[00:02] <JTech> lupulo, w-what?
[00:03] <JTech> lupulo, I'm doing this from a Debian installation. but it's a Xubuntu ISO. so everything's wrong.
[00:03] <JTech> god my head hurts. I've been at this for 2 days straight.
[00:04] <JTech> day 1: found out Gigabyte motherboards can't boot USB. All that time wasted attempting to "fix" the USB flash drive for nothing.
[00:04] <JTech> day 2: updated Debian, allowing me to install the program to create the entry in the GRUB2 menu for the ISO.
[00:07] <JTech> HOW DO I LOOK AT THE GRUB2? THROUGH GRUB OR THROUGH DEBIAN??
[00:07] <JTech> I DON';T KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE GRUB
[00:08] <JTech> I HAT EMY FUCKING LIFE
[00:08] <Bashing-om> JTech:  http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html .
[00:08] <oerheks> !language | JTech
[00:09] <oerheks> and you get help in debian too..
[00:12] <kermyt> I'm shocked and suprised that JTech hasn't been kickbanned yet.
[00:42] <rohit> could help me with my issues regarding apache guacamole?
[00:43] <luketheduke1> What's the issue
[00:43] <JTech> yeah. I'm a real sub-human specimen. no self-control. terrible at my worst.
[00:43] <JTech> thanks for the link to the grub manual, Bashing-om.
[00:43] <rohit> under settings there is no options. There shouldbe connections, preferences,etc? Do you know why?
[00:45] <luketheduke1> I dunno
[00:45] <rohit> lol
[00:45] <rohit> thanks anyway
[00:46] <rohit> anyone else has a answer
[00:47] <rohit> does anyone know wher ei could go for further hekp
[00:48] <t0no6a> rohit : ?
[00:49] <rohit> for my question regarding guacamole?
[00:49] <luketheduke1> t0no6a, more help with his apache guacamole problem
[00:50] <t0no6a> and what the fu_k is apache guacamole?
[00:50] <luketheduke1> Personally, I've found that a small splash of lemon juice helps avoid guacamole oxidation
[00:50] <JTech> the program I used in Debian to create this GRUB2 entry is very odd. I wonder if I need to scrap it and follow one of the examples on these websites for a bootable ISO image... ... I don't even see any {} brackets!
[00:53] <JTech> website uses insmod linux, loopback, iso9660, and I think fat. but mine uses part_msdos and ext2. hmmm....
[00:54] <JTech> I don't understand how it started the ISO but then couldn't find any files. huh. maybe it only read the files that weren't in that casper directory.
[00:55] <JTech> "Install Ubuntu - Network Install" I think I'll try that next if I can't get this working.
[00:57] <dellar> Hi
[00:57] <dellar> Hi Drone
[00:58] <dellar> Can you help mx for the longest while i tryin working g to hack my android phone to get free data nute on backbox linu
[01:00] <JTech> i dont know what half those words are.
[01:02] <krytarik> dellar: 1.) Drone is a bot.  2.) Not at all related to the channel topic.
[01:02] <krytarik> !alis
[01:03] <rohit> anyone can help me with apache guacamole?
[01:04] <dellar> ckBox Linux
[01:04] <sabo> hi
[01:04] <dellar> i hate this tem can someone help me out operating sys
[01:04] <dellar> @Sabo Hi
[01:05] <dellar>  roidand@ywith hacking msabo im using backbox linus can you help me out
[01:12] <dipper> hello
[01:15] <michael2> does anyone know if there is a way to remove a program and all of the dependencies that it installed?
[01:15] <Bashing-om> michael2: ' sudo apt purge <package> ' .
[01:15] <leftyfb> michael2: sudo apt-get remove --purge <program>  ; sudo apt-get autoremove
[01:17] <michael2> leftyfb: that looks like what Im going for. do you know if there is a command which I could run before the `apt-get autoremove` which lists out what will get auto-remove'd?
[01:18] <oerheks> use the -d = dryrun option ?
[01:20] <michael2> oerheks: ah, clever thanks leftyfb, oerheks, Bashing-om
[01:20] <Bashing-om> michael2: ^^ or the -s switch " simulate " .
[01:23] <sabo>  l
[01:23] <JTech> editing the GRUB2 manually is so frustrating. no progress.
[01:24] <michael2> Bashing-om: thanks,
[01:24] <JTech> I just get error: file not found. error: file not found. error: you need to load the kernel first.
[01:24] <charlesporter> is there any update on when the 17.10 download links are coming back?
[01:25] <oerheks> charlesporter, http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/
[01:25] <charlesporter> thank you
[01:31] <miguel> hi
[01:32] <JTech> very very minor progress. I managed to get rid of ONE of the "error: file not found". I think because I was pointed to the wrong place for the ISO. but the second error must be from the linux /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/xubuntu-16-04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:33] <JTech> what am I doing wrong?
[01:34] <JTech> i'm following what it says on https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293
[01:40] <JTech> I'm stumped.
[01:40] <JTech> this page doesn't have any difference in that linux /casper line either. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Creating_the_GRUB_2_Menuentry
[01:41] <JTech> oh woops. I think i got the wrong one. need vmlinuz.efi instead of vmlinuz. let's try that.
[01:42] <JTech> nope :(
[01:42] <JTech> :O
[01:43] <krytarik> ..Yes?  Or pastebin what you got currently?
[01:44] <JTech> crap. I should have put (loop) on both lines. it crashed. but I think that might work. I was relying on set root=(loop) but I don't think that was working.
[01:45] <JTech> crap I gotta re-type it both in GRUB2 and for a pastebin.
[01:45] <JTech> lemme try GRUB2 first. if it works I won't need to show it. :>
[01:45] <JTech> sure wish I could copy/paste into GRUB2.
[01:47] <vip> hola
[01:48] <JTech> ah, well I've finished here 1st so... https://pastebin.com/6A3rs6eX
[01:50] <JTech> oops typo caught in isofile. should be a "." between 16-04
[01:52] <JTech> oh and in 2nd last line, vmlinuz.efi instead of vmlinuz
[01:54] <JTech> OMG it's doing lots of stuff!@
[01:54] <JTech> I think it worked! I have a Xubuntu desktop!
[01:54] <krytarik> \o/
[01:55] <JTech> now, like a exam cram session, I can forget everything I learned.
[01:55] <JTech> .... there wasn't much I laerned really. I'll remember that Gigabyte makes garbage motherboards. but all the GRUB2 stuff is pretty hard to remember. it was just copy/pasting/editing
[01:56] <JTech> w-wait... I have a desktop... where's the installation option?
[01:56] <JTech> oh. right there.
[01:56] <JTech> "install Xubuntu" on the desktop. I'm so fried.
[01:59] <krytarik> Well, copy and paste isn't too bad on Grub. >_>
[02:01] <JTech> yeah but it's on another computer. no way to copy in order to paste into it
[02:01] <JTech> unless I could have edited GRUB from Debian, but I didn't find out how I could do that
[02:01] <donofrio> how do I get my video working in ubuntu "[AMD/ATI] RV530/M56-P [Mobility Radeon X1600]" I also have two Bus 001 Device 003: ID 17e9:4324/Bus 001 Device 005: ID 17e9:4324 that are only mirroring internal imac display (https://apaste.info/D7EM)
[02:01] <krytarik> I mean rather than remembering everything.
[02:02] <AGiantSquidz> Hello. Weird problem. In Ubuntu. Once in a while my sound (Audio device: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH HD Audio) will stop working randomly. Then after a few days start working again as if there's no issue. I'm in a phase where it's not working. Any ideas why this is?
[02:03] <AGiantSquidz> I looked in KDE sound settings and the device is listed in the ordering, but is disabled.
[02:05] <donofrio> screen is not refreshing in video (firefox in youtube.com)
[02:05] <ubie-newbie> I remember back in the day ( Lucid Lynx era ) there were sometimes devastating consequences to upgrading your sytems rather than just reinstalling ...   Is it better to install fresh new installation better than upgrading?
[02:05] <JTech> I wish the installation was a bit more verbose. I don't know what file system to put on the new SSD and HDD... it's defaulting to ext4.
[02:05] <ubie-newbie> Are there any caveots?
[02:09] <ubie-newbie> Did something change? I thought we were past 16.04 but it's showing as the "latest LTS version" on the ubuntu dl page.
[02:11] <donofrio> would going to 18.04 make my video issue better (at least refresh better?)
[02:12] <JTech> ... there's a version 17? ... did I want that?
[02:13] <JTech> oh I see. 16 is LTS = long term support.17 is only up to july 2018. strange.
[02:15] <JTech> bleh. I really wish there were a guide for this. I don't know how to set up my partitions and stuff for a SSD with HDD
[02:16] <donofrio> wondering what do I put in sources.list to get it to 18.04 or should I (not yet) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule ?
[02:17] <JTech> donofrio, I don't know anything, but I think anything beyond version 16 is going to be less stable.
[02:17] <JTech> version 18's gotta  be experimental, right?
[02:17] <donofrio> ok so how can I get my video working (got mirror and refresh issues)
[02:18] <JTech> I dunno about that. :S
[02:19] <JTech> I just spent 2 solid days getting to a pointn where I could install this to begin with. I want to figure out how to do this so I can get back to normal. so stressed.
[02:19] <DDR> @JTech: I put everything on the SSD, then dealt with the HDD later.
[02:20] <JTech> "you don't need a separate /boot partition unles syou're encrypting your root partition" don't they recommend you encrypt everything, which would include the root partition, meaning I need to, like they say, have a separate partition for /boot?
[02:20] <DDR> I mostly keep virtualbox files on the HDD, and some swap space for hibernation.
[02:20] <DDR> But I set that up after the installation. No need to deal with it right away.
[02:21] <DDR> I did leave everything unencrypted though, since I have a tendency to kill installations every half-year or so.
[02:22] <DDR> It's convenient to be able to back up without having to figure out how the encryption works in a recovery environment.
[02:22] <JTech> :S
[02:23] <JTech> I don't have a way to backup right now anyway... I should have bought 2 new HDs instead of just 1 replacement HD.
[02:23] <blackflow> nowadays you can even run with encrypted /boot
[02:23] <lucas-arg> hey guys, which version of ubuntu should i install? 17.10.1 or 16.04?
[02:23] <JTech> encrypted boot?? h-how??
[02:24] <donofrio> what do I need to go from 17.04 to 17.10 or is that a downgrade?  just want working accel video and instead of haveing mirror would like the Plugable UGA-3000 to be extra displays and not mirror
[02:25] <Bashing-om> lucas-arg: As you have to ask, then 16.04.1 - unless you have new hardware that 17.10.1 supports .
[02:25] <JTech> i feel like it should be easier for me at this point but I'm totally stalling.
[02:27] <JTech> would it be simpler to make a separate unencrypted boot partition or to figure out how to encrypt over it?
[02:28] <lucas-arg> Bashing-om, then ill stay with LTS
[02:29] <Bashing-om> lucas-arg: Yepper . others are beta testing for the next LTS .
[02:29] <lucas-arg> thans
[02:29] <lucas-arg> thanks
[02:30] <kneeki> I'm getting a permission denied error when trying to use: "watch -d -n 2 /var/log/apache2/website-error.log" any idea what gives?
[02:31] <Bashing-om> lucas-arg: Like above, ubless you know otherwise to do .. ya want to install 16,04.1 . That release avoids translating to upstream kernels and X stacks .
[02:31] <JTech> I only have 4GB of RAM. should my swap file go on my SSD or my HDD? I'm planning on getting more RAM but for now the SSD had priority.
[02:31] <lucas-arg> thanks Bashing-om
[02:32] <Bashing-om> !hwe | lucas-arg
[02:32] <JTech> my swap file would make things super slow before, but I was also using a 5400rpm HD and now I have a 7200. or similar numbers.
[02:33] <JTech> installing is stressful. I need a break. getting the GRUB2 to work was enough work.
[02:33] <blackflow> JTech: I tried it once but that's it. iirc it only took setting GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y in /etc/default/grub. /boot was part of /, so not separate, which was ext4 atop LUKS partition. It worked fine, except I had to type in the passphrase _twice_, once for grub bootloader, and once again to unlock the same partition over for root.
[02:34] <blackflow> JTech: btw, encrypting disks is really useful only to protect the data once the disk leaves your computer(s). it does not protect against any other vector, as it can be easily attacked with trojaned bootlader.
[02:35] <blackflow> meaning, you're safe even if you don't encrypt /boot
[02:36] <DDR> Yeah. I have to turn the swap file off when I'm not hibernating.
[02:37] <DDR> Which is what brings me here today.
[02:37] <DDR> Anyone know how to make baloo-extractor not use 20gb of my 24gb of ram?
[02:38] <DDR> I like baloo. It just seems to leak memory like a sieve.
[02:39] <DDR> It wouldn't be a problem if baloo-extractor was the thing that got pushed to swap, but nooo.
[02:39] <DDR> It seems to push everything else I'm actually using to swap, which makes the system unresponsive for minutes at a time.
[02:43] <greno> Hello anybody? Just a quick question about Testdisk and missing partitions...
[02:43] <qappyal> hi
[02:44] <JTech> blackflow, what?? that makes encryption sound completely useless!
[02:45] <greno> After an interrupted 'move' command with kubuntu partition tool, I have two deleted partitions...
[02:45] <blackflow> JTech: it's not, tho'. protecting data in case of computer/disk theft is very useful.
[02:45] <blackflow> theft, or decomissioning a faulty drive, etc...
[02:46] <DDR> That. ^
[02:46] <JTech> why can't someone do that ... trojaned bootloader like you said?
[02:46] <DDR> greno: rip :p
[02:47] <DDR> JTech: 'cause they don't have your password
[02:47] <DDR> Assuming the HDD is encrypted.
[02:47] <JTech> oh.
[02:48] <blackflow> JTech: because trojaned bootloader makes sense when your disk is in use. the bootloader could be trojaned to syphon off the passphrase and continue normally. think remote servers, or attacking unattended laptop.
[02:48] <JTech> so that would only apply if... they had access to your computer, but put that trojaned bootloader on and gave it back to you, hoping you would unlock it for them.
[02:48] <blackflow> JTech: pretty much.
[02:49] <JTech> ok, thanks for the info.
[02:49] <blackflow> given how bad USB is nowadays, it could be done in a few seconds by plugging in a USB stick while you're not looking. ASSUMING a secondary vulnerability that'd allow that, which given the state of security these days, is not unlikely.
[02:51] <JTech> yeah. I'm getting paranoid these days. I plugged a USB stick into my mom's laptop to see if it would boot and her wireless died. installed that right off Xubuntu's website, confirmed MD5checksum and all. so who's the weak link? me?
[02:51] <JTech> we're all compromised
[02:52] <JTech> now anything most of us do is just like trying to catch vommit after it's already spilled on the floor, or cover your genitals after they've already been seen. what's the point?
[02:53] <JTech> maybe so it takes bigger boys to have an excuse to treat you badly.
[02:54] <JTech> so the NSA won't bother locking you up for pirating software, but maybe one day some local group {law enforcement or ISP or I dunno what} just rolls over on whatever company wanders by and asks them to roll over on you.
[02:54] <DDR> That's probably a driver issue there, more than anything else.
[02:55] <JTech> oh, the laptop.
[02:55] <JTech> she just got it. I think it's refurbished. with Xubuntu on it.
[02:56] <JTech> I'll have another look at it after I've gotten my stuff installed and set up.
[02:58] <JTech> uhg. why is "/" not sufficient "mount point" for this partition to install the OS onto??
[02:58] <JTech> do I need multiple partitions after all?
[02:59] <JTech> ah. I just had to put /home on the HDD
[03:04] <JTech> oh. is this supposed to be "physical vollume for encryption" instead of ext4??
[03:05] <JTech> security key. is that supposed to be a long string of random characters, or an easily remembered password?
[03:05] <JTech> why isn't the installation guide more verbose? it doesn't cover any of this.
[03:07] <Guest41310> any chinese?
[03:07] <Guest41310> teach me how to use ubuntu
[03:07] <lucas-arg> chi
[03:07] <Guest41310> wechat 18810964058
[03:08] <Guest41310> thanks
[03:08] <Guest41310> intresting
[03:10] <JTech> oh.... this process only works on computers with UEFI.... I don't think I have that.
[03:13] <JTech> so maybe I need to set up that boot partition after all. :S
[03:13] <tony__> ls
[03:13] <tony__> hello,anyone there
[03:13] <tony__> ?
[03:14] <JTech> yes
[03:14] <tatertots> tony__: are you having a issue technical in nature? yes or no
[03:14] <tony__> no
[03:14] <tatertots> tony__: ok cool beans...take care
[03:14] <tony__> this is my 1st time on this line.
[03:15] <tony__> how to @ another one ?
[03:16] <tony__> where r u
[03:17] <tatertots> on your computer screen...where else
[03:17] <tony__> whick nation ? I mean ...
[03:18] <tatertots> oh..sorry
[03:18] <krytarik> !ot
[03:18] <tatertots> it's a place called your computer screen...it's just north of your keyboard
[03:18] <bazhang> tony__, #ubuntu-offtopic for chat please
[03:19] <tony__> oh ,this is a support talk, sorry...
[03:19] <tony__> i quit...
[03:19] <JTech> do I need to unmount all HDDs that aren't being formatted for the new system in order to use LUKS?
[03:20] <JTech> is the installer in memory, that it's safe to unmount the drive I booted the installer from?
[03:21] <JTech> it's not, is it... if I want LUKS I bet I need to unmount the old HDD, which means putting the ISO on a USB stick and attempting to get that back into GRUB2, right?
[03:22] <JTech> or is it all fine, and LUKS is an option underneath encryption?
[03:23] <JTech> like encryption, then LUKS, then ext4?
[03:23] <bazhang> JTech, is this the xubuntu iso from a debian install on usb stick
[03:23] <JTech> bazhang, hah. well... it was. right now it's on a HDD.
[03:24] <bazhang> JTech, are you trying to install the iso from hdd with grub
[03:25] <JTech> bazhang, yeah. it's working but I'm not sure I can use LUKS on the new drives with the old drive still mounted. but I'm not sure if I can unmount the drive the ISO is on while I'm installing.
[03:26] <bazhang> JTech, the iso from grub is more of a recovery type sitautaion, not an installer one
[03:26] <tatertots> JTech: you mean in the future it will be on a HDD, since the "installation" has not reached %100 completion
[03:26] <tatertots> JTech: %99 is NOT equal to %100
[03:26] <JTech> well my motherboard can't boot USB and I have no optical drive.
[03:27] <bazhang> JTech, what you are proposing has no way to finalize the installation
[03:27] <JTech> tatertots, no, I mean the installer ISO is on an old HDD. I'm trying to install onto new storage, but I can't understand the message it's telling me about whether I need to unmount the old drive or not.
[03:28] <bazhang> JTech, so were you to have an optical drive, you could install from cd/dvd
[03:29] <tatertots> JTech: if you boil it all down...."are you booted to livecd/liveusb right now? yes or no
[03:29] <JTech> "do you want the installer to try to unmount the partitions on these disks before continuing? if you leave them mounted, you will not be able to create, delete, or resize partitions on THESE DISKS, but you may be able to install to existing partitions there."
[03:29] <tatertots> just yes or no
[03:29] <JTech> tatertots, I think so. I've got a desktop with "Install Xubuntu" on it.
[03:29] <bazhang> tatertots, he has the iso via grub, and wants to full install like that
[03:30] <tatertots> bazhang: makes sense
[03:30] <bazhang> tatertots, but that wont let him finalize the install
[03:30] <JTech> I thought it was only referring to "these disks" in regard to the ones with existing partitions it's asking if I should unmount, but when I decided not to unmount them I'm given options to partition the new drives but nothing about LUKS.
[03:31] <JTech> bazhang, why can't I finalize it? I'm installing from one HD onto another. they're not the same HD.
[03:31] <bazhang> JTech, so if you were to have an optical drive, you could install via cd/dvd?
[03:32] <JTech> bazhang, .... theoretically. but that's irrelevant.
[03:32] <JTech> because I don't have one.
[03:32] <bazhang> JTech, you have an iso via grub, thats recovery NOT install
[03:33] <JTech> I'm running the installation right now.
[03:34] <JTech> fine. no answers. I'll have to try trial and error to see what works.
[03:34] <JTech> let's find out if unmounting the drive that the installer ISO is on will stop the installer from working.
[03:35] <bazhang> JTech, please let it run, unitl it comes time to remove the usb/cd finalize stage
[03:35] <bazhang> JTech, we are actively answering you now, please be patient more than five seconds
[03:36] <JTech> it's not running because I'm stuck making decisions on the partitioning. because I want encryption and LUKS {I GUESS i want LUKS?? maybe it's not worth this hassle} but I can't figure out how to get it.
[03:38] <JTech> nope. it still left it mounted. I guess the installer isn't in memory, it's completely on the drive it asked if I should unmount.
[03:39] <JTech> encrypt and LVM are greyed out. I guess I can't do those things unless I put the installer on a drive that doesn't already have Ubuntu on it. {it's a broken version but I want to retrieve my files from it but I don't have any backup other than the new storage I'm trying to format.}
[03:42] <JTech> ... maybe switching to the USB flash drive won't be difficult at all compared to initially getting it to work in GRUB2. *hopeful*
[03:44] <krytarik> JTech: "sudo umount -l /isodevice", fwiw.
[03:44] <JTech> the installer wouldn't let me, probably because that would break the installation.
[03:45] <krytarik> (Notice the '-l' option is the important bit.)
[03:46] <shadaloo> hi
[03:46] <shadaloo> i am getting this error fatal error: cuda_runtime_api.h: No such file or directory
[03:46] <shadaloo> any ideas?
[03:46] <shadaloo> or a better channel for support???
[03:47] <bazhang> shadaloo, is that some miner software issue?
[03:54] <JTech> i tried to unmount them and it won't. even with that command.
[03:54] <JTech> huh.... and the Gigabyte motherboard is worse than I thought. not only won't it boot USB, it won't let me access it even from GRUB
[03:55] <JTech> looks like this motherboard might make it impossible for me to install with LUKS and encryption.
[03:56] <JTech> oh.... all those edits I made to the GRUB menu are reverted. :O
[04:03] <JTech> I realized I can't boot without the GRUB on the HD with existing OSes on them.
[04:04] <JTech> I know I did this before somehow. I wonder if the other Gigabyte motherboard I have is capable of booting USB... That'd be a lot of work disassembling almost my whole computer just on a chance...just to get encryption and LUKS.
[04:05] <JTech> I'm really tired. I should put this off until tomorrow. 2 days of work. so close.
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> JTech: plop boot manager can run usb at boot from any older systems, give it a try
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> JTech: you need to burn it on a cd/dvd though
[04:06] <JTech> lotuspsychje, no optical drive. :(
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> JTech: then perhaps load .iso from grub?
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> bit more complicated
[04:07] <JTech> lotuspsychje, yeah. problem is the motherboard seems to be blocking me from loading USB devices even in GRUB, not just being unable to boot them.
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> JTech: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[04:08] <JTech> I do a ls and only see the old HD with 3 partitions, then 2 other drives with no file systems on them {probably the new blank HDD and SSD}
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> JTech: this technique loads your iso from grub, not the usb way
[04:08] <JTech> like I do a ls in the grub menu.
[04:09] <bazhang> lotuspsychje, thats more of a rescue disk thing
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> bazhang: he wants to install ubuntu, and spent days here already because he cant get usb booted
[04:09] <bazhang> lotuspsychje, he wants to install to the hdd and have installer in memory to allow unmounting of the disk
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> bazhang: perhaps his last resort?
[04:10] <bazhang> lotuspsychje, oh yes of that I am very aware
[04:10] <JTech> the problem is I can't boot GRUB without the HDD with the existing OSes on them, and once I'm at that point I can't get rid of those partitions to allow the Xubuntu installation to do encryption and LUKS because it can't get rid of the HDD.
[04:11] <JTech> even if I could put the installer on a USB device, I need the HDD to get GRUB, and then can't get rid of the HDD during installation.
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> JTech: ESC or hold shift doenst load grub?
[04:12] <JTech> lotuspsychje, load GRUB from what? the HDD with existing OSes will load GRUB, but then I can't get rid of the HD to install properly.
[04:12] <JTech> there's no way to boot without that HDD because there's no way to boot anything but HDDs.
[04:13] <tatertots> JTech: do you have a fully functional, %100 completed fully installed ubuntu operating system on any disk "internal" to the computer? yes or no
[04:13] <JTech> .... maybe if I had a spare HD I could just put the ISO and GRUB on... but I don't think I have one to spare.
[04:13] <JTech> tatertots, no.
[04:14] <JTech> I got a HDD with functional Debian, and broken Xubuntu {that I want to retrieve files from}
[04:14] <tatertots> JTech: good..
[04:14]  * oerheks mumbles UEFI
[04:16] <tatertots> JTech: you physically own more than one desktop/laptop computer? yes or no
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> JTech: your story keeps getting more weird...you said you had award bios last time to me, now you say uefi?
[04:16] <JTech> tatertots, yes. currently on laptop.
[04:16] <JTech> lotuspsychje, no. Award BIOS with no UEFI.
[04:17] <tatertots> JTech: how many computers do you physically own (grand total)? (a numerical value is expected as a response)
[04:17] <JTech> hm.... the laptop is technically loaned to me, but it's a junker. 2.
[04:18] <tatertots> error
[04:18] <tatertots> JTech: how many computers do you physically own (grand total)? (a numerical value is expected as a response)
[04:18] <JTech> 2
[04:18] <JTech> oh man. I was right. {I think?} previous Gigabyte motherboard DOES have UEFI. Does that let me boot USB?
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> JTech: JTech	oh and in 2nd last line, vmlinuz.efi instead of vmlinuz
[04:20] <krytarik> lotuspsychje: (That's just for 64-bit.)
[04:21] <tatertots> JTech: you have a grand total of 2 computers (embellishing some)
[04:21] <tatertots> JTech: 1of2 has no functional operating system, according to your own testimony
[04:22] <JTech> no. it's got Debian on it. same HDD but different partition has broken Xubuntu.
[04:22] <tatertots> JTech: does computer 2of2 have a fully functional, %100 completed, fully installed operating system of any variety install to the "internal" disks?   yes or no
[04:23] <JTech> yes
[04:23] <tatertots> JTech: name the title of the operating system in use on computer 2of2?
[04:24] <JTech> Xubuntu {laptop}
[04:24] <JTech> but the only way to use the laptop would be with an external enclosure for a HDD.
[04:24] <tatertots> JTech: good.
[04:24] <tatertots> JTech: just keep following me and play the game :)
[04:24] <JTech> ok.
[04:25] <tatertots> JTech: are you chatting from computer 2of2 right now? yes or no
[04:25] <JTech> yes
[04:25] <tatertots> JTech: open terminal
[04:26] <JTech> already open
[04:26] <tatertots> JTech: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit sosreport
[04:26] <tatertots> JTech: let me know when done
[04:27] <JTech> done
[04:27] <JTech> tatertots, done
[04:27] <tatertots> JTech: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[04:27] <tatertots> JTech: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link....say so
[04:27] <JTech> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26382509/
[04:29] <tatertots> JTech: sudo sosreport
[04:29] <tatertots> JTech: use your chat screen name
[04:29] <tatertots> JTech: press ENTER until it has begun
[04:30] <tatertots> JTech: you  have no id due to stranger danger
[04:30] <jrgilman> Hey you guys have any experience with vm.overcommit_memory?
[04:31] <tatertots> JTech: let me know when done
[04:31] <JTech> sorry. got confused by it asking for two names ... and some kind of crash
[04:32] <tatertots> JTech: your first name is "J"
[04:32] <tatertots> JTech: your last name is "Tech"
[04:32] <JTech> I put JTech both times. :S
[04:32] <tatertots> JTech: using the method of addition or merge
[04:32] <tatertots> JTech: = JTech
[04:33] <JTech> it finished.
[04:33] <tatertots> JTech: arithmetically speaking
[04:33] <JTech> sosreport and checksum.
[04:34] <JTech> {am I gonna get DDOSed with this info? :> for all the trouble I caused earlier?}
[04:34] <tatertots> JTech: you are in good hands ...with salty small potato snacks :)
[04:34]  * JTech licks lips
[04:36] <JTech> the sosreport finished
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> !details | jrgilman
[04:39] <donofrio> help my system look like this https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL4wDWDAEhca6moTVg how do I fix the mirror issue ;(
[04:39] <donofrio> (ignore onedrive login)
[04:42] <donofrio> how do I get my video working in ubuntu "[AMD/ATI] RV530/M56-P [Mobility Radeon X1600]" I also have two Bus 001 Device 003: ID 17e9:4324/Bus 001 Device 005: ID 17e9:4324 that are only mirroring internal imac display (https://apaste.info/D7EM)
[04:48] <oerheks> IIRC there is a restriction to 3 monitors, with the open source radeon driver ??
[04:48] <oerheks> "  without any need to create or edit an xorg.conf file"  https://askubuntu.com/questions/106683/any-really-decent-way-to-get-three-monitors
[05:00] <JTech> w-what's in sosreport?
[05:01] <kneeki> Is there an Apache channel?
[05:02] <oerheks> kneeki, sure, #apache2 and #ubuntu-server ofcourse
[05:02] <oerheks> !alis
[05:03] <kneeki> gotcha! thanks
[05:08] <donofrio> oerheks, context the imac has a 20 inch (I believe) I have a external connector that the imac provides then I have two "Plugable UGA-3000" usb to dvi adaptors
[05:08] <donofrio> oerheks, so I'm only use dualhead from the imac and each uga apator is a seprate video card
[05:09] <donofrio> but it's mirroring the secondry output from the imac now (positions ok now but want to pit imac and monitor ion that table where they are now...or get usb 3.0 hub and two more connectors to drive th elft monitors
[05:10] <oerheks> donofrio, oh 2 cargs, i have no experience with that, if it is a static setup, i would write an xorg.conf too
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: perhaps try with xrandr also?
[05:10] <oerheks> c/cargs/cards
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | donofrio
[05:10] <donofrio> once I figure out positioning of these...would like to rerun this wiard gui script I seen first time it asked left or right....;(
[05:12] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, xrandr reports https://apaste.info/n85T
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: xrandr --auto fixes anything?
[05:13] <donofrio> nope, still mirrored
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: ok, graphics drivers installed correctly also?
[05:15] <donofrio> seems to be in that the pluggable are detected
[05:15] <donofrio> not worred about the ati yet
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: doublecheck sudo lshw -C video to make sure nothing shows unclaimed
[05:17] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, only shows built in video https://apaste.info/YQSv
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: but you said dont mind the ati?
[05:19] <donofrio> well I do want ati refresh working and I've not tired yet but would even more like the no mirroring but have four working displays
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: lsusb shows your usb to dvi converter?
[05:22] <donofrio> I used to have a notebook with two dvi out and the two pluggable running four monitors under windows 10 https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoKBbXWXOkBukPnyo5A now I'm on ubuntu on  my imac cause I gave back the notebook to work.
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: wich ubuntu are you on?
[05:23] <donofrio> how do I get my video working in ubuntu "[AMD/ATI] RV530/M56-P [Mobility Radeon X1600]" I also have two Bus 001 Device 003: ID 17e9:4324/Bus 001 Device 005: ID 17e9:4324 that are only mirroring internal imac display (https://apaste.info/D7EM)
[05:23] <donofrio> that paste shows ubuntu version
[05:24] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, lsusb output https://apaste.info/l6yD
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-set-up-multiple-monitors-in-linux/
[05:28] <za1b1tsu> hello
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: welcome, what can we do for you?
[05:28] <za1b1tsu> I am using ubuntu gnome and I have this boink sound when I do a mistake, press backspace too much on login etc
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: that sound is normal
[05:29] <za1b1tsu> can I get rid of it, without getting rid of notifications sounds?
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: you could also not hit backspace too much so sound doesnt boink?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: click username, enter password?
[05:30] <za1b1tsu> it's not only that when I press some wrong key combinations as well. I just gave an example when I hear it.
[05:30] <za1b1tsu> I'm new man, I will learn, but the sound is annyoing that's all
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: settings/sound/effects is what you look for?
[05:32] <za1b1tsu> yeah but that would disable all notifications
[05:33] <za1b1tsu> I would like to choose when to hear it or not
[05:34] <lol-md5> running `umake android android-studio` gives me this error:
[05:35] <lol-md5> ERROR: https://dl.google.com/dl/android/studio/ide-zips/3.0.1.0/android-studio-ide-171.4443003-linux.zip couldn't finish download: The checksum of https://dl.google.com/dl/android/studio/ide-zips/3.0.1.0/android-studio-ide-171.4443003-linux.zip doesn't match. Corrupted download? Aborting.
[05:35] <lol-md5> i get that twice
[05:35] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, best comment in that link "beware this is at least 9 years old "
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: cant you lower volume for each sound as you wish?
[05:37] <za1b1tsu> maybe I don't understand something. I can lower the sound, but I lower it for all notifications no?
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: mm just tested cant change speratly
[05:40] <JJLuna> 23z1b1tsu: I doubt that is possible atm
[05:40] <JJLuna> za1b1tsu*: I doubt that is possible atm
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: maybe check on dconf-editor?
[05:40] <za1b1tsu> oh well, I changed it to something less annoying 'Glass'
[05:41] <za1b1tsu> lotuspsychje, JJLuna Thank you for your contributions
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !info dconf-editor | za1b1tsu
[05:46] <oerheks> lol-md5, there is a snap > sudo snap install android-studio --classic --candidate
[05:46] <lol-md5> hel no
[05:46] <lol-md5> i won't use snap cause it's centralized
[05:46] <lol-md5> i mean so is umake
[05:46] <lol-md5> but still :P
[05:47] <lol-md5> and IIRC all devs have to agree to some canonical agreement when they submit to snap
[05:47] <lol-md5> i would rather use flatpak tbh, although i wish that worked on headless boxes
[05:48] <jnewt> trying to get vnc session or preferably teamviewer on my desktop from my laptop.  it seems my de is not responding to teamviewers requests, i'm seeing errors like MonitorInfo.GetShownMonitorInfo() Invalid monitor: iIndex=0 iMonitorCount=0
[05:48] <oerheks> .. not sure i understand your arguments, you would get the same android, why do you prefer umake over snap?
[06:01] <lol-md5> isn't snap virtualized
[06:01] <lol-md5> oerheks,
[06:01] <oerheks> you can run android studio in kvm, i read this in the installer somewhere
[06:01] <oerheks> .. but headless?
[06:02] <jnewt> sudo start lightdm or sudo service lightdm start should start up everthing needed for a de right?  or is there other stuff that i need to do like mate-session 16.04 LTS ubuntu
[06:03] <oerheks> https://github.com/uw-it-aca/spacescout-android/wiki/1.-Setting-Up-Android-Studio-on-Ubuntu#install-intels-kvm-for-better-avd-performance
[06:14] <JJLuna> jnewt: systemctl start lightdm should do it
[06:15] <jnewt> JJLuna: shouldn't xrandr give some output after lightdm is started?
[06:16] <JJLuna> jnewt: what output?
[06:17] <jnewt> JJLuna, something about the connected displays
[06:17] <jnewt> anything really, all i get is this:
[06:17] <lol-md5> oerheks: i don't run it headless
[06:17] <lol-md5> i was just disliking how flatpak doesn't like headless
[06:17] <lol-md5> thanks oerheks
[06:17] <lol-md5> for the link
[06:17] <jnewt> Can't open display
[06:17] <oerheks> oh i see, have fun!
[06:18] <rumflump> is there a way to stop apt-get from continuing to downlaod a large file (flashplugin-installer) but allow it to install the other software updates that it has already downloaded?
[06:19] <JJLuna> jnerwt: Are you able to boot into lightdm? And subsequently into MATE?
[06:20] <oerheks> rumflump, not that i know of, you could use pinning before apt-get, or remove flash
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> rumflump: keep it install and purge after like oerheks suggests
[06:20] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, got it working but it's ssooooo slow to refresh the two screens - https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL4zQo9XvZWdUNfvOA
[06:20] <JJLuna> rumflump: can't you hold packages?
[06:21] <rumflump> okdokey. that's what I get for blindly accepting the whole kit and caboodle with apt-get upgrade :)
[06:21] <jnewt> JJLuna, yeah, when I'm local I can boot into the system just fine.  and normally when not, like now, i use teamviewer, but it can't seem to connect to a display for some reason, and i'm not too well versed with the xorg / lightdm / mate-session xrandr stuff enough to figure out why everything thinks i have no display or monitors
[06:21] <rumflump> at 40 kb/sec you have a lot of time to feel regret
[06:22] <JJLuna> rumflump: apt-mark hold flashplugin-installer
[06:22] <donofrio> that was don by disalbleing the right top monitor then I could move the displays that felt position locked around then I applyed it actved the output and put it next to left top screen and apply and poof it's the way I want it but man is it slow
[06:23] <rumflump> oh, that's what you meant by hold. willdo, thanks!
[06:23] <rumflump> after a ctrl z right?
[06:24] <JJLuna> rumflump: flash is cancer, be sure to remove it later :)
[06:24] <tatertots> jnewt: do you have "physical" access to both computers right now? yes or no
[06:24] <jnewt> no
[06:25] <tatertots> jnewt: okay
[06:25] <rumflump> yeah
[06:25] <rumflump> away with it and a few other things
[06:25] <rumflump> gonna hold papyrus icons too, that's a huuuuge download and I don't need the latest
[06:25] <tatertots> jnewt: you do not have "physical" access to the computer you are having trouble with? true or false
[06:25] <jnewt> true
[06:26] <tatertots> jnewt: the computer you are having trouble with is at a remote location? true or false
[06:26] <jnewt> true
[06:27] <tatertots> jnewt: you can, via ANY method access the remote computer? true or false
[06:27] <jnewt> true
[06:27] <tatertots> jnewt: you have established remote access to the remote computers terminal right now? yes or no
[06:28] <jnewt> yes
[06:28] <tatertots> jnewt: in the remote computers terminal enter the following
[06:28] <tatertots> jnewt: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[06:28] <tatertots> jnewt: let me know when done
[06:29] <jnewt> done
[06:29] <tatertots> jnewt: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[06:29] <tatertots> jnewt: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link...say so
[06:31] <jnewt> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26383028/
[06:33] <donofrio> fwiw mine is http://paste.ubuntu.com/26383038/
[06:33] <donofrio> at least all four displays are working no more mirroring
[06:33] <donofrio> just sooooo slow on top monitors when playing youtube
[06:34] <tatertots> jnewt: you want to see a GUI/graphical user interface on this computer? true or false
[06:34] <jnewt> true
[06:34] <tatertots> jnewt: then houston we have a problem
[06:35] <tatertots> jnewt: Display Server: N/
[06:35] <tatertots> jnewt: Display Server: N/A
[06:35] <tatertots> jnewt: just take a look at your "Graphics" section
[06:35] <tatertots> jnewt: that ain't looking right at all
[06:36] <tatertots> jnewt: not if you want a GUI
[06:36] <tatertots> with teamviewer remotely and all
[06:36] <tatertots> jnewt: you need a display server runnning
[06:36] <tatertots> jnewt: and from what i gather...you do not have a display server running
[06:37] <tatertots> jnewt: now there may be a logical explanation that you personally may have for this....but i don't have that information
[06:38] <tatertots> jnewt: under normal healthy circumstances that is where i'd expect to see if you were a wayland user or Xorg user
[06:39] <tatertots> jnewt: but in this / your circumstance
[06:39] <tatertots> jnewt: X appears to be N/A
[06:39] <jnewt> there's no logical reason.  i installed the os, when i am at the machine i log it and have a display, when i am away, i can use teamviewer if i need a gui.  until today.  i have no special circumstances other than it's dual boot with a couple of shared partitions.
[06:40] <jnewt> something happened since either yesterday when i used the machine physically, or between now and the last time i used teamviewer.
[06:40] <tatertots> jnewt: would you mind if i ask you a few simple yes or no questions in order to gather more detail about your symptom(s) and or ailments?
[06:41] <jnewt> that's fine.
[06:42] <tatertots> jnewt: when did you first notice and or observe the symptom?
[06:43] <jnewt> today, approximately 2 hours ago
[06:43] <tatertots> jnewt: sudo apt install sosreport
[06:43] <tatertots> jnewt: let me know when done
[06:45] <jnewt> done
[07:09] <ryo> did anyone tried mrtg in ubuntu ?
[07:11] <ryo> ubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www/mrtg$ sudo indexmaker --output=/var/www/mrtg/index.html /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg ERROR: did not find any matching data in cfg file
[07:13] <ryo> any one know why get this error ?  what kind of data missing ? shall i input manually?
[07:13] <oerheks> i think you want  /etc/mrtg.cfg  .,.,. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-and-configure-mrtg-on-ubuntu-16-04-server.html
[07:14] <oerheks> indexmaker /etc/mrtg.cfg > /var/www/html/mrtg/index.html
[07:15] <oerheks> and the work dir is /var/www/html/mrtg
[07:15] <ryo> @oerheks    yes , i reference this https://www.iceflatline.com/2009/08/how-to-install-and-configure-mrtg-on-ubuntu-server/
[07:15] <oerheks> are you on 14.04 LTS???
[07:15] <ryo> ok ,i will try now
[07:15] <oerheks> it has changed, if i read correctly
[07:16] <ryo> 16.04 lts
[07:16] <oerheks> oke, then that 2009 howto is a little outdated. maybe there are more hint in this newer one.. have fun!
[07:17] <ryo>   -_- !
[07:29] <ryo> ubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www/mrtg$ sudo systemctl snmpd restart Unknown operation snmpd.
[07:30] <ryo> i had installed snmpd snmp properly ,  but command not recogliz
[07:30] <ryo> whats happening
[07:31] <oerheks> enable it first?
[07:32] <oerheks> sudo systemctl snmpd enable
[07:32] <JJLuna> ryo: wrong format
[07:32] <ryo> ubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www/mrtg$ sudo systemctl snmpd restart Unknown operation snmpd.
[07:32] <JJLuna> ryo: you meant sudo systemctl restart snmpd
[07:32] <ryo> looks same ,master
[07:33] <JJLuna> ryo: they're not
[07:33] <oerheks> systemctl status snmpd
[07:33] <ryo> JJLUna ,    u r right ,its works  ,my command wrong
[07:41] <ryo> ubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www/html$ sudo cfgmaker @ > /etc/mrtg.cfg bash: /etc/mrtg.cfg: Permission denied
[07:41] <ryo> master ,what about his
[07:44] <JJLuna> ryo: did you redact anything?
[07:44] <JJLuna> ryo: or did you literally type that?
[07:45] <JJLuna> ryo: by redact i am referring to user and ip
[07:45] <ducasse> ryo: the user 'ubuntu' does not have permission to write to /etc
[07:46] <JJLuna> ryo: sudo bash -c "cfgmaker user@ip > /etc/mrtg.cfg"
[07:46] <ryo> ok ,i get it , website just give the command sample
[07:47] <ryo>  i should put   sudo cfgmaker  public@localhost  > /etc/mrtg.cfg
[07:47] <JJLuna> Should work as well
[07:47] <ryo> same permission deined
[07:48] <ryo> i will try ur command JJLuna
[07:49] <ryo> ubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www/html$ sudo cfgmaker public@localhost >/etc/mrtg.cfg bash: /etc/mrtg.cfg: Permission denied ubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www/html$ sudo bash -C "cfgmaker public@localhost >/etc/mrtg.cfg" bash: cfgmaker public@localhost >/etc/mrtg.cfg: No such file or directory
[07:49] <ryo> but /etc/mrtg.cfg its true exist ,
[07:49] <JJLuna> ryo: make sure you substitute public and localhost with your own
[07:49] <ryo> u meant /etc/hosts file ?
[07:50] <ryo> 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.1.1 ubuntu
[07:50] <ryo>  its there
[07:51] <JJLuna> ryo: I don't think you have a 'public' user acc
[07:51] <JJLuna> ryo: that's just an example, don't copy it blindly
[07:52] <ryo> public its not community of SNMP ?  its meant a user name of OS?
[07:52] <ryo> omg
[07:52] <ryo> shall i put root@localhost
[07:53] <oerheks> maybe it is a space typo .. sudo bash -C "cfgmaker public@localhost > /etc/mrtg.cfg"
[07:53] <oerheks> not sure, why not just: sudo cfgmaker public@localhost > /etc/mrtg.cfg
[07:54] <ducasse> shouldn't that be a 'c', not 'C'?
[07:54] <ryo>  oerheks i do as follow http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-and-configure-mrtg-on-ubuntu-16-04-server.html
[07:55] <JJLuna> ryo: give me some time
[07:55] <JJLuna> ryo: i haven't been following earlier convos
[07:55] <ducasse> try 'sudo cfgmaker public@localhost | sudo tee -a /etc/mrtg.cfg'
[07:57] <ryo> ducasse , it works ...    maybe   ">" need  root permission too
[07:57] <ducasse> ryo: you need root permissions on the right side of it, yes
[08:00] <JJLuna> ryo: I've just finished the setup, I got past that by going into root using sudo su
[08:00] <JJLuna> ryo: although it's probably not recommended
[08:00] <ryo>   ducasse ,  if in the future i face samiliar case where to  insert sudo again ?
[08:00] <ryo> sudo cfgmaker public@host | sudo > /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg   like this ?
[08:01] <oerheks> sudo -i # would be the ubuntu way
[08:01] <JJLuna> ryo: to avoid this you can just go into sudo -i
[08:01] <JJLuna> yeah
[08:01] <oerheks> something with environment trouble, not sure what
[08:01] <ducasse> ryo: use tee like i showed you
[08:03] <cyphex> Hey, can anyone tell me if ubuntu GNOME 17.04 suffers from the same kernel bug as 17.10?
[08:04] <JJLuna> cyphex: Hi! What kernel bug
[08:04] <cyphex> JJLuna: wow, didn't expect to see you here
[08:04] <cyphex> the one where it corrupts your bios after you boot it
[08:04] <cyphex> on some machines at least
[08:04] <JJLuna> cyphex: Are you converting to Ubuntu for real?
[08:05] <cyphex> don't ask
[08:05] <JJLuna> cyphex: oh yes you're on a lenovo
[08:05] <cyphex> yeah
[08:05] <oerheks> cyphex, 17.04 won' t be patched, so yes
[08:05] <oerheks> and is EOL now
[08:05] <cyphex> thanks
[08:06] <cyphex> oh, one more thing, what's the latest kernel release on LTS?
[08:06] <ducasse> actually, no - afaik 17.04 did not have that bug
[08:06] <JJLuna> cyphex: isn't 17.04 reaching EOL soon?
[08:07] <oerheks> !17.04
[08:07] <cyphex> bummer
[08:07] <JJLuna> Okay my bad
[08:07] <oerheks> unfortunatly not a friday :-(
[08:07] <cyphex> I guess I'll go with the LTS version then
[08:08] <cyphex> have the meltdown patches rolled out yet?
[08:08] <JJLuna> cyphex: Are you actually doing this lmao
[08:08] <cyphex> don't tell anyone
[08:08] <oerheks> !kpti
[08:08] <cyphex> thank you
[08:09] <cyphex> JJLuna: remember, if anyone asks, I'm still on gentoo
[08:09] <oerheks> have fun!
[08:09] <JJLuna> cyphex: got it
[08:09] <oerheks> i think it is just a markething thingy, to boost intel sales
[08:14] <ryo> JJLuna,  when u did this ,    indexmaker /etc/mrtg.cfg > /var/www/html/mrtg/index.html    have u got error
[08:14] <ryo> i got error "did not find any match data in cfg file"
[08:15] <JJLuna> ryo: which guide are you using? This step wasn't present in the one you sent
[08:15] <ryo> am using this one http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-and-configure-mrtg-on-ubuntu-16-04-server.html
[08:16] <ryo> ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/mrtg$ sudo indexmaker /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg | sudo tee -a  /var/www/html/mrtg/index.html ERROR: did not find any matching data in cfg file
[08:16] <JJLuna> ryo: 1 minute
[08:17] <ducasse> ryo: didn't you use /etc/mrtg.cfg in the previous step?
[08:18] <oerheks> ducasse, +1
[08:18] <ryo> i saw in his case  /etc/mrtg.cfg , in my cases  its /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg
[08:18] <JJLuna> ryo: this guide is error prone
[08:18] <ryo> localtion need fixed ?
[08:19] <JJLuna> ryo: one second
[08:20] <JJLuna> ryo: i purged them all, so gotta redo
[08:22] <ryo> i guess its my fault , in the begining  mrtg.cfg  should not move anyway , i will do again also
[08:24] <JJLuna> ryo: wait
[08:25] <JJLuna> ryo: give me a minute
[08:28] <JJLuna> ryo: Solved it.
[08:28] <ryo> whats  the point?
[08:29] <ryo> @JJluna
[08:29] <JJLuna> ryo: That command indexmaker /etc/mrtg.cfg > /var/www/html/mrtg/index.html is not needed
[08:30] <JJLuna> ryo: unless you run into an error during 'cfgmaker public@localhost > /etc/mrtg.cfg'
[08:30] <ryo> that's a plan of failure safe?
[08:30] <ryo>  -_-!
[08:30] <JJLuna> ryo: never mind, br
[08:30] <JJLuna> bbrb*
[08:31] <JJLuna> ryo: this guide is rubbish
[08:31] <oerheks> :-(
[08:31] <cyphex> what are you guys trying to do?
[08:31] <oerheks> sorry to passed that guide, i thought it would be verified
[08:33] <ryo> its ok bro ,i am just trying someting funny in mrtg , to monitor home servers . nothing serious
[08:34] <ryo> prevously i saw in IDC center using this  monitor network , interst
[08:36] <Narret> Hi! I'm creating an ISO for Ubuntu 17.10 so that I can dual boot, and I was wondering if I could ask a couple of questions while that loads?
[08:36] <JJLuna> ryo: getting close
[08:37] <oerheks> Narret, make sure you have 17.10.1 http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10.1/
[08:38] <Narret> Is 17.10 also Artful Aardvark, or is that just 17.10.1?
[08:38] <oerheks> Narret, it is also aardvark, but without the bios trouble
[08:39] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes#Known_issues
[08:39] <Narret> Oh. Is that for the Intel CPU issues, or the laptop booting issues?
[08:40] <oerheks> it is not an intel bug, that is spectre and that other one that came into light after new year
[08:41] <XXCoder> meltdown
[08:41] <oerheks> yeah, i was thinking about fukushima..
[08:41] <Narret> Alright, I checked and I'm making an ISO of 17.10.1
[08:41] <oerheks> oke, your good
[08:41] <Narret>  :)
[08:43] <Narret> So I was wondering about something else, too. I have a 250gb SSD and I'm planning on adding a 1TB HDD when I get around to it in the future. If I'm partitioning my SSD to give Windows 150gb and Linux 100 for examlpe, will I also be able to split up the HDD so that both OSes can use portions of it?
[08:44] <oerheks> you can, but ubuntu can read/write to ntfs, for data only, not for programs.
[08:45] <oerheks> ntfs does not support file permissions
[08:45] <Narret> Oh, so I could just keep a big folder for files to use in Linux and keep my programs on the SSD?
[08:46] <Narret> That'd probably the best idea anyways since the SSD will affect program load times the most
[08:46] <oerheks> Narret, jups, most of us do, so any reinstall won' t hurt your data
[08:47] <oerheks> ssd is fun, not the speed, but the 0 sec seektime gives performance
[08:48] <Narret> Wait, what about a reinstall?
[08:49] <Narret> Sorry if there's something I'm missing here, I have really little Linux experience in the past
[08:50] <oerheks> if you wipe and reinstall, normally your data is gone, if you usse your 2nd hdd as data drive, it is safe
[08:50] <oerheks> you *could* reserve space for linux/ext4 to store data, but ntfs will do fine too
[08:52] <punkgeek> hello, is there any good virtual keyboard for kubuntu 16.04? I can't find any good virtual keyboard for plasma 5.8
[08:53] <Narret> Oh, so I don't need to reinstall but if I did do it I could save my files on the HDD?
[08:53] <oerheks> Narret, sure
[08:54] <oerheks> punkgeek, kvkbd is a good virtual keyboard
[08:54] <Narret> Alright, thanks for clearing that up with me :)
[08:55] <JJLuna> ryo: try this
[08:56] <JJLuna> ryo: head over into your router settings, enable SNMP
[08:56] <oerheks> OnBoard works too, and there is also QtVirtualKeyboard for the Wayland session
[08:56] <JJLuna> ryo: when using cfgmaker, substitute 'localhost' with your default gateway
[08:59] <punkgeek> oerheks, how can i install that on kubuntu 16.04?
[09:01] <ryo> @JJLuna ,   am doing uninstall everthing , ensure enviroment clean  . want startover again
[09:01] <oerheks> lika all other software, via Konsole or Muon softwarecenter? or install detailled softwarecenter KPackageKit
[09:01] <oerheks> Muon gives metapackages only, IIRC
[09:01] <ryo>  yesterday i tried another guide , finally get samilar error , only can open apache pages
[09:02] <ryo> same as today
[09:07] <JJLuna> ryo: solved it :)
[09:13] <JJLuna> Dude I just solved it T_T
[09:14] <JJLuna> oerheks: you there?
[09:15] <oerheks> jups
[09:15] <JJLuna> oerheks: I gotta roll soon. I'll write down the instructions. Can you paste the link to him IF he ever comes back?
[09:16] <oerheks> JJLuna, i' ll be here for another 30 minutes, so maybe i can..
[09:16] <JJLuna> oerheks: if you ever see him again that is, lol
[09:17] <oerheks> oh, ryo is a regular customer :-D
[09:18] <JJLuna> getting to it now
[09:19] <oerheks> JJLuna, you might want to post it on http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-and-configure-mrtg-on-ubuntu-16-04-server.html too ..
[09:23] <oerheks> brb
[09:43] <JJLuna> oerheks: I'm done
[09:57] <cmanns> If you auto purge packages, does it remove config files etc?
[10:00] <linus1> Hi folks. I'm trying to use ubuntu in a systemd-nspawn container, and makedev doesn't seem to like that (understandably). What's the most appropriate solution? AFAIU systemd-nspawn takes care of what makedev otherwise would, so I could just uninstall makedev but that also removes ubuntu-minimal
[10:01] <linus1> I could also disable the makedev service while keeping the makedev and ubuntu-minimal packages around, which seems like the most appropriate thing to do, but if anyone can correct me on that please do :)
[10:02] <linus1> oh hm makedev's package description says it shouldn't even be necessary on modern linux systems because udev essentially replaces it. Any particular reason ubuntu-minimal depends on it then?
[10:03] <linus1> uh, just saw that makedev is in fact not a systemd service. So scratch that solution
[10:06] <LCLHAGO> hi
[10:08] <MJCDwork> hola I am using a bluetooth headset and its working fine
[10:08] <MJCDwork> when I was using xubuntu
[10:08] <MJCDwork> the headset media controls (next, pause etc etc)
[10:08] <MJCDwork> all worked
[10:08] <MJCDwork> now on ubuntu 17 it shows a crossed circle sign
[10:09] <MJCDwork> like its gotten the message it just isnt passing it to youtube like xubuntu did by default
[10:09] <MJCDwork> wanting to get it working that way
[10:10] <MJCDwork> not have to come all the way back to the pc just to change the song or pause lol
[10:12] <MJCDwork> I think its setup by default to try and send those to the default music player
[10:13] <MJCDwork> rather than the focused window
[10:39] <pankaj> clear
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:47] <tatertots> howdy
[10:54] <BluesKaj> hi tatertots
[11:01] <BluesKaj> I'm up too early as usual :/
[11:09] <dbugger> Hello everyonz
[11:10] <dbugger>  have a very serious problem! My system does not want to boot! Most of the time, when i start my PC, I get a read error. Some times I might get a GRUB rescue, and once I managed to lon into my Ubuntu 17.10. Not even using the USB stick to install Ubuntu seems to work some times. What is going on??? What could I do?
[11:11] <dbugger> Please somebody help me :(
[11:22] <Der_Keks> Hello, is there a RSS-feed for torrent downloads of new ubuntu versions?
[11:23] <blackflow> dbugger: sounds like hardware issues ,if it's not consistently the same kind of error
[11:33] <dbugger> blackflow, i am gonna trz rechecking the sata cables...
[11:34] <dbugger> wow, seems like it worked
[11:34] <dbugger> o_O
[11:44] <b2v> hello everybody
[11:45] <pankaj> Hello
[11:46] <PTNapivoski> Hello
[12:03] <pankaj> Hello
[12:13] <steenman> hi
[12:29] <csravikmr> hi all
[12:29] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[12:29] <raddy> I am currently compressing a folder using tar -zcvf
[12:30] <csravikmr> i am new to this... and i am looking for some help
[12:30] <csravikmr> anyone willing to help me with ubuntu 17.10 issue?
[12:30] <raddy> Can i interupt the compressing process ?
[12:30] <MJCDwork> hey all- im following this - https://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Flashing_the_SD_Card_using_Linux_.28including_on_a_Raspberry_Pi.21.29
[12:30] <raddy> Or the files be already included in the archive ?
[12:30] <MJCDwork> step 4 is "Install the ImageWriter tool from the Ubuntu Software Center"
[12:31] <MJCDwork> but it doesnt come up for me in the ubuntu software center or synaptic
[12:32] <MJCDwork> rufus on windows might work but idk any other tools in ubuntu
[12:32] <MJCDwork> so I want this one to work
[12:34] <fishcooker> how to remapping the keyboard shortcut ?
[12:36] <rumenaccio> caiao tutti
[12:36] <MJCDwork> fishcooker, its just in the Settings app
[12:37] <fishcooker> which one , MJCDwork
[12:37] <fishcooker> i have buggy keyboard here
[12:37] <MJCDwork> fishcooker, there's only 1 official settings app in ubuntu
[12:37] <MJCDwork> so its in there haha
[12:37] <TJ-> MJCDwork: It's as easy to use the command line.
[12:37] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[12:37] <fishcooker> and buggy touchpad
[12:38] <MJCDwork> TJ-, the frontends just use the cli stuff
[12:38] <MJCDwork> so if the frontend isnt finding it idk why cli would
[12:38] <raddy> Wouldn't tar -zcvf doesn't free up space in while compression is going on ?
[12:38] <kostkon> MJCDwork, you could try with etcher https://etcher.io/
[12:38] <MJCDwork> ill update my apt just to be sure
[12:38] <kostkon> MJCDwork, good all around image burn tool
[12:38] <TJ-> MJCDwork: identify the SDcard /dev/XXX node using  "udisksctl status", then "sudo dd if=<path/to/raspi.img> of=/dev/XXX bs=20M status=progress"
[12:39] <raddy> Please help me
[12:39] <MJCDwork> kostkon, ill check that out - I use rufus on windows
[12:39] <kostkon> MJCDwork, https://github.com/resin-io/etcher#debian-and-ubuntu-based-package-repository-gnulinux-x86x64
[12:39] <MJCDwork> kostkon, great - thank you very much
[12:39] <MJCDwork> ill take a look
[12:39] <kostkon> MJCDwork, np
[12:40] <raddy> tar -zcvf won't free up space in the process of compression ?
[12:40] <pankaj> what is difference between kicking and kickban a user?
[12:41] <dstushar7>  I got a problem with my terminal. Any experts here?
[12:41] <MJCDwork> pankaj, if they're banned they cant come back
[12:41] <MJCDwork> generally for 24 hours
[12:41] <MJCDwork> unless its someone extremely problematic
[12:41] <MJCDwork> !ask @ dstushar7
[12:41] <pankaj> MJCDwork: Was it about kick or kickban?
[12:42] <MJCDwork> pankaj, kickban
[12:42] <dstushar7> ls command colors not working
[12:42] <MJCDwork> with a kick you can rejoin immediately
[12:42] <pankaj> MJCDwork: So, what about kickban?
[12:42] <MJCDwork> and will do so if you have autojoin enabled
[12:42] <MJCDwork> kickban you cannot, generally speaking
[12:42] <pankaj> MJCDwork: OK, understood.
[12:43] <MJCDwork> kostkon, installing now :D
[12:44] <dstushar7> @MJCDwork The ls command colors are not working.
[12:44] <csravikmr> hi all .. i receive a dialog saying "error found when loading /home/ravi/.profile:" how to fix it???
[12:44] <kostkon> MJCDwork, thumbs up :)
[12:44] <csravikmr> i am using ubuntu 17.10
[12:44] <MJCDwork> dstushar7, I have no idea what you are talking about and dont really care lol
[12:44] <MJCDwork> <3
[12:45] <dstushar7> Ahhhh thanks for your co operation -_-
[12:45] <MJCDwork> csravikmr, perhaps try just recreating your profile
[12:45] <alkisg> csravikmr: can you paste a screenshot? Also, what's the output of sh -n ~/.profile
[12:46] <csravikmr> thanks for reply but.. how to paste the .profile??? where??? sorry ... i am new here..
[12:51] <midnight> Hey there. If anyone of the Ubuntu Wiki Editors team is reading this, I'd really appreciate him or her to write me a PM. Thanks in advance.
[12:51] <Oliver_> hi having trouble with chrooting a user
[12:51] <saberu> sshd[4439]: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/srv/"
[12:52] <saberu> tried setting chown root and 755 etc on the srv directory subcomponent
[12:52] <csravikmr> ^G Get Help  ^O Write Out ^W Where Is  ^K Cut Text  ^J Justify   ^C Cur Pos
[12:52] <csravikmr> ^X Exit      ^R Read File ^\ Replace   ^U Uncut Text^T To Spell  ^_ Go To Line
[12:52] <csravikmr> sorry
[12:55] <TJ-> saberu: what is "ChrootDirectory" set to in sshd_config ?
[12:57] <TJ-> saberu: check all the path with "find /srv -type d -ls"
[12:59] <MJCDwork> hey im following a guide telling me to install ImageWriter from the ubuntu software centre but I just did an update and its still not showing up?
[12:59] <saberu> find /srv -type d -ls shows quite a long list. specifically im chrooting against a directory like /srv/sites/homedir/
[13:02] <csravikmr> hi all .. i receive a dialog saying "error found when loading /home/ravi/.profile:" how to fix it???
[13:02] <saberu> ChrootDirectory /srv/sites/awsmgiveaways/ for Match Group sftp
[13:02] <saberu>  
[13:03] <saberu> that's the actual directory i want the user to use
[13:08] <TJ-> saberu: ensure that all directories in the path "/srv/sites/awsmgiveaways/" have correct ownership and permissions then
[13:09] <saberu> alright TJ thanks
[13:10] <Borw3> Gaming on ubuntu? is there any real hopes?
[13:14] <blackflow> Borw3: there's over two thousand linux native games on steam, plus a lot of windows only games work fine through Wine. Those two satisfy all my gaming needs.
[13:18] <Borw3> You know how Windows games get hacked, and are available for free? Does Ubuntu have any such games?
[13:19] <blackflow> oh you mean the malware-infested ones? No.
[13:20] <Borw3> blackflow: None? why? or is it cause no one is bothered?
[13:20] <blackflow> !warez
[13:22] <Borw3> By the way, do Ubuntu Gnome guys get automatic update to Ubuntu 18.04 LTS?
[13:24] <Ubuntivity> Hello. During the boot-up of my Ubuntu 16.04 I get the following error message which disables the boot splash: "acer_wmi: Unsupported machine has AMW0_GUID1, unable to load"
[13:24] <Borw3> Ubuntivity: Does it boot eventually?
[13:24] <u0_a199> hi all
[13:25] <Ubuntivity> Borw3: Yes it does, and the wireless works normally. BTW my laptop is a Lenovo Ideapad
[13:25] <u0_a199> for me to same laptop
[13:26] <Ubuntivity> Borw3: But I want to have bootsplash to remain active during all boot process
[13:26] <Borw3> Yesterday I updated my Ubuntu budgie 16.04LTS, and got the new Kernel 4.13.x and now my wifi signal is week on rt3290 card.
[13:26] <Borw3> I think it's this new Kernel.
[13:26] <Ubuntivity> hello u0_a199. Does your laptop show the same error message?
[13:27] <Borw3> Manually installing my drivers on kernel 4.13.x removes it completely, as in, Ubuntu won't even realise I have wifi driver.
[13:28] <Ubuntivity> Borw3: I had poor-signal problem when I was using 12.04 x32. Switching to 12.04 x64 solved the problem at that time. Not sure if this might be related somehow
[13:29] <Borw3> Ubuntivity: You use rt3290 wifi card too?
[13:29] <Fogey> Anyone else had a problem with the latest update for 16.04.3?
[13:29] <DocVell> my laptop doesn't support it - only up to version 15.10
[13:30] <Ubuntivity> Borw3: No, I use Atheros thingy
[13:30] <DocVell> mine is due to the graphics "card"
[13:30] <Borw3> ;-( Lucky. RT3290 support seems to being killed by linux
[13:31] <Ubuntivity> Borw3: is it an old chip?
[13:31] <DocVell> I kept my cd of it just incase I do get a newer laptop (or desktop) to install it on
[13:31] <lohfu> sudo apt-get update gets stuck at 0%
[13:31] <Borw3> Ubuntivity: It's not old, 3-4 years old, and when I roll back to old kernels signal works strong.
[13:31] <lohfu> nothing in https://askubuntu.com/questions/498462/apt-get-stuck-at-0-working seems to help
[13:32] <lohfu> i can ping all the URLs i see.
[13:32] <Ubuntivity> Borw3: this seems silly and annoying, indeed!
[13:32] <lohfu> this is a brand new vps. i have not run a single command before, besides adding a user
[13:33] <Fogey> #ubuntu-helpteam
[13:33] <Borw3> Ubuntivity: I am back on Windows 10 cause of this kernel 4.13.x update in 16.04LTS.
[13:34] <TJ-> Borw3: I read of a bug recently where the Wifi device has optional multiple antennas, but not all are physically connected, and the default antennas that  were being enabled were not the ones connected! The solution there was to physically move the antenna cables to the default output connectors :)
[13:35] <Borw3> TJ-: Mine is internal on laptop, Antennas aren't movable.
[13:35] <lohfu> anyone have any idea how to solve the problem?
[13:35] <lohfu> my other vps works fine
[13:36] <TJ-> Borw3: yes, I'm talking about mini-PCIe wifi cards internal to the laptop
[13:36] <lohfu> could my IP be blocked for some reason?
[13:36] <Borw3> TJ-: How? by multiple you mean? like two? mine has two antennas, placed behind the screen.
[13:37] <TJ-> Borw3: in the case I read about the card had x3 MIMO but only 1 RF socket was connected to an antenna, and it was the not the default RF socket
[13:37] <Borw3> TJ-: Mine is connected. :-(
[13:38] <TJ-> Borw3: so for example if the device had x3 MIMO and only 2 antennas, and if 1 of those was dedicated to, say, RX-only, strange results might occur.
[13:38] <MJCDwork> sweet
[13:38] <MJCDwork> I got etcher working
[13:38] <MJCDwork> thanks for that whoever it was
[13:38] <MJCDwork> haha
[13:38] <TJ-> Borw3: then I'd look at the wifi kernel module's parameters with "modinof -p <module-name>" (discovered using "lspci -nnk") in case there are tunable parameters you can tweak
[13:39] <TJ-> s/modinof/modinfo/
[13:39] <akik> Borw3: if you think it was the kernel update that made it slower, try booting the older kernel
[13:39] <MJCDwork> hey where do I disable auto screen rotation
[13:39] <MJCDwork> I moved my laptop earlier and it was rotating all over the place lol
[13:39] <lohfu> Fogey: was that meant at me?
[13:39] <Borw3> akik: Old kernel? see when Ubuntu 18.04 comes out, that means support for my wifi card ends in 16.04?
[13:39] <MJCDwork> "You wanted it upside down didnt you?"
[13:40] <akik> Borw3: did you already remove the previous kernel?
[13:41] <lohfu> every single time i try ubuntu some weird error appears and i ask myself why do i even try? going back to arch or fedora i guess.
[13:41] <Borw3> akik: LOL, I removed Ubuntu all through, yesterday after the update. :-). Came here looking for solution to go back to Ubuntu.
[13:41] <Borw3> akik: But old kernel worked well.
[13:42] <akik> Borw3: ok maybe that info got lost somewhere
[13:42] <lohfu> and the lack of help from the community amazes me everytime
[13:43] <Borw3> lohfu: LOL, you tried "sudo apt-get update" get any errors?
[13:43] <lohfu> Borw3: nope
[13:43] <lohfu> just gets stuck at 0%
[13:44] <lohfu> i can ping all address in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:44] <TJ-> lohfu: does "df -h" indicate there's plenty of free space for /var/
[13:44] <Borw3> lohfu: What kernel version you have on?
[13:44] <luoming> ky
[13:45] <lohfu> its openvz vps 2.6.32
[13:45] <luoming> why
[13:45] <MJCDwork> Hey weird question but im trying to get my media keys to work in ubuntu 17
[13:45] <Borw3> lohfu: What kernel is it running on?
[13:45] <TJ-> lohfu: if it's stuck at "0%" as you say, that's the "Reading package lists..." line isn't it, which is *after* the package lists have been fetched
[13:46] <MJCDwork> and when I press skip with youtube open in chrome it shows a cross symbol
[13:46] <lohfu> Borw3: hmmm how i see that?
[13:46] <MJCDwork> meaning it didnt do anything
[13:46] <MJCDwork> but it should be triggering my chrome extension
[13:46] <MJCDwork> so I need those control keys sent to chrome
[13:46] <lohfu> Borw3: it's hosted by hosthatch.com
[13:46] <MJCDwork> im not sure how to achieve that
[13:46] <Borw3> lohfu: uname -r
[13:47] <Borw3> lohfu: "uname -r"
[13:47] <lohfu> Borw3: i thought you meant the kernel version of the parent... the actual VPS is 2.6.32 like i posted
[13:48] <TJ-> lohfu: if it's stuck on reading package lists that suggests the content of the lists is corrupted in some way. Might be a good idea to delete them and re-fetch: "sudo find /var/lib/apt/lists -type f -delete" then "sudo apt update" to refresh
[13:49] <lohfu> TJ-: already tried that... just ran it again to no avail
[13:49] <MJCDwork> where is the USB safe eject in ubuntu
[13:49] <MJCDwork> ;/
[13:50] <Borw3> MJCDwork: I wonder same :-D
[13:50] <MJCDwork> I guess I could use umount
[13:50] <MJCDwork> if I can find its device name
[13:50] <MJCDwork> but it SHOULD be in the gui
[13:50] <Borw3> umount /dev/sdx
[13:50] <MJCDwork> yeah
[13:51] <Borw3> MJCDwork: You using Ubuntu 16.04 Unity?
[13:51] <MJCDwork> or in my case mmcblk0
[13:51] <MJCDwork> no 17
[13:52] <MJCDwork> wayland
[13:52] <TomyLobo> i'm using kubuntu 16.04 on a laptop with an hdmi connector. i figured out how to get sound playing via hdmi, but it doesnt automatically switch back when hdmi is disconnected
[13:52] <Borw3> 17.10?
[13:52] <TomyLobo> is there any gui setting to set up automatic switching to hdmi and back?
[13:52] <MJCDwork> I guess its 17.10
[13:52] <MJCDwork> or close
[13:53] <lohfu> TJ-: ok i just reinstalled the vps... so the very firsty thing i do is `apt-get update` as root but it still gets stuck at 0%
[13:53] <MJCDwork> hmmm this tool tells me its mmcblk0
[13:53] <MJCDwork> but umount says its not mounted
[13:54] <Borw3> MJCDwork: LoL, I don't know :-D
[13:54] <MJCDwork> fuck it im just taking it out
[13:54] <MJCDwork> lol
[13:54] <MJCDwork> DEAL WITH IT SD CARD
[13:54] <Borw3> LOL
[13:54] <TomyLobo> MJCDwork, does mount say it's mounted? :)
[13:54] <TJ-> lohfu: so 'apt update' downloads the package lists then hangs on the "Reading package lists..." ?
[13:55] <MJCDwork> TomyLobo, it definitely isnt now I bloody ripped it out
[13:55] <MJCDwork> stupid to not have a control for it
[13:55] <MJCDwork> 2/10
[13:55] <lohfu> TJ-: no it just freezes at 0%
[13:55] <Borw3> Ubuntu(Linux) LOL
[13:56] <TomyLobo> lohfu, do an "strace -f -e network -o apt-update.log apt update"
[13:56] <lohfu> all i see is 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1560:8001::11)] [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1560:8001::14)] [Connecting to archive.canonical.com (2001:67c:1562::1c)]
[13:56] <lohfu> ok, one sec
[13:56] <TomyLobo> lohfu, ok nm
[13:56] <TomyLobo> that's already pretty clear
[13:56] <TomyLobo> is your ipv6 set up properly?
[13:56] <Borw3> TomyLobo: /how you remember such long commands?
[13:57] <TomyLobo> Borw3, i dont have to
[13:57] <TomyLobo> how do you remember such long sentences? :)
[13:57] <Borw3> TomyLobo: HOW?
[13:57] <lohfu> TomyLobo: its a VPS, i havent done anything to it. just logged in as root
[13:57] <lohfu> TomyLobo: strace is not installed...
[13:57] <TomyLobo> lohfu, well it's going out via ipv6...
[13:58] <TomyLobo> you can try disabling ipv6 and trying again
[13:58] <TJ-> lohfu: "0% what though, you're not providing enough context. We can't see over your shoulder!
[13:58] <TJ-> lohfu: you can try running "sudo apt -o=Debug::pkgAcquire=true update"
[13:58] <lohfu> TJ-: there is literally nothing else written except the URLs its trying to connect to.
[13:58] <Borw3> Ubuntu Y U no support rt3290 wifi?
[13:58] <arun007> Hi I tried to change my splash screen. But now there is only blank screen on boot
[13:58] <TomyLobo> TJ-, does that disable differential updates?
[13:59] <TJ-> TomyLobo: no, it prints extensive debug info about the PkgAcquire process
[13:59] <TomyLobo> oh nm i missed the "Debug::" :D
[14:00] <TomyLobo> TJ-, well it cant connect
[14:00] <TomyLobo> i'd say disable ipv6 and try again
[14:00] <Borw3> :-(...... Ubuntu Y U hate rt3290?
[14:00] <TomyLobo> lohfu, can you type ifconfig and see if you have an ipv4 IP?
[14:00] <TomyLobo> (apart from 127.0.0.1 :D)
[14:01] <lohfu> TJ-: https://ptpb.pw/LSyD
[14:01] <Borw3> :), localhost.
[14:02] <TJ-> lohfu: as TomyLobo said, sort out IPv6: "Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1360:8001::21)]"
[14:02] <TJ-> lohfu: is there a default route? "ip -6 route show"
[14:02] <lohfu> TomyLobo: TJ- https://ptpb.pw/yCeS
[14:02] <lohfu> thats ifconfig
[14:03] <lohfu> TomyLobo: ip -6 route show outputs information
[14:03] <lohfu> oops... TJ- ^
[14:03] <MJCDwork> whats the default hotkey to rotate your display?
[14:03] <MJCDwork> my sensors are being screwy
[14:03] <TJ-> lohfu: so the VM has been given an IPv6  "2a01:6f0:ffff:39f::94a5/64 Scope:Global"
[14:03] <TomyLobo> ah yup, you have no ipv6 address except on that weird interface with the 127.0.0.2 address
[14:04] <MJCDwork> gah
[14:04] <MJCDwork> sorry about that
[14:05] <MJCDwork> accidental ctrl+x instead of ctrl+c
[14:05] <lohfu> so TomyLobo so the VPS installation is faulty?
[14:05] <avrdude> how do i stop windows from overwriting my bootloader?
[14:05] <MJCDwork> can someone answer what the hotkey is to rotate the desktop
[14:05] <Borw3> LOL, Ubuntu Y U hate rt3290?
[14:05] <MJCDwork> avrdude, I dont believe you can
[14:05] <avrdude> it is annoying as **** not being able to boot ubuntu after having used windows
[14:05] <MJCDwork> you have to do it in reverse order
[14:05] <TJ-> lohfu: what's the venet0:0 tunnel for?
[14:05] <MJCDwork> linux first
[14:06] <MJCDwork> windows second
[14:06] <avrdude> what do you mean
[14:06] <TomyLobo> lohfu, i have no idea tbh
[14:06] <MJCDwork> then you can reinstate the ubuntu boot loader if you want
[14:06] <TJ-> lohfu: both ends of the tunnel have the same IPv4 !
[14:06] <MJCDwork> but the windows one is fine too
[14:06] <avrdude> i just want a stable solution that allows me to boot either
[14:06] <TomyLobo> looks like TJ- is more knowledgable :)
[14:06] <avrdude> at present, i cant boot ubuntu
[14:06] <Borw3> lohfu: I would say you got conned with that VPS.
[14:07] <avrdude> why is this so difficult to achieve?
[14:07] <lohfu> TJ-: i am afraid i have no idea...
[14:07] <TJ-> lohfu: is this a default install from the VPS provider?
[14:07] <lohfu> Borw3: the other VPS from the same provider looks exactly the same
[14:07] <lohfu> but works
[14:07] <lohfu> TJ-: yes
[14:07] <TJ-> lohfu: it looks very weird to me, even for a container
[14:07] <MJCDwork> avrdude, as I say
[14:07] <lohfu> TJ-: i have two other ubuntu VPS from there that work fine. with similar ifconfig output
[14:07] <MJCDwork> just do linux first
[14:07] <MJCDwork> then windows
[14:07] <MJCDwork> and use the windows 10 bootloader
[14:08] <MJCDwork> or you can install grub/whatever during the linux install
[14:08] <MJCDwork> :)
[14:08] <avrdude> what do you mean "do linux first" ? can you please be a little more clear
[14:08] <TomyLobo> lohfu, can you try "apt -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update"
[14:08] <MJCDwork> install linux. leave some space free on your drive.
[14:08] <MJCDwork> then install windows.
[14:08] <MJCDwork> into that free space
[14:08] <MJCDwork> then add an entry into the windows bootloader for ubuntu
[14:08] <avrdude> ok, so, thats too late now, what are my options?
[14:09] <lohfu> TomyLobo: yes that worked
[14:09] <TomyLobo> lohfu, you could put that option into apt.conf.d or complain to your provider that ipv6 doesnt work
[14:09] <TomyLobo> your choice :)
[14:10] <MJCDwork> avrdude, here you go man
[14:10] <MJCDwork> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[14:10] <MJCDwork> makes it simple for you
[14:10] <TomyLobo> or disable ipv6 system-wide if you dont need it
[14:10] <lohfu> TomyLobo: is there no way of fixing the ipv6 problem?
[14:10] <MJCDwork> basically just do the boot-repair option from your install option
[14:10] <MJCDwork> and all will be well
[14:10] <TJ-> lohfu: do the other VPS instances fetch over IPv6 ?
[14:10] <MJCDwork> also in your bios make sure secureboot is turned off
[14:11] <MJCDwork> for now
[14:11] <Borw3> Windows, :-(
[14:12] <emmeci> i found a driver incompatibility with 4.13 kernel and AMDGPU-PRO audio driver
[14:12] <emmeci> how and who i need to file this bug?
[14:12] <avrdude> MJCDwork: i dont have a ubuntu disk or usb stick. also, if i do this, i'll just have the same problem again after next time i run windows
[14:13] <zomaar> Lol I am really making a mess for myself
[14:13] <zomaar> I know Yakkety isn't suported so I am not asking for anything
[14:13] <zomaar> But when I upgrade udev to yakkety my modem doesn't work anymore
[14:13] <Borw3> 4.13.x has shit load of incopatibilities, including my rt3290 wifi drivers.
[14:14] <zomaar> Then when I downgrade udev network-manager stops to work
[14:14] <zomaar> Until I downgrade that too
[14:14] <alkisg> avrdude: did you _install_ windows after installing ubuntu, and that has broken your boot loader, or you _just selected/ran_ windows from the boot loader, and that then has broken it?
[14:14] <zomaar> Right
[14:14] <zomaar> I am on the same kernel but I have real issues getting mmcli to recognise my modem
[14:15] <avrdude> alkisg: my laptop came with windows, i freed up some space and installed ubuntu on another partition. after that, i was always using grub to choose what to boot
[14:15] <brainwash> zomaar: is it broken in general, or just with your strange setup?
[14:15] <avrdude> occasionally, when booting, it would just boot straight into windows
[14:15] <lohfu> TJ-: it does not appear so, but not sure
[14:16] <avrdude> alkisg: afaik, i never even ran windows before the problem happened
[14:16] <avrdude> i might be wrong though
[14:16] <zomaar> brainwash: Not entirely sure yet it worked once, but rebooting to Xenial USB fixes it immediately
[14:16] <TomyLobo> avrdude, ah, did you disable windows' quick boot?
[14:16] <avrdude> TomyLobo: yea
[14:16] <TJ-> lohfu: run apt get with the -o=Debug ... option as above on one that works, check the IP addresses shown when the download is done
[14:16] <zomaar> brainwash: Also now rebooting after downgrading udev also fixes it immediately
[14:16] <avrdude> well it might be re-enabled
[14:16] <zomaar> brainwash: There is a small change it works on soft reboots but not on hard boots
[14:16] <zomaar> chance*
[14:16] <alkisg> avrdude: that is usually caused by (1) a bad uefi bios that prefers windows instead of the selected boot loader (grub), or (2) by a big windows update that sets a new boot order. And, you can usually press f12 or whatever your firmware has, for selecting the new boot order.
[14:17] <lohfu> TJ-: yea i ran that command, couldnt see any IP though
[14:17] <lohfu> but disabled ipv6 and it seems to wokr
[14:17] <brainwash> zomaar: I assume that looking at all the changes between the two udev versions isn't an easy task
[14:17] <Borw3> Ubuntu D-:
[14:17] <zomaar> brainwash: But after Xenial USB boot I rebooted and then for once the modem did work!
[14:18] <zomaar> brainwash: So it didn't even always not work
[14:18] <zomaar> brainwash: Yeah it is interesting to see but
[14:18] <zomaar> brainwash: Trouble is not all the dependencies are named with versions
[14:19] <zomaar> Anyway now it works
[14:19] <zomaar> On Xenial versions :p
[14:19] <brainwash> well.. yeah, why not
[14:19] <zomaar> And nothing appears to depend on newer udev yet
[14:19] <brainwash> frankenbuntu
[14:20] <brainwash> it would be interesting to know if the issue is fixed in 17.10 or later
[14:20] <midnight> xfce user here, wondering if unity/gnome desktop is rather cpu or gpu intensive?
[14:20] <zomaar> Yeah my problem is low bandwidth
[14:20] <zomaar> So I cannot go download ISOs
 i found a driver incompatibility with 4.13 kernel and AMDGPU-PRO audio driver
 how and who i need to file this bug?
[14:22] <zomaar> emmeci: In general if you provide informative email people in ubuntu-kernel might respond (mailing list)
[14:22] <brainwash> emmeci: did you test with the latest beta driver yet?
[14:22] <zomaar> emmeci: Or tell you where to file the bug
[14:22] <Borw3> 4.13 kernel is buggy as hell :-(
[14:22] <emmeci> but is the only fix the meltdown/spoectre bug
[14:23] <emmeci> and i can0t expect canonical fix a thirdy partu driver
[14:23] <Borw3> Ralink stopped giving  a shit about rt3290 drivers on linux :-(
[14:24] <Borw3> The opensource ones stopped working in kernel 4.13
[14:24] <Borw3> :-(
[14:24] <zomaar> brainwash: I now have dbus from yakkety, udev from xenial, modemmanager from yakkety and network-manager from xenial and it works :p
[14:25] <brainwash> =S
[14:25] <zomaar> I just dpkg-repack something from the Xenial USB if I want to downgrade
[14:26] <brainwash> emmeci: I would look here https://community.amd.com/community/support-forums/drivers-software
[14:26] <emmeci> why the community forum?
[14:26] <zomaar> Its squashfs root filesystem is pretty complete
[14:26] <emmeci> i need to file a bug report for a more techy- problem, not a problema related with games
[14:27] <brainwash> oh, so you've checked that place already, and this issue was not mentioned there yet
[14:27] <emmeci> i'm trying to get attention into the amd subreddit, anyway
[14:28] <Borw3> LOL
[14:30] <Borw3> All companies creating FFOSS(Fake Free Open Source Software) should watch with their Kernel updates(Ubuntu kernel 4.13.x kernel)
[14:31] <oerheks> Borw3, are you here just to rant? this is support only, thanks.
[14:32] <Borw3> oerheks: LOL, any way to boot from previous working kernel as default instead of always manually choosing it?
[14:32] <oerheks> Borw3, sure, boot the previous manually, and remove the new one
[14:33] <oerheks> and update grub
[14:33] <Borw3> oerheks: Ooh, LOL, didn;t think of that.
[14:33] <zomaar> Borw3: type "grep /boot/grub/grub.conf "advanced\|oerheks" to see the menu entries for your previous kernels
[14:33] <zomaar> Oh wait the other way around
[14:34] <zomaar> "grep "advanced\|oerheks" /boot/grub/grub.conf"
[14:34] <oerheks> err .. there is copyright on my name.. i am in grub?
[14:34] <Borw3> LOL
[14:34] <zomaar> Borw3: You can put that in /etc/default/grub in GRUB_DEFAULT
[14:34] <zomaar> Haha
[14:35] <zomaar> Hey it will work
[14:35] <zomaar> grub.cfg really
[14:37] <zomaar> ie. GRUB_DEFAULT=gnulinux-4.10.0-40-generic-advanced-7cdf7c45-4a0b-4e5e-818c-fe713594c29a
[14:38] <Borw3> zomaar: Thanks dude, by the way what DE you using?
[14:38] <zomaar> KDE
[14:39] <Borw3> Kubuntu?
[14:39] <zomaar> Yar
[14:40] <Borw3> Can you help me, when I set swappiness to 0, and PC starts swapping, sometimes kwin gets swapped, and screen looks cheeky.
[14:40] <zomaar> Borw3: Don't set it to 0
[14:41] <Borw3> zomaar: I don't want it to swap everytime, so what would be best number?
[14:41] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[14:42] <zomaar> I suspect 0 is the lowest value
[14:42] <zomaar> So maybe 1
[14:42] <zomaar> I mean if you start out with 60 maybe 0 is too low
[14:42] <Borw3> zomaar: Yes, 0 means swap only when all RAM is used.
[14:44] <Borw3> zomaar: Problem is sometimes kwin gets swapped. was wondering if there is solution.
[14:44] <Borw3> 4GB RAM here
[14:44] <zomaar> Not sure but if you try a higher value maybe it gets resolved?
[14:45] <Borw3> Hmm, let me try
[14:46] <zomaar> Always add \|oerheks to every grep command to increases changes of success
[14:47] <zomaar> Lol sorry I guess that's too terrible haha
[14:47] <zomaar> But that reminds me they say 10 is better for a desktop system but I haven't touched it lately
[14:48] <zomaar> Also Linus recommends lowering
[14:50] <zomaar> The percentage of dirty buffers in RAM
[14:50] <luxio> is there a program that shows a tree of installed packages and their dependencies?
[14:50] <luxio> tree/web/what it may be
[14:50] <zomaar> apt-rdepends
[14:50] <zomaar> apt-rdepends <begin package> --state-follow=Installed
[14:51] <zomaar> But it's not really a tree
[14:51] <Deknos> must the kernel be patched for lxd/lxc?
[14:54] <TJ-> Deknos: Ubuntu kernels? No. But for mainline kernels, Yes. Additional apparmor support is required for unprivileged containers
[14:54] <zomaar> No he means the Meltdown patches
[14:55] <Deknos> nope, i meant mainline kernel
[14:55] <Deknos> thanks! :)
[14:55] <zomaar> Oh
[14:55] <franz__> ciao
[14:56] <Teabo> sorry, but all fixing people(
[14:56] <franz__> hello
[14:56] <zomaar> Linus recommends lowering dirty_ratio and dirty_background_ratio
[14:56] <Teabo> because they have a lot of knowledges about light and light
[14:57] <PTNapivoski> franz__, hi
[14:57] <zomaar> Because 20% of max dirty memory = 1.6GB is not necessary
[14:57] <zomaar> And 10% before it starts writing back, = 800MB, is not necessary
[14:57] <zomaar> If you have 8GB of RAM
[14:58] <zomaar> On 32-bit dirty memory is % of 1GB cap but on 64-bit it is unlimited
[15:01] <Micrisimat> list
[15:04] <BluesKaj> !warez | Micrisimat
[15:04] <BluesKaj> !it
[15:05] <chatts> \help
[15:10] <supremepizza> hello
[15:10] <zomaar> Hi Pizza
[15:11] <supremepizza> are you new to ubuntu also
[15:11] <zomaar> Not really
[15:12] <supremepizza> ho i just installed last night
[15:12] <zomaar> But I wouldn't mind some pizza
[15:12] <supremepizza> haha
[15:12] <zomaar> Which one did you install?
[15:12] <supremepizza> 15.4
[15:13] <zomaar> 15.04?
[15:13] <oerheks> !15.04
[15:13] <supremepizza> i dont really know cuz i jus went ubuntu's website and pressed download
[15:13] <oerheks> End of Life, no updates
[15:13] <zomaar> You probably have 16.04 then
[15:13] <supremepizza> yeah
[15:13] <zomaar> If you clicked on LTS
[15:14] <supremepizza> yep
[15:14] <zomaar> Oerheks is cute, don't mind her
[15:14] <zomaar> I guess within a few months the new LTS will be released
[15:14] <supremepizza> yea
[15:15] <supremepizza> ive used alot of linux distros before just never ubuntu
[15:15] <zomaar> Right
[15:15] <zomaar> Where did you start out with?
[15:15] <supremepizza> fedora
[15:16] <zomaar> This is the last time you'll be able to see Unity on a default distro
[15:16] <zomaar> for LTS
[15:16] <supremepizza> oh wow
[15:17] <supremepizza> gtg
[15:23] <zomaar> I am abusing unattended-upgrades to upgrade my entire distribution
[15:23] <zomaar> I set its sources to the newer version, and then let it chew away
[15:23] <Guest65526> boa tarde !
[15:24] <Deknos> zomaar: what do you do with packages which need debconf-parameters?
[15:24] <zomaar> I have no clue it probably won't do anything
[15:24] <zomaar> It took about an hour to get going
[15:25] <zomaar> Before it was done with the calculations
[15:25] <zomaar> Because I am using minimal-upgrade-steps
[15:25] <Deknos> well afair it will not replace packages with debconf-variables.. i'm curious if that leaves you with dependency issues afterwards... tell us about it :D
[15:26] <Deknos> mhm
[15:26] <zomaar> Yes I think it will skip them
[15:29] <rond_> is there any drawback to replace one backslash with two backslashes when considering windows-like paths that are passed through bin/sh's word-splitting rules?
[15:29] <zomaar> But it doesn't output any data on what it's doing so I don't know why it downloaded dpkg and then it downloads some printer driver :-/.
[15:29] <zomaar> I mean that doesn't sound like --minimal-upgrade-steps to me
[15:30] <FingerlessGloves> HI Guys, I've got a problem, when I add a br0 in network/interfaces, it does appear on reboot. Am I doing something wrong.
[15:31] <zomaar> Do you have bridge-utils installed?
[15:31] <FingerlessGloves> zomaar, sure do.
[15:31] <zomaar> Are you still on 16.04?
[15:31] <FingerlessGloves> brctl addbr works fine, but can't get it do it via interfaces file
[15:31] <TJ-> FingerlessGloves: show us the interfaces file
[15:31] <FingerlessGloves> Yeah PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS"
[15:32] <FingerlessGloves> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26385408/
[15:33] <TJ-> FingerlessGloves: it's missing a bridge_ports statement
[15:33] <TJ-> FingerlessGloves: "bridge-ports eth0" I assume you want
[15:34] <TJ-> bah
[15:34] <TJ-> FingerlessGloves: "bridge_ports eth0" -- underscore not hyphen
[15:34] <zomaar> _
[15:35] <FingerlessGloves> TJ-, I want to make that br0 attach to tun0, when the openvpn starts. Am I able to put a dummy interface in? as tun0 wont up be til openvpn service starts.
[15:35] <TJ-> FingerlessGloves: oh, sorry, in which case you need something slightly different
[15:36] <MJCDwork2> heya Im just trying to connect to a vnc client
[15:36] <zomaar> You could just use openvpn config scripts to do it for you
[15:36] <MJCDwork2> I have a cable running directly between 2 machines
[15:36] <MJCDwork2> but it doesnt seem to allow vnc on its reported ip
[15:36] <FingerlessGloves> zomaar, thing is lxc going to try and use that br0 when they start up :S
[15:36] <zomaar> You can use brctl to add the port as well
[15:36] <zomaar> For lxc you don't need to add ports at the start
[15:36] <FingerlessGloves> so br0 needs to be there when lxc runs
[15:36] <zomaar> It will add them itself
[15:37] <FingerlessGloves> when they come aviable?
[15:37] <TJ-> FingerlessGloves: if openvpn is using a tun* device you cannot bridge it. You need a tap* device to use bridges. tun* requires routing
[15:37] <zomaar> I have myself a bridge used by lxc
[15:37] <FingerlessGloves> I'll change it to tap :)
[15:38] <FingerlessGloves> Still I'm sure LXC needs the bridge to be there for a container to start up.
[15:38] <zomaar> So did LXC or did not LXC work?
[15:38] <FingerlessGloves> zomaar, so lxcbr0 is there, I'm adding in a second bridge to attach containers to the OpenVPN.
[15:38] <FingerlessGloves> instead of having a openvpn client per container.
[15:38] <zomaar> But you can route towards openvpn to begin with, I know that's not the answer
[15:39] <zomaar> So your lxbr0 comes up fine?
[15:39] <zomaar> lxc
[15:39] <zomaar> Is it a virtual bridge or connected to eth0?
[15:39] <FingerlessGloves> lxcbr0 is host only virtual not bridged to eth0
[15:40] <FingerlessGloves> I wan to create second bridge, so openvpnbr0, bridge tap0 to it and then the containers can access the openvpn network.
[15:40] <zomaar> I wrote most of the masquerading howto on Debian wiki about it, but I can't say I know everything
[15:41] <FingerlessGloves> but that would be routing/NATing
[15:41] <FingerlessGloves> I want the containers directly on the VPN network. so using a bridge will do this.
[15:41] <zomaar> Bridging a bridge to a bridge...
[15:42] <zomaar> Means its just one bridge right
[15:42] <FingerlessGloves> no
[15:42] <TJ-> FingerlessGloves: you may need the openvpn client --mktun option to create a persistent tap node so you can use it in the bridge_ports directive.
[15:42] <FingerlessGloves> not bridged together. Lxc container will see two interfaces, one bing lxcbr0 and the other openvpnbr0
[15:42] <mattcode> How can I stop pulseaudio automatically switching to my headphones? The jack detection is broken and it randomly switches from Line Out to Headphones in pavucontrol which distorts the sound and is very annoying.
[15:43] <FingerlessGloves> TJ-, that bit I can do, just if interfaces file won't create the bridge, how else can I do it?
[15:43] <FingerlessGloves> SO that its there before lxc starts.
[15:43] <TJ-> FingerlessGloves: I'd use systemd-networkd myself, makes it easy to stipulate dependency ordering
[15:44] <zomaar> So ifup br0 doesn't work?
[15:44] <FingerlessGloves> nope
[15:45] <zomaar> There is still something strange because
[15:45] <zomaar> I have done the same thing on Debian numerous times
[15:45] <MWM> I am still trying to get the amdgpu pro drivers working correctly.  I think the radeon driver is still in use even though the radeon driver has been blacklisted already
[15:45] <zomaar> Does it give an error or does it just not do anything?
[15:45] <FingerlessGloves> do I need a dummy interface, to bridge to?
[15:45] <FingerlessGloves> syslog doesnt even have br0 in it.
[15:46] <zomaar> I am a 100% sure I have done ifup and ifdown of my "lxc-nat-bridge"
[15:46] <MWM> lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 vga shows that the "kernel driver in use:" is radeon
[15:46] <zomaar> Maybe try ifdown --force first
[15:46] <zomaar> In case you are working on a live system
[15:48] <guestuser> im having a problem with libboost installation
[15:48] <guestuser> example, dpkg -L libboost-program-options1.58-dev
[15:49] <guestuser> i can see it listing /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_program_options.a
[15:49] <guestuser> but in reality ls: cannot access '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_program_options.a': No such file or directory
[15:50] <guestuser> i actually deleted all libboost libraries by hand and now i want to reinstall it but could not find a way
[15:50] <guestuser> what I'm i missing?
[15:50] <guestuser> and can you guys actually see my messages?
[15:50] <zomaar> FingerlessGloves: I think you are missing the "bridge_ports none" directive
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> !patience | guestuser
[15:51] <guestuser> i thought chanserv was not allowing me, no panic :)
[15:51] <zomaar> guestuser: Can always try apt install --reinstall
[15:51] <FingerlessGloves> zomarr
[15:51] <FingerlessGloves> trying that now :)
[15:52] <guestuser> zomaar: no luck with --reinstall
[15:52] <zomaar> Why not
[15:52] <guestuser> its not actually reinstalling
[15:52] <zomaar> How come
[15:52] <guestuser> libraries are still missing from /usr/lib/x86..
[15:53] <zomaar> But does it give an error?
[15:53] <guestuser> does apt-get has a verbose method?
[15:53] <wagner> hi folks
[15:53] <zomaar> You can apt download <packagename> and then dpkg -i <packagename.deb>
[15:53] <wagner> wazzup?
[15:54] <zomaar> You can also dpkg-deb -R <packagename.deb>
[15:54] <zomaar> You can also check /var/log/dpkg.log
[15:55] <FingerlessGloves> zomaar, anyway to check the interfaces file is actually being used?
[15:55] <farvco> hi guys
[15:55] <zomaar> FingerlessGloves: this may sound silly, but my bridge has this line:
[15:55] <guestuser> zomaar: 2018-01-14 17:55:21 status installed libboost-all-dev:amd64 1.58.0.1ubuntu1 in dpkg.log
[15:55] <guestuser> but its actually didn't install libraries
[15:56] <guestuser> is there a way to tell it to recompile ?
[15:56] <zomaar> :   pre-up count=0; while ! ip addr show dev eth0 | grep "inet .*" && [ $count -lt 10 ]; do sleep 0.5s; count=$(( count+1 )); done
[15:56] <alkisg> guestuser: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libboost-program-options1.58-dev
[15:56] <zomaar> guestuser: dpkg-deb -R to a target directory
[15:56] <alkisg> Why you don't have the version from the repositories?
[15:56] <guestuser> i saw --compile/-b option for apt-get but never knew how to use it
[15:56] <guestuser> zomaar: i did that to a target directory /tmp
[15:57] <alkisg> guestuser: you should have 1.58.0+dfsg-5ubuntu3.1
[15:57] <conall> Hi. I have ipv6 disabled via the /etc/sysctl.conf as usual. But when I restart network-manager, ipv6 is enabled even though /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 = 1. I need to do a sysctl -p to actually disable it
[15:57] <zomaar> guestuser: Where the files in there?
[15:57] <guestuser> no
[15:57] <alkisg> conall: put ipv6.disable=1 in the kernel cmdline, from grub
[15:57] <alkisg> guestuser: you're not supposed to compile things that you get from repositories
[15:57] <alkisg> guestuser: you're following the wrong way now
[15:58] <conall> alkisg: thanks, will do. Is this a bug in ubuntu as it seems as though this should in fact disable ipv6?
[15:58] <guestuser> what does --compile option on apt-get do?
[15:58] <guestuser> i will start again by purging, then autoremove then clear /var/cache/ then install
[15:58] <zomaar> FingerlessGloves: You can always strace ifup
[15:59] <alkisg> conall: no, it's not a bug in ubuntu, it's the same in all kernels/distros, you should do it per interface if you want to do it that way
[15:59] <zomaar> guestuser: If your -R doesn't give the file then there is something wrong
[15:59] <alkisg> conall: I think "all" means "new interfaces that will be created later" or something, not sure exactly how it's interpreted, but I did bump into that
[15:59] <zomaar> guestuser: You can check control/postinst
[15:59] <guestuser> zomaar: yes there is something wrong, how can i trace it?
[16:00] <zomaar> guestuser: If it's not in the -R then it's not in the package
[16:00] <conall> alkisg: how do I update the grub command line? Also, should network manager pick up what is in /etc/sysctl.conf upon every reboot?
[16:00] <alkisg> guestuser: what's the output of this command? apt policy libboost-program-options1.58-dev
[16:00] <zomaar> guestuser: But you did find on the tmp right?
[16:00] <conall> alkisg: because it seems to be ignoring it
[16:00] <alkisg> conall: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (if you don't have uefi)
[16:01] <zomaar> conall: update-grub
[16:01] <alkisg> conall: ignore zomaar, for some reason he's giving wrong advice
[16:01] <guestuser> alkisg: libboost-all-dev:   Installed: 1.58.0.1ubuntu1
[16:01] <zomaar> Oh sorry you mean editing the file
[16:01] <alkisg> guestuser: that's not the whole output. Use pastebin
[16:01] <alkisg> !paste
[16:01] <guestuser> zomaar: i didnt find it in tmp
[16:02] <zomaar>  /etc/grub/default would be the file
[16:02] <guestuser> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26385591/
[16:02] <lohfu> TJ-: forgot to thank you for the help earlier. TomyLobo and Borw3 too but they gone now.
[16:02] <alkisg> guestuser: have you ran apt-get update; do you have xenial-updates in your sources?
[16:02] <conall> alkisg: is seems counter intuitive to me that the contents of /etc/sysctl.conf would be ignored upon startup
[16:03] <alkisg> conall: they're not ignored
[16:03] <alkisg> conall: they just don't do what you think they do
[16:03] <guestuser> i did run apt-get update
[16:03] <conall> alkisg: should it not disable ipv6 for all connections so, since it picks this up at boot time?
[16:04] <alkisg> guestuser: err actually you didn't run the command I gave, but you gave the result of the wrong package
[16:04] <alkisg> (06:00:29 μμ) alkisg: guestuser: what's the output of this command? apt policy libboost-program-options1.58-dev
[16:04] <alkisg> conall: no, /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 = 1 does NOT mean "disable ipv6 in all interfaces"
[16:05] <ca_cabo>  new to grep, i'm trying to search a file for a string "DAYS MISSED  " and copy the text before and after that. Right now I'm using -A & -B, but that doesn't work because the lines before and after are variable. >>> is there a way that i can copy the lines before and after until it hits a certain pattern? i.e., "-----"
[16:05] <guestuser> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26385610/
[16:05] <guestuser> alkisg: the problem is will all libboost packages
[16:05] <conall> alkisg: but "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1 net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6 = 1" does
[16:06] <guestuser> i know this is just a container for all packages libboost-all-dev
[16:06] <akik> alkisg: it removes all ipv6 addresses from all interfaces
[16:06] <alkisg> guestuser: nice, so, you do have the correct version installed. Now, let's see the contents: dpkg -L libboost-program-options1.58-dev | xargs ls -l
[16:07] <EriC^^> nice one alkisg
[16:07] <alkisg> akik: no, I have tried it and it doesn't
[16:07] <odroid606> what's the problem?
[16:08] <akik> alkisg: it does on ubuntu 16.04
[16:08] <alkisg> akik: if you google about it, you'll find more extensive explanations
[16:08] <alkisg> akik: I have tried it in 16.04 and it doesn't
[16:08] <akik> alkisg: you're wrong
[16:08] <guestuser> alkisg: i grepped boost https://paste.ubuntu.com/26385626/
[16:08] <odroid606> what are you talking about? can I help?
[16:09] <alkisg> guestuser: it contains only 4 files: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/amd64/libboost-program-options1.58-dev/filelist
[16:09] <alkisg> guestuser: please copy/paste the command I gave above
[16:09] <alkisg> (06:06:52 μμ) alkisg: guestuser: nice, so, you do have the correct version installed. Now, let's see the contents: dpkg -L libboost-program-options1.58-dev | xargs ls -l
[16:10] <guestuser> alkisg: none of this appears in  ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ | grep boost
[16:10] <davr0s> gnome shell: in my current version, i detect lag between the cursor and window when dragging , (not slowdown, just latency) e.g. the window seems a frame behind the cursor; simpler window-managers(but even with compositing, e.g. XFWM4) are ok
[16:10] <odroid606> I'm just stealing exagear desktop :D
[16:10] <alkisg> guestuser: if you run the command I give and paste the output, I can continue helping. Not if you give whatever command you think.
[16:10] <davr0s> is this a permanent feature of gnome shell's architecture, or something that might improve
[16:11] <davr0s> gnome shell can be nice with some plugins but irritations like this add up and i tend to want to revert to xfce or something
[16:11] <guestuser> alkisg:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/26385649/
[16:11] <guestuser> lol :)
[16:11] <guestuser> i thought grepping boost would make it easier to find it
[16:12] <guestuser> trying to help you help me
[16:12] <guestuser> but it seems not helping
[16:13] <alkisg> guestuser: now run this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libboost-program-options1.58-dev; dpkg -L libboost-program-options1.58-dev | xargs ls -l
[16:14] <guestuser> ok now i see it
[16:14] <alkisg> guestuser: Cool. So I assume at some point you manually deleted those files (or some program that you ran), and then when you were trying to reinstall, you were using the wrong package name
[16:15] <alkisg> i.e. reinstalling libboost-all-dev instead of  libboost-program-options1.58-dev
[16:15] <FingerlessGloves> zomarr, ifup brings up the br0, how to shoudln't that be interfaces file job?
[16:15] <guestuser> alright can i do that to all libboost packages ?
[16:15] <guestuser> alkisg: yes thats correct
[16:15] <alkisg> guestuser: sudo apt install debsums; debsums -s
[16:15] <alkisg> guestuser: this will check all of your packages for deleted files
[16:16] <alkisg> If you see warnings for some package, then yes reinstall it
[16:16] <guestuser> alkisg: it got stuck
[16:16] <guestuser> on  root        19 Sep  3 13:16 liblangta
[16:17] <alkisg> guestuser: it will need some time to check all the files, patience :)
[16:18] <guestuser> i killed it :|
[16:18] <alkisg> up arrow, enter :)
[16:18] <guestuser> now its telling me The program 'debsums' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[16:18] <alkisg> (06:15:47 μμ) alkisg: guestuser: sudo apt install debsums; debsums -s
[16:18] <guestuser> ok i think i know what wen wrong
[16:19] <guestuser> debsums is running
[16:19] <guestuser> its a checkseum i presume :)
[16:19] <alkisg> right
[16:19] <guestuser> debsums: missing file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_atomic.a (from libboost-atomic1.58-dev:amd64 package) found them
[16:20] <alkisg> Note all the packages, and put them in an apt install --reinstall command
[16:20] <alkisg> Let it finish first :)
[16:20] <guestuser> they are like 35 packages
[16:20] <alkisg> You've been naughty :P
[16:20] <guestuser> :)
[16:20] <Teabo> what are you doing?)
[16:20] <guestuser> thanks alot buddy
[16:20] <alkisg> np
[16:20] <guestuser> lol :D
[16:21] <guestuser> im in the middle of something :P
[16:21] <guestuser> you will get your share soon :) alkisg, won't forget your name
[16:22] <guestuser> thanks again
[16:22] <alkisg> You're welcome
[16:26] <Teabo> i recom use Winda for guestuser))))
[16:28] <MJCDwork> hey im trying to share connection from an ubuntu 17 laptop to another linux machine
[16:28] <MJCDwork> via ethernet
[16:28] <MJCDwork> can anyone help?
[16:28] <MJCDwork> all the guides reference a control that no longer exists
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> MJCDwork: teamviewer, remmina
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | MJCDwork
[16:28] <MJCDwork> remmina is what ive been trying
[16:29] <MJCDwork> in various configurations
[16:29] <MJCDwork> but I cant get a connect
[16:29] <MJCDwork> when I do ifconfig on this machine
[16:29] <MJCDwork> the ethernet shows up as <global>
[16:29] <Borw3> MJCDwork: Can you ping the other machine?
[16:30] <MJCDwork> not currently no, but it says "Ethernet connected - 100"
[16:30] <Borw3> MJCDwork: Are they in the same network?
[16:31] <MJCDwork> its a direct ethernet cable
[16:31] <MJCDwork> im trying to share wifi
[16:31] <Borw3> Same subnet?
[16:31] <MJCDwork> to a no-wifi thing
[16:31] <MJCDwork> should be...
[16:31] <Borw3> Ooh.
[16:31] <MJCDwork> but as I say in ifconfig
[16:31] <MJCDwork> they show as <global>
[16:31] <MJCDwork> no interface name
[16:31] <MJCDwork> seems problematic
[16:31] <Borw3> LOL
[16:31] <Teabo> call your orerator))))
[16:32] <FingerlessGloves> anyone know why auto isnt bring up my bridge?
[16:32] <Borw3> Let me guess, using Kernel 4.13? ;-D
[16:32] <MJCDwork> Borw3, im not sure tbh
[16:32] <MJCDwork> its ubuntu 17
[16:32] <MJCDwork> .xx
[16:32] <Borw3> MJCDwork: "uname -r"
[16:33] <MJCDwork> and the device is a rpi
[16:33] <MJCDwork> 4.13.0-25-generic
[16:33] <MJCDwork> hah
[16:33] <ca_cabo> how can I find a pattern (Pattern A), then print all of the lines above Pattern A until it reaches a different pattern (Pattern B) AND all of the lines after Pattern A until Pattern B?
[16:33] <ca_cabo> So in this case search for "BLUE" (Pattern A) and print lines Before And After "BLUE" until reaching "-----" (Pattern B)
[16:33] <ca_cabo> INPUT:
[16:33] <ca_cabo> red
[16:33] <ca_cabo> green
[16:33] <ca_cabo> -----
[16:33] <Borw3> MJCDwork: BLAME 4.13 for all the network bullshits.
[16:34] <MJCDwork> lol I dont wanna blame anyone
[16:34] <MJCDwork> just get it working
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> Borw3: keep language familly friendly plz
[16:34] <MJCDwork> eventually the rpi will be plugged into the router direct
[16:34] <MJCDwork> so it wont be a problem
[16:34] <MJCDwork> but id like to solve it
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> MJCDwork: #ubuntu-arm for PI support plz
[16:35] <MJCDwork> the pi has no issue
[16:35] <jemark> MJCDwork: what would you like to do? "sharing connection" is not very clear, please elaborate
[16:35] <pr3c0g> hey all, if amdgpu-pro doesn't work on ubuntu 17.10, what graphic drivers do I install then ?
[16:35] <MJCDwork> jemark, I want the rpi to have access to this laptops wifi connection
[16:35] <brainwash> pr3c0g: amdgpu
[16:35] <MJCDwork> for internet access
[16:35] <Borw3> pr3c0g: , wait, first which kernel are you using? 4.13?
[16:35] <MJCDwork> otherwise I need a usb wifi adaptor or to plug ontop of my router
[16:36] <brainwash> !info linux artful
[16:36] <ca_cabo> how can I find a pattern (Pattern A), then print all of the lines above Pattern A until it reaches a different pattern (Pattern B) AND all of the lines after Pattern A until Pattern B? Please see pastebin for example: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26385808/
[16:37] <MJCDwork> it doesnt seem like a direct ethernet connection should be too problematic...
[16:37] <MJCDwork> shouldn't**
[16:37] <brainwash> ca_cabo: this does not seem to be related to ubuntu at all
[16:37] <MJCDwork> I mean technically they are connected
[16:38] <MJCDwork> just in some kind of <global> thing
[16:38] <MJCDwork> and only with ipv6
[16:38] <ca_cabo> brainwash, sorry, using ubuntu tools to do it - where should i ask?
[16:38] <Borw3> MJCDwork: It's the new 4.13 Kernel, try previous ones.
[16:39] <jemark> MJCDwork: so you want to connect to the command line with ssh or you want to see your laptops GUI via VNC?
[16:39] <MJCDwork> Borw3, from all the articles I read
[16:39] <brainwash> ca_cabo: maybe #awk or #grep or #regex
[16:39] <MJCDwork> its just because there's no "Shared" mode in the adaptor config
[16:39] <MJCDwork> which all the articles direct me to
[16:39] <ca_cabo> brainwash, ok thanks
[16:40] <brainwash> ca_cabo: also, ##sed
[16:40] <MJCDwork> meh, whatever, ill just plug it in on top the router
[16:40] <jemark> MJCDwork: if you have the RPI in the same network, wifi or not, you should be able to ping your laptop from the RPI and the other way around
[16:40] <brainwash> ca_cabo: I guess it depends on what you are using, or want to use
[16:41] <MJCDwork> jemark, the laptop is on wifi
[16:41] <MJCDwork> AND ethernet
[16:41] <avatar> hello
[16:41] <MJCDwork> I want to share that wifi to the ethernet
[16:41] <jemark> MJCDwork: connect the RPI in your wifi network
[16:42] <MJCDwork> it has no wifi adaptor
[16:42] <MJCDwork> as I say
[16:42] <MJCDwork> ill just plug it into the router direct
[16:42] <MJCDwork> but still seems like should have been doable this way...
[16:42] <MJCDwork> dissapointed to not find a real solution
[16:42] <jemark> MJCDwork: connect it to your router via the RJ45 ethernet cable
[16:42] <Borw3> Kernel 4.13.x :-O
[16:42] <MJCDwork> jemark, right
[16:42] <MJCDwork> currently its connected to an ubuntu 17 machine
[16:42] <MJCDwork> I wanted to share its wifi
[16:43] <MJCDwork> which SHOULD be possible
[16:43] <ca_cabo> brainwash, thanks - i tried all that you recommended. I'm new to all of this. so the tool isn't too important. just would like to see if i can get some advice on which tool is capable of doing this so i can cut down on the time. I tried grep first, but it can't (at least I can't) get as specific as i need
[16:43] <jemark> MJCDwork: I gave you the real solution
[16:43] <Borw3> MJCDwork: You have a switch anywhere around the house?
[16:43] <MJCDwork> jemark, its not a solution its a workaround
[16:43] <MJCDwork> Borw3, it can just go straight into the router
[16:43] <brainwash> ca_cabo: try awk
[16:43] <MJCDwork> thats not the issue at all
[16:44] <MJCDwork> the issue is I SHOULD be able to share this machines wifi
[16:44] <MJCDwork> as a gateway
[16:44] <brainwash> ca_cabo: you will have to read a bit about its functionality
[16:44] <jemark> MJCDwork: you can't use your laptops wifi and create an accesspoint at the same time. that's not possible with your phone either.
[16:44] <brainwash> ca_cabo: there are many tutorials out there
[16:44] <MJCDwork> jemark, its not that
[16:44] <MJCDwork> no AP
[16:44] <Borw3> jemark: Wow, Windows 10 can.
[16:44] <MJCDwork> wifi for laptop internet
[16:44] <MJCDwork> ethernet to rpi
[16:44] <avatar> hello, is there anybody from USA?
[16:44] <MJCDwork> I just need a bridge
[16:45] <ca_cabo> brainwash, thank you. I was reading through grep and sed stuff. that's exactly the input i was looking for. Ill pull up some awk tutorials and man page
[16:45] <Borw3> avatar: I am from heaven.
[16:45] <MJCDwork> anyway, universally agree'd to just plug it into the router
[16:46] <MJCDwork> just wanted to figure out the net sharing :(
[16:46] <MJCDwork> but s'all good
[16:46] <avatar> Borw3, i just need some help
[16:46] <MJCDwork> that crap never worked under windows either
[16:46] <MJCDwork> lol
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[16:47] <pr3c0g> Linux 4.13.0-25-generic
[16:47] <Borw3> avatar: Whats the problem?
[16:48] <Borw3> pr3c0g: HAHAHAHA!!!! 4.13.x is messing people up this January.
[16:48] <avatar> i just want create account here https://x10hosting.com/#create but whole EU is banned
[16:48] <leftyfb> avatar: that's not an ubuntu issue and not something you'll get help with here. Contact the provider or find a an alternate provider
[16:49] <pr3c0g> :(
[16:49] <Teabo> MJCwork>: it is impossible because you need long rj or use 3-4-5G
[16:49] <MJCDwork> Teabo, that makes no sense
[16:49] <pr3c0g> yeah it really seems to be
[16:49] <MJCDwork> and
[16:49] <MJCDwork> I have all of those things
[16:49] <pr3c0g> should I switch kernel version?
[16:49] <MJCDwork> this laptops connection can pull 2-5gbit a second
[16:49] <pr3c0g> I mean I just want to have a proper stable linux distro for normal desktop use
[16:50] <MJCDwork> its an issue of wifi->laptop->rpi
[16:50] <Borw3> pr3c0g: Old previous kernels should work
[16:50] <MJCDwork> sorry
[16:50] <Teabo> 6G?)))
[16:50] <avatar> leftyfb, i know that is not problem with ubuntu
[16:50] <MJCDwork> its an issue of wifi->laptop->ethernet->rpi
[16:51] <Teabo> you can use
[16:51] <Borw3> MJCDwork: When you connect the laptop using LAN to router, does it work? can you ping router?
[16:51] <Guy1524> hey guys, I just realized that somehow, without my permission, the meltdown / cpu_insecure patch was applied to my system
[16:51] <Guy1524> i don't care about security
[16:51] <MJCDwork> Borw3, idk I havent moved it yet
[16:51] <Guy1524> and I want good performance in my games
[16:51] <MJCDwork> but I presume that will work fine
[16:52] <Guy1524> how do I disable it
[16:52] <MJCDwork> I can configure whatever in the router config
[16:52] <Borw3> MJCDwork: LOL, if it doesn't then you know KERNEL 4.13.X is to blame.
[16:52] <MJCDwork> I dunno why that would have anything to do with it
[16:52] <MJCDwork> although
[16:53] <Teabo> no, MJCDwork it id impossible, we'll need rebook core
[16:53] <MJCDwork> I did enable a virtual framebuffer extension
[16:53] <Teabo> it is
[16:53] <linus1> Guy1524: you should care about security. Do you buy games?
[16:53] <leftyfb> MJCDwork: sorry, just jumping in here .... what's the issue with just using the "shared to other computers" feature in network manager? I do it all the time
[16:53] <kus_> do you guys know if cron @reboot works in ubuntu xenial? as in https://hastebin.com/taxokakasa.txt @reboot cd ~/src/flaskexperiment/backend/ && git pull origin master && docker-compose build && xdocker-compose up -d;
[16:53] <Guy1524> linus1: yes
[16:53] <linus1> Guy1524: via Steam?
[16:53] <Guy1524> yes
[16:53] <MJCDwork> leftyfb, that option does not appear present in ubuntu 17.xx
[16:53] <linus1> Guy1524: then the bug can allow malicious websites to steal your steam account
[16:53] <leftyfb> MJCDwork: I'm pretty sure that isn't true
[16:54] <Guy1524> i don't go to shady websites
[16:54] <leftyfb> linus1: not exactly true
[16:54] <MJCDwork> leftyfb, well, in the same exact screen as all the guides
[16:54] <MJCDwork> theres just no dropdown to select anything like that
[16:54] <MJCDwork> so....
[16:54] <MJCDwork> beyond that I have no idea
[16:54] <Borw3> Meltdown and Spectre........ Does any exploit even exists for this things yet?
[16:55] <linus1> Guy1524: you don't have to go to shady websites to run malicious code, it's pretty frequent that ad networks get hijacked or similar to run arbitrary code
[16:55] <linus1> Borw3: yes
[16:55] <Borw3> linus1: Wow, didn't know.
[16:55] <MJCDwork> ok gonna plug into router now
[16:55] <Guy1524> I use adblock
[16:55] <leftyfb> MJCDwork: https://imgur.com/a/F3eLo
[16:56] <leftyfb> Guy1524: have you observed a performance decrease? In most cases, you shouldn't notice anything.
[16:56] <kus_> do you guys know if cron @reboot works in ubuntu xenial? as in https://hastebin.com/taxokakasa.txt @reboot cd ~/src/flaskexperiment/backend/ && git pull origin master && docker-compose build && xdocker-compose up -d; here is my grep https://hastebin.com/orahifoloc.txt
[16:56] <linus1> Borw3: https://github.com/GitMirar/meltdown-poc http://www.prodefence.org/meltdown-exploit-poc/ for example
[16:56] <Borw3> linus1: WOw, LOL
[16:56] <kus_> never mind I will just delete docker containers and start fresh and see if that works
[16:56] <leftyfb> Guy1524: the performance hit really doesn't affect desktop computing, including gaming. It's mainly cloud computing and shared services
[16:56] <Guy1524> leftyfb: I have not
[16:57] <linus1> leftyfb: what part of it isn't true?
[16:58] <leftyfb> linus1: the amount of effort it would take for a website to run a process as a user on your local system and then exploit the bug in the cpu and target certain credentials just isn't within the realm of reality
[16:59] <pikapika> Is there any safe method to test if my machine is vulnerable to the spectres? Mine is Ubuntu 16.04 lts on an i3, updated to the latest available
[16:59] <Borw3> leftyfb: LOL, I remember when 3d games wasn't in realm of reality, then came DOOM.
[16:59] <Teabo> MJ
[17:00] <leftyfb> pikapika: just keep up to date with the regular updates and you'll be fine
[17:00] <Teabo> you try to set up printer
[17:00] <Teabo> ?
[17:00] <linus1> leftyfb: javascript runs in a process on your local systems and it has been shown to be possible to use the vuln from javascript thanks to JIT
[17:00] <pikapika> I am, but just to be sure you know
[17:00] <linus1> leftyfb: see the paper https://spectreattack.com/spectre.pdf
[17:01] <Teabo> use win 10 and you'll be happy;)
[17:01] <Borw3> Javascript should remain on webpages as front end, don't know why people keep forcing it for backend.
[17:01] <oerheks> pikapika, https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker/blob/master/spectre-meltdown-checker.sh
[17:01] <linus1> leftyfb: the javascript is already running in a process as your user on your machine :)
[17:01] <linus1> Borw3: this is frontend javascript we're talking about
[17:01] <leftyfb> linus1: I was pointing out steps, not impossibilities
[17:01] <linus1> (not that I disagree, but hey)
[17:02] <MJCDwork> hey whats the ubuntu eqivilent of making a windows system restore points
[17:02] <MJCDwork> I want to install something but its bricked my install twice
[17:02] <Borw3> linus1: LOL. its that serious?
[17:02] <leftyfb> linus1: my point is, currently there are no exploits, no websites doing this and the mount of work it would take to grab individuals credentials just isn't worth it.
[17:02] <leftyfb> MJCDwork: there isn't
[17:02] <linus1> Borw3: yes it is a serious vulnerability, which is why it's all over the news
[17:02] <Teabo> hope it is joke)
[17:02]  * leftyfb sigh
[17:02] <leftyfb> right, because the news always gets technology right when reporting
[17:03] <MJCDwork> leftyfb, hmm, sudo rsync / ?
[17:03] <akik> MJCDwork: a somewhat equivalent would be a file system snapshot, like with btrfs
[17:03] <BillD73> Y2K was a "serious" vulnerability too....
[17:03] <linus1> leftyfb: if individual phishing attacks on steam users are worth it, then surely blanket attacks using an extremely widespread vulnerability are worth it too
[17:04] <linus1> BillD73: and it ended up not being much of an issue *because* of how much hype there was around it, not in spite of it
[17:04] <Teabo> MJ you can set system normal and create iso
[17:05] <MJCDwork> Teabo, a restorable iso would be cool
[17:05] <Teabo> but it can doesnt work
[17:05] <MJCDwork> ill probably be lazy and just copy the vm
[17:05] <MJCDwork> lol
[17:05] <Teabo> because
[17:05] <Teabo> you know
[17:05] <MJCDwork> good
[17:05] <MJCDwork> suggest me more things that wont work
[17:06] <MJCDwork> im all ears
[17:06] <Teabo> we have secret)))
[17:06] <Teabo> CS go
[17:06] <MJCDwork> lool
[17:06] <MJCDwork> CS go sucks
[17:06] <Teabo> no
[17:07] <MJCDwork> =FIGHT=
[17:07] <Teabo> i only on the streets
[17:07] <oerheks> MJCDwork, Teabo ,keep this channel free for technical support, thanks
[17:07] <Teabo> ok
[17:08] <MJCDwork> oerheks, lol that makes literally no sense
[17:08] <MJCDwork> thanks
[17:08] <MJCDwork> we were discussing ubuntu issues
[17:09] <MJCDwork> or atleast I was
[17:09] <oerheks> MJCDwork, no need for that..
[17:09] <Teabo> for valuable information you can pay
[17:09] <Teabo> sorry
[17:09] <Teabo> but i understand
[17:09] <MJCDwork> .... lol
[17:10] <Teabo> that you can set
[17:10] <MJCDwork> right im just going to plug it to the router
[17:10] <MJCDwork> as discussed
[17:10] <MJCDwork> but its pretty shit I just never got a solution
[17:11] <Teabo> you need to speak with other people
[17:11] <Teabo> other specialists
[17:11] <MJCDwork> specialists inmaking a ethernet connection between two ubuntu systems
[17:11] <MJCDwork> directly
[17:12] <MJCDwork> very sekrit knowledge
[17:12] <Teabo> y're right
[17:12] <MJCDwork> as I say ill just plug it in the router
[17:13] <Bashing-om> MJCDwork: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2159449 <-easiest way to cp files 'tween two 'buntus that share the same router/house (Morbius1)
[17:13] <MJCDwork> its just a pain if anything doesnt work
[17:13] <pikapika> leftyb: the official demo ( https://github.com/IAIK/meltdown ) apparently works on my machine?
[17:13] <MJCDwork> Bashing-om, files have nothing to do with it
[17:13] <MJCDwork> sharing internet(wifi) to an ethernet client
[17:14] <oerheks> your networkmanager can do that fine
[17:15] <MJCDwork> How
[17:15] <MJCDwork> in the guides
[17:15] <MJCDwork> it says select shared
[17:15] <MJCDwork> in the dropdown
[17:15] <MJCDwork> but that doesnt even exist in 17.xx
[17:15] <Borw3> MJCDwork: You using Unity?
[17:15] <MJCDwork> nope
[17:16] <MJCDwork> latest ubuntu is back to gnome
[17:16] <Borw3> Gnome.... is it faster than unity?
[17:17] <MJCDwork> its a nice setup by default imo
[17:17] <MJCDwork> and id say so
[17:17] <MJCDwork> itd be nice if they provided a Settings section for turning off all the fx
[17:18] <MJCDwork> like windows does
[17:18] <oerheks> !enter
[17:18] <Borw3> ubottu: Are you a bot?
[17:19] <Borw3> LOL
[17:19] <MJCDwork> :P
[17:19] <oerheks> people with screenreaders get an headache of this enter-as -a-punctuation
[17:19] <oerheks> guys, stop the funny remarks, last warning
[17:20] <MJCDwork> oerheks, yeah... all of them (0)
[17:21] <MJCDwork> anywhoooo
[17:21] <MJCDwork> its clear ill not get sharing working
[17:21] <MJCDwork> which is sad
[17:22] <MJCDwork> but ill deal
[17:22] <MJCDwork> might just need to tape a monitor to the fridge where the router is
[17:23] <BillD73> MJCDwork: what are you attempting to do?
[17:24] <MJCDwork> BillD73, 1 laptop connected to wifi
[17:24] <MJCDwork> connected to another system via ethernet
[17:24] <MJCDwork> to share internet
[17:24] <MJCDwork> in all the guides theres a "Shared" dropdown
[17:24] <MJCDwork> but its not in 17.xx
[17:24] <alkisg> MJCDwork: you create a shared *ethernet* connection, not a shared wifi connection for this
[17:24] <alkisg> You didn't find that?
[17:25] <MJCDwork> I got it to connect but I cant do anything with it
[17:25] <MJCDwork> alkisg, that's how it sets it up by default when I plug in the ethernet, yes
[17:25] <MJCDwork> and yet I cant vnc in
[17:25] <alkisg> MJCDwork: you misunderstood. "To share you wifi connection, you need to create a new ethernet connection of type shared, which isn't there by default"
[17:26] <alkisg> I don't know how to tell it better
[17:26] <MJCDwork> alkisg, OH
[17:26] <alkisg> The intuitive thing is to share the wifi connection, which is NOT how it's done
[17:26] <MJCDwork> Lemme check that out!!
[17:27] <MJCDwork> see alkisg this leads to the same thing
[17:27] <MJCDwork> I go to ipv4 setup
[17:27] <MJCDwork> and there's no dropdown
[17:27] <oerheks> disable wired networking, edit, enable
[17:27] <MJCDwork> I can pick automatic, link-local, manual or disable
[17:27] <alkisg> go to type, not to ipv4
[17:28] <MJCDwork> there is no type tab..
[17:28] <BillD73> MJCDwork:  seems like a lot of hassle, any particular reason of doing it that way? I mean why not just plug the router into the modem and then wired and wifi alike share the same net connection?
[17:28] <alkisg> try running: nm-connection-editor
[17:28] <MJCDwork> BillD73, I will 100% do that in short order
[17:28] <MJCDwork> but I want to know why!
[17:29] <MJCDwork> and figure it out
[17:29] <MJCDwork> incase I want to do so again
[17:30] <BillD73> MJCDwork: ok just wondered
[17:31] <ipsumonium> chamar: /topic
[17:31] <MJCDwork> alkisg, dude
[17:31] <MJCDwork> that had the exact option
[17:32] <MJCDwork> testing now
[17:35] <maxlatern[m]> if i want to clone a drive that has a luks partition..the main partition appears to be callded sda2 and it apprears luks is within it called sda5 ..which one should i clone? i want the whole partition including the luks.
[17:37] <agoodm> Hello all, how can I enable kinetic scrolling in Ubuntu 17.10?
[17:38] <agoodm> (synaptics touch pad)
[17:41] <strive> agoodm: There's a tool called synclient
[17:41] <Borw3> Hello, any GUI version for selecting default kernel like in linux mint on Ubuntu? I don't like this new Kernel 4.13.x
[17:44] <oerheks> Borw3, sure, boot the previous manually, and remove the new one
[17:45] <Borw3> oerheks: But if I do sudo apt-get upgrade, that same old kernel gets added.
[17:45] <Borw3> oerheks: I mean the new one.
[17:46] <Bashing-om> Borw3: Short answer is no. One edits the file /etc/default/grub ; line " GRUB_DEFAULT=0 " . remember to propogate the cvhange ' sudo update-grub '.
[17:46] <Borw3> Bashing-om: There is no GUI for that?
[17:47] <oerheks> mint has no gui for that either
[17:47] <ipsumonium> Borw3: you should be able to use apt-mark hold <new-kernel> to stop apt-get upgrade from installing it every time, see https://tecadmin.net/exclude-packages-from-apt-upgrade/
[17:47] <Bashing-om> Borw3: there are utilities around. I have not used any so can not comment .
[17:47] <Borw3> oerheks: in mint update manager there is a kernel selector menu, there you can select the kernel you want to use/install as default.
[17:52] <oerheks> it was, in mint 17, now you need to add a ppa, https://itsfoss.com/upgrade-linux-kernel-ubuntu/
[17:56] <xs2> should I be running xubuntu/xfce session with xmonad? when I log into xmonad session the graphics are like windows 3.1. and icons/images are missing
[17:56] <ipsumonium> .quit
[18:01] <eelstrebor> is there a simple way to re-install windows 10 on a dual boot machine with ubuntu or will i have to re-install ubuntu also?
[18:03] <Pazooza> There is always a problem with dual booting with Windows.
[18:03] <yeats> eelstrebor: depending on how you installed everything, it should be fine - probably need to fix the bootloader afterwards
[18:04] <Pazooza> Use separate drives or put WIndows in a VM on linux.
[18:04] <yeats> eelstrebor: if you're game, I would recommend running windows as a VM under Ubuntu
[18:04] <eelstrebor> i have to use a dual boot machine because windows doesn't see my dvb card when running in virtualbox
[18:05] <Pazooza> Use Vmware player.
[18:05]  * eelstrebor hates having to edit a windows bootloader
[18:06] <eelstrebor> i never have used vmware - from looking at it, it seems rather cryptic
[18:07] <Borw3> vmware is free?
[18:07] <kostkon> eelstrebor, vbox is good enough in most cases
[18:08] <Borw3> Vbox is too slow for any type of gaming
[18:08] <eelstrebor> anyway, the reason why i think i need to re-install windows is that it won't accept the product key after a OS update
[18:08] <kostkon> eelstrebor, also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot#Recovering_GRUB_after_reinstalling_Windows
[18:08] <Pazooza> Vmware is free for single user, just skip entering license.
[18:08] <Borw3> vmware is good for gaming?
[18:09] <eelstrebor> Pazooza, i'll have to give it a try
[18:09] <kostkon> Borw3, none of them is obviously
[18:09] <Borw3> Performance wise, when compared to wine, is vmware better?
[18:10] <kostkon> Borw3, doubt it
[18:10] <eelstrebor> wine is too problematic for me
[18:10] <Pazooza> Gaming should work in Vmware if you have enough memory.
[18:11] <Borw3> 4GBRAM is good?
[18:11] <brainwash> work yes. have good performance? no
[18:11] <Pazooza> At least 16.
[18:11] <Borw3> LOL
[18:12] <Pazooza> When setting up VMware you can specifiy how much ram and how many cores to use.
[18:14] <arooni> how can i slow down mouse scroll wheel speed in ubuntu 16.04 for the gnome-terminal app?  elsewhere its fine.  i want one mouse wheel nudge ==> 1 line of scroll
[18:16] <juaninho> good afternoon guys so yesterday night i decided to leave windows behind and started off with something for beginners, PEPPERMINT
[18:16] <Nezoriel> Hi maybe anyone here with qemu and ubuntu 16.04 experience?
[18:16] <Nezoriel> Welcome
[18:16] <juaninho> and i have a quick question, does any of you know how to change the window borders from peppermint?
[18:22] <mmkumr> Where ever I am booting my system first it show black screen for long time. This problem occured after installing ubuntu 17.10
[18:22] <mmkumr> when*
[18:33] <Crypto_> i have a folder has many folders in it and i want to use grep to find "word" in a txt file , and i want the grep lead me to the dir have that txt
[18:36] <Borw3> Crypto_: I can solve it for you, but in java.
[18:37] <Crypto_> no need java
[18:37] <Crypto_> i want grep command only
[18:37] <geirha> find . -type f -name "*.txt" -execdir sh -c 'grep -q word "$@" && pwd' sh {} +
[18:37] <akik> Crypto_: grep -r -i word directory
[18:38] <Borw3> ls -R | grep -i java
[18:39] <Borw3> ls -R -ld | grep -i "what you looking for"
[18:40] <geirha> don't parse ls output, and that only greps filenames, not file contents
[18:42] <tatertots> he wants to use "grep" ONLY.
[18:43] <tatertots> as per the documentation for grep
[18:43] <geirha> yeah, but that's a silly requirement, so I ignored it
[18:43] <SimonNL> and only "word" in file not all foldernames containing "word"
[18:43] <geirha> surely achieving the task is the important part
[18:43] <tatertots> grep searches the named input FILEs for lines containing a match to the
[18:43] <tatertots>        given PATTERN.  If no files are specified, or if the file “-” is given,
[18:43] <tatertots>        grep  searches  standard  input.   By default, grep prints the matching
[18:43] <tatertots>        lines.
[18:46] <tatertots> Crypto_: type in "man grep" to find out how to use it and it's syntax. good luck
[18:47] <jnewt> just tried to login to my ubuntu-mate system and it just keeps giving me the login screen.  am now booted into my windows partition.  what can i try?
[18:47] <Borw3> jnewt: Delete Ubuntu partition :)
[18:48] <jnewt> Borw3: that's the spirit!
[18:48] <Borw3> jnewt: But seriuosly, try entering tty1 and running update, maybe it may fix problem.
[19:00] <Guest1> Hi everyone. I suddenly see a connection to this ip address on my ubuntu server. "ipaddress:80/xmr"
[19:00] <Guest1> A quick glance at google says xmr is Monero the crypto currency, why is it running on port 80?
[19:01] <jnewt> ok, updated.  still can't login
[19:01] <Guest1> Isnt that port where web traffic goes?
[19:01] <jnewt> I mean I can login from command line, but no gui
[19:02] <akik> Guest1: some websites have added javascript code in their pages to run the monero client on your machine
[19:02] <akik> Guest1: this would mean a web browser on your machine running malicious javascript
[19:03] <Guest1> But the ip address on which the port is open and xmr is running isnt mine.
[19:03] <Guest1> The attacker made a connection to HIS machine I assume
[19:03] <jnewt> sudo service lightdm status gives some errors about_kwallet.so
[19:05] <EriC^^> my ubuntu server hangs while trying to ssh to it, if i provide a wrong password it says permission denied, the right password just leaves a prompt, it was working before, tried restarting it, vnc console works, any clues?
[19:06] <jnewt> pam_kwallet.so no such file or directory, also requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user
[19:06] <jnewt> how do I get gui login working again?
[19:10] <Guest1> Anyone here dabble in crypto currencies?
[19:11] <TJ-> EriC^^: did you reconfigure login shells recently ?
[19:12] <EriC^^> TJ-: nope, i didn't change anything
[19:12] <TJ-> EriC^^: does "ssh -vvv" report anything useful?
[19:12] <alkisg> EriC^^: tail -f /var/log/auth.log, try to login with the correct password, what does it say?
[19:13] <alkisg> (tail on the server..)
[19:15] <TJ-> EriC^^: does "ssh -t" work? (enforce a psuedo-tty)
[19:16] <EriC^^> TJ-: ssh -vvv seems to have worked, it took some time but eventually worked
[19:16] <TJ-> EriC^^: that suggests a timing issue, -vvv is just very verbose client logging
[19:16] <EriC^^> this is where it stalled for some time https://paste.ubuntu.com/26386970/
[19:17] <EriC^^> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26387010/
[19:17] <Lope> 100% free software linux phone https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
[19:18] <EriC^^> TJ-: yeah, it's working every time straight away now, maybe it was just some fluke
[19:18] <EriC^^> thanks anyways TJ- and alkisg :)
[19:19] <TJ-> EriC^^: I'd suspect the local client ssh-agent
[19:19] <EriC^^> aha
[19:23] <Platon> hola
[19:30] <jnewt> can someone help me get my DE working
[19:32] <tatertots> jnewt: the DE on Mobo: ASRock model: X99M Killer/3.1 Bios: American Megatrends v: P3.30 date: 03/25/2016 ???? yes or no
[19:33] <jnewt> yes
[19:33] <tatertots> jnewt: good this is you https://paste.ubuntu.com/26383028/
[19:34] <jnewt> yes, I am now physically at the machine
[19:35] <tatertots> jnewt: ideally you are physically at the  keyboard and able to see the standard output of that computer from your current vantage point.
[19:36] <jnewt> yes, I have terminal, but nothing else tatertots (am on my phone for irc)
[19:36] <tatertots> jnewt: i want you to press ctrl+alt+F7
[19:36] <Guy1524> hey guys, Ubuntu updated my kernel to 4.13, and uninstalled virtualbox's virtualbox-dkms package which provides the vboxdrv kernel module
[19:36] <tatertots> jnewt: i will wait
[19:36] <jnewt> have login prompt tatertots
[19:36] <Guy1524> I reinstalled it, but now whenever I try to start a VM is completely locks up my computer
[19:36] <Guy1524> I can't even go into a TTY
[19:36] <tatertots> jnewt: i want you to log in
[19:36] <Guy1524> and alt sysreq b doesn't even work
[19:37] <alkisg> Guy1524: it's strange that a kernel upgrade would "uninstall virtualbox-dkms"
[19:37] <alkisg> If you think that's what happened, pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:37] <Guy1524> yeah
[19:37] <jnewt> tatertots, if I try, the screens go blank and then I get the login prompt again
[19:37] <Guy1524> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26387146/
[19:38] <tatertots> jnewt: i understandd
[19:38] <tatertots> jnewt: ctrl+alt+F2
[19:38] <dreamcat4> i've had that happen to me too before
[19:38] <alkisg> Guy1524: as you can see, virtualbox-dkms wasn't uninstalled, you just upgraded it
[19:39] <pauljw> !Q
[19:39] <dreamcat4> cant remember what the issue was
[19:39] <Guy1524> I installed it after vbox said it was missing
[19:39] <tatertots> jnewt: and now?
[19:39] <jnewt> tatertots, have cli prompt
[19:39] <tatertots> click your heels threee times
[19:39] <tatertots> j/k
[19:39] <dreamcat4> maybe you need to try force reinstalling GDM
[19:39] <alkisg> Guy1524: you probably misunderstood the message. Maybe it meant that the drivers aren't working, possibly even due to a compilation error with the new kernel
[19:40] <Guy1524> huh
[19:40] <alkisg> Guy1524: sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms ==> pastebin the whole output of that
[19:40] <Guy1524> anyway, how do I diagnose the crash?
[19:40] <jnewt> tatertots:  am logged in via cli from previous attempts.
[19:40] <tatertots> jnewt: cool beans
[19:41] <tatertots> jnewt: journalctl -p 4|pastebinit
[19:41] <dreamcat4> you said you have ubuntu mate
[19:41] <dreamcat4> well what version of that? 16.04?
[19:42] <geirha> apt changelog virtualbox, says the latest change is: «* Fix kernel module build with new kernel 4.13 (LP: #1729568)»  might be related
[19:42] <tatertots> jnewt: i believe we've danced before
[19:42] <tatertots> jnewt: so you know the routine
[19:43] <dreamcat4> and do you have lightDM or GDM3 ?
[19:43] <zomaar> apt really deals terrible with slow connections
[19:43] <dreamcat4> for the login session manager
[19:43] <tatertots> jnewt: you okay ?
[19:43] <jnewt> tatertots: yeah, fell asleep last night reading that sosreport
[19:44] <jnewt> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26387164/ tatertots
[19:44] <Guy1524> virtualbox is completely up to date for me
[19:45] <zomaar> When a http connection times out for some reason it will put the file in FAILED state and then _restart_ the download, instead of continuing
[19:45] <zomaar> which can cause it to fail again
[19:45] <zomaar> in an endless loop
[19:45] <tatertots> jnewt: journalctl -p 3|pastebinit
[19:46] <jnewt> tatertots:  26387186
[19:47] <tatertots> jnewt: well there's your problem
[19:47] <tatertots> jnewt: if i paste it in here they'd hate me
[19:47] <tatertots> jnewt: give me a moment to do something more......civilized
[19:48] <tatertots> hate me more lol
[19:49] <tatertots> jnewt: here look see http://termbin.com/5hsg
[19:50] <jnewt> what did you do to earn this hatred tatertots
[19:51] <jnewt> tatertots, I used this computer two days ago, what happened?
[19:51] <jnewt> was there an update that broke it?
[19:51] <alexey_> abed
[19:52] <jnewt> wait, both of my monitors are hdmi
[19:56] <alexey_> CHAT
[19:56] <alexey_> wd
[19:56] <Guy1524> I fixed my issue with virtualbox
[19:57] <tatertots> jnewt: the verbiage used in the error http://termbin.com/5hsg suggests a "configuration" issue. System configuration is usually done by the/a system administrator/engineer.
[19:58] <tatertots> jnewt: have you informed the system administrator about the problem(s) with the system?
[19:58] <jnewt> well tatertots. I guess that is me, had it working two days ago
[19:58] <jnewt> I have no one to inform tatertots
[20:00] <tatertots> jnewt: did you gain any clarity from reading the reports from yesterday/lastnight?
[20:00] <tatertots> jnewt: it's okay to say no
[20:01] <TJ-> jnewt: what is the issue here? GUI log-in returns to the greeter log-on screen when your password is accepted?
[20:01] <tatertots> TJ-: the issue http://termbin.com/5hsg
[20:01] <jnewt> tatertots: not really
[20:02] <tatertots> that's the issue bottom line
[20:02] <TJ-> tatertots: no, that's not the issue. That's expected.
[20:02] <tatertots> with the date and all
[20:02] <jnewt> why did it work fine two days ago?
[20:02] <tatertots> TJ-: then you mean the "humans expectation" is the issue by default?
[20:02] <tatertots> TJ-: that i can agree with you on
[20:03] <p1und3r>  /nickserv identify ccftw
[20:03] <jnewt> was there a change in some update?
[20:03] <kostkon> p1und3r, quick change your password
[20:03] <TJ-> jnewt: Show us "pastebinit <( ls -latr $HOME; sudo cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log  /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log )"
[20:03] <ioria> that should be only a warning, or a uefi/csm issue , don't remember
[20:03] <tatertots> can't be both
[20:03] <tatertots> that's having cake and eating it too
[20:04] <ioria> jnewt, lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'  could be useful
[20:04] <TJ-> tatertots: the nvidia NVRM warning is when there's another framebuffer driver loaded, but it doesn't impact Xorg drivers - it can cause the tty consoles to be 'black' though
[20:05] <TJ-> ioria: that'll be in Xorg.0.log
[20:05] <p1und3r> kostkon: thanks, man that was lame :P
[20:05] <ioria> yep
[20:05] <kostkon> p1und3r, you're welcome
[20:06] <jnewt> that first one doesn't seem to be working.  everything between " " right TJ
[20:06] <TJ-> jnewt: yes
[20:06] <ioria> oh, maybe Quadro
[20:08] <xs2> hey I got xmobar to appear, however the keys were not working, so I added modMask = mod4Mask but to no avail also it doesn't seem to resize/place windows as well, what might be wrong? xmonad.hs http://termbin.com/88pc .xmobarrc http://termbin.com/134i .xsession http://termbin.com/t2nt
[20:09] <xs2> if i run xmonad --replace the blue line appears around the edges of the screen and I can't click anything
[20:10] <jnewt> 26387301
[20:11] <TJ-> jwash: thought so "root root     328 Jan 13 23:53 .Xauthority"
[20:12] <TJ-> jwash: at some point you've changed the ownership of vital files and directories to root, so your user cannot access them
[20:12] <ioria> jnewt, that was for you
[20:13] <TJ-> jnewt: thought so "root root     328 Jan 13 23:53 .Xauthority"
[20:13] <tatertots> TJ-: that's NOT the correct user
[20:13] <TJ-> ioria: thanks :P
[20:13] <TJ-> jnewt: at some point you've changed the ownership of vital files and directories to root, so your user cannot access them
[20:13] <ioria> jnewt, and maybe a lot of other root owed files ...
[20:13] <conr> Hi all. Why is the Xenial repo (Apache/2.4.18) behind the official release (Apache/2.4.29)? Do I have to use a PPA to upgrade?
[20:13] <TJ-> silly tab completition!
[20:13] <TJ-> jnewt: fix command coming up ...
[20:13] <jnewt> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26387316
[20:13] <kostkon> conr, do you really have to?
[20:14] <TJ-> jnewt: ... "sudo chown -R josh:josh $HOME"
[20:14] <kostkon> conr, have to upgrade
[20:14] <conr> kostkon: Why would I not want the latest version?
[20:14] <TJ-> jnewt: if that fails you've also got a problem with your /etc/groups since I notice 'ls' doesn't show a user group, only the GID 1000
[20:15] <kostkon> conr, that's debatable. do you really need the latest version though. Is a feature missing from the version in the repos
[20:15] <TJ-> jnewt: what does "getent group josh" report ?
[20:16] <diamvw> Hello, i try to add a kernel module with "modprobe xxxxx" and i get not allowed. I have secure boot turn, but when i switched it off everything is working as expected. Is there any detailed tutorial?
[20:16] <conr> kostkon: Not all upgrades are features, but security patches.
[20:16] <tatertots> TJ-: looks like it wasn't "human expectation/error" after all eh
[20:17] <TJ-> tatertots: we see this login loop frequently due to $HOME/.Xauthority being owned by root - not seen so much of a $HOME root-owned in a long time though :)
[20:17] <TJ-> tatertots: looks like someone has been abusing sudo or su
[20:18] <TJ-> jnewt: how are you getting on?
[20:18] <glitchd> hello all
[20:18] <jnewt> slow.  1 min TJ
[20:19] <glitchd> looking for a bit of help with xscreensaver, and getting no response in #xubuntu
[20:19] <kostkon> conr, i am pretty sure the version in the repos receives security updates
[20:20] <jnewt> ok TJ, I am logged in!  let me read your other thing and switch from this phone to the pc
[20:20] <kostkon> glitchd, you can ask here as well yes
[20:20] <glitchd> kostkon, thx
[20:20] <glitchd> is there anyway to stop xscreenaver from posting messages? i use a script to activate the screensaver on another machine, this script funs in a loop to keep the screensaver active if mouse movement disables it. since its running in a loop, it posts messages that its being toggled while already active. this is a bit annoying.
[20:20] <TJ-> jnewt: great! waiting :)
[20:20] <glitchd> *runs
[20:20] <tatertots> TJ-: someone?...like a human?
[20:21] <TJ-> tatertots: nah, some bash AI script trying to test us!
[20:22] <tatertots> TJ-: his Ubuntu 16.04 system shown here https://paste.ubuntu.com/26383028/ has "bash AI scripts"???? Did canonical put them there ?
[20:22] <glitchd> or better yet, is there a way to have the screensaver reactivate if it gets deactivated, without running a script in a loop?
[20:23] <jnewt_> TJ: josh:x:1001
[20:23] <kostkon> glitchd, with a bit of python or bash and dbus calls maybe
[20:24] <TJ-> jnewt_: right, what have you been doing to that system!!? the files in $HOME have group ownership of GID 1000, but your josh group is 1001 "?
[20:24] <glitchd> kostkon, thats a bit above my paygrade lol
[20:24] <TJ-> jnewt: what does "getent group 1000" report?
[20:24] <kostkon> glitchd, dbus signal catching and calling
[20:24] <conr> kostkon: There's a patch in Apache/2.4.27. http://ftp.wayne.edu/apache//httpd/patches/apply_to_2.4.27/
[20:25] <jnewt> TJ: nothing
[20:25] <TJ-> glitchd: why not be smart and just disable the mouse?
[20:25] <ioria> jnewt, paste again ls  -l /home/josh
[20:25] <kostkon> glitchd, redirected its output to /dev/null or stderr i don't know then
[20:25] <kostkon> redirect*
[20:26] <TJ-> jnewt: OK, so open a terminal:  now "ls -latr $HOME" should show all dirs/files owned by "josh josh" rather than "josh 1000" is that correct?
[20:26] <jnewt> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26387400/
[20:26] <TJ-> jnewt: if it is correct you've fixed it
[20:26] <brainwash> glitchd: use xscreensaver-command
[20:26] <glitchd> TJ-, less condescending comments would be appreciated.
[20:27] <TJ-> glitchd: I was not being condesending, I was suggesting a smart way to avoid messing with screensaver
[20:27] <jnewt> TJ-, all josh josh
[20:27] <glitchd> brainwash, im already using xscreensaver --command in the script
[20:27] <ioria> jnewt, sorry,  ls  -la  /home/josh
[20:27] <TJ-> jnewt: OK, you're all done then. Don't break it again :p
[20:27] <TJ-> jnewt: And don't run GUI with sudo/su or other root-gaining tools
[20:28] <brainwash> glitchd: I didn't say "xscreensaver --command"
[20:29] <jnewt> TJ-, i may have done that.  could that have caused the issue (trying to get my gui running using su sudo?
[20:29] <brainwash> glitchd: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/xscreensaver-command.1.html
[20:29] <TJ-> jnewt: it *did* do it since if you run it as root all josh's dirs and files can get owned by root
[20:29] <glitchd> TJ-, the computer in question here is machine i use as a server, it doesnt have a physical mouse or keyboard attached. i use synergy to control it from my laptop. at the same time i use this machine to play music from. i like to have the screen turned off/screensaver activated. since i play music from the machine, i cant have the screen power off, otherwise the music doesnt play. to get around this i use xscreensaver to blank the
[20:29] <glitchd> screen. i run the script in a loop so the screensaver is reacitvate if it turns off for whatever reason.
[20:30] <jnewt> and what's that stuff tatertots was showing me about nvidia vga support TJ?
[20:30] <ioria> jnewt,    last thing :    lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'       not sure your Quadro is configured
[20:31] <jnewt> ioria: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1430 (rev a1)
[20:31] <jnewt> 	Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1190
[20:31] <jnewt> 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[20:31] <ioria> ok
[20:31] <jnewt> all good?
[20:31] <ioria> yep
[20:31] <TJ-> glitchd: oh, that's weird. so a GUI app in the foreground suspends/pauses when the monitor is DPMS > off ?
[20:31] <CoderEurope> Hiya - i cannot get accessories back on my xubuntu menu - how do I correct this 'cos the tweak menu dont work at all.
[20:31] <jnewt> ok, i'll try to not break it again, thanks everyone.
[20:31] <glitchd> TJ-, yes
[20:32] <Toozen> t
[20:32] <akik> jnewt: you can limit the damage if you always use either "sudo -i cmd" or "sudo su -"
[20:32] <CoderEurope> y
[20:32] <glitchd> TJ-, im not using a monitor, im using a 42" flat screen tv
[20:32] <TJ-> glitchd: which desktop environment are you using? I know there used to be config options to prevent that behaviour in the power settings
[20:33] <TJ-> glitchd: as far as the PC is concerned it's a monitor though - a video output renderer :)
[20:33] <glitchd> tj the speakers are in the tv, so if i use dpms to turn off the display, the tv goes to sleep and the sound stops.
[20:33] <glitchd> TJ-, im using xubuntu as my DE
[20:34] <TJ-> glitchd: same here, let me check. I actually use pulseaudio over the network to do multi-room audio output to headless devices so it can follow me
[20:34] <glitchd> TJ-, here is the script i use to enable the screensaver, https://pastebin.com/W15RCSdi
[20:37] <TJ-> glitchd: you're using xscreensaver instead of light-locker? My xubuntu is using light-locker
[20:37] <glitchd> yea i switch to xscreensaver from light-locker
[20:41] <jnewt> so when i want to use cutecom (which i do regularly, it doesn't work from the DE, i have to open a terminal and start it with sudo.   It can't open serial ports without sudo.  can i modify it's permissions or something to where I can just use it without a terminal and sudo?
[20:42] <TJ-> glitchd: OK, this is for light-locker on Xubuntu, so you know. In Settings > Power Manager > Security > Light Locker > "Automatically lock the session", change from "When the screensaver is activated" to "When the screensaver is deactivated" or "Never"
[20:43] <glitchd> TJ-, ok thx for the tip, if i switch back to light-locker, ill set that up. much appreciated.
[20:44] <TJ-> glitchd: have you seen the Wiki page on debugging screen locking? It has a section on "Screensaver Inhibiting" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingScreenLocking/HowScreenLockingWorks
[20:45] <glitchd> TJ-, no i havent, but i will have a look, thx again
[20:45] <TJ-> glitchd: there's a small section at the end for XFCE and how it does it to
[20:45] <TJ-> too
[20:46] <akik> jnewt: have you tried adding your user to the dialout group? the serial ports are owned by that group
[20:47] <ioria> jnewt, i don't use that, but this page does not say anything about sudo  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cutecom     (maybe missing)
[20:47] <jnewt> akik: i did do usermod -a -G dialout josh , but when i do groups, dialout isn't in the list
[20:48] <akik> jnewt: you need to logout and login again
[20:49] <TJ-> glitchd: also, see the man page for "xdg-screensaver suspend <WindowID>", used with , I think, wmctrl, you could grab the window ID of the music player and pass that to xdg-screensaver suspend, meaning it won't activate whilst the application is active
[20:52] <TJ-> glitchd: another possible solution apparently - this is the easiest - is to simply add your user to the "audio" group :)
[20:53] <ghostnik11> hi i have the language packs added but still can't change the keyboard to a different language
[20:54] <ioria> two different things
[20:55] <ioria> ghostnik11, text entry settings
[20:55] <ghostnik11> ioria, i went to the language settings and i have spanish, french and portugese selected
[20:56] <ioria> ok
[20:56] <TJ-> ghostnik11: were you using "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" ?
[20:56] <glitchd> TJ-, that isnt the issue. even if im in the audio group, the tv cant play music if the dpms turns it off.
[20:57] <ioria> ghostnik11, you can have a kb layout with/without the relative language pack
[20:57] <TJ-> glitchd: ahhh! so simply need to prevent DPMS, which is easy in power settings.
[20:58] <TJ-> glitchd: It should just require Power Manager > Display > Handle display power management being disabled
[20:58] <ghostnik11> TJ-, usually you can click on the language icon in task bar of ubuntu 16.04 and i am suppose to get an option to change the language layout
[20:58] <ghostnik11> for keyboard
[20:58] <ghostnik11> ioria, okay how can i do that
[20:58] <ioria> ghostnik11, text entry settings   , again
[20:59] <ghostnik11> ioria, okay i see what you mean
[21:00] <TJ-> ghostnik11: do you have packages installed:  ubuntu-keyboard-spanish ubuntu-keyboard-french ubuntu-keyboard-portugese ?
[21:01] <ghostnik11> TJ-, yeah i have the packages installed but ioria was correct i needed to go into text settings
[21:02] <TJ-> ghostnik11: so you're sorted out now?
[21:03] <glitchd> TJ-, thank for the help, ill just have to deal with seeing the messages i suppose
[21:03] <ghostnik11> TJ-, yeah thanks for the help. other quick question: when i plug in an hdmi cable into my tablet port it loads on my flat screen but then at times when i am watching a movie or video it will then like refresh the tv screen and show the size and the hrtz
[21:03] <ghostnik11> TJ-, why does that happen
[21:04] <TJ-> ghostnik11: that suggests the plugs are being moved and disconnecting momentarily
[21:04] <ghostnik11> TJ-, yeah but its plugged in well and at times will do it a few times then just stop and the flat screen wont refresh again and stay normal
[21:05] <TJ-> ghostnik11: the TV is telling you the mode when it reconnects.
[21:05] <TJ-> ghostnik11: the only other thing it could be is the GPU turning off the output port briefly - could it be power-savings settings related?
[21:11] <Cedara> evening
[21:13] <ghostnik11> TJ-, i will have to check but in display i have the screen mirriored
[21:13] <TJ-> check /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog for any indication of power events when it next happens
[21:15] <Cedara> can I use gnome-twitch if I run a unity desktop in 16.04 ?
[21:15] <ghostnik11> TJ-, okayi will check when i go back home and do it b/c where i am i don't have access to internet so easily
[21:16] <akik> Cedara: usually when the library dependencies are installed. try it?
[21:17] <Cedara> @akik the usual command? sudo apt-get install gnome-twitch (I'm insecure on the shell - not much experience except for updating)
[21:17] <Scytale89> Cedera: There is a working flatpak on flathub. Maybe you have to add the flatpak ppa
[21:17] <Cedara> ok
[21:17] <Cedara> I look that up first before trying
[21:19] <Cedara> there's a how-to on tipsonubuntu.com where they suggest ppas to use.
[21:20] <Cedara> may I post the link?
[21:20] <akik> Cedara: sure thing
[21:20] <Cedara> that's how I got the idea in the first place - same problem as said there
[21:20] <Cedara> http://tipsonubuntu.com/2016/08/11/instal-gnome-twitch-ubuntu-16-04/
[21:20] <Cedara> friend has a minecraft server, need the mods that I get with the twitch app
[21:27] <zomaar> Baah, the dosbox package has been broken for three Ubuntu releases
[21:27] <zomaar> First to be fixed again in Bionic
[21:28] <zomaar> And Xenial
[21:29] <zomaar> It got introduced by a newer version of GCC
[21:30] <Cedara> later
[21:32] <CoderEurope> What printer do ~I use with Linux or gnu/linux ?
[21:33] <zomaar> No clue
[21:33] <zomaar> Both my printers work though
[21:33] <zomaar> Scanner is more difficult I think
[21:35] <zomaar> HP is probably best supported in Linux
[21:35] <nsoffer> I have an issue on travis using ubuntu trusty - program linked to libaio is linked successfuly, but fail in runtime with undefined symbol from libaio
[21:35] <zomaar> Because of the hplip utility
[21:35] <nsoffer> looking in the list of file of the package: https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/libaio-dev/filelist
[21:36] <nsoffer> it installed the shared library in the wrong place: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libaio.so
[21:37] <nsoffer> no issue to build same program locally on fedora, libaio installed at /usr/lib64
[21:37] <zomaar> Ok
[21:37] <zomaar> You can use patchelf to fix it
[21:39] <zomaar> There's just little point in worrying about individual build-packages from Trusty being wrong...
[21:41] <akik> zomaar: trusty is a supported version until 2019
[21:42] <zomaar> Still gives me a headache lol
[21:42] <zomaar> Building software yourself is bad enough
[21:43] <zomaar> Let's say the point of my message was build-packages, not Trusty
[22:36] <algid> what is the keystroke combination that is like cntrol-s but it adds another key as well
[22:45] <oem> er
[22:53] <algid> it's like control-shift-s or osmething
[22:58] <rena_> Hi, trying to install this https://github.com/oblique/create_ap I messed up with my network config and now my wifi card is disabled. Ethernet still works though. Is there a way to reset everything easily?
[22:58] <nsoffer> solved, libaio-dev is fine, the error was in my makefile
[22:59] <rena_> [using ubuntu gnome btw]
[23:07] <parallel21> I made a preseed auto-install usb of ubuntu-server
[23:07] <parallel21> How do I keep my server from auto-installing on reboot?
[23:40] <Jautenim> hi
[23:43] <rypervenche> Jautenim: Hi there.
[23:54] <partitionPolen> blah