 I'll send the Lubuntu 17.04 EOL announcement a bit later, I have some family stuff I have to go to, but you can assume that it's EOL now 😉
 If anyone wants to get a head start on things, I'll likely end up creating something very similar to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ArtfulUpgrades/Kubuntu
 Something might already exist, and links to that would be welcome, but for now, that's what we have to work with 😉
 @VikingRedwolf If you feel inclined to create a beautiful page on Lubuntu.me or the wiki for it, that would be great
 Otherwise like I said I'll hack up something :D
 hack it!
 hehe
 One thing that might be cool if @VikingRedwolf or @MichaelTun or whoever else wants to work on it for the future is an 18.04 marketing brochure or sheet or something that someone can print out and hand to someone
 I could totally hack up something, but again, it's not my specialty, and will likely turn out to be subpar 😉
[17:07] <wxl> YES
 Yes to it not turning out well or yes to the idea, wxl? 😆
[17:08] <wxl> bothj
 hahahahahahaha
 Fair
 Hi. I installed the lxde Lubuntu18.04 on my laptop. Will it be something different from the 17.10? Or you are working more in the Lubuntu Next realese?
[17:09] <wxl> every version is something different
 @Jyoti, It shouldn't be *too* different, especially given that the Launchpad builders have been delayed a lot recently, stalling progress. So nothing notable right now, but there could be something we just haven't noticed. 😉
 Right
 Yes, but how big will be the differences betwen the regular Lubuntu versions, 17.10 and 18.04, once you are working also on the Lubuntu Next release?
 Same as the last couple of releases, very slow 😉
 New versions of things will come downstream from Debian, though
 Jyoti as a user you won't notice a big difference in your desktop
 Right.
 And I think that it's something to go on the marketing thing, for sure.
 I think that is not very beautiful keep the entry "about the Lxqt" in the main menu of the LubuntuNext. Ok, the devs must have the credits and is ok to have this information somewere. But why right as a main entrance in the main menu?...
 Hm, I never thought about that before
 agreed. but that might be replaced by a simple "about"
 I'll have a think on it, because you're right, I don't remember any other DE doing this
 Looks strange
 It would be a simple change, but it would break translations 🤔
 Interesting thought, thanks for the suggestion!
 Thank you for your dedication and work
 thank YOU Jyoti :)
 ^
 I buyed and use also the ubports im my bq m10 and in my bq e5 :-) great job
 I buyed the phones :-)
 :D
 Glad to hear you're supporting our friends over at Ubuntu Touch/UBPorts :D
 @VikingRedwolf So the changes we're making, can we have an ETA for Alpha 2?
 Would that work?
 dunno, but I think so
 It's possible, depending on the speed of things :D
 damn right
 I do what I can
 :(
 why is he no there?
 Huh?
 agaida
[18:07] <agaida> what should be done?
 agaida, plz, tell me if this is complicated: http://phab.lubuntu.me/T16
 I'd need a dialog with those values (variables) on it
 Simon is going to do it, but I need a third opinion
[18:19] <agaida> should not be that complicated - hmm, the logo part
 what with the logo part?
 I can haz a bitmap
[18:20] <agaida> in the veriy best case one could use zenity or such a tool
 I thought that, but how do we get such values?
[18:20] <agaida> creative usage of neofetch or so?
 O.o
 hmm hard
 it cannot save values into variables to be processed in a batch
[18:22] <agaida> the major *beep* of it is - all informations are availabel somewhere
 right, and it would be lovely to have them all together
 like a "tamed" hardinfo
 for example, you can get CPU string with "mpstat -P ALL 2"
 hmmm... I'll play a bit
[18:24] <agaida> fork inxi a little bit?
[18:24] <agaida> System:    Host ramme Kernel 4.14.13-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits 64 Desktop LXQt
[18:24] <agaida>            Distro siduction 16.1.0 Patience - lxqt - (201610120613)
[18:24] <agaida> CPU:       Octa core AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core (-MCP-) cache 16384 KB
[18:24] <agaida>            clock speeds max 4000 MHz 1 1515 MHz 2 1514 MHz 3 1514 MHz 4 1515 MHz 5 1507 MHz 6 1517 MHz
[18:24] <agaida>            7 1515 MHz 8 1502 MHz
[18:24] <agaida> Graphics:  Card NVIDIA GM206 [GeForce GTX 950]
[18:24] <agaida>            Display Server x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 ) drivers nvidia (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
[18:24] <agaida>            Resolution 1920x1200@59.95hz
 lovely
[18:24] <agaida>            OpenGL renderer GeForce GTX 950/PCIe/SSE2 version 4.5.0 NVIDIA 390.12
[18:24] <agaida> Info:      Processes 267 Uptime 1:34 Memory 1944.4/32069.2MB Client Quassel v0.13-pre inxi 2.3.45
[18:25] <krytarik> ...
 more than enough information for end users like me
[18:25] <agaida> and delete all things one dont want or need
 a simple "inxi" command puts out a few strings with no detail
 omg, I think it's perfect
[18:26] <agaida> it was inxi -SCGI
 THANK YOU AGAIDA!!!!!
[18:27] <agaida> yw
[18:27] <agaida> :) What should my wife think? But better than licking :D
 don't tempt me. I could lick you if I can get those independent values
[18:34] <agaida> i know the problem - and h2 (Harald Hope) is working on inxi for several years no > 10 :P
 O.o
[18:36] <agaida> another place to look how to get the needed informations might be infobash by locksmith (M. de Boer)
[18:36] <agaida> https://github.com/fullstory/infobash - not so big
[18:37] <agaida> but in the end it boils down to some generic tools and process the output
[18:37] <agaida> and that sucks a lot
 yes. I was thinking on parsing inxi's output with grep or something
 like everything is shown up like "CPU: 286" so I just have to get the text before "CPU: "
 s/before/after 😐
[18:38] <agaida> maybe infobash or neofetch are better toos in that case
 then I'd place a nice little icon before that and... voila
[18:40] <agaida> https://i.imgur.com/cQ3PY3h.jpg :)
 wonderful
[18:41] <agaida> standard neofetch - available in the ubuntu repositories
 wait... you're using LXQt with a GTK3 theme under XFWM...? *brain explodes*
[18:41] <agaida> why not?
 that's an orgy! XD
 I like it, really :)
[18:42] <agaida> xfwm4 is in the moment the WM that fits best for LXQt - thats why i make it default in debian
 and Adwaita is bloody beautiful :)
 matching xfwm theme?
[18:43] <agaida> xfwm4-theme-breeze
 mhm
[18:45] <agaida> https://pb.5id.eu/5t3G.jpg
 I like it
 but the way I used xfwm...
 was odd
 @Павел Иванов, o/
[18:47] <agaida> na - openbox should do too - and if i understand mati right he added my ob breeze theme to debian
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3452.mp4
 no, no, I mean I didn't use compositor, or taskbar, or things like that
[18:47] <agaida> ok, nobody is forced to do so
 https://pre00.deviantart.net/377a/th/pre/f/2014/222/c/c/solaris_cde_by_aaro2011-d7uioaw.png
 @VikingRedwolf, im curious about your desktop
 ._.
 "task icons", CDE style. xfwm is the only wm that can do this nowadays
 I love ancient OS looks
 me too
 and run doom on a window
 good thing is Lubuntu can do something like that. LXDE desktop can show running apps
 instead of "real" desktop
 (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3453
 my first environment: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Gem_11_Desktop.png
 GEM over DRDOS
 wow
 sexy, huh? :)
 oh yes
 compare that with gnome today
 :D
 (i really dont like gnome...)
 I do, but these old systems had something we don't have anymore: a well designed personality
 well, that's for sure
 the desktop metaphor was shocking and innovative then. I guess we've seen too many
 sometimes it s like people want to make or invent the next desktop innovation and look, but not the system
[19:00] <agaida> Personality? Computers are insults pressed into silicon!
 @Wolfenprey, damn right
 like OS/2, it has the unique feature of shading (marking) the active opened app or folder. it's bloody useful
 or the Miller Columns, only OSX took it for its Finder
 (and Panthon)
 every DE is getting more and more alike
 im testing deepin right now 😆
 beautiful, but it was terribly slow in my modest laptop
 but Elementary, Fedora and specially Solus work fast
 something's wrong in Deepin. you just installed now?
 just installed it and seeing why all the love
 the repo updates are slooooooooooow
 not now, if you choose a near one
 it didn't work in my installation :(
 this is my second time with, first time was a disaster
 :)
 omg omg omg omg, agaida, this would work too:
 I can grep proc's texts
 I'm trying not to use external commands / apps
 that image is here: /usr/share/lubuntu/images/logout-banner.png
 but you'llhave to modify it as root
 then you have a hard task XD
[19:10] <agaida> grep  -m 1 "model name" /proc/cpuinfo
[19:10] <agaida> model name      : AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
 there're icons, banners, images, texts, config files... everywhere
 I recommend you, Alon to use a Ubuntu remix tool
 installing an OS and "emptying" it is not practical
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/293859/how-to-make-my-own-distro
 @agaida, yeah. I can't find the graphics card info
 not really, but it'll result in an outdated remix. we  change packages almost daily. imagine the outcome
 specially if you want to create a remix / spin / flavour with a recent source
 may I ask why?
 ok
[19:15] <agaida> redwolf: parsing inxi give taht
[19:16] <agaida> ####  -G - full graphics output requires:  glxinfo (mesa-utils); xdpyinfo (X11-utils);
[19:16] <agaida> ####       xrandr (x11-xserver-utils)
 lspci | grep VGA | uniq
 lots of pipes though
 So I've just set up two-way mirroring of our Lubuntu seeds to GitHub: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-seeds
 Bidirectional?
 Yes.
 Alright, cron is set to go every five minutes for it.
[22:54] <wxl[m]> If you check the man page of lspci, lshw, etc, they're usually reading stuff from /proc
 @VikingRedwolf Would you mind if I converted the Artwork branch to Git and did the mirroring too?
 Please, not yet
 Julien gave the goahead to convert everything to Git but I don't want to pull the rug out from under you. 😉
 Ok, no problem, when would be a good time?
 (It's honestly super simple to do)
 When i finish the Plymouth thing
 Ok, please let me know when this is done.
 Aye
 Because I think mirroring our Git repos in Launchpad, Phab, and GitHub will definitely make them more visible and open to pull requests, know what I mean? :)
 yer
 wait, you said it's b idirectional. so I can keep using bzr, right?
 No
 shite
 then plz wait a bit
 But if you push your changes somewhere, it would really be trivial to convert it one way
 Well,
 Hm
 I *could* actually do that
 (you know, one way convert to Git..._
 Yeah, actually, I'll do that
 O_O
 you nuts
 You can keep working in Bazaar on Launchpad, and this script can just seamlessly convert over
 Oh, watch me, it's easy 😉
 I'll plan to push thingies tomorrow
 Ok
 @julienlavergne Either way, I've converted lubuntu-default-settings over to Git. I can manually import translations, but that's coming.,
 @VikingRedwolf Jeez, your artwork takes a long time to clone :D
 because of too many wallpapers. I'd like to remove some
 but yeah, I have a heavy package 😐
 Yeah, maybe move them to like an "obsolete" package 😉
 @VikingRedwolf, .___.
 no, better removing some
 there're wallies from Quantal!
 but I need to re-arrange  some folders. I need to talk to Julien about it, if we're including another theme
 Boom, converted and pushed to https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-artwork
 @VikingRedwolf ^
 oohhh
 See how simple that was?
 aye
 https://github.com/mnauw/git-remote-bzr makes it SO EASY
 sorcery!
 hehehehe
 @VikingRedwolf Er, so, it can't go *to* Launchpad because of the way things are set up
 So that'll have to be done manually
 But otherwise it's done :)
 Also mirroring stuff on Phab
 nope. it's not working because I ALREADY added the plymouth logo and it's coming back to Launchpad
 got the notification?
 Mhh, dunno
 No?
 well, I'm there: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-artwork
 @VikingRedwolf So you're ready to convert to Git then? :D
 I F*CKING LOVE DRAG'N'DROP!!!
 @VikingRedwolf Soooo you want to use GitHub for now on? :D
 YAASSSSS!!!!
 Ok
 Sooo I'll do the conversion 😉
 specially for me, considering that I upload single files here and there (except  for the icons) it's SUPER handy
 got the update yet?
 Yes
 I'm doing the Git conversion now
 grand
 @VikingRedwolf Accept me into ~lubuntu-artwork
 NO!
 I need to do it to set up the mirroring...
 Oh, thanks
 .___.
 er
 @VikingRedwolf doetttttttt
 nope
 @VikingRedwolf Please?
 Oh
 Heh
 Cool :)
 .___.
 .______.
 omg, you are held there for ages XD
 XD
 I think I can remove Alex now 😢
 Aww :/
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3464.mp4
 I miss him :(
 He did every glyph and mini icon in Lubuntu, you know?
 o____o
 wow
 Cool!
 😢
 (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3465
 @VikingRedwolf Alright, should be all set up :)
 Although, when you use the GitHub web interface, you can get garbage emails like https://git.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=e2601ea83ddf162a5644dbf9abb8d8d6ab665b5d
 @VikingRedwolf So now, you can commit in GitHub, Phab, or Launchpad and it will all seemlessly merge
 @julienlavergne So now, the artwork and default settings branches have been converted to Git and mirrored to GitHub and Phab.Lubuntu.me but the old branches are there for compatibility, I'll let you delete those when you're satisfied with the Git conversion :)
 @julienlavergne And you might want to add your Ubuntu email to GitHub so you can get these commits on your profile :D