[01:37] <jimtendo> Hi guys, I've installed the plasma-workspace-wayland package on my Kubuntu 17.10 laptop and it appears to work fairly smoothly :) However, sometimes I use a dual monitor setup where the second monitor's resolution has to be set manually using xrandr (as I'm not given an option for the correct resolution in KDE's Display Management). Is there an "xrandr" alternative available for Wayland or does anyone know of a tutorial that might show me how to add my
[01:37] <jimtendo> monitor's resolution for Wayland?
[02:45] <valorie> jimtendo: maybe ask in #kde or #kde-devel?
[02:46] <valorie> because that should be available via kscreen IMO
[02:46] <valorie> and if it isn't available, that's a bug in my opinion
[04:11] <jimtendo> Thanks valorie, will have a go there :)
[05:44] <Guest73702> hello?
[05:47] <valorie> hi, Guest73702
[05:47] <valorie> how can we help
[05:53] <Guest73702> hi just had a quick curious question. I recently noticed that when i go to wireless something i have to manually select the driver from a list of hundreds I came from Linux Mint where the driver was automattically found and installed and wondered why kubuntu doesn't do that
[05:54] <Guest73702> wirelessly print something""
[05:54] <valorie> you could check in krunner (alt space) and just type printer
[05:55] <valorie> should take you to the command module
[05:55] <valorie> when I print wirelessly no driver is required
[05:55] <valorie> that said, it's hooked up to my husband's computer
[05:56] <Guest73702> no printers appear on krunner for me only files on my drive
[05:56] <Guest73702> and programs
[05:57] <valorie> how about "driver"
[05:57] <valorie> or printer driver
[05:58] <valorie> there is a little application called driver-manager, but IMO that only installs graphics drivers, microcode etc
[05:58] <Guest73702> yea i clicked on it checking it out now
[05:58] <Guest73702> still collecting info
[05:59] <valorie> yes, it's very slow
[05:59] <valorie> much slower than it seems it should be
[05:59] <Guest73702> your right it's just has some option about microcode for the intel cpu
[05:59] <Guest73702> that's it
[06:00] <Guest73702> it just"
[06:00] <valorie> when I search for a printer it only shows me the ones available
[06:00] <valorie> ok, if it suggests microcode, better install it
[06:00] <valorie> that is a fix for the recent meltdown/spectre attacks IMO
[06:00] <valorie> err, as far as I know
[06:01] <valorie> I have done so and rebooted and all is well
[06:01] <Guest73702> really? I read that that was fixed by updating the kernel which i did
[06:02] <valorie> separate fix
[06:02] <valorie> on a different level
[06:02] <valorie> it's a pretty bad bug
[06:03] <valorie> and from what I've read, the fixes so far don't entirely fix the whole problem
[06:03] <valorie> we'll have to wait for the next generation of chips I think
[06:04] <Guest73702> ok installing by the printer does appear in the printer app
[06:04] <Guest73702> by the way"""
[06:06] <valorie> excellent
[06:09] <Guest73702> i did before as well my question was why i have to manually select the driver from a huge list
[06:10] <Guest73702> also the config printer shows the printers in dupilcate
[06:10] <Guest73702> even same IP
[06:11] <Guest73702> config printer tool""
[06:11] <valorie> sounds like a bug to me
[06:14] <jimtendo> valorie: Don't think this one is a bug. Basically, when you add a Printer for the first time, I'm pretty sure you have to manually select the Driver (KDE does not auto-detect). I haven't tried Mint, so can't comment on Mint's behaviour
[06:15] <valorie> well, it wouldn't be so much detection as prediction
[06:15] <Guest73702> jimtendo: has it been suggested to add auto-detection?
[06:16] <valorie> it's been years since I had to select such a thing since I usually use a laptop
[06:16] <valorie> can't remember the last time I messed with cups
[06:16] <valorie> wireless Just Works
[06:16] <Guest73702> I can't imagine it'd be hard to add to the code of the tool
[06:17] <Guest73702> im on a laptop rn
[06:17] <Guest73702> lol
[06:17] <valorie> now that I rarely print!
[06:17] <valorie> maps and directions are on my phone
[06:19] <coder123> i wanted to ask about it because in the heat of the moment i ended up using my phone to print since i couldn't deal with swifting through the list of drivers
[06:20] <coder123> sifting"
[06:20] <jimtendo> Guest73702: I'm not sure... but I think the manual selection is deliberate behaviour. I think it stems from the fact that the same printer can work with different drivers, but am not sure on this. I don't print often.
[06:20] <valorie> used your phone to print!
[06:20] <valorie> life is strange
[06:21] <jimtendo> coder123: If what I wrote before is correct, then the best thing it might be able to do is "pre-select" the recommended driver while allowing the user to switch to another one if they so choose.
[06:22] <valorie> agreed
[06:22] <valorie> "suggested" then all the others
[06:24] <coder123> of course and yeah i was wondering about the possibility of the printer working with multiple drivers but i'd imagine that if that was the case that it detected as such the list would only contain 5 or drivers
[06:24] <coder123> is there a kubuntu dev channel?
[06:26] <valorie> yes, #kubuntu-devel
[06:26] <valorie> however, we don't make that stuff - either KDE devels do, or Ubuntu devels
[06:26] <valorie> depending
[06:27] <valorie> most of what Kub devels do is package, test, and sometimes fix bugs in whatever upstream makes sense
[06:27] <coder123> really? they don't write the kde apps?
[06:28] <valorie> of course sometimes Kubuntu devels also are Ubuntu devels and/or Debian devels, or work in Plasma or one of the other KDE teams
[06:28] <valorie> KDE is an enormous community
[06:28] <valorie> Kub is a tiny team
[06:29] <valorie> although we're always looking to expand the team!
[06:29] <valorie> some of our devels have in the past also been KDE application devels yes
[06:30] <valorie> however KDE applications pretty much run everywhere, including windows and now android and other phones
[06:30] <coder123> gotcha ok
[06:31] <coder123> oh wow
[06:31] <valorie> going pretty well because KDE now has a robust CI system testing the builds of everything on everything
[06:32] <coder123> CI?
[06:32] <valorie> which.... that CI system was built by a Kubuntu devel
[06:32] <valorie> continuous integration
[06:32] <coder123> oh ok gotcha
[06:32] <valorie> takes the latest commits and builds and tests from git
[06:32] <valorie> not just released stuff
[06:32] <valorie> we do the same thing in Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[06:33] <coder123> valorie are you a dev by any chance?
[06:33] <valorie> with our packages
[06:33] <valorie> a dev yes, and not a coder
[06:33] <valorie> :-)
[06:33] <valorie> I'm the release manager and on the Kubuntu Council
[06:34] <coder123> oh wow it's great to meet you
[06:34] <valorie> nice to meet you too, coder123
[06:35] <valorie> I blog as "linux grandma" if you read either planet
[06:35] <coder123> cool
[06:36] <jimtendo> valorie: do you know if there are any plans of integrating a crypto wallet into Kubuntu by default? Or if this is something that might be considered by Kubuntu if a suitable KDE Wallet existed?
[06:37] <valorie> kwallet is encrypted
[06:37] <valorie> has been for a long time
[06:37] <jimtendo> valorie: Sorry, I meant cryptocurrency*
[06:37] <valorie> oh
[06:37] <valorie> not sure there is anything like that yet
[06:37] <valorie> by default -- I doubt it
[06:38] <valorie> but if KDE produces it, we usually package it
[06:38] <valorie> if it's in Debian, it generally ends up in the archive, which is available to all users, no matter the desktop/flavor they use
[06:39] <coder123> valorie: I love kubuntu because of it's customization i installed kubuntu on my main computer i use for work/school because i specifically needed ubuntu to install a program for school but wanted to have the funnest ubuntu flavor possible :)
[06:39] <valorie> yay!
[06:39] <valorie> we try to be the friendliest
[06:40] <valorie> but most fun -- I'll take it!
[06:40] <jimtendo> I'm currently working on a modular one I've titled "KPay" that uses QML (so that other devices are supported)... it's a long way off being usable. Was hoping someone else might be working on something similar.
[06:41] <valorie> jimtendo: please write to kde-devel ML about that
[06:41] <valorie> and put your code on kde infra
[06:42] <valorie> you may be asked to enter https://community.kde.org/Incubator
[06:42] <jimtendo> valorie: Thanks, will do in a few weeks. I just want to clean up the architecture a bit before doing so.
[06:42] <valorie> which is a process we use to onboard new applicaitons
[06:42] <valorie> don't wait too long!
[06:42] <valorie> you will coding hints along the way
[06:42] <valorie> believe me
[06:42] <valorie> germans can be quite nit-picky!
[06:43] <valorie> lol
[06:43] <valorie> but there are tools to help remove common errors and stuff like extra whitespace too
[06:43] <coder123> valorie: I'd love to join the dev team but idk if id have time i have my last semester this spring for the CS degree...possibly after though kde is the coolest enviromnent I've seen among distros :)
[06:43] <valorie> the point is that it's a team
[06:44] <coder123> ofc
[06:44] <valorie> you get built in infra, such as git, the CI, lists, irc channel, a forum if you want, bugzilla, translators, the VDG
[06:44] <valorie> and on and on
[06:44] <valorie> it's great
[06:44] <jimtendo> haha, okay... I'll apply for the incubator tonight when I get some time. It'd be good to get some feedback from the other devs on whether the architecture makes sense.
[06:45] <valorie> first: write to the devel list with your thoughts
[06:46] <valorie> you'll need someone to offer to guide you through
[06:46] <valorie> and I'm not a coder so I can't do it
[06:46] <valorie> but you can drop my name if you want
[06:46] <coder123> valorie are you saying I'd have to apply for a specific dev position?
[06:46] <valorie> no
[06:46] <valorie> KDE is an anarchist collective, really
[06:46] <valorie> lol
[06:47] <valorie> but someone with a desire to have what you are offering
[06:47] <valorie> AND the knowledge of how to get you there
[06:47] <valorie> will help
[06:47] <valorie> you gotta tell 'em first
[06:47] <coder123> gotcha
[06:47] <valorie> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel < subscribe
[06:48] <valorie> watch your mail for the link to click to say yes, nobody spammed this
[06:50] <valorie> now, when you get Developer status, you do have to have someone say "yes, I trust this person and so can you"
[06:50] <valorie> but you don't need that right away
[06:51] <valorie> one step at a time
[06:51] <coder123> gotcha
[06:52] <coder123> I'll email that address mentioned in the link cuz the captcha doesn't show for me
[06:53] <valorie> ok
[06:54] <coder123> valorie: would i be able to out right ask for developer status adter doing a couple of commits?
[06:54] <coder123> after"
[06:55] <valorie> probably yes
[06:55] <valorie> especially if you are in the incubator
[06:56] <valorie> do you have a KDE identity now?
[06:56] <valorie> identity.kde.org
[06:57] <coder123> no i don't
[06:57] <valorie> if not, you'll need it for phabricator
[06:57] <valorie> which is the review place, task boards, etc.
[06:57] <valorie> eventually it will bit the git host as I understand it
[06:58] <coder123> is phabricator and incubator ranks?
[06:58] <valorie> sorta clunky but I'm getting used to it
[06:58] <valorie> phabricator is a piece of software
[06:58] <coder123> the framework?
[06:58] <valorie> incubator is just the name of the process for getting someone with a new app "into" the KDE community
[06:59] <valorie> set up on all the infra they want, etc.
[06:59] <coder123> oh ok
[06:59] <valorie> like incubating an egg, if you've ever seen that process
[07:00] <valorie> we're sort of in the wrong chan for this discussion
[07:01] <valorie> we should be in #kde-devel
[07:01] <valorie> for this
[07:01] <valorie> apologies for not suggesting that earlier
[07:01] <valorie> I get all enthused and forget
[07:02] <coder123> lol np
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:08] <valorie> morning lordievader
[07:08] <lordievader> Hey valorie , how are you doing?
[07:09] <valorie> good!
[07:09] <valorie> and you?
[07:09] <lordievader> Doing allright here 😁
[07:10] <valorie> new year is always great
[07:10] <valorie> clean slate
[07:12] <coder123> valorie: thanks for the links I've saved them and I'll revist them when I'm ready. hope to see you around
[07:12] <valorie> excellent!
[07:12] <valorie> I'm always around
[07:13] <coder123> :)
[09:27] <sreejith> I am a beginner is it okay to install Ubuntu and start developing because I can't install both kubuntu and kde neon
[09:28] <sreejith> Will os make any difference
[09:29] <acheronuk> sreejith: developing what?
[09:53] <markus_d> If you want to use kde kubuntu is just ealier IMHO
[09:54] <markus_d> You want to program for kde?
[09:57] <lordievader> sreejith has already left 😉
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:15] <arran> Hello
[12:15] <arran> I had to purge the app tvbrowser and have reinstalled it. Now, I get a message, that my Java Runtime is too old. How do I install an upgraded one?
[12:16] <arran>  (Kubuntu 14.04.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> tvbrowser?
[12:28] <arran> aye. does what it says, over 1000 channels with their programes for about a months.
[12:30] <BluesKaj> arran, where did you install it frpm?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> from
[12:31] <arran> From a deb download of ubunuusers.de
[12:34] <arran> I use it since about 6 years, with regular upgrades. Yesterday all was perfectly OK, but this morning when I startet the program, I got a message that the starter file is faulty.
[12:50] <lordievader> arran: Could you link to it?
[13:10] <fifi> halko
 Good day everyone!
[20:09] <sononuovo24> hello
[20:09] <sononuovo24> help me
[20:10] <sononuovo24> I can not install some programs
 @sononuovo24, Which program are you having problems with?
[20:11] <sononuovo24> teamspeak and minecraft
[20:11] <sononuovo24> chrome
[20:12] <sononuovo24> the problem and that does not give me errors, but I can not find the folder
[20:12] <krytarik> sononuovo24: Please stick to one support channel.
[20:13] <sononuovo24> ok
[20:13] <sononuovo24> kubuntu tis chan support not?
[20:14] <krytarik> Yes, but you're also asking the same in #ubuntu.
[20:15] <sononuovo24> sorry
[20:16] <sononuovo24> I ask here, then I'm downloading minecraft and teamspeak, I load the folder but can not find it ..
[20:17] <sononuovo24> nothing error
[20:18] <sononuovo24> kubuntu is not the same as ubuntu?
[20:21] <krytarik> Different desktop, yes.
[20:22] <sononuovo24> even with the commands?
[20:22] <krytarik> No.
[20:23] <sononuovo24> ok
[21:02] <shawn_ges> File permission help?  I have a file that is chown'd by nginx:adm and has the following permissions:  -rw-r----- .  I have a user who is a member of the adm group.  So this suggests they *should* be able to read the file, but I get  permission errors when I try.  Thoughts?
[21:03] <shawn_ges> The appropropriate permissions exist up the path as well - the adm group can in fact read from this file (another process using the adm user)
[21:06] <shawn_ges> hmm.. nm.  Seems it is a scripting problem.  su myuser && less myfile  shows me the contents of the file as that user.  So permissions seem correct.
[21:07] <shawn_ges> must be something about the ssh shell then
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[22:22] <ajshell1> Hello. I recently installed Kubuntu, and I'm getting "{ DRDY ERR }" messages whenever I try to boot with one of my optical drives plugged into the motherboard.
[22:23] <ajshell1> I have a video showing what happens if anyone wants to take a look: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RcCz8V7PO_lMv-77gQX4Jqx8oQaY1DmI/view?usp=sharing
[22:31] <ajshell1> My motherboard is a MSI Gaming 5 Z97