[00:26] Has there already been a Russian translation of the ut UI? I am able to make one. [00:40] Another question: isn't it a security hole if no matter what username you enter during installation, it gets set to 'phablet'? With a weak enough password (especially this 4 digit long PIN) an attacker might be able to recover it. Please comment. [00:42] You aren't creating a username, you're adding your preferred name. [00:42] Your username is always `phablet`. And very short passwords have always been rather insecure. [00:43] @inchw0rm, translate.ubports.com [00:47] @UniversalSuperBox, Those freaky Russians tho, omg they're so fast in picking up translations. I ducking hate 'em. Cyka [00:47] Uh [00:48] @UniversalSuperBox, Kiddin' sry [01:09] @Stereofont, Are you sure? All I heard is that Halium is build to run on Z4 Tablet Compact, not on Z2 Tablet Compact? :-) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:16] Hi! … i need help... >< … i made these: … systemimage … hybris-boot … soo … how can i make ubuntu? … i dont got it.. … https://github.com/Halium/rootfs-builder/blob/ubuntu/build.sh … http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/Distribution.html#startup-sequence [07:20] @inchw0rm, You’re a sensitive boy, ain’t you Tommy? [07:27] Mental Ataxia was added by: Mental Ataxia [07:28] Sup all! … Is there any specific channel where I can ask a few questions about Ubuntu Touch? :) [07:32] this is probably the place [07:32] @Mental Ataxia, Welcome Mental ! … Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for some basic information, feel free to ask here!🙂 [07:32] @Mental Ataxia, Hi … https://t.me/WelcomePlus [07:33] Thanks guys! I'll give the welcome page a look and will ask questions soon! :) [07:33] ... or not ;) [07:33] We'll see ;p [07:37] Stats.ubports.com is down [07:49] VYCPTI77NM was added by: VYCPTI77NM [07:51] Does Ubuntu Phone support the Telegram or Signal apps in OS? [07:54] @VYCPTI77NM, Yes [07:54] 👍 [08:01] Telegram no pblm [08:01] but signal... I'm not sure [08:06] Did you know that Signal is available as a native Ubuntu Touch app? … Today an update was released for Signal which now has a passphrase-secured message storage which you can activate under the preferences. … Enjoy and thanks to Aaron Kimmig for the hard work on this. … https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/textsecure.nanuc … #ubports -app [08:07] Fwd from UBports News Channel: Did you know that Signal is available as a native Ubuntu Touch app? … Today an update was released for Signal which now has a passphrase-secured message storage which you can activate under the preferences. … Enjoy and thanks to Aaron Kimmig for the hard work on this. … https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/textsecure.nanuc … #ubports -app [08:10] Hi @VYCPTI77NM! I'm parrt of the Welcoming Team. To get up to speed, please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome. Be careful with the Signal app though, it doesn't supported logging in other devices and even logs you out on existing connected ones. [08:11] Awesome, good to know. Thanks you three [08:12] Just installed UT on my old Nexus 5 [08:13] looks much nicer than last time I tried it, about a year ago [08:28] Okay guys, few questions: … 1 - Are Web-based apps usable? Can one create shortcuts for these? Will they run on phone and in convergence? … 2 - I see the Wire messaging app hasn't migrated from the Ubuntu store over to the OpenApps store. Any chance I can get it running with Anbox? … 3 - Does the Fairphone 2 support convergence? (I saw it for the Nexus 5, but unsure about the Fairphone) … 4 - Is OpenVPN available? I went through the f [08:28] threads regarding it, but a straight up answer would be appreciated. … 5 - What is the current state of convergence? What I mean is, is it something you guys actually use? … 6 - What's the status of web browser addons? … 7 - Considering the reach of Appimages, are there any plans to support it or shift focus from snaps to appimages? I understand there may be underlying compatibiltiy reasons for not switching, just looking to understand the landscape [08:28] Considering Ubuntu is running on the phone, is it fair to expect that most things that run on ubuntu desktop will run the same way on the phone and in convergence? I don't mean they will work, I simply mean, in the background, they run the same way, even if unstable. This gives me a picture of how the underlying OS runs, in comparison to what we actually get shown to us. … I don't mind having to do research and workarounds to fix things, been used to it as [08:28] user, I really need something new and different to scratch that itch, and perhaps I'll even find I can contribute to the project. Just looking to see which phone I should go for, and what I can expect in a fair way. My main messaging app is Wire, so clearly I already feel somewhat crippled, but willing to give it a go nonetheless. … Thanks in advance! [08:31] One last thing, the Nexus 5 is supported, what about the 5X? [08:42] Now I feel stupid, question 1 partially answered in the Ubuntu Touch Documentation :) [08:49] i'll answer 3: convergence through cable is (currently!) only supported on the nexus 5. the other more powerfull phones can do it wireless through aethercast (miracast) with a ~100ms delay [08:49] it only runs on the nexus 5 because it requires specific hardwarae [08:50] nexus 5X will probably be available at some point in the future when we've migrated onto 16.04 through halium, but eta's are impossible [08:51] 5x won't do convergence though [08:52] @rogieroudshoorn, Is the opo one of those powerfull phones? [08:53] i think so, but i don't own one myself so don't take just my word for it [08:56] Interesting. What the progress like on Halium and its integration? [08:58] FP2 one of the powerful ones? [09:01] i think so, but i don't own one myself so don't take just my word for it [09:02] i only own a weak one (BQ E4.5) [09:10] @rogieroudshoorn What's your experience been like? [09:11] considering the stupidly bad hardware, that phone is surprisingly usefull [09:11] Well, it's weak, but I love my BQ4.5...😎 [09:12] most things "just work", and it is a proper linux machine [09:12] That's really good to hear. [09:12] personally i'd love to see it on high-end convergent hardware [09:13] Before Ubuntu Touch, were you an Android or iOS user? Or something else? [09:14] Android (LineageOS) [09:15] How was the switch, especially when it comes to apps? [09:17] i don't use that many, and even i had to do commandline stuff to get CARDDAV running to my nextcloud [09:18] no comparision to ios/android [09:22] when anbox is introduced, it'll massively help [09:27] @ignorare, I checked the official list. Anyone porting who hasn't added details should do so [09:27] Yeah, I was wondering what the progress on it is like. [09:30] @Mental Ataxia, Not yet but very likely will be in future [09:33] @Mental Ataxia, That is pretty much a book. Don't expect direct equivalence between Ubuntu Touch and 'desktop' distros. As with Anbox, expect some things to work the same out if the box, others to work but not have full functionality, others really nothing at all [09:34] Hack around and extend on a case by case basis but move away away from 'daily user' mode in the process [09:35] There is an app for making webapps [09:36] uMatriks Marius does video chat for now [09:38] putting anbox on ubuntu touch is the best thing that was done [09:38] Early convergence relied on some hacks which have degraded as development has progressed. When 16.04 is stable, convergence can be built up again, in a more solid fashion [09:38] I seriously think we should donate some money to the Anbox developers... [09:38] Maybe some crowdfunding or something like this. They are doing an amazing job and refresh the whole market! [09:39] Even proprietary companies like Jolla will take profit out of their work... [09:39] 哎呀 [09:39] 你们总是搞事 [09:39] There is a limited implementation of VPN in the OpenStore [09:39] @Stereofont 大佬 [09:39] 带带我啊 [09:39] 行不行啊 [09:40] @ignorare, Jolla already brings alien dalvik, a compatibility layer [09:40] English only please.. [09:40] 不会英语啊 @vanyasem [09:40] 怎么办？ [09:40] Firefox is not a serious option at the moment. We use a modified Chromium. Future may be WebKit from Qt 5.9? [09:41] do you know chinese? @vanyasem [09:41] @Jorge, Sure, but in future they also have to switch to Anbox, because AlienDalvik is not supported anymore and already out of date... [09:41] @Rekols, Only English is allowed in this chat. No, I don't speak Chinese. Join https://t.me/UBports_Chinese [09:42] Tutti conosciamo il cinese.. verona? [09:42] *vero ? [09:42] il cinese... [09:42] fuck you. [09:42] Also you [09:42] @RoccoOPO also you [09:42] yo [09:42] 老弟 [09:42] A fan to culu [09:42] ?! [09:42] any mods around? [09:43] I'm a Russian. [09:43] @UniversalSuperBox maybe? [09:43] But I love china and chinese. [09:43] We use click packages mainly. Snaps, Appimages and KDE packages all in play for the future but not decided. We have to get 16.04 stable before adding stuff. Also some phones have little space! [09:43] Russian is No.1 [09:43] ha ha ha [09:44] yes? [09:44] Piciu [09:44] @ignorare, It would be great to make a talk or agreement with Jolla to improve the Anbox and so both Sailfish and Ubuntu Touch win, even desktop distributions would also benefit [09:44] Guys, could you please stop spamming this channel? [09:44] Я люблю Китай [09:44] Я люблю Китай, Я люблю Китай! Я люблю Китай !! [09:45] I Love US and China, don [09:45] 😕 [09:45] dont't like russian [09:45] China no esta mal [09:45] @ignorare, +1 [09:46] @Jorge, Yeah! But I am not sure what we can expect from Jolla in future, due to their focus on corporate markets... [09:46] Assad kun la tempo [09:46] @vanyasem, @Flohack [09:46] +1 s. [09:46] wow it is woner [09:47] my english is very very bad. [09:47] @Stereofont Thanks for the tidbit answers :) [09:47] @ignorare, very true, 64 bit support in applications is winning and kitkat does not have it [09:47] Russian is NO.1 ? [09:47] @Mental Ataxia, Welcome. I will leave tethering and cli to others with practical experience of those [09:49] What happens when trying to use .deb packages? Does it simply not work, or is it just highly unstable? [09:52] @Stereofont, iirc florian is travelling somewhere [09:52] @Mental Ataxia, Kris Jace has written on his blog about hacking the system. Expect temporary, unstable and reliant on high end knowledge. Users are free to hack as they like but you are on your own with that stuff [09:52] @Stereofont, could you link me to Kris's blog? [09:52] @Lion [09:53] https://kriscode.blogspot.co.uk [09:53] @ignorare, You have to know how to "sell", because those who have more knowledge about Ubuntu, which is where Anbox works best, are the developers of Ubport, and to support Snap as well. And Jolla has the disadvantage of 64 bit applications. They can provide their services to adapt Anbox and Snap to Sailfish. [09:54] @Mental Ataxia, The default recommendation is: "don't": The OTA updates mechanism doesn't expect "external" changes to the system. So it is theoretically possible for things to break after the next update. (How acceptable that risk is is up to the user.) [09:55] Usual disclaimers apply. Free choice but none of it 'supported' [09:55] @Lion [09:56] @alan_griffiths, Makes sense, as expected. Thank you :) [09:56] How does one install a click file? [09:57] (Sticker, 490x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kbASGve0/file_3794 [09:57] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0AkabGOn/file_3795.webp [10:02] @berchio, You can install it using OpenStore app, whether the click is in the OpenStore or not [10:02] (Sticker, 512x507) https://irc.ubports.com/fQoeZRLo/file_3796.webp [10:07] sap_nocops was added by: sap_nocops [10:10] @Stereofont, Chromium = Google Win [10:19] @Stereofont, Agree. … AFAIK, 16.04 is the minimal Ubuntu to run Snaps [10:19] (Sticker, 453x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0c0sqmtO/file_3797 [10:22] @Jorge, Chromium, not Chrome. Chromium is Open Source [10:25] @Stereofont, but Google is the most influential and in the long term they win [10:26] @Jorge, I'm curious if it really matters though. Even if either party can benefit, is that a problem? Can't both benefit? [10:28] and the world moves by interest [10:28] Maybe Chrom(e | ium) gets more attention. Maybe it gets additional dev support. But it also does the job it needs to do for this without making the kind of data-mongering sacrifices people don't want, isn't that a good thing? [10:28] @Jorge, Of course :) [10:28] @Jorge, Google practically own planet Earth so … but we pick up some of the free scraps they drop from their table [10:29] Lionelb: … Google practically own planet Earth so … but we pick up some of the free scraps they drop from their table [10:32] @Stereofont, I really think that with Firefox it is better and thanks to Quantum especially, it is very promising for the future. It is necessary to demonstrate differentiation, and if they use Chromium the user will perceive the same as always where something different is looked for [10:35] @Jorge, There android browser is still sluggish xs === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:08] @Jorge, Firefox is quite greedy for resources so it doesn't work brilliantly on phones. That is why Ubuntu Touch uses something more lightweight [11:10] @alan_griffiths No, the default answer/recommendation should be to talk about Libertine, which is eminently safe and easy to recommend, before talking about actually making the system writable and directly installing .debs. [11:10] ...which is not those things. [12:15] @Stereofont, Leightweight like helium! Everytime I close the browser, my FP2 becomes so heavy that I drop it to the floor which results in a reboot. ;-) [12:20] @sap_nocops, Hello Lorenzo and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :) [12:21] @Daniel, Sneeze and it reboots 😂 [12:25] @Stereofont, Is that feature ... or a bug?😏 [12:33] Hi, everyone! Does anyone know is there used fairphone 2 to buy on eBay... or somewhere else? [12:34] i'd check on ebay [12:38] @Dejavu_Dmitry, I was lucky enough to find one with a third-party dealer. Fairphone sell reconditioned phones but the price is still quite high [12:38] @Dejavu_Dmitry, There might be even page on fairphone pages with second hand FP2 [12:43] (Sticker, 512x372) https://irc.ubports.com/S0XYZsK1/file_3798 [13:25] k1ttens was added by: k1ttens [13:27] @k1ttens, Hello Kittens. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore! [14:27] (Sticker, 512x502) https://irc.ubports.com/gVI6m041/file_3799.webp [14:33] @Dejavu_Dmitry, Also, I heard that if you know someone who has a FF2, he can get you a discount when ordering. [15:18] AadithyaMD was added by: AadithyaMD [15:21] Seems like changing cpu governor (to conservative) helps save battery when using N5. I had problem that in light usage phone heated a lot and I monitored cpu frequency while using phone, it was mostly full frequency even I played some simpke game. Now it stays cool and doenst hog my battery. Still needs more testing though and playing with different settings.. [15:25] @Jorge, maybe talking with people developing Librem phone could also be helpful, even they are also devoloping a phone running linux so, anbox could be benificial for them as well. [15:27] @AadithyaMD, it is true, they seem more flexible [15:53] @AadithyaMD, Hello Aadithya. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore! [16:33] @samitormanen, how can you do that? [16:37] @Stereofont, thanks [16:39] @AadithyaMD, Anything we can help you with? [17:08] FloriH was added by: FloriH [17:09] hello everyone [17:15] @andreasimonetti, It is not hard. Just couple of terminal commands or premade script.. I make simple guide to forums. [17:17] @andreasimonetti, I'm interested, too. My N5 battery drains pretty well, 24hrs is the max it lasts :-/. [17:17] @samitormanen, thank you a lot! [17:18] @FloriH, welcome flo! [17:19] Can you recommend a device for me? I would Like to Test Ubuntu Touch and hopefully Switch completely [17:20] I saw that the oneplus one is relative cheap. I would prefer the fairphone 2. But its currently only on waiting list [17:25] @FloriH, Hello Flo2. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore! [17:27] @FloriH, OnePlusOne would be a good choice. In a year, you could look again, with probably a much wider range of devices available [17:28] Hmm, is it possible to run Ubuntu Touch on QEMU/KVM? [17:29] Hello Flo, there are lots of cheap Nexus 5 second hand on ebay. I just got one for 70€. It's certainly not high end, but Uuntu Touch runs smoothly. [17:35] @ruedigerkupper @Stereofont thanks a Lot :) [17:36] Would a Nexus 5x also work? [17:37] @Seshan Ravikumar, No. You can run unity8 on 16.04 in kvm though. Some differences from a phone/tablet [17:38] @FloriH, Not sure, but I think not. [17:46] Would a Nexus 5x also work? [17:46] Ok THX :) [17:47] @FloriH, Not yet, though it is a device high up the list of those that will probably be added [17:48] @FloriH, a user called "will O" was working at it but i don't know about the status.. [17:48] I will Check Forums tomorrow, maybe i find anything [17:49] Does the oneplus one support LXC libertine container? [17:54] Guys can somenone tell me why the lasted image 16.04 for a PRO 5 are broke as i try yesterday again to flash the lasted image but i get a black screen when reboot, when i use revision 14 it works....I know there is a lot go on the 16.04 but ... [18:04] Hi! I have problem, maybe you can help me out: … I have an E5 with UBports, but with broken screen (digitizier still working), with developer mode off. There is any way for me to access it (adb, ssh, phablet-shell)? Since developer mode is off apperently I can't, but that means I have to trash the device... [18:05] Lock screen security is set as swipe only [18:06] connect and OTG mouse? [18:06]