[09:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> enjoy before the cold weather arrives...
[09:49] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: even colder?
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> seemingly...
[09:56] <brobostigon> https://darksky.net/forecast/51.752,-1.2578/uk224/en doesnt look two bad,
[09:56] <brobostigon> too*
[12:31] <halt> just because there is an of chance that my issue is distro specific, I ask it here as well, ( also becasue the httpd channel is dead ) I have this config https://apaste.info/f1Lh and I can't access the server-status on apache 2.4
[12:33] <Nafallo> looks like you can though? you're getting a redirect your curl isn't following?
[12:38] <halt> Well that goes out to the main domain on https and there only a 403
[12:38] <halt> curl -s -I -L localhost/server-status?auto | grep ^HTTP
[12:38] <halt> HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
[12:38] <halt> HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
[13:40] <Fogey_> Is there s specific help channel?
[13:41] <daftykins> the main channel is #ubuntu - but you can ask here as well, as long as it's *buntu based
[13:42] <Fogey_> Sure is.  I've got 16.04.3 installed on an old Toshiba laptop - all was great until the latest update....
[13:42] <daftykins> ruh roh
[13:42] <daftykins> boot the last kernel and then update again
[13:42] <daftykins> you may have obtained a dud
[13:42] <Fogey_> Did.
[13:43] <daftykins> ok well i'm going to need a little bit more detail than that
[13:44] <Fogey_> OK, so complete reinstall and update - same problem.  When you move the mouse to the top r/h corner the screen blanks....
[13:44] <Fogey_> Flickers and then returns...
[13:44] <daftykins> oh right so it's nothing boot related
[13:45] <Fogey_> Boots OK, looks OK, until you want to use it...#
[13:46] <daftykins> which kernel is it on?
[13:46] <Fogey_> Interestingly, when you do manage to grab Firefox, the top menu dissapears.
[13:46] <Fogey_> disappears?
[13:47] <Fogey_> Col bogey. I don't know...  tell me how to find out...
[13:47] <daftykins> uname -r
[13:48] <daftykins> you might be able to boot, ignore the GUI entirely and switch to a TTY to run the above - with ctrl+alt+F1
[13:48] <Fogey_> 4.10.0-28-generic
[13:49] <Fogey_> s'ok I managed to get a terminal..
[13:49] <daftykins> mmm so HWE kernel of the .3 media - can you share an lspci via "lspci | pastebinit" ?
[13:49] <Fogey_> gawd.  OK, spell it out for me...
[13:49] <daftykins> no you don't need an explanation of that
[13:51] <daftykins> having any luck with the above command?
[13:51] <Fogey_> So you say...  I can't find that filter thingy character
[13:52] <daftykins> the pipe? |
[13:52] <Fogey_> pipe! That's it...
[13:52] <daftykins> it's shift + the key between left shift and Z on a UK layout
[13:53] <Fogey_> Well fancy that!
[13:54] <Fogey_> Hang on, I've got to install pastebinit
[13:56] <Fogey_> OK, i've run the command, where's the flippin text gone?
[13:56] <daftykins> it should have output a URL to type here
[13:57] <Fogey_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26384861
[13:59] <daftykins> ok intel integrated graphics only
[14:00] <Fogey_> It's an old laptop :)
[14:00] <daftykins> that's irrelevant, modern laptops can be intel graphics only too
[14:00] <daftykins> and: grep -i model /proc/cpuinfo
[14:00] <Fogey_> Like me..
[14:01] <Fogey_> You want me to shove that down the pipe too?
[14:01] <daftykins> nah just run it and let me know what the CPU is
[14:01] <Fogey_> Model 23
[14:01] <daftykins> should have a proper name like "intel blah blah"
[14:02] <Fogey_> Pentium(R) Dual-Core T4300 @2.10GHz
[14:02] <daftykins> that's the one
[14:03] <daftykins> try reinstalling using this image and updating as normal - http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04.1/ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:04] <Fogey_> I've re-installed using an old release it works OK. I'm actually using it now.
[14:04] <daftykins> no you're not, you're using a newer image which gave you a newer kernel
[14:04] <daftykins> 13:48 < Fogey_> 4.10.0-28-generic <-- as stated above
[14:04] <daftykins> i'm on a 16.04 install which is running 4.4.0-109-generic
[14:05] <Fogey_> Well, it was off a USB stick that I set up last year.  It works.
[14:05] <daftykins> then i need to know what version it is
[14:05] <daftykins> it can't be that much older since you claim to be giving me output from the problem machine
[14:06] <Fogey_> I am.  Re-installed but DID NOT accept the latest updates which appears to be the issue.
[14:07] <daftykins> ok, well the point i'm trying to get at is to run a different kernel version by installing from the ISO i linked above, so do that please
[14:07] <daftykins> updating after *that* install will be different
[14:09] <Fogey_> Alrighty, you'll have to excuse my ignorance.
[14:10] <Fogey_> Getting the 16.04 LTS from the website sometime last year brought me to this point.
[14:10] <Fogey_> The latest update made things go wonky.
[14:10] <Fogey_> Where does that leave me going backwards?
[14:11] <daftykins> yes, as time goes on they refresh the images with newer hardware enablement stacks, which results in a different kernel and GUI stack for the release versus the original 16.04 release
[14:11] <daftykins> !hwe
[14:11] <daftykins> just means you'll be on 4.4 instead of 4.10, still gets updates and fixes
[14:11] <daftykins> trying out the older one is a troubleshooting test i've picked
[14:14] <Fogey_> I don't suppose you can overwrite the Kernel from the command line?
[14:14] <daftykins> i'd have issued an instruction to do things the easy way, if there were an easy way
[14:14] <daftykins> reinstall with the above ISO please :)
[14:14] <Fogey_> Hah! of course..
[14:15] <Fogey_> OK. That's gonna take some time....  If you don't hear from me again,.... many thanks for assistance.
[14:18] <daftykins> np, good luck
[14:18] <daftykins> i know who to point you to if it does the same
[14:18] <Fogey_> OKey doke.  Now how do I quite this thing?
[14:18] <Fogey_> quit1