-> StephenLynx: by default pulseaudio should be logging to /var/log/syslog; see if there are any clues there
[17:19] <StephenLynx> Jan 13 14:56:41 sergio pulseaudio[1570]: [pulseaudio] authkey.c: Failed to open cookie file '/home/sergio/.config/pulse/cookie': No such file or directory
[17:19] <StephenLynx> Jan 13 14:56:41 sergio pulseaudio[1570]: [pulseaudio] authkey.c: Failed to load authentication key '/home/sergio/.config/pulse/cookie': No such file or directory
[17:19] <BillD73> goodafternoon: assuming you have lspci to fin whether or not your chipset is supported?
[17:19] <StephenLynx> Jan 13 14:56:41 sergio pulseaudio[1675]: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[17:19] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I thought that might be it, was just typing "cookie" when you posted that
[17:20] <StephenLynx> the file does exist, though.
[17:20] <goodafternoon> BillD73 yes it's supported
[17:20] <StephenLynx> is owned by the current user with rw permissions.
[17:20] <TJ-> StephenLynx: check that the user 'sergio' is the owner of ls -l "$HOME/.config{,/pulse}/ "
[17:20] <StephenLynx> -rw-------  1 sergio sergio   256 Jan 13 14:56 cookie
[17:21] <BillD73> goodafternoon: is it currently conencted to a wired lan?
[17:21] <barnex> So my joypad is spamming Keypressed/keyreleased events in XEV, even though I'm holding the button and not pressing/releasing it, is that normal?
[17:21] <BillD73> goodafternoon: what is the chipset name
[17:21] <barnex> (Also spamming some characters in my terminal)
[17:21] <goodafternoon> BillD73 no I don't have any ethernet chip
[17:22] <StephenLynx> hm, your command is saying the file doesnt exist. are you sure it is correct?
[17:22] <goodafternoon> Intel wireless 8260
[17:22] <StephenLynx> sergio@sergio:~/.config/pulse$ ls -al ~/.config/pulse | grep cookie
[17:22] <StephenLynx> -rw-------  1 sergio sergio   256 Jan 13 14:56 cookie
[17:23] <newcomer> cd #csharp
[17:23] <newcomer> oops
[17:23] <TJ-> StephenLynx: do the .config/ and /.config/pulse/ directories both have the +x permission for traversing?
[17:24] <StephenLynx> drwx------ on both
[17:24] <TJ-> StephenLynx: have you done any customisation of the pulse/client.conf ?
[17:24] <StephenLynx> no
[17:25] <TJ-> StephenLynx: is it currently running ? "ps -efly | grep pulseaudio"
[17:25] <StephenLynx> aside from disabling the hdi audio card and onboard audio card using pavucontrol
[17:25] <StephenLynx> it is as it was created after deleting just now
[17:25] <barnex> also here's my dmesg magically making X-box 360 pad when I connect my non-xbox pad, leaving me with two joypads connected https://paste.ubuntu.com/26379393/
[17:25] <StephenLynx> S sergio    1570  1323  0  69 -11 11624 163879 poll_s 14:56 ?       00:00:07 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[17:26] <TJ-> StephenLynx: OK, let's kill it and run it in foreground, see if that behaves differently. "pulseaudio --kill" then "pulseaudio -vvvv --start"
[17:27] <barnex> I don't have xboxdrv nor xpad installed, so I have no idea where that xbox pad comes from
[17:27] <BillD73> goodafternoon: what is the ubuntu vers?
[17:27] <StephenLynx> ok, ran both commands.
[17:27] <TJ-> StephenLynx: actually, don't use "--start" !
[17:27] <StephenLynx> it says pa was started
[17:27] <StephenLynx> f
[17:28] <TJ-> StephenLynx: kill it again, and start it without "--start" - that makes it daemonized again which we don't want
[17:28] <StephenLynx> run -k again and let the game start it on demand?
[17:28] <StephenLynx> ok
[17:28] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I misread the man-page :)
[17:28] <StephenLynx> ok, audio for a few seconds, now mute.
[17:29] <TJ-> StephenLynx: any messages in the terminal?
[17:29] <StephenLynx> a shitload, you want everything or just something after a certain point?
[17:30] <StephenLynx> or just the latest few?
[17:30] <yyc> hi: please help me find a link, i am not sure how to form the question. Request: i have two HDs, each already with ubuntu and win10 installed. Request: would like to have dual boot of these two OS without reinstall. Thanks.
[17:31] <TJ-> StephenLynx: maybe we can capture them to pastebin? kill the process, then do "pulseaudio -vvvv |& tee /tmp/pa.log" ... reproduce the issue, then kill PA and do "pastebinit /tmp/pa.log"
[17:31] <StephenLynx> ill copy what it output after wow started
[17:31] <StephenLynx> https://pastebin.com/C4waLjRq
[17:32] <StephenLynx> if thats not enough ill grab everything
[17:32] <alkisg> yyc: put the ubuntu disk first, but with it, run `sudo update-grub`, and you'll get a menu for windows too
[17:32] <StephenLynx> > [pulseaudio] module-suspend-on-idle.c: Source alsa_input.pci-0000_04_07.0.analog-stereo idle for too long, suspending ...
[17:32] <StephenLynx> this is suspicious tbh
[17:32] <alkisg> *but => boot
[17:34] <goodafternoon> BillD73 16.04 LTS
[17:34] <yyc> alkisg: wow, that is way simipler than i thought. thanks. so put ubuntu disk on sata0, win10 on sata1, boot and run update-grub?
[17:34] <alkisg> yyc: exactly
[17:35] <yyc> hillarious. i was not prepared for that tidy fix. thanks
[17:35] <StephenLynx> btw,wow is running under wine using playonlinux, but ff and the linux port of psychonauts show the same issue.
[17:35] <yyc> will have a go
[17:35] <TJ-> StephenLynx: 'ff' being Firefox?
[17:35] <StephenLynx> yes
[17:36] <StephenLynx> also, my pa is not from any non-standard repository.
[17:36] <StephenLynx> its from the default ubuntu 16 repo
[17:36] <StephenLynx> just eliminating possibilities.
[17:36] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I think that message might be unrelated; it's suspend of the PCI *input*... messages before that refer to the PCI *output* being busy
[17:37] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I think the clue is the next message which seems to say the entire device is being suspended: "[alsa-source-CMI8738] alsa-source.c: Device suspended..."
[17:37] <StephenLynx> why though? audio resumes as soon as pavucontrol opens
[17:38] <TJ-> StephenLynx: previously there seem to be a lot rewinds due to underrun
[17:38] <TJ-> StephenLynx: is the audio device USB?
[17:38] <StephenLynx> pci
[17:39] <TJ-> StephenLynx: oh, of course, silly me! I was wondering if the power-profile was causing the device to go into a low power mode. Check 'dmseg' or /var/log/kern.log for any indications the PCI device is changing state
[17:40] <StephenLynx> what do I look for on kern.log?
[17:40] <StephenLynx> tbh, my power supply is 400 and nvidia recommends 600 for this vga
[17:40] <TJ-> StephenLynx: anything related to the CMI8738
[17:41] <StephenLynx> https://pastebin.com/BsCxHJie
[17:42] <StephenLynx> output of cat /var/log/kern.log | grep CMI8
[17:42] <TJ-> StephenLynx: it's possible this could be caused by something in the user profile, so as a test, create a new user, log-out of this one, log-in to the new user, and do the test again see if this is system-wide or just user-profile related
[17:43] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I wonder if "error: could not parse configuration for card C-Media CMI8738" is significat
[17:43] <chris3> buffer
[17:43] <StephenLynx> i dunno, that kind of error seems that would cause bigger issues.
[17:44] <joeno> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 for some time and have a tiny bug to report about the openjdk-8-jre behaviour. Where should this be reported to?
[17:44] <StephenLynx> anything else before I log out to see if the new user doesn't bug out?
[17:44] <alkisg> joeno: ubuntu-bug openjdk-8-jre
[17:45] <TJ-> StephenLynx: apt-file doesn't show any packaged /usr/share/alsa/ucm/ files related to CMEDIA so I think we can ignore that
[17:45] <TJ-> StephenLynx: no, go ahead
[17:45] <StephenLynx> brb
[17:45] <alkisg> joeno: this will guide you to file an appropriate bug report on launchpad
[17:45] <joeno> alkisg, thanks!
[17:45] <alkisg> np
[17:47] <StephenLynx> no cigar
[17:47] <StephenLynx> exactly same issue
[17:48] <StephenLynx> disable hdmi audio, disable onboard audio, audio plays if pavucontrol is open, mutes a few seconds after it is closed.
[17:50] <TJ-> StephenLynx: instead of disabling HDMI and Builtin devices, how about *moving* the stream to the CMEDIA device, see if the problem still happens
[17:50] <StephenLynx> hold on
[17:50] <TJ-> StephenLynx: it could be PA is incorrectly thinking when those are disabled (especially if one is the default device) that there's nothing to do and so suspends
[17:51] <BillD73> goodafternoon: do you have any available otpion to connect to wired with a USB adapter or a USB wifi stick? It would seem that you need to update the wifi firmware iwlwifi
[17:51] <StephenLynx> re-enabled them
[17:51] <StephenLynx> the issue persists.
[17:51] <StephenLynx> how do I set the stream to use a particular device?
[17:52] <TJ-> StephenLynx: in the list of playback streams there should be a button on the right side of the stream which shows the alternative devices
[17:52] <StephenLynx> not on pavucontrol
[17:52] <alkisg> BillD73: are you asking about internet (wifi) connection sharing via wired ethernet?
[17:53] <StephenLynx> https://i.imgur.com/bFYav8K.png
[17:54] <StephenLynx> all streams show nothing more than applications show.
[17:54] <BillD73> alkisg: no goodafternoon is having problems getting his 6260 intel wifi to load
[17:55] <BillD73> err 8260
[17:55] <BillD73> it has no available eth port
[17:56] <alkisg> BillD73: eth port? Isnt' that a wifi card, that would appear like wlanxxxx?
[17:58] <BillD73> alkisg: his laptop does not have and eth port, it has built in wifi using intel wireless 8260 but it is not being recognized  from what im reading its a common issue regarding a need to update iwlwifi firmware which will require some sort of connection without the use of KeryX which is not a default install for  ubuntu
[17:59] <BillD73> goodafternoon: your wifi worked fine from live?
[17:59] <goodafternoon> BillD73 yes
[18:00] <BillD73>  ok what does ifconfig -a output? does it list a device
[18:01] <goodafternoon> no it's the same, no wlan
[18:02] <BillD73> my wifi is called wlp2s0  obviously you should have lo as the local loopback
[18:02] <StephenLynx> any new idea, TJ- ?
[18:03] <goodafternoon> yes I have only lo
[18:06] <TJ-> StephenLynx: not so far, been trying to reproduce with an external USB CM106
[18:06] <stillunt1tled> >when nautilus works on xfce
[18:07] <BillD73> goodafternoon: what laptop is this?
[18:07] <marekw2143> hello, I have few partitions on disk
[18:08] <marekw2143> is it easy to install ubuntu  witch fs encryption on one of that partitions without data loss on others?
[18:12] <tomreyn> marekw2143: you can setup encrypted home directories without breaking your other OS. "full disk encryption" (for linux only then, but still on a multi-boot system with two / more OS on one disk) is also possible, but may not be straight forward to setup.
[18:12] <newcomer> Guest3337, hala mohamed. kefak?
[18:13] <tomreyn> and he's gone
[18:17] <TJ-> StephenLynx: for your reference, with pavucontrol, here's how the 'move' operation looks
[18:17] <TJ-> StephenLynx: http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/pulseaudio-stream-move-to-output.png
[18:18] <StephenLynx> that didnt show up to me
[18:19] <TJ-> StephenLynx: which suggests PA was not 'seeing' the output devices
[18:22] <bobbysworld> can anyone recommend me an article on how to work with apt on an offline computer?  I'm trying to set up a secret chemistry laboratory and I need to make sure that only people that have access to the radios inside of the chips in my motherboard can see what I am doing....
[18:24] <Stephen> laptop froze, did you say anything after pa not seeing the output devices?
[18:25] <TJ-> Stephen: no. Just wondering, does the sound work on the other devices without suspending?
[18:26] <Stephen> dont know, i dont have anything to plug on hdmi and onboard is busted
[18:26] <Stephen> hence the offboard one
[18:28] <bobbysworld> I need to keep my secret formula for converting gold into lead a secret...please help me!
[18:29] <tomreyn> bobbysworld: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:29] <bobbysworld> Yes, if I want to install a package but my computer is not connected to the internet, how can I do it?
[18:29] <compdoc> bobbysworld, I can keep it safe for you
[18:30] <TJ-> Stephen: so is the 'busted' onboard causing this maybe?
[18:30] <bobbysworld> (with dependencies and all)  Can anyone recommend an article on the subject?
[18:30] <bobbysworld> compdoc: give me your gold and I will show you
[18:30] <tomreyn> !info apt-offline | bobbysworld
[18:30] <compdoc> phffft
[18:31] <bobbysworld> tomreyn: thank you :)
[18:31] <Stephen> everything is possible, but why would pavucontrol prevent the issue by just being open, TJ-
[18:32] <TJ-> Stephen: I have no idea, but it would seem as if the PA daemon goes to sleep unless the client is connected
[18:33] <TJ-> Stephen: failed hardware is an obvious thing to follow up. Have you blacklisted the kernel module for the built-in device so ALSA/PA don't see it?
[18:34] <Stephen> no, how do i do that?
[18:34] <bobbysworld> tomreyn: in a few months I'll let you know how it goes and maybe send you some lead
[18:35] <bobbysworld> tomreyn: (from inside of a piece of a tree, not a cylinder of metal)
[18:36] <TJ-> Stephen: identify which module it uses then unload it. Try this to ID the module: "lspci -nnk -d ::0403" (0403 is the PCI audio class so should show just audio devices)
[18:36] <nagyg> hi all
[18:36] <kostkon> nagyg, hi
[18:38] <nagyg> can anyone help me with an usb headset problem? I plug it in (Ubuntu 17.10) and it says that device not accepting address, error -71
[18:38] <nagyg> I tried all USB ports
[18:38] <nagyg> (on laptop)
[18:39] <TJ-> Stephen: once you know the module, check if anything has it open with "lsmod | grep <modulename>" - the last column needs to contain 0 for it to be unloadable. If it isn't 0 then ensure pulseaudio isn't running and then check again, once it is 0, do "sudo modprobe -r <modulename>"
[18:39] <TJ-> Stephen: at that point re-test pulseaudio behaviour
[18:42] <Stephen> ok, ill look into that
[18:43] <Stephen> you think its possible to disable it at all on the bios, though?
[18:44] <ramsub07> Hi, I have installed Ubuntu a few days ago and i am not able to find my internal Hard drive in the mountable devices option, it's not connected by USB and is getting detected at BIOS while my system starts
[18:48] <Guest97370> Hi everyone - ever since the new year, I have been having a problem with Ubuntu.
[18:48] <Guest97370> Is this room ok to ask support questions?
[18:49] <BluesKaj> ramsub07, the file manager/nautilus should show the drive in the panel devices
[18:49] <Guest97370> Whenever I move my mouse over to the Unity bar on the left, the screen freezes, goes blank, then gives me a "Sorry, Ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error" message.
[18:49] <Guest97370> The error message is very long, and I can't copy and paste it.
[18:49] <Guest97370> What are the key fields I should look at to post the error to ask for help?
[18:49] <tomreyn> ramsub07: does "lsblk --scsi -o MODEL" list it?
[18:50] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: yes, i see two devices there
[18:51] <ramsub07> one i suppose is my SSD on which I have installed ubuntu
[18:51] <ramsub07> and the other should be my Hard drive
[18:51] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: can i check it's size before confirming ?
[18:51] <BluesKaj> ramsub07, run df -h inthe terminal
[18:52] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: that didn't show
[18:53] <BluesKaj> ramsub07, sudo fdisk -l
[18:56] <BluesKaj> or tomreyn's suggestion above
[18:56] <StephenLynx> TJ-, disabled the onboard audio entirely on bios, it doesn't show on available devices. do you think disabling the kernel module would make any difference/
[18:56] <tomreyn> ramsub07: lsblk --scsi -o NAME,SIZE,MODEL,SERIAL | sort
[18:56] <kostkon> ramsub07, more likely due to this regression: bug 1735594
[18:56] <kostkon> oops
[18:56] <ramsub07> tomreyn: i get the device, and i confirm it's the right one
[18:57] <kostkon> meant for Guest97370
[18:57] <IntelCore> Hi, Had the Kernel 108 not workin, got this update.  ClamAV ran, then back to grub.. then wait, and ubuntu ran.
[18:57] <kostkon> Guest97370, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735594
[18:57] <TJ-> StephenLynx: if the built-in device doesn't show up in lspci then the module won't get loaded
[18:58] <kostkon> Guest97370, a fix is on the way
[18:58] <tomreyn> ramsub07: run "sudo adduser $USER disk" and logout and login again
[18:58] <ramsub07> kostkon: how to mount it?
[18:58] <ramsub07> tomreyn: instead of disk there, i should give it's serial ?
[18:59] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: that command didn't show my device
[18:59] <tomreyn> ramsub07: no, you can just copy and paste it as i wrote it
[18:59] <IntelCore> caniocal on hp 15 i5.. is ubuntu kern 109 going to boot like this.. all time now?
[18:59] <StephenLynx> welp, this is getting hairy
[19:00] <BluesKaj> ramsub07, how do you know, paste the output in pastebin
[19:00] <tomreyn> ramsub07: which ubuntu release are you running by the way? this command will tell: "lsb_release -ds"
[19:00] <Term1nal> in an attempt to upgrade 14.04 to 16.04, I keep getting these errors about some regex stuff in perl that scrolls on the screen too fast, but it ended up not finishing.
[19:01] <Term1nal> I attempted to 'reboot' and it said I had to install reboot via apt-get O.O
[19:05] <IntelCore> Terminal, did you --re-install upstart ?
[19:06] <tomreyn> Term1nal: this sounds like your release upgrade was interrupted. this usually happens when you had (unsupported) third party packages installed. you can try to fix this with help from this channel, but it'll likely be a lengthy process. a faster approach may be to just (re)install 16.04.
[19:07] <BluesKaj> Term1nal, did you update and upgrade your existing packages in 14.04 before upgrading to 16.04 ?
[19:08] <IntelCore> 15 didn't have upstart in same place
[19:10] <MWM> I am having trouble with the amdgpu-pro driver.  after installl I could not log in at all.  CTL + ALT + F2 worked to remove it but now I am still confused about installation
[19:10] <Term1nal> I managed to get it to work with apt full-upgrade
[19:10] <StephenLynx> i had a really bad experience with amd drivers in general using centos and couldn t get it to work at all
[19:10] <Term1nal> (found on google somewhere)
[19:11] <Term1nal> I believe the main issue was something about failing regexes in some perl package
[19:11] <Term1nal> since that's the only error I saw
[19:12] <ramsub07> Jeez! I landed into a login loop
[19:12] <MWM> this isnt the only time ive had an issue with the amd driver, and normally I would just use the provided drivers, but the doctor ordered the AMD drivers this time :(
[19:12]  * mans82 
[19:12] <ramsub07> now whe I enter parted -l, i see Error: /dev/mapper/nvme0n1p3_crypt: unrecognised disk label
[19:13] <ramsub07> http://dpaste.com/2ECNAPY is the full traceback i get
[19:13] <ramsub07> and this is the device that I want to mount
[19:14] <IntelCore> MWM - ubuntu 16.? 17?
[19:14] <MWM> fresh install of vanilla ubuntu 16.04.3
[19:14] <tomreyn> ramsub07: The "Error: /dev/mapper/nvme0n1p3_crypt: unrecognised disk label" message is to be expected, parted has no concept for dmcrypt-LUKS encrypted partitions.
[19:14] <IntelCore> Yes is there on askubuntu.com
[19:15] <ramsub07> tomreyn: sorry about that, check my new message with the link to the paste
[19:15] <ramsub07> that's more accurate of my problem
[19:15] <tomreyn> ramsub07: the fact that the sda partiton table cannot be read, though (is there is any), is going to prevent you from mounting any file systems on it, however
[19:16] <tomreyn> * "(iF there is any)"
[19:17] <tomreyn> ramsub07: how was this disk used before?
[19:17] <ramsub07> tomreyn: just now setup my computer and OS
[19:18] <tomreyn> ramsub07: so disk sda (the 3 TB Seagate HDD) was never used before?
[19:18] <ramsub07> tomreyn: yep
[19:19] <tomreyn> ramsub07: i see. so if you want to make use of it you'll need to create a partition table and partition son it. you can use the gnome-disk utility for this purpose.
[19:20] <MWM> most of what I can find on google lists nearly the same procedure for install, but thats what already didnt work.  Not to mention that I am really not sure what went wrong in the first place.  The OS is supported, the GPU is supported.  Fresh install complete with updates.  WHat else is there?
[19:20] <tomreyn> ramsub07: be careful to pick the ciorrect device, though, this utility allows you to make changes to any disk, and you can loose data that way.
[19:21] <ramsub07> tomreyn: i open the device GUI and i could see my 3tb drive
[19:21] <ramsub07> it shows serial number
[19:22] <IntelCore> MWM - I see the amdgpu install problem on askubuntu.com, and it is saying that -- try install without a sudo command.
[19:22] <StephenLynx> TJ-, any possibility this is a bug on pa's package that ubuntu got?
[19:22] <ramsub07> i want to mount it to /media/ and want the mounting to happen durin the boot time as well?
[19:23] <tomreyn> ramsub07: i'm not sure what the "device GUI" is. which desktop are you running? default ubuntu (unity or gnome)? which ubuntu release (lsb_release -sd)?
[19:23] <ramsub07> I'm running 16/04
[19:23] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I've never seen nor heard of it, and could not find any bug reports similar
[19:23] <MWM> IntelCore:  I dont think I used sudo but I very well could have.  Ill give it a shot .  If you dont see me in here again then you will know it worked :D
[19:24] <StephenLynx> few people use pci sound cards
[19:24] <ramsub07> and it's the 'disks' app that i see on the search bar
[19:24] <StephenLynx> and theres always the first report
[19:24] <ramsub07> tomreyn: should i create a new partition image to the destination that I want it to be mounted ?
[19:24] <StephenLynx> this is a fresh install, only major thing is nvidia driver
[19:25] <StephenLynx> on board audio is disabled
[19:25] <StephenLynx> I didn't customize anything
[19:25] <BluesKaj> ramsub07, sudo blkid and use the uuid entry in /etc/fstab without the quotes
[19:25] <StephenLynx> and behavior changes consistently based on software state.
[19:25] <tomreyn> ramsub07: you should 'format disk'
[19:27] <StephenLynx> either we need someone with more knowledge on the subject, or we ran out of possibilities.
[19:27] <tomreyn> ramsub07: once you've created a partition table (choose GUID/GPT) and created a partiton and a file system on it, here's how you can have that auto-mounted: https://askubuntu.com/questions/783061/automount-in-16-04
[19:28] <tomreyn> ramsub07: other options are discussed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[19:28] <ramsub07> tomreyn: i've formatted and mounted
[19:28] <IntelCore> MWM -- if you use the system admin, and software updater, then get a panel that shows 'settings' a tab for drivers is there.. that goes to fetch your drivers
[19:29] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I'd be reading the dmesg boot log line-by-line looking for clues
[19:30] <IntelCore> Sp kernel 109 is the one... It changed the way my pc boots.. just wondered if this was the case now?
[19:30] <sebsebseb> right I really don't know what is wrong, tried lots of things, and still Ubuntu won't boot up past Grub,  get black screen instead. starting wonder if I got some werid new motherboard issue, since my motherobard got replaced in lap top
[19:31] <IntelCore> MWM -- system admin, and software updater, then get a panel that shows 'settings' a tab for drivers is there.. that goes to fetch your drivers
[19:31] <Stephen> https://pastebin.com/Z2rLqH3T
[19:32] <Bashing-om> sebsebseb: I have just joined. Is this nvidia graphic's driver ?
[19:32] <StephenLynx> is that it TJ- ?
[19:32] <kostkon> IntelCore, what kind of change you mean
[19:33] <IntelCore> Wull Kernel 109 showed my power state, acpi, then my clamAV ran... then it went back to grub once, and then ubuntu loaded
[19:34] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: no it's intel
[19:34] <MWM> Im getting a message about microcode for AMD CPU's but nothing about drivers.
[19:34] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: intel graphics, and no added nvidia in here
[19:34] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: it's happenign with all the recent usb's i made and testd, iso's I put on usb etc, it's even happenign with old ones
[19:34] <sebsebseb> werid
[19:34] <ramsub07> tomreyn: i see now on /media/data/ehD
[19:35] <ramsub07> tomreyn: when i do df -h <path>i see all the available memory
[19:35] <ramsub07> is this fine or should i make it mountable at the startup as well?
[19:35] <kostkon> IntelCore, have you booted only once since you installed kernel 4.4.109
[19:35] <IntelCore> yep
[19:36] <kostkon> IntelCore, well it might be different next time
[19:36] <IntelCore> er, i think I just did a software update check, from about my computer
[19:36] <tomreyn> ramsub07: that's entirely up to you.
[19:36] <Bashing-om> sebsebseb: A victum of the recent bios vulnerabilities ? Is the system fully updated with the new kernel ?
[19:36] <ramsub07> tomreyn:  i want to be mounted at startup, what should i do?
[19:37] <kostkon> IntelCore, it might take a few ms more for the new kernel to rebuild the dkms modules that you may have in use for example
[19:37] <IntelCore> Yes.. it could be back to normal next time..It's clamAV I need to know more about, as well.
[19:38] <tomreyn> ramsub07: again, that's discussed here https://askubuntu.com/questions/783061/automount-in-16-04 and here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[19:38] <IntelCore> Any other bumps, will check back ya later - Thanks
[19:40] <TJ-> StephenLynx: reading the dmesg and checking the motherboard user manual, I'm wondering if you've got PCI port IRQ sharing conflicts
[19:40] <StephenLynx> did you get what I pasted with the other nick?
[19:40] <StephenLynx> im nowhere familiar enough with hardware to make anything out of that.
[19:40] <StephenLynx> or kernels
[19:41] <kostkon> StephenLynx, this? https://pastebin.com/Z2rLqH3T
[19:41] <StephenLynx> yes
[19:41] <TJ-> StephenLynx: in what was is the built-in audio device broken? is it the audio connectors or the chipset itself faulty?
[19:41] <StephenLynx> audio wouldn't come out.
[19:42] <StephenLynx> its been like that for years and years.
[19:42] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: I am in ##linux to, where they trying to help as well, but  I had the hp partner company replace the motherboard since issues with it, over heating before, and now I get this stuff instead
[19:42] <StephenLynx> over 4 or 5 years.
[19:42] <StephenLynx> then the off board I got died too and I got a new offboard, which is the one in use.
[19:42] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: I can't boot past grub / memtest if on a ISO, get a black screen instead when trying to load up a kernel, that's versions of Ubuntu, minte mate even, and Magiea even, everything, including old usb's I made before ages ago etc
[19:42] <kostkon> StephenLynx, an external one? usb?
[19:42] <TJ-> StephenLynx: did the add-in PCI CMEDIA sound work correctly at one point and then developed this problem, or has it always been a problem
[19:43] <StephenLynx> kostkon, pci
[19:43] <TJ-> kostkon: internal CMEDIA PCI
[19:43] <kostkon> ok
[19:43] <StephenLynx> what is that? is just the onboard audio?
[19:43] <StephenLynx> it used to work.
[19:43] <StephenLynx> if I remember correctly
[19:43] <darton> hy all
[19:43] <darton> is there enyone from hungary?
[19:43] <kostkon> that caught my attention: "Handle vga_switcheroo audio client"  hmdi in the mix too?
[19:43] <StephenLynx> I got the first off-board to just get a better quality, then it stopped working.
[19:44] <TJ-> StephenLynx: it just seems strange that both the built-in and a PCI sound device both have problems of one sort of another
[19:44] <StephenLynx> kostkon, my graphic card has hdi
[19:44] <StephenLynx> hdmi
[19:44] <StephenLynx> and so the mobo
[19:44] <StephenLynx> but I never used it.
[19:44] <TJ-> StephenLynx: your point about the PSU being 400W but the GPU recommending 600W might be relevant
[19:44] <StephenLynx> ikr
[19:44] <StephenLynx> but why would pulseaudio prevent the issue in that case?
[19:44] <StephenLynx> some energy conservation thing?
[19:45] <StephenLynx> I mean
[19:45] <StephenLynx> pavucontrol*
[19:45] <TJ-> StephenLynx: power-saving could be it; it's a very strange symptom!
[19:45] <StephenLynx> and for some reason pavucontrol being opened would prevent the energy conservation feature to kick in?
[19:45] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I can only shrug :D
[19:45] <StephenLynx> ikr
[19:45] <StephenLynx> its really odd
[19:46] <TJ-> StephenLynx: there aren't any clues in the kernel log, I went through it lone by line
[19:46] <StephenLynx> let me try removing the graphic cards
[19:46] <StephenLynx> card*
[19:46] <kostkon> StephenLynx, are you running a latest nvidia card off a 400w psu? what's the model
[19:47] <StephenLynx> 970
[19:47] <TJ-> StephenLynx: besides the PCI CMEDIA card, are there any other PCI devices in there? Also, have you tried moving the CMEDIA card to one of the other 2 PCI slots?
[19:47] <StephenLynx> no other cards besides the graphic and audio
[19:48] <TJ-> StephenLynx: with PCI, moving slots can often have unexpected affects; I've solved many weird issues by juggling cards and PCI slots
[19:48] <StephenLynx> ive moved from the old slot right after installing ubuntu on it this week
[19:48] <TJ-> StephenLynx: reason being sometimes several slots might share the same PCI INT (interrupt) line, whereas other slots won't
[19:48] <TJ-> StephenLynx: worth moving it again as a test do you think?
[19:49] <StephenLynx> will do
[19:49] <darton> if i intsall play on linux why i do not see the program window just if i make alt tab combinatiton and then only by this and if i want to see the program i cant?
[19:49] <TJ-> StephenLynx: from the mobo manual: "When using PCI cards on shared slots, ensure that the drivers support “Share IRQ”"
[19:50] <skinux> How do we enable rewrite for Apache in Xenial?
[19:50] <TJ-> StephenLynx: additionally.. in BIOS settings, Chipset, see if "C1E Support" is enabled and if so, disable it
[19:51] <TJ-> skinux: "sudo a2enmod rewrite"
[19:52] <TJ-> StephenLynx: and under "PCIPnP" ensure "Plug And Play O/S" is yes
[19:53] <TJ-> StephenLynx: on the Power menu, ensure ACPI 2.0 is enabled and ACPI APIC Support is enabled
[19:55] <StephenLynx> i cant find c1e support on chiptset settings
[19:56] <StephenLynx> advanced >chipset only have northbridge configuration and internal graphics
[19:56] <StephenLynx> nortbridge configuration have dram controller configuration, ecc configuration and
[19:57] <StephenLynx> pciex16x something
[19:57] <StephenLynx> plug and play was no, setting to yes
[19:58] <StephenLynx> acpi 2.0 support is enabled, so as acpi apic
[19:58] <kostkon> StephenLynx, that's what pci was build for among other things, plug and pray
[19:58] <TJ-> StephenLynx: sorry, it's Advanced > CPU
[19:59] <StephenLynx> found it and disabled
[19:59] <StephenLynx> rebooting
[19:59] <StephenLynx> didnt fiddle with the cards
[19:59] <StephenLynx> decided to try bios settings before
[19:59] <TJ-> StephenLynx: C1E is known to cause issues because it halts the CPU when it's idle
[20:00] <TJ-> StephenLynx: sorry, when the CPU gets a halt instruction it drops to a very low power mode
[20:00] <StephenLynx> nope
[20:00] <StephenLynx> still muting after a few seconds
[20:01] <TJ-> OK, card move time :)
[20:01] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I don't suppose you have a more powerful PSU you could test?
[20:01] <StephenLynx> nope
[20:01] <StephenLynx> i just bought this used video card on the cheap
[20:02] <StephenLynx> and tacked on this old computer gathering dust
[20:02] <TJ-> StephenLynx: maybe just remove the nvidia and use built-in video then, it would have the same effect of reducing power draw to something the PSU should be able to sustain
[20:03] <TJ-> If none of these ideas help I'm not sure what else to suggest, we're not seeing any clues in the syslog nor from pulseaudio
[20:03] <StephenLynx> im afraid i wont be able to do so, onboard video dont want to work
[20:03] <StephenLynx> hm
[20:03] <BillD73> StephenLynx: havent been following closely, but have you disabled onboard video in the bios regardless of whether it works or not?
[20:03] <StephenLynx> maybe it will when I remove the vga
[20:03] <StephenLynx> i did not
[20:03] <TJ-> StephenLynx: hmmm, audio won't work, video won't work? I'm beginning to think the mobo itself is faulty
[20:04] <StephenLynx> i remember it working when I forgot to plug the power on the vga
[20:05] <TJ-> StephenLynx: internal GPU is Integrated ATI RadeonTM HD 4250 GPU
[20:06] <StephenLynx> ok, its working with the vga power unplugged
[20:07] <StephenLynx> this is weird, now i can change the device being used
[20:07] <StephenLynx> onboard is back
[20:08] <StephenLynx> did the mobo lost its setting?
[20:08] <StephenLynx> it paskered me about bios shit on boot
[20:08] <StephenLynx> regardless, issue persist with unpowered vga
[20:10] <StephenLynx> god damned, it reverted settings
[20:14] <BluesKaj> StephenLynx, in bios peripherals choose the pci gpu instead of the onboard
[20:16] <Henster> hi guys,please help me i need to create more space https://paste.ofcode.org/39HV5gEpKrAHFZCBD9JW47y my system OS is on my sda1 drive , i tried deleting some files on my home directory but still get this - bash: cannot annot ment: No space left ocreate temp file for here-docun device
[20:17] <Bashing-om> Henster: Pastebin the results of terminal commands: ' df -h ; df -i ' see what we have to work .
[20:18] <sebsebseb> Henster: looks ike your trying to delete tempory files and stuff, like Windows, but this is Linux so uhmm,  make sure your partion is big enough. your /
[20:18] <Henster> total 72
[20:18] <Henster> drwxr-xr-x  12 henster henster 4096 Jan 13 19:34 .
[20:18] <Henster> drwxr-xr-x   3 root    root    4096 Jan  5 16:42 ..
[20:18] <Henster> -rw-rw-r--   1 henster henster    0 Jan 13 18:41 badsectors.txt
[20:18] <Henster> -rw-------   1 henster henster 8192 Jan 13 19:39 .bash_history
[20:18] <Henster> -rw-r--r--   1 henster henster  220 Jan  5 16:42 .bash_logout
[20:19] <Bashing-om> !paste | Henster
[20:19] <BluesKaj> Henster, run sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean
[20:19] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj:  hmm so ##linux wasn't much good for my issue it seems
[20:19] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: it's really strange
[20:20] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I had the motherboard and hard disk repalced in a hp lap top, and now I can't boot up Live usb's prpoerl of ubuntu or mint icinnmaon mageia 6 even.   goes black wehn trying to boot up a kernel
[20:20] <sebsebseb> yes it's uefi
[20:20] <sebsebseb> system
[20:20] <Bashing-om> !ktpi | sebsebseb Are you affected by the bios corruption ?
[20:20] <Henster> ok i have run this run sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean , and
[20:20] <Henster> /dev/sda1       913G  898G     0 100% /  still full
[20:20] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: no not the news stuff, this is a hp
[20:21] <akik> Henster: you have a lot of your own files on that partition
[20:21] <Bashing-om> !kpti | sebsebseb Are you affected by the bios corruption ?
[20:21] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: I have tried a few versions of ubuntu, mint, and mageia 6. also this lap top used to run Ubuntu and Mageia ok before the hard disk and motherboard got replaced, once i had disabled the secure boot and that
[20:21] <akik> Henster: or either a log file that grows uncontrollably
[20:21] <sebsebseb> I can't load up the live usb properly
[20:21] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: I don't think this is melt down
[20:22] <Henster> yes i do .. i acendelty copyied stuff to this sda1 but deleted some to clear up space ..
[20:23] <pikapika> Hi
[20:24] <akik> Henster: you can see the disk usage with "sudo du -sk /* | sort -n" and then dig deeper where you see the usage
[20:24] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, how did you creat the usb image ?
[20:25] <pikapika> Is there any method to open files and folders like in thunar within the whisker menu? That is, I type a partial path, the menu displays possible files and folders..., until I type a complete path to a file in which case pressing enter would open the file. Or anything similar to this.
[20:25] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I have treid v arious ways at making usb's,  etecher, refus,  uhmm some  uh what was that latet one uhmm win32diskmanager
[20:25] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: plus as I mentioend earlier it's my old usb's too
[20:25] <sebsebseb> eveything I have treid  to boot up has resulted in same issue
[20:26] <Ezriilc> Greets, ya'all.
[20:27] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, rufus in windows is your best bet
[20:27] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I have done everyhging iwth that
[20:27] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: mbr and uefi,   gpt only etc etc, like every option in that, and still the same problems
[20:27] <BluesKaj> seb unless you have another linux computer that you cna use dd to copy the image
[20:28] <Ezriilc> Does anyone know of specific issues running KODI 17 on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[20:28] <TJ-> sebsebseb: GRUB starts and you can get to it's menu?
[20:28] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: that's what htat win32 manager thing does, basically a dd or whatever
[20:28] <BluesKaj> whatevewr doesn't cut it . has to be dd
[20:28] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes grub starts and I get it's menu on the live usb, but then when I do try ubuntu, or install ubuntu or anything like that, black screen instead
[20:29] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: the othe program does the whole image etc, i was recomended in ##linux earlier, i don't think it's to do with how i have or haven't burnt a usb
[20:29] <sebsebseb> this is happenign with my old usb's as well
[20:29] <TJ-> sebsebseb: have you edited the kernel command line, removed any "quiet splash" and added "debug" ?
[20:29] <sebsebseb> and  a mint mate perssitent usb even that I was given, but that one evenv has memtest on it, and on that one that loads up as well
[20:29] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I'm wondering if we can get it to spew some useful info
[20:29] <BillD73> Ezriilc: i dont ahve an issue.. Currently running krypton on my 16.04 lts towe in my living room. feeding all my Pi's via wifi and NTFS
[20:29] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes I treid to put kernel paramaters in those, but issues still
[20:29] <Ezriilc> KODI seems to lock up the whole machine.
[20:29] <TJ-> sebsebseb: also, in firmware settings is "USB Legacy" support enabled?
[20:30] <Ezriilc> BillD73, nice setup.
[20:30] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I have even disabled secure boot only, treidl egacy booto ny for the mint one, and issues still
[20:30] <TJ-> sebsebseb: does the kernel start loading and you see messages and then it panics, or you see nothing from the kernel?
[20:30] <sebsebseb> legacy
[20:30] <JTech> is encryption dangerous? I'm getting a little worried at the thought of encrypting a whole system and then something going wrong and losing everything.
[20:30] <BillD73> Ezriilc: I like it. Had it done on winders, sucd
[20:30] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I see nothing at all just black screen
[20:30] <Ezriilc> The machine locks so tight that no input has any effect.
[20:30] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Do you have a 2nd PC?
[20:31] <sebsebseb> TJ-: not one that works here right now,  except for my gpd win  I guess really or gpd pocket, but those are mini pc's so a bit differnet, but the win can take normal Linux distros, put on there berfore
[20:31] <JTech> I already did it once when an old Windows XP installation decided it wanted to check for updates despite being fine for years, and then since I couldn't log into Windows I couldn't access an encrypted folder.
[20:31] <BillD73> Ezriilc: so you cannot even ssh in?
[20:31] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I'm wondering if it purely a video issue, and if you waited long enough you could explore the network with nmap to see if you can detect it
[20:31] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I was going to try booting up a usb there, but  not sure where cable is quite for power, i think would probably load up there
[20:31] <Ezriilc> Well, I haven't tried that... hmmm...
[20:32] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  not sure about video, I mean it's just a intel graphics card in here nothing that fancy, and before my mother board and hard disk got replaced, I had linux on here as well
[20:32] <Ezriilc> But pressing the power button does nothing, gotta hold for a hard shutdown.
[20:33] <TJ-> sebsebseb: right, but it's a very different thing between the kernel not starting, or it just not displaying anything but running fine :)
[20:33] <BillD73> i'd tray that after it "locks" and then try an kill kodi and see if it will resume. I would say remove kodi, clear the .kodi/ from your user dir and try a fresh install
[20:33] <sebsebseb> TJ-: Windows works !
[20:33] <TJ-> sebsebseb: is it a dual-boot ?
[20:33] <Ezriilc> Yea, I've actually completely reformatted and made sure of a clean install of KODI 17.
[20:34] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  it used to dual or even multi boot,  windows 8.1 upgraded to 10, and ubuntu and mageia, and yeah,   before a new mother board and hard disk got put in, I already done the windows rubbbish,  upgrading back to  10 from 8.1 adn all tat,  I thought I was ont he Linux stage but then got into these issues uh
[20:35] <sebsebseb> TJ-: putting Linux on is meant to be the fun thing, after all the Windows hassle with updates and re boots and uh, but not this time it seems ah !
[20:35] <TJ-> sebsebseb: so right now the HDD has Windows on, but no Linux, and the Linux LiveISOs on USB can't get past the kernel starting, apparently?
[20:35] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes exactly, and the hard disk should be good to go otherwise, since already Linux windows re size itself too
[20:35] <sebsebseb> alerady let windows resize itself
[20:36] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  when I try and get it to boot up say try ubuntu, or install ubuntu from the grub on the live cd,  the screen just goes black and that's that
[20:36] <BillD73> Ezriilc: so I assume the ubuntu install works without flaw? fully updated etc.
[20:36] <MWM> Well I got amdgpu-pro installed and can log in now.... but ive got another error
[20:36] <Ezriilc> Yes, it seems fine.
[20:37] <TJ-> sebsebseb: this may sounds daft but... maybe in Windows, use a VM to install Linux, and configure the VM to use the host disk? It's possible with Linux hypervisors like QEMU/LVM but not sure about those on Windows. Not sure if VirtualBox supports that, but I've used the VM install method when systems had no DVD and broken USB
[20:37] <MWM> amdgpu_device_initialize: DRM version is 2.50.0 but this driver is only compatible with 3.x.x. Please tell me someone knows how to fix this off the top of their heads? :D
[20:37] <Ezriilc> It's an old 2007 HP machine with an Intel Core Duo.
[20:37] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I think  I read some were before, that something ike that may be possible actsaully, but that seems uh in itself to even try and try
[20:38] <sebsebseb> TJ-: altough I am meant to have some kind of hardware virtulisation too, that can be disabled
[20:38] <sebsebseb> in the uefi bios
[20:38] <sebsebseb> enab led not disable above
[20:38] <BillD73> Ezriilc: memory? large enough swap?
[20:39] <Ezriilc> 4GB, idk about the swap.  I did everything as default.
[20:42] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Let's assume there's a problem with the firmware reading the USB device. So, it boots in UEFI mode, loads the GRUB UEFI module, which draws the menu, uses UEFI services to read the linux and initrd.img files into memory and execute them and ... nothing. So you try using Legacy CSM mode, UEFI-BIOS reads sector 0 of the USB device (which'll be isolinux not GRUB), which reads it's menu.c32 and other
[20:42] <TJ-> files and shows the menu, then tries to read the linux and initrd.img files and ... nothing.
[20:42] <TJ-> sebsebseb: This suggests the mobo firmware is broken in some way
[20:43] <TJ-> sebsebseb: is the mobo using the latest available firmware version?
[20:43] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  that's waht I am wondering if the firmwiere is borken osme how
[20:43] <JTech> do I need to set the boot order in my BIOS before I setup GRUB2 to boot an ISO? ... wait, I changed the order and I was still able to boot into the installed Debian OS... how did GRUB know?
[20:43] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I am not sure if it's the latest I mean I treid to find that out earlier even
[20:43] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  looks like it's quite recent though
[20:43] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I assume you've done factory/default resets of the firmware config?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  but then again the lap top is only about two years old, bought it in 2015
[20:44] <TJ-> sebsebseb: what's the exact make/model printed on it's label?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> TJ-: the restore the bios to hp default setings option, it seems was disababled, so coudn't do that
[20:44] <TJ-> sebsebseb: that sounds broken already
[20:44] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes hold on can get that info from windows
[20:45] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yeah well it's annoying! I sent it off to get fixed, and paid for that even,a nd now all this uh !
[20:45] <sebsebseb> TJ-: you want a name, model and serial number or what?
[20:45] <TJ-> sebsebseb: everything there is :)
[20:46] <TJ-> sebsebseb: not serial # though
[20:46] <sebsebseb> TJ-:   what I am wondering is if the Hp partner company, actsauly put in a replacement motherboard, that has faulty firmwire or something uh
[20:46] <TJ-> sebsebseb: just so I can track down the exact model and check firmware plus known bugs
[20:46] <JTech> do I need the HD with GRUB2 on it to boot 1st if I'm using it to install an OS onto another HD, or is it ok to have it boot last, checking the currently blank drives that will later have OSes on them?
[20:46] <sebsebseb> TJ-: and yes even when I put it into legacy mode in the uefi bios,  it still loaded up that mint cinnnamon one for example or the mageia or whatever in efi mode grub werid
[20:47] <sebsebseb> TJ-: ok so a name and ?
[20:47] <TJ-> sebsebseb: what went wrong with the original? was it dead as in no power? they might not have replaced it and done an incomplete repair; certainly what you've described makes me think the mobo/firmware is broken
[20:47] <BillD73> Ezriilc: honestly man, you might try the Kodi page and see if someone can help ya with it, I had 0 issues getting it up and going. I also have a purpose built tower attached to my 60" tv using hdmi etc..
[20:47] <TJ-> sebsebseb: model number ... they usually have lots of numbers and letters that mean something
[20:47] <Ezriilc> BillD73, can I PM you?  It's busy here.
[20:47] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes  it over heated, woudn't power on eventually, so  they were meant to replace the mother board, and put in a new hared disk to since my old one was out already
[20:48] <Ezriilc> Does SSH need to be enabled in a default 10.40 LTS install?
[20:48] <BillD73> Ezriilc: sure i don't mind since you asked lol
[20:48] <sebsebseb> TJ-: someone i knew from lug tested my old motherobard it would get power in odd places, but not come on
[20:48] <JTech> I tried to search for a GRUB specific IRC channel but didn't see one.
[20:49] <sebsebseb> TJ-: they probably only really tesed with windows, ok it loads, fixed !
[20:50] <TJ-> sebsebseb: fixed?
[20:51] <sebsebseb> TJ-: no it's not fixesd
[20:51] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I meant hp partner company doing a quick job, then being like well windows loads, ok fixed, send back
[20:51] <TJ-> sebsebseb: oh! I see what you did there :D
[20:51] <Hooded> Oh boi
[20:51] <Hooded> why u left
[20:52] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I thought my reputation for kicking hell out of misbehaving systems had frightened it inot submission :p
[20:52] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  HP Pavillion x360 convertiable pc  and it's a touch screen one yeah
[20:52] <BillD73> sebsebseb: i havent been following. But I had a board replaced  for my toshiba, when I couldnt boot i found it to be sata support was enabled in bios... drive was not sata
[20:52] <sebsebseb> TJ-: and you want what the model number ?
[20:52] <sebsebseb> BillD73:  hmm maybe not sure
[20:53] <BillD73> sebsebseb: not to interupt or nothing, jsut a thought
[20:53] <TJ-> sebsebseb: yes, so I can ID the exact specification
[20:53] <sebsebseb> BillD73:  but  yes  they replaced motherobard in hp, and  put in a new hard disk ,done all the windows rubbish, upgrading back from 8.1 to 10 and all that
[20:53] <Fly727s> Hello, World!
[20:53] <sebsebseb> BillD73: thought I was on the fun putting Linux on stage, but got into issues instead !
[20:54] <BillD73> sebsebseb: yes but windows bootloader is not grub.
[20:54] <sebsebseb> BillD73: maybe some setting is enabled that shoudn't be, but it's quite basic this uefi bios in here, and other things seemed to look ok
[20:54] <TJ-> sebsebseb: seems like there's 11.6", 14" and 15.6"
[20:54] <Hooded> Lul
[20:54] <sebsebseb> BillD73: it will load up grub from my usb flash sticks, but not go  past that,  try and load up ubuntu, and it goes black screen, or install
[20:54] <TJ-> BillD73: it is failing to boot Linux from a USB device of any kind, but does start GRUB
[20:54] <sebsebseb> BillD73: siilar stuff for other distros
[20:54] <sebsebseb> TJ-: it's the 14 inch
[20:54] <TJ-> seb OK, let me dig some more
[20:55] <JTech> if lsblk shows my current drive as sdc, taht means I should write my GRUB2 script to point to the ISO at /boot/grml/[xubuntu].iso at (hd3,1) ? (hd3,1) = sdc / ?
[20:56] <JTech> WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN?
[20:56] <JTech> please don't say that
[20:56] <TJ-> sebsebseb: which seems would be "HP Pavilion 11-n000 x360 thru 11-n099 x 360 (Intel)" ? presumably you need to check the 11-n000 against your unit serial #
[20:57] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  no that looks wrong
[20:57] <frostschutz> JTech, the drive letters are random. it might work, but if you want it to be reliable, use UUID
[20:57] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I'm almost at the end of this page: https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04396211
[20:57] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  and I can give you a model or serial number
[20:57] <JTech> frostschutz, how do I do that?
[20:57] <sebsebseb> TJ-: serial number or product number
[20:58] <sebsebseb> BillD73: so on yours why was other setting on you reckon ?
[20:58] <frostschutz> JTech, or if it's the same drive grub itself is installed to, hd0 should be fine
[20:58] <TJ-> sebsebseb: HP has confused me, I can't tell how they figure out the model numbers!
[20:58] <JTech> frostschutz, oh no, really? ok.
[20:59] <MWM> amdgpu_device_initialize: DRM version is 2.50.0 but this driver is only compatible with 3.x.x. <-- anybody?
[20:59]  * sebsebseb will not buy HP ever again unless really got to, and bugger Dell, Lonovo, Acer, Asus, and all the rest of them too,  I mean anyone that ships with UEFI by default, and Windows :d  and doesn't even care about Linux, I think it's Linux specific from now on unless with valid exceptions
[20:59] <TJ-> sebsebseb: looks like this page is closer: can you ID your model? https://support.hp.com/us-en/products/laptops/x2-x360-hybrids/
[20:59] <BillD73> sebsebseb: I'm guessing do to sata drives becoming a thing... I was still using some old ide 2.5" drives at the time. bios couldnt read the drive properly. heck maybe your usb option is for 3.0 and your using and old drive
[20:59] <JTech> so even though I set the blank SSD and HDD to boot first, which I'm going to install a new OS onto, GRUB2 will find the ISO by hd0 relative to itself?
[21:00] <sebsebseb> unforutnatlly proper pre installed Linux lap tops by default, usaully cost more too, and lack touch screens as well for example
[21:00] <BillD73> sebsebseb:  though i would assume backwards compatibility there..
[21:01] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I've got an Asus T300CHI touch convertible tablet/notebook; I've been quite pleased with it
[21:01] <sebsebseb> TJ-: the product number is: MOR72EA#ABU  or accoding to this hp  program anyway
[21:02] <sebsebseb> TJ-: right but asus don't re install linux, i was happy enough with this hp when it uhmm wasn't over heating, or refusing to poewr on, or or uhmm well these recent issues
[21:02] <TJ-> sebsebseb: that model # comes up with "HP Pavilion Notebook - 15-ab254sa"
[21:03] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yeah it might be 15 inch actsaully
[21:03] <sebsebseb> hmm
[21:03] <streaky> i'm finding the discussion a tad hard to follow but you know there's a pavilion x360 recall right? they released a bios update to murder battery charging on them because they catch fire
[21:03] <TJ-> sebsebseb: doesn't look like a convertible from the user manual illustrations!
[21:03] <sebsebseb> streaky: a re call oh ?
[21:03] <streaky> https://batteryprogram687.ext.hp.com/en-US/
[21:03] <JTech> if running update-grub doesn't show that it found my ISO, does that mean I did it wrong?
[21:04] <sebsebseb> TJ-: well can move the screen around onto the keyboad, and make it go in a sort of tablet mode
[21:04] <TJ-> sebsebseb: folds back you mean?
[21:05] <JTech> well I tried both (hd0,1) and (hd3,1) and still no change.
[21:05] <sebsebseb> streaky: ok thats interesting
[21:05] <sebsebseb> streaky:  loooks like my lap top is one of the effected ones then ?
[21:05] <streaky> possibly
[21:05] <sebsebseb> streaky: I did mention how it over heated and that at the beginnign dind't i or uhmm
[21:05] <JTech> oh wait. I bet it's because setting up a menuentry failed. because Debian doesn't have grml-rescueboot.
[21:05] <sebsebseb> streaky: yeah this one acgtsaully over heated a lot at the begining, when it was new as well !
[21:06] <sebsebseb> streaky: I contacted them about that but uselsss, I told them about that when I sent it off for repair
[21:06] <sebsebseb> streaky: still had to pay
[21:06] <streaky> weird
[21:06] <sebsebseb> streaky: since out of warranty
[21:06] <JTech> wait ... isn't editing the /etc/grub.d/40_custom file an ALTERNATIVE to creating a menuentry with grml-rescueboot??
[21:07] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I think I finally found it: https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Pavilion-15-bk000-x360-Convertible-PC/10862175
[21:08] <TJ-> sebsebseb: apparently there's a known issue, you should read it (affects Windows with a blank screen too!) https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-pavilion-15-bk000-x360-convertible-pc/10862175/document/c03518165
[21:09] <sebsebseb> streaky: ok I had no dea aabout that, so interesting
[21:09] <sebsebseb> streaky: and there's a little program I can downloado n your link to see if I got a bad battery or not
[21:09] <TJ-> sebsebseb: also, "... he notebook screen display might remain black when there is a corrupted graphics driver or a problem with the LCD display back light. To test the display, attach an external monitor and restart the computer .."
[21:09] <JTech> it's strange. my grub device.map shows the drives listed differently than Debian's lsblk results. I wonder what I'm supposed to do...
[21:10] <JTech> I wonder if it's ok to just try randomly
[21:10] <TJ-> sebsebseb: step 3 of that known issue details a boot-time hot-key combination to reset/recover the BIOS
[21:10] <sebsebseb> TJ-: bkooo ? that doesn't seem right
[21:11] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Well, if you can find the correct page...! HP numbering is terrible
[21:11] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  windows works on here
[21:11] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I got a little hardware info on the back or under it, but could lose irc conneton I guess if trrying to go to that hmm
[21:12] <sebsebseb> TJ-: altough I also texted someone my info the other month soh mm actaully
[21:12] <TJ-> sebsebseb: right, but the same symptom could be  affecting Linux
[21:12] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I can get some info from that maybe too and that phone isn ear me
[21:12] <JTech> loopback loop (hd0,1)$isofile I tried hd0, hd1, hd2, hd3. none of them change the results of what upgade-grub find. this is really discouraging. I wonder what I'm doing wrong.
[21:12] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  andn ow streaky  got me curious about the battery issue to
[21:12] <sebsebseb> streaky: I don't feel that supprised if there's a possible battery issue, this lap top was never that great really
[21:13] <sebsebseb> it had certain issues to begin with as I mentioned above over heating on like day two or whatever etc
[21:13] <TJ-> sebsebseb: have you run a system test at boot time?
[21:13] <sebsebseb> but when it worked enough,  it  loaded up linux to etc
[21:13] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  which system test ?
[21:14] <TJ-> sebsebseb: "Hold the power button for at least five seconds to turn off the computer." ... power on, immediately press Esc repeatedly, about once every second. When the menu appears press F2, click System Tests, then click Fast Test, click Run Once
[21:14] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  no not done a test like that
[21:14] <streaky> i wub my envy x360
[21:15] <JTech> is there a way to check where loopback loop (hd0,1)$isofile is looking? I know in GRUB2 prompt I can look that way. I wonder if I can do the same from Debian. Probably not.
[21:15] <willian> hi
[21:15] <sebsebseb> streaky: what was that?
[21:15] <sebsebseb> willian:  hi
[21:16] <willian> brazilian newbye
[21:16] <akik> JTech: you can check it in the grub prompt with "ls"
[21:17] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  oh info on ah no text info not going to work now, getting from phone
[21:18] <TJ-> JTech: "(hd0,1)" looks like the wrong syntax; it should be either "(hd0,msdos1)" or "(hd0,gpt1)"
[21:18] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  and to dark to see info on lap top
[21:21] <sebsebseb> streaky:  TJ-  ok batteyr progarm said my batteyr is ok, also it has our wanted details
[21:22] <sebsebseb> TJ-:   HP Pavilion x360 Convertible PC
[21:22] <akik> TJ-: maybe it's older grub that used that syntax (hd0,1)
[21:22] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  serial number 5CD5172296
[21:22] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  product number  M0R72EA#ABU
[21:22] <TJ-> sebsebseb: right, and the overall name doesn't describe which variant it is, that's the problem
[21:22] <axel09> hi group
[21:23] <sebsebseb> TJ-: it's the 14 inch one i tink
[21:23] <sebsebseb> think
[21:23] <TJ-> sebsebseb: ok, so that is a 13" @ https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Pavilion-13-a200-x360-Convertible-PC/7527803/model/7851562
[21:24] <sebsebseb> TJ-: a203na yeah that looks right
[21:24] <JTech> is there a reason Xubuntu would just start stalling on booting up / turning off, and be unable to access any internet, including updating itself?
[21:24] <JTech> the internet isn't out.
[21:25] <TJ-> sebsebseb: latest firmware: "F.37 Rev.A 17.6 MB Nov 20, 2017"
[21:25] <TJ-> sebsebseb: so probably you don't have that. if you don't do an update from Windows. https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-pavilion-13-a200-x360-convertible-pc/7527803/model/7851562
[21:26] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  an upadate for what ?
[21:26] <TJ-> JTech: stall would be caused by systemd waiting for the network-online.target to complete if the network isn't available
[21:26] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  oh the firm wiere
[21:26] <TJ-> sebsebseb: for the firmware :)
[21:26] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yeah i looked at that, but
[21:26] <sebsebseb> TJ-: it looks odd
[21:27] <sebsebseb> since it was something rev 5
[21:27] <sebsebseb> on here
[21:27] <TJ-> sebsebseb: right, so several versions behind
[21:27] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  well its meant to be the same as 2015 when i got lap top
[21:27] <sebsebseb> a replacement motherboard not upgrade
[21:28] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Get the most recent firmware installed, it's the obvious culprit
[21:28] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I am a bit hmm to trying to upgrade the bios firemwire as well in  case something goes wrong with that
[21:30] <adman120> is there a way to delete all non factory packages?
[21:31] <JTech> oh no.... I think the internet problem is because I used two long ethernet cables and somehow it's making the connection unreliable. I plugged it into 2 shorter cables and the internet's fine. T_T
[21:32] <BillD73> JTech: how longs to long? I once set my neighbor up with access to my internet witha  200' cat 5 lol
[21:34] <martijnluka> Niceee
[21:34] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I gurss updating the firmewire would  put it back to some nice defaults hough if it works hmm
[21:36] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I'd expect it to fix all the problems you're seeing
[21:37] <sebsebseb> TJ-: maybe, but why am I having the problems in the first place ?
[21:37] <JTech> BillD73, either it's an issue because I'm connecting two long cables together with a connector, or it's possible one of my cables is damaged.
[21:37] <sebsebseb> TJ-: also why does hp list the firmwires in a odd way or to me, n ot name of bios uefi firmwiere and rev wahtever, like it says in it
[21:38] <JTech> even though I'm currently using the same connector between cables, maybe it contributes to weakening the signal, where an equal length of a single cable wouldn't have this problem.
[21:38] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Ask HP. Use Windows, I'm sure the update won't apply if it doesn't match
[21:38] <BillD73> ahh, yeah I used only a single cable. we even used to quake together over it lol
[21:39] <TJ-> JTech: Cat5 should be good up to 100 metres (that's required by the specification)
[21:39] <sebsebseb> TJ-: or maybe it'x like what BillD73  pt earlier, some odd setting is turend on that shoun't be or something
[21:39] <JTech> TJ-, why is the format of my GRUB2 script wrong if the one you suggested doesn't match the site I'm using? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Creating_the_GRUB_2_Menuentry
[21:39] <TJ-> sebsebseb: the fact you cannot do a factory/default reset suggests it's broken
[21:40] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes seemed that was disabled when I was looking earlier as I put
[21:41] <TJ-> JTech: why not just install "grub-imageboot" and put the ISOs in the /boot/grub/images/ directory?
[21:42] <JTech> TJ-, because I'm doing this on Debian. {in before "go ask #debian" and then have them tell me "go ask #ubuntu because it's an ubuntu ISO"}
[21:42] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I gues updating the bios shoudn't hurt relly
[21:42] <sebsebseb> TJ-: or re installing if it was the latest, which it probably isn't
[21:43] <TJ-> JTech: actually, the default path for grub-bootimage set in /etc/grub-imageboot is /boot/images?
[21:43] <JTech> oh does debian have grub-imageboot?
[21:43] <JTech> I'm surprised. so far I've been finding Debian has nothing alike Ubuntu
[21:43] <TJ-> JTech: Ubuntu inherits all Debian packages
[21:43] <TJ-> !info grub-imageboot | JTech
[21:44] <TJ-> JTech: also see https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/grub-imageboot
[21:44] <JTech> like Debian doesn't have grml-rescueboot or grub-n-iso_multiboot
[21:44] <pikapika> There is the "Search Actions" in the Whisker menu settings where I added a pattern for opening a file/folder in thunar. But of course it doesent display the items in the menu itself, and nor does suggest for partial paths
[21:44] <pikapika> Is there any other way?
[21:45] <JTech> unable to locate package grub-bootimage. of course.
[21:45] <TJ-> JTech: Debian does have grml-rescueboot: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/grml-rescueboot
[21:45] <JTech> is it because my Debian is 2 years out of date?
[21:46] <JTech> what the hell?? grml-rescueboot looks like it's existed in Debian since 2011! why the hell can't I find it in the package manager??
[21:47] <JTech> better go ask Debian
[21:51] <sebsebseb> TJ-: ok now I know which UEFI bios I got yes it's old
[21:52] <sebsebseb> TJ-: now
[21:53] <Matenz10> Hey
[21:55] <Matenz10> Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
[21:55] <Bashing-om> !ask | Matenz10
[21:57] <tomte> hi, can anybody help me with non existing sound on a lenovo t40p  I think the problem starts here: https://pastebin.com/5Fx4GVyq
[21:59] <TJ-> tomte: is the built-in audio device disabled in the firmware's setup options?
[22:00] <tomte> TJ- you mean in the bios? I have to check...
[22:01] <TJ-> tomte: Yes, most systems now don't have BIOS, they have UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface)
[22:03] <tomte> TJ- no such option about audio in there
[22:05] <JTech> Debian won't update. I don't know if that's WHY I can't find packages to make this task easier, but I can't get anything done.
[22:05] <JTech> I was told: The boot process isn't that hard. Personally, the way I'd do it is to make use of the fact that debian derivatives keep symlinks to the newest kernel and initrd, and add into /etc/grub.d/40_custon a menuentry for it, making use of those files,  /initrd.img and /vmlinuz
[22:06] <TJ-> JTech: it would seem so. fix the network, fix Debian
[22:07] <JTech> TJ-, I want to go on as few side-tracks as possible. this is gruelling. I got 5 hours of sleep and I don't know what I'm doing even if I were fully alert.
[22:07] <JTech> I don't know what's wrong with it
[22:08] <JTech> everything's working against me. my motherboard is defective because Gigabyte motherboards have a wide-spread issue of not booting USB. After spending a whole day torturing myself thinking I wasn't writing the ISO to the USB flash drive properly I only then find that out.
[22:08] <JTech> Now Debian is fighting me.
[22:08] <JTech> I just want to install this Xubuntu and go back to normal. T_T
[22:10] <JTech> I wonder if getting a used desktop PC and then upgrading the video card and RAM would be better than custom selecting the motherboard and CPU and having to pay for Windows.
[22:12] <JTech> my internet might go out as I update Debian.
[22:15] <JTech> uhg. maybe not. $270. for only 4GB of RAM.
[22:16] <JTech> I mean I guess the case is included but...
[22:17] <lupulo> hi
[22:17] <JTech> I like how people say "just get a refurbished computer. you can get one for $500 or less" of course there's no keyboard, mouse, monitor, or tax. at that point why not just buy custom parts and get something good.
[22:17] <lupulo> i try install pycaffe, but it's not possible from apt repository .
[22:18] <comarius> irc://irc.xerologic.net/ULTRA-XERO
[22:24] <JTech> I saw a $100 desktop PC with Windows 7. I wonder if that's like getting a low power desktop PC for a few $10s
[22:25] <JTech> I don't know how much Windows actually costs
[22:26] <JTech> did update just delete my bookmarks? that'd be funny.
[22:26] <lupulo> JTech was it a gameboy with windows inside?
[22:26] <JTech> lupulo, Dell.
[22:30] <pikapika> Is it safe/recommended to add folders to root?
[22:31] <lupulo> pikapika.. explain safe?
[22:31] <pikapika> I have a dualboot, and I want to add symlinks for my non Linux ntfs drives in root
[22:31] <lupulo> JTech, lifemax of VANT is cheap too
[22:31] <pikapika> In fstab I have mounted them on /media, and also have sym link shortcuts in ~ directory
[22:32] <pikapika> But typing ~/X is a bit strainful compared to /X
[22:33] <pikapika> lupulo
[22:36] <JustAPerson> In 17.10 it seems like you can't set the lock screen timeout without requiring the screen to blank for power saving? What if I want the lock screen to display on my monitor instead of the power saver mode
[22:39] <lupulo> xscreensaver-command JustAPerson
[22:45] <lupulo> pikapika, if you use a normal user and you use sudo for the commands , why do you need the root folder?
[22:45] <avatar> hello
[22:45] <avatar> ;)
[22:45] <pikapika> Just a convenient place to store a shortcut
[22:46] <pikapika> The actual drives are  normal access area
[22:47] <pikapika> Basically, as I said its a dual boot. So to easily access the Windows drives I have symlinks placed in home directory. But typing ~ is a bit painful, so itd be nice if the shortcut can be stored more conveniently in /
[22:47] <avatar> is there anybody from USA? i have got a small issue and i need some help
[22:47] <JTech> is there any guide on setting up encryption? oh boy. I don't know if I should.
[22:47] <pikapika> Or maybe I should just fstab it to / folder
[22:48] <pikapika> Which approach would be better? Symlink or just mount it on say /X in fstab?
[22:50] <JTech> if I'm using an SSD I wonder if there's a higher risk of complication using encryption.
[22:53] <lupulo> pikapika, look examples with  man mount.ntfs-3g
[22:53] <pikapika> Ok
[22:56] <JTech> do I want LVM with encryption?
[22:57] <lupulo> pikapika, look here https://sourceforge.net/p/ntfs-3g/mailman/ntfs-3g-devel/
[22:58] <pikapika> Ok, it seems like a way to mount devices to file system locations. That I understand, and since these are permanent have already done via fstab. What I meant is, is it advisable to make the mounting point at root? Ie say setting /somename as mount point
[22:58] <pikapika> Instead of like /media/somename
[23:03] <JTech> where do I search for a simple explanation of encryption when installing before I actually go and do it?
[23:07] <akik> pikapika: it's totally up to you where you put the mount point
[23:08] <pikapika> Of course I know that, but I was asking if it could have any problems/sideeffects if I mounted it at root. I guess since no one said anything about it, it should be okay. I hope...
[23:08] <akik> pikapika: no side effects for that (/)
[23:09] <pikapika> Ok
[23:09] <pikapika> Thanks
[23:15] <akik> pikapika: i meant /X not / but i think you got it
[23:15] <pikapika> Yes thanks
[23:16] <MrArmStrong> .
[23:19] <alex29> how to use this chat?
[23:20] <strive> alex29: If you're in need of support for an Ubuntu system, just ask :)
[23:20] <strive> Doh.
[23:22] <Guest58246> im new in linux world, i like it more than windows, but sometimes i need windows, is not possile to use linux 100%? or maybe is because i dont master the os yet
[23:23] <Bashing-om> Guest58246: In my case, Windows free sonce 2009 :)
[23:23] <kermyt> it is very possible to use 100% Open Source software
[23:24] <kermyt> as ong as you ignore firmware
[23:24] <Guest58246> thanks
[23:28] <JTech> I managed to get the ISO to boot in GRUB2, but...
[23:28] <JTech> Error when installing: “unable to find a medium containing a live file system”
[23:28] <JTech> and it's not on USB or an optical drive.
[23:29] <MrArmStrong> @Guest58246, what is it that you need to use Windows for still?
[23:30] <Guest58246> in my business, for example, sometimes i need to watch my ip cameras on my laptop with internet explorer or using aspel software, its a software for manage my business, but i dont like windows
[23:30] <JTech> ls
[23:30] <Guest58246> its really slow, virus, i dont like it, so if i study more linux is possible to forget windows right
[23:31] <Guest58246> like kermyt told me as long as i ignore firmware
[23:31] <MrArmStrong> well firmware isn't windows anyways...
[23:32] <MrArmStrong> but I get your meaning. So are your cameras controlled by some Windows only software?
[23:32] <Guest58246> sometimes i use virtualbox
[23:33] <Guest58246> but i like linux, i will keep improving my linux skilss
[23:33] <MrArmStrong> there you go, you'll get it
[23:33] <Guest58246> thanks
[23:36] <kermyt> firmware is not windows but it it also not OSS.
[23:36] <kermyt> not generally anyhow
[23:37] <kermyt> I look forward to a day when even my computers BIOS is OSS.
[23:46] <trumpOn420> you'd need open source hardware
[23:52] <JTech> Error when installing: “unable to find a medium containing a live file system”
[23:52] <JTech> how do I check the GRUB2 stuff to see if the program I ran in Debian included Casper or whatever it's called that's needed to read the ISO?
[23:58] <lupulo> JTech, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293
[23:58] <lupulo> section 6.
[23:59] <oerheks> lupulo, he has the isoboot wiki too
[23:59] <oerheks> anyway, he runs debian, so..