[00:19] <mason> Hey all. I'm curious about Macs. I just installed Xenial on a macbook5,1 and it's running hot. It looks like there was a mactel archive in the past, but the docs suggest it's long since been abandoned. I see the packages I most want in base now, but is there a group out there that focuses on this hardware?
[00:26] <p00pface> Hey folks
[00:26] <p00pface> when I type mysql -u root -p, i et error access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
[00:27] <Ben64> you should put in the correct password then?
[00:27] <p00pface> not sure if it's ymptomatic that I entered a fancy root pw for mysql ....
[00:27] <p00pface> thhhenn this means I somehow entered, at some previous moment in time, a fancy root password that I dont remember of
[00:27] <p00pface> please slap me in the face.
[00:28] <Ben64> https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/resetting-permissions.html
[00:29] <p00pface> thanks Ben, I was already there :D
[00:29] <Ben64> :)
[00:30] <p00pface> (there's still hope with this kid and linux..)
[00:31] <Shibe> anybody here got steam running natively on ubuntu without the steam runtime?
[00:32] <Ben64> Shibe: what
[00:53] <luxio> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/ubunchu-01-rtl.pdf
[00:56] <gambl0re> is it safe to transfer files from my ubuntu to windows?
[01:03] <tezogmix> How does the intel microcode update for 16.04 LTS "
[01:03] <tezogmix> USN-3531-1" affect our system if we're running this LTS within vmware as a guest and host windows 7 machine? My laptop mfg is releasing a bios-intel microcode update in a week from now.
[01:04] <tezogmix> If that instance, should we disable that portion of the ubuntu update within the package manager options?
[01:11] <JTech> switching my motherboard took more than an hour. I had to undo and redo the motherboard screws 3 times because of the plate in back to fit different ports. and those screws were not easily accessible. attempt #3 drew blood.
[01:12] <JTech> and now I smell burning. yeah, that northbridge chip heatsync was always a bad deal. uncomfortably hot to touch.
[01:12] <JTech> is encryption dependent on the motherboard? am I free to change motherboards after the OS is installed with encryption?
[01:13] <KipperedSnack> yes
[01:13] <JTech> yes to the former or the latter?
[01:13] <KipperedSnack> ladder, full disk encryption eh?
[01:13] <KipperedSnack> pretty sure its just the HD, unless ur doing it from the bios
[01:14] <KipperedSnack> and i dont even think bios full disk encryption is a thing so
[01:14] <KipperedSnack> ur good.
[01:14] <JTech> does encrypting the boot loader change things?
[01:14] <KipperedSnack> free to change all parts. except HD :P
[01:14] <JTech> ok, thanks.
[01:14] <KipperedSnack> me thinks not.
[01:15] <KipperedSnack> not really sure on that. i know if i use say.. regular full disk encryption via linux..
[01:15] <KipperedSnack> all i neeed is the HD
[01:15] <JTech> I had to disconnect the giant CPU heatsync when I changed motherboards. I have no idea if I did it right. That task is so harrowing. I redid the thermal paste.
[01:15] <KipperedSnack> but with efi etc.. perhaps maybe the motherboard bios chip uses its own method to encrypt a portion of the boot
[01:16] <KipperedSnack> just so long as it fits snug. i always give it a good wiggle before i lock it all down and re-screw
[01:16] <JTech> do I need to redo the thermal paste every time I disconnect the heatsync?
[01:16] <KipperedSnack> meh
[01:17] <KipperedSnack> i wouldn't be messing around with enough to matter..
[01:17] <JTech> I wish I could stick the stock CPU heat sync on the northbridge chipset. that bastard makes an unusual amount of heat that the tiny default heatsync is not sufficient for
[01:17] <KipperedSnack> althou i have never really had a cpu burn out so.
[01:18] <JTech> the amount of work this took... makes me want to give up. I can't leave it as is, because it smells like it's burning. but that took a few hours.
[01:19] <JTech> I guess most of that time was looking for the missing plate for the ports in back. and redoing the screws 3 times. but still.
[01:23] <Cvar1984> hi
[01:23]  * Cvar1984 hi
[01:28] <JTech> I want to murder all the designers who make bad motherboards and bad computer cases.
[01:28] <JTech> all the designers who make bad anything, really. they're a plague on humanity.
[01:29] <JTech> I shouldn't spend an hour getting screws of and on to a motherboard because the "moderately" priced case wasn't designed for easy access.
[01:42] <A_Person_1234567> I can't get LightDM to work
[01:42] <A_Person_1234567> I get stuck in a login loop
[01:43] <A_Person_1234567> I can get LXDE to work
[01:43] <A_Person_1234567> Anyone have anything to try?
[01:59] <JTech> can I use metal to scrap the factory-applied adhesive thermal connector thing on the heatsync off?
[01:59] <JTech> it's on this northbridge chipset heatsync.
[01:59] <JTech> maybe I should ask in a general help.
[01:59] <A_Person_1234567> I wouldn't reccomend scraping it off
[02:00] <JTech> well I was holding the motherboard by the heatsync and it snapped off.
[02:00] <A_Person_1234567> *recommend
[02:00] <JTech> so I need to apply some decent thermal paste to replace it. I mean the whole northbridge chipset heat dissipation thing is garbage on the Gigabyte motherboards.
[02:01] <JTech> it burns really hot on both the motherboards I have. the heatsync is held on by only two pins with really weak springs on them.
[02:01] <JTech> I tried to scrape it off with a plastic credit card but it's not working. I'm not sure there's anything even left there.
[02:01] <A_Person_1234567> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOd1oN1wPSk
[02:02] <A_Person_1234567> that might help you
[02:02] <JTech> I can't see youtube videos on this computer
[02:03] <A_Person_1234567> why's that?
[02:03] <JTech> i dont know
[02:03] <A_Person_1234567> What browser?
[02:04] <JTech> firefox
[02:04] <A_Person_1234567> and Ubuntu I'm assuming?
[02:04] <JTech> hm. it's version 44. and the latest is 57
[02:04] <JTech> Xubuntu
[02:04] <A_Person_1234567> can the video not load or the page
[02:04] <JTech> it freezes the browser
[02:05] <A_Person_1234567> try chromium
[02:05] <A_Person_1234567> I have to go
[02:05] <A_Person_1234567> bye
[02:05] <JTech> bye
[02:06] <JTech> how do I upgrade from Xubuntu 15.04 to 16.04?
[02:06] <JTech> ah. someone else asked that.
[02:06] <sud0x3> JTech: you should be able to do apt upgrade
[02:08] <sud0x3> just dropped in whilst you were asking about removal of thermal paste, can you provide a picture ive not seen paste get to the point where it is a stuggle to remove
[02:08] <JTech> I can't get pictures.
[02:08] <sud0x3> well usually its a sticky mess but should never get to the point it phsically hard to remove
[02:08] <JTech> it's not paste. it's an adhesive strip they applied to the heatsync
[02:09] <sud0x3> so it comletely fused to the chip?
[02:09] <JTech> I dunno if it's adhesive, but it's a huge square much larger than the contact area, and it has very clean edges.
[02:09] <sud0x3> i wouldntuse metal anyway
[02:09] <JTech> it was previously glued to the chip. until I accidentally snapped it off.
[02:09] <sud0x3> you could try heating it? if you have a heat gun or hairdryer handy
[02:10] <krytarik> This is more suited for ##hardware
[02:10] <JTech> ah, thanks.
[02:10] <JTech> that ## means I need to be registered to talk there?
[02:11] <sud0x3> Okay a last pointer would be to check the manufaacturers website for maintenence manual so ou can get an idea of what your looking at
[02:13] <JTech> apt upgrade doesn't actually upgrade Xubuntu.
[02:13] <JTech> sudo do-release-upgrade still not working. no new release found???
[02:14] <JTech> it's still version 15.04
[02:14] <krytarik> ..Didn't you just install it? O_o
[02:15] <JTech> no
[02:15] <reznaeous> When I tried to upgrade an Ubuntu install from about that age I wound up having to download the ISo of the current version to get the system updated. apt just couldn't manage an upgrade of an install that old.
[02:15] <krytarik> !eolupgrade
[02:16] <Kara1982> Hi guys I love sum help with my issue please External is showing an i/o error can open/access all folders in the dir but the one i need (install iso's) any suggestions to carry out checks on disk
[02:16] <Kara1982> let me know what you need outputs from and the commands please
[02:17] <Kara1982> wondering if Fdisk is something to consider (not read into it just a guess)
[02:18] <Kara1982> meant to say fsck
[02:18] <JTech> what an idiot I've been to keep juggling items in the mail in WoW. now that my computer died it's all going to get deleted.
[02:19] <Kara1982> omg
[02:20] <JJLuna> oerheks: you here?
[02:23] <Kara1982> hi all i need help with running fsck for an external hard disk please
[02:25] <mattfly> hello
[02:26] <mattfly> i installed the package vocproc but cant find how to start it
[02:26] <mattfly> whats the executable that comes with it? how to call from terminal
[02:26] <krytarik> mattfly: "dpkg -L vocproc" and have a look.
[02:27] <JJLuna> mattfly: vocproc is not an executable
[02:27] <mattfly> no?
[02:27] <mattfly> i apt installed it
[02:27] <mattfly> how to use it?
[02:27] <krytarik> !info vocproc
[02:28] <JJLuna> mattfly: if you do dpkg -L vocproc, you realize there are no entries in either /bin or /usr/bin
[02:28] <mattfly> i saw
[02:28] <mattfly> is it a pulseaudio plugin or what?
[02:29] <mattfly> i saw this gui
[02:29] <mattfly> http://hyperglitch.com/dev/VocProc
[02:29] <mattfly> thought was a program
[02:29] <mattfly> well damn
[02:29] <JJLuna> mattfly: apparently vocproc is needed for certain effects like autotune
[02:30] <mattfly> i basically want a program to make a distortion program
[02:30] <JJLuna> mattfly: but no, it's not an executable, so you can't "run it"
[02:30] <mattfly> well i dont want to make it
[02:30] <mattfly> i want to have a synth like, distorced voice while talking on skype
[02:30] <mattfly> isnt there anything build up for that?
[02:34] <Kara1982> guys may i please have some help am able to access my external via windows not ubuntu 17.10
[02:35] <Kara1982> clarification i can access multiple folders on the external but not the 1 i really need access to atm
[02:35] <mattfly> a voice changer
[02:35] <Kara1982> how can i check the disk
[02:35] <fishie> how do I get the more advanced start menu in Xubuntu?
[02:36] <Kara1982> for errors that would show i/o error when trying to access via linux
[02:36] <Kara1982> format is ntfs its an external seagate
[02:36] <Kara1982> 3.0 usb tried both 2.0 and 3.0 ports
[02:37] <JJLuna> Kara1982: are you getting any errors?
[02:37] <krytarik> fishie: In what sense?
[02:37] <Kara1982> i am when i try to open one folder the rest of drive is fine
[02:37] <Kara1982> i can open other folders on that drive
[02:38] <Kara1982> on windows no drama
[02:38] <fishie> krytarik, ... hm. I thought there were missing things in the menu but maybe I was mistaken.
[02:38] <JJLuna> Kara1982: what error are you getting?
[02:38] <Kara1982> in 17.10 it just wont open
[02:39] <Kara1982> burning an iso via another os will post error in less than 5mins
[02:39] <Kara1982> srry
[02:39] <Kara1982> cant disconnect it atm to replicate error
[02:39] <Kara1982> its in another pc
[02:41] <Kara1982> wont b a sec
[02:43] <Kara1982> https://pasteboard.co/H2YsymK.png
[02:43] <Kara1982> this is the error i get wen i try to access folder on the HD
[02:45] <Kara1982> its really strange iv not had issues accessing the folder in the past on 16.04(recently upgraded)
[02:45] <JTech> I'm so tired of working. I don't have any method of relaxing because I did everything on the computer.
[02:45] <Kara1982> windows opens the same folder on external
[02:45] <JJLuna> Kara1982: have some patience, people on IRC are typically idle. If someone can help, they'll get back to you
[02:45] <Kara1982> so it cant be too stuffed can it
[02:45] <Kara1982> soz thinking out loud
[02:47] <Kara1982> could be worse mate i just lost my job have a child wife n bills comming out my ears need work asap an threating
[02:48] <JJLuna> Kara1982: Is ntfs-3g installed?
[02:48] <Kara1982> no but can if needed
[02:48] <Kara1982> via terminal pls
[02:48] <JJLuna> Kara1982: sudo apt install ntfs-3g
[02:49] <Kara1982> sorted
[02:49] <JJLuna> KAra1982: you can check if it's already installed using 'dpkg -l ntfs-3g'
[02:50] <JJLuna> Kara1982*
[02:50] <Kara1982> installed and ready to follow instruction
[02:51] <JJLuna> Kara1982: can you paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l'?
[02:51] <Kara1982> just to be on safe side https://thepasteb.in/p/Mjhx3KlNyAPfV
[02:52] <Kara1982> https://thepasteb.in/p/xGhmv6O7R5GSM
[02:52] <JJLuna> Kara1982: just to be safe, consider backuping your data first
[02:52] <Kara1982> already bup'd
[02:53] <JJLuna> Kara1982: /dev/sdc is your external drive, it seems?
[02:54] <Kara1982> yes and its inside ntfs1
[02:55] <Kara1982> i hav two ntfs partitions
[02:55] <JJLuna> Kara1982: /dev/sdc2, and /dev/sdc6?
[02:56] <Kara1982> yes
[02:57] <JJLuna> Kara1982: The folder you're looking for, which one is it in?
[02:57] <Kara1982> not sure command to list names of partitons mounted (name iv given not sda/x/y/ format
[02:58] <JJLuna> Kara1982: can you paste output of 'df -h'?
[02:59] <Kara1982> https://thepasteb.in/p/mwh1lwZpq0kc5
[03:00] <JJLuna> Kara1982: Right, so it's definitely under either /dev/sdc2 or /dev/sdc6. I don't know what each of them are used for
[03:01] <rockycoder> WiFi logo disappared
[03:01] <JJLuna> Kara1982: Do you have any idea where this folder of yours fall under?
[03:01] <Kara1982> checking brb
[03:01] <rockycoder> How to check brb?
[03:02] <Kara1982> most def sdc6
[03:02] <JJLuna> rockycoder: what version are you on? Is networkmanager running?
[03:02] <rockycoder> 16.0
[03:02] <rockycoder> mate
[03:02] <rockycoder> I'm online
[03:03] <rockycoder> Just the icon missed
[03:04] <JJLuna> rockycoder: I'm not on MATE tho, try restarting network-manager (systemctl restart network-manager)
[03:04] <JJLuna> Kara1982: right
[03:05] <JJLuna> Kara1982: try: 'sudo umount /dev/sdc6'
[03:05] <Kara1982> the folder i need access to is definitely  inside partition /dev/sdc6
[03:05] <Kara1982> k soz
[03:06] <JJLuna> Kara1982: and then 'sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs-drive'
[03:06] <Kara1982> k
[03:07] <JJLuna> Kara1982: Next try manually remounting it: 'sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc6 /mnt/ntfs-drive'
[03:08] <hotaronohanako> /topiº
[03:12] <cfhowlett> !ping
[03:12] <RandomUser135> !ping
[03:14] <Kara1982> not mounting
[03:14] <Kara1982> should i restart
[03:14] <JJLuna> Kara1982: what error?
[03:15] <Kara1982> no error but unresponsive can see other partitions on drive but not that ntfs
[03:15] <Kara1982> gui fyi
[03:15] <JJLuna> Kara1982: can you show me your terminal output?
[03:16] <JJLuna> screenshot or something
[03:16] <nicomachus> !info pastebinit
[03:16] <nicomachus> use pastebinit. `sudo apt install pastebinit` and then `<command> | pastebinit`
[03:16] <nicomachus> will output a link to paste.ubuntu.com
[03:17] <Kara1982> https://thepasteb.in/p/0ghJBOKEpOmf5
[03:17] <JJLuna> Kara1982: 'cd /mnt/ntfs-drive && ls -al'
[03:18] <Kara1982> https://thepasteb.in/p/Mjhx3KgEBGotV
[03:19] <JJLuna> Kara1982: It's been successfully mounted, do you know the path to your desired folder?
[03:19] <JJLuna> Kara1982: do you know the name of the folder? Even a part of its name, let me know
[03:21] <Kara1982> https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hPgZE41v3IG
[03:21] <Kara1982> this is the folder the drive is mounted now i unpluged and pluged back in the drive
[03:22] <luoming> where  are you ?
[03:22] <JJLuna> Kara1982: ?
[03:22] <Kara1982> huh pastbin above has location of the folder i need to access
[03:23] <JJLuna> Kara1982: 'cd os_SWare/OS''
[03:23] <Kara1982> full address
[03:23] <Kara1982> cant open the folder still
[03:23] <Kara1982> same error
[03:23] <JJLuna> Kara1982: note that the mountpoint has changed to '/mnt/ntfs-drive'
[03:23] <JJLuna> dump error
[03:24] <Kara1982> im sorry but im still learning and i dont undestand what is meant by that
[03:24] <Kara1982> how to proceed
[03:24] <JJLuna> Kara1982: show me the error you get after 'cd os_SWare/OS'
[03:25] <JJLuna> Kara1982: make sure do you that in /mnt/ntfs-drive
[03:26] <Kara1982> no error able to access via terminal but not via gui
[03:26] <JJLuna> Kara1982: What're you trying to access? A file within the folder?
[03:27] <Kara1982> Nautilus can access it
[03:27] <Kara1982> yes
[03:27] <Kara1982> a iso file
[03:28] <JJLuna> Kara1982: oh? so are we good?
[03:28] <Kara1982> shit cant i mean
[03:28] <JJLuna> Kara1982: First tell me what you're trying to do lol
[03:28] <Kara1982> can i make a dd copy of the iso i want with rel ease
[03:28] <JJLuna> Kara1982: What ISO? You wanna burn it to a stick?
[03:29] <Kara1982> so long as i read up carefully b4 my attempt to minimize accidental delete
[03:29] <JJLuna> Kara1982: do you have access to the iso via terminal? Screw nautilus for now
[03:29] <Kara1982> numerous iso all day
[03:29] <Kara1982> yes i do
[03:29] <Kara1982> hav access
[03:30] <JJLuna> Kara1982: show me the contents within 'os_SWare/OS''
[03:30] <JJLuna> Kara1982: using 'ls -al'
[03:31] <Kara1982> https://thepasteb.in/p/Vmh0yr7qy0Qs4
[03:32] <JJLuna> Kara1982: Sorry I don't really understand you
[03:32] <JJLuna> Kara1982: so you wanna burn an ISO to a medium?
[03:33] <JJLuna> Kara1982: I don't think you can just use dd for a Windows iso, IIRC
[03:33] <Kara1982> can you walk me through how i can move the files from location to another via terminal
[03:33] <Kara1982> o dam
[03:33] <JJLuna> Kara1982: can you be more detailed? Move while file? To where?
[03:33] <Kara1982> so that then i may access via nautlis
[03:33] <Kara1982> hopefully
[03:33] <nicomachus> you'll have to check with #windows for that, but ubuntu has a built in disk utility
[03:34] <JJLuna> Move which file*
[03:34] <Kara1982> https://thepasteb.in/p/8qhOqVlDZNZs0
[03:35] <Kara1982> id like to make a copy of this on my /Desktop
[03:35] <JJLuna> right
[03:35] <Kara1982> then ill try access it thru file manager gui see if that changes anything
[03:35] <JJLuna> Kara1982: make sure you're in '/mnt/ntfs-drive/os_SWare/OS/WINDOWS OS
[03:36] <Kara1982> i am
[03:36] <nicomachus> Kara1982: can I ask what your original goal is here?
[03:36] <JJLuna> Kara1982: then do "sudo cp 'Windows XP Professional SP3 X86 - Black *" /home/$user/Desktop
[03:37] <JJLuna> Kara1982: replace $user with your username
[03:37] <Kara1982> to be able to access the files in this directory via file manager i cant atm it throws i/o error for only this one folder on the drive
[03:37] <JJLuna> Kara1982: you can hit tab for autocomplete while typing out the file name
[03:37] <Kara1982> GUI
[03:38] <Kara1982> when i try to access the folder via the gui
[03:38] <Kara1982> i get the error
[03:39] <nicomachus> Kara1982: have you tried opening nautilus as root?
[03:41] <Kara1982> no
[03:41] <Kara1982> how to
[03:41] <Kara1982> sudo nautlis
[03:42] <Kara1982> or gksudo nautilus
[03:42] <JJLuna> Kara1982: gksu nautilus would be better
[03:42] <allizom> please don't do that. nautilus can open as superuser with the admin:/// scheme
[03:43] <Kara1982> please explain guy
[03:43] <Kara1982> s
[03:43] <Kara1982> dont gk and why
[03:43] <JJLuna> Kara1982: that's outdated, my bad. sudo apt install nautilus-admin
[03:44] <cfhowlett> Kara1982, using sudo anything without clear understanding that you are in God mode will lead to broken systems and broken hearts
[03:44] <oerheks> !sudo
[03:44] <JJLuna> oerheks: Dude, I had to leave urgently yesterday
[03:44] <Kara1982> noted but wanted to know diff between gksu and sudo both god mode yeah
[03:45] <oerheks> JJLuna, no sweat, we will meet him again
[03:45] <Kara1982> lmao
[03:46] <oerheks> kara one is for gui, other for terminal/tty
[03:46] <nicomachus> Kara1982: sudo is for terminal/cli, gksu is for GUI.
[03:47] <JJLuna> oerheks: oerheks: this is for him, if you ever run into him again: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26389568/
[03:47] <oerheks> JJLuna, thnx, bookmarked
[03:47] <Kara1982> problems problems
[03:48] <Kara1982> https://thepasteb.in/p/j2hlmL2EpvYCP
[03:48] <JJLuna> Kara1982: What is it?
[03:49] <Kara1982> how should i ammend the command for 3.0 please
[03:49] <JJLuna> Kara1982: We could have done it without nautilus...
[03:50] <Kara1982> i do want to be able to access things via naut long term so i would really like it fixed but i am copying the iso as you instructed me to via terminal
[03:51] <Kara1982> and thank you for that
[03:51] <JJLuna> Kara1982: yeah, let me know how it goes, we can figure nautilus out later
[03:54] <donofrio> yah me https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL42xP3-yS7Vn_kIag got the Displaylink usb to dvi working on my imac ;)  now I just need to know how to drive more of these with my hardware http://paste.ubuntu.com/26389554/ https://apaste.info/Oyjc ;)
[03:54] <Kara1982> lolz will do. The iso is 3GB average anyway to pipe out progess percentage or bar etc in future runs
[03:54] <donofrio> so far the pid takes upwards of 125%
[03:54] <donofrio> sys cpu at 51%
[03:55] <donofrio> would like to light up the last left two monitors in the back
[03:55] <donofrio> (lost my windows10 notebook that was driving the show) now it's all on the ubuntu awesomeness (imac hardware)
[03:56] <JJLuna> Kara1982: I don't think cp has a progress feature, but you can use 'pv'(install it) for that if you want to
[03:56] <JJLuna> Kara1982: but if you did that then the permissions will be lost IIRC
[03:57] <Kara1982> legend :)
[03:57] <oerheks> hi donofrio , how did you do that, with a static xorg.conf ??
[03:58] <JJLuna> Kara1982: did you manage to pull it off?
[04:00] <Kara1982> lol it copying now bt i hv no idea how long till finished
[04:01] <Kara1982> check this out https://thepasteb.in/p/GZhW4xVJ8yxcV
[04:01] <JJLuna> Kara1982: you can get a rough idea checking the disk usage of your Desktop folder
[04:02] <JJLuna> Kara1982: 'du -h /home/$USER/Desktop'
[04:02] <oerheks> just be patient
[04:02] <donofrio> oerheks, took some work, two Displaylinke Plugable UGA-3000 along with the special external cable for imac to vga so yah got it all arranged using xfce4 display applet, had to set one to disabled so I could move them around in the gui then apply a few time enable the display and poof all fout online and usable (well taking guessing 50% cpu his as far as each usb display
[04:05] <Kara1982> f<*! me!!
[04:05] <JJLuna> Kara1982: It's obviously your freedom, but I'll be weary of anything with 'black edition' in its name
[04:06] <Kara1982> can u please tell me which is my username i have written command wrong
[04:06] <Kara1982> i dont know which part is my username which is the computer
[04:06] <JJLuna> Kara1982: which command?
[04:07] <JJLuna> Kara1982: you can just leave $USER as it is, it's an environmental variable
[04:07] <Kara1982> noj@nojimon:~$
[04:07] <Kara1982> wicked which is my user which is my computer (correct me if im off i wanna learn)
[04:08] <Kara1982> will try as well
[04:08] <JJLuna> Kara1982: which corresponds to your username
[04:08] <JJLuna> Kara1982: you can see for yourself using 'echo $USER'
[04:08] <donofrio> oerheks, it looks like this https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL43j6StO1aypmDONQ
[04:09] <Kara1982> nice
[04:09] <Kara1982> u rock
[04:11] <donofrio> just was klinkie cause for a day or so I couldn't rearrage the order, only when I disabled one of them in the display xfce4 control then I could move them around and finnaly enable the last one
[04:11] <donofrio> and still taking theis pid high cpu usage in top like 125
[04:11] <donofrio> 126% sometimes
[04:11] <donofrio> need to get two more work then I'm all set in my "home office"
[04:12] <JJLuna> Kara1982: let me know once you're done copying...will take a while prob
[04:16] <payreds> hello
[04:17] <payreds> can some one help me
[04:17] <cfhowlett> !ask | payreds welcome.  your question is ... ?
[04:22] <donofrio> anyone know how I can spawn a seprate process (say remmina) when it seems like each time I try it just pulls up the running one already (would like two runing) (one for each closer displays)
[04:22] <jon_> hi. has anyone had success with installing simplified chinese language support and input  in 17.10?
[04:23] <Kara1982> omg dam dam dam i cant do it
[04:23] <JJLuna> Kara1982: do what
[04:23] <donofrio> anyone know how I would be able to drive four of these if my top (with only two usb to dvi) has 126% for the Displaylink driver(s)?
[04:23] <Kara1982> cant access the folder
[04:23] <Kara1982> terminal
[04:24] <JJLuna> Kara1982: which folder?
[04:24] <JJLuna> Kara1982: Wasn't everything fine before?
[04:24] <Kara1982> tryed command with user but closed the window not cant get back in
[04:24] <Kara1982> closed terminal i cant get back
[04:24] <Kara1982> im sry
[04:25] <JJLuna> Kara1982: it's fine, we're going to do this again
[04:25] <JJLuna> Kara1982: pm me
[04:25] <Kara1982> thank u
[04:25] <Kara1982> lol how
[04:37] <hotbobby> hi im having an issue with dpkg having an unrecoverable fatal error
[04:37] <hotbobby> https://pastebin.com/raw/KDApTzNi
[04:37] <hotbobby> apt update works just fine, but i cannot install packages due to some kind of error with the debconf one
[04:39] <JJLuna> oerheks: he quit too just as I found the solution..the curse is real
[04:39] <nicomachus> hotbobby: `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[04:39] <fishie> channels with ## require me to register, right?
[04:40] <JJLuna> fishie: not necessarily, depends on channel mode
[04:40] <hotbobby> nicomachus: i did that, it did not resolve the error
[04:40] <fishie> can't type in ##hardware
[04:40] <nicomachus> !register > fishie
[04:40] <nicomachus> hotbobby: what was the output from it?
[04:40] <nogh_n95> Ping
[04:41] <hotbobby> nicomachus: running the command gives 0 lines of output
[04:44] <nicomachus> hotbobby: try `sudo dpkg --clear-avail` and then `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[04:46] <JTech> I don't want to work on this any more. I'm so overworked. T_T
[04:47] <hotbobby> nicomachus: unfortunately this did not resolve the issue :( https://pastebin.com/raw/12CrEKDN
[04:48] <hotbobby> what im so worried about is its the -debconf- package returning the error
[04:48] <JTech> if I had just installed without encryption I could have been back to normal. but I pushed my luck.
[04:48] <JTech> and now both my motherboards have their northbridge heatsyncs detached. the old that should be able to boot USB devices the heatsync runs real hot after only a few minutes and smells like it's burning.
[04:49] <nicomachus> hotbobby: have you tried `apt install -f`?
[04:50] <hotbobby> 'sudo apt install -f fail2ban' leads to the same error
[04:50] <hotbobby> could you explain what is going on? apt package manager doesnt like my dpkg status file?
[04:51] <Sweepyoface> Posting this here as well. I need to use aufs with docker so I need to install linux-image-extra but there isn't a version of that for my kernel (4.13.0-041300rc6-generic)
[04:51] <Sweepyoface> would linux-image-extra-4.13.0-26-generic suffice?
[04:51] <Sweepyoface> Thanks
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> Sweepyoface: wich ubuntu version?
[04:53] <nicomachus> hotbobby: dpkg is getting hung up for some reason. either the original install was aborted or it's some sort of random error. a reboot would probably fix it easy if you have the time, otherwise it's about inching it back a few steps at a time to clear out the error and then reinstall the fail2ban package
[04:53] <Sweepyoface> lotuspsychje: 16.04.3
[04:53] <oerheks> mainline kernel ?
[04:53] <hotbobby> nicomachus: thank you for the explanation, first i will attempt a restart before bothering you further :)
[04:54] <Sweepyoface> I think so? How would I check that?
[04:54] <nicomachus> hotbobby: usually dpkg --configure -a takes care of it, but sometimes you have to clear out /var/lib/dpkg/available
[04:54] <nicomachus> then recreate it.
[04:55] <william> Hi
[04:55] <hotbobby> nicomachus: all those apt updates recreate the available file though
[04:56] <nicomachus> hotbobby: yes.
[04:56] <william> I have gnu grub installed but now i need to reinstall windows
[04:56] <Sweepyoface> Anyone know which one I should install?
[04:56] <oerheks> Sweepyoface, why not using the supported HWE kernel, instead of the mainline testing?
[04:56] <oerheks> !hwe
[04:57] <hotbobby> nicomachus: unfortunately, restarting did not work
[04:57] <Sweepyoface> I don't know enough to begin to answer that question
[04:57] <Sweepyoface> I'm not sure which I'm using
[04:58] <Sweepyoface> If I install this, would I break any functionality I currently have?
[04:58] <nicomachus> hotbobby: ok, let's try to manually clear /available
[04:59] <nicomachus> hotbobby: `sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/available `
[04:59] <oerheks> Sweepyoface, who installed that kernel, you?
[04:59] <nicomachus> hotbobby: `sudo touch /var/lib/dpkg/available  `
[04:59] <nicomachus> hotbobby: `sudo sh -c 'for i in /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages; do dpkg --merge-avail "$i"; done' `
[04:59] <Sweepyoface> oerheks: I think so. I had to replace the server provider's kernel for certain functionality, but I don't remember how I did it
[05:00] <oerheks> Sweepyoface, i think you followed the !mainline factoid
[05:00] <Sweepyoface> and it's just been upgrading with apt since
[05:00] <oerheks> !mainline
[05:00] <oerheks> now use the !hwe factoid to get the latest, and you are fine
[05:00] <Sweepyoface> Ah ok, so I shouldn't have any problems with the hwe?
[05:00] <Sweepyoface> (docker virtualization should work fine)?
[05:01] <oerheks> maybe ..
[05:01] <hotbobby> nicomachus: information about the packages was updated successfully
[05:01] <hotbobby> but i cannot install any new packages
[05:02] <hotbobby> is it dangerous to blindly restore /var/backups versions of /var/lib/dpkg/status?
[05:03] <nicomachus> I'm not sure.
[05:06] <hotbobby> oh wow you do not want to delete the debconf package description from the status file
[05:07] <hotbobby> what a terrible error. this server had no problems for years, and a failed package install can destroy the entire package database? gross
[05:16] <Kara1> hello all i need help accessing a folder on external hard disk (17.10) {PS3 NTFS located at /media/noj
[05:17] <Kara1> i can access other drives but not the one i need to
[05:18] <skwingar> Hey all, I asked #bash already and they sent me here for next try. I use bash on ubuntu on windows (win10, x64) and can not CTRL-V paste into terminal. Have dealt with it since it arrived on system, now at point of desperation because its one of those simple things that over time take up way too much time.
[05:18] <nicomachus> skwingar: try CTRL+SHIFT+V
[05:18] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/yVtU5
[05:18] <nicomachus> skwingar: that's default for a lot of terminals, because it shouldn't be easy to copy+paste commands.
[05:19] <nicomachus> Kara1: `cd PS3\ NTFS`
[05:20] <nicomachus> Kara1: you have to escape the space character, otherwise the shell reads it as a separate argument
[05:21] <skwingar> man, I was so excited it could possibly be that simple @micomachus. CTRL-SHIFT-V did not work for me, however. I will try and keep researching though. Not such an important thing to be bothering the room with though. Thanks man!
[05:22] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/F6BC4
[05:22] <Kara1> what am i doing wrong
[05:23] <hotbobby> Kara1:
[05:23] <nicomachus> Kara1: wrong slash
[05:23] <hotbobby> type PS3*tab*
[05:23] <nicomachus> \ not /
[05:23] <nicomachus> but yes, as hotbobby says, you can use the TAB key to auto-complete paths and commands
[05:25] <oerheks> !ubuwin | skwingar they might have the answer
[05:25] <Kara1> i love you
[05:25] <hotbobby> also note you can press tab many times to see all the possibilities
[05:25] <nicomachus> also true.
[05:25] <Kara1> why do i use the \ instead of the / ? the tab button wont autocomplete why
[05:26] <nicomachus> Kara1: \ is the escape character in the bash shell.
[05:26] <Kara1> okay
[05:26] <nicomachus> most shells, really.
[05:26] <nicomachus> whereas / usually denotes a location or directory
[05:26] <Kara1> any other instances where i may need to apply same rule another random eg so i can learn
[05:27] <nicomachus> the escape character is very helpful to know.
[05:27] <nicomachus> !bash | Kara1 see here for more tips and tricks.
[05:28] <fg5> hello is it possible to prevent samba from displaying disk free space to windows/all clients?
[05:30] <Kara1> omg cant access any files inside the drive I/O error
[05:30] <hotbobby> is it mounted
[05:31] <Kara1> yes
[05:31] <Kara1> i am in the folder b4 the folder i want to copy
[05:31] <Kara1> gt an io error
[05:32] <hotbobby> move the folder one more time, then look at the last lines of your /var/log/messages
[05:32] <hotbobby> it shoudl say exactly how itw as failing, if its a read error or something. you can try fsck but the drive is dying
[05:35] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/F6BC4
[05:35] <Kara1> im in termina
[05:35] <Kara1> l
[05:35] <hotbobby> Kara1:
[05:35] <hotbobby> sudo ls the folder
[05:35] <hotbobby> see if you get an error
[05:36] <hotbobby> if you dont get an error "sudo chown -r *urusername*:*urusername* *folder*"
[05:36] <hotbobby> no harm in making sure youre the owner of a folder and all files i think if its just roms
[05:37] <mopdprobe> dd should go first then fsck
[05:37] <Kara1> think i did something wrong will show img
[05:38] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/Bcxj8
[05:39] <hotbobby> strange
[05:40] <hotbobby> what is the output of "file /media/noj/..../.../OS"
[05:40] <hotbobby> it should say its a directory
[05:40] <hotbobby> OH
[05:40] <hotbobby> lol
[05:40] <mopdprobe> hotbobby: try hitting tab more when typing addresses
[05:40] <hotbobby> yes he has the space in there
[05:40] <mopdprobe> hotbobby: it will autocomplete including slashes
[05:41] <hotbobby> put a \ after PS3
[05:41] <nicomachus> Kara1: you used a space again. anytime you need a space you need to use `\ `
[05:42] <nicomachus> Kara1: let's do this: `sudo mv /media/noj/PS3\ NTFS /media/noj/PS3NTFS`
[05:42] <Kara1> im in the folder which is good now i need to make a copy on my desktop
[05:43] <hotbobby> cp -r * ~/Desktop
[05:43] <hotbobby> erm
[05:43] <hotbobby> cp -r * ~/Desktop/NewFolder
[05:45] <Kara1> im in the folder which is good now i need to make a copy on my desktop
[05:46] <Kara1> cant get ls thing going write replaced space with \ not sure of my error
[05:46] <Netwin> Is zorin os (ubuntu based distro) questions welcomed in this channel?
[05:46] <cfhowlett> Netwin, nope
[05:46] <Netwin> thought both works on same baseline
[05:47] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/UJT2j
[05:47] <hotbobby> Kara1: "cp -r * ~/Desktop/DestinationFolder" from where you are, you invoke cp (copy command) with the recursive -r (all files and folders recursivly)
[05:47] <cfhowlett> sorry, Netwin but this channel is for OFFICIAL ubuntu OS's, not derivatives.
[05:47] <nicomachus> !flavors | Netwin
[05:47] <cfhowlett> dang, nicomachus!  Your fingers fly faster than mine ...
[05:48] <nicomachus> I credit my low ping
[05:48] <Kara1> lols
[05:48] <cfhowlett> still faster than I could crank it out ...
[05:48] <Kara1> can you show me where i went wrong in my syntax for ls
[05:49] <hotbobby> if you have a SPACE in a folder name
[05:49] <hotbobby> you must preceed the SPACE with a \
[05:49] <nicomachus> Kara1: please rename the directory and make everyone's life easier
[05:49] <nicomachus> Kara1: let's do this: `sudo mv /media/noj/PS3\ NTFS /media/noj/PS3NTFS`
[05:49] <Kara1> dude soz i will now
[05:49] <hotbobby> why dont you just copy with nautilus anyway
[05:50] <nicomachus> hotbobby: they were having trouble getting nautilus to open with root.
[05:50] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[05:50] <Kara1> it says resource is busy all windows are closed
[05:50] <Netwin> while selecting zorin channel it was deserted and there was at max 4 users.where do i go for help??
[05:51] <Anatzum> I am installing ubuntu on a family members laptop for them, It has a hdd + a ssd which does not seem to be bootable and was used for caching purposes. I wanted to use the 24GB sdd for something and was wondering I the bootloader had to be installed on the same drive as the one with the / partition. I was thinking of having the / on the sdd and a /home on the hdd but when I did this and the bootloder was on the ssd with the / it
[05:51] <Anatzum> did not work.
[05:51] <hotbobby> are you copying from it currently Kara1
[05:51] <oerheks> Netwin, try #zorinos
[05:51] <hotbobby> Anatzum: no it does not
[05:51] <nicomachus> Netwin: stackexchange, reddit, perhaps another irc server. that's the risk of using an obscure distro. check documentation and manuals
[05:51] <cfhowlett> Netwin, can't help you.  Ubuntu has zero to do with Zorin support.  and the fact that they don't provide needed support for their own OS is ... disturbing.  Consider your options.
[05:51] <hotbobby> Anatzum: in the most recent ubuntu installers, you can change partition method to "Manual", it will allow you to specifi the EFI partition yourself
[05:52] <hotbobby> Anatzum: however, the bootloader -will- always be on the / because its a symlink to /boot/efi
[05:52] <Kara1> not that im aware of i tried earlier via terminal but closed all those terminal window prior to completion
[05:52] <hotbobby> you can see it with "mount"
[05:52] <Kara1> nothing is open so i assume all is terminated
[05:53] <alkisg> Anatzum: you can put the boot loader wherever you like; usually that would be the drive that the bios/uefi boots from. Are you on a live cd on that system now?
[05:53] <Kara1> im in the dir im trying to move i need to cd .. out of it aye lols?
[05:53] <Kara1> i am a tard
[05:54] <Anatzum> hotbobby: I tried doing the EFI installation and it kept giving me a force UEFI installation error and would not install. I'm just doing mbr/bios on it now
[05:54] <Kara1> no dice eitherway
[05:54] <hotbobby> Kara1: you dont need to leave a directory you're copying
[05:54] <Kara1> says resource busy
[05:55] <Kara1> wtf
[05:55] <hotbobby> being inside the directory isnt causing that error
[05:55] <Anatzum> alkisg: yeah i'm on the live cd right now
[05:55] <alkisg> Anatzum: ok, do you want to fix the existing installation, or are you currently e.g. reinstalling in mbr mode?
[05:56] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/EWIZn
[05:56] <hotbobby> Kara1: what happens when you close all windows and then open a terminal and type "sudo nautilus"
[05:57] <hotbobby> its because youre putting random \'s in there
[05:57] <Kara1> do u want me to close the browser as well or just all file explorers
[05:57] <hotbobby> only file explorer
[05:58] <Anatzum> alkisg: it would not install at all in uefi so i'm just doing mbr which did install but would not boot when i had the bootloader on the ssd which is only 25GB and I looked at the laptop specs and it seems it was only meant for caching so i'm gonna try with the bootloader on the hdd with /home and have the ssd with the /
[06:00] <alkisg> Anatzum: you can reinstall the bootloader with a couple of commands from the live cd, without reinstalling the whole os
[06:01] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/eCzLg
[06:01] <Kara1> sadly this
[06:02] <Kara1> pls fix it for me
[06:02] <Kara1> cant accesss folder i need to also
[06:03] <oerheks> Kara1, nautilus does not work in Wayland, logou, and choose xorg
[06:03] <oerheks> known issue, we are working on it
[06:04] <Kara1> i dont understand what i need to do sorry
[06:04] <Kara1> i dont know how to choose xorg
[06:04] <oerheks> logout, choose session > xorg, login again
[06:04] <hotbobby> logout
[06:04] <hotbobby> click the GEAR next to yourt name
[06:04] <hotbobby> that is how you choose session
[06:05] <hanasaki> what can be used to mount remote filesystems and does encryption?
[06:05] <hotbobby> wayland is trash sorry you are having so many problems Kara1 , you unknowingly picked the latest ubuntu
[06:05] <hotbobby> hanasaki: sshfs
[06:05] <Kara1> okay
[06:05] <Anatzum> alkisg: That would work if the os was installed but it would freeze in uefi so nothing was actually done. Right now i'm doing / on the ssd and /home on the hdd with the bootloader on the hdd if that doesnt work I might just pretend the ssd doesnt exist since it's not for me and the webbrowser is the only thing they are gonna use anyways :p
[06:06] <Kara1> so which is a better version to be on for the time being
[06:06] <hanasaki> hotbobby:  can sshfs be used by mac/win/lin clients?
[06:06] <hanasaki> with autofs?
[06:06] <hanasaki> doesn't samba or nfs encrypt?
[06:06] <hotbobby> remote client with samba?!?
[06:06] <hotbobby> insanity...
[06:07] <hotbobby> Kara1: the one youre on now, just login with xorg
[06:07] <hanasaki> explain please
[06:07] <hotbobby> smb is designed for lan
[06:08] <hanasaki> what about DAV?
[06:08] <cfhowlett> DAV???
[06:08] <hotbobby> how does using webdav make more sense :(
[06:08] <hanasaki> goes through http/https proxies
[06:09] <Kara1> call me stupid but i cant logout or see little gear i can only see in the top left power speaker and nework
[06:09] <hotbobby> type uhh
[06:09] <hotbobby> gnome-session-quit in a terminal
[06:09] <nicomachus> og
[06:09] <nicomachus> omg
[06:10] <hanasaki> does SMB have encryption?
[06:10] <hotbobby> i think you can tell it to
[06:11] <hotbobby> sshfs + fuse would work just fine for mac+linux
[06:11] <hotbobby> with windows you need a special client but i mean it also works
[06:12] <hotbobby> even better you can just use sshfs with the windows 10 linux subsystem ;)
[06:13] <hanasaki> what causes ubuntu/debian to fail to boot on apollo lake?  and isorespin fixes?
[06:14] <hotbobby> Kara1: did you find the gear near your name and change it to xorg
[06:14] <Kara1> lol yes
[06:14] <hotbobby> should be able to sudo nautilus now
[06:14] <nicomachus> no
[06:14] <Kara1> i tried to open and i got this error
[06:14] <nicomachus> gksu nautilus
[06:14] <Kara1> will do
[06:15] <Kara1> done the gksu nautilus
[06:15] <Anatzum> hanasaki: I'm pretty sure encryption was added in samba 3 and is disabled by default though if you are using wifi then that is also a layer of encryption but lan ethernet would not have any
[06:16] <Kara1> it has opened file explorer and i am currently unable to access my folder from there
[06:16] <hanasaki> Anatzum:  thanks
[06:16] <hotbobby> Kara1: what does it say when you navigate to your folder in the root user nautilus
[06:17] <Kara1> will post
[06:17] <hanasaki> hmmm apollo lake process on my usb cpu stick.... grub hangs on boot.
[06:18] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/64SeY
[06:19] <hotbobby> i dont know why ubuntu really hates that linux64 file
[06:19] <hotbobby> but it does...
[06:20] <Kara1> how can i check the filesystem for errors (possible fix or not worth it)
[06:20] <hotbobby> fsck but its not the problem here
[06:20] <Kara1> eg fsk i think not sure if thats a poss use case recover bad sectors
[06:21] <Kara1> o
[06:21] <Kara1> how can we b sure of that ? just inquisitive nothing else intended
[06:21] <hotbobby> the fact that you could view it from the terminal before
[06:23] <Kara1> iv not tryed to copy a file from within the folder to desktop yet cuz they r huge should we giv it a go n see if i actually have access or is seeing the files and folders ls enuf to b sure
[06:23] <hotbobby> that linux64 file has bad permissions and is making your nautilus return an error i believe
[06:24] <Kara1> so what chmod something something
[06:24] <hotbobby> can try sudo chown -R yourusername:yourusername /location/to/folder/
[06:24] <hanasaki> what's a good way to make a http and httpS proxy that can scan pages for porn, remove adverts, scan for virus and require id/pass?
[06:24] <Kara1> i have no issue changing the permissions
[06:25] <Kara1> they r iso for install i have slow connection
[06:25] <Kara1> i have a BUP
[06:25] <Kara1> lets if u think is gonna fix it
[06:26] <hotbobby> hanasaki: are you running a wifi accesspoint and want to do all that?
[06:26] <Kara1> missed the post above will try
[06:27] <hanasaki> hotbobby:  for now .. this is for the LAN : I do want to doa captive portal for both wifi and for wired on the lan
[06:27] <Kara1> can you give me the syntax i know i will mess it up
[06:29] <hotbobby> Kara1: sudo chown -R noj:noj /media/noj/PS3*press tab*/os_SWare/OS/linux64
[06:29] <hotbobby> just chanign the file its complaining about to be owned by you. maybe it will fix it
[06:29] <hanasaki> hotbobby:  thoughts?
[06:30] <hotbobby> there are software suites to do this for you but they are centered around managing wifi hotspots
[06:30] <Kara1> does it matter where i am when i run that command
[06:30] <hotbobby> to do it yourself would be a serious undetaking
[06:30] <hotbobby> Kara1: no
[06:34] <Kara1> https://imgur.com/a/dYiD2
[06:34] <Kara1> just dont get whats up
[06:34] <Kara1> i copy n paste ur command didnt wk for me
[06:36] <hotbobby> if you want to use linux you need to be able to read the error messages carefully
[06:36] <hotbobby> you didnt press tab to autocomplete the folder name before typing the rest of the command
[06:36] <hotbobby> press up, erase up to PS3, press tab, then continue
[06:39] <Kara1> i sent the wrong image sorry. i have done as you mentioned that i think and to no avail https://imgur.com/a/elq5C
[06:40] <Kara1> *delete 'that'
[06:40] <hotbobby> i dont know why it doesnt like that file
[06:41] <hotbobby> but that's your problem
[06:41] <hotbobby> try copy and pasting this:
[06:41] <hotbobby> file /media/noj/PS3\ NTFS/os_SWare/OS/linux64
[06:44] <alkisg> Kara1: I'm not watching the conversiation, but input/output error usually means bad sectors or broken usb stick etc
[06:44] <hanasaki> hotbobby:  what suites?  I am not oppposed to using something existin
[06:45] <alkisg> Kara1: if you're trying to recover files from an bad ntfs disk, DONT use linux for that, use a windows-based utility, because ntfs is closed source
[06:46] <Kara1> brb
[06:46] <Kara1> gnna try something real quick
[06:46] <hotbobby> hanasaki: sputnik , chilispot
[06:49] <ergodicwalk> Anyone around? My laptop is fucked :(
[06:49] <nicomachus> ergodicwalk: not with that kind of language
[06:49] <oerheks> erdplease keep the language in this channel family friendly
[06:49] <cfhowlett> ergodicwalk, no profanity please
[06:49] <ergodicwalk> Sorry.
[06:50] <hanasaki> hotbobby:  chilispot is a captive portal.  l;.... for now the main thing is to be able to content scan through squid on http and httpS
[06:50] <hotbobby> the best way to see whos active in the ubuntu channel is to swear :P
[06:50] <ergodicwalk> My laptop launches to the purple screen and then gets stuck on the black screen with a flickering white line
[06:50] <hotbobby> so all youre concerned about is filtering?
[06:50] <hotbobby> opendns can block that stuff, it can keep a log too
[06:51] <ergodicwalk> From tty1 I can launch startx but my graphics get messed up. Also it says it’s running in low graphics mode with some issue in graphics config. The Xorg log says “number of creates screens does not match number of detected devices” :/
[06:51] <plab_> ghei
[06:51] <plab_> heiio
[06:51] <plab_> aNYONE??
[06:52] <cfhowlett> plab_, ask your support question
[06:52] <plab_> HOW are u mister?
[06:52] <ergodicwalk> Anyone have any ideas?
[06:52] <cfhowlett> plab_, ubuntu support.  chitchat over in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:52] <plab_> any new ubuntu release?
[06:53] <ergodicwalk> I have already tried reinstalling Ubuntu desktop and reinstalling unity from tty1
[06:53] <cfhowlett> !17.10 | plab_
[06:53] <ergodicwalk> :(
[06:53] <hotbobby> ergodicwalk: youve completely reinstalled  and the display issue remains?
[06:53] <oerheks> ergodicwalk, did it ever boot properly?
[06:53] <ergodicwalk> What do you mean  by completely reinstall?
[06:53] <hanasaki> hotbobby:  opendns is good on a doman/dns basis... objective here is to the content scanning IN my firewall
[06:53] <hotbobby> so
[06:53] <hotbobby> you want dpi
[06:54] <oerheks> if not, see the !nomodeset factoid
[06:54] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[06:54] <hotbobby> sorry i am slowly deducing exactly what you want...
[06:54] <ergodicwalk> I issued the command sudo apt-get install -reinstall Ubuntu-desktop
[06:55] <ergodicwalk> oerhks: yes it used to boot but after uninstalling kde plasma and kubuntu desktop it stopped working so I must have deleted some graphics thing
[06:56] <oerheks> oh, good to mention that, you should have right away
[06:56] <hanasaki> nomodeset only works IF the boot takes place... some systems won't get past grub... like apollo based that do not have CSM in the uefi options
[06:56] <oerheks> any more things you didn' t mention??
[06:56] <ergodicwalk> oerkhs no that’s it. Sorry
[06:56] <plab_> hey anyone?
[06:56] <ergodicwalk> My apologies
[06:57] <ergodicwalk> oerheks any suggestions?
[06:57] <oerheks> ergodicwalk, nor worries, what hardware is this exactly? especially videocard
[06:57] <cfhowlett> plab no telepaths area on duty.  if you do not ask for support and post the details, no support will be offered.
[06:57] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: try this: sudo apt purge ubuntu-desktop; sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop. This will pull the recommended packages again.
[06:57] <alkisg> It's not the same as --reinstall
[06:58] <ergodicwalk> Alkisg I’ll try this from tty and and update you and oerkhs
[06:58] <cfhowlett> alkisg, isn't is apt get && apt install?  or does apt install suffice
[06:59] <Kara1> yo
[06:59] <Kara1> im bak
[06:59] <nicomachus> oh yay
[06:59] <alkisg> cfhowlett: I suspect this: he installed ubuntu-desktop, THEN removed kde-plasma maybe even with --auto-remove, which maybe removed some ubuntu recommended packages, which would then NOT be reinstalled with the --reinstall ubuntu-desktop, but they would get reinstalled with a purge/install
[07:00] <Kara1> got it working in the end had to run a checkdisk from inside that shitty os now accessable from linux
[07:00] <Kara1> thanks for all ur help
[07:00] <ergodicwalk> Alkisg no luck :/
[07:00] <hotbobby> good to hear Kara1
[07:00] <oerheks> Kara1, have fun!
[07:00] <devnull> https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.fr/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html
[07:00] <ergodicwalk> Still giving the system is running in low graphics mode warning and
[07:00] <Kara1> and patients u taught me a lot thank you
[07:00] <fishcooker> i have command certbot that i believe install it via apt install how to determine certbot is part of the xxx package
[07:00] <fishcooker> ?
[07:00] <cfhowlett> alkisg, understood.  my query was whether apt install would download the packages again, or (as I suspect) it would merely install the local saved packages in the /cache
[07:00] <Kara1> writting it all down now so i dont forget
[07:00] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: meaning that you successfully completed the steps, but you again get a black screen? Or that it errored while doing those steps?
[07:01] <alkisg> cfhowlett: ah, that part doesn't matter, .debs are checksummed before install anyway
[07:01] <oerheks> dpkg -S certbot
[07:01] <Kara1> patience
[07:01] <ergodicwalk> The first one I made it through the steps and then it gave me the black screen again
[07:01] <Kara1> lol
[07:01] <Kara1> alot
[07:01] <fishcooker> checking oerheks
[07:01] <cfhowlett> understood, alkisg
[07:01] <Kara1> id never last in programming
[07:01] <ergodicwalk> ::
[07:02] <Kara1> kaboom lolz
[07:02] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: so, you're not seeing a display manager (login page) at all, correct? Also, do you have autologin enabled?
[07:03] <ergodicwalk> Alkisg right. I get past the purple Ubuntu disk encryption and then I get the low graphics mode warning. I try to run in default graphical mode which fails and then it exits to console login
[07:03] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: what's the output of this? cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[07:03] <ergodicwalk> I don’t think I have auto login enabled for example on the console login I have to specify my username and password
[07:03] <oerheks> laspci | grep -i VGA
[07:03] <alkisg> Console autologin isn't related to xorg autologin
[07:04] <oerheks> ergodicwalk, run this, and paste thae output line > lspci | grep -i VGA
[07:04] <ergodicwalk> alkisg it is lighten
[07:04] <ergodicwalk> Lightdm
[07:04] <Kara1> I have one more question the only reason i have ntfs is so i can use it to store large files i use with my ps3 are there any alternatives re drive format size being an issue (must be able to handle larger than 4GB&readable to PS3 on CFW)
[07:04] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: and which ubuntu version is this, e.g. 17.10?
[07:05] <ergodicwalk> 16.04
[07:05] <ergodicwalk> Oerkhs intel 5916
[07:05] <Kara1> PS3 is linux right
[07:05] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: grep -r auto /etc/lightdm ==> does that say anything?
[07:05] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: grep -ri auto /etc/lightdm ==> does that say anything?
[07:05] <alkisg> (forgot the i)
[07:05] <Kara1> at least it has linux file tree structure
[07:06] <Kara1> to my eyes
[07:06] <ergodicwalk> No
[07:06] <cfhowlett> Kara1, wait, what?  sonly spent MILLIONS to kill linux on ps3.  google it
[07:06] <Kara1> ok
[07:07] <Kara1> but i thought that they ran their thing via some version of linux gna google now
[07:07] <ergodicwalk> Nothing shows up :/
[07:07] <ergodicwalk> But there is lightdm in etc (checked with ls)
[07:07] <hateball> Kara1: Playstation 3 and 4 runs a customized FreeBSD iirc
[07:07] <cfhowlett> Kara1, yellow dog linux with a hole lot of work is possible, apparently  https://www.lifewire.com/playstation-3-ps3-into-a-linux-server-2717707
[07:07] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: lightdm logs are at /var/log/lightdm, you can try to pastebin one of them if you want
[07:07] <alkisg> Or manually check it
[07:08] <hateball> Kara1: you can/could put linux on the PS3, it's... not really useful
[07:08] <alkisg> e.g.: cat /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:08] <specialkender_> hello guys
[07:08] <specialkender_> anybody here that can help me with a processor issue?
[07:08] <Neo4> do you think Gimp is good editor?
[07:09] <ergodicwalk> Alkisg it says temporary failure in name resolution
[07:09] <cfhowlett> Neo4, doesn't matter what we think - it matters what YOU think.  many millions use and like gimp
[07:09] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: that means you don't have networking, enable networking first
[07:10] <Neo4> cfhowlett: I want to be top webdesigner on freelance, might be Gimp right tool?
[07:10] <cfhowlett> neo4 entirely doable with gimp.
[07:10] <Neo4> cfhowlett: I'm going to create design for sites
[07:11] <cfhowlett> www.reddit.com/r/gimp        /r/web_design might be worth a look
[07:11] <Neo4> cfhowlett: ok, will learn it. I think in photoshop will equal operations and I can repeat then
[07:11] <hotbobby> ps3 linux was used for clusterd comptuting atleast once
[07:11] <ergodicwalk> Alkisg how do I do that
[07:11] <hotbobby> the fat ps3s
[07:11] <ergodicwalk> From tty1
[07:11] <specialkender_> so, i came back from the vacations and basically when i run any program that would take like 10% of the CPU of my computer is now taking 100%. Nobody should have touched my pc, so i really dunno what it can be. i have an intel i7-6700 8core. Anyone know what can it be?
[07:12] <cfhowlett> Neo4, I'm no coder, but pretty sure that web design doesn't much care how the image is created so long as it meets the specs
[07:12] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: either create a network-manager connection or run sudo dhclient... in any case, maybe it'll be faster if you reinstall while keeping /home?
[07:13] <Neo4> cfhowlett: I'm too, I know there always using psd
[07:13] <hotbobby> whoa alkisg
[07:13] <ergodicwalk> Alkisg I would if I had a boot disk or the ability to make one :/
[07:13] <hotbobby> its possible to reinstall keeping /home/?
[07:13] <hotbobby> or must /home be on its on partition
[07:13] <Neo4> propably client's will require psd format not gimp
[07:13] <alkisg> hotbobby: sure, no, it doesn't need to be in a partition
[07:13] <cfhowlett> Neo4, that is entirely possible.
[07:13] <hotbobby> alkisg: is that an option in the installer? i am currently trying to back up a server and it will take days to dl/reupload all this stuff
[07:14] <cfhowlett> suggest you take this to reddit.com/r/gimp to inquire about .psd output
[07:14] <hotbobby> when all i need to do is reinstall and keep /home/
[07:14] <specialkender_> please guys i'm pretty desperate >.<
[07:15] <hotbobby> specialkender_: your question is too vague and cannot be explained by the limited information we're given
[07:15] <Neo4> cfhowlett: here exist #gimp channel, but there seems more newbies than I am :)
[07:15] <ergodicwalk> Alkisg having trouble connecting to network
[07:15] <alkisg> hotbobby: the desktop installer, if you select "use / as ext4 without formatting", tells you it'll keep /home etc but not /usr
[07:15] <hotbobby> alkisg: oh. genius!
[07:15] <ergodicwalk> Ifconfig only shows lo and w1p1s0
[07:15] <cfhowlett> Neo4, i'm aware of a few design studios that use opensource only so it *can* be done
[07:15] <hotbobby> alkisg: it will be functionally the same as a reformat, right? i wont have any configuration files, etc left over?
[07:15] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: finding a way to reinstall would be much easier than learning how to salvage this
[07:15] <specialkender_>  hotbobby: what info do you need?
[07:16] <alkisg> hotbobby: no system config will remain, while of course all /home/username/*config will remain
[07:16] <hotbobby> oh i mean things in like /etc/
[07:16] <ergodicwalk> I don’t really have access to a machine where I can make a boot disk is the issue.
[07:16] <ergodicwalk> I’m at university; the desktops don’t give me sudo access
[07:16] <alkisg> You don't need sudo access to write a stick
[07:16] <its_Mansoor> Hi, i need to clear last logins from my ubuntu xenial. searched a lot but didn't find any help. note: i've disabled motd by commenting lines in /etc/pam.d/sshd
[07:17] <hannibal> sudo access for what?
[07:17] <ergodicwalk> Don’t you need it for diskutility?
[07:17] <specialkender_> sorry but i'm no ubuntu expert, if you need  any info ask me.
[07:18] <Kara1> ps3 linux was used for clusterd comptuting atleast once
[07:18] <Kara1> interesting stuff guy
[07:18] <Kara1> s
[07:18] <cfhowlett> Neo4, FYI     https://www.nirmal.com.au/web-design-open-source-tools/
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> !who
[07:20] <oerheks> Kara1, keep this channel free for ubuntu support, there is #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat, thanks
[07:21] <Kara1> apologies later peeeps i loves uz all for rocking my world
[07:22] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: you can even create the stick from the existing installation there
[07:22] <ergodicwalk> How?
[07:22] <cfhowlett> specialkender_, open a terminal.  enter the following then press <enter>        enter
[07:23] <cfhowlett> your runnig processes are listed in descending order of CPU demand
[07:26] <specialkender_> cfhowlett_ are you seeing my messages?
[07:26] <cfhowlett> specialkender_, none since you posted the question
[07:27] <specialkender_> i am using tab, dammit i never used an IRC be4 XD.
[07:27] <oerheks>  sudo snap install 0ad
[07:27] <cfhowlett> specialkender_, did you run the "top" command?
[07:27] <specialkender_> so i dont see what i should type, i saw you typed " enter the following then press <enter>        enter"
[07:27] <specialkender_> yes
[07:28] <cfhowlett> specialkender_, any processes using double digit CPU%?
[07:28] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: it's just wget + dd
[07:28] <specialkender_> cfhowlett _now yes, pulseaudio
[07:29] <specialkender_> cfhowlett_ 10.6%
[07:29] <cfhowlett> specialkender_, double digit?  really?  I'm playing an .mp3 in the background but it hits only 3%
[07:29] <cfhowlett> what are the most demanding processes you have running, specialkender_
[07:31] <specialkender_> cfhowlett _ that's what i am saying, every thing running takes huge amounts of CPU. i think there is a problem with the way its using the processor, but i dunno what to look at. now it-s pulseaudio and btw i have no music running. but if i start any program it takes like 98-100% of the cpu
[07:33] <cfhowlett> specialkender_, unless this is a cutting edge machine, I'd be surprised to see a processor malfunction.
[07:33] <cfhowlett> ram, however, does fail.  try this:   free | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:34] <hateball> specialkender_: if eg your HDD is failing that can cause high cpu as well, as things have to wait reading from the drive
[07:34] <hateball> or buggy SSD firmware perhaps
[07:34] <specialkender_> how can i check?
[07:34] <specialkender_> i don't have SSD
[07:35] <hateball> specialkender_: do you get any errors if you run "dmesg" ?
[07:35] <specialkender_> yes
[07:36] <specialkender_> [   24.354112] Status code returned 0xc000006d NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[07:36] <specialkender_> [    7.011929] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: failed to add i915_bpo component master (-19)
[07:36] <specialkender_> [    0.974766] tpm tpm0: A TPM error (6) occurred attempting to read a pcr value
[07:37] <specialkender_> basically these
[07:38] <specialkender_> also cfhowlett_ i run that string, and it gave me a link
[07:38] <cfhowlett> specialkender_, yep.   paste it here
[07:38] <specialkender_> http://termbin.com/fw1a
[07:39] <cfhowlett> normal
[07:40] <specialkender_> sometimes Xorg and Web Content pop up top with around 10% usage. so it's like among them and pulse audio they get 30% total CPU uage. That's clearly not normal
[07:42] <JTech> so the boot ISO I wrote to USB isn't working. "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" Would it be easier to put something on USB that tells it to download the installer? rather than to try and fix this?
[07:43] <plab_> gi
[07:43] <plab_> hi
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> plab_: welcome what can we do for you?
[07:44] <specialkender_> mmm maybe i'll post on the forums, can you maybe tell me what info should i include?
[07:45] <ergodicwalk> Ok alksig I have a boot disk how do I reinstall without deleting data on my user account?
[07:45] <specialkender_> lotuspsychje_ help me? O.O
[07:45] <plab_> how can I help?
[07:45] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: if you use <tab> in irc, e.g. alk<tab>, it correctly autocompletes the user names
[07:45] <plab_> alkisg: yerah
[07:46] <specialkender_> hateball: can you read me?
[07:46] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuReinstallation
[07:47] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: or if you want pictures, something like this: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/install-ubuntu-mate-using-something-else-method/651 BUT WITHOUT CHECKING TO FORMAT THE DISK
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> specialkender_: to get your issue solved, re-ask your question in the channel once in a while with all details
[07:49] <hateball> specialkender_: Yes
[07:49] <specialkender_> so, i came back from the vacations and basically when i run any program that would take like 10% of the CPU of my computer is now taking 100%. Nobody should have touched my pc, so i really dunno what it can be. i have an intel i7-6700 8core. Anyone know what can it be?
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> specialkender_: ubuntu version? kernel?
[07:51] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: but the problem is that when I get to that screen it says this computer has no detected operating system
[07:51] <hateball> specialkender_: just for the sake of it you can check your HDD health by first installing "sudo apt install smartmontools" (when sendmail asks, just say no configuration) then run "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999"
[07:52] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: what's the output of this from the live cd? ( sudo lsblk --fs; sudo parted -l ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:52] <specialkender_> lotuspsychje: Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS  4.4.0-109-generic
[07:52] <specialkender_> hateball: will do
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> specialkender_: update to .3
[07:54] <specialkender_> lotuspsychje: ok i'll try in a moment
[07:54] <specialkender_> lotuspsychje: would it have anything to do with this though?
[07:54] <specialkender_> hateball: http://termbin.com/9vwv
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> specialkender_: always keep your system up to date
[07:56] <JTech> is Xfce known for having windows that are insanely difficult to resize, or is that something I can fix with a setting?
[07:57] <JTech> just wondering if my choice of Xubuntu that I went with for the past 3 years is a good one.
[07:57] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: termbin.com/ede6c
[07:57] <cfhowlett> JTech, ask #xubuntu or #xfce
[07:57] <JTech> there's a channel for everything, isn't there?
[08:02] <Sweepyoface> So I just ran the 16.04 server command from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack and rebooted, but my kernel is still 4.13.0-041300rc6-generic
[08:02] <Sweepyoface> How would I switch it
[08:02] <Sweepyoface> ?*
[08:03] <specialkender_> dammit i disconnected
[08:03] <specialkender_> hateball: sorry anything strange in the end?
[08:03] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: did you manually install that kernel?
[08:04] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: any ideas?
[08:04] <Sweepyoface> I'm not sure, I may have, what do you mean by that?
[08:04] <specialkender_> so, i came back from the vacations and basically when i run any program that would have took 10% before takes like 10% of the CPU of my computer is now taking 100%. Like pulse audio takes 13% without any audio running. Nobody should have touched my pc, so i really dunno what it can be. i have an intel i7-6700 8core. Anyone know what can it be?
[08:04] <Sweepyoface> I ran autoremove and it removed the old packages but nothing changed
[08:04] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: sudo apt-get dist-upgade normally installs new kernel. wget + dpkg -i means you manually installed it
[08:04] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: I don't know what the current issue is
[08:04] <Sweepyoface> Let's assume manual then, how do I install this one?
[08:04] <hateball> specialkender_: well there are raw values for both read and write errors, but the problem is that they are vendor specific so it is not so easy to interpret
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> specialkender_: are you updating system yet?
[08:05] <ergodicwalk> I don’t know how to install without deleting home. The link you provided didn’t help, since my machine thinks there’s no Ubuntu for some reason :/
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> specialkender_: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:05] <specialkender_> lotuspsychje: i am doung it right now
[08:05] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: ah, that's because you're using encryption
[08:06] <Sweepyoface> There's nothing to dist-upgrade, but I don't have the kernel
[08:06] <ergodicwalk> Is there anything I can do to get around that?
[08:06] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: I avoid full disk encryption for such cases :) See if anyone else knows how to handle  this.
[08:07] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: of course one way would be to shrink your encrypted partitions, then copy your existing /home to a new one
[08:08] <ergodicwalk> Alkisg can you explain a bit more what you mean by that
[08:09] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: let's say that nvme0n1p3 is 200 GB. You use gparted to make it 150 GB, and you create a new one called HOME with 50 GB. Then you boot to your normal installation and run cp -a /home /path/to/newhomepartition
[08:10] <Sweepyoface> https://hastebin.com/rokoqorafi.vbs anyone know how I would switch this to the HWE kernel?
[08:10] <alkisg> (you didn't paste the output of parted -l that I asked, so I don't know the exact size)
[08:10] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: what's the output of ls -l /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:11] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: http://termbin.com/s888
[08:11] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: also, use names when replying to someone specific, so that we notice your answers
[08:11] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: ok, so now you have: 4.4 old, 4.13 correct, 4.13 manual, and are booted in 4.13 manual
[08:11] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: now you're supposed to reboot, and select 4.13 correct from grub
[08:11] <alkisg> Specifically, 4.13.0-26
[08:12] <alkisg> Once you're booted into that, you'll be able to remove the unneeded kernels
[08:12] <Sweepyoface> Is there a way to do that without physical access to the machine?
[08:12] <Sweepyoface> it's from a provider
[08:12] <alkisg> Are you sure it will boot with that kernel? Some clients fail to boot with that one
[08:12] <alkisg> An update is expected that will solve that issue
[08:13] <specialkender_> lotuspsychje: it's going, it will take a while though
[08:13] <Sweepyoface> shouldn't it?
[08:13] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: let's say it has a 5% chance of failing. Are you ok with that?
[08:13] <alkisg> I.e. will you be able then to ask someone with physical access to select another kernel from the menu?
[08:13] <Sweepyoface> yes
[08:13] <Sweepyoface> i.e, the control panel
[08:14] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: so let’s say nvme0n1p3 is 500 gb and my home folder is 190gb. I use gparted to make a new partition called home and copy my home folder recursively there. Then I reinstall Ubuntu on the remaining 300gb?
[08:15] <ergodicwalk> (The new home partition would be 200gb)
[08:15] <EriC^^> 300gb is huge for a root fs
[08:15] <EriC^^> 20gb would be more than enough
[08:16] <ergodicwalk> I mean that’s where my new home folder would be
[08:16] <EriC^^> yeah, make it around 20gb and 480gb for /home
[08:16] <ergodicwalk> Yeah
[08:17] <ergodicwalk> But is that what you’d suggest alksig
[08:17] <EriC^^> do you want hibernation?
[08:17] <ergodicwalk> alkisg
[08:17] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: I see you can edit GRUB_DEFAULT with a number but I don't know which one 4.4 would be
[08:17] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: leave 50 gb for /, and make the rest /home
[08:18] <ergodicwalk> but i mean for the old stuff
[08:18] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: you can use the string from /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[08:18] <JTech> how do I search for how to install via internet? I tried: xubuntu install "via internet"
[08:18] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: you're right, you can resize it later after the copy
[08:18] <alkisg> make it 200 initially, resize it to 400 later
[08:19] <specialkender_> so, i came back from the vacations and basically when i run any program that would have took 10% before takes like 10% of the CPU of my computer is now taking 100%. Like pulse audio takes 13% without any audio running. If i open youtube Web content takes 80% CPU. Nobody should have touched my pc, so i really dunno what it can be. i have an intel i7-6700 8core. Anyone know what can it be?
[08:19] <ergodicwalk> Ok and repartitioning won’t delete any data
[08:19] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: sorry, which string?
[08:19] <Neo4> I'm going to install photoshop on wine
[08:19] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: as long as you don't delete partitions, yes
[08:19] <Neo4> will it work?
[08:20] <Sweepyoface> I see menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-109-generic'
[08:20] <hateball> !wine | Neo4
[08:21] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: you want the 4.13-26 one
[08:21] <Neo4> hateball: how install wine on ubuntu? I used ' sudo apt-get install wine ' but then I read there other method
[08:21] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: GRUB_DEFAULT="Ubuntu, with Linux 4.13.0-26-generic"
[08:21] <Neo4> here is https://askubuntu.com/questions/316025/how-to-install-and-configure-wine
[08:22] <Sweepyoface> ah thanks
[08:22] <nicomachus> Neo4: do you absolutely need photoshop? GIMP is a very good alternative
[08:22] <nicomachus> !info gimp | Neo4
[08:22] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: and then sudo update-grub
[08:22] <jeffmr> JTech, did the usb install not work?
[08:22] <Neo4> nicomachus: no, gimp is not suited for professional web design
[08:22] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sure it is
[08:22] <JTech> OMG I'm so exhausted I put in the wrong USB stick! it... it works??? and... and I think the new thermal paste on the northbridge chipset heatsync might be working too.
[08:22] <Neo4> nicomachus: clients require PSD files
[08:23] <nicomachus> you can save as PSD from gimp
[08:23] <Neo4> photoshop is standard in this domain, if I use gimp I won't find client
[08:23] <specialkender_> hateball: no other ideas? :(
[08:23] <Neo4> nicomachus: really? I didn't know it
[08:24] <JTech> .... aw what? (initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a live file system ???
[08:26] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: did that, rebooted, still on 4.13.0-041300rc6-generic :/
[08:26] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: pastebin your current /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[08:26] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: http://termbin.com/gewp
[08:26] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: I didn't ask that one :) Check again
[08:27] <Sweepyoface> ah sorry
[08:27] <JTech> no, I was wrong. the northbridge chipset heatsync is still running pretty hot. :(
[08:27] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: http://termbin.com/leww
[08:28] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: try this: GRUB_DEFAULT="Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.13.0-26-generic" and update-grub
[08:30] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: thanks! that fixed it
[08:31] <Sweepyoface> Now can I delete the other kernels to get rid of the clutter?
[08:31] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: yes
[08:31] <Sweepyoface> sorry was asking how lol
[08:31] <alkisg> Haha
[08:32] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: dpkg -l '*linux*' | grep ^ii | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:32] <Sweepyoface> http://termbin.com/pn4l
[08:32] <Sweepyoface> So I can just remove those with dpkg then, got it
[08:32] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: wait
[08:33] <Sweepyoface> waiting
[08:33] <Neo4> nicomachus: yes, really can Export and type psd, on #gimp channel I was said I can't save, There newbies. won't use photoshop, will try gimp and on yotube one guy praised it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PON13bncOZE
[08:33] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: sudo apt purge  linux-headers-4.13.0-041300rc6  linux-headers-4.13.0-041300rc6-generic   linux-headers-4.13.0-999   linux-headers-4.13.0-999-generic  linux-headers-4.4.0-109  linux-headers-4.4.0-109-generic    linux-image-extra-4.4.0-109-generic    linux-image-4.13.0-999-generic   linux-image-4.4.0-109-generic   linux-image-4.13.0-041300rc6-generic
[08:33] <alkisg> It'll also remove linux-generic, it's ok
[08:38] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: once you're done, remember to revert your GRUB_DEFAULT, so that it works on future updates
[08:39] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: thanks, so the reason I wanted to do this was to get aufs support with linux-image-extra, but now that's installed and I don't have aufs
[08:39] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: what do you mean, modprobe aufs fails?
[08:40] <hateball> specialkender_: did you fully upgrade your system as suggested ?
[08:40] <Sweepyoface> alkisg: oh, that worked thanks
[08:40] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: also, aufs is in NOT in extra: linux-image-4.13.0-26-generic: /lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic/kernel/fs/aufs/aufs.ko
[08:40] <alkisg> Sweepyoface: it's in the main package
[08:41] <ioni> does somebody know why qemu fix related to spectre is stuck as proposed in security ppa?
[08:41] <ioni> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[08:41] <ioni> qemu package is still needed https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2017/CVE-2017-5715.html
[08:42] <Sweepyoface> Yeah I think I was looking at a tutorial for trusty
[08:44] <beak> hello?
[08:45] <beak> I am trying to install amdgpupro on Ubuntu 16.04 and I cannot login in to my session
[08:45] <beak> How to get amdgpupro working?
[08:46] <hateball> Hasnt mesa surpassed amdgpu-pro by now?
[08:47] <beak> hateball, i need special drivers for video editing
[08:48] <specialkender_> hateball: yes, it might have fixed it
[08:48] <hotbobby> any help for a broken debconf preventing use of apt? https://pastebin.com/raw/Rjupq3Zf
[08:48] <hateball> beak: I have very little knowledge about AMD so I wont suggest anything, I was just under the impression that the latest mesa (found in oibaf ppa for instance) was on par with amdgpu-pro
[08:49] <hateball> or even surpasses it
[08:49] <specialkender_> hateball: i am not really really sure of how to try it out, things are still using 100% cpu, but at least now if i open 2 programs it splits the CPU among the 2
[08:50] <beak> hateball, it depends
[08:51] <beak> For gaming, yeah. For editing graphics, no.
[08:53] <alkisg> hotbobby:   reading files list for package 'debconf': Input/output error ==> that suggests a broken disk or a bad file system. Start with dmesg => check for errors , smartctl -a, fsck, etc
[08:54] <JTech> is the login password for Xubuntu what it uses to encrypt the home folder? because I picked a weak password for that. :(
[08:54] <JTech> also it only asked to encrypt one storage device, my SSD. how do I get it to encrypt the new HDD as well?
[08:55] <urdh> when I got to work today Ubuntu decided it's no longer possible to rotate my external monitors, does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
[08:56] <hotbobby> alkisg: ill take a look
[08:57] <hotbobby> i cant do too much as i back it up, though bu i can look at logs and smart status
[08:57] <hotbobby> this just "happened one day", i tried to use apt and its broken. i hope the drive is not kinda dead. will be hard to convince the host to replace until its 100% dead
[09:00] <JTech> crap crap crap. I think it used my Xubuntu login password to do encryption
[09:00] <JTech> why didn't they warn me about that?!?! do I have to reinstall the whole thing??
[09:01] <Seveas> JTech: you can change that password without reinstalling
[09:01] <JTech> oh ok. whew.
[09:01] <JTech> thanks.
[09:01] <hotbobby> alkisg: sorry to bother you, but are these 'bad' errors? https://pastebin.com/raw/acCKJdhC
[09:02] <hotbobby> it looks like its just timing out waiting for data?
[09:02] <hotbobby> [13634.465965] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 8682480
[09:02] <hotbobby> nevermind , bad drive :(
[09:04] <JTech> i really hope my other motherboard's northbridge chipset heatsync performs better than this one... I'm in the home stretch
[09:04] <quantumkoen> hi all, on the odd chance someone in here has been through this before: anyone managed to get 'python3 -m venv env' working on ubuntu 16.04? it complains ensurepip is not available, even though python3-pip is installed..
[09:04] <alkisg> hotbobby: yes, replace it
[09:07] <draget> The OpenBSD SSHD documentation says, that ClientAliveInterval and ClientAliveCountMax is 15/3 per default: https://man.openbsd.org/sshd_config#ClientAliveInterval
[09:08] <draget> When checking this on ubuntu (sshd -T to see config), it says the values are set to 0. Eventho they are not listed in the sshd_config.
[09:08] <draget> Is the documentation wrong or does ubuntu set this somewhere else?
[09:09] <mazhar> HumbleMaze
[09:09] <mazhar> Test
[09:16] <JTech> how do I encrypt an HDD and set it to my home folder? the installation only encrypted my SSD.
[09:16] <hotbobby> in the installation you can set a drive to have a /home/ mountpoint, and specify encryption
[09:17] <hotbobby> choose manual partitioning and look at all the options
[09:17] <JTech> does that only work if you forgo LVM and do it manually?
[09:18] <hotbobby> i am not sure. there is a menu in the installation that's like Guided, Use Free Space On /dev/sda/ , ... Manual
[09:19] <hotbobby> i dont think you have to do anything with lvm you just create partitions and assign mountpoints from that menu
[09:20] <JTech> I'm nervous about running it with that scalding hot heatsync. is there any way I can prepare to know all the steps in advance so I'm not researching it when it pops up?
[09:20] <oerheks> full disk = lvm, encrypted home = encryptfs + luks
[09:21] <JTech> I'm going to swap motherboards after it's installed.
[09:22] <oerheks> bad idea
[09:22] <JTech> oerheks, what? but I did both. but it wouldn't let me pick the HDD for my home folder or encryption or anything.
[09:22] <JTech> what?
[09:22] <JTech> but I can't install on the other motherboard. and people told me encryption would be fine even if I change motherboards.
[09:23] <oerheks> so you ask question and you know the answer already .. and you run debian :-D
[09:23] <JTech> what?
[09:24] <JTech> I managed to install Debian 2 years ago and didn't stay with it because it was so difficult.
[09:24] <JTech> no I don't know the answer.
[09:26] <akik> JTech: the hd encryption is not connected with the motherboard per se, so if the disk boots in your new machine, the encryption should just work
[09:27] <JTech> in order to set my /home on a 2nd drive, with encryption, I have to set up the partitions manually? and forgo LVM?
[09:29] <JTech> it's been ages since I dealt with partitions. is there some way I can look up all the decisions I have to make in advance? for encryption and putting /home on the 2nd drive.
[09:30] <oerheks> hit ' something different'  in the installer, for manual partitioning
[09:31] <oerheks> or read the wiki ?
[09:36] <JTech> why am I getting the wrong images on the ubuntu wiki? please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting. no sites are blocked according to noscript.
[09:38] <JTech> ... I globally allowed all scripts and still no change.
[09:38] <JTech> why is the simplest thing always an obstacle for me???
[09:38] <neure> hi
[09:38] <neure> is it possible to make dual boot ubuntu & windows with existing ubuntu installation?
[09:38] <neure> all guides i see first install windows, then ubuntu
[09:39] <neure> can i do it the other way around?
[09:39] <JTech> in the past I've been told it's possible but recommended to do the other way around, because Windows is really picky.
[09:39] <JTech> It's just easier to let that bully Windows have it's way.
[09:41] <alkisg> !grub | echo neure:
[09:41] <JTech> is it just me that can't see the images? is it permanently screwed since I had noscript enabled once? what's going on? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/CreatingPartitions
[09:41] <alkisg> neure: in other words, you install windows, and then follow that ^ page to reinstall grub in your existing installation
[09:41] <oerheks> JTech, it is not you, we' ll contact the maintainer
[09:42] <JTech> oerheks, ok, thanks. sorry I'm a huge baby.
[09:43] <Ben64> JTech: what page are you seeing that on
[09:43] <JTech> {that wasn't sarcasm. I'm being self-deferrential or whatever you call it}
[09:43] <JTech> Ben64, the one I just linked.
[09:44] <oerheks> Ben64, https://imgur.com/a/gsiwt
[09:44] <JTech> which search engine lets you view cached versions? only direct from google?
[09:46] <JTech> aw damn. that didn't work either.
[09:47] <oerheks> here also,.. https://web.archive.org/web/20180115094625/https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/CreatingPartitions
[09:48] <JTech> 2015?? :>
[09:48] <JTech> oh wait I read that wrong. sorry.
[09:49] <oerheks> *if* there were changes, there would be an archive of it
[09:49] <JTech> oh, I don't know how that works.
[09:54] <JTech> .... it's so hard to think after 3 days of work. my brain is mush from a life of ...
[09:55] <JTech> I mean it wasn't a very good brain even before the 3 days.
[09:55] <oerheks> yeah yeah, we heard that nonsense before
[09:56] <JTech> what am I gonna do. if I avoid further strain caused by figuring out partitions with encryption, I could just get it running right now.
[09:59] <c1639550> hey
[10:00] <c1639550> hi
[10:04] <noob_on_rails> hey all , i seem to have an issue with programs in the opt folder , linux doesn't show the program's icons in the quick launch bar , any ideas ?
[10:06] <deem> noob_on_rails: if you manually installed those applications you also need to manually create an icon for them
[10:06] <noob_on_rails> hmm
[10:07] <noob_on_rails> i think Postman was installed with dpkg
[10:07] <noob_on_rails> firefox on the other hand was just decompressed an pasted
[10:07] <deem> noob_on_rails: https://askubuntu.com/a/224021
[10:09] <noob_on_rails> umm this isn't about showing the icon
[10:09] <noob_on_rails> i mean , i have locked firefox in my launch bar , but it's just a 'gear' for an icon
[10:10] <noob_on_rails> now that i check again what you said initially should be true , Postman has an icon after all
[10:10] <deem> it's for the dash. didn't you talked about the dash?
[10:10] <noob_on_rails> no no , quick launch bar , the left one :D
[10:11] <deem> yeah. if there is an icon in dash, you can lock it to the quick launch bar. i'm not aware of another way
[10:11] <noob_on_rails> hmm
[10:11] <deem> the gear icon you mentioned is the default icon if there is none
[10:11] <deem> to specifiy one you need a .desktop file
[10:11] <noob_on_rails> yea seems like it
[10:12] <noob_on_rails> hmm
[10:12] <deem> in the post i linked, there is an example .desktop file which has an "icon" line to specify the icon
[10:13] <deem> besides, why didn't you just installed the firefox package provided with ubuntu?
[10:13] <JTech> doesn't encrypting the SSD with the HDD mean if one fails they're both unusable? does that mean it's better or possible to encrypt them separately?
[10:13] <JTech> am I complicating things? I don't know how to think.
[10:14] <georgios_> hello, how to install languages?
[10:15] <JTech> isn't it really easy to install languages?
[10:15] <georgios_> what command
[10:15] <noob_on_rails> deem: uhh i was very impatient when quantum came out
[10:15] <noob_on_rails> so i started from the beta
[10:16] <noob_on_rails> kinda messed up the whole thing for some reason
[10:16] <deem> noob_on_rails: you could remove the manually installed package and install the packaged one
[10:16] <noob_on_rails> i think i deleted and installed from aptitude tho , only to find out that the icon still wasn't tehre
[10:16] <deem> ;)
[10:17] <JTech> georgios_, did you use a search engine to look for the answer? I think it might be a keyboard layout you add rather than any specific "language" setting.
[10:18] <JTech> wait, no. because that still doesn't let you VIEW other languages, does it?
[10:19] <JTech> oh yeah. there it is in Ubuntu's settings. "Language support" how did I miss that?
[10:19] <georgios_> you use command but what command is it?
[10:20] <JTech> I don't use a command for that. I use the GUI.
[10:20] <georgios_> what GUI?
[10:21] <JTech> GUI: Graphical User Interface. windows, icons, mouse cursors.
[10:23] <JTech> what a strange experience that was.
[10:25] <noob_on_rails> deem: you believe there's any difference if i use firefox-bin to launch rather than firefox ?
[10:33] <deem> noob_on_rails: i don't know where this firefox-bin comes from. i don't have such a file, but the linked "firefox" binary is a bash script which starts firefox
[10:34] <noob_on_rails> hmmm
[10:35] <noob_on_rails> to my /usr/bin/firefox folder , there's firefox and firefox-bin , i changed the icons to both via right click and linking the icon , but only firefox-bin understands
[10:35] <noob_on_rails> working with the .desktop atm tho
[10:35] <noob_on_rails> trying to fix it :)
[10:35] <deem> which version of ubuntu are you using?
[10:35] <noob_on_rails> 16.04
[10:35] <deem> ok. might differ between my version. i'm on 17.10 right now
[10:37] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know how to fall back on the linux kernel
[10:39] <rory_> "apt update" is sticking on 97% "reading package lists" is there some way to remove this cache and force it to download all again?
[10:40] <jimb_> rory: sudo apt-get clean
[10:41] <EriC^^> rory_: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[10:41] <EriC^^> rory_: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*
[10:42] <rory_> EriC^^: that's what I was looking for, thanks, I know I've done it in the past.
[10:42] <EriC^^> rory_: no problem
[10:48] <noob_on_rails> i think i've completely messed up my ff installation ,pfff
[10:54] <nikosl90> hi
[11:14] <XXCoder> bleh it happened again
[11:15] <XXCoder> xscreensaver froze on wakeup
[11:15] <XXCoder> so had to ssh from other computer in order to kill process
[11:19] <goptimus> hi guys
[11:19] <kostkon> goptimus, hey
[11:20] <goptimus> late i have a bug
[11:20] <goptimus> in my first installation of ubuntu 16.04
[11:21] <goptimus> when opening the session
[11:22] <goptimus> failed when opening the session
[11:22] <goptimus> same invite session
[11:22] <goptimus> what is solution ?
[11:34] <neure> hi
[11:35] <neure> how do i make ubuntu not to boot to X11?
[11:36] <kostkon> !nox | neure
[11:45] <georges-duperon> Hi! Does anyone know how to enable xfs support on GRUB, so that it can load the kernel from an XFS root partition?
[11:46] <georges-duperon> I previously used the grub of another distro (NixOS) which supported XFS to boot my ubuntu,
[11:46] <georges-duperon> but a kernel upgrade installed ubuntu's version of GRUB, and listing the partitions shows that Grub cannot read from an XFS one :-(
[11:51] <neure> is there version or flags to mkdir to make all parent directories if needed?
[11:52] <EriC^^> neure: mkdir -p
[11:53] <georges-duperon> neure: mkdir -p also won't complain if the directory itself already exists. Very handy.
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:18] <JTech> I can't take this.
[12:18] <JTech> I'm going to buy a new computer.
[12:18] <JTech> 3 days of this constant stress with no relief.
[12:24] <BluesKaj> a new pc probly won't solve your problem, some help might
[12:40] <Devrim> Hmm..I just switched from OVH default kernel to the 'normal' ubuntu kernel, looks like I am protected for meltdown now. I guess I now have to wait for OVH to update the firmware of my server
[12:40] <Devrim> !ktpi
[12:41] <Devrim> !kpti
[12:41] <zomaar> Old Valour & Honour?
[12:41] <HermanDE> Morning all....  I'm having a bit of difficulty netbooting the Debian installer using iPXE on a UEFI box.  No rootfs found.
[12:41] <Devrim> https://www.ovh.com zomaar ;)
[12:42] <zomaar> Cannot open links
[12:43] <Devrim> zomaar OVH is a (french) hosting company
[12:43] <oerheks> HermanDE, #debian please
[12:43] <Devrim> I have a server with them :)
[12:44] <zomaar> Okay
[12:44] <Devrim> They are using some old kernel (3.14) as default and there is no update for it yet
[12:44] <Devrim> So I switched to the 'normal' ubuntu one
[12:44] <zomaar> You mean VPS?
[12:44] <andreas_s> Hi. I'm currently facing an issue with the xenial-proposed repository. The package initramfs-tools-core 0.122ubuntu8.11 depends on initramfs-tools-bin 0.122ubuntu8.11. But that version of the -bin package does not exist for s390x. the new version got released on Thursday last week. till then it is broken. How to proceed with such things? Just open a bug or is there a chance for a quick fix?
[12:44] <Devrim> Dedicated server
[12:44] <zomaar> Oh
[12:45] <zomaar> My VPS host I think just uses plain images from the distros
[12:45] <Devrim> Yeah OVH offers their own custom kernel by default on installation
[12:45] <Devrim> That's great for optimizations but not so great when they don't update it
[12:45] <zomaar> Except for the commercial admin packages
[12:46] <zomaar> (The plesk stuff etc. is all based on CentOS)
[12:47] <zomaar> I am still curious how you could escalate to root based on information alone
[12:48] <HermanDE> oerheks, It's Arty.....
[12:48] <HermanDE> Gotta love the debian-ubuntu family tree.
[12:50] <zomaar> Oerheks just always tries to be cuter than she should be and I guess I am really annoying right now.
[12:50] <tomreyn> andreas_s: a bug report is the way to go, i'd say. and maybe ping the package maintainer in case there's no action for a week.
[12:51] <zomaar> HermanDE: But I have no experience with iPXE nor with UEFI so can't help you there.
[12:51] <oerheks> zomaar, HermanDE not sure netboot works with UEFI, better ask in #debian
[12:52] <zomaar> Oerheks: that sounds a lot sweeter already lol
[12:53] <tomreyn> andreas_s: and keep in mind that while s390x is fully supported for 16.04, this refers to ubuntu-main but not -proposed.
[12:53] <zomaar> (I just can't stand how cute you are when you say "I still think it is ......" ;-))
[12:54] <tomreyn> andreas_s: you could also ask this in #ubuntu-s390x
[12:54] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/S390X#Community
[12:54] <andreas_s> tomreyn: thx.
[12:55] <zomaar> Oerheks, remember the guy with the failing USB?
[12:55] <joaopaulosr> hello guys, anybody in here know anything about nvidia drivers for GEForce 7200GS? I'm trying to use it in ubuntu 16 but the screen effects are so slow that I can only use the computeder in TTY mode =(
[12:55] <zomaar> It could never be an exFAT problem if the device was not even recognised :).
[12:56] <andreas_s> tomreyn: the issue is, that the proposed repo is automatically added when working with preseed. I didn't find a way to disable it so far... I'll open a bug, thx!
[12:56] <tomreyn> good luck
[12:57] <zomaar> joaopaulosr: So you have used both Nouveau and nVidia?
[12:58] <joaopaulosr> zomaar, actually i only tried to install the 304 driver
[12:58] <joaopaulosr> nouveau is the opensource version of legacy drivers, right?
[12:59] <joaopaulosr> is it stable enough so it's worth a try?
[12:59] <zomaar> joaopaulosr: But the system comes installed with Nouveau, so you only have issues with nVidia?
[12:59] <zomaar> No Nouveau is more like reverse-engineered
[12:59] <joaopaulosr> ow, it thats the case i have had problems with both of them
[12:59] <zomaar> I think
[13:00] <joaopaulosr> i tried to install the proprietary drivers in order to fix the speed neck i was facing
[13:00] <joaopaulosr> afterall, nothing changed
[13:00] <oerheks> joaopaulosr, that gpu from 2005 is way old, even for Nouveau
[13:00] <zomaar> For me it's hard to help, I don't know all the details
[13:00] <zomaar> About their systems
[13:01] <zomaar> Agreed it would be better investing in some $40 modern card if you have the money
[13:02] <zomaar> I had a similar card without much good luck
[13:02] <zomaar> Some GT 7800 or something
[13:02] <zomaar> Didn't work in KDE, worked in Cinnamon but only Nouveau, Cinnamon crashed with nVidia
[13:03] <zomaar> Gave standby issues with Nouveau, still some with NVidia
[13:05] <oerheks> $10.20 https://www.ebay.com/itm/GALAXY-Technology-NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-520-52GGS4HX9DTX/332516725900 and you fly youtube
[13:05] <zomaar> Aye, in the Netherlands they often ask a high price on marktplaats
[13:07] <oerheks> indeed, and this is the old pciXpress 1.3
[13:08] <zomaar> (Ik heb er zelf ook nog eentje nodig, ik heb die oude weggeflikkerd) oops
[13:10] <zomaar> What is tudelft.net nowadays?
[13:11] <zomaar> When I was in the TU there were only some student servers like panic.tudelft.nl but no tudelft.net
[13:11] <zomaar> Okay offtopic I guess
[13:11] <DJAnonimo> hello, I'm running ubuntu on Orange Pi and I would like to start an app when system boot. app is liquidsoap which I get the follwoing messag when started as root init: security exit, root euid (user).
[13:12] <DJAnonimo> Ubuntu 16.04
[13:12] <DJAnonimo> anyone can help?
[13:12] <zomaar> So it wants to be started as a regular user
[13:12] <DJAnonimo> yes
[13:13] <zomaar> You can start it with su <user> -c command
[13:13] <zomaar> Or sudo -u <user> command
[13:14] <zomaar> Applications are capable of changing their own euid but it wouldn't know what to change it to
[13:17] <DJAnonimo> zomaar: ok... I can put this line in rc.local and it will run on startup?
[13:17] <bobu> hi there
[13:19] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: As long as it doesn't require a graphical environment
[13:19] <DJAnonimo> no it doesn't
[13:20] <zomaar> Be sure to put it in front of the 'exit 0' and not behind ;-)
[13:20] <EriC^^> DJAnonimo: start it as your user using crontab @reboot /path/to/program
[13:21] <EriC^^> rc.local won't work if it's saying root euid exit, rc.local runs as root, crontab @reboot would just be easier and cleaner
[13:21] <DJAnonimo> oh
[13:21] <EriC^^> DJAnonimo: try it first using * * * * * cause crontab's environment is different than your shell
[13:21] <EriC^^> that'll run every minute
[13:21] <DJAnonimo> EriC^^: where I need to add cronta line?
[13:21] <zomaar> Of course what I said would work
[13:22] <zomaar> This is just more complex
[13:22] <EriC^^> DJAnonimo: type 'crontab -e'
[13:22] <bobu> hi. how can I set a shared folder without restarting to make it work? Gigolo won't list it if I don't reboot.
[13:22] <EriC^^> zomaar: not really
[13:22] <zomaar> So it's not easier and cleaner at all, but anyway
[13:23] <EriC^^> zomaar: it is :)
[13:23] <zomaar> Crontab path issues are many and common
[13:23] <zomaar> Just because you say so doesn't make it so, but anyway
[13:23] <EriC^^> to use rc.local you'd have to use su - <user name> /path/to/program so it doesnt run as root
[13:24] <EriC^^> fine, you gave your advice, i gave mine, no need for this whole.. whatever it is
[13:24] <EriC^^> (butt hurting)
[13:24] <zomaar> I just said the equivalent of that
[13:25] <zomaar> Just don't say that what I said won't work when it will
[13:25] <EriC^^> so using crontab -e as your user to add a service is more complex than editing rc.local and dropping to the user then running the program
[13:25] <EriC^^> zomaar: it won't, you never told him to use su to change user
[13:26] <zomaar> Yes I did
[13:26] <EriC^^> can you paste that i missed it
[13:26] <DJAnonimo> sudo -u orangepi liquidsoap /etc/liquidsoap/radio.liq
[13:26] <DJAnonimo> this one to rc.local... ?
[13:26] <noob_on_rails> /j rubyonrails
[13:26] <noob_on_rails> opps :D
[13:26] <EriC^^> zomaar: oh, my apologies
[13:27] <ppf> is there a way to get notified as a user of a specific keyboard being plugged in ?
[13:28] <zomaar> Yes that will work
[13:28] <zomaar> But try it first from root to be sure
[13:28] <hateball> ppf: you could write a udev rule I perhaps
[13:29] <DJAnonimo> hmmm
[13:29] <ppf> hateball: yeah i can, but is there nothing pre-built?
[13:29] <DJAnonimo> I get: Home directory not accessible: Permission denied
[13:29] <DJAnonimo> W: [pulseaudio] core-util.c: Failed to open configuration file '/root/.config/pulse//daemon.conf': Permission denied
[13:29] <DJAnonimo> W: [pulseaudio] daemon-conf.c: Failed to open configuration file: Permission denied
[13:29] <hateball> ppf: highly doubt it. you need to specify the vendor strings anyhow
[13:29] <DJAnonimo> this three lines...
[13:29] <zomaar> You used sudo -u right?
[13:30] <DJAnonimo> yes
[13:30] <zomaar> Can you try su <user> -c still? Or su - <user> -c?
[13:32] <ppf> hateball: i was imagining being able to do this with dbus
[13:32] <akik> zomaar: using sudo without -i leaves the process in the "wrong" directory, i.e. in the calling user's directory
[13:32] <geirha> with sudo -u, you'll want -H as well. sudo -Hu username cmd ...
[13:33] <DJAnonimo> with "su <user> -c" I get like no config passed
[13:33] <DJAnonimo> liquidsoap output: No output defined, nothing to do.
[13:33] <zomaar> Yes I am sorry, it would be su - root -c "command parameter"
[13:34] <zomaar> akik: Okay learned something
[13:34] <geirha> sudo -Hu orangepi liquidsoap /etc/liquidsoap/radio.liq
[13:34] <DJAnonimo> yea
[13:34] <DJAnonimo> geirha this one works
[13:34] <DJAnonimo> with H
[13:34] <zomaar> Thank you
[13:35] <DJAnonimo> but for some reasons worked after 4 retry's
[13:35] <DJAnonimo> error: Thread 6 killed on uncaught exception Alsa.Device_busy
[13:36] <BluesKaj> DJAnonimo, what are trying to to with the pulse daemon.config file ?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> to do
[13:36] <DJAnonimo> I dont know whats this file and where is located
[13:36] <zomaar> No it is just being read by the sound program
[13:37] <zomaar> Well if you must try you can still try Eric's approach
[13:38] <EriC^^> DJAnonimo: first try sudo -i <user> <program> and see how it works
[13:38]  * BluesKaj wonders what he's trying to achieve
[13:38] <EriC^^> DJAnonimo: sudo -iu <user> <program>
[13:39] <DJAnonimo> both commands do not fail on execution
[13:39] <DJAnonimo> now I can try to put it in rc.local and reboot?
[13:40] <zomaar> Yes
[13:40] <DJAnonimo> ok. rebooting
[13:42] <zomaar> BluesKaj: He wanted to run a specific program as a specific user at bootup
[13:43] <BluesKaj> creating pulse.config fille seems drastic
[13:43] <DJAnonimo> program is not running
[13:43] <ppf> is there something like udev, but for a user session?
[13:43] <zomaar> Didn't want to
[13:44] <DJAnonimo> log is not created...
[13:44] <EriC^^> DJAnonimo: try adding > /var/tmp/liquidsoaplog 2>&1 to add
[13:45] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: There may already be output in sudo journalctl as well
[13:45] <zomaar> sudo journalctl | grep "rc.local"
[13:46] <akik> ppf: if you create a udev rule, it'll be ran for all users when an event happens
[13:46] <DJAnonimo> hmmm
[13:46] <zomaar> ppf: Are you talking monitor?
[13:46] <ppf> akik: i know, but i want to trigger things in the user session
[13:46] <DJAnonimo> no recent logs in journalctl
[13:46] <ppf> zonum: monitor?
[13:46] <akik> ppf: that's what i meant :)
[13:47] <ppf> akik: then i didn't understand :)
[13:47] <zomaar> ppf: Maybe it was about monitor events...
[13:47] <ppf> so how do i inject something in the user session
[13:47] <zomaar> What user "session"
[13:47] <ppf> zomaar: what's a monitor event
[13:47] <zomaar> An event that happens when you turn on a monitor
[13:47] <akik> ppf: it's run as root. ok now i got what you meant, sorry
[13:48] <ppf> zomaar: no, it's for when i plug in a keyboard
[13:48] <akik> ppf: even though if it's run as root, you can use sudo to run processes as the user
[13:48] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: Eric's tip should help
[13:48] <DJAnonimo> oh. i need to put it in /etc/rc.local rigth=
[13:49] <DJAnonimo> ?
[13:49] <zomaar> What
[13:49] <ppf> akik: sure, but it's only supposed to happen when a user session is active
[13:49] <zomaar> The original command or the > /var/tmp thing?
[13:49] <DJAnonimo> the line sudo -i....
[13:49] <ppf> and only if it's a graphical session
[13:49] <zomaar> Yes
[13:49] <DJAnonimo> my bad. there is rc.local in init.d
[13:49] <DJAnonimo> i'm rebooting
[13:50] <zomaar> Oh
[13:50] <ppf> so here's what i wanna do: upon login i run setxkbmap and a tool that manages hotkeys and lighting
[13:50] <ppf> if i unplug and replug the keyboard, though, all of that is lost
[13:50] <ppf> so i need to restart it
[13:52] <ppf> udev can detect the replug event, but i'm not very sure how to handle it properly
[13:52] <akik> ppf: here's just an example of plugging in a usb stick and touching a file when that happens: https://pastebin.com/raw/G3bEXJgT
[13:53] <EriC^^> DJAnonimo: yeah
[13:53] <EriC^^> DJAnonimo: this program is a cli daemon right?
[13:53] <DJAnonimo> strange. program run and stopped
[13:53] <DJAnonimo> maybe need to add & ?
[13:53] <ppf> akik: yeah, i know udev
[13:53] <DJAnonimo> sudo -Hu orangepi liquidsoap /etc/liquidsoap/radio.liq &
[13:53] <zomaar> Oh yes haha
[13:53] <zomaar> That would be smart
[13:53] <zomaar> -iu is better
[13:55] <ppf> akik: so you're sugginst monitoring that file in the user session?
[13:55] <akik> ppf: i think you wanted to run commands when you plug in a usb keyboard
[13:55] <DJAnonimo> zomaar: rebooting with -iu and & at the end of the line
[13:55] <zomaar> pff You can just run a command with sudo -u user
[13:55] <ppf> akik: i do
[13:55] <zomaar> Or sudo -iu user
[13:57] <DJAnonimo> alsa problems: Thread "input.alsa_8637" aborts with exception Alsa error: Device or resource busy!
[13:59] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: There could be some pulseaudio problems...
[13:59] <DJAnonimo> maybe it runs liquidsoap before alsa drivers?
[13:59] <zomaar> That's also possible
[14:00] <zomaar> But normally rc.local really runs last
[14:00] <DJAnonimo> i'm trying with 5 seconds delay
[14:01] <DJAnonimo> maybe removing pulseaudio and installing again would help...
[14:02] <ppf> akik: the difficulty is how to run programs _within_ the active user session
[14:03] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: ALSA only runs alsactl restore, which loads stuff like mixer settings
[14:03] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: unlikely
[14:04] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: What happens if you never log in as user and execute this from a root login?
[14:04] <zomaar> You will need to give root a password with "sudo passwd <....>"
[14:04] <akik> ppf: i think i have a solution for you
[14:05] <ppf> akik: oh?
[14:05] <zomaar> ppf: That would require .Xauthority likely
[14:05] <akik> ppf: for example: this is for running apps from virtual console to xorg: from console to xorg: env DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/home/USERNAME/.Xauthority dconf
[14:05] <zomaar> ppf: And current DISPLAY
[14:06] <ppf> only thing i came up with so far is a two-step thing: have an udev rule watch for the keyboard events, and send a message to dbus. and have a user application within the session watch the dbus
[14:06] <zomaar> (that's why I asked about monitor events ;-))
[14:06] <DJAnonimo> zomaar: for some reason I cant login directy to root... im connecting over SSH
[14:06] <DJAnonimo> I can be root just with su command
[14:06] <zomaar> Oh yeah of course
[14:06] <zomaar> Sorry
[14:07] <zomaar> Root login is denied in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[14:07] <ppf> akik: i believe i need additional environment settings, such as the dbus connection
[14:07] <zomaar> Pulseaudio is a daemon that only starts with a user
[14:08] <DJAnonimo> PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
[14:08] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: PermitRootLogin
[14:08] <DJAnonimo> this
[14:08] <DJAnonimo> yea...
[14:08] <zomaar> You can change it to "yes" I think
[14:08] <DJAnonimo> comment it?
[14:08] <DJAnonimo> oh
[14:09] <zomaar> You may need to restart sshd
[14:10] <zomaar> sudo systemctl restart sshd
[14:10] <zomaar> When pulseaudio is present it is set to be the default sink
[14:10] <zomaar> This happens upon every invocation
[14:10] <DJAnonimo> already rebooted :D
[14:10] <DJAnonimo> now i'm in with root
[14:11] <DJAnonimo> sudo -Hu orangepi liquidsoap /etc/liquidsoap/radio.liq
[14:11] <DJAnonimo> first try failed
[14:11] <DJAnonimo> second worked
[14:11] <zomaar> That tends to be a pulseaudio thing... :-/
[14:12] <BluesKaj> sometimes pulseaudio gets in the way
[14:12] <zomaar> You can also do without pulseaudio since this is a non-graphical system anyway
[14:13] <zomaar> You can uninstall it or temporarily mess with /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.d/pulse.conf
[14:14] <zomaar> To make sure the default sink is no longer "pulse"
[14:15] <zomaar> Then ideally you create a /home/orangepi/.asoundrc
[14:15] <BluesKaj> especially if you have intel audio (snd-hda-intel) then it can run directly with alsa, even in browsers with flash
[14:15] <DJAnonimo> really strange, as I see in PACKAGES file I dindnt compiled liquidsoap with pulseaudio
[14:15] <zomaar> Or you just pick the device via your config
[14:15] <zomaar> No ALSA is configured to use pulse
[14:15] <p00pface> hey folks
[14:15] <DJAnonimo> oh
[14:15] <p00pface> I've been working to install and use Dolibarr and I've uninstalled the software in order to reinstall and start fresh
[14:16] <DJAnonimo> apt-get remove pulseaudio ?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> pulse configure to use alsa is mor elike it
[14:16] <zomaar> There is a directive in a alsa pulse file that says pcm.!default = pulse or something
[14:16] <p00pface> and I dug myself into a shithold of errors/dependencies
[14:16] <p00pface> how do I clean the system... ?
[14:16] <zomaar> DJAnonimo: You could try that
[14:16] <zomaar> But don't proceed if it removes too much
[14:16] <oerheks> p00pface, toiletpaper & chlorine?
[14:18] <xdije> hi
[14:18] <BluesKaj> DJAnonimo, you can always reinstall pulseaudio and pavucontrol if needed , but you probly need to purge pulseaudio and pulseaudio utils to work directly with alsa
[14:18] <xdije> how can i check installed package content, i used to use rpm -ql packagename under redhat
[14:18] <DJAnonimo> i've removed puseaudio
[14:19] <BluesKaj> removing still won't take it out of the loop
[14:19] <zomaar> Yes it will
[14:20] <zomaar> It would have removed the culprit /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf
[14:20]  * BluesKaj shrugs ... purging is best, but be my guest
[14:20] <zomaar> xdije: dpkg -L
[14:20] <zomaar> xdije: dpkg-deb -c
[14:20] <zomaar> BluesKaj: You are right
[14:21] <xdije> i found it, it was dpkg --listfiles packagename
[14:21] <DJAnonimo> zomaar: application started
[14:21] <DJAnonimo> I will do few reboots to see if it will fail sometimes
[14:21] <xdije> zomaar, it is the same as -L ,,Thanks
[14:21] <zomaar> BluesKaj: (but in /usr/share it's not a conffile luckily)
[14:22] <zomaar> I always forget to purge
[14:22] <zomaar> It's a bit counterintuitive to me
[14:24] <BluesKaj> zomaar, in my experience it's best to rid the system of pulseaudio period by purging. one can always reinstall if it doesn't work
[14:25] <zomaar> Yes and my systems are generally full of unpurged but removed packages
[14:26] <zomaar> (The less Lennart Poettering software on my system, the better I am off)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> zomaar, my sentiments exactly :-)
[14:30] <zomaar> It's not even about the guy, it's just about the software, but anyway
[14:30] <alkisg> Personally I think the exact opposite, let's hopefully systemd takes over most system processes
[14:31] <alkisg> All that diversity just for the sake of it is very frustrating
[14:31] <zomaar> I had to gain control of ALSA because of a crashing 32-bit pulse library
[14:31] <alkisg> You want to do a simple program and you need to support it in 12345 different distros, 12345 DEs, 12345 different init systems etc
[14:31] <zomaar> And even though it should work my entire sound system is in shambles
[14:31] <alkisg> No wonder companies don't want to program for linux
[14:32] <zomaar> Every time I want to play something in Clementine I have to start it twice because the first time the pulseaudio daemon bugs out
[14:33] <BluesKaj> zomaar, linux needs unified audio suite, it's chaos atm
[14:33] <zomaar> I have set pulse to directly use the alsa default, and the alsa default directly uses a device
[14:34] <zomaar> This is enough to break the entire KDE phonon system
[14:35] <zomaar> I've set it up this way so that ALSA uses a dmix device, which means that pulse and other types of software can use the same device
[14:35] <zomaar> concurrently
[14:35] <zomaar> But KDE switches pulse to something other than what I have configured
[14:36] <zomaar> So after start I have to kill pulseaudio with pulseaudio -k
[14:36] <zomaar> Then it restarts, but the phonon thing is completely broken then
[14:37] <akik> zomaar: i'm using plasma 5 with pulseaudio and it seems to work fine
[14:37] <BluesKaj> I have to use pulseaudio with my m-audio soundcard if I want audio to work in browsers (flashaudio) mostly, otherwise I would purge pulse and b=never use it.
[14:39] <zomaar> The problem in Linux is often that the default system works fine until you want to tweak 1% of it
[14:39] <DJAnonimo> looks like its working good
[14:39] <zomaar> Nice, thank you
[14:40] <DJAnonimo> good work :)
[14:40] <zomaar> But Lennart always has this approach "I control the master switch"
[14:40] <zomaar> (Even though mine is just a plugin)
[14:41] <zomaar> I started raving and cursing when Debian put his mdns_minimal after dns
[14:41] <zomaar> He*
[14:42] <BluesKaj> when HTML5 is finally universally adopted then I can say goodbye to pulse
[14:42] <zomaar> Demanding that they changed his trademarked libnss_mdns name to something else
[14:43] <zomaar> Right
[14:43] <zomaar> I actually wrote a libnss_dns_local that can use libnss_dns when a local SOA is found
[14:44] <zomaar> To put it in front of libnss_mdns_minimal
[14:46] <zomaar> I am using SqueezePlay
[14:46] <zomaar> Which is older 32-bit program
[14:46] <zomaar> That crashes on pulse library for alsa
[14:46] <DJAnonimo> I just attached an USB audio device but its not found in alsa mixer
[14:47] <DJAnonimo> lsusb gives: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio Controller
[14:47] <DJAnonimo> on my laptop running ubuntu detect without problems... on the orange pi there is no device installed
[14:48] <DJAnonimo> aplay -l
[14:48] <DJAnonimo> https://pastebin.com/Y9HCpanh
[14:48] <zomaar> So if you type amixer controls it's not there
[14:48] <DJAnonimo> which could be the reason ? Both OS are 16.04
[14:48] <Firewave> hello
[14:49] <zomaar> Both 64-bit or 32-bit?
[14:49] <DJAnonimo> zomaar:  amixer -c 0 and  amixer -c 1 give output
[14:50] <DJAnonimo> its a builtin HDMI and a local mix
[14:50] <DJAnonimo> local mix
[14:50] <DJAnonimo> damn, local mic X)
[14:50] <leeyaa> hi
[14:50] <leeyaa> does anyone know how the heck to setup nut on xenial ?
[14:50] <leeyaa> i cant figure it out
[14:50] <DJAnonimo> arm64 arch is the orange pi
[14:50] <leeyaa> trying to setup my aeg ups
[14:50] <Firewave> I am looking into a potential issue regarding Qt/xcb
[14:51] <Firewave> on 16.04
[14:52] <leeyaa> there used to be /etc/init.d/nut
[14:52] <zomaar> But you don't want to use 0 and 1
[14:52] <DJAnonimo> yea
[14:52] <DJAnonimo> how to add this device... pis a cheap plug n play card
[14:53] <zomaar> https://learn.adafruit.com/usb-audio-cards-with-a-raspberry-pi/cm108-type
[14:55] <DJAnonimo> its Raspbian... I have ubuntu...
[14:56] <zomaar> Idk I just think looking at other people's experiences is the best approach now
[14:56] <DJAnonimo> I can try to upgrade
[14:57] <DJAnonimo> doing upgrade
[14:58] <zomaar> Just google okay, cause i can't.
[14:59] <DJAnonimo> yes. I will try with google and youtube
[15:00] <Firewave> QXcbKeyboard::updateKeymap() calls xkb_x11_keymap_new_from_device() which ultimately seems to result into an out-of-bounds read in get_atom_name() in the x11 code when reading the xcb reply
[15:00] <Firewave> the weird thing is, that the same code was just working about a week ago
[15:01] <Firewave> it looks like t might be related to some additional locales I installed
[15:01] <anddam> hello
[15:02] <anddam> once I add ppa:mercurial-ppa/releases is there a way I can switch between repo's and PPA mercurial package without adding and removing the PPA?
[15:19] <yeats> anddam: nope - but why would you want to?
[15:23] <anddam> yeats: I switched my config to newer mercurial (some extension got builtin since 3.7) but vscode's Hg extension breaks with 4.4, for whatever reason
[15:23] <oerheks> yeats, anddam could perform pinning, though?
[15:23] <oerheks> !pinning
[15:24] <anddam> and it's not even reproducible, that is sometimes vscode works fine with 4.4, sometime its source control paanel gets blank
[15:24] <anddam> with 3.7 it Just Works (tm)
[15:24] <anddam> I have a switching script that goes through add-apt-repository add/remove, update and then install
[15:25] <anddam> but I figure if there was local caching and a way to select the version it'd be way easier
[15:25] <anddam> s/easier/quicker
[15:28] <oerheks> anddam, ot sure what you are doing: how many times do you need to install mercurial?
[15:28] <oerheks> c/not
[15:29] <Joel> 16.04 - Pigdin - The menu bar is missing, I've renamed .purple to .purple.back, and restarted, still missing. I'm not using unity, thoughts on why the menu bar is missing from this app?
[15:30] <Joel> initctl restart unity-panel-service - fixed it, even though I'm not using unity
[15:30] <Joel> very odd
[15:34] <anddam> oerheks: just the one, my issue is vscode at times won't like the upgraded version
[15:35] <oerheks> anddam,  then don' t use the upgraded ppa? i don' t get this issue
[15:36] <angelo_> eset
[15:40] <Teabo> I wrote about light)))
[15:42] <zomaar> ubottu, why was libpng12-0 removed from ubuntu?
[15:42] <zomaar> ubottu, why was libpng12-0 removed from yakkety?
[15:43] <zomaar> ubottu, why is libpng12-0 not in yakkety?
[15:46] <oerheks> because  superseded by libpng1.6; Debian bug #822318; LP: #1595485 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/amd64/libpng12-0
[15:46] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/libpng
[15:46] <zomaar> I want a bot like that :)
[15:47] <zomaar> But thank you honey
[15:52] <trucnguyen> hello?
[15:52] <oerheks> :-)
[15:53] <Teabo> helloall?)
[15:53] <zomaar> she smiles
[15:54] <zomaar> :)
[15:54] <zomaar> Hi
[15:57] <Teabo> are you about sun or moon?)))
[15:57] <zomaar> Moon
[16:00] <tyamur> hi all
[16:06] <beograd> i am using ubuntu server 17.10, fresh install, dont know what kill my process.. what to check..
[16:07] <blackflow> beograd: journalctl -p err  for starters.
[16:09] <beograd> blackflow nothing there..
[16:09] <blackflow> beograd: so what's the actual problem?
[16:10] <oerheks> beograd, what process exactly?
[16:11] <beograd> psybnc
[16:12] <oerheks> sure journalctl should say something..
[16:15] <beograd> oerheks https://pastebin.com/gaLGAx6P
[16:16] <blackflow> beograd: is that from journalctl -p err ?   If that doesn't show you any relevant info, try without -p. If that's a service or there's a unit file for it, try -u <servicename>  (replace <servicename> with actual service name)
[16:16] <oerheks> gloria kernel ?
[16:16] <beograd> yeah
[16:16] <blackflow> but really, just start from the beginning and explain what's going on. which process (you say psybnc), and what exactly is happening to it, what's the symptom.
[16:17] <oerheks> that is mint, no ?
[16:17] <beograd> mint?
[16:17] <blackflow> oerheks: "gloria" is the hostname :)
[16:17] <blackflow> "kernel" is the channel for the log
[16:17] <Teabo> mint+plasmashell)
[16:17] <Teabo> I like it)
[16:20] <Borw3> shell means desktop environment?
[16:21] <Teabo> you are right
[16:21] <Borw3> so XFCE shell? is right?
[16:22] <Teabo> It is very comfortable to use hotkeys
[16:22] <Teabo> for only 1 window)
[16:23] <Teabo> I think that you must/have about people, not money.
[16:23] <Teabo> m/h care
[16:24] <dil>  hello
[16:24] <dil>   seeking assistane with instaling a Ricoh IS450 scanner but cannot locate how to install scsci driver to use with sane
[16:24] <lordcirth_work> Borw3, XFCE is a shell, though usually people would call it more specifically a DE.  A terminal is also a kind of shell, and is usually what people mean.
[16:24] <Teabo> delete dil ))))
[16:24] <dil> huh?
[16:25] <Teabo> i dont understand huh
[16:25] <saberu> can someone help me get chrooted ftp login working? I'm getting this error ill paste it here
[16:26] <alkisg> dil: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man5/sane-hs2p.5.html ==> you should already have that installed, right?
[16:27] <nyk> yyu
[16:27] <dil> alkisg,: yes
[16:27] <nyk> how to hack in wi fi
[16:27] <alkisg> dil: what's the output of `sudo sane-find-scanner`, of course with your scanner connected and powered on?
[16:28] <alkisg> nyk: this is for ubuntu support, go to #hacking for hacking
[16:28] <oerheks> Teabo, please stop the funny comments, this is ubuntu support only
[16:28] <Teabo> inshuldigen)
[16:28] <Borw3> LOL
[16:28] <dil> alkisg: only usb it has a kofax scsi crad
[16:29] <Borw3> I wonder, is it possible to get banned in an IRC?
[16:29] <rud0lf> Borw3: banned from irc server? sure
[16:29] <alkisg> dil: so that command shows nothing?
[16:30] <dil> alkisg:just USB devices as well a 3 lines of pipr error
[16:31] <dil> pipe error
[16:32] <alkisg> dil: so you think the problem is that there are no drivers for your scsi card, and it's not a problem with the scanner drivers?
[16:33] <dil> well the documentation for sane say its supported, so i am assuminig its a scsi driver issue
[16:33] <alkisg> Is this a pci card? What's the pci id?
[16:33] <dil> it is pci
[16:34] <alkisg> lspci -nn -k should tell you about the id and the driver, if any
[16:34] <dil> 01:06.0 Scanner controller: Kofax Image Products Device 0000
[16:35] <alkisg> The pci id is a number like 1234:5678
[16:35] <alkisg> And the driver would be under that
[16:35] <alkisg> If you use pastebin, it'll be easier
[16:35] <alkisg> lspci -nn -k | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:36] <dil> 01:06.0 Scanner controller [0903]: Kofax Image Products Device [1296:0000]
[16:38] <alkisg> I don't see any such device in /lib/modules
[16:38] <alkisg> So it's probably not supported
[16:38] <dil> thank you
[16:38] <alkisg> np
[16:40] <mustmodify> At some point in the past, someone said I should `apt purge --auto-remove` every few months. Why doesn't this automatically happen?
[16:41] <alkisg> mustmodify: because people may want their configs not purged
[16:41] <alkisg> Or they may have removed a package but not want its dependencies autoremoved
[16:41] <mustmodify> configs? I thought it was just getting rid of old kernels no longer being used?
[16:41] <alkisg> That's why you're supposed to run it, see if you need anything, and if not, then use it
[16:42] <mustmodify> I see.
[16:42] <mustmodify> Ah, it was you who said that. :P
[16:42] <alkisg> Maybe, I've said it a few times, but not recently
[16:43] <mustmodify> Yes, it was a few months ago.
[16:43] <mustmodify> ok thanks.
[16:43] <alkisg> np
[16:45] <saberu> hey guys networking is completely fubar on my VPS and I now only have chroot access from a rescue image. How can i debug this?
[16:46] <blackflow> saberu: what happened?
[16:47] <B14CK-SPID3R> hi, i have a problem after upgrading ubuntu 16.04 to 17.04. it shows "no symbol table. press any key to continue" in grub. and it stuck at login page. ( mouse/keyboard doesn't work )
[16:47] <B14CK-SPID3R> can you please help me to solve it?
[16:48] <saberu> blackflow, I suspect it's been hacked. I was trying to setup a chroot ftp account and I was following this guide which told me to use this command that was some kind of node symantic link files and put them in the directory, like tty, zero etc
[16:48] <saberu> but tty is like a shell isn't it
[16:48] <saberu> and that directory was also the website root
[16:48] <blackflow> saberu: "node symantic link files" -- the what now?
[16:48] <rud0lf> symbolic maybe?
[16:50] <beograd> so any hints guys.. why does it blocks process :(
[16:50] <saberu> mknod -m 666 tty c 5 0 and some other mknod commands for zero, random and null
[16:50] <saberu> is it possible that caused a vulnerability?
[16:50] <blackflow> beograd: what is "it"? you never answered any of the follow up questions.
[16:51] <saberu> or perhaps those commands messed up the vps completely :(
[16:53] <beograd> i send you pastebin
[16:53] <beograd> link
[16:53] <B14CK-SPID3R> can anyone help me please?
[16:55] <blackflow> beograd: no, sorry, I have msgs blocked.
[16:55] <saberu> Ohhh the VPS is working now but I can't login via SSH
[16:55] <oerheks> B14CK-SPID3R, login with ctrl alt F2, then run sudo update-grub, and boot again, but i think it will come back https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1633839
[16:55] <beograd> https://pastebin.com/gaLGAx6P
[16:56] <saberu> User not allowed to login because none of user's groups are listed in AllowGroups
[16:56] <B14CK-SPID3R> oerheks: i tried it but after press key to continue, nothing works. i couldn't spawn a tty!
[16:56] <blackflow> beograd: yes, you've posted that already. and the question was, is this from journalctl -p err? If so, try without -p, or if it's a service, try journalctl -u <servicename>  (replacing <servicename> with actual service name)
[16:56] <saberu> so I just need to add the user to AllowGroups in the sshd_config and anything else?
[16:56] <Borw3> LOL, isn't 16.10 EOL
[16:57] <blackflow> saberu: yes, if you have any AllowGroups and/or AllowUsers directives, you must specify them then.
[16:57] <blackflow> saberu: note that root is blocked too unless explicitly listed there.
[16:58] <saberu> yeah it's fixed now, I actually caused this problem when I was trying to add a chrooted ftp user yesterday, unsuccessfully
[16:58] <blackflow> saberu: so you're actually talking about SFTP (ssh FTP), not FTP?
[16:59] <saberu> sftp yes
[16:59] <blackflow> iirc you don't need to mknod anything for that. the only requirement is that home dir is owned by root and not world accessible.
[16:59] <blackflow> if you want to LOG sftp actions, though, you need to put a syslog socket soemwhere in the chroot, yes.
[17:00] <saberu> : fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/srv/"
[17:00] <B14CK-SPID3R> oerheks: furthermore i try recovery mode, and choose update grab option and fix broken packages. but nothing changed !
[17:00] <saberu> modes on /srv are drwxrwxrwx  4 root   root
[17:00] <blackflow> saberu: the chroot home dir has to be    owned by root:<user_group> and have 750 perms.
[17:01] <saberu> does the chrooted user need to be in the same user group?
[17:01] <blackflow> so if <someuser>'s home is /srv/someuser, that has to be root:someuser and 750
[17:01] <saberu> ahh ill try that thanks
[17:02] <blackflow> saberu: that also means the user can't write directly into their home dir. you'll need to pre-create username:username owned subdirectories there.
[17:02] <saberu> yeh i see
[17:02] <blackflow> like a ~/public_html or whatever.
[17:03] <saberu> so I need something like chgrp root:user_group /srv ?
[17:04] <saberu> oh it's chown nm
[17:04] <oerheks> B14CK-SPID3R, not sure what is going on, it seems a long term issue, did you run ubuntu 16.04 beta before? this bugreport claims grub2 buld with binutils 2.27 is the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1620678
[17:05] <oerheks> boot from a live 17.10,  and reinstall grub perhaps?
[17:05] <rainbow> hello
[17:06] <B14CK-SPID3R> oerheks : i run ubuntu 16.04 LTS before.
[17:06] <ubuntu_addict> Hi
[17:06] <Guest98145> if i want to use opencv or linux  himself ? should i use eclipse
[17:06] <alkisg> (06:47:01 μμ) B14CK-SPID3R: hi, i have a problem after upgrading ubuntu 16.04 to 17.04. ==> this isn't possible, unless you first upgraded to 16.10 and THEN to 17.04
[17:07] <ubuntu_addict> i got a problem. since few days, my pc turn onto hibernate without reason. i want to turn it off but i didnt find anything about into settings and i even try to changer it with few apps, without sucess. can anyone help me ?
[17:08] <B14CK-SPID3R> alkisg : i use update-manager. it prompts that do you want to upgrade to 17.04 .. and it didn't show me anything about ubuntu 16.10
[17:08] <saberu> thanks for your help btw blackflow
[17:09] <blackflow> saberu: yw
[17:09] <alkisg> B14CK-SPID3R: anyway, 17.04 is unsupported as well...
[17:10] <B14CK-SPID3R> OMG :( so i have to reinstall it again?
[17:10] <alkisg> B14CK-SPID3R: install 17.10 and select to keep your documents
[17:10] <alkisg> B14CK-SPID3R: yes, 16.04 was supported, you shouldn't have updated it
[17:10] <ubuntu_addict> i got a problem. since few days, my pc turn onto hibernate without reason. i want to turn it off but i didnt find anything about into settings and i even try to changer it with few apps, without sucess. can anyone help me ?
[17:11] <B14CK-SPID3R> alkisg: ok, no way :( Thank you
[17:11] <alkisg> np
[17:12] <oerheks> B14CK-SPID3R, make sure you reinstall grub, that is the main issue
[17:12] <oerheks> oh
[17:16] <blackflow> alkisg: couldn't they just have used the EOL upgrade procedure?
[17:18] <oerheks> if he could loging, he could upgrade again i guess
[17:18] <oerheks> c/log in
[17:28] <alkisg> blackflow: afaik he installed 16.04 2 days ago
[17:28] <saberu> I'm getting forbidden errors with apache2 after I changed the permissions on the files/directories, any idea how I can fix it?
[17:28] <saberu> I've tried the recommendations i found from searching like chmod 750 directories, 755 files etc
[17:28] <alkisg> blackflow: and I really doubt he upgraded from 16.04 to 17.04
[17:28] <alkisg> (in one step)
[17:29] <saberu> i set chown www-data:sftp so the www-data user owns and sftp group also
[17:31] <blackflow> saberu: no, the sftp chroot has to be owned by root:<usergroup>. You then have to put www-data user in each user's group. I suppose you could make a shared group, and put www-data into only that one additional group, but I wouldn't advise it.
[17:31] <blackflow> saberu: that assumes www-data only has to read stuff from those dirs.
[17:32] <saberu> access to /toofaced/main.html denied (filesystem path '/srv/sites') because search permissions are missing on a component of the path
[17:32] <hosein> Hi, It's been a month I haven't received any new updates
[17:32] <saberu> this is the error in the apache2 log
[17:32] <hosein> apt gives me no error
[17:32] <hosein> any idea what's going on?
[17:33] <alkisg> hosein: what's the output of `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`?
[17:33] <blackflow> saberu: all the elements paths have to be readable by www-data.
[17:33] <alkisg> Put ALL of it to pastebin
[17:33] <blackflow> saberu: elements of the path
[17:34] <hosein> alkisg, https://paste.unixcorn.org/?ffd6d36501abdbf0#yqaTmNyxqTNO276IBtkELso579Sy8/z8tV5CXJINv/s=
[17:34] <blackflow> saberu: so let's say /srv is root:root 755, /srv/sites is too. /srv/sites/somesite.com is root:somesite 750.   www-data has to be in group somesite.   usermod -a -G somesite www-data.   FOR EXAMPLE.
[17:35] <saberu> ahh i see
[17:35] <saberu> i can add www-data to sftp user group
[17:35] <blackflow> (you'll have to restart the apache service after that (or a similar) usermod)
[17:35] <blackflow> saberu: yes, but then somesite.com would have to be root:sftp  not root:somesite
[17:35] <saberu> yep it is i think
[17:35] <blackflow> saberu: just because user and www-data are in a shared group, doesn't mean www-data has access to paths owned by groups the user is in, but www-data isn't
[17:35] <alkisg> hosein: and the output of `tail -n 50 /var/log/apt/history.log`
[17:36] <blackflow> saberu: but that defeats the purpose of chroot
[17:36] <zomaar> Doesn't saberu mean sitting?
[17:37] <blackflow> saberu: technically, sftp chroot ensures that / is in that path, so you can't `cd ..` out of it. I still wouldn't trust it, if the group was shared. And frankly, I don't even know if OpenSSH would allow that.
[17:37] <hosein> alkisg, https://paste.unixcorn.org/?1768d7f1b3fe85ee#YdxMwkrFNRZ1VF7BpeMBsO+tHd3S5SxcFlYdFFNlgOg=
[17:38] <saberu> interesting i'll see if my sftp client can cd .. out of it
[17:39] <alkisg> hosein: as you can see, you do have updates
[17:40] <blackflow> saberu: shouldn't be able to, if properly set up. but the part I don't know is if OpenSSH would allow root:sftp instead of root:user ownership on the chroot dir.
[17:40] <hosein> alkisg, How can I install and download them then? apt upgrade and even dist-upgrade don't do much
[17:41] <saberu> your right it doesnt
[17:41] <grimguy> hi is it normal for adobe flash to be the first thing that wants to update after a new installation of ubuntu
[17:41] <saberu> ill have to put the web root as a subdir of the chroot
[17:42] <grimguy> just really unusual
[17:42] <kostkon> grimguy, quite normal
[17:42] <blackflow> saberu: www-data still won't be able to penetrate that 750 on root:someuser owned parent dir, if www-data is NOT in someuser group
[17:43] <grimguy> hmm interesting kostkon, um can i ask have there been any bugs since the meltdown, spectre update ?
[17:43] <kostkon> grimguy, regarding flash?
[17:43] <grimguy> regarding, dropbox, chrome and firefox
[17:43] <blackflow> saberu: you could whip up a simple script that creates new user, sets perms on home dir, and adds www-data to that group, and use it to add website users instead of useradd directly.
[17:43] <kostkon> grimguy, lots, especially firefox and the kernel
[17:44] <grimguy> ok so i should expect that np :) ty kostkon
[17:44] <kostkon> grimguy, np
[17:45] <raidghost> WHY is it not OKEY to make raid 6 with 5 8TB drives where 2 of 8TB is spare ?
[17:45] <saberu> blackflow,  that's a good idea. luckily I'm not having to add more users yet. But I'll keep that in mind!
[17:49] <lordcirth_work> raidghost, do you mean 5 drives in raid6 and 2 spare, or 5 total, 2 of which are spare?  Because the latter won't work
[17:51] <lordcirth_work> raidghost, also, consider using ZFS with raidz3
[17:52] <hosein> alkisg ?
[17:53] <alkisg> hosein: sorry i'm afk for a while, but you do receive updates normally, no need to do something
[17:54] <saberu> blackflow: I did the subdirectory stuff and I can login now on sftp but I get 'permission denied' on the / root directory
[17:54] <hosein> alkisg, okay thank you very much!
[17:54] <saberu> for chown i used root:user
[17:55] <saberu> fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/srv/sites/somesite" error is like that
[17:55] <Southern_Gentlem> ok stupid question if i wanted to list every package installed in my computer how should i do that
[17:56] <saberu> oh it has to be the usergroup sftp again sorry xD
[17:56] <saberu> so i just need to remove www-data from the sftp group
[17:56] <Southern_Gentlem> of course i want to send it to a txt file
[17:57] <blackflow> saberu: I suppose so, I don't have a clear picture of how you've set it up there.
[17:59] <kostkon> Southern_Gentlem, https://askubuntu.com/a/17829/
[18:05] <Southern_Gentlem> kostkon, thanks
[18:05] <saberu> blackflow, I'm able to login with the user but I can't add any files or directories :(
[18:05] <daddy0> tried installing ubuntu 16.04.3 onto couple of different pcs... after installing updates and nvidia drivers, i get login loop
[18:05] <daddy0> help!
[18:07] <alkisg> daddy0: you see the login page, and then you type username/password, and it goes back to login page?
[18:07] <saberu> I think i set chown for the publichtml directory as www-data:sftp
[18:07] <saberu> so I thought any user in the SFTP group should have write access?
[18:07] <saberu> i guess chmod problem i have to make chmod give write access to group user
[18:09] <saberu> yay worked
[18:09] <saberu> chmod g+w command :)
[18:10] <blackflow> saberu: yes, but I wouldn't do that. files created by the user will be user owned and you'l quickly end up with a permission/ownership mess.
[18:10] <blackflow> it's simple really. /srv/sites/somesite.com/public_html, mkay?    /(root:root:755)/(root:root:755)/(root:user:750)/user:user:750-or-755)   with www-data in 'user' group.
[18:11] <saberu> Ahhhhh it all makes sense now thanks
[18:11] <blackflow> anything else will lead to a messs when user, whose primary group is "user" creates a file under public_html. You'll expect user:sftp owned file but it'll be user:user owned one. And if the user in some way uploads a 750 chmodded file, www-data won't read it.
[18:12] <saberu> i see
[18:12] <blackflow> which can easily happen if the said user uses linux on their computer and there's a file with 640 permission, which is transported directly via sftp into a 640 file on the server.
[18:12] <blackflow> (640, not 750 file, 750 is for dirs)
[18:13] <blackflow> you can put users in sftp group to make the sshd_config AllowGroups simple.
[18:13] <blackflow> but that's all the group is for.
[18:13] <saberu> i see
[18:15] <jimb_> alkisg: daddy0: I had problems with the amdgpu-pro installer failing and leaving APT broken. I was experiencing the behavior of logging into the GUI, only for it to chime and greet me with the login again. I was able to CTRL-ALT-5 to regain console access. I wound up doing 'dpkg --force-all -P ' the new amdgpu-pro packages almost one by one, then the new ones and then re-installing.
[18:16] <Anthaas> Question: Why would I snap install over apt install?
[18:17] <blackflow> Anthaas: because snaps are pre-made little containers that contain everything needed for the app to run, without messing with the system and having a dependency hell, plus it's somewhat isolated and armored security-wise?
[18:17] <Anthaas> So the preference is snap everything if possible?
[18:17] <saberu> blackflow, apache2 forbidden again :(
[18:18] <kostkon> Anthaas, and generally more up-to-date than apt packages
[18:18] <kostkon> Anthaas, something along those lines
[18:19] <blackflow> Anthaas: depends on the vendor. One can easily do broken/crap snaps and make the hell of it. But in general, yes. Properly done and maintained snaps are better in terms of isolating that software from the rest of the system. So one can install latest and greatest something without needing to upgrade halfa system to bring up the shares libs to required versions.
[18:19] <blackflow> saberu: did you restart apache after adding to users group?
[18:19] <saberu> blackflow, I added www-data to the user group and the publichtml directory is user:user so I don't know the problem?:
[18:19] <saberu> ofcourse
[18:20] <blackflow> saberu: can you pastebin the entire path, and ls all the elements up to it? also add `id www-data` and `id user`  (whichever the user is), to that paste
[18:20] <blackflow> saberu: ls -al
[18:22] <saberu> https://pastebin.com/XGm1Cecb
[18:23] <saberu> Ohhh
[18:23] <saberu> I know the problem
[18:23] <blackflow> saberu: I meant ls all the path elements. If that's under /srv/sites/somesite.com/, then ls -al  each of those. feel free to rename or remove subdirs that aren't relevant. I really want to see just the perms of entire chain from / to say index.php
[18:24] <saberu> https://pastebin.com/Q0eGypAt
[18:26] <blackflow> saberu: that's still not it. I meant    ls -l /srv && ls -l /srv/sites && ....    up to the file that's failing in apache
[18:26] <blackflow> you can remove all the subdirs that are irrelevant
[18:26] <blackflow> (from the output)
[18:29] <root__> hello
[18:29] <root__> help
[18:29] <root__> me
[18:29] <blackflow> !ask
[18:30] <root__> i need help guys
[18:30] <root__> please help me
[18:30] <Southern_Gentlem> root__, no
[18:31] <Southern_Gentlem> root__, read what ubottu posted
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[18:31] <saberu> https://pastebin.com/f4qLE0me
[18:31] <saberu> blackflow: https://pastebin.com/f4qLE0me
[18:31] <root__> how to install { Gnome tweak tool }
[18:34] <saberu> oh here - access to / denied (filesystem path '/srv/sites') because search permissions are missing on a component of the path
[18:34] <blackflow> saberu: with that setup you need www-data in BOTH sftp and airborne groups. Plus, that index.php will be unreadable to it, as it's 600 and not 640 (group readable)
[18:34] <blackflow> it = apache
[18:35] <saberu> oh right.. i see your point
[18:35] <blackflow> saberu: yes, line 5 shows root:sftp 750 dir. so apache (www-data) needs to be in sftp group to enter that.
[18:36] <blackflow> and then it needs to be in airborne group to enter publichtml and below
[18:36] <blackflow> ideally you should completely remove that sftp group from FILE/DIR ownership, use it only for AllowGroups in sshd_config.
[18:36] <saberu> but if i put it in the sftp group then ssh won't let me login via SFTP / chroot etc
[18:37] <saberu> so instead have root:airborne
[18:37] <blackflow> right, so get rid of sftp-group-owned directories
[18:37] <saberu> i mean root:user
[18:37] <blackflow> it's not visible from this which of the directories is the chroot for airborne
[18:39] <saberu> it's /srv/sites/sitename/ that one
[18:39] <ubuntu-mate> Hello everyone. I'm on Ubuntu 16.04. I applied recent system updates to get the new kernel (4.13 I think) and it worked but now my computer won't boot.  I am running a liveCD right now.  Is this a common problem?
[18:40] <blackflow> saberu: in which case frist two (/srv/sites) can be root:root owned and 755 chowned. "sitename" must be root:airborne 750. sitename/public_html can be airborne:airborne 750 or 755 doesn't matter
[18:40] <blackflow> saberu: with that you _only_ need to put www-data into group airborne. usermode -a -G airborne www-data
[18:40] <blackflow> *usermod
[18:40] <blackflow> and then if airborne is in group sftp, you can set AllowGroups sftp in sshd_config
[18:41] <blackflow> that's all. there should be no 'sftp' group on any of the files/dirs in there.
[18:41] <blackflow> that's pretty much it. sorry but I have to flee now. good luck.
[18:41] <saberu> AH00035: access to /toofaced/main.html denied (filesystem path '/srv/sites') because search permissions are missing on a component of the path
[18:42] <saberu> isn't the problem here having the wrong chmod permissions on /srv/sites?
[18:42] <blackflow> saberu: according to your last pastebin, the problem is in line 5, not 3
[18:42] <blackflow> ownership of awsm....
[18:42] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate: yes, it's common, try booting with the previous kernel (advanced options => 4.10.something)
[18:43] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate: i.e. the grub menu, advanced options there
[18:43] <blackflow> saberu: it's owned by root:sftp and chmodded 750. www-data can't see into that unless it's in the group sftp
[18:43] <blackflow> saberu: gotta go. good luck.
[18:44] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1726519
[18:44] <saberu> fixed it
[18:44] <caipiblack> Hi guy's, I am looking for a SIMPLE DHCP server, something easly to configure, just to run tests on a device [...] On windows there is OpenDHCPServer witch is good, on linux dhcpd seems to suck and isc-dhcp-server too. Is there something lighter than these ones ?
[18:44] <saberu> chown root:www-data /srv/ && chown root:www-data /srv/sites/ && chmod +x /srv/sites/somesite/ && chmod +x /srv/sites/somesite/publichtml/
[18:44] <alkisg> caipiblack: dnsmasq
[18:45] <saberu> just came up with that idea myself xD thanks
[18:45] <alkisg> caipiblack: it's dns, dhcp, proxydhcp, and tftp, all in one, very light
[18:45] <alkisg> caipiblack: you can of course use only the dhcp part if you want
[18:57] <zomaar> #1734147
[18:58] <zomaar> LP bug #1734147
[18:59] <V7> Hey all
[18:59] <V7> How to get cpu stepping ?
[18:59] <V7> lspcu gives: stepping: 2
[19:00] <V7> dmidecode -t 4 mb doesn't give any info about stepping
[19:00] <V7> cpuid gives stepping: 0x2
[19:00] <V7> So is it possible to get letter and number of stepping revision ?
[19:01] <V7> cat /proc/cpuinfo too mb doesn't give any information about stepping
[19:02] <caipiblack> Thanks
[19:06] <V7> What does Stepping 2 mean not even A1 or B1
[19:24] <IanTLopp> I'm running ubuntu mate on an Odroid XU4, but I want to run XFCE as my window manager, so I installed xubuntu-desktop
[19:24] <IanTLopp> I can't find the command to start XFCE though.
[19:24] <IanTLopp> what am I missing?
[19:25] <akik> IanTLopp: i think it's startxfce4
[19:27] <strive> IanTLopp: Are you using a display manager? (login screen)
[19:27] <IanTLopp> strive: yeah
[19:28] <strive> IanTLopp: There should be an option on your DM (display manager) where you could set your default DE (desktop environment)
[19:28] <IanTLopp> strive: fresh install of Ubuntu on this device. only option I get for login is to login.
[19:29] <strive> I think Ubuntu uses lightdm by default; is that what you're using?
[19:29] <IanTLopp> so I tried "startxfce4 --replace &" and I get the rerror "sfce4-session: Another session manager is already running"
[19:29] <IanTLopp> oh wait, sudo
[19:31] <IanTLopp> hmm. with sudo it just says "[1] 14683"
[19:32] <brainwas1> IanTLopp: xfwm4 is the window manager
[19:34] <IanTLopp> okay, that's kind of done it
[19:34] <IanTLopp> heh.
[19:38] <FrameFever> I cannot ping my ubuntu on my vmware system
[19:38] <FrameFever> I connect from windows host
[19:38] <FrameFever> with NAT connection
[19:38] <FrameFever> internet is available on the VM
[19:39] <anonymous> hi friends >)
[19:40] <ca_cabotage> hey all, anyone know of a good guide for mounting SFTP with fuse SSHFS on lubuntu 16.04?
[19:41] <ca_cabotage> FrameFever, are you sure that you networking is setup correctly on vmware?
[19:43] <FrameFever> ca_cabotage: I cannot ping the host system from the VM and I also get internet on the VM
[19:43] <FrameFever> but I cannot ping the VM from the host
[19:44] <ca_cabotage> are you on esxi?
[19:45] <q0_0p> have heard of ubuntu 17.10.1
[19:46] <q0_0p> currently using 17.10 do I need to upgrade? or no need
[19:46] <FrameFever> ca_cabotage: I am in Win10
[19:46] <ca_cabotage> is this on virtualbox?
[19:46] <FrameFever> VMware
[19:46] <FrameFever> when starting ssh service on my VM I get: Failed to start ssh.service: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files"
[19:47] <ca_cabotage> which vmware product? for example, I use vmware, the version of vmware that i use is ESXi
[19:48] <kostkon> q0_0p,   lsb_release -a    if you are up-to-date you are already using 17.10.1
[19:49] <q0_0p> @kostkon, shows Description:	Ubuntu 17.10
[19:49] <FrameFever> ca_cabotage: vmware version 10.0.4
[19:49] <q0_0p> have already done apt get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:52] <krytarik> q0_0p: Then you are already on it - there have only been new installation images created.
[19:53] <kostkon> q0_0p, they haven't updated the release it seems, looks like you are up-to-date, already patched, and bug 1734147 won't affect you anymore
[19:53] <q0_0p> cools
[19:53] <q0_0p> @kostkon, thanks
[20:10] <zomaar> Reading up on slashdot opinions of systemd... Poettering is hostile to documenting security issues in systemd apparently because he doesn't want people to know about them.
[20:10] <funabashi> hey guys how do i get this data when i login via cli ? https://i.imgur.com/aR7XChP.png
[20:10] <sononuovo24> hello
[20:10] <sononuovo24> hello, help me, I can not install some programs
[20:11] <alkisg> sononuovo24: mention specific commands and specific errors
[20:12] <sononuovo24> the problem and that does not give me errors, but I can not find the folder
[20:12] <alkisg> funabashi: seems like "landscape-sysinfo"
[20:13] <alkisg> sononuovo24: this isn't helpful at all. Copy paste the command you try and the error to pastebin
[20:13] <alkisg> !paste
[20:13] <funabashi> alkisg: i cant apt-get install that
[20:14] <alkisg> funabashi: it's a program, not a package. See the package there: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man1/landscape-sysinfo.1.html
[20:15] <alkisg> funabashi: note that it's the system managing program of canonical, so it's usually installed on enterprise managed environments or something
[20:15] <zomaar> sono is new to Linux and doesn't speak English very well
[20:15] <UbAh> too much static in the news and google searches, I am looking for up to date inifo on spectre and meltdown patches
[20:16] <alkisg> !kpti
[20:16] <zomaar> sono: What did you install and what are you looking for?
[20:16] <alkisg> !spectre
[20:16] <UbAh> patch only fixes one of the vulnerabilities
[20:17] <UbAh> variant 1 is fixed by the update but not 2 and 3
[20:20] <funabashi> anyone know any vulnerabilitiy scanner for ubuntu ?
[20:20] <zomaar> sononuovo24: What did you install and what are you looking for?
[20:20] <UbAh> git clone https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker.git
[20:21] <sononuovo24> zoomaar teamspeak and minecraft, plasma 5
[20:22] <zomaar> So do you mean that it is not in the menu?
[20:22] <sononuovo24> yes
[20:23] <UbAh> funabashi, the above git was for you
[20:23] <UbAh> if you were talking just spectre and meltdown
[20:26] <jimb_> The speed47 checker is making it's determination based on what it can discover about your system, fwiw, it's not actually attempting to use the vuln
[20:27] <sononuovo24> pastebin
[20:51] <funabashi> UbAh: thats just for those vulns. i mean more in general
[20:54] <jimb_> funabashi: Such as Trillium's MultiSploit?
[20:55] <jimb_> funabashi: There is also Metasploit - Might be more along the lines of what you are looking for.
[21:21] <Richard_Cavell> Hello everyone. After a power outage my computer won't boot. I posted it here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382612&p=13730827#post13730827 Any help is most welcome.
[21:24] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: After a power outage, 1st thing is to run a file system check/repair .
[21:25] <Richard_Cavell> I ran fsck as root
[21:25] <Richard_Cavell> Is that enough?
[21:25] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: Ouch ! while the file system was mounted ?
[21:26] <Richard_Cavell> Oh...
[21:26] <Richard_Cavell> I am able to boot from a live DVD. Is that what I should do?  And run fsck /dev/sda2?
[21:27] <lordcirth_work> fsck normally prints a warning when it's mounted, I don't see that here, though it is mounted.
[21:27] <lordcirth_work> Isn't it safe when it's mounted ro?
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: Smo yes of and only if sda2 is the root filke sustem .
[21:28] <jimb_> Is there a /dev/sda3 that is no longer functioning?
[21:28] <lordcirth_work> sda3 seems to be swap
[21:28] <Richard_Cavell> jimb_: Yeah, sda3 is swap
[21:28] <lordcirth_work> smartctl -a /dev/sda ?
[21:30] <JTech> I managed to install encrypted Xubuntu onto an SSD, but when I switched motherboards it won't boot. No error message at all. it just hangs.
[21:30] <JTech> should I just reinstall?
[21:30] <Richard_Cavell> Bashing-om: lordcirth_work jimb_ I'm going to reboot and try that.  Be back soon.
[21:31] <lordcirth_work> JTech, reinstall is probably simplest
[21:31] <JTech> alright
[21:36] <JTech> oh.... crap. I should have paid attention to how it was laid out by default.
[21:37] <JTech> oh no oh no .... I was on such a roll.
[21:39] <UbAh> alkisg, security patch for 14.04 does not seem to fix the kpi variant.  Is there a ubuntu channel which more specifically relates to this
[21:39] <JTech> do I make a primary and then put all the logical ones inside it? or do I just... well I can see the old one is really simple. it's just one after the other.
[21:40] <akik> JTech: a primary partition can not include logical partitions. they're inside an extended partition
[21:41] <Ben64> JTech: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ExtendedPartition
[21:41] <JTech> .... is there somewhere I can just copy the settings from so I don't have to spend a few hours learning about the intricacies of stuff I don't need for this?
[21:42] <lordcirth_work> JTech, what settings?  Are you dual booting?
[21:42] <JTech> ALL I HAD TO DO WAS COPY WHAT WAS ON THE SCREEN
[21:42] <Ben64> UbAh: what kernel do you have and how did you test that it does not fix it
[21:42] <JTech> the partitions for Xubuntu. and I'nm guessing also boot ....
[21:43] <dax> Ben64: already answered the second one, they used https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker . i was about to ask the first question too
[21:43] <dax> my guess would be they're on 4.10
[21:43] <JTech> the default that would go on a blank , primary drive....
[21:43] <akik> JTech: if you have the old and the new disk connected simultaneously, you can use sfdisk to copy the partition table
[21:43] <dax> (or was that a 16.04 thing, i can't keep track of HWE in my head >.>)
[21:44] <Ben64> dax: ah i didn't scroll high enough to see that
[21:44] <UbAh> used the test from https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/check-linux-server-for-spectre-meltdown-vulnerability/
[21:44] <JTech> akik, no, I deleted it. or at least.... the one I had installed on the SSD with the other motherboard. there's also the broken Xubuntu installation.
[21:44] <UbAh> Ben64, ^
[21:44] <UbAh> Ben64, 4.4.0-109-generic
[21:45] <akik> JTech: what is the problem you have creating the partition table?
[21:45] <dax> UbAh: 32bit or 64bit?
[21:45] <lordcirth_work> The Ubuntu installer is nearly automatic if you aren't dualbooting or anything like that.  Just Auto + encrypt?
[21:45] <JTech> oh wait.... ok... there's the old Debian{working}+Xubuntu{broken} on the same drive... this shows an example that looks similar to what I Deleted from the SSD... and it's just a mirror of what the partition menu for the installer shows.
[21:45] <UbAh> i686
[21:46] <JTech> akik, I don't know what to do.
[21:46] <ubuntu-mate> Hello everyone, I'm back with my problem https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382612
[21:46] <ubuntu-mate> sudo fsck /dev/sda2 reports "clean"
[21:46] <ubuntu-mate> I am presently running a Live DVD of Ubuntu
[21:47] <lordcirth_work> ubuntu-mate, and what does 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' show?
[21:47] <dax> UbAh: so 32-bit. as far as i know there are no meltdown patches either in the upstream kernel community or in Ubuntu for 32-bit linux yet
[21:47] <akik> JTech: have you tried using the xubuntu automatic installation wizard?
[21:47] <JTech> what partitions do I add and in what order? and what size. and what are they designated?
[21:47] <JTech> akik,  I can't. that's only available on the other motherboard.
[21:48] <JTech> when I don't have an existing OS on one of the HD's I'm booting the installer ISO from
[21:48] <Ben64> ubuntu-mate: pastebin the output of "sudo blkid"
[21:48] <JTech> it takes me like an hour to disassemble the whole computer to swap motherboards.
[21:48] <lordcirth_work> JTech, there is a button to overwrite everything and autoinstall.
[21:48] <UbAh> dax, I am looking for a good source on the plans for patching or if I need to port code t work with 64bit kernel
[21:48] <ubuntu-mate> lordcirth_work, https://ideone.com/IZm5Vd
[21:48] <JTech> I have to take apart the CPU heatsink. it's not the factory default one. it's a big honking beSAT
[21:49] <ubuntu-mate> Ben64, https://ideone.com/SF1wGZ
[21:49] <JTech> lordcirth_work, I already explained that's not available to me.
[21:49] <akik> JTech: if it's not a requirement, i would skip the encryption at this time if you're a new user. it just complicates things too much
[21:50] <JTech> akik, I'm ready to skip encryption. I still don't know how to set up the partitions.
[21:50] <Ben64> ubuntu-mate: how much ram do you have
[21:50] <akik> JTech: basically you only need one root file system
[21:50] <lordcirth_work> ubuntu-mate, seems fine, yet swap wouldn't mount... try disabling swap in the /etc/fstab on the hard drive?
[21:50] <akik> JTech: ubuntu creates a swap file nowadays, not a swap partition
[21:50] <ubuntu-mate> Ben64, 3 Gigs.  That's as much as this computer will take
[21:51] <ubuntu-mate> lordcirth_work, I don't know how to do that
[21:51] <Ben64> ubuntu-mate: eh thats fine, i'd say disable swap like lordcirth_work said
[21:51] <Ben64> then once you're in you can re-make swap
[21:51] <lordcirth_work> ubuntu-mate, do you have the hard drive mounted in your live cd?
[21:51] <JTech> omg when I went back it undid me erasing the SSD partition so I can see how it was set up!
[21:52] <ubuntu-mate> lordcirth_work, Right now it's unmounted
[21:52] <dax> UbAh: As far as I know there's just back and forth about it on LKML but no definite work done. I was reading about it yesterday but can't find the thread again now that I go looking for it. #ubuntu-hardened might have more info, but I note it's a smaller channel so you might need to wait around for a response.
[21:52] <lordcirth_work> ubuntu-mate, ok, so mount it read-write, then edit /<mount>/etc/fstab
[21:53] <lordcirth_work> There will be a line like this, comment it out: UUID=8c7dc8d6-75c3-4e5a-9958-3303dfc2a428 none swap    sw   0  0
[21:53] <UbAh> used to waiting when talking to dev irc dax.  Thanks
[21:54] <ubuntu-mate> lordcirth_work, Okay done
[21:54] <ubuntu-mate> lordcirth_work, Shall I reboot?
[21:54] <lordcirth_work> ubuntu-mate, yes, let's try it
[21:54] <JTech> this is really strange... oh, maybe it's because of encryption. it has /dev/sda, then "free space" 1MB. then /dev/sda1 fat32 536MB, then /dev/sda2 ext2 511MB, then /dev/sda3 [blank file type] 118984MB. then "free space" again, 0MB.
[21:54]  * ubuntu-mate is rebooting.  Be right back.
[21:55] <lordcirth_work> JTech, fat32 536MB is probably a UEFI partition, and ext2 511MB a /boot partition
[21:55] <JTech> so I should just make my SSD 1 ext4 primary partition?
[21:56] <lordcirth_work> JTech, if the motherboard is UEFI you will need that fat32 partition I think
[21:56] <JTech> how do I make a boot partition? right now the one with the boot partition needs to move aside for the new guy in town.
[21:57] <JTech> the UEFI motherboard that was involved in installing is not the one I'm using now. maybe that's why it won't boot on the other motherboard too.
[21:58] <JTech> do I just make one ext4 primary partition ... mount point / ?
[21:58] <JTech> will that give me a boot on there as well?
[21:59] <akik> JTech: you need to know if you boot in uefi mode or not. if not, then you only need the one partition for root file system
[21:59] <JTech> surely.... surely since it's installing... oh no but how would it know that I want to do that when I'm currently booting from a different boot partition?
[22:02] <JTech> grrrr. nope. it wants a swap partition. I don't MIND that it's formatting an existing swap partition, but I think it might spaz out if I disconnect the drive that it's on later. so I better explicitly give it one.
[22:03] <Ben64> you could ignore it
[22:03] <JTech> yeah well I wasn't the one who decided to format it.
[22:03] <JTech> but it included it when it saw one in existence.
[22:04] <akik> JTech: ubuntu initializes the swap partition if it finds one
[22:06] <JTech> ...... well now it wants for format both the one I created AND the existing one.
[22:06] <JTech> .... I don't know what that means.
[22:08] <JTech> do I need to leave room for the boot loader? how much? 64MB?
[22:08] <JTech> 34MB?
[22:08] <JTech> it's gotta be real small
[22:09] <akik> JTech: if you define the partition manually, make it start at sector 2048
[22:09] <akik> JTech: but i'd think the installer doesn't ask for sector numbers
[22:12] <gambl0re> my computer keeps losing its wifi connection. it never happens when im in windows. only in ubuntu
[22:19] <bray90820> Where would be a good place to get help with the ubuntu windows 10 app?
[22:20] <JTech> thanks. it booted.
[22:21] <Richard_Cavell> Hello. I'm back with my problem here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382612 I have commented out /dev/sda3 (swap) in my /etc/fstab and it has worked to disable stop but it still doesn't boot.
[22:33] <Richard_Cavell> lordcirth_work: Bashing-om Hi, I'm back.
[22:37] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: Were me in your shoes, I would - from the liveUSB- ': sudo e2fsck -C0 -p -f -v /dev/sda2 ' Any errors then follow up with ' sudo e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda2 '.
[22:38] <Richard_Cavell> If fsck was "clean" from a root login then do you think e2fsck will find anything?
[22:39] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: You gave it fsck no target, and I do not know the environment that you ran fsck in .. nor if sda2 was mounted when ran . ( that will really hose up the file system !)
[22:39] <Richard_Cavell> Bashing-om: I'll give it a go but I'm not confident this will work
[22:40] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: Failing the file system check, then next is to re-install the boot code .
[22:41] <Richard_Cavell> Bashing-om: I think I might have to do the latter
[22:41] <Richard_Cavell> But I'll reboot and give that thing a go, okay?
[22:43] <Bashing-om> ripazha: I can not proceed in my thought processes else there is a passed file system check .
[22:59] <ripazha> wat
[23:24] <lwizardl> is there any way to setup a discord like server on own hardware ?
[23:26] <RichardCavell> Hello Bashing-om
[23:26] <RichardCavell> It's me with the Ubuntu-won't-boot problem. I'm really sorry that I have lost those commands you gave me. May I ask you to repost them from the scrollback?
[23:29]  * RichardCavell was previously known as ubuntu-mate
[23:29] <Bashing-om> ripazha: sure :) ' sudo e2fsck -C0 -p -f -v /dev/sda2 ' Any errors then follow up with ' sudo e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda2 '.
[23:30] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: ^^ sitty ripazha for my bad hilights :(
[23:30] <Bashing-om> sorry**
[23:31] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: https://ideone.com/oVEtz3
[23:31] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: look'n .
[23:33] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: No errors - reboot and let's see what is .
[23:33] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: It won't boot.
[23:35] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: Yuk. from the liveUSB .. show me ' sudo fdisk -lu ' So I am sure of the target to re-install the boot code .
[23:35] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: ^ in a pastebin, please .
[23:36] <luxio> How do I check whether I'm running X right now or Wayland?
[23:36] <luxio> I don't feel like logging out
[23:37] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: https://ideone.com/P2Zg1Z
[23:37] <Bashing-om> luxio: ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' .
[23:37] <luxio> thanks Bashing-om
[23:47] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: I'm keen to reinstall boot code if you think that will help. I am presently booted into a Debian live DVD (my Ubuntu live DVD stopped working, and I also have an external hard disk with OS X)
[23:55] <Jakethepython> Hello room i am having trouble seeting up my samba server
[23:56] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: Try - from the liveUSB; ' sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/ ; sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt ; sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda ' . UNmount what we mounted: ' sudo umount /mnt/boot /mnt ' . Reboot into the install .
[23:57] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: Be aware that I have no knowledge of how OSX boots .. maybe not too grub friendly ??