[00:01] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: I got an error https://ideone.com/lAzBnd
[00:06] <ProCycle> I have an install of 14.04.4 LTS that is stuck and can't update due to an incomplete kernel update with missing dependences
[00:06] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: This a MAc system ? "mount: /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only" . Be good to get another opinion here .
[00:07] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: It's an iMac, yes.
[00:08] <ProCycle> I can't install the missing dependencies because the install breaks due to not enough disk space, even though df -h reports several gigabytes free
[00:08] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: The best guy to ask is Branes on #macosx but I can't talk there as I'm logged in as guest
[00:09] <allizom> RichardCavell: what's up?
[00:09] <ProCycle> It doesn't seem I have a separate /boot partiton that is full
[00:10] <RichardCavell> allizom: Hi. I have an iMac on which I have installed Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit. But the power was suddenly turned off while Ubuntu was running and now it won't boot at all.
[00:11] <allizom> did you only have Ubuntu installed on the internal HDD?
[00:11] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: Let's get some other advise . Macs rEFIt boot ??
[00:12] <RichardCavell> allizom: correct
[00:12] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: I have not installed refit
[00:12] <ProCycle> https://pastebin.com/nQx6cgmj
[00:13] <allizom> RichardCavell: and, can you successfully boot something else from DVD/USB drive?
[00:13] <ProCycle> Not sure how to fix this besides rolling a new server
[00:13] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: Sorry, I am not qualified to advise about a Mac .
[00:13] <RichardCavell> allizom: Yes, I am currently on a Debian live DVD
[00:13] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om: I understand your reluctance to advise further. I'll get advice from that guy
[00:15] <allizom> RichardCavell: what do you see when booting the computer (without selecting any other drive)?
[00:16] <RichardCavell> allizom: Take a look here https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0s5Iy2hCP4Fv7
[00:17] <allizom> sorry, that's not working for me
[00:17] <Bashing-om> ProCycle: "148 not upgraded." . show us in a pastebin ' df -h ; df -i ' .
[00:17] <allizom> just use a sane image sharing host please
[00:18] <ProCycle> Ohh...
[00:18] <ProCycle> Out of inodes
[00:18] <ProCycle> https://pastebin.com/4LUuy3HT
[00:19] <RichardCavell> allizom: Try https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0s5Iy2hCP4Fv7;EB85C461-E22D-4153-937D-8A422580A1FC or https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382612
[00:19] <ProCycle> what the heck how did it run out of inodes? It's barely used
[00:20] <ProCycle> Is there any way to free up unused ones or is my best option creating a new installation?
[00:20] <Bashing-om> ProCycle: Ouch ! .. all you can do at this point is start removing a *LOT* of un-needed files .
[00:21] <ProCycle> All of the actual files are stored on sdb1
[00:21] <ProCycle> It's just OS files on sda1
[00:22] <ProCycle> Only thing I can think of is a logger run amok
[00:22] <allizom> RichardCavell: seeing your media requires to 1) enable javascript 2) register on a forum. why unnecessarily complicate things?
[00:23] <Bashing-om> ProCycle: Logging is a good possibility .. " 1240983 : is a lot of inodes !
[00:24] <ProCycle> I think I'm just gonna backup my files and wipe. This server has many other problems
[00:25] <ProCycle> Thanks for the insight, didn't know df had an option to show inode usage
[00:26] <ProCycle> ls /
[00:26] <Bashing-om> ProCycle: By far not the 1st to be bit by out of inodes :)
[00:26] <ProCycle> whoops :S
[00:54] <fishie> there used to be like a favorite applications along the bottom that would pop up when you'd move your cursor to it. did that go away in the latest version or is it just gone by default?
[00:56] <fishie> they weren't on the desktop, they were above it, above all windows. along the bottom, but starting at the left.
[00:56] <allizom> fishie: this https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2017/08/31/status-icons-and-gnome/ ?
[00:56] <fishie> yeah that's it.
[00:57] <charlesfr> I've tried to install ubuntu twice, it gets to the part where it tries to install grub and then I just get a fatal error.  How can I fix that?
[00:57] <fishie> depends on the error?
[00:57] <allizom> fishie: gone. if you want it back https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1031/topicons/ or a similar one
[00:57] <fishie> allizom, what should I use instead?
[00:58] <charlesfr> unable to install to device /dev/sda and it won't install to anything else in the drop down either
[00:59] <allizom> fishie: see above
[01:01] <fishie> hrm. no relevant search results for ubuntu "Status Icons" files location
[01:01] <fishie> do you know where that data's kept?
[01:02] <nkeck72> What exactly are you looking for?
[01:02] <allizom> sorry, was that meant for me fishie?
[01:02] <fishie> anyone who knows. :>
[01:02] <allizom> just read what I wrote
[01:03] <fishie> I wanted to get the data from a non-functional installation.
[01:03] <nkeck72> Is everything just on one big ext4 partition?
[01:04] <allizom> fishie: please clarify what are you trying to do
[01:04] <Bashing-om> charlesfr: A thought- EFI system where Windows is a factor and your install is in legacy mode ?
[01:05] <fishie> I wish to obtain the data of a legacy tray icon from another installation.
[01:05] <allizom> which kind of data are you looking for?
[01:05] <fishie> the command it used to launch it.
[01:06] <nkeck72> Then jus reinstall the program? :s
[01:06] <allizom> fishie: it's only launched when some app uses it
[01:06] <fishie> but I typed that command myself... 3 years ago. and I don't remember how it goes.
[01:06] <CoderEurope> Could this be UPDATED to Xenial ? How do I update this? If-not, why not ?
[01:06] <CoderEurope> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sharp-Netwalker-PC-Z1-and-PC-T1-Mini-netbooks-Successor-to-the-Sharp-Zaurus/152858160044
[01:06] <fishie> and I can't launch that installation to read it. but I can access the files.
[01:06] <charlesfr> I don't really know what that means, I do have windows... how would I fix it if that is the issue?
[01:07] <nkeck72> fishie, what is the tray icon in question?
[01:07] <fishie> I've installed the app, but it had a lot of arguments that were required to make it work.
[01:07] <fishie> It's Wine launching World of Warcraft.
[01:07] <CoderEurope> charlesfr, You are tryin' to install ubuntu with a usb ?
[01:08] <charlesfr> yessir, trying to put it on a third HD if that matters at all
[01:08] <fishie> hmmm... so far no luck in /home/username/.config/xfce4
[01:08] <nkeck72> I think your best bet then is to install WoW with Wine on the new install (assuming that's what you're doing), then making a desktop icon of some kind. I have no idea how you got it to be a tray icon
[01:09] <Bashing-om> charlesfr: Check in the EFI firmware (bios) that you are booting the install USB in EFI mode . If legacy delete the ubuntu partitions and try the instal again in EFI mode by booting the USB in EFI mode .
[01:10] <fishie> nkeck72, nnnnno. I'm copying the files because "installing WoW" would download 50GB. of course trial-and-error attempts to get a shortcut to launch it should take less time, but I was hoping to just copy/paste.
[01:10] <allizom> fishie: ok, forget the status icons. Look into ~/.local/share/applications and /usr/share/applications
[01:11] <fishie> allizom, thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I'm very lost.
[01:11] <charlesfr> okay i will try that, thank you
[01:11] <Bashing-om> charlesfr: Installing ubuntu to it's own physical hard drive, I would install the boot code to that device (sdc) .
[01:12] <CoderEurope> How do I install Tyrian on wine ? https://imgur.com/2Uy02qW
[01:13] <charlesfr> is that an advanced option? it only seemed to let me select that device after it hit the fatal error
[01:13] <Bashing-om> charlesfr: Might be good to make sure at this point that you can still boot Windows .
[01:14] <Bashing-om> charlesfr: IF this is a EFI system .. the settings are in the firmware ... not in the operating system at all .
[01:15] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | charlesfr
[01:16] <charlesfr> yea I booted windows to talk here :D I need to get rid of it because of memory leaks in some driver but i still want to be able to move over some data which is why I'm trying to put ubuntu on another drive
[01:17] <CoderEurope> charlesfr, use a separate hard drive, yeah ?
[01:18] <charlesfr> yessir
[01:18] <CoderEurope> So tell me, Whats your problem, then ?
[01:19] <charlesfr> grub gets a fatal error trying to install, I gotta try what bashing-om said
[01:20] <CoderEurope> You use https://etcher.io/ charlesfr  ??
[01:20] <CoderEurope> What laptop model is it ?
[01:21] <charlesfr> custom pc and I used rufus, is this etcher better?
[01:21] <fishie> hahahah. I just spent the last 10 minutes looking for that data... on the new installation instead of the old one. >_<
[01:21] <fishie> Found it! Thanks so much!
[01:22] <allizom> good.
[01:22] <sdencryption> Hi all, I'm looking to encrypt my microSD card so that if it gets swiped out of my laptop the data won't be useful. I want it to automount either on system start or on user login (I'm the only user). PW or keyfiles, I don't mind which, as long as there's no additional input needed from me. I've tried with the disks utility and Veracrypt and neither seem to support it
[01:23] <CoderEurope> charlesfr, etcher is by far better - it always works and is fast.
[01:23] <CoderEurope> its the go-to way of doing it.
[01:24] <CoderEurope> sdencryption, please contact @LetEncrypt on twitter etc- they are your friends.
[01:26] <sdencryption> Let's Encrypt? They're for HTTPS certs?
[01:26] <CoderEurope>  Can someone answer this from a security POV ? I would like to-do the same !
[01:26] <CoderEurope> https://askubuntu.com/questions/797167/ssh-into-virtual-private-server-connected-to-vpn
[01:27] <CoderEurope> sdencryption, Oh are they ? Never used them, they just help me out with any questions. Sorry I pissed you off with that, It just sprung to mind.
[01:27] <sdencryption> CoderEurope: No worries, sorry for the confusion
[01:28] <CoderEurope> sdencryption, coolbeans dude !
[01:28] <sdencryption> CoderEurope: I might fire them a message just in case
[01:28] <CoderEurope> right-oh
[01:28] <CoderEurope> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-2-handheld-game-console-for-aaa-games-laptop#/
[01:30] <sean__> Hey
[01:31] <sean__> Anyone out there?
[01:31] <sean__> Or just all staring at a blank screen
[01:32] <krytarik> It's not blank.
[01:32] <sean__> Well that's a good thing
[01:32] <krytarik> Are you?
[01:32] <sean__> Am I what?
[01:32] <krytarik> Staring at a blank screen.
[01:32] <sean__> Well, not anymore
[01:36] <CoderEurope> sean__, you gaining something ?
[01:36] <sean__> Probably the same thing you're gaining
[01:37] <CoderEurope> troll do you ?
[01:37] <sean__> nay, troll I have not
[01:37] <sean__> I just said hi to an open quiet room.  That
[01:38] <sean__> is it.  Just to see if there was a pulse
[01:38] <asimov> hi
[01:38] <CoderEurope> so what do you think of Rule Britannia ?
[01:39] <asimov> what is rule britannia?
[01:39] <CoderEurope> your a bot.
[01:39] <sean__> Had to look that up.  Being American, we sort of revolted against the song a bit ago
[01:40] <CoderEurope> oh okay. cool.
[01:40] <sean__> No hard feelings though.  WWI and II and all sort of patched that all up
[01:40] <CoderEurope> words.
[01:40] <asimov> i aint no bot
[01:40] <CoderEurope> cop on then !
[01:41] <CoderEurope>  Can someone answer this from a security POV ? I would like to-do the same !
[01:41] <CoderEurope> https://askubuntu.com/questions/797167/ssh-into-virtual-private-server-connected-to-vpn
[01:41] <Kon-> CoderEurope, why did you link an advertisement for a portable Windows 10 machine here?
[01:41] <Kon-> This is the support channel for Ubuntu
[01:42] <CoderEurope> sorry. could run ubuntu. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gpd-win-2-runs-linux-perfectly
[01:44] <Kon-> The thumbstick-based interface control doesn't seem great for a desktop environment
[01:44] <Kon-> And honestly, for its stated purpose as a gaming device, it's quite bad. The CPU is from the ultra low-power m3 line and has weaker performance than an i5-650
[01:46] <hans__> i have a lot of 16.04's to install, and after every installation, i have to run `apt update; apt dist-upgrade`, because the 16.04 iso has outdated packages, and the stupid installer fails to update them during the initial OS installation,  is there some easy-ish way to update the packages on the installation image?
[01:47] <hans__> (and among the things that needs to be updated is the kernel, so a reboot after the upgrade too)
[01:47] <arktvrvs> no unix pro here but im sure theres a way to do 1 install and then update and clone the disk
[02:00] <CoderEurope> Kon-, don't knock it till you've tried it, mate.
[02:12] <draco_> oi
[02:19] <kappa1> hello, how can I simulate a slow network connection on ubuntu?
[02:19] <kappa1> I heard about the ipfw... but how can I install it?
[02:20] <arktvrvs> what do you mean 'simulate' ?
[02:20] <kappa1> arktvrvs: I want to make my network connection slow on purpose
[02:21] <arktvrvs> on a per-case basis you can use trickle
[02:23] <GrandPa-G> If I have a assembly line where there are 3 stations that put something together for the next station and I want to tell the next station the assembly is coming, how could I connect a computer at each station to signal the next computer?
[02:23] <GrandPa-G> They will be connected on a LAN.
[02:23] <arktvrvs> any way you want?
[02:23] <arktvrvs> are you writing code?
[02:24] <GrandPa-G> I can think of some type of udp packet sequence with a listner at each station. I can write code or find something simple as standard programs. Completely open to ideas.
[02:24] <arktvrvs> udp is a good idea.  netcat can probably do it
[02:24] <arktvrvs> but i may be wrong
[02:26] <Pinkamena_D> Hello, recently hibernate stopped working for me. I run the hibernate command (systemctl hibernate) and the hard drive writes for a while and it shuts down. Upon coming up it loads for a few seconds and then just stops with black screen, cant get to other tty or anything, must hard shut down.
[02:26] <Pinkamena_D> Any common cause or way to view the pervious dmesg to check whats going on?
[02:26] <GrandPa-G> Basically I want a way to send an interrupt signal from one computer to another over ethernet.
[02:27] <arktvrvs> less /var/log/syslog.1?
[02:27] <Plasmatix> HELLOOOOOO
[02:27] <arktvrvs> ubuntu seems to not use dmesg, but rather syslog
[02:27] <Plasmatix> urrgghhhh
[02:27] <arktvrvs> plasmatix do you need some laggy mustard?
[02:28] <arktvrvs> I have laggy mustard for sale, 30 gil each
[02:28] <Plasmatix> My RPi3 keeps on lagging.
[02:28] <arktvrvs> hello gladys
[02:29] <arktvrvs> the sultans, played creole (creole!)
[02:29] <Plasmatix> It promotes my being to a Level 8 Salt.
[02:29] <arktvrvs> wow that is major salt
[02:29] <arktvrvs> have you checked top?
[02:29] <Plasmatix> Just wait till i level up cause the chat.
[02:30] <arktvrvs> yea this place is kind of hit or miss
[02:30] <Plasmatix> You see people in and out?
[02:31] <arktvrvs> well sometimes the only people who answer are the ones that say THATS OFFTOPIC GO SOMEWHERE ELSE
[02:32] <Plasmatix> How much RAM does you computer have?
[02:32] <arktvrvs> 6g? 8?
[02:32]  * arktvrvs lookin for a place called lee ho fooks
[02:32] <Plasmatix> I got 1GB of RAM.
[02:32] <arktvrvs> <- jelly
[02:33] <arktvrvs> my old lappy crapped out so i stole parts from another and melded them together
[02:33] <Plasmatix> One sec, gotta enter chrome
[02:33] <Plasmatix> Found it.
[02:33] <Plasmatix> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[02:34] <arktvrvs> ./flip $table(1)
[02:34] <Plasmatix> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:34] <arktvrvs> <:(
[02:34] <Pinkamena_D> arktvrvs: I am having trouble sorting through it, can I write something long to syslog manually now so I can tell exactly that the part I want is after that?
[02:35] <Plasmatix> Dunno.
[02:35] <Pinkamena_D> would just a regular echo "" >> work ok?
[02:35] <Plasmatix> Again, Dunno.
[02:35] <arktvrvs> likely so
[02:36] <Plasmatix> I had to use a crappy CRT television for my Wii and X360 though.
[02:36] <arktvrvs> if the timestamps arent sufficient
[02:36] <Pinkamena_D> can I RM all of those files safely so it spawns more?
[02:36] <Pinkamena_D> the timestamps are like off by a few hours or something idsk
[02:36] <Plasmatix> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:36] <Plasmatix> brb
[02:38] <arktvrvs> syslog? should be removable
[02:39] <Plasmatix> SystemLog, Sould be.
[02:39] <Plasmatix> *Should
[02:41] <Plasmatix> I am the biggest Linux n00b, yet I know how to use sudo.
[02:41] <arktvrvs> wait till you figure out sudo -i :D
[02:41] <Plasmatix> xd
[02:41] <thinque> hey someone here?
[02:42] <Plasmatix> YEs.
[02:42] <arktvrvs> nobody but us mice
[02:42] <thinque> IM SAD TODAY
[02:42] <arktvrvs> im sad everyday
[02:42] <Plasmatix> I still use a GBA
[02:42] <arktvrvs> yet I couldnt ask for another
[02:42] <arktvrvs> GROOVE IS IN THE HEART
[02:42] <arktvrvs> i still play super metroid
[02:42] <Plasmatix> I play my mom's NES
[02:43] <H1d3> anyone good with networking
[02:43] <thinque> you know Dolores went away?
[02:43] <arktvrvs> :(
[02:43] <Plasmatix> Not at all.
[02:43] <arktvrvs> yes
[02:43] <thinque> extremely sad for me
[02:43] <Plasmatix> (° ͜ʖ °)
[02:44] <arktvrvs> yes a part of me died
[02:44] <Plasmatix> Be right back
[02:44] <thinque> why you say that
[02:44] <arktvrvs> <-- 90s kid
[02:44] <hwdyki> why does ubuntu expect a reboot after uninstalling an old kernel and how can i disable this?
[02:44] <H1d3> got 2 nics in a server eno1 no ip eno2 has ip, both plugged into same switch, any ideas why no ip on eno1
[02:44] <thinque> seems all of you still alive
[02:45] <thinque> hwdyki you can search on Google
[02:45] <arktvrvs> hwd, probably cause it reconfigures grub?
[02:45] <arktvrvs> no definitely some dead parts
[02:46] <thinque> which parts in detail?
[02:46] <arktvrvs> brain parts
[02:46] <arktvrvs> basal ganglia
[02:46] <arktvrvs> maybe hypothalamus?
[02:46] <thinque> oo youre joking
[02:46] <arktvrvs> no
[02:46] <thinque> where are  you from?
[02:46] <arktvrvs> america
[02:46] <arktvrvs> the beuatiful
[02:47] <arktvrvs> amber lamps of grain
[02:47] <thinque> MY ENglish is poor so please forgive me
[02:47] <H1d3> so is most americans
[02:47] <thinque> im a Chinese haha
[02:47] <arktvrvs> you do well enough
[02:48] <thinque> lack in words and phrases
[02:49] <thinque>  I came here months ago but seemed no one here
[02:49] <WacomUser> I am trying to get my Wacom Intuos to work on Ubuntu 16.04. I tried some tutorials, but no luck so far. I last tried following these instructions, but got the v2.00 output, which seems to indicate that the stock version is still in use according to the page. But there is no follow up on what to do in that case... Can anyone please help?
[02:50] <thinque> please wait a moment and someone may help you
[02:50] <WacomUser> BTW, these are the instructions. I forgot to include the link... https://github.com/linuxwacom/input-wacom/wiki/Installing-input-wacom-from-source
[02:50] <arktvrvs> what 'page'
[02:51] <arktvrvs> ok
[02:51] <Plasmatix> Sup boi.
[02:52] <Plasmatix> Or boi(s).
[02:52] <arktvrvs> eww you installed from source :(
[02:52] <arktvrvs> dont let anybody here know or you'll be gettin the business
[02:53] <Pinkamena_D> Hi All, I looked through the /var/log/syslog now after confirming the timestamps and everything - There are absolutely no messages. Here is the procedure, I marked a line in the syslog, ran sudo systemctl hibernate, and waited for the shutdown. I waited a few mins and booted up, which does not work, then I held the button down and turned it on again. I can only see the last message before shutdown and the messages after the hard reboot, nothing in
[02:53] <Pinkamena_D> between. Any other idea where I can look for info to find what is going wrong?
[02:53] <Pinkamena_D> I can post the syslog if anyone cares to look at it but I don't think its very helpful
[02:54] <Plasmatix> Try booting to CMD Line. Tell ya now, I am 15, yet I use MS-DOS more than Windows XP.
[02:55] <WacomUser> Anyone knows how to use wacom pads in ubuntu?
[02:55] <Plasmatix> The command line is better than a GUI to me.
[02:56] <thinque> 15? good boy
[02:56] <Pinkamena_D> Plasmatix: I work linux servers for a living. I don't care if I read the syslog through a gui or a terminal, but it nothing is logged there when the error occurs I can not do much.
[02:57] <Plasmatix> ok.
[02:58] <thinque> wacomuser I suggest you searching on github
[02:58] <thinque> continue
[02:58] <Pinkamena_D> Plasmatix: I started on DOS too btw, QBASIC was quite a fun time, I wish you well.
[02:58] <Plasmatix> I sadly do not have Duke Nukem 3D.
[02:59] <arktvrvs> that game was sweet
[02:59] <arktvrvs> "i guess pigs do fly!"
[02:59] <Plasmatix> Yeah well see ya guys.
[02:59] <H1d3> anyone know best way to make 1 ubuntu server with 2 nics designate eth1 to virtual machines only and eth2 to the host machine only. I do not want either to have any access to the other.
[02:59] <quazimodo> Ok guys i'm having a weird time
[03:00] <arktvrvs> H1d3, configure them?
[03:00] <quazimodo> it looks like my (xubuntu 16.04) install doesn't let me render any fonts below 'regular'
[03:00] <Plasmatix> Bye.
[03:00] <quazimodo> the settings manager also doesn't allow 'Helvetica Neue.ttc' to be used as the system font at all
[03:01] <H1d3> brilliant
[03:01] <arktvrvs> i mean you'll need to give it an ip/subnet and then set routes
[03:01] <arktvrvs> depending on what sort of VM setup you are using youll have to configure it appropriately
[03:03] <WacomUser> thinque: I am not suure what to look for. I thought the steps I was following were already from github
[03:03] <quazimodo> even font-mananger doesn't render light fonts
[03:03] <WacomUser> https://github.com/linuxwacom/input-wacom/wiki/Installing-input-wacom-from-source
[03:03] <quazimodo> is this a known ubuntu bug?
[03:03] <H1d3> not a networking guy so..iptables and such? or /etc/network/interfaces
[03:04] <arktvrvs> interfaces for that kind of stuff.  unless you have some special whacky setup
[03:04] <pennTeller> Hi guys, so I have an encrypted LVM is there a way to change the password every month automatically or something like that?
[03:04] <arktvrvs> automatically setting passwords is a scary idea
[03:05] <arktvrvs> and thats coming from someone who has used 64 character random alphanumerics as passwords
[03:05] <pennTeller> arktvrvs, I know lol but what if I have a short list of 10 passwords and I have the system cycle through them once a month
[03:05] <arktvrvs> then a bash script and a cron job oughtta do you?
[03:06] <H1d3> should be fairly simple cron.monthly
[03:06] <thinque> WacomUser:it's a difficult problem for who doesn't use wacom...you'd better ask others later and I'm really sorry
[03:07] <pennTeller> H1d3, but how to do it with LVM password_
[03:07] <pennTeller> ?
[03:07] <misty5> pennTeller: hey
[03:07] <misty5> H1d3: hey
[03:07] <pennTeller> misty5, hi there
[03:07] <arktvrvs> how do you normally set lvm passwords?
[03:07] <misty5> pennTeller: guess what
[03:07] <arktvrvs> chicken butt!
[03:08] <pennTeller> arktvrvs, honestly I have only set LVM password once and it was during install
[03:08] <arktvrvs> ive only set it 0 times myself
[03:08] <pennTeller> misty5, what?
[03:08] <arktvrvs> :D maybe google and learn about lvm?
[03:08] <pennTeller> arktvrvs, lol
[03:08] <misty5> pennTeller: do you really wanna know?
[03:08] <arktvrvs> its chicken butt
[03:08] <pennTeller> misty5, yes
[03:08] <misty5> pennTeller: FUCK YOU, that's what
[03:08] <arktvrvs> misty that was mean
[03:09] <pennTeller> misty5, lol
[03:09] <arktvrvs> now hes gonna tell penn
[03:09] <arktvrvs> and not clever at all
[03:09] <pennTeller> that was dissapointing xD
[03:09] <arktvrvs> i mean you could have at least said chicken butt
[03:09] <arktvrvs> i even set it up for you
[03:11] <H1d3> https://askubuntu.com/questions/109898/how-to-change-the-password-of-an-encrypted-lvm-system-done-with-the-alternate-i
[03:12] <thinque> a problem stuck me..MY wireless network doesn't work in Ubuntu(BTW wire network is OK and wireless adapter in WIN10 or WIN7 is also fine)
[03:12] <pennTeller> H1d3, thank you, that seems like it´s "scriptable"
[03:12] <arktvrvs> google the name/model of your wifi adapter followed by 'ubuntu'
[03:12] <H1d3> is it internal or usb
[03:12] <thinque> then what
[03:13] <thinque> internal
[03:13] <H1d3> laptop, desktop? chipset?
[03:13] <thinque> an old laptop haha
[03:13] <thinque> born in 2007
[03:14] <H1d3> old is usually better compatablility
[03:14] <arktvrvs> <3 2007
[03:14] <arktvrvs> way better than 2017
[03:14] <arktvrvs> seriously, last 10 years have been a waste
[03:14] <arktvrvs> thanks obama
[03:14] <thinque> yeah sometimes it works better than new laptop..
[03:15] <H1d3> best laptop i ever had was thinkpad t400
[03:15] <arktvrvs> best computer i ever had was 128mb athlon 550mhz
[03:15] <thinque> I wanna buy Microsoft Surface Laptop.is it OK?
[03:15] <arktvrvs> i wouldnt touch it.
[03:15] <H1d3> buy me one and ill let you know
[03:15] <thinque> (maybe to expensive
[03:16] <thinque> haha youre funny
[03:17] <Neo4> on my server mail finction doesn't work, what does it might mean?
[03:17] <Neo4> https://kselax.ru/test.php
[03:17] <H1d3> later all need to get back to my networking problem thanks for the info
[03:18] <Neo4> I used this code for test https://hastebin.com/agotisoxim.bash
[03:23] <Neo4> I want to create mails like name@kselax.ru, what I must do for it?
[03:23] <Neo4> What I have to for it?
[03:24] <Neo4> What I've got to do for it?
[03:24] <arktvrvs> register a domain name
[03:24] <arktvrvs> find an email host
[03:25] <Neo4> what the email host? Where I've got to find it?
[03:25] <arktvrvs> google? i think sometimes a domain registrar will even host for you.. if i remember correctly
[03:25] <Neo4> arktvrvs: see I installed only LAMP, might be I must install some mail server?
[03:25] <arktvrvs> for example, i used to own bigfatdoobies.com and ircii.us
[03:26] <arktvrvs> you can run your own server, if you want.  you dont have to though.
[03:27] <Neo4> arktvrvs: why on my server not accessible mail function? https://kselax.ru/test.php
[03:27] <Neo4> arktvrvs: what is postfix and sendmail?
[03:28] <arktvrvs> not sure about postfix, but sendmail is your worst nightmare
[03:28] <Neo4> I read it must be default installed
[03:28] <Neo4> sendmail it's mail server?
[03:28] <arktvrvs> yes
[03:28] <Neo4> and postfix might be to
[03:28] <Neo4> too*
[03:29] <arktvrvs> yes probably
[03:29] <arktvrvs> unless you know what youre doing, running a mail server is a bad idea
[03:29] <Neo4> arktvrvs: if I don't run it I won't know...
[03:30] <arktvrvs> suit yourself.  easier to pay somebody to host your domain
[03:30] <Neo4> I could run on virtual machine for the start
[03:30] <Neo4> arktvrvs: oh, I'm learner, want to do it myself :)
[03:31] <arktvrvs> a mail server not configured properly can cause a lot of problems.  virtual machine will not help all of those problems
[03:31] <Neo4> arktvrvs: really?
[03:31] <arktvrvs> yes
[03:31] <arktvrvs> as other can use them for spam mails
[03:31] <arktvrvs> and those will get your domain blacklisted
[03:32] <Neo4> on ubuntu server guide I read there exists many servers
[03:32] <Neo4> arktvrvs: I want to try at first and then use it for send spam, domain cost 3$ for first year and server on digital ocean 5$, we might send mails while get ban
[03:33] <Neo4> arktvrvs: it's good idea, black ads
[03:33] <arktvrvs> if you want to send spam then get lost
[03:33] <Neo4> arktvrvs: not I don't want, just I will able to do it as well :)
[03:33] <arktvrvs> not once you are on geoip
[03:34] <arktvrvs> you will be completely ignored. and possibly have your hosting revoked
[03:34] <jerichowasahoax> i believe sending spam is a violation of many providers' terms of service
[03:34] <Neo4> arktvrvs: what it means? no, I don't think so
[03:34] <arktvrvs> it means you should leave
[03:35] <arktvrvs> and grow up.  what are you 12 years old
[03:35] <Neo4> jerichowasahoax: no, they don't care about it, you are paying for host and rest are not their problems in general
[03:35] <arktvrvs> !ops
[03:36] <arktvrvs> internet emergency! weeoooweoooweeoooo
[03:36] <jerichowasahoax> speaking of mail, actually: i know there's a few different packages in the repositories that provide the "sendmail" command. how do i determine which one i've actually got installed?
[03:37] <Neo4> arktvrvs: well, I understood you don't know how to forse mail function to work...
[03:37] <arktvrvs> jericho i would ls -l /usr/bin/sendmail
[03:37] <arktvrvs> i do know
[03:37] <arktvrvs> but i dont want to encourage you
[03:37] <jerichowasahoax> arktvrvs: how would ls know which package provides that command? all that would do is confirm i've got it
[03:37] <Neo4> arktvrvs: you know but not confidently
[03:37] <arktvrvs> yeah, i do.
[03:37] <arktvrvs> now get lost
[03:38] <arktvrvs> jericho, in debian/ubuntu a lot of symlinks are used
[03:38] <arktvrvs> you may be able to see which program is being used as 'sendmail'
[03:38] <stanley87> im learning but i like linux, is it possible to use linux without needed to use again windows or mac?
[03:38] <Neo4> arktvrvs: :)
[03:38] <jerichowasahoax> arktvrvs: does not appear to be a symlink here, just a plain file
[03:38] <arktvrvs> stan, it depends what you need to do.  generally yea
[03:38] <arktvrvs> then i think dpkg -S sendmail ?
[03:39] <Flannel> jerichowasahoax: Then you can `dpkg -S /path/to/file` to figure out which package contains that file.
[03:39] <arktvrvs> ive used linux since 2008, but i dont play games
[03:39] <stanley87> thanks
[03:39] <jerichowasahoax> Flannel: bingo, thank you
[03:39] <arktvrvs> neo4, i've owned 2 domain names and set up my own email and vhosts. so go away.
[03:40] <arktvrvs> ipv6 vhosts even
[03:40] <stanley87> i hate games, i dont like it, i love open source because it is freedom
[03:41] <arktvrvs> ick.. a stallmanite ;)
[03:41] <Neo4> arktvrvs: from my side I see you are badly know this domain and completely not understand what about you are speaking. Might be this is language restrictions :) :) :)
[03:42] <arktvrvs> grow up child
[03:42] <Neo4> arktvrvs: well, it was joke, don't worry )
[03:42] <arktvrvs> turn off your computer.  go outside and talk to girls
[03:42] <Flannel> arktvrvs: Just drop it.  As far as I can tell, he's stopped.
[03:42] <Neo4> :)
[03:43] <lapion> how do I reenalbe powermanagement for usb disks ?
[03:43] <lapion> Ever since the upgrade to 16.04 my usb drives do not spin down anymore
[03:44] <Neo4> I watched this in one guy on site https://roundcube.net/
[03:45] <Neo4> he gave me one mail for use
[03:49] <Neo4> this app require SMTP server and IMAP server with IMAP4 rev1 support
[03:49] <Neo4> if I installed ubuntu there isn't SMTP on default?
[03:50] <Neo4> SMTP and IMAP servers are needed
[03:51] <ii85> hey guys
[03:51] <arktvrvs> HeyGuys
[03:51] <cucumbersandwich> Hello
[03:51] <ii85> is it possible to use a liveUSB and install ubuntu on my 16gb stick?
[03:51] <jerichowasahoax> Neo4: SMTP/IMAP doesn't come with any ubuntu install by default because most people tend to use someone else's mail servers
[03:52] <Bashing-om> ii85: Short answer, Yes .
[03:53] <ii85> ok
[03:53] <ii85> it says 25gb is the minimum
[03:53] <ii85> I only have 16
[03:54] <Neo4> see what I managed to find https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-postfix-on-ubuntu-16-04
[03:54] <jerichowasahoax> ii85: wait, did you want to install your actual system onto the usb stick or just the liveusb media?
[03:54] <Bashing-om> ii85: It will be real tight .. and no room for added applications .. and one will have to watch disk space usage .. but can be done .
[03:55] <ii85> install the actual system ion the stick
[03:55] <ii85> I dont care about any additional os
[03:55] <arktvrvs> needing 25gb for an os.. oh my
[03:55] <ii85> I am just trying to do a few tasks and then delete the entire thing
[03:55]  * arktvrvs checks df
[03:55] <ii85> It wont do any of these things in live mode
[03:56] <Bashing-om> ii85: I have run well on 15 gigs ( minimal install ) .
[03:56] <ii85> great
[03:56] <ii85> with 14.04?
[03:56] <ii85> sorry 16.04
[03:57] <Bashing-om> ii85: Yes .. was 14.04 .
[03:57] <ii85> ok giving it a try
[03:58] <Bashing-om> ii85: minimal install ... 5G root, 5G /home .. and 5g /var .
[03:59]  * arktvrvs squeals
[03:59] <ii85> is there an option for "minimal install"?
[03:59] <arktvrvs> all those gigabytes down the drain.. thanks amd_64
[03:59] <ii85> In live mode?
[03:59] <Bashing-om> !minimal | ii85
[04:04] <robby_> hey guys. I recently installed ubuntu dualbooted to windows 10. For some reason my bluetooth adapter is not being detected though. So far I've tried hcitool dev which doesnt show any devices, I've looked in lsusb and lspci as well and I couldnt find it in there as well. Any suggestions?
[04:04] <robby_> I installed ubuntu dualboot with windows 10 and for some reaosn ^
[04:05] <robby_> the first part of the msg got deleted somehwo
[04:05] <arktvrvs> doesnt look like it
[04:06] <arktvrvs> was it working before?
[04:06] <robby_> It was working on windows 10 and still does but hasn't worked on ubuntu since the beginnign
[04:06] <robby_> beginning as in since installation(like yesterday)
[04:09] <p1und3r> anyone here running a gpu mining rig using ubuntu?
[04:14] <arktvrvs> lol unix
[04:18] <amazoniantoad> Hey guys. If I enable 32bit mode does that mean my entire system will run in 32bit mode? Or allow 32bit applications to execute in 32bit mode?
[04:20] <ii85> does Ubuntu 14.04.5 Desktop (32-bit) boot at startup automatically?
[04:20] <ii85> It would not boot at startup
[04:21] <dax> amazoniantoad: depends on what "enable 32bit mode" means. if you mean enabling multiarch, it's the second thing you said
[04:22] <amazoniantoad> dax, I mean sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[04:23] <dax> amazoniantoad: yep, that's multiarch. 64-bit applications aren't affected, anything you install with the :i386 architecture will be a 32-bit application running on your 64-bit kernel using 32-bit libraries
[04:23] <amazoniantoad> Ah. thanks
[04:28] <JonelethIrenicus> why do I have multiple snap cores installed?
[04:29] <Blankspace> Hi
[04:30] <amazoniantoad> When I try to install wine I get the following error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26395667/ How should I fix this?
[04:30] <JonelethIrenicus> amazoniantoad: use crossover
[04:30] <Blankspace> My Firefox is opening up spam page on its own
[04:30] <Blankspace> What should I do to close it
[04:30] <JonelethIrenicus> Blankspace: its got some malware
[04:30] <amazoniantoad> JonelethIrenicus, I prefer crossover anyway but they rob you with their prices
[04:30] <Blankspace> Its not closing
[04:30] <amazoniantoad> Blankspace, killall firefox
[04:30] <JonelethIrenicus> amazoniantoad: considering they made it i would say it is worth it
[04:30] <Blankspace> Even the I restarted my pc
[04:30] <amazoniantoad> in terminal
[04:31] <Blankspace> When I tried opening my Firefox it relaunches itself
[04:31] <amazoniantoad> JonelethIrenicus, yeah but I don't agree with the price so I don't use it
[04:31] <amazoniantoad> It is nice software though
[04:31] <Blankspace> How can I close it
[04:31] <JonelethIrenicus> amazoniantoad: they just had big sale
[04:31] <amazoniantoad> Blankspace, open terminal and enter, "killall firefox"
[04:32] <amazoniantoad> Or you can try and find the virus with your process list
[04:32] <JonelethIrenicus> amazoniantoad: his problem is that when he opens his browser the malware is in the browser i think
[04:32] <JonelethIrenicus> Blankspace: you should ask in Firefox channel
[04:32] <Blankspace> Ty Amazon
[04:32] <Blankspace> It helped
[04:32] <Blankspace> :)
[04:32] <amazoniantoad> Blankspace, sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox
[04:32] <amazoniantoad> then reinstall
[04:32] <amazoniantoad> see if that works
[04:32] <Blankspace> I did killall it worked
[04:33] <Blankspace> Thanks
[04:33] <amazoniantoad> Okay but open firefox again
[04:33] <amazoniantoad> see if it's still there
[04:33] <Blankspace> Not here
[04:34] <amazoniantoad> Hm
[05:10] <amazoniantoad> When I try to install wine I get the following error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26395667/ How should I fix this?
[05:10] <amazoniantoad> Sorry, lost connection before
[05:20] <trincyolo> Hi, I'm holding down shift on reboot but my grub menu isn't loading and I need to select an older kernel or my computer doesn't load anything but a login and blank wallpapper
[05:20] <EriC^^> try esc
[05:22] <trincyolo> EriC^^: thanks. What's the safest way to restart my computer now?
[05:23] <trincyolo> I'm currently unable to get a terminal
[05:23] <EriC^^> try ctrl+alt+f1 then when you get the tty press ctrl+alt+del
[05:23] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | trincyolo
[05:23] <EriC^^> or see above ^
[05:23] <EriC^^> if that doesnt work
[05:24] <trincyolo> EriC^^: Escape gave me a grub prompt
[05:24] <trincyolo> EriC^^: not menu
[05:25] <EriC^^> trincyolo: type 'normal'
[05:25] <trincyolo> EriC^^: now ubuntu is just loading after typing that. Wasn't able to select my kernel
[05:25] <Edgeman> What would cause a system (virtual machine) to completely hang a few minutes after finishing boot? This was a 16.04.3 that I just upgraded to 17.10. No output in /var/log/syslog or on the console when it locks up. Network goes down and console is unresponsive afterwards.
[05:26] <EriC^^> trincyolo: something is off with the grub menu, try to load it manually
[05:27] <EriC^^> trincyolo: type "ls" when you get the prompt
[05:27] <trincyolo> EriC^^: how? I haven't been able to get a terminal yet. I've already tried ctrl+alt+f1 ... but now I'm at the ubuntu login screen
[05:27] <EriC^^> press ctrl+alt+del
[05:28] <trincyolo> EriC^^: the f1 has now hung everything
[05:29] <EriC^^> try alt+prntscrn + s
[05:29] <EriC^^> the u then b
[05:30] <trincyolo> EriC^^: nothing
[05:30] <xs2> can I do something about the resolution on my computer? the display was once replaced with HD ready (if such thing exists), it used to have full HD. The max resolution I can set is 1366x768, and 1920x1080 doesn't look well (I can't see entire screen, it's cut on edges) it doesn't look well when hooked up to TV via HDMI; when I switch the laptop screen to be main display it doesn't let me set 1920 x 1080
[05:30] <trincyolo> EriC^^: it rebooted
[05:30] <EriC^^> alt+prntscrn + b
[05:32] <mohamed_> hi
[05:34] <trincyolo> EriC^^: I got it. Thanks for your help. Turns out that holding esc was escaping the grub menu. Just needed to tap it at the right moment
[05:35] <schultza> If i was to completely redo my LVM partitions, how do I deleted them?
[05:36] <The0x539> I'm having trouble with getting dhclient to run on boot on my 17.10 server.
[05:36] <The0x539> I've got iface eth0 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and I still need to run dhclient manually before I have connectivity
[05:36] <hans__> does ubuntu live come with openssh server?
[05:38] <EriC^^> trincyolo: ah cool
[05:38] <EriC^^> no hans__ dnt think so
[05:39] <hans__> k
[05:46] <alkisg> The0x539: do you have ifupdown installed?
[05:48] <stanley87> how can i know the public ip from the computer not the router?
[05:50] <stanley87> i can see local ip from my computer, i want to find the public ip but only i can find router, how can i identify my public ip of my computer ? not router
[05:50] <stanley87> or there is not public ip for computer? its only router
[05:51] <oerheks> curl ipinfo.io/ip
[05:51] <oerheks>  wget -qO- http://ipecho.net/plain ; echo # without installing anything
[05:51] <kk4ewt> open a webbrowser  go to http://www.whatsmyip.org/
[05:53] <alkisg> stanley87: your computer doesn't have a public ipv4 IP, only your router has one. That's why when you need to for example expose a web server, do you "port forwarding" on the router
[05:56] <kk4ewt> stanley87, if you dont understand what we posted above  take a look at this, watch the whole thing and it explains how the internet works
[05:56] <kk4ewt> https://twit.tv/shows/know-how/episodes/362
[06:08] <stanley87_> kk4ewt: thanks, but how can identify a computer? not the router, is it possible? out the local networrk
[06:10] <stanley87_> you told me a computer doesnt have public ip, only the router, i got it, but is possible to identify it out the local network? or the only way is idenfity the router thats why like you told me we need to open ports in router we expose it on the net
[06:11] <stanley87_> is it not like time ago? with modems we could see computer ip
[06:13] <assist> hellow
[06:13] <stanley87_> so router today is like a wall?
[06:13] <assist> hei
[06:23] <alkisg> stanley87_, what are you trying to do? "identify a computer from a web server"? The IP doesn't help with that.
[06:27] <oerheks> sudo nmap -A -T4 192.168.1.0/24 # works for me
[06:28] <stanley87__> alkisg: yes i was trying to do that, but not only from web server, so  how can i identify it?
[06:28] <alkisg> stanley87__: this isn't related to ubuntu, try in #networking
[06:28] <alkisg> Also, that's the point of privacy, that you' *can't*
[06:28] <alkisg> You can only use "cookies"
[06:28] <alkisg> To remember a pc
[06:29] <tyil> I wanted to try out KDE, so I tried to `apt install kubuntu-desktop`, which for some reason failed to install. Apparently both unity and kde want to make use of a file at `/usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service` and this made apt angry. Now apt won't let me remove the offending kde package (kde-config-telepathy-accounts), the offending unity package (unity-scope-drive), the offending unity dep that
[06:29] <tyil> actually owns the file (account-plugin-google) or the kde meta package (kubuntu-desktop)
[06:29] <tyil> it basically doesn't let me do anything, just keeps on complaining I should try to `apt-get -f install`, which doesn't do anything except  complain it cant do anything
[06:29] <tyil> which it does on every apt command I can imagine now
[06:31] <tyil> so now I don't have KDE, and I have a broken package manager that doesn't even let me attempt to fix the issue
[06:40] <user___> Hello, looking at USN-3522-3  in regards to Meltdown / Spectre, it am told to update my 16.04 LTS to kernel: linux-image-generic 4.4.0.109.114 but after running dist-upgrade the kernel is  4.4.0-22-generic. How can I get the appropriate kernel ?
[06:41] <oerheks> user___, install HWE i think
[06:41] <oerheks> !kpti
[06:41] <oerheks> !hwe
[06:43] <stanley87__> alkisg: thanks a lot
[06:43] <tyil> if only apt would work so I could install updates
[06:44] <xs2> is it possible to fix this? https://i.imgur.com/0fGWl9jl.png I've managed to find the overscanning option on TV xmobar appears normally, but as you can see it's... weird
[06:45] <xs2> yea I should say that native display is 1366x768 and I'm trying to display full hd on the tv
[06:49] <user___> oerheks thanks for the info!
[06:49] <user___> !spectre
[06:49] <user___> !nopti
[06:53] <Quenz> Because I'm trying to install Ubuntu Gnome on a partition, I have to manually make the swap partition as well. What would it have set by default? Does anyone know what calculation the installer uses?
[06:55] <tyil> 4gb is reasonable
[06:55] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: if you intend to use hibernation/suspend-to-disk you'll probably want to match the amount of RAM you have
[06:55] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: otherwise, yeah, 4GB is probably a good guess for most people
[06:56] <alkisg> tyil: what's the output of `sudo dpkg -S /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service` ?
[06:56] <CoderEurope> mornin'
[06:56] <oerheks> Quenz, you don' t have to calculate that, let ubuntu decide, ubuntu uses 1 partition now for the whole system, and uses a swap-file
[06:56] <alkisg> Good morning
[06:56] <tyil> alkisg: account-plugin-google: /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service
[06:56] <alkisg> tyil: ok, that's only one package using it... pastebin the whole output of apt-get -f install
[06:57] <CoderEurope> Sorry about Dolores O'Riordan, n' stuff - legend !
[06:57] <tyil> alkisg: https://cry.nu/p/46iy
[06:58] <alkisg> tyil: try: apt purge kde-config-telepathy-accounts
[06:58] <tyil> not allowed, same error as with install -f
[06:59] <Quenz> jerichowasahoax sorry to be pedantic, but is that what he installer would have done with the default "erase and install" option? oerheks when I click install after choosing the main partition, is warns me that I haven't assigned a swap partition
[07:00] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: why does it matter what the installer would have done
[07:00] <alkisg> tyil: sudo dpkg --force-all purge kde-config-telepathy-accounts; sudo apt purge --auto-remove kde-desktop
[07:00] <Quenz> jerichowasahoax Because I imagine is has some kind of an algorithm to choose the optimal swap size
[07:00] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: no
[07:00] <jerichowasahoax> "the optimal swap size" doesn't exist, really
[07:01] <Quenz> Does it not make a swap partition by default?
[07:01] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/gc1w
[07:01] <Quenz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq says between equal to your RAM and double, but that's not very specific.
[07:01] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: well how much RAM have you got
[07:01] <Quenz> 8 GB
[07:02] <Quenz> If I had to estimate myself, I would choose 12 GB for swap space jerichowasahoax
[07:02] <tyil> what kind of machine is it, how do you intend to use it, how much ram do you have, how much storage and what kind of storage do you have, Quenz
[07:02] <tyil> all those things matter for the "right" choice in swap size
[07:02] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: that sounds like an okay number to me
[07:03] <Quenz> Does no one know what the installer does by default in terms of the swap partition? Does it not make one at all?
[07:03] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: again, why does it matter what the installer does
[07:03] <tyil> Quenz: correct
[07:03] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: you're ignoring the advice of experts in favor of some program?
[07:04] <alkisg> tyil: sudo dpkg --force-all --purge kde-config-telepathy-accounts; sudo apt purge --auto-remove kde-desktop
[07:04] <tyil> alkisg: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove kde-config-telepathy-accounts which isn't installed
[07:05] <Quenz> Well I image experts designed the installer too. The problem is the advice you guys are giving me is not very specific, whereas I know the installer would choose something specific
[07:05] <tyil> (and then the usual error that apt is probably the worst package manager in existence and doesnt let  me do anything)
[07:05] <Quenz> tyil the installer doesn't make a swap partition by default?
[07:05] <tyil> Quenz: the info you're giving isn't very specific either
[07:05] <tyil> like I said, the "right" swap size depends on many things
[07:05] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: we gave you an exact number, and approved another exact number, how is that "not very specific"
[07:05] <tyil> if you just ask "how much swap guys" I'll givey ou 4gb
[07:06] <tyil> if you're dissatisfied, give more info so we can give a better answer
[07:06] <alkisg> tyil: ok; temporarily then remove the google accounts package, but don't remove its dependencies. I.e. try this, but don't press yes without pastebining first on the second command: sudo dpkg --purge --force-all account-plugin-google; sudo apt purge kubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <tyil> and idk, its been ages since I last touched the ubuntu installer, and I dont intend to ever touch it again
[07:06] <Quenz> The specific question I'm asking is how much swap space the installer would make by default. Otherwise, I'll just go with 12 GB. But I would rather know what the installer would do (if it even makes a partition at all)
[07:07] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: again, WHY
[07:07] <jerichowasahoax> Quenz: the installer isn't some magical oracle that can automatically understand every possible answer to every scenario you could have
[07:07] <tyil> alkisg: the first command succeeded, the second gives the usual error that I need to apt-get -f install
[07:07] <alkisg> tyil: ok, try apt -f install but if you see that it REMOVES packages, don't accept
[07:08] <tyil> I can try  it at this point I guess, since the conflict is now resolved
[07:08] <Quenz> Because that's what I would have done in the first place. I would have just let the installer do what it does, and not bother with customizing it. The only reason I'm asking is because I have to do the partitioning myself, because I don't want it to just format the whole drive.
[07:09] <tyil> alkisg: 0 to remove, but installation fails anyway, saying it tries to overwrite /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service (this persists even after invoking sudo rm on it beforehand)
[07:09] <alkisg> tyil: pastebin please
[07:09] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/0ahr
[07:10] <tyil> also, ls: cannot access '/usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service': No such file or directory
[07:11] <alkisg> tyil: sudo dpkg --purge --force-all account-plugin-google; sudo dpkg-divert --divert /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service.bak --rename /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service; sudo apt install -f
[07:12] <tyil> alkisg: same error as in the previous paste
[07:13] <alkisg> tyil: did the divert command succeed?
[07:13] <oerheks> alkisg, tyil , this answer might be a help, https://askubuntu.com/a/969623  sudo apt clean && sudo apt -f install  # still wonder why this stupid bug is still alive, since 2015
[07:13] <tyil> alkisg: it did
[07:13] <tyil> oerheks: it does not
[07:13] <tyil> alkisg: Adding 'local diversion of /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service to /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service.bak'
[07:13] <tyil> that was the output  of the divert
[07:14] <tyil> idk why apt is so fucking shit it completely shits itself when you're trying to install a package, which I thought was the primary goal of the entire thing in the first place
[07:14] <Quenz> I just went to use the "Install Ubuntu Gnome alongside..." option, and it does make a swap partition by default. It doesn't say what size, but I guess I can find out by installing. Hopefully it doesn't delete any other partitions, which is what I was worried about
[07:15] <alkisg> tyil: what's the output of dpkg -l '*kde*' | nc termbin.com 9999 ?
[07:16] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/h1bk
[07:17] <alkisg> tyil: can you pastebin the output of sudo dpkg --purge --force-all kde-config-telepathy-accounts ?
[07:17] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/shu8
[07:18] <tyil> that seems to have actually done something
[07:18] <alkisg> tyil: right, because the last time you said it wasn't installed
[07:18] <alkisg> tyil: ok now try apt purge --auto-remove kubuntu-desktop
[07:18] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/ruhl
[07:18] <tyil> sweet apt
[07:19] <alkisg> tyil: at this point we want to have account-plugin-google installed, before removing kubuntu-desktop
[07:19] <alkisg> Is it?
[07:20] <tyil> I wanted to install kubuntu-desktop to try out kde for a change, actually
[07:20] <tyil> but  that was before I knew  apt cant deal with installing packages
[07:20] <alkisg> tyil: let's first get apt into a consistent state
[07:20] <tyil> I'm not sure it ever is
[07:21] <alkisg> So, the plan is: have account-plugin-google installed, kde-config-telepathy-accounts purged, and at that point try to apt purge --auto-remove kubuntu-desktop
[07:21] <tyil> then I'm back at where I began when I thought to myself "I should check up on KDE"
[07:22] <alkisg> Right, undoing the damage is the first step
[07:22] <alkisg> Unless you don't want that, and I should stop helping at that direction
[07:23] <tyil> I kinda want to have a decent package manager that can install a package, but that's not going to happen with ubuntu it seems, so I'll have to do with just spending my morning before work  with undoing the damage that apt is causing
[07:23] <alkisg> OK, I stop, maybe someone else can cope with that
[07:24] <alkisg> Remember that here are volunteers that may want to help others, not "developers that maintain ubuntu and are the ones to blame when things go wrong"
[07:24] <tyil> yeah, its kinda frustrating to have apt blow up in your face and refuse to do anything *at all* at this point too
[07:24] <tyil> and #ubuntu has yet to ever solve an apt issue for me, no matter how nice anyone is trying  to be
[07:24] <alkisg> Helping you is no longer fun, bye from me
[07:25] <tyil> the only  thing that ever fixes the horror that is apt has been using another package manager
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> tyil: not smart when someone is helping you refuse trying to do steps
[07:25] <tyil> lotuspsychje: I've been doing their steps for the past half hour
[07:25] <tyil> we're in the same position still
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> tyil: thats why we trying to help..
[07:26] <tyil> because I tried to *install a package* with a *package manager*
[07:26] <tyil> lotuspsychje: the last advice I seem to have gotten has been "yeah no lets just roll back completely, you wasted 1 hours to solve a fuckup from a program whose sole purpose is to perform that single install action
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> tyil: no need for bad language here
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> tyil: with your attitude now, nobody is gonna help you
[07:27] <jerichowasahoax> tyil: inhale. count to four. exhale. count to four.
[07:27] <jerichowasahoax> tyil: i promise it works
[07:28] <tyil> I've been counting time for the past half hour, doesn't seem to solve apt being garbage
[07:28] <Flannel> tyil: Initially you said that a package unity-scope-drive was causing problems.  I don't see that in the repos.  Where did you get that?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> tyil: apt isnt garbage, you scrambled your own system somehow
[07:29] <alkisg> tyil: "- I slipped on a banana and I fell. - Let me help you up! - No I don't want your f*** help because someone is responsible for the banana and I want them punished". ==> OK, I won't help you up.
[07:29] <tyil> Flannel: I have no clue, I dont even use unity, I use xmonad, maybe some part of apt could be persuaded to answer the question if we sacrifice some goats
[07:29] <MonoMonkey> Hey guys, I'm currently faced with a server that's missing loads and loads of updates. So before I do dist-upgrade, I wanted to make a backup of the OS, so I can revert to it in case anything goes wrong. For that, I wanted to do an image of the disk with dd. Disk size is 250 GB, but only 8GB of that are used. It takes incredibly long because with dd, I'm copying all the empty parts of the disk as well. Any
[07:30] <MonoMonkey> other suggestions?
[07:30] <tyil> lotuspsychje: apt is most definately garbage, the only package manager to break pretty much always
[07:30] <tyil> not even pacman breaks this often
[07:30] <Flannel> tyil: That package doesn't exist, so... you must have installed some additional repository or something.  Lets find out what that is.  Can you please pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[07:30] <jerichowasahoax> tyil: so do you actually want ubuntu support or are you a disguised shill from some other distro
[07:30] <CoderEurope> tyil, /i feel you pal. Consider a sh*t umbrella.
[07:30] <CoderEurope> https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/10-hard-truths-about-management-no-one-tells-you
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: thats offtopic
[07:31] <tyil> alkisg: "I want to install X" -> ubuntu shits itself -> "No just roll back completely" is more of a course thats taken here, whereas I wanted to install this particular package, that apt cant deal with and decides to just stop working altogether
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> MonoMonkey: there is #ubuntu-server if you like
[07:31] <tyil> jerichowasahoax: I actually want apt to work and have kde installed
[07:31] <Flannel> tyil: Can you please pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[07:31] <tyil> not one or the other
[07:31] <MonoMonkey> lotuspsychje: ah thanks!
[07:32] <alkisg> tyil: if your problem is that you are using a bad repository, YOU are to blame, and UNDOING is the correct thing to do, then REMOVING the bad source, and then saying THANKS and SORRY
[07:32] <Flannel> alkisg: Please stop.
[07:32] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/eqv9
[07:32] <tyil> alkisg: if a package manager fucking destroys itself completely when you're trying to use the most common command for it, then the package manager is absolute fucking trash
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> !language | tyil
[07:33] <tyil> I have yet to experience this kind of garbage behaviour with pacman, emerge or urpmi
[07:33] <tyil> why can every other package manager handle installation properly, except apt?
[07:33] <Flannel> Lets not get carried away here.  tyil, the current situation *appears* to be that you've driven your car into a lake, and are now complaining when it refuses to start while under water.  So, calm down and lets get this fixed.
[07:34] <MonoMonkey> tyil: So far apt has served me perfectly well, aside from that, I don't think complaining about it on here will help you solve your problem any quicker
[07:34] <Flannel> tyil: It's not apts fault that you have extra third-party packages that are conflicting with the ones in the repository.  If anything, you should be complaining to the third-party packagers.
[07:34] <tyil> MonoMonkey: doesnt seem like apt problems get fixed no matter where you complain anyway, so that includes here, yes
[07:34] <Flannel> tyil: But again, that's not important, lets fix this.
[07:35] <jerichowasahoax> it's like that webcomic. "i don't want a solution. i want to be mad."
[07:35] <Flannel> jerichowasahoax: Please stop.  Thanks.
[07:35] <tyil> I want apt to be capable ;)
[07:35] <jerichowasahoax> Flannel: I'm sorry, but I've yet to be convinced that his intentions are entirely altruistic.
[07:35] <alkisg> +1
[07:35] <tyil> >apt breaks
[07:35] <Flannel> jerichowasahoax, alkisg: Then go somewhere else and complain.  Thanks.
[07:36] <tyil> >someone is frustrated by this
[07:36] <CoderEurope> how about Lets make Ubuntu practico ?
[07:36] <tyil> >HE MUST BE A SHILL FOR ANOTHER DISTRO
[07:36] <alkisg> Flannel: no, go somewhere else to support trolls
[07:36] <tyil> I kinda want to have kde available, thats all
[07:36] <tyil> and I chose to try it on me desktop (ubuntu) because I dont have the time to compile it before work on my laptop (gentoo)
[07:37] <tyil> now my desktop broke, and it's frustrating because apt is nowhere near as helpful as portage in troubleshoootig
[07:37] <Flannel> tyil: Alright, you've got a bunch of pastes up there and I'm not sure where we stand.  So lets just try again and get a new error.  Can you pastebin the results of `apt-get --simulate install kubuntu-desktop`
[07:37] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/z5oy
[07:39] <Flannel> tyil: Alright, now `apt-cache policy kde-config-telepathy-accounts kde-telepathy-minimal unity-scope-gdrive account-plugin-google`
[07:39] <Kon-> Is he trying to install KDE from Ubuntu GNOME?
[07:39] <tyil> Flannel: https://cry.nu/p/1vd9
[07:40] <tyil> Kon-: no, this is mainline ubuntu 16.04
[07:40] <Kon-> tyil, why not start with Kubuntu 16.04?
[07:40] <tyil> because I dont have kubuntu installed
[07:40] <tyil> and installing a whole new OS just to try out another DE for a couple days sounds pretty silly
[07:41] <tyil> especially if there's a package manager available that *should* be able to just install the package
[07:41] <samcv> that sounds pretty reasonable tyil
[07:41] <Flannel> tyil: Again, this problem is NOT caused by apt.  It's caused by your third party repositories.  We're just not sure which one yet.
[07:41] <Flannel> tyil: So please, stop complaining for the duration of this.  Because you don't actually appear to understand the problem.
[07:43] <Flannel> tyil: pastebin `apt-get --simulate install kde-telepathy-minimal kde-config-telepathy-accounts`.  We're just going to keep following the "not going to be installed" chain down until we find the culprit.
[07:43] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/c93q
[07:45] <Flannel> tyil: Did you include kde-config-telepathy-accounts in that?
[07:45] <tyil> yes
[07:45] <krocos> Flannel, unity-scope-gdrive
[07:46] <krocos> Maby just remove this?
[07:46] <Flannel> ok.  Those aren't the problematic ones then.  It's the other half.  Lets try `apt-get --simulate install unity-scope-gdrive account-plugin-google`
[07:47] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/4te0
[07:47] <krocos> Why yo try to install unity-scope-gdrive if "account-plugin-google but it is not going to be installed"?
[07:47] <tyil> I am not trying  to install unity-scope-gdrive
[07:47] <tyil> I dont use unity or gdrive
[07:48] <Flannel> tyil: Fine, lets just do `apt-get --simulate install account-plugin-google`
[07:48] <tyil> I'm  trying to follow Flannel's advice and not complain and just relay responses as requested though
[07:48] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/d720
[07:49] <Flannel> tyil: alright, now the same for kde-config-telepathy-accounts  (`apt-get --simulate install kde-config-telepathy-accounts`)
[07:49] <CoderEurope> tyil Is that a script to hack my computer ?
[07:49] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/nci4
[07:49] <Flannel> er, wait.
[07:49] <Flannel> We already did that before.
[07:50] <tyil> CoderEurope: not sure what script youre trying to refer to with this
[07:50] <CoderEurope> okay np
[07:50] <jerichowasahoax> tyil: if you're not using unity, or google drive, wouldn't it make sense to uninstall that package then anyway? because apt reports it's already installed
[07:50] <tyil> jerichowasahoax: if apt would let me, sure
[07:50] <tyil> I'm not sure why you think I haven't tried that yet
[07:51] <tyil> I came here clearly indicating apt didnt want to do anything anymore
[07:51] <Flannel> tyil: Nothing looks horribly broken so far, so lets do `sudo apt-get -f install` and see where that leads us.
[07:51] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/vuaw
[07:55] <Flannel> Hmm.
[07:56] <jerichowasahoax> well at least we know what apt's complaining about now
[07:56] <Flannel> Yeah, that file definitely is in both packages. That's a packaging error.
[07:56] <oerheks> this bug is still alive, since 2015 ...
[07:57] <tyil> oerheks: I was just informed by many people that this is not a bug, but a packaging error, most quite definately not a bug
[07:57] <oerheks> a package bug
[07:58] <Flannel> So, in the next ubuntu version, the KDE version is services/kde/google-im.service, but that won't help you in xenial.
[07:58] <tyil> I dont intend to go onto a non-LTS ubuntu version after The Last Try(tm)
[07:58] <Flannel> tyil: No, it is a bug.  It's just not an apt bug.  Apt is doing exactly what you want, not clobbering packages.
[07:58] <Flannel> It's just a matter of how best to work around this.
[07:58] <tyil> idk, the complete and utter refusal to do anything sounds like an apt issue
[07:59] <krocos> Maybe try to do it with aptitude with its conflict resolving options it зкщмшву?
[07:59] <tyil> it should check for the issue, refuse installation and still continue to be usable
[07:59] <krocos> Maybe try to do it with aptitude with its conflict resolving options it provides?
[08:01] <tyil> I've only heard of myths and legends that anyone was ever able to resolve a conflict in apt
[08:01] <Flannel> Looks like we can grab a package from backports to fix it.  But first we need to resolve the weirdness in apt.
[08:01] <Flannel> tyil: You're doing it again....
[08:03] <Flannel> tyil: Ok, so lets do this one step at a time.  If things complete OK, then you don't need to pastebin: sudo apt-get purge kde-config-telepathy-accounts
[08:03] <tyil> https://cry.nu/p/m8dx
[08:04] <tyil> also, I have to leave in 5 minutes
[08:05] <Flannel> tyil: Alright, so... In case we can't finish before you have to go, here's the link for next time, to get people caught up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1451728
[08:06] <Flannel> tyil: In the mean time, you can try `sudo dpkg --remove unity-scope-gdrive` and `sudo dpkg --remove account-plugin-google` and `sudo apt-get -f install`
[08:07] <Flannel> tyil: That should fix your package stuff.  To fix it long term, it looks like there's a package in xenial-backports that fixes it.  That bug report should provide enough information for the next people in here to help you.
[08:07] <tyil> that seems to do anything
[08:07] <oerheks> no errors is oke
[08:07] <Borw3> how to turn off animations in kde? or make it faster?
[08:08] <tyil> it still seems like a massive bug in apt to me, to completely break itself beyond use when trying to install a package, but I'll read up on that link and decide what to do when I get home
[08:08] <Flannel> tyil: Like I said, the next time you have time, people in here will be glad to help you finish.  I'm sorry we ran out of time today.
[08:09] <tyil> idk, seems like most people were mostly glad to inform me its 100% a user error, but we'll see
[08:09] <tyil> thanks for your help Flannel
[08:09] <tyil> I do appreciate the time you took for me
[08:09] <Flannel> tyil: That bug report is your shibboleet.
[08:21] <Hubbah> Heya, i've customized a ubuntu machine, i would like to make a copy of it to an iso that would be portable live-cd(usb). Anyone got any idea of software that would help me achive this? Or a guide.
[08:23] <hateball> !remaster
[08:24] <tyil> Flannel: I'm not sure what a shibboleet is
[08:24] <Flannel> tyil: it's ok.  Just provide that bug report.
[08:25] <Hubbah> hateball: but all those articles are only showing how to make a custom iso based on an iso. I've got mine fully setup with scripts and everything.
[08:25] <hateball> Hubbah: so you dont want it to be persistent? only liveboot into ramfs?
[08:27] <oerheks> uck is dead, IIRC, Cubic is current https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image
[08:29] <oerheks> and live cd is wrong in the title, it will be a DVD
[08:34] <Hubbah> hateball: yes, non-persistent
[08:38] <CoderEurope> Hubbah, use https://etcher.io/ to get ubuntu on your usb stick. np.
[08:40] <Hubbah> CoderEurope: yeah but i  don't just want any ubuntu. I want to compress my machine that is already running everything to a iso which i can put on a usb that is non-persistent. I.e reboot and all changes have been reverted.
[08:42] <hateball> Hubbah: Afraid I don't know how
[08:42] <Hubbah> :( It's okey, hopefully i search the right thing on google and it'll show me the way. Thanks anyway hateball
[08:43] <user___> Ok so I am trying to get from kernel 4.4.0-22-generic to kernel 4.4.0-109-generic and apt-get install gives me linux-image-4.4.0-109-generic is already the newest version.
[08:43] <user___> Any Ideas ? Thanks.
[08:44] <farruinn> Hubbah: Not sure this will help you exactly, but appears to be the recommended practice: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[08:44] <hanabishi> hello everyone
[08:44] <tyil> hi
[08:45] <Hubbah> yeah i'll check it out farruinn thanks
[08:46] <oerheks> user___, reboot, and you should get the newer kernel, else hold shift @ boot to select that kernel?
[08:51] <user___>  oerheks  doing that now.
[08:52] <user___> oerheks thanks that was it.  Funnily enough after running updates yesterday and then running the checkrestart from the debian-goodies I never actually restarted the server, just the services that needed it.
[08:53] <user___> oerheks Cheers mate!
[08:53] <oerheks> user___, have fun!
[08:56] <user___> !spectre
[08:58] <hz_> Hi. what tools can I use to debug an ethernet interface? i'm getting UP+RUNNING and negotiated/link ok and link status: yes on a port that has been disabled on the other end. my ubuntu box does not detect it going down at any point and still considers it up.
[09:01] <oerheks> hz_, socat, and there are tons more ... https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/50098/linux-network-troubleshooting-and-debugging
[09:01] <oerheks> hz_, is it blocked by any firewall perhaps?
[09:02] <hz_> oerheks: this port is being disabled on the switch, no firewall, direct connection from my machine to the switch. to ubuntu, it is still considered up instead of no carrier
[09:02] <hanabishi> tyil: hello
[09:02] <oerheks> hz_, bad cable?
[09:02] <hz_> doesn't seem like it based on testing while it was undisabled
[09:03] <hz_> have been trying to debug this for 2 days now. ubuntu apparently does not get any link changes, just always considers it up (packets stop being routed ofc)
[09:04] <hz_> the problem is that i cannot detect _any_ state change when this happens - ethtool is reporting Link detected: yes the entire time, mii-tool says negotiated, link ok
[09:09] <hz_> in /sys/class/net, the iface still reports operstate:up and carrier:1 when the port is disabled on the switch
[09:09] <oerheks> interface is up, but not seen on the switch.. try an other cable? or port?
[09:10] <oerheks> i guess you have tried that
[09:10] <hz_> the interface should not be up, is my problem
[09:10] <hz_> it should go down when the switch turns off my port
[09:13] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_: did you tried with different cable/switch/eth nic?
[09:13] <hz_> i do not control the hardware, but there are a dozen others on the same switch that don't have this issue
[09:14] <hz_> new cable has been tried though
[09:19] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_:is your machine connected directly to that switch or it's connected to an intermediate switch?
[09:21] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_: i'm assuming that you issued a ping command to another machine :D
[09:21] <hz_> when the port is disabled, i can't ping the gw
[09:21] <hz_> i was told it was directly to their gear
[09:22] <hz_> while i can theoretically detect state via just a continuous ping, for obvious reasons they have problems with this kind of setup
[09:28] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_: correct. you cant ping the gw while that port is disabled/disconnected.
[09:34] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_: did you try to disconnect the cable and see if your eth nic goes down ?
[09:38] <hz_> i do get notified when the cable is physically pulled.
[09:38] <hz_> but it never, ever will be for this in the future
[09:40] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_: so the eth nic is not faulty, nor the cable.
[09:41] <hz_> as far as i can tell, during testing i've gotten 0 ploss and can max out line rate easily, so i don't think anything is broken
[09:43] <hz_> my big problem right now is just that i can't figure out when the other end has shut down my switchport for technical or administrative reasons - the ethernet cable will never be unplugged physically during operation
[09:48] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_:maybe a script that check the connection, lets say at every 4h :D ?
[09:50] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_: cables are unplugged when a faulty device is making problems. or when someone disabled by mistake the port from admin interface
[09:54] <michael2> hi, does anyone know if Ubuntu 16.04's sytem which automounts devices containing LUKS containers automatically does the 'cryptsetup close /dev/mapper/foo'  command when my system shuts down?
[09:55] <hz_> Quetzlcoatl: that isn't acceptable - i'm expected to know when my port has gone down is the problem, and that seems like a reasonable thing to know
[09:56] <zomaar> michael2: You can check the service that is automatically generated for it
[09:58] <zomaar> michael2: The service that uses /lib/systemd/systemd-cryptsetup
[09:58] <moppy> I have Trusty running a Samba server. I am getting very slow shared folder refresh on clients (mac and ubuntu clients).
[09:58] <michael2> zomaar: you mean a daemon is started when the automount is done? how do I check it on shutdown - the system will be going through shutdown sequences, I can interupt that - to run lsblk - can I?
[09:59] <zomaar> I cannot check on my own system, sorry
[09:59] <zomaar> Try to do "sudo systemctl | grep crypt"
[09:59] <zomaar> There should be an "......@<name>.service"
[10:00] <zomaar> Then you can do "systemctl show .......@<name>"
[10:00] <zomaar> Most likely it will execute as you say
[10:00] <michael2> sure, I can check. but basically you are saying I should find  a running daemon for crypt-setup automount ?
[10:01] <zomaar> not a running daemon, a running service
[10:03] <zomaar> And this service may not execute cryptsetup, but /lib/systemd/systemd-cryptsetup
[10:05] <gt8ost4l> van anybody help me a just reinstalled ubnutu 17.10 and i got no sound?
[10:05] <zomaar> No sound today, my love has gone away
[10:07] <Quetzlcoatl> hz_: monitoring network devices/computers from your network can be achieved by using a dedicated software solution(open source) like zabbix, icinga, nagios, libre nms and so on.
[10:07] <michael2> zomaar: I think I understand now. A systemd managed service (equivalent to the /etc/init.d scripts) which I can somehow query? I know when a systemd service is configure to _start_ on boot, systemd says its "enabled". but how do you find out if systemd will safely unmount a luks container its managing? ive tried: sudo systemctl status cryptsetup.target
[10:08] <zomaar> No I am sorry for not knowing the service name
[10:08] <zomaar> But the target is not the service
[10:08] <zomaar> If your LUKS container would be called sda5_crypt
[10:08] <zomaar> Then there must be a generated service called systemd-cryptsetup@sda5_crypt.service or something of the kind
[10:09] <zomaar> By doing systemctl show on this service you can find out its ExecStop action
[10:10] <zomaar> You could check in /run/systemd/generator.late/
[10:11] <michael2> when I run sudo systemctl, I can see an entry like this:
[10:11] <michael2> cryptsetup.target    loaded active active    Encrypted Volumes
[10:12] <zomaar> It's in /run/systemd/generator/
[10:13] <michael2> the ExecStop action? ill check now
[10:15] <nazarewk> so i want to PXE boot Ubuntu Cloud image, where can i find info on it?
[10:15] <dhakad> hi
[10:16] <michael2> hmm I tried grep -Ri stop /run/systemd/generator  and generator.late  and no results
 Then there must be a generated service called systemd-cryptsetup@sda5_crypt.service or something of the kind
[10:18] <zomaar> [11:09] <zomaar> By doing systemctl show on this service you can find out its ExecStop action
[10:20] <michael2> ok ill keep looking
[10:21] <zomaar> I hope you don't mean USB attached devices or devices you double-click on though
[10:21] <zomaar> I am talking about base system encryption.
[10:22] <zomaar> I thought you were talking about "Encrypted LVM" as you can install your system.
[10:23] <michael2> zomaar: ah yeah, USB attached devices. I assumed the encrypted $HOME would - of course be configured to detach the encryption mapper on shutdown right?
[10:23] <zomaar> Encrypted $HOME is not LUKS
[10:24] <zomaar> In any case I do not know what your particular desktop environment does
[10:24] <zomaar> Anything that's automounted is dismounted
[10:25] <michael2> yeah, I figured that would be the case
[10:25] <zomaar> Closing a container also does nothing significant, but think you can be assured it happens.
[10:27] <zomaar> Your entry is probably udisksctl but I cannot tell
[10:27] <michael2> zomaar: I've been in the middle of doing a git commit - and my laptop battery failed unexpectedly. and the git repo was with my $HOME, I assume the mapper didn't get a chance to disconnect properly. the commit seems to get corrupted. I pushed and broke the entire git repo history! so thesedays I want to be careful
[10:28] <zomaar> Mappers are only mappers though, it seems to me you suffered a delayed write problem
[10:29] <zomaar> By default Linux is configured to keep dirty pages in memory for up to 30 seconds.
[10:29] <zomaar> This is excessive as far as data-safety is concerned
[10:29] <zomaar> You can lower these values tremendously
[10:30] <zomaar> In /etc/sysctl.conf
[10:30] <zomaar> The mapper does not delay writing, and the mapping itself does not cause anything that can corrupt the volume
[10:30] <zomaar> Ie. it is just a mathematical mapping
[10:31] <zomaar> Closing it is significant for "holding" the device, but it does not matter on disk.
[10:31] <zomaar> If you want to make sure this doesn't happen again; that's difficult
[10:32] <zomaar> But you would tremendously have to lower vm.dirty_expire_centisecs
[10:33] <zomaar> And also lower vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs
[10:33] <michael2> so unexpected loss of power to system cant corrupt what has been written to disk through the mapper? you just might lose the last few seconds or minutes of work up until the power loss?
[10:33] <zomaar> Generally yes
[10:34] <zomaar> But if you interrupt some operation that is meant to be atomic
[10:34] <zomaar> Ext4 also had a problem, or still has a problem
[10:34] <zomaar> With the journal being written first, and the actual data being written later
[10:34] <zomaar> I don't remember
[10:35] <zomaar> It was sortof solved later down the road
[10:35] <zomaar> But ext4 is/was less safe than ext3
[10:35] <zomaar> https://lwn.net/Articles/322823/
[10:36] <michael2> yeah, I guess the hard disk controller cant know when an  atomic transaction" is complete or not - but a program which is written to be sensitive to disk journaling should be safe right?
[10:36] <zomaar> The program doesn't know the memory is not yet written to disc unless it uses "fsync" operations
[10:37] <zomaar> You really have to disable the dirty pages cache
[10:37] <zomaar> If you want it to never happen
[10:37] <zomaar> And then still
[10:38] <zomaar> syncing a disk (writing the dirty pages) is normally a very expensive operation
[10:38] <michael2> when you say dirty pages cache you mean the disk controllers buffer/cache usually something like 32MB- the data waiting to be physically written
[10:38] <zomaar> No
[10:38] <zomaar> I mean the RAM of your computer
[10:39] <michael2> oh right
[10:40] <michael2> yeah, there are no guarantees
[10:40] <zomaar> Trying to find some stats
[10:41] <zomaar> If you do cat /proc/vmstat | grep nr_dirty you will see the number of pages currently not yet written to disk
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:43] <zomaar> I would advise you to change /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs to 500 anyway to ensure that after 5 seconds stuff gets written
[10:43] <michael2> I get about 31,000 and 15,000 ?
[10:43] <zomaar> And /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback-centisecs to 100 to ensure it checks every second
[10:44] <zomaar> Okay so try this
[10:44] <zomaar> echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; cat /proc/vmstat | grep nr_dirty
[10:45] <michael2> I get more or less the same values
[10:45] <zomaar> I meant the first value you get
[10:45] <zomaar> Not the 2nd and 3rd
[10:46] <zomaar> You reported nr_dirty_threshold and nr_dirty_background_threshold, I didn't ask for that
[10:47] <zomaar> It would help if you were a little clearer ;-)
[10:48] <zomaar> Also that grep -Ri operation from earlier was not very sensical...
[10:48] <michael2> oh the first is 0. sorry
[10:48] <zomaar> Okay so that means no dirty pages now
[10:48] <zomaar> If you now start doing something it will go up
[10:49] <zomaar> Those are pages not on disk but the program thinks it has written them
[10:50] <zomaar> Anyway it has nothing to do with encryption
[10:50] <zomaar> Encryption merely introduces a very short delay in calculating the new value and after that it maps it to the harddisk
[10:50] <zomaar> After that it is completely identical to not using encryption
[10:50] <michael2> yeah, dirty pages havent yet reached the mapper right?
[10:51] <zomaar> They have, they haven't reached the harddisk
[10:51] <zomaar> I think
[10:51] <zomaar> In any case it's irrlevant
[10:51] <zomaar> You might be right but it's irrelevant
[10:52] <michael2> what was wrong with my grep command ?
[10:53] <michael2> you think I should have scanned   /lib/systemd/system/
[10:54] <michael2> when I run: sudo systemctl, I get a few screens of output. its hard to link that back to the service and configuration.
[10:54] <michael2> but maybe on shutdown systemd logs the unmounting?
[10:54] <michael2> so I can simply look at sysjournal? or /var/log/syslog?
[10:55] <zomaar> No I just asked you to check the existence of a file, not grep an entire directory
[10:55] <zomaar> If you had just reported that the file was not there, I would have understood that you were using a different kind of mapping
[10:56] <michael2> oh ok
[10:56] <zomaar> Or if you had just reported that the service was not there
[10:56] <zomaar> Instead of giving me the target
[10:57] <zomaar> Would have saved some time here in any case...
[10:58] <michael2> sorry Im not fully experienced with systemd
[10:58] <zomaar> No the point is you did not report back the output of the commands I gave
[10:59] <zomaar> But anyway
[10:59] <zomaar> Mapper has nothing to do with it but I am going to have to quit this
[11:00] <michael2> no problem. thanks for the help
[11:01] <zomaar> Also $HOME is not using LUKS but eCryptFS
[11:04] <ThinkT510> just installed 17.10.1 and my wifi won't turn on. Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 32). lsmod shows ath, ath10k_core, ath10k_pci all loaded. I suspect win10 has done something on the hardware level. Do I use rfkill?
[11:06] <oerheks> ThinkT510, could well be win10, holding wifi occupied, did you disable fastboot?
[11:06] <ThinkT510> yes
[11:08] <oerheks> what does ' rflkill list all' give as output?
[11:09] <ThinkT510> oerheks: brilliant, thanks. Shows wlan as hard blocked
[11:09] <oerheks> ThinkT510, laptop?
[11:09] <zomaar> ThinkT510: Check whether there is not a switch button
[11:09] <oerheks> then there could be a FN + wifi function on the keyboard = hardware switch
[11:10] <zomaar> michael2: As to your last question systemd-journald does not keep logs of the previous boot by default
[11:11] <zomaar> michael2: You have to sudo mkdir /var/log/journal to enable that
[11:11] <michael2> previous shutdown is what I would need to watch right?
[11:11] <zomaar> Michael2: Yes but the problem is after your root has dismounted it won't write anything anymore
[11:12] <zomaar> And I think it already stops writing when journald gets shut down so....
[11:12] <zomaar> Not sure it will help
[11:12] <zomaar> (Just systemd nonsense I guess, Idk)
[11:14] <ThinkT510> oerheks: yes, lenevo Y910
[11:14] <ThinkT510> oerheks: struggling to find anything resembling wifi
[11:28] <moppy> I have Trusty running a Samba server. I am getting very slow shared folder refresh on clients (mac and ubuntu clients).
[11:40] <royal_screwup21> I created an export variable like so in my .bashrc: "export HADOOP_HOME=/usr/local/hadoop/" My understanding is that if I type cd HADOOP_HOME, I'd be able to go into the directory assigned, for any child process...But it's not working; cd HADOOP_HOME yields "no file or directory". What am I doing wrong?
[11:42] <Ben64> cd $HADOOP_HOME
[11:42] <royal_screwup21> holy shit
[11:42] <BanHammor> Hi! what's the standard procedure for if grub OS scan doesn't detect an earlier Windows install?
[11:42] <royal_screwup21> thank ye Ben64
[11:44] <oerheks> os-prober # should detect any other OS
[11:45] <SimonNL> windows hibernated maybe ?
[11:45] <oerheks> SimonNL +1
[11:45] <SimonNL> I'm pretty good at guessing.
[11:47] <BluesKaj> it should still see the partition
[11:47] <oerheks> maybe windows is not in the main menu in grub ?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> BanHammor, did you just install ubuntu ?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> just now that is
[11:50] <BanHammor> well, the user i'm helping did. I thought grub would run OS probing on first install.
[11:50] <BanHammor> i'm just about through with guiding them to sudo update-grub, maybe that'll work
[11:53] <BanHammor> yyyup that worked
[11:53] <BanHammor> any idea why it didn't do this out of the box?
[11:59] <roopkumar> hi
[11:59] <roopkumar> is there anyone ?
[12:00] <roopkumar> hello
[12:02] <BluesKaj> BanHammor, if you had a previous grub then the insataller may not have looked for windows during the grub install, that's just a guess
[12:03] <BanHammor> meh, whatever. Thanks!
[12:04] <xs2> what is the pkg name for Python's `venv` on Ubuntu?
[12:04] <xs2> Python 2
[12:11] <BluesKaj> xs2, look in the package manager, depends which ubuntu version is using which python version
[12:12] <stumper_> im on ubuntu-gnome 16.04 and i am asked for my credentials twice ? anyone an idea  ?
[12:12] <stumper_> (logon)
[12:14] <royal_screwup21> if I do this: "$HADOOP_HOME/bin/hadoop version" -- stuff gets printed out on the command line, as expected. But if I cd into $HADOOP_HOME/bin and THEN type "hadoop version", I get "hadoop: command not found". What am I missing here?
[12:14] <jimb_> ./hadoop version
[12:15] <royal_screwup21> ah holy shit thanks jimb_
[12:15] <jimb_> yw
[12:15] <royal_screwup21> jimb_: so basically haddop was an executable...
[12:15] <royal_screwup21> hadoop*
[12:16] <jimb_> Yeah. Any executable that isn't in your path, needs to have the path expressed. using './' says the path is th directory you are currently in
[12:16] <hsiktas> royal_screwup21: without ./ is it just looking into your $PATH and not the current directory
[12:17] <royal_screwup21> alrighty thanks guys
[12:18] <Radkos> hello I'm needing some of the dev .a files do you know where I can find them
[12:18] <Radkos> for instance I need libpulse.a  I've installed libpulse-dev but no luck other packages had done well
[12:19] <Radkos> ld -lpulse shows it needs _start point which means I need .a file and it's definitely not on my system
[12:19] <dreamcat4> .a is a static lib file right?
[12:19] <dreamcat4> there are library search paths the system looks in
[12:20] <Radkos> yes
[12:21] <Radkos> It's nowhere in my system I've set find to look in all the directories
[12:21] <Radkos> maybe i should check the deb file coming with
[12:22] <dreamcat4> yeah
[12:22] <oerheks> found @ jb-dev https://android.googlesource.com/platform/prebuilts/gcc/linux-x86/host/x86_64-linux-glibc2.7-4.6/+/jb-dev
[12:22] <oerheks> not an ubuntu dev, but for android
[12:23] <jimb_> What I am reading from the pulseaudio changelog is that they created the option of "--enable-static" to force the creation of the .a file you seek during compilation
[12:23] <dreamcat4> yeah a lot of times .a files arent distributed
[12:26] <Radkos> yep not in my system
[12:26] <dreamcat4> Radkos: libtool is the program that creates library files during compilation ---> https://stackoverflow.com/a/1238079/287510
[12:26] <Radkos> not in the package so do I have to compile all those libraries by myself
[12:27] <dreamcat4> static libs '.a' files are usually linked into ---> incorporated into the executable binary
[12:27] <dreamcat4> unless there are multiple build targets (binaries) sharing the same static lib
[12:28] <zomaar> But there is not a lot of point installing them in a shared system
[12:28] <zomaar> :)
[12:28] <zomaar> Cause they'd be shared libraries
[12:28] <Guest35428> I have a kernel module I'm upgrading across multiple Ubuntu 14.04 machines all running the same kernel.  Can I package the precompiled module or is dkms still the recommended approach?
[12:29] <zomaar> You can package if you want
[12:29] <zomaar> It depends solely on the headers
[12:29] <zomaar> It would be the same as a pre-installed module
[12:30] <dreamcat4> you know Radkos sometimes a program might print some output asking for a '.a'... but other library type (for example .so) will alternatively be ok
[12:30] <zomaar> Otoh if you package for DKMS you get a module you can keep across a kernel upgrade on all of those machines
[12:31] <zomaar> So the extra work for DKMS pays itself off if you create .deb packages anyway
[12:33] <Radkos> ok I got to somewhere near close to completing it
[12:33] <Guest35428> Yeah I initially wanted to so dkms but I would need to use a gcc version not in the Ubuntu repos which made me feel a little iffy
[12:33] <ktonga> g'day people
[12:34] <ktonga> im trying to setup my ubuntu laptop with encryption following https://vitobotta.com/2018/01/11/ubuntu-full-disk-encryption-manual-partitioning-uefi/
[12:34] <ktonga> but im struggling at a step when I have to modify some files after running the installer
[12:34] <Radkos> after I've installed libtool as suggested
[12:35] <ktonga> as i understand it the just installed system should be under /target
[12:35] <ktonga> but the folder is empty
[12:35] <zomaar> ktonga: Then the installer has already dismounted
[12:35] <Radkos> I may manually link some opencv libraries and lets see what happens because installing them from the package manager causes dependency issues with ffmpeg-dev files
[12:35] <zomaar> ktonga: You can mount back using mount /dev/ubuntu-vg/root /target, for instance
[12:36] <ktonga> when i try to open the luks device it says is already mounted
[12:36] <zomaar> The LUKS is not closed
[12:36] <zomaar> But the volume has been dismounted
[12:36] <ktonga> oh
[12:36] <frostschutz> ktonga, is it necessary? seems like what you end up with is what the installer would have done anyway?
[12:37] <Guest35428> So I figured I could just package a precompiled one.  So since the module I'm replacing is already packaged and in use by the kernel would I need to do a rmmod on the module dependencies + module then overwrite the .ko driver in the kernel path or just do a insmod on the new module and have that handle it
[12:38] <ktonga> frostschutz you mean if that step is necessary?
[12:38] <zomaar> You cannot insert the same module twice
[12:38] <zomaar> It will have the same name
[12:38] <zomaar> So you have to rmmod, or reboot
[12:39] <frostschutz> ktonga, I'm asking if that blog post as a whole is necessary, what's different compared to Ubuntu's default encrypted install? Ubuntu does LUKS and LVM by default
[12:39] <saberu> hi can someone help me with a small problem? I setup a chrooted user and i'm SFTPing in but it says access denied to root, however it still lets me access subdirectories
[12:39] <saberu> it's just inconvenient and I'm trying to change permissions of root with chmod but anything else and i can't even connect it
[12:39] <ktonga> i have to keep osx and the encryptio option is using full disk :(
[12:40] <saberu> anything other than chmod 750 and ssh doesn't let it connect
[12:40] <zomaar> (that was quite duh, frostschutz)
[12:41] <zomaar> Anyway ktonga you only have to remount and then you can fix the crypttab etc
[12:41] <frostschutz> ktonga, k, have fun. the blog post you linked also describes a full disk install, though. ;)
[12:42] <zomaar> Remember the installer does not know about your LUKS, but it does know about your root filesystem
[12:42] <ktonga> the diference is that all the partition creation is manual so i get to create everything in the unused space i made after shrinking osx partion
[12:43] <ktonga> i called my group system
[12:43] <ktonga> and created volumes for root and home
[12:43] <zomaar> Then it's /dev/system/root
[12:44] <ktonga> so i gues i have to mount root on /target and home on /target/home right?
[12:44] <Guest35428> Yeah I ran into that insmod error before now that you mentioned it.  I ended up getting frustrated on my first attempt and just overwrote the module...pretty dumb thing to do haha
[12:44] <zomaar> Yes but home is unnecessary
[12:44] <zomaar> For what you are doing
[12:44] <ktonga> sunno if home is needed to perform such steps tho
[12:44] <zomaar> Idk, unloading modules in a running system can also be annoying, e.g. samba ;-)
[12:44] <ktonga> sure
[12:45] <ktonga> will give it a go, thanks !
[12:45] <zomaar> You only have to create /etc/crypttab and then generate the initramfs and grub config, unless you are doing something special
[12:45] <ktonga> it's pretty much just that what im missing
[12:46] <zomaar> Right, good luck
[12:46] <zomaar> Also
[12:46] <zomaar> Ehm
[12:46] <zomaar> The installer has a bug when it cannot install grub
[12:46] <zomaar> Did your grub installation fail or succeed?
[12:47] <saberu> can someone help me with file permissions for my apache2 web server? For some reason even though it will open the html page it says permission denied for the images in the images directory
[12:47] <saberu> but permissions are identical*
[12:47] <saberu> nm fixed it xD
[12:48] <ktonga> everything when smootly i guess, straight to the reboot popup which i closed
[12:48] <zomaar> That took like 20 seconds ;-)
[12:48] <zomaar> Alright then it's okay
[12:51] <ktonga> do i also have to mount efi partition on /boot/efi?
[12:51] <zomaar> Yes
[12:51] <zomaar> I would think so
[12:51] <zomaar> But not sure if you do not install Grub itself, but I would assume yes
[12:52] <Guest35428> eh I guess it doesn't matter since we are rebooting to upgrade the kernel anywhoo awesome thanks zomaar!
[12:52] <ktonga> i have a separate partition for boot
[12:52] <ktonga> do i have to mount first the partition in /boot?
[12:52] <zomaar> That also needs to be mounted
[12:52] <zomaar> Sorry I forgot for a second that that is necessary in the standard method
[12:53] <zomaar> Mount /dev/system/root in /target, your boot in /target/boot, your efi etc, and then your dev, run, proc and sys
[12:53] <ktonga> it would be nice to have an option in the installer for guided with encryption using free space only
[12:54] <zomaar> That's a whole lot I know but then you can chroot
[12:54] <ktonga> to many steps to remember
[12:54] <ktonga> can i do it now after changing root?
[12:54] <zomaar> It would be nice if chroot itself had that option.....
[12:55] <zomaar> Inside the chroot?
[12:55] <ktonga> ok will unmount and start over :)
[12:55] <zomaar> Oh, yes you can do it in a different shell
[12:55] <zomaar> Outside the chroot
[12:55] <zomaar> No not necessary
[12:55] <ktonga> oh i can ?
[12:55] <ktonga> ok
[12:55] <ktonga> lemme try
[12:55] <zomaar> In a different shell
[12:56] <zomaar> I often copy stuff into chroots I am already in, or out of it
[12:56] <ktonga> but mount in /target/boot right?
[12:56] <zomaar> Yes
[12:56] <zomaar> Outside the chroot it is /target/boot
[12:56] <zomaar> Inside it is /boot
[12:57] <ktonga> which one do you recommend?
[12:59] <ktonga> did it inside chroot and seemed to work just fine
[13:00] <zomaar> Oh you are right
[13:00] <zomaar> If you already have /dev
[13:00] <ktonga> dev was there
[13:00] <ktonga> i was able to mount both partitions
[13:01] <ktonga> rebooting fingers crossed
[13:02] <t3kg33k> Greetings!
[13:02] <zomaar> Having included /boot is even more steps
[13:02] <zomaar> You don't even want to know how many more steps it requires to include /boot in the encrytion ;-)
[13:03] <t3kg33k> Anyone know if there is a good way/tool to sniff your home network traffic to trace MDNS packets?
[13:03] <ktonga> i do
[13:03] <t3kg33k> Apparently, there is a recent issue with Google devices on your network causing Wi-Fi issues
[13:03] <ktonga> started with oficial guide from ubuntu wiki
[13:04] <zomaar> Oh great, mDNS mayhem, I love that
[13:04] <ktonga> and gave up and decided to try unencrypted boot
[13:04] <zomaar> Oh okay
[13:04] <zomaar> I didn't know there was a guide for it
[13:04] <ktonga> no luck :(
[13:04] <zomaar> Bad guide then ;-).
[13:04] <ktonga> (initramfs) prompt :(
[13:05] <zomaar> I have had encrypted boot on so many systems...
[13:05] <zomaar> I can almost dream those steps
[13:06] <ktonga> lucky you :) it would mean the world to me getting just one working :D
[13:06] <zomaar> Yeah not lucky
[13:06] <zomaar> I have had thousands of initramfs prompts
[13:07] <zomaar> Haha
[13:07] <zomaar> Cause I'm often forgetful
[13:07] <t3kg33k> tcpdump perhaps a good tool to sniff our mdns traffic on a network?
[13:07] <zomaar> And always manage to miss at least one important step
[13:07] <zomaar> t3kg33k: I would assume, it uses a standard port, but it depends on what you want to do with it
[13:07] <tcpdump> http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Jan-0-2018/AllStarElite_7x98f0d7_16/index-landing.html
[13:08] <tcpdump> pretty good deal on storage if anyones interested
[13:08] <zomaar> tcpdump awakens
[13:08] <t3kg33k> uh....
[13:08] <zomaar> Now your problems are solved
[13:08] <t3kg33k> what did I do?
[13:08] <tcpdump> t3kg33k: yes, you can use tcpdunp to capture mdns traffic.
[13:09] <zomaar> You wrote his name and it gave a beep ...
[13:09] <tcpdump> but really  Iwas just sharing the good deals anyhow. :)
[13:09] <zomaar> :)
[13:10] <tcpdump> Its  -5 degrees here
[13:10] <tcpdump> I was already awake. :)
[13:10] <t3kg33k> good. it seems to be working
[13:10] <t3kg33k> I'm seeing a lot of mdns traffic on Fire TV stick too
[13:10] <zomaar> My first encounter with mdns was also having to filter it out of a firewall
[13:10] <ktonga> is there a way to know what's the problem ? i run exit command as some people suggest to see the boot problem but nothing
[13:11] <zomaar> ktonga: Did the key get copied?
[13:11] <zomaar> ktonga: Did the root fs activate?
[13:11] <zomaar> ktonga: I assume the key was in /key.bin or something, was it there?
[13:12] <ktonga> i never was aske for the passphrase
[13:12] <zomaar> Then you didn't have an encrypted grub
[13:12] <zomaar> I mean it means your boot was not encrypted
[13:13] <ktonga> that's the idea i thought
[13:13] <zomaar> Because you cannot have encrypted boot, and still have initramfs prompt, but no grub encryption prompt
[13:13] <ktonga> encrypt onle root and home but not boot
[13:13] <zomaar> Wait what, what are you doing
[13:13] <zomaar> Did you successfully boot now?
[13:14] <tcpdump> t3kg33k: whats the actual issue with MDNS?  Shit tons of devices generate it, its pretty normal.
[13:14] <ktonga> nope, it wont boot ofter restarting
[13:14] <zomaar> There's some Chromecast issue
[13:14] <zomaar> So are you in the prompt now?
[13:14] <ktonga> and i didn't have to enter pass at any point during boot
[13:14] <ktonga> (initramfs)
[13:14] <zomaar> Did you run update-initramfs -u?
[13:15] <zomaar> Before rebooting?
[13:15] <ktonga> yup
[13:15] <zomaar> Okay
[13:15] <t3kg33k> Not just Chromecast but most Google devices. Articles were popping up all over yesterday
[13:15] <zomaar> Run /sbin/lvm lvs
[13:15] <ylwghst> Hi
[13:15] <ylwghst> i'm trying to load setpci.mod grub module
[13:16] <ktonga> failed to connect to lvmetad
[13:16] <zomaar> Cause mDNS is such an awesome technology
[13:16] <ylwghst> the module is present in /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/setpci.mod
[13:16] <zomaar> Not necessarily a problem
[13:16] <zomaar> Any output?
[13:16] <ylwghst> but I get
[13:16] <ylwghst> insmod: ERROR: could not load module setpci: No such file or directory
[13:17] <zomaar> ylwghst: Require modprobe
[13:17] <ylwghst> when I run update-grub
[13:17] <ylwghst> zomaar: how?
[13:17] <ktonga> it's a WARNING tho
[13:17] <zomaar> ylwghst: never mind
[13:17] <zomaar> ktonga: I ask about the other output
[13:17] <ktonga> i'll try to boot in recovery
[13:18] <ktonga> otherwise i just see the kubuntu logo during boot
[13:18] <zomaar> ktonga: Come on, does it gives a listing of volumes or not?
[13:18] <ktonga> no
[13:18] <ktonga> nothing
[13:18] <ktonga> just a single line with  a warning
[13:18] <zomaar> Recovery won't help because you won't have a root filesystem
[13:18] <zomaar> Type ls /dev/mapper
[13:19] <zomaar> See if your luks device is in there
[13:19] <ktonga> control
[13:19] <ktonga> just that
[13:19] <zomaar> Then it's not there
[13:19] <zomaar> Type cryptsetup open /dev/sda5 (or whatever) sda5_crypt
[13:20] <zomaar> Your crypttab must be faulty
[13:20] <ktonga> that's the exact partion :)
[13:20] <zomaar> I don't need laurels :)
[13:20] <zomaar> Just get going
[13:21] <zomaar> Btw, version is 16.04?
[13:21] <ktonga> i dont have cryptsetup in this prompt it seems
[13:21] <zomaar> No /sbin/cryptsetup?
[13:21] <ktonga> 17.0.1
[13:22] <ktonga> oh sorry didn't include /sbin
[13:22] <ktonga> no, with sbin i dont have it either
[13:23] <zomaar> I myself do not know what has changed with Zesty because they are trying to incorporate systemd into the initramfs
[13:23] <zomaar> On 16.04 it should normally copy cryptsetup into the initramfs
[13:24] <zomaar> Your only recourse is now to reboot into the live environment again
[13:24] <zomaar> And to make sure it gets copied
[13:24] <ktonga> will do
[13:24] <zomaar> But I don't know if everything will work out alright now
[13:24] <zomaar> Because I am ignorant about the new system
[13:24] <ktonga> i can run teh grub steps again
[13:25] <zomaar> Grub is fine
[13:25] <zomaar> Unless you booted the wrong initramfs
[13:25] <zomaar> But this is a new install right
[13:25] <zomaar> No other ubuntu there
[13:25]  * passwd eats grub.
[13:25] <ktonga> yes
[13:26] <zomaar> Reboot to live, cryptsetup open, get back into the chroot.....
[13:26] <ktonga> sure
[13:26] <zomaar> And first run lsinitramfs /boot/init* | grep cryptsetup
[13:27] <zomaar> Also show me the crypttab line
[13:30] <saberu> I'm getting permission denied with sftp on this chrooted account when i login via sftp
[13:30] <saberu> any ideas?
[13:34] <leftyfb> saberu: test with ssh and look at /var/log/auth.log
[13:35] <saberu> i looked at the auth log already and didn't see any errors that's why im stumped. I assume it must be a file/directory permissions error but already tried various chmod flags on the root directory etc
[13:38] <ktonga> zomaar grep cryptsetup does not find anything
[13:41] <zomaar> back
[14:05] <zomaar> ktonga: here
[14:05] <ktonga> zomaar: content for crypttab is `sda5_crypt UUID=628c1039-8a5b-49de-ba89-6a3530e2e7af none luks,discard`
[14:06] <ktonga> output for `blkid /dev/sda5` is:
[14:06] <ktonga> `/dev/sda5: UUID="628c1039-8a5b-49de-ba89-6a3530e2e7af" TYPE="crypto_LUKS" PARTUUID="862cf70f-bf4a-4586-86c7-f4476e00aeb2"`
[14:06] <zomaar> I assume your UUID is correct although discard is not directly required, I assume you have an SSD
[14:07] <ktonga> i just copypasted from the guide :(
[14:07] <zomaar> And what did lsinitramfs /boot/init* | grep cryptsetup give?
[14:07] <ktonga> dont really know the proper syntax for that file
[14:07] <ktonga> empty
[14:07] <ktonga> removed the grep and lot of output to double check
[14:08] <zomaar> So this is fun, Zesty changed something and now I can figure out what ;-)
[14:09] <zomaar> I don't even know if the cryptroot in initramfs is still the same
[14:09] <zomaar> I can get you the cryptsetup into the initramfs
[14:09] <zomaar> And the crypttab, but I don't know if it will be run
[14:10] <zomaar> On the other hand if we are still using initramfs we should be able to get it running anyway but it will be manual hacking
[14:12] <zomaar> In addition to that I don't know how to get you the password prompt
[14:12] <recursivebeats> Hi all :)
[14:13] <zomaar> If it works at all it may just give you a text prompt
[14:13] <zomaar> The full /boot encryption would at this point be a lot easier
[14:13] <koleon> Hello guys, once I set gather_facts: True then I'm getting following error FAILED! => {"msg": "module (setup) is missing interpreter line"} Could you help me with that please?
[14:13] <zomaar> But we can give it a shot if you want
[14:14] <ktonga> im open to anything
[14:14] <ktonga> i really dont know what to do
[14:14] <davidio> Hi, I use ubuntu 16.04. From the last 2 days i expereience screen freeze when using youtube. The whole screen freezes and i have to reboot the machine. This happens with firefox as well with chromium. What can i do ?
[14:14] <zomaar> First just run update-initramfs -u again
[14:14] <zomaar> And then the lsinitramfs line again
[14:14] <zomaar> Just to be sure
[14:15] <ktonga> i didnt run that command
[14:15] <ktonga> i run it with -ck all
[14:15] <zomaar> Oh
[14:15] <ktonga> in both guides it says so
[14:15] <zomaar> Shouldn't make a lot of difference but do it anyway
[14:16] <ktonga> so i should try -u?
[14:16] <zomaar> Yeah
[14:16] <zomaar> You only have 1 kernel and you don' t need to create it
[14:17] <recursivebeats> Does anyone have any idea how I refer to different drives in the terminal? I'm trying to change the data directory for a program using the command: "<progname> -datadir="XXX"    - where the "XXX" is needing to refer to a harddrive that ubuntu is not installed on
[14:17] <ktonga> indeed it finished with some warns for 4.13.0-25
[14:18] <zomaar> What warns
[14:18] <nils_> hey guys
[14:18] <zomaar> And repeat the lsinitramfs line plz
[14:18] <ktonga> now i do have cryptsetup
[14:18] <zomaar> Okay then it should boot now and we're done
[14:19] <zomaar> That makes life a lot easier
[14:19] <ktonga> rebooting now...
[14:20] <recursivebeats> Hi, is there anyone here that might be able to answer a question regarding using the terminal?
[14:21] <Southern_Gentlem> recursivebeats, more detail please
[14:21] <recursivebeats> I'm trying to change the data directory for a program using the command: "<progname> -datadir="XXX"    - where the "XXX" is needing to refer to a harddrive that ubuntu is not installed on
[14:21] <Southern_Gentlem> recursivebeats, more detail
[14:21] <recursivebeats> I can't figure out how to refer to the drive I'd like to put the data on
[14:22] <Southern_Gentlem> so where have you mounted that drive
[14:22] <Southern_Gentlem> is that drive in your computer like i have said details
[14:22] <recursivebeats> it's located (as far as I can tell) at "/media/"myname"/HDD2TBB/"foldername"
[14:23] <recursivebeats> however I can't make terminal recognise that as a valid location
[14:23] <Southern_Gentlem> so its an external drive you plugged into usb
[14:23] <recursivebeats> nope, physical hard-drive mounted oin the MOBO
[14:23] <recursivebeats> Sorry for noob-ness, I'm coming from windows
[14:23] <Southern_Gentlem> i am an winblows admin
[14:23] <recursivebeats> My system is a windows 10 / Ubuntu dual boot
[14:24] <Southern_Gentlem> mount |pastebin
[14:25] <recursivebeats> pastebin: command not found
[14:25] <Southern_Gentlem> mount |pastebinit
[14:26] <recursivebeats> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26398027/
[14:26] <recursivebeats> Aaah
[14:27] <recursivebeats> it shows them all here, same location I thought
[14:27] <Southern_Gentlem> cd /media/robbie/HDD2TB
[14:27] <Southern_Gentlem> what happens
[14:28] <recursivebeats> Yep, that works. I'm in the directory
[14:28] <Southern_Gentlem> ls -la |pastebinit
[14:29] <SubCool> Hey, whats with /home/usr/.private?
[14:29] <recursivebeats> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26398053/
[14:30] <SubCool> Mine is HUGE! - and its preventing me from booting properly
[14:31] <Southern_Gentlem> recursivebeats,  ok so what exactly are you trying to do
[14:31] <recursivebeats> change the data directory of the bitcoin core program
[14:31] <recursivebeats> the help file shows this:
[14:31] <recursivebeats> -datadir=<dir>
[14:32] <Southern_Gentlem> and what dir do you want to use
[14:32] <recursivebeats> so i type "bitcoind -datadir=/media/robbie/2TBHDD/bitcoin"
[14:32] <recursivebeats> Then it says no such directory exists
[14:33] <Southern_Gentlem> add a / at the end
[14:33] <Netwin> sudo openvpn --configure vpnbook-euro2-udp25000.ovpn
[14:33] <Netwin> Options error: Unrecognized option or missing parameter(s) in [CMD-LINE]:1: configure (2.3.10)
[14:33] <Netwin> .What am i missing?
[14:33] <recursivebeats> It still says that doesn't exist
[14:34] <recursivebeats> Do I need a "$" in there somewhere?
[14:34] <Southern_Gentlem> also maybe bitcoin doesnt like the permissions on the folders
[14:34] <Southern_Gentlem> since they are all owned by you
[14:34] <ironhoof> I tried installing fontforge PPA, but I keep getting the older fontforge when I reinstall. How do I fix this?
[14:34] <recursivebeats> So could I create a folder some other way that will allow for writing?
[14:35] <jimb_> Netwin: instead of --configure, please try --config
[14:35] <yossarianuk> hi - I have the latest 16.04 HWE kernel (4.13.0-26-generic) - when running the spectre-meltdown checker I can see Meltdown is 'fixed' - but  it is still showing 'IBRS enabled for Kernel space : No' - why is this ? I know retpoline support is coming soon but IBRS kernel support is included in other Distros (Centos7 for example)
[14:38] <recursivebeats> @Southern_Gentlem - I think I've done it
[14:39] <Netwin> jimb_, thanks sequence initiated but no internet
[14:39] <recursivebeats> It wouldn't let me navigate into the "bitcoin" folder on the drive using "cd" in terminal so I deleted it, used mkdir to create a new folder, and now the command to change the directory seems to have worked
[14:39] <recursivebeats> Thanks for the help man
[14:40] <jimb_> Netwin: I am not sure about your other settings, do you have any new rules in `route -n` ? Did you get any message about permissions or the need to use `sudo` ?
[14:41] <jimb_> Netwin: Sorry, I see you used sudo.
[14:43] <oerheks> irongeeks, for what ubuntu version ?
[14:43] <Radkos> hello again I've been trying to compile a static library by myself
[14:43] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontforge <> https://launchpad.net/~fontforge/+archive/ubuntu/fontforge
[14:44] <oerheks> oh, sorry irongeeks, ironhoofs left
[14:44] <Radkos>  for instance i'm trying to download libpulse with apt-get source libpulse
[14:45] <Radkos> but it can't find it in the repository
[14:45] <oerheks> libpulse-dev perhaps?
[14:46] <brainwash> did you enable "sources"?
[14:46] <ironhoof> I lost connection. Right after posting
[14:46] <Radkos> yes i did
[14:46] <Radkos> tried with libpulse-dev still no luck
[14:46] <oerheks> ironhoof,  for what ubuntu version ?
[14:46] <ironhoof> 16.04
[14:46] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontforge <> https://launchpad.net/~fontforge/+archive/ubuntu/fontforge
[14:47] <ironhoof> Awesome, I will try that.
[14:47] <Netwin> jimb_,why iam not getting my vpn connection
[14:47] <oerheks> not sure what version you have now ..
[14:48] <jimb_> Netwin: I am not sure. Did openvpn stay running or did it close? Can you pastebin the output? Is this a server you set up or are you using a paid/free service for the VPN?
[14:48] <Radkos> I know i can download it from the sourceforge repo or else but to ensure all dep are settled i would like to use the repo from the system
[14:49] <ironhoof> 16.04 I stick with LTS only
[14:49] <brainwash> Radkos: so, the deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list are not commented?
[14:50] <oerheks> ironhoof, version of fontforge*
[14:51] <ironhoof> 00:15
[14:51] <Netwin> jimb_, Yes the terminal was open until i cancelled it.iam on my ISP.iam using the free version VPN
[14:52] <jimb_> Can you run this... `route -n | nc termbin.com 9999`
[14:52] <Radkos> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep deb-src | sort -n; deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner; deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu trusty partner; deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main; # deb-src https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ trusty main
[14:52] <ironhoof> Oh wait I geuss it did update, it says 2017... odd.
[14:52] <oerheks> :-)
[14:53] <Radkos> it's not commented and apt is updated
[14:53] <Radkos> i mean apt-cache
[14:53] <ironhoof> Thanks Oerheks anyway!
[14:53] <brainwash> Radkos: that's all?
[14:54] <Radkos> yes it seems i have to add more to it doesn't it :D
[14:54] <Radkos> i'm curous what is precise partner doing here
[14:54] <Radkos> hmmmm as I'm on trusty versoin
[14:57] <brainwash> you've upgraded from precise, but that line was commented out, and therefore not switched to trusty
[14:57] <Radkos> actually i did not update from precise
[14:58] <brainwash> I guess that it's some legacy stuff then
[14:58] <brainwash> try to obtain a clean sources.list
[14:58] <brainwash> and compare them
[14:58] <Netwin> jimb_, http://termbin.com/2hxw
[14:58] <Radkos> anyway do i need to add deb-src for multiverse universe main and restricted
[14:59] <Radkos> to catch those source files
[14:59] <brainwash> yes
[14:59] <oerheks> Radkos, just go in the sources gui, and enable it there
[14:59] <oerheks> one click
[14:59] <brainwash> pulseaudio package should be in main
[15:00] <brainwash> packages
[15:00] <brainwash> you may also want to enable it for -updates and -security
[15:01] <brainwash> trusty has a newer pulseaudio version in main-updates
[15:01] <brainwash> newer package version I mean, not software version
[15:02] <ironhoof> I really like pulse audio. Once you understand it esp with the control panel it is really quick to switch everything out.
[15:02] <brainwash> that's the reason why it exists
[15:03] <ironhoof> Indeed
[15:40] <mark__> Hi all had quick question is there a way (preferably using compiz or terminal) to stop this annoying behaviour
[15:40] <mark__> https://imgur.com/a/mWqv1
[15:41] <mark__> the window minimises into this "line" like imho i really think its a bit useless also when doing keyboard shorcuts it normally happens accidentally
[15:41] <mark__> when switching windows*
[15:41] <mark__> *workspaces
[15:42] <mark__> anyone?
[15:43] <jimb_> mark__ I have seen this happen, very seldom, is it a KB shortcut that is causing it?
[15:43] <mark__> KB?
[15:43] <jimb_> keyboard
[15:43] <mark__> yes
[15:44] <jimb_> What is the keyboard shortcut?
[15:45] <mark__> jimb_: tbh
[15:45] <mark__> im not sure
[15:45] <mark__> it contians
[15:45] <mark__> contains CTRL + Windows Key (aka super)
[15:45] <mark__> and then one or more of the arrow keys
[15:46] <jimb_> mark__ Ok. I was going to suggest that you should be able to change the shortcut using compizconfig-settings-manager or such
[15:47] <jimb_> I use the CTRL-SUPER-ARROW keys all day long, it's not simply one of those combinations... maybe with a shift or something.
[15:48] <mark__> is there a way to prevent it in general
[15:48] <mark__> aka
[15:48] <mark__> stop the window from being able to be minimised beyond the title bar?
[15:48] <jimb_> I know the program in question can have a min window size set in it's source... thinking about Ubuntu in general
[15:48] <mark__> atleast that way if it happens i can see whwere the window is easily
[15:49] <mark__> jimb_: ok dw about it i will try to figure out what key it is
[15:49] <mark__> i mean i would normally checkout askubuntu.com its just i have no idea how to phrase the question in googlelol
[15:49] <mark__> check out*
[15:49] <jimb_> I am looking for "ubuntu set minimum window size"
[15:50] <jimb_> mark__ If you discover it, I would love to know as well
[15:50] <mark__> I will indeed let you know jimb_
[15:53] <mark__> https://askubuntu.com/a/944571/662944 jimb_  is all i found but basically no solution for it
[15:54] <jimb_> mark__ thanks.
[15:57] <mark__> jimb_: https://askubuntu.com/a/2645/662944 this implies a solution but compiz has removed the `Window rules` option under `Window Management` since I cannot find it
[15:58] <jimb_> mark__ lol, that's exactly where I am looking in compizConfig
[15:59] <oerheks> i think it is part of compiz-plugins-extra
[15:59] <mark__> jimb_: btw when i said they removed
[15:59] <mark__> i assumed. since it's not there
[16:00] <mark__> oo oerheks will give it a try
[16:00] <LTCD> Hey. I followed the advice in this thread, now I am unable to boot a VM without my whole computer crashing so badly I have to hold down the power key. Any help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/498900/vbox-on-14-04-kernel-driver-not-installed-rc-1908/499040?noredirect=1#comment1315833_499040
[16:00] <oerheks> mark as i see it here as descried, in 17.10
[16:01] <mark__> oerheks: you got it jimb_ download compiz-plugins-extra !!!
[16:01] <jimb_> mark__ I installed and see the Window Rules app now ! YAY
[16:01] <jimb_> oerheks Thank you.
[16:01] <mark__> however i lost the askubuntu page LOL
[16:02] <mark__> ah wait forgot i sent link here above :P
[16:06] <Netwin> jimb_, i would like to know if you are working on my issue ?
[16:07] <jimb_> Netwin: Yes, I posted a few things to grab the output from while connected to the VPN in the other channel. I can post again if needed
[16:07] <mocxz> hello
[16:08] <mocxz> anyone here
[16:09] <DocVell> I am but not good at answering questions about Ubuntu
[16:09] <mocxz> helo docvell
[16:09] <leftyfb> Netwin: if you're running Zorin, you should not be asking for help here. It's not supported.
[16:09] <jimb_> mocxz - If you have a question, you can just post it. If someone can help,. they will
[16:09] <Ajeesh> hi
[16:09] <leftyfb> !ask | mocxz
[16:10] <mocxz> thanks
[16:10] <DocVell> does Ubuntu work the same way to allow users to access another desktop remotely?
[16:10] <mark__> DocVell: i mean u can use stuff like teamviewer
[16:11] <mark__> the same way u can do in windows if you want
[16:11] <jimb_> DocVell - You can give others access to your desktop via 'Desktop Sharing' app... You can also control other computers desktops, I like Remmina for that
[16:11] <Ajeesh> Hi I am using Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS with kernel 4.2.0-38-generic. Can you please tell me do i have the latest patching for the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerability
[16:12] <nacc> Ajeesh: 4.2 is not supported
[16:12] <Ajeesh> @nacc so how can i update my kernel for this issue
[16:12] <Ajeesh> upgrade to 4.4 kernel ?
[16:12] <DocVell> I am thinking of getting a second laptop and I want to access it remotely
[16:14] <oerheks> Ajeesh, upgrade to 14.04.5 ?
[16:14] <oerheks> then install !hwe
[16:14] <Ajeesh> It is a production server ... so if i install linux-image-4.4.0-109-generic this kernel will fix the issue
[16:15] <nacc> Ajeesh: you want linux-image-generic
[16:15] <nacc> Ajeesh: not a specific numbered one
[16:16] <mark__> jimb_: is it just me but its basically working good with height
[16:16] <mark__> but terrible with width
[16:16] <mark__> like width i set to 1000 but its just ignoring it
[16:16] <jimb_> mark__ I haven't messed with it yet. I'll try now though
[16:17] <mark__> https://imgur.com/a/6JyDN jimb_
[16:17] <mark__> dont bother with title
[16:17] <mark__> if u want it to apply to all windows
[16:18] <Ajeesh> my ubuntu version is : Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS
[16:18] <mark__> ofc 10000 was just me testing but it basically doesnt do more that
[16:18] <Ajeesh> How can i upgrade to 4.04.5
[16:18] <oerheks> use the dist-upgrade way
[16:19] <oerheks> apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:19] <oerheks> and read the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/14.04.5
[16:20] <mark__> jimb_: lol so as i was moaning that it only works for like height and width only works for like 10 pixels...
[16:20] <mark__> i managed to make it not work AT ALL for width :(
[16:24] <jimb_> mark__ agreed, doesn't seem to be working as expected. I do suspect it will work, I figure I am either not doing something correctly or have another setting that is conflicting
[16:24] <mark__> yeah :(
[16:24] <mark__> i figured out
[16:25] <mark__> why it stopped working
[16:25] <mark__> but now
[16:25] <mark__> somethings in ubuntu just make me sad
[16:25] <mark__> although i love it
[16:25] <mark__> lol somethings are super annoying
[16:25] <mark__> lol
[16:25] <mark__> anyway gotta run have a nice dayy all
[16:26] <jimb_> mark__ You too
[16:28] <Ajeesh> While executing the apt-get dist-upgrade it is showing:
[16:28] <Ajeesh> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   linux-headers-3.19.0-69 linux-headers-3.19.0-69-generic   linux-image-3.19.0-69-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-69-generic
[16:28] <Ajeesh> showing the old kernels
[16:28] <Ajeesh> not the current one
[16:29] <oerheks> Ajeesh, that would be logical, the current one is the one you need for recovery
[16:29] <oerheks> you always have the current and 1 previous kernel.
[16:30] <Nombre> Hola?
[16:30] <Nombre> Hi?
[16:32] <Ajeesh> But the some other packages are also showing upgrade warning. But those versions will not working with my application.
[16:33] <Ajeesh> So for me dist-upgrade is not an option for me
[16:33] <oerheks> Ajeesh, ask the maintainer of your application to update?
[16:33] <oerheks> and how are you so sure it will not work?
[16:34] <oerheks> if it is a production server, you should test it on a testserver, simple
[16:34] <Nombre> Im speak spanish
[16:34] <Ajeesh> oerheks how can check that one, i am not sure that
[16:35] <oerheks> Ajeesh, how can i tell? no info about what application you run, nor what packages
[16:35] <Ajeesh> Docker and custom application
[16:36] <Ajeesh> and for the application to run at the moment i need to keep the current version
[16:36] <oerheks> ' custom application'  is so vague ...
[16:37] <oerheks> nobody can answer that, except the maintainer of it
[16:37] <Ajeesh> Java, springboot
[16:39] <oerheks> +if+ it is this app on github, it is actively maintained.
[16:40] <oerheks> https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot
[16:41] <oerheks> Ajeesh, oh, there is #spring here on #freenode :-)
[16:41] <Budgii> Hi All! can someone help me delete a folder in usr/share/..?
[16:41] <nacc> Budgii: so usr?
[16:41] <nacc> Budgii: do you mean /usr ?
[16:41] <leftyfb> Budgii: what directory and why do you want/need to delete it?
[16:41] <nacc> leftyfb: also good questions :)
[16:42] <Budgii> leaftyb, i need to delete /usr/share/osbuddy
[16:42] <Budgii> I'm having trouble getting the game to run
[16:42] <Borw3> Budgii: sudo rm -r ./folder
[16:42] <Budgii> what ive read says delete it. I don't think I have permissions to do so
[16:43] <Borw3> Budgii: sudo rm -r /usr/share/osbuddy
[16:43] <Ool> Ajeesh: You use certainly use the LTS HWE stack for 14.04 from the 15.10 , this version is End of life, so you don't have any protection against spectre/meldown
[16:43] <leftyfb> Budgii: sudo apt-get remove --purge osbuddy
[16:44] <oerheks> Ool, oops, didn' t think abou tthat, thnx
[16:44] <oerheks> !kpti
[16:45] <Budgii> that removed it. thanks guys! now to get it to install correctly.. :)
[16:46] <Borw3> Budgii: The game is free on ubuntu repos?
[16:46] <Budgii> OK.. so this may not be a question here, but ill ask anway. When I open osbuddy i get this error: Error overwriting old loader /usr/share/osbuddy/OSBuddy.jar (Permission denied) Couldn't launch OSBuddy null
[16:46] <Budgii> it's a client for another game
[16:47] <Budgii> How can I gain permissions?
[16:48] <Borw3> Budgii: I can play runescape from using osbuddy?
[16:49] <Budgii> yes, OSBuddy is a client that runs it with additional feaetures
[16:49] <Budgii> i'd be happy with just playing standard runescape, but i cant get that to load either haha
[16:49] <Borw3> Budgii: LOL, java doesn't work?
[16:50] <lesshaste> when you run nautilus why doesn't it start from the directory you run it from?
[16:50] <Budgii> well, what happens is you have to download the .msi application loader. I download it and have Java, i'm just unable to get it to open.
[16:51] <akik> Budgii: not sure about that app but if it requires you to run it as your user: sudo chown -R username /usr/share/osbuddy
[16:51] <saml> given a package, how can I print its version and all dependencies' versions?  doesn't have to be recursive. just immediate dependencies are good enough
[16:52] <Budgii> it got me permissions but now just this: Couldn't launch OSBuddy null - the website recomends deleting the folder and re-installing. i'll give it one more go
[16:52] <hggdh> saml: apt-cache depends <package>
[16:52] <Borw3> saml: for version-> apt-cache madison [package]
[16:53] <hggdh> saml: and apt-cache rdepends  for the reverse dependencies
[16:53] <saml> so i have to do it for each dependencies
[16:54] <akik> saml: somebody pasted this a few days ago: apt-rdepends package --state-follow=Installed
[16:54] <akik> saml: you need to install apt-rdepends separately
[16:55] <Budgii> boo, still fails. shame.
[16:55] <Budgii> at least i got the permissions and how to delete a folder through tilix. thank you so much!
[16:55] <saml> thanks
[16:57] <sud0x3> Budgii: Tilix the terminal emulator? you would deleete a file the same way you would with any other terminal, rm filename, rm -r foldername
[16:57] <Budgii> Yes very new to linux. Thank you!
[16:57] <Budgii> I'm trying to get OSBuddy installed on Budgie
[16:58] <akik> Budgii: if osbuddy installs with root permissions, you need root permissions to update it
[16:58] <akik> Budgii: but if the update happens "automatically" at program startup, it's problematic
[16:59] <Budgii> how would I get myself root permissions?
[17:00] <sud0x3> Budgii: Dint realise runscape was still a thing, have you tried installing the deb they provide?
[17:00] <Budgii> yes. that is the one I am trying to do.
[17:01] <Budgii> I download the debian package and instsall it
[17:01] <Budgii> then i get the error null
[17:02] <akik> Budgii: were you able to fix it by using the chown command to change permissions of /usr/share/osbuddy ?
[17:02] <Budgii> I was able to get past denial of access part with that, just still got the null error
[17:03] <Ajeesh> Ool, my Ubuntu is showing :
[17:03] <Ajeesh> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS Release:	14.04 Codename:	trusty
[17:03] <Ajeesh> Could not find HWE
[17:04] <akik> Budgii: could you pastebin the command and the error you get? pastebin.com
[17:04] <sud0x3> Budgii: try java -jar /usr/share/osbuddy/OSBuddy.jar
[17:04] <oerheks> Ajeesh, you would see it with 14.04.5 ...
[17:05] <oerheks> Ajeesh, oh, there is #spring here on #freenode, if your app is not working
[17:05] <Budgii> that executed it but still got this error: Couldn't launch OSBuddy null
[17:06] <Ajeesh> oerheks , so my best option is to dist-upgrade here
[17:06] <Ajeesh> ?
[17:06] <sud0x3> Budgii: Might be best contacting the deleopers as those errors arent helpful in the slightest
[17:06] <Budgii> agreed :)
[17:06] <Budgii> Thanks guys!
[17:06] <oerheks> Ajeesh, that is up to you, but i would recommend it.
[17:07] <oerheks> Ajeesh, and a ' production server'  needs a test-server setup to find out about this
[17:08] <Ajeesh> If i go with installing the 4.4.0-109 is fine ?
[17:08] <oerheks> Ajeesh, and how would you do that?
[17:09] <oerheks> i am not sure there is a safe way to do that, without problems
[17:10] <Ajeesh> apt-get install linux-image-4.4.0-109-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-109-generic
[17:10] <oerheks> try it, with the -d option ( dryrun)
[17:11] <Ajeesh> oerheks, You mean apt-get install --dry-run linux-image-4.4.0-109-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-109-generic
[17:12] <Ajeesh> ?
[17:12] <oerheks> that would be the same, i guess
[17:12] <Ajeesh> oh ok
[17:14] <Budgii> hey guys - i was ableto download the unix version of runescape and it worked for me. thanks for all the answers!
[17:15] <Ajeesh> oerheks ,https://pastebin.com/p4x6UNeR
[17:15] <Ajeesh> can you check , oerheks
[17:16] <Budgii> What IRC client do you all recommend?
[17:17] <oerheks> Ajeesh, add the suggested packages too
[17:17] <leftyfb> Budgii: the one that fits your personal preferences and needs
[17:17] <leftyfb> Budgii: search for irc client in the software center or apt-cache. Pick 1 and try it out
[17:19] <Bashing-om> Ajeesh: oerheks :: Note too " and 101 not upgraded.  " .
[17:20] <oerheks> Bashing-om,  i suggested to upgrade to 14.04.5, but he wants to do differently
[17:20] <oerheks> i give no guarantee :-D
[17:21] <oerheks> yeah, i make a joke about it, production server bla bla app does not work bla bla
[17:22] <Ajeesh> oerheks, okay
[17:23] <s10gopal> How to create ubuntu UFEI/EFi bootable pendrive ? using rufs
[17:23] <alien_> yay
[17:23] <Ajeesh> linux-lts-xenial-tools for this package i am getting this error
[17:23] <Ajeesh> E: Package 'linux-lts-xenial-tools' has no installation candidate
[17:23] <oerheks> s10gopal, our ubuntu iso' s are uefi compatible
[17:24] <s10gopal> plz tell rufs setting
[17:24] <s10gopal> rufus*
[17:27] <ianthius> i am running default 16.04LTS and the alt-tab behavior is so annoying with the process grouping, any chance I can just get regular alt-tab by window? I have googled a bunch and ended up empty handed
[17:27] <ianthius> thanks in advance
[17:29] <leftyfb> ianthius: I installed compizconfig-settings-manager and enabled "Application Switcher" and modified the Bindings accordingly
[17:30] <oerheks> !pm | s10gopal
[17:30] <Budgii> *testing colors
[17:30] <kostkon> Budgii, no colours to be seen
[17:30] <Budgii> HexChat color interface :)
[17:31] <kostkon> s10gopal, have you downloaded the Ubuntu iso
[17:31] <s10gopal> i want to format my whole drive  , i need to create EFI partation again ? if yes please tell me how ?
[17:32] <Budgii> Changed the background color to be a bit darker.. now the text is pretty dim.
[17:32] <Budgii> got it! finally!
[17:32] <kostkon> Budgii, there's also themes yuo could try out https://hexchat.github.io/themes.html
[17:34] <s10gopal> @kostkon yes
[17:35] <Budgii> Anyone know how to cloak my IP/use SASL/SSL what ever in HexChat?
[17:35] <tati_> hello, im new to ubuntu. I am not sure if this is the place to ask a question
[17:35] <leftyfb> s10gopal: why do you need to format your drive? If you need to reinstall Ubuntu, just reinstall and pick guided partitioning for the whole drive. Everything will get wiped.
[17:35] <leftyfb> !ask | tati_
[17:36] <s10gopal> i am on win 10
[17:36] <leftyfb> Budgii: hit up #help for cloaks
[17:36] <leftyfb> s10gopal: we do not support Windows here
[17:36] <s10gopal> i want to remove it and format my whole drive
[17:36] <nicomachus> leftyfb: #freenode does cloaks.
[17:36] <Budgii> leftyb: thanks!
[17:36] <s10gopal> and install ubuntu
[17:36] <leftyfb> nicomachus: #help forwards to #freenode :)
[17:36] <Budgii> thanks nicomachus
[17:36] <SCHAPiE> s10gopal: that in itself, is a respectable goal
[17:36] <leftyfb> s10gopal: ok, then my original suggest still stands
[17:37] <nicomachus> leftyfb: then why not just say #freenode?
[17:37] <s10gopal> dowloaded ubuntu -> bootable pendrive -> gpt for ufei -> gat 32
[17:37] <leftyfb> s10gopal: the installer will give you the option of installing ubuntu over your Windows install
[17:37] <oerheks> !uefi | s10gopal this wiki shows howto make that uefi partition again ..
[17:37] <glomaz> Hello all, my laptop has frozen while running Rsync to sync a USB backup drive to remote server. I have left my laptop running for about a week and this morning nothing appears on the screen when I move the mouse to log in
[17:37] <leftyfb> nicomachus: easier to type and others to remember
[17:37] <s10gopal> i want to remove windows
[17:38] <glomaz> Also, I can hear the CPU fan running very fast
[17:38] <leftyfb> s10gopal: yes, go through the installer. It will give you the option of installing Ubuntu to the entire drive, essentially wiping out Windows
[17:38] <leftyfb> glomaz: reboot
[17:38] <Budgii> sl0gopal, when you load the usb into your computer there should be an option to overwrite everything. I just installed linux last night and it was an option
[17:38] <glomaz> @leftyfb: the server or laptop?
[17:39] <leftyfb> glomaz: the thing that is frozen with the fan spun up
[17:39] <s10gopal> i want to install ubuntu on 200gb partation
[17:39] <s10gopal> and rest for my other work
[17:40] <Budgii> there should be "install alongside" option
[17:40] <glomaz> leftyfb: Backup drive has an NTFS partition, would it or the files get damaged?
[17:40] <s10gopal> i dont want any files
[17:40] <leftyfb> glomaz: if the machine is locked up and you cannot unmount, then what other options do you have?
[17:41] <s10gopal> idk
[17:41] <leftyfb> s10gopal: why do you need a separate partition for "other work"?
[17:41] <tati_> Okay I'm sorry! So here it goes. I am copying my /home folder to a freed up primary partition. I have followed these steps up until the end -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving#Moving_.2Fhome_into_.2Fold_home            Where I must move /home into /old_home. I get an error saying resource is busy. I tried to log in via virtual command to perform the move but my ctrl+alt+f1 doesnt work. What can I  do?
[17:41] <s10gopal> i need 2 drives , on for ubuntu and other for data
[17:42] <oerheks> tati_, try ctrl alt f2?
[17:43] <s10gopal> should i disable secure boot?
[17:43] <glomaz> leftyfb: I could try rebooting the server, it also seems it hasn't run out of free space yet
[17:43] <Nick21> Hello.
[17:43] <tati_> oerheks_, ctrl+alt+f1 freezes the mouse. I will try f2 again although it didn't seem to work
[17:44] <glomaz> leftyfb: laptop is currently running 17.04, so is it try to automatically upgrade?
[17:44] <Budgii> @sl0gopal: To reiterate you are wanting to install on a partition you made, correct?
[17:45] <s10gopal> no
[17:45] <s10gopal> like in windows , we install window in one drive and other drive for data backup
[17:45] <s10gopal> i want to do that in ubuntu
[17:47] <Budgii> @sl0gopal: i'd think you'd just want another partition. I don't know
[17:48] <jimb_> Budgii & s10gopal - That is how I do it, a data partition on the main drive and generally additional data only drives that are mounted.
[17:48] <Nick21_> How can I improve my youtube experience in Ubuntu?
[17:48] <jimb_> s10gopal - The pre-installed GUI utility for this is GParted
[17:48] <Nick21_> I am currently using flash player
[17:48] <Budgii> Nick21 is it lagging?
[17:48] <Nick21_> Yeah
[17:48] <Nick21_> Like
[17:49] <Nick21_> In some videos where they are HD, they freeze for a moment
[17:49] <Nick21_> And pop back up and freezes again
[17:49] <Nick21_> As in the frames of the video
[17:49] <Budgii> is it buffering?
[17:49] <kostkon> Nick21_, youtube is html5 only now
[17:49] <Nick21_> Yeah
[17:49] <tati__> @oerheks unfortunately, alt+ctrl+f2 also freezes the move. I can regain access to the mouse if i press f7. Is there another way of enter virtual console to allow this command to work? cd / && sudo mv /home /old_home && sudo mkdir /home
[17:49] <s10gopal> it is must to disable secure boot ?
[17:49] <Nick21_> I mean
[17:49] <Nick21_> It loads perfectly
[17:50] <Nick21_> But
[17:50] <Nick21_> It freezes sometimes
[17:50] <Budgii> Is the computer it self fast?
[17:51] <Budgii> do you have enough RAM?
[17:51] <Nick21_> Uhhhh, not that fast, but I am able to play Youtube videos well on Windows 8
[17:51] <Nick21_> I have 2GB RAM
[17:51] <Budgii> What version of Linux are you using?
[17:51] <Nick21_> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[17:51] <oerheks> and what videocard?
[17:51] <Nick21_> How can I check the video card?
[17:51] <Nick21_> Is there a command?
[17:52] <oerheks> systemsettings > details
[17:52] <Nick21_> Intel® 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2
[17:53] <oerheks> oh, surprising that win8 plays video on that old chip
[17:53] <Nick21_> Yeah...
[17:53] <jose-phillips> hi
[17:53] <jose-phillips> im trying to install ubuntu 16.04 over iscsi disk on uefi mod
[17:53] <jose-phillips> e
[17:53] <jose-phillips> but for one reason is always installing in legacy mode
[17:54] <Nick21_> But I am trying to make it work for Ubuntu @oerheks
[17:54] <s10gopal> it is must to disable secure boot ?
[17:54] <oerheks> Nick21_, good luck i wish you, i think it will never run youtube properly
[17:54] <Budgii> @sl0gopal, usually you need to to install an OS from newer windows versions
[17:55] <Nick21_> Yeah, because of the graphics they've implemented.... oerheks
[17:55] <Budgii> @sl0gopal try a quick google tutorial
[17:56] <Budgii> @Nick21_ i'd try Xubuntu or something that is not as graphically intensive
[17:56] <Nick21_> Xubuntu
[17:56] <Budgii> Yes.
[17:56] <Budgii> I used that on an old one and it was fast
[17:56] <Budgii> older computer
[17:56] <Budgii> there is one that is a step below that as well
[17:57] <oerheks> !flavors
[17:57] <jose-phillips> secure boot is disabled
[17:57] <oerheks> mate, xubuntu, budgie ..
[17:58] <jose-phillips> but when try to reinstall i always get the message that the data stored is for legacy boot . if i want to "force uefi installation" i hit yes
[17:58] <jose-phillips> and still doesn't work
[17:58] <Nick21_> Hmmmm.
[17:58] <Nick21_> I will try that.
[17:58] <Budgii> yeah I'm on budgie and I love it.
[17:59] <Budgii> id go with Xubuntu though, haven't tried mate
[17:59] <Budgii> there is a live one that you can test like 10 flavors
[17:59] <Budgii> you should do that then you'll know what you need
[18:02] <oerheks> one can always play youtube in terminal .. https://www.npmjs.com/package/youtube-terminal
[18:02] <nicomachus> see also `youtube-dl`
[18:03] <Budgii> https://fossbytes.com/best-lightweight-linux-distros/
[18:04] <Budgii> try that link Nick21
[18:04] <Nick21_> Thank you, Budgii.
[18:04] <Budgii> Np :)
[18:15] <decki> hello all
[18:15] <Budgii> Hello!
[18:16] <decki> where am I?
[18:16] <Budgii> I would not know the answer to that.
[18:16] <decki> just opened Hexchat and arrived here !
[18:16] <Budgii> This is #Ubuntu :)
[18:16] <akik> decki: this is internet relay chat, channel #ubuntu for technical support
[18:17] <decki> I'm using Zorin
[18:17] <Budgii> Cool!
[18:17] <oerheks> Zorin is not supported here :-)
[18:17] <decki> oops
[18:18] <dax> /join #zorinos for zorin
[18:18] <decki> how ?
[18:18] <dax> literally just type /join #zorinos
[18:18] <dax> in the same place you're typing messages
[18:18] <oerheks> or hoover over #zorinos and right click, join
[18:19] <decki> Thank you !
[18:19] <oerheks> have fun!
[18:19] <s10gopal> installed ubuntu :) but i cant see wifi
[18:20] <s10gopal> and when i turn off bt , airplane mode gets on
[18:21] <jose-phillips> any ideas of how to fix my issue
[18:24] <s10gopal> installed ubuntu :) but i cant see wifi
[18:24] <s10gopal> and when i turn off bt , airplane mode gets on
[18:26] <ianthius> leftyfb: thanks for the clue
[18:27] <DJAnonimo> hello
[18:27] <DJAnonimo> my USB audio device is listed in lsusb but not visible in alsamixer
[18:27] <DJAnonimo> anyone can help me?
[18:27] <DJAnonimo> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio Controller
[18:33] <oerheks> DJAnonimo, open terminal: alsamixer, hit F6, select soundcard usb
[18:33] <DJAnonimo> oerheks: soundcard is not visible in F6
[18:33] <DJAnonimo> only builtin interfaces
[18:34] <oerheks> cat /proc/asound/cards # this should show it too
[18:35] <DJAnonimo> ash: /proc/asound/cards: Permission denied
[18:36] <oerheks> works fine here
[18:36] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UsbAudioDevices
[18:37] <Nick21_> You know what, oerheks
[18:37] <Nick21_> I will stay with this version.
[18:37] <oerheks> see the ' configuration '  part, might help
[18:37] <Nick21_> I am too lazy to change OS right now
[18:37] <emin> hey
[18:37] <Nick21_> After working hard on this OS (configuring wifi, and installing a lot of packages)
[18:38] <DJAnonimo> im running ubuntu 16.04 arm64
[18:38] <jimb_> Nick21_ That video card isn't even officially supported for Win >7, but it does work (for most). You may have some BIOS settings you can change that will improve matters though, such as RAM assigned to the internal video card
[18:38] <emin> you wont believe im typing on the first version of ubuntu
[18:38] <emin> 4.10
[18:39] <emin> running in virtualbox
[18:39] <Nick21_> jimb, perhaps how can I change or look for those settings?
[18:39] <Nick21_> jimb_*
[18:39] <oerheks> DJAnonimo, arm64 or amd64 ?
[18:39] <DJAnonimo> oerheks: i was missing cats
[18:39] <jimb_> Nick21_ Probably need to press DEL while booting
[18:39] <oerheks> no clue about arm, if it works
[18:39] <DJAnonimo>  0 [sndhdmi        ]: sndhdmi - sndhdmi
[18:39] <DJAnonimo>                       sndhdmi
[18:39] <DJAnonimo>  1 [audiocodec     ]: audiocodec - audiocodec
[18:39] <DJAnonimo>                       audiocodec
[18:39] <DJAnonimo> here is the output
[18:39] <DJAnonimo> well there is no USB listed
[18:40] <nicomachus> !paste | DJAnonimo
[18:40] <Nick21_> Yes, I have entered the BIOS before, jimb_, but how can I specifically look for that part
[18:40] <jimb_> Nick21_ I am not sure what it will be called in your BIOS, should be something like "SHARED RAM" or similar and be right around any other video settings such as "primary video display"
[18:41] <Nick21_> Thank you very much, jimb_, perhaps this is an Aspire 9410Z
[18:41] <jimb_> I'll look real quick, one moment
[18:41] <DJAnonimo> oerheks: did you see the ouput?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> DJAnonimo, try sudo modprobe snd_usb_audio, if there are no errors then reboot
[18:41] <Nick21_> Thank you so much, jimb_
[18:41] <oerheks> DJAnonimo, yes, but i have no clue about arm, if it works
[18:42] <oerheks> there is #ubuntu-arm too, here on #freenode
[18:42] <DJAnonimo> modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_usb_audio not found in directory /lib/modules/3.10.102+
[18:42] <BluesKaj> ummer
[18:43] <BluesKaj> bummer even
[18:43] <jimb_> Well, I see it's F2 to enter the BIOS, having trouble finding a doc that shows it
[18:44] <Nick21_> Yeah, let me wander around the BIOS, jimb_, thank you mate, I will be back and tell you of the outcome
[18:44] <jimb_> Nick21_ You are very welcome
[18:44] <Nick21_> :)
[18:44] <DJAnonimo> BluesKaj: any idea why there is no modeule and how to get it installed?
[18:46] <BluesKaj> DJAnonimo, there doesn't seem to be a linux driver available, so far
[18:46] <DJAnonimo> hmm
[18:47] <DJAnonimo> on my laptop with ubuntu is detected without problems and listed in the mixer
[18:51] <Nick21> jimb_, all I found was Max DVMT, 128 MB and 64 MB for the video memory allocation setting.
[18:51] <jimb_> Was it at 128MB?
[18:52] <Nick21> No
[18:52] <Nick21> It was at Max DVMT.
[18:52] <jimb_> Oh, OK. Then that's probably the best you can do if your system has dynamic memory allocation like that :(
[18:52] <Nick21> Ah dammit.
[18:53] <jimb_> Nick21_ Although, it might be worth trying the 128MB setting as perhaps the DVMT portion isn't playing nice with Ubuntu
[18:53] <Nick21> Hm, I will try that :)
[18:53] <Nick21> Thank you mate. jimb_ I will let you know about the outcome :)
[18:54] <jimb_> Nick21_ You are welcome :)
[18:54] <Nick21> :D
[18:57] <BluesKaj> DJAnonimo, well then find the driver name of the CM108 Audio Controller on your laptop so we can use it to load the correct module, sudo lshw -C sound
[18:58] <BluesKaj> +
[18:58] <DJAnonimo> BluesKaj: ok. i will try. let me power on the laptop
[18:59] <dooms> Hi
[19:00] <Nick21> jimb_, I am not feeling a difference in the performance or whatsoever, the same YouTube streaming issue (when playing fast motion images and HD videos)
[19:00] <dooms> i dont know if anybody can help me... since few days, i'm using the 18.04 unstable version of ubuntu. i was using netflix without any problem, but since today, without even an update, i couldnt watch any video on netflix, but other sites works well (youtube, etc...)
[19:00] <dooms> anybody got an idea ?
[19:00] <leftyfb> dooms: go to #ubuntu+1 for unreleased versions of ubuntu
[19:01] <dooms> leftyfb thx
[19:02] <Nick21> jimb_ is there a way I can change the VRAM allocated, manually?
[19:02] <jimb_> Nick21 Sorry, that's about all I can think of at the moment. You may want to run `sudo dmesg | grep -i drm` with the settings at 128MB and then again with Max DVMT...  There is a 'Memory usable by device' line that you will want to check. With only 2G of total RAM, it's kinda stealing from Peter to pay Paul when it comes to shared video memory
[19:02] <jimb_> I think the VRAM needs to be managed by the BIOS, but I could be wrong. It was my understanding that's why DVMT was implemented.
[19:03] <Nick21> Oh alright, jimb_. Also don't be sorry, I just ran the command and it showed me some of the details for my graphics card if not all...
[19:04] <DJAnonimo> BluesKaj: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26399639/
[19:04] <Nick21> It says 256 M
[19:04] <Nick21> I see what you mean within the stealing thing, haha
[19:05] <Nick21> It doesn't have enough resources to share with the graphics card
[19:05] <jimb_> Nick21 Then you probably do want to leave DVMT at Max so your system has a chance to use all of it if needed. Odd that halving the RAM (by setting to 128MB) didn't greatly impact the video playback quality
[19:05] <Nick21> Yeah it's odd... It ran the same... :P
[19:06] <jimb_> Nick21 For educational purposes only... you may want to try using one of those YouTube video download sites... grab one of these videos and see if it plays better with something like VLC or not
[19:06] <Nick21> jimb_, I remember I used to run Ubuntu on this laptop and everything ran smoothly, perhaps it was because older versions needed less graphical processing
[19:06] <Nick21> Oh, yes, I will do that.
[19:06] <jimb_> Nick21 That... and HD could be different. Also, to save space, YouTube could be using a higher level of encoding now
[19:07] <Nick21> Yes exactly. jimb_
[19:07] <Nick21> I hate using this old potato
[19:08] <sud0x3> Nick21: I sometimes user youtube-viewer from teh cli and play videos with mpv
[19:08] <jimb_> Nick21 - When ready, plant it in the ground... maybe more will grow from it and you can cluster j/k
[19:09] <Nick21> jimb_ LMAO
[19:09] <BluesKaj> DJAnonimo, ok, now in the problem pc, run sudo modprobe snd_usbhid with the usb sound device plugged in, then reboot if there are no errors
[19:09] <Nick21> sud0x3 How exactly does that work? Is it a youtube application for Linux?
[19:10] <jimb_> This one? sud0x3    https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer
[19:10] <Nick21> jimb_ I wish I had potatoes to harvest, it would be better than using this actual potato
[19:10] <jimb_> Nick21 I know how it is, by main 2 machines were put together from garbage bin parts... but they work
[19:11] <V7> Can't kill pid
[19:11] <Nick21> Yeah, they work
[19:11] <Nick21> Sadly :P
[19:11] <Nick21> Should I use that viewer perhaps?
[19:12] <jimb_> Nick21 I don't know about you, but I'll be checking it out. That could be a useful reference for others with similar issues
[19:12] <Nick21> jimb_ I will install it
[19:14] <sud0x3> jimb_: Yes thats the one
[19:14] <Nick21> Which version of Ubuntu are you using, jimb_?
[19:14] <jimb_> Nick21 16.04.03
[19:14] <Nick21> jimb_ Ah me too.
[19:15] <sud0x3> Search results do differ from what you get in the web interface of youtube but generally gives me the results i want
[19:18] <Nick21> I'm confused on how to install it, I already added the repository
[19:18] <Nick21> For youtube-viewer
[19:18] <Nick21> :P
[19:18] <Nick21> I used the commands below
[19:18] <Nick21> Can't open perl script "Build.PL": No such file or directory
[19:19] <Nick21> jimb_  -  sud0x3
[19:19] <jimb_> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install youtube-viewer
[19:19] <Nick21> Right, I had to update my system...
[19:19] <Nick21> I'm dumb. thanks mate, jimb_
[19:20] <jimb_> Nick21 No worries at all. I almost went the route of building from source
[19:20] <DJAnonimo> BluesKaj: modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_usbhid not found in directory /lib/modules/3.10.102+
[19:20] <Nick21> jimb_ Well dang.
[19:20] <nacc> DJAnonimo: is that the exact messag?
[19:21] <Nick21> jimb_ You are an expert using Ubuntu
[19:21] <jimb_> Nick21 Not even close, but I can move around and get by ;)
[19:21] <nacc> DJAnonimo: you are not running an ubuntu kernel; what version is this?
[19:21] <Nick21> jimb_ Ahhh, alright.
[19:22] <leftyfb> DJAnonimo: what version of ubuntu is this? What type of hardware are you running it on?
[19:22] <Nick21> jimb_ Then, you got the moves, mate
[19:22] <jimb_> Nick21 Thanks
[19:22] <Nick21> jimb_ Haha, you are very welcome :)
[19:23] <DJAnonimo> Ubuntu 16.04 arm64 on Orange PI
[19:23] <Nick21> Can I do some pentesting on Ubuntu?
[19:23] <Nick21> Just wondering.
[19:23] <nacc> DJAnonimo: that is not a 16.04 kernel.
[19:23] <DJAnonimo> Keernel: 3.10.102+
[19:24] <nacc> leftyfb: --^ you got a handle on figuring that out? :)
[19:24] <Nick21> jimb_
[19:24] <jimb_> Nick21 - You can do plenty. See Kali Linux, the packages installed on it or whatever it's new version is called.
[19:24] <leftyfb> nacc: negative
[19:24] <nacc> Nick21: jimb_: kali is offtopic here, fwiw
[19:24] <Nick21> jimb_ Wow, thanks. Amazing information to my ears.
[19:25] <jimb_> Nick21 nacc I new it would come up pretty soon, this channel is for support/help... chatter should be at #ubuntu-discuss or such
[19:25] <nacc> jimb_: no, kali is not ubuntu at all
[19:25] <nacc> jimb_: so that would be offtopic for #ubuntu-discuss as well
[19:26] <jimb_> Right nacc, but you can install the same packages, too many to list... so I use it as my goto
[19:26] <nacc> jimb_: not really relevant, my point was it's offtopic. nothing more.
[19:26] <Nick21> jimb_ I installed youtube-viewer, how can I install its interface?
[19:26] <Nick21> jimb_ let me guess
[19:26] <vvoland> How can I disable "negating numlock" with shift when pressing buttons from numpad? For example I have numpad button 7/HOME. Numlock switches the function of button. But when pressed with shift it produces the alternate key.
[19:26] <Nick21> sudo apt-get install gtk-youtube-viewer ???
[19:26] <Nick21> jimb_
[19:27] <jimb_> Nick21 The interface should be there... use dash to find the graphical version
[19:28] <Nick21> Dash?
[19:28] <jimb_> Windows key... then start typing youtube
[19:28] <Nick21> Oh got it, thanks jimb_
[19:28] <Nick21> Uhhh what's happening to my brain
[19:28] <Nick21> :P
[19:28] <jimb_> Nick21 As usual, you are welcome
[19:28] <Nick21> jimb_ And as usual, I thank you lots :)
[19:31] <sud0x3> Nick21: you can also use youtube-viewer at the cli
[19:39] <justme_> d
[19:41] <Nick21_> jimb_ I just had the biggest crash in history...It was exactly a crash, but the functions the mouse didn't work, as I hovered over the video it would show the playback controls, yes, but I had to restart Ubuntu using ctrl-alt-f2
[19:41] <mircx1> Hello i need please help i try find mbedtls to install that and i not see this someone can help to me?
[19:41] <Nick21_> It wasn't exactly* jimb_
[19:41] <jimb_> Nick21_ I'll watch out for that when I play around with youtube-viewer
[19:42] <Nick21_> jimb_ Yeah, it's like a bug or something./
[19:42] <Nick21_> Also, don't click fullscreen... jimb_
[19:42] <jimb_> Nick21_ I'm actually taking notes :)
[19:42] <nacc> mircx1: do you mean libmbedtls10? i donn't thinnk mbedtls is a binary
[19:43] <nacc> jimb_: Nick21_: fwiw, PPAs are not supported here either ... contact the PPA owner if there are issues
[19:43] <jimb_> Wow nacc, I didn't realize. Will do.
[19:43] <Nick21_> jimb_ Yeah, haha, this are some strong tips
[19:43] <Nick21_> these*
[19:44] <mircx1> ?
[19:44] <nacc> !ppa | jimb_: for reference
[19:44] <nacc> jimb_: you are basically giving the PPA owner root on your system, also, so it's important to definitively trust the author(s)
[19:44] <nacc> mircx1: what are you looking for precisely?
[19:45] <Nick21_> nacc Wow, I didn't know all of this
[19:45] <Bashing-om> !info libmbedtls10 xenial | mircx1 this one ? ::
[19:45] <Nick21_> nacc So basically he can control my PC?
[19:45] <mircx1> i try install from ubuntu that mbedtls SSL/TLS
[19:45] <Nick21_> jimb_ These are spooky informations
[19:45] <mircx1> but i am not find for this
[19:46] <nacc> Nick21_: well, a) you are installing the packages as root, so ... you should know what you're doing; 2) any package you install is installed by the root user, which means the installing process has root permissions
[19:46] <jimb_> Nick21_ I knew that it allows them to install whatever they want on top of what you are asking for. In this case, it's a project that is also on github. But, as nacc says, not supported here and potentially dangerous
[19:46] <nacc> Nick21_: PPAs are not special in this regard
[19:46] <nacc> mircx1: what did you try to install?
[19:47] <mircx1> i try install inspircd version 3 and when i will try install the module i get error
[19:47] <mircx1> this a error
[19:47] <Nick21_> jimb_ | nacc, so I should uninstall this application, also it isn't helping me so...It's safer to uninstall it completely right?
[19:48] <nacc> !ppa-purge | Nick21_
[19:48] <mircx1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:48] <nacc> mircx1: please don't describe your problem, but show a pastebin with the exact commands and outputs.
[19:48] <nacc> mircx1: as your description did not have sufficient details
[19:48] <mircx1> i send to you
[19:48] <Nick21_> Thanks ubottu, I will use it, and also thank you nacc for the command.
[19:49] <nacc> mircx1: you need to provide the full URL (it will have a suffix after paste.ubuntu.com)
[19:49] <Nick21_> jimb_ Well let's do this xD
[19:50] <jimb_> Nick21_ I am going to review the source code and possibly build a local version that doesn't require sudo to install. You should feel free to sudo apt-get purge youtube-viewer as well as purging the PPA
[19:51] <Nick21_> Thank you jimb_ I will do this
[19:51] <jimb_> Anytime Nick21_
[19:52] <Nick21_> I'm installing ppa purge via Synaptics.
[19:52] <Nick21_> jimb_
[19:52] <Nick21_> I am about to purge the app and purge the repo.
[19:52] <Nick21_> How do I purge this repo???
[19:52] <Nick21_> jimb_
[19:52] <Nick21_> As in I know there's a directory and a sub directory but I don't know how to put into context
[19:53] <jimb_> Nick21_ sudo ppa-purge ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
[19:53] <Nick21_> Thank you
[19:53] <Nick21_> So the full command would be
[19:54] <jimb_> Nick21_ sudo apt-get purge youtube-viewer && sudo ppa-purge ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
[19:54] <Nick21_> sudo apt-get purge youtube-viewer  && sudo ppa-purge
[19:54] <Nick21_> Yeah
[19:54] <BluesKaj>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
[19:54] <BluesKaj>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        DJAnonimo , arm drivers are hard to find , I wasn't aware you were using one of those small boards, not the same as regular pcs
[19:54] <BluesKaj> oops
[19:54] <Nick21_> jimb_ I used it like that... I'm learning lol
[19:55] <Nick21_> Thank you very much jimb_
[19:55] <jimb_> nacc for clarification, is it ok to do these and like explain what certain operators and commands mean/do ? I'm being serious and not a jerk
[19:56] <Nick21_> I purged everything.
[19:56] <tech10171968> TBH that is NEVER a bad idea
[19:56] <Nick21_> From that PPA
[19:56] <Nick21_> Bang!
[19:56] <Nick21_> XD
[19:56] <Nick21_> jimb_ I am having so much fun with the console
[19:57] <xs2> is it safe to remove `/ppa` here `add-apt-repository ppa:dockbar-main/ppa`? I'm asking because I have `add-apt-repository -y ppa:webupd8team/java` and it works? safe as in would I still be adding the same repository
[19:57] <tech10171968> Nick21 - wait until you find out how much more productive the console can be over GUI
[19:57] <tech10171968> once you get used to it, that is
[19:58] <jimb_> Nick21_ I live in the console, it's THE way to get things done on remote servers. It's why Ubuntu is the only OS we use in this house.
[19:58] <Nick21_> tech10171968   -  I want to get to that right now.
[19:58] <tech10171968> well,the best way to learn *anything* in Linux is to screw up. Seriously.
[19:58] <Nick21_> jimb_   tech10171968
[19:59] <Nick21_> This is so rewarding, yet, I need guidance to learn even more
[19:59] <Nick21_> jimb_ So practically you are married to the console
[20:00] <jimb_> Nick21_ ok to DM?
[20:00] <tech10171968> well, once the console gets routine to you, you are probably going to want to learn some scripting. IYou can automate a lot of stuff that way
[20:00] <Nick21_> tech10171968 -   I have watched some videos on how to PIMP Ubuntu and I don't know how screwed I could get doing such commands since my graphics driver aren't that supportive let's say
[20:01] <Nick21_> jimb_ Yeah
[20:01] <Nick21_> tech10171968  - You mean, learn how to code
[20:01] <tech10171968> Nick21_- Well, if you can call it that
[20:02] <tech10171968> I really mean Bash scripting
[20:02] <tech10171968> I even wrote a script a while ago to automate the compiling of my new kernels when I update them
[20:03] <BluesKaj> pimp is the incorrect word for tweaking ubuntu
[20:03] <tech10171968> I would advise looking for a copy of the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide. It can be found online and doesn't cost one red cent
[20:03] <sud0x3> Nick21_: What do you use your computer for? day to day, may be able to suggest cli replacements for you workflow
[20:04] <xs2> can I install Android Studio via PPA?
[20:06] <tech10171968> sud0x3 - that's actually a really good idea to get someone used to the terminal
[20:06] <stephii> Hi. I cannot use apt-get on ubuntu 16.04 any more, because dpkg stops with an error that it cannot unpack the kernel header files in the package, because the disk is full. But / has more than 1 gigabyte free. apt-get install -f produces that error too.
[20:06] <EriC^^> stephii: what about 'df -h /boot' ?
[20:07] <EriC^^> oh you said header files, what about 'df -i' ?
[20:07] <nacc> stephii: perhaps pastebin the exact output, as welll
[20:07] <stephii> EriC^^: oh -i shows almost 100% use
[20:07] <sud0x3> tech10171968: Thanks
[20:08] <BluesKaj> Nick21_, are you a windows 'dude', then go pimp windows. linux isn't for sale
[20:08] <EriC^^> stephii: aha, do you have lots of small files?
[20:08] <Borw3> BluesKaj: LOL
[20:08] <Southern_Gentlem> BluesKaj, LOL
[20:08] <stephii> EriC^^: I didn't know I had, but I guess. /home is on a seperate partition tho
[20:09] <sud0x3> BluesKaj: Talking about what people should call thier customisations, why do people use the term "rice" to descibe this?
[20:09] <tech10171968> stephii: i'd probably check /var/log. System logs can *really* pile up after a while, and sometimes cleaning them out can reclaim up to a gig of disk space
[20:09] <EriC^^> stephii: hmm
[20:09] <tech10171968> it's happened to me before
[20:09] <BluesKaj> sud0x3, no idea, I guess they think it's some kind of insider "speak"
[20:10] <stephii> tech10171968: thanks I already deleted the kern.log.1 file, but its only 1 file. I have to look for many small files somewhere I suppose. Have 1 GB of 9GB free on /
[20:10] <tech10171968> sud0x3: it's a term borrowed from motorheads who like to pimp out their Japanese cars
[20:11] <luc4> Hello! I’m about to install ubuntu on a new pc. The machine arrived with ubuntu 16.04 and includes a efi partition of 600MB… isn’t this weird? I’m not about to install 17.10 but I’m wondering if ubuntu is recreating the efi partition by itself or not...
[20:11] <stephii> EriC^^: this is what df -i shows for / (which has /boot) /dev/sda5      610800   610140    660  100% /
[20:11] <nacc> luc4: that's a pretty normal sized efi partition
[20:12] <tech10171968> luc4: I'm not sure but I don't think it actually does that. If I'm wrong someone let me know
[20:12] <nacc> luc4: what do you mean, 'weird'?
[20:12] <BluesKaj> sud0x3, rice, seem ricing is cosmetic enhancement for starters , but there are all kinds of other customizations
[20:12] <luc4> nacc: I see only 33MB are stored…
[20:12] <luc4> nacc: why should I waste 500MB?
[20:13] <Borw3> luc4: LOL
[20:13] <tech10171968> BlueKaj: it's not just cosmetics. For example, Gentoo users are often called "ricers", but I don't think their customization is only skin-deep
[20:13] <sud0x3> BluesKaj: tech10171968 Thanks i just wondered as i see it a lot
[20:14] <EriC^^> stephii: try "for i in /var /boot /etc; do echo -e "$(sudo find $i | wc -l)\t$i"; done | sort -n"
[20:14] <stephii> I think i could remove old kernel and header files, but with apt-get not working its probably not safe to delete them from the /usr/src/ directories?
[20:14] <nacc> luc4: if you want to fiddle with it, you can try, but you'll probably make your system unbootable. Is 500M actually enough for you to care on your system?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> google foo is your friend, sud0x3
[20:14] <sud0x3> BluesKaj: I know but i didnt want a generic answer
[20:14] <luc4> nacc: I’m installing ubuntu now, so now or never :-)
[20:14] <EriC^^> stephii: mine reports 624 for boot, 15144 for /var and 3145 for /etc as a reference
[20:14] <nacc> luc4: i thought it already had ubuntu?
[20:14] <sud0x3> Like using google as a term for searching the internet :)
[20:15] <tech10171968> stephii: then you may have to do that by hand. Old kernel files can also be pretty hefty
[20:15] <Budgii> Budgie users: can i have my application icons on my panel instead of the dock?
[20:15] <nacc> luc4: annd you said you're "not about to install 17.10"
[20:15] <luc4> nacc: yes, 16.04
[20:15] <EriC^^> stephii: try 'sudo apt-get autoclean' to free up some space
[20:15] <Budgii> Or at least what is running to be on there.
[20:15] <luc4> nacc: not :-), sorry, I meant now
[20:15] <luc4> nacc: just a typo
[20:15] <Borw3> LOL, people use Budgie?
[20:15] <sud0x3> Budgii: i beleive so, when i tried budgie there was a firefox icon next to the main menu icon
[20:15] <nacc> luc4: ah ok
[20:15] <Budgii> budgie is awesome I love it
[20:15] <Budgii> Just got it
[20:15] <nacc> luc4: i mean, i'd just leave it. it's not doing any harm, and i believe might be specified by the efi spec (but that's just my recollection)
[20:16] <BluesKaj> tech10171968, gentoo users also like hair shirts :-)
[20:16] <stephii> thanks EriC^^ I'll look at the find command. I've tried autoremove, but it doesnt work because of unmet dependencies with the kernel headers
[20:16] <tech10171968> BluesKaj: LOL!!!
[20:16] <EriC^^> luc4: 33mb would work if you're really keen on saving the mb's
[20:16] <stephii> EriC^^: sorry you meant autoclean. didnt free inodes :)
[20:17] <Budgii> @Borw3, curiosity; what version do you operate?
[20:18] <EriC^^> stephii: literally any deletion would be good, old files in /var/tmp etc
[20:18] <EriC^^> stephii: maybe copy stuff temporarily like logs to your /home partition
[20:18] <gavin> exit
[20:18] <EriC^^> stephii: probably though stick with the find approach and try to see where all the inodes are going
[20:19] <luc4> EriC^^: is it supposed to get larger in the future? I’m in doubt now on how to install ubuntu. The installer is asking if I want to use the entire disk: will this keep the efi partition?
[20:21] <EriC^^> luc4: i'm not sure about that, can you take a screenshot of it?
[20:22] <tech10171968> or you could just run GParted, and it will show you the exact makeup of your disk
[20:25] <stephii> EriC^^: I have 323 in boot, 2313 in etc, 8918 in var and 463769 in usr/src (which I added to your command)
[20:26] <EriC^^> stephii: aha that's excessive, i have 50k in /usr/src
[20:27] <rfleming> Hi!  How do I stop Ubuntu from installing new printers?
[20:27] <rfleming> I'm in an office and I don't want them all
[20:27] <EriC^^> that's the problem i guess, it's around 75% of your total inodes
[20:28] <stephii> yes. there are tons of old kernel files in usr/src, could i rm -rf the oldest set and then use apt-get to remove what else it wants to autoremove?
[20:28] <EriC^^> stephii: what does /usr/src have?
[20:28] <EriC^^> stephii: sure go for it
[20:29] <EriC^^> check the inode usage again afterwards with df -i
[20:30] <stephii> 27k free instead of 600 after deleting the oldest kernel files
[20:30] <EriC^^> that's still alot
[20:31] <EriC^^> stephii: try "for i in /usr/share/*; do echo -e "$(sudo find $i | wc -l)\t$i"; done | sort -n"
[20:31] <luc4> EriC^^: https://pasteboard.co/H3eSso6.png
[20:32] <EriC^^> luc4: i think that ignores your input and just erases the disk and install ubuntu with its own default specs
[20:33] <luc4> EriC^^: will that erase efi and create a new one?
[20:33] <EriC^^> luc4: it should create a fat32 though and everything you might need
[20:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:33] <EriC^^> i guess so
[20:33] <Checkmate> i have run command on putty to import sql file i want to close the terminal, is the job will be killed or not?
[20:33] <luc4> EriC^^: should I backup the previous efi partition?
[20:34] <EriC^^> Checkmate: yeah, unless you run it in screen it usually will get killed when you close the terminal
[20:35] <EriC^^> luc4: not unless you have another os like windows that boots off it
[20:35] <stephii> EriC^^: in /usr/share the largest one is almost 30k for icons, followed by doc with 8k. But deleting just the oldest headers allowed apt-get to work again :) I also all other old kernel headers that are not seen by grub and which were not removed by autoremove
[20:35] <EriC^^> stephii: oh sorry i meant /usr/src, my bad
[20:35] <Checkmate> yes Eric i forgot screen command
[20:36] <stephii> EriC^^: I now have 60% of my inodes free. Thanks a lot for your help!
[20:36] <EriC^^> stephii: great, no problem!
[20:36] <EriC^^> Checkmate: can you kill it and rerun in screen?
[20:37] <Checkmate> EriC^^ i cant its already 1 day left with 50% i cant start from beginning , my laptop get update and its needed to restart
[20:37] <luc4> EriC^^: thanks!
[20:37] <EriC^^> luc4: no problem!
[20:39] <Checkmate> EriC^^ there is no way ?
[20:41] <Checkmate> EriC^^ are you sure the sqlimport will be killed after the terminal closed!!
[20:41] <EriC^^> Checkmate: 1 sec let me try something
[20:42] <Budgii> Is python the main lainguage for Tilix?
[20:42] <Checkmate> ok THanks
[20:43] <bray90820_> Where would be a good place to get help with the ubuntu windows 10 app?
[20:43] <Budgii> I don't know what that is- but it sounds interesting. What does it do?
[20:44] <bray90820_> It's basically an ubuntu subsystem for windows
[20:44] <Budgii> is it a VM?
[20:44] <bray90820_> It's an app from the windows 10 store
[20:45] <Budgii> ah. obvious answer I am giving, but maybe google it haha
[20:45] <Budgii> Sorry i'm no help. :)
[20:45] <lordcirth_work> bray90820_,  #ubuntu-on-windows
[20:45] <Bashing-om> !ubunwin
[20:46] <akik> Budgii: it's a system call emulator that microsoft and canonical created. it's basically a ubuntu system with no gui and no services
[20:46] <Bashing-om> !ubuwin
[20:46] <EriC^^> Checkmate: this might work, haven't tested it, https://serverfault.com/questions/55880/moving-an-already-running-process-to-screen
[20:47] <akik> Budgii: but people have done things with it that it wasn't designed to do
[20:47] <xs2> how can I assume default path and accept license with umake?
[20:47] <EriC^^> Checkmate: i just tried ctrl+z , bg, then disown %<job number> and it didn't work, fwiw
[20:47] <Checkmate> EriC^^ ok wait a sec
[20:47] <Budgii> @akik, gotcha. I think I did see something like that the other day when looking for this OS. What have they done?
[20:47] <nacc> Budgii: not ontopic here
[20:47] <EriC^^> Checkmate: try the link's suggestion on another program first to see if it actually works
[20:48] <akik> Budgii: you can run xorg apps from it if you install a x windows server on windows side
[20:48] <EriC^^> Checkmate: it's actually in the ubuntu repos, sudo apt-get install reptyr
[20:48] <EriC^^> *trying it*
[20:49] <xs2> what is this today am I blocked or what
[20:49] <Budgii> Hmm. Alright
[20:49] <xs2> I asked 10 question none of which got answered
[20:49] <Budgii> So i'm just looking to learn basics of the terminal.. when I type in Google Chrome, it doesn't recognize it to open it.
[20:49] <lordcirth_work> xs2, then no one knew the answers.
[20:50] <xs2> I'm sure it's a conspiracy
[20:50] <Budgii> lol
[20:50] <Borw3> LOL
[20:50] <jimb_> Budgii google-chrome-stable
[20:51] <Budgii> @jimb_ score! thanks. How would I know the name for other programs to open, such as HexChat or Chromium?
[20:51] <jimb_> xs2 - I have seen a few messages for you. Not blocked as of 10 minutes ago as far as I can tell
[20:52] <xs2> hm for me? as in someone answered me?
[20:52] <jimb_> Budgii A good start, is to type the first few chars then hit tab a few times to autocomplete
[20:52] <jimb_> xs2 - I don't know offhand how to make umake accept the license etc
[20:53] <xs2> no worries
[20:53] <Budgii> jimb_ YESSS just what I needed!
[20:54] <lordcirth_work> xs2, I haven't used umake, how does it prompt for licence acceptance?
[20:54] <jimb_> Budgii - I am lazy, so I overuse autocomplete all the time.
[20:55] <auronandace> oerheks: thanks for the help regarding unblocking the wifi (i was ThinkT510 earlier). I found out that the ideapad_laptop module was to blame so I had to blacklist it and wifi is working again
[20:55] <jimb_> xs2 - I did find that some packages allow for `--accept-license` ... however, I don't think it's a standard, so you may have to try each of them in question and find out what they accept via umake -h <lib>
[20:56] <xs2> I wasn't prompted for license acceptance but saw a tutorial uses `--accept-license` (for instance when installing Android Studio and SDK), yet man doesn't say anything about --accept-license and some pkg's error out. as for the default path, it just requires you to press enter (or enter the path)
[20:59] <jimb_> xs2 - ` --auto-accept` should work for frameworks without licensing to prevent prompting
[20:59] <jimb_> xs2 - Maybe not anymore. That's about all I can offer... going dark.
[20:59] <xs2> thanks jimb_!
[20:59] <EriC^^> Checkmate: seems to be working for me if i use root, and reptyr -T <pid> , i dont get any output from the program but it still shows up in ps aux
[21:00] <xs2> might someone know does `--auto-accept` prevents path prompting?
[21:00] <xs2> s/prevents/prevent/
[21:00] <Checkmate> EriC^^
[21:01] <Checkmate> i need to stop last session shell by CTRL+Z
[21:01] <Checkmate> or i open another session the put the command
[21:01] <Checkmate> its work but what about last session
[21:02] <Checkmate> i need to kill it ?
[21:03] <EriC^^> Checkmate: in a root shell, type "screen" and then type "reptyr -T <pid here>"
[21:04] <Checkmate> EriC^^ ok let me try with simple ping google.fr
[21:06] <mindspoof> Evening
[21:07] <Checkmate> EriC^^ i think its work
[21:07] <EriC^^> great
[21:07] <Checkmate> but mysql if get stopped will start from the first right ?
[21:08] <EriC^^> no idea there
[21:08] <Checkmate> [1]   Killed                  ping google.fr
[21:08] <Checkmate> [2]+  Stopped                 ping google.fr
[21:08] <xs2> in case someone needs it; you can `umake app destdir arg`
[21:08] <Checkmate> after reptyr
[21:08] <xs2> also `umake -h app` to see allowed args
[21:08] <EriC^^> just remember to 'ctrl+a -> d' so it detaches and gives a message before exiting
[21:09] <Checkmate> i'm using tmux
[21:09] <Checkmate> https://gist.github.com/henrik/1967800
[21:09] <jimb_> In the case of TMUX, it's CTRL-B then D
[21:10] <Checkmate> thanks jimb_
[21:10] <jimb_> yw
[21:11] <Checkmate> EriC^^ if i do reptyr on mysql will be stopped ??
[21:11] <Checkmate> im afraid that he will return it from the beginning
[21:14] <EriC^^> Checkmate: can you try a test on your local pc?
[21:15] <Checkmate> you mean by mysql ok wait i will create another database
[21:20] <rsaw6002> Anyone have any idea why ntp:i386 package wont install on 16.04 64 bit machine with i386 arch enabled?
[21:22] <leftyfb> rsaw6002: no, but why do you need the 33bit version of ntp if you're not 32bit?
[21:23] <rsaw6002> leftyfb: lol. Cause the software im trying to install depends on it and only has a 32 bit .deb package
[21:24] <Checkmate> EriC^^ i'm not sure thanks maybe i will use it after some hours
[21:26] <rsaw6002> leftyfb: just thought i’d check here before wiping and reloading 14.04 32 bit as recommended by the software vendor. Ive ran it on 16.04 64 bit in the past.
[21:26] <leftyfb> rsaw6002: what is this software that is requiring you to take steps backward?
[21:27] <rsaw6002> ExacqVision Video Management Server
[21:27] <leftyfb> rsaw6002: also, what is the error you get when trying to install ntp:i386?
[21:27] <Ben64> weird for it to depend on ntp
[21:28] <rsaw6002> I forget, something about broken depends,
[21:28] <jimb_> Ah, commercial video surveillance... they want a reliable timestamp. Odd to look for the older version though
[21:29] <leftyfb> rsaw6002: we can't troubleshoot "something about...". Can you paste the error to pastebin.ubunut.com?
[21:29] <rsaw6002> leftyfb: effe it, im reloading a 32bit OS and getting out of here.
[21:29] <leftyfb> jimb_: 32bit doesn't necessarily mean older
[21:29] <Guma> I was wondering if there is a way to force install low latency kernels when doing initial installation (16.04.3)? I noticed that apt list shows -low latency  versions specific Or Do I have to install it manually after full initial setup
[21:30] <jimb_> leftyfb, You are correct.
[21:30] <leftyfb> rsaw6002: sure, just be aware. You'll need to upgrade to a newer version of ubuntu next year
[21:30] <rsaw6002> leftyfb: i know. Im just venting. I hate when vendors wont keep things up to date.
[21:30] <leftyfb> Guma: the latter, unless you want to get into preseeding
[21:31] <rsaw6002> leftyfb: yep. Im gonna try to get my client off of this software release. Exacq has a 64 bit package now but the client doesnt want to pay for the upgrade since they bought the software just over a year ago
[21:34] <ystein> Thunderbird in 16.04 is on version 52.5.0, but the newest from Mozilla is 52.5.2 which fixes several security issues. Will these updates land in the 16.04 repos eventually?
[21:43] <sara_> hello world, is there any alternative to maya (graphics program) on Linux, thanks
[21:44] <Guma> leftyfb I just tried it. After installing same kernel version low latency (vs original generic) I can login to my desktop. I type password and I get kicked back to login prompt. But I an ssh to this machine with same credentials jsut fine
[21:48] <Ben64> sara_: yes, maya
[21:48] <webbb> hi
[21:48] <auronandace> sara_: maybe blender
[21:48] <webbb> Is it possible to mount something into a folder structure of something else mounted?
[21:48] <webbb> or is this not possible? :/
[21:49] <Ben64> webbb: it is
[22:11] <voidDotClass> I'm on 16.10. apt-get update gives me a few errors, even on http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-lxc/lxd-stable/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[22:12] <voidDotClass> why is http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-lxc/lxd-stable/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages giving a 403?
[22:13] <squealingcode> Sounds weird. Your date/time is not off by any chance?
[22:14] <squealingcode> lol cannot even access it in the browser
[22:14] <krytarik> !16.10
[22:17] <voidDotClass> krytarik, 1) Is it possible to run apt-get install and not have it exit due to that error, 2) is it possible to upgrade in place?
[22:17] <voidDotClass> !eolupgrade
[22:19] <voidDotClass> I actually have 16.04 LTS sorry
[22:19] <voidDotClass> so I should still be supported
[22:19] <voidDotClass> krytarik,
[22:19] <krytarik> Yeah, figured.
[22:20] <krytarik> Also yes, there is something funky with that PPA right now.
[22:20] <voidDotClass> krytarik, is it possible to ignore that error just so i can continue with my installation?
[22:21] <krytarik> You could disable the source for now, yes.
[22:21] <voidDotClass> i'm trying to install npm and doing curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_9.x | sudo -E bash -
[22:21] <voidDotClass> sudo apt-get install -y nodejs
[22:21] <voidDotClass> how do i do that krytarik? commenting it out in sources.list ?
[22:21] <krytarik> Yeah, for example.
[22:22] <voidDotClass> i'll try that
[22:22] <voidDotClass> !16.04
[22:23] <Edgeman> What would cause a system (virtual machine) to completely hang a few minutes after finishing boot? This was a 16.04.3 server that I just upgraded to 17.10. No output in /var/log/syslog or on the console when it locks up. Network goes down and console is unresponsive afterwards.
[22:25] <Mr_R_Arifin> mint
[22:25] <du5tball> hello. i'm trying to open a kernel bug. question: how the heck do i do this? when i try to open the bug, it leads me to a wiki page which isn't helpful at all
[22:26] <du5tball> incorrect wording. a kernel bug, which i've found with ubuntu.
[22:27] <voidDotClass> i'm seeing a lot of different xenial sources in sources.list
[22:27] <voidDotClass> should i comment all of them?
[22:29] <voidDotClass> I commented out all the lines with xenial in /etc/apt/sources.list but still seeing 'E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-lxc/lxd-stable/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  403  Forbidden' when i try to run apt-get install
[22:34] <Bashing-om> voidDotClass: I would expect that PPA to be in the 3rd party directory : /etc/apt/sources.list.d : ' cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list ' to see the files .
[22:36] <kjarsty> does anyone have experience fixing issues with installing ubuntu on an asus t100taf?
[22:37] <brainwash> du5tball: did you run the command "ubuntu-bug linux"?
[22:38] <du5tball> brainwash: command not found. and if you expect me to do that from the customer server: i'm not gonna do that. who knows what that transmits.
[22:40] <nacc> du5tball: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[22:41] <nacc> du5tball: the reason nthat wiki page exists, depending on what 'when i try to open the bug' means -- is that most people file garbage bug reports
[22:42] <du5tball> nacc: understandably. however, in my mind it's also a reflection on ubuntu itself
[22:43] <nacc> du5tball: what is?
[22:43] <nacc> du5tball: annd which URL did you use?
[22:43] <nacc> du5tball: tbh, the llogs that ubutu-bug transmits are goign to need to be transmitted eventually anyways
[22:45] <brainwash> also, there is #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-kernel
[22:45] <brainwash> in case you have a more specific question
[22:47] <du5tball> nacc: i landed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/, and clicked the "report a bug" on the right
[22:47] <nacc> du5tball: how did you land there?
[22:47] <nacc> du5tball: that is reporting a bug in 'ubuntu', which is not a package, but the entire OS
[22:48] <nacc> err, wait
[22:48] <nacc> du5tball: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ -> "Report a bug" takes me directly to the correct page to report the bug
[22:48] <webbb> Ben64: I mounted a VirtualBox shared folder and VirtualBox doesn't follow Windows Junctions yet (bug is known but still not fixed, sadly) so I have to mount that junction myself as a 2nd VirtualBox shared folder mount - into the existing folder structure
[22:48] <du5tball> nacc: by googling "ubuntu bug". thing is, i have a bug in overlayfs. i assume it's kernel specific, as it doesn't happen on other distributions.
[22:48] <du5tball> nacc: then we both see different things apparently. may also be because my account was just created
[22:49] <nacc> du5tball: were you logged in?
[22:49] <nacc> du5tball: in any case, you can use the url i provided
[22:49] <du5tball> yes i was logged in :)
[22:49] <nacc> du5tball: please read the documentation on that page to provide a useful bug report
[22:50] <Guma> Is there a way to lock current kernel (after some testing) and prevent it in any way from upgrading to any other version?
[22:50] <nacc> Guma: why would you want to do that?
[22:50] <brainwash> !pinning
[22:50] <nacc> you don't need pinning to do this
[22:50] <brainwash> !hold
[22:51] <nacc> just remove the metapackages
[22:51] <du5tball> nacc: i think by now i'm good at writing bug reports :) archlinux and redhat have tortured me in that regard
[22:51] <nacc> but again, why is the relevant question for Guma
[22:51] <nacc> du5tball: ok
[22:51] <Guma> Ok so what would be thee exact command to lock/pin current kernel
[22:52] <Guma> So it is pinning that is the best correct way?
[22:52] <nacc> Guma: what are you trying to do? What you are asking for wil lleave your system unsupported.
[22:52] <goptimus> hi
[22:54] <Guma> I am trying to make master image and set it up by default that it can not be upgraded. I know I can remove user from sudo. But such users will need this access. So all I want to do it lock current kernel so when someone does apt0get diet-upgrade it will not upgrade kernel. Ofcourse he will be able to unlock it if he really wants to.
[22:54] <Guma> So I am just trying to prevent accidental kernel updates.
[22:55] <nacc> Guma: ... but why?
[22:55] <nacc> Guma: you want your image to be insecure?
[22:56] <nacc> and/or have bugs, I guess
[22:56] <Borw3> ~ubuntu
[22:57] <Guma> No I want to control what version it is installed by default. Well to tell you the truth I know this is not the best solution. I come from RH so I am new on administration on Ubuntu. I guess I would like to setup "slave" machine where all my client machines point to this machine for any updates. So my master image would point for any updates to my slave machine. But since I am not familiar with this setup yet I am looking for something
[22:57] <Guma>  quick.
[22:58] <Guma> Unless you guys have proper solutions how to control production updates. So everyone is always on the same version
[22:58] <Guma> Or at least prevent from untested software to be upgraded
[22:59] <Guma> If that is not to hard and time consuming to setup I would go this route vs pinning like suggested above
[22:59] <nacc> Guma: it sounds like you a) want to create your own archive mirror, I guess and b) aren't really answering my question
[22:59] <kjarsty> I have successfully installed ubuntu 16.04 on an asus t100taf. However the efi partition tries booting windows recovery instead of grub.  How can I force the efi partition to boot grub?
[22:59] <nacc> Guma: becuase your suggested model does leave your machines insecure and buggy until you choose to update them
[23:00] <nacc> Guma: if that's really what you want, just remove the linux-image, linux-image-generic metapackages, and the kernel will stop getting new versions
[23:00] <nacc> (I believe)
[23:01] <Guma> nacc To answer your question I do not wish to leave machines secured. At the same time myself and my team will work on checking for updates and testing them with our home grown software. When we are ok with it then prod would updated from archive server.
[23:01] <Guma> So I do not intend leave machines not updated for months
[23:01] <nacc> Guma: your home grown software is that intertwined to the kernel?
[23:02] <Guma> But at the same time I wan to control else I might do much more support that I need to
[23:02] <Guma> nacc yes some devices drivers for some machines. But not all
[23:03] <Guma> So what it takes to setup archive server?
[23:03] <Guma> on 16.04
[23:04] <nacc> Guma: I don't think you really want to do that, but better aksed in #ubuntu-server
[23:13] <Guma> nacc of I will switch later. On another note when you stated "just remove the metapackages" Can you expend on it?
[23:14] <Guma> I see that I could do "apt-mark manual" to lock kernel from auto remove. But it still could be upgraded
[23:18] <dmenezes> Which Los Angles time zone should I use
[23:18] <dmenezes> there are two: one for the airport and one for USC campus
[23:18] <gordonjcp> dmenezes: interesting, are there really two time zones in Los Angeles?
[23:18] <dmenezes> No but the clocks app lists two
[23:19] <gordonjcp> dmenezes: the answer is, of course, neither
[23:19] <gordonjcp> dmenezes: you should be using GMT, like a civilised person
[23:19] <gordonjcp> dmenezes: joking aside, I wonder if it pulls NTP from one or the other, or maybe weather data?
[23:25] <semitones_tea> If I'm formatting an external HDD to use with ubuntu, but also read/writable with windows ext2fsd (http://www.ext2fsd.com/?p=236) how can I finetune the partition? Some of the features it doesn't support are 64-bit mode, Journaling (?), Extended Attributes, and ACL support.
[23:42] <nacc> Guma: sorry, was afk
[23:42] <Guma> np
[23:42] <nacc> Guma: there are metapackages that ensure you always have the latest kernel update
[23:42] <nacc> Guma: linux-image which in turn depends on linux-image-generic, iirc
[23:44] <Guma> nacc When I do apt list  and grep for linux-image the list I get is a metapackage. So removing such meta package sounds dangerous. What about if I want to enable it back?
[23:44] <Jordan_U> semitones_tea: If you're using it to hold / transfer files like videos / documents that don't tend to need special permissions information it's often easier to use NTFS, as Ubuntu supports NTFS quite well.
[23:45] <Guma> So if I have the meta package name I could to apt-mark manual metap_kg_name to prevent autoremove
[23:45] <semitones_tea> Jordan_U, fair enough -- although if it will be used for ubuntu 99% of the time, and windows only if necessary, will I get better features/performance out of ext4?
[23:45] <Guma> is apt hold meta package will work?
[23:46] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om, Hello. I'm the guy whose Ubuntu 16.04 won't boot from yesterday
[23:46] <nacc> Guma: so, for instance, on bionic currently, linux-image-generic ensures that the current version of linux-image-4.13.0-29-generic is installed
[23:46] <Jordan_U> Guma: linux-image-generic is the important metapackage to have installed.
[23:46] <nacc> Guma: in turn, you could pin the linux-image-x.x.x-x-generic package at a specific version
[23:46] <nacc> Guma: but the way to ensure no *new* kernel packages get installed is to remove the metapackages
[23:47] <nacc> I guess you could pin the meta package at the current version, alternatively
[23:47] <Guma> Aha. So I would not pin on linux-image-generic since this is always the latest. I would have to pin on specific version
[23:47] <nacc> Guma: well pinning generially is to a version
[23:48] <Guma> Do I have to pin linux-image-x.x.x-x-generic. That would be the top level package I only need pin? What about any package that this linux-image-x.x.x-x-generic depend on?
[23:48] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: Hey . Ya find a way to boot the Mac ?
[23:49] <RichardCavell> Not quite
[23:49] <RichardCavell> It's failing during boot sequence
[23:49] <RichardCavell> I have disabled swap, which has solved the problem of swap failing.
[23:49] <RichardCavell> But at a point in the boot sequence about 5 seconds in, it just suddenly powers off
[23:49] <nacc> Guma: as i said, you might be able to pin linux-image-generic
[23:50] <nacc> Guma: not sure what you mean, specifically, those packages won't move because of linux-image-x.x.x-x-generic, but might for other reasons
[23:50] <RichardCavell> If I leave the computer unattended, it just does that in a continuous cycle - power on, starts to boot, then sudden reboot as though it has been power-cycled, and repeat
[23:50] <Guma> Also when we state pin real command is "apt hold" unless there is another command. Just making sure
[23:50] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: How about we try amd boot explicitly from grub - still no experience with Mac's but can not hurt to try and see what errors we get .
[23:50] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om, Okay
[23:50] <RichardCavell> I am able to get to a root prompt.  Will that help?
[23:51] <nacc> Guma: if you really want to statically image the whole OS that's a different problem
[23:51] <nacc> Guma: no holding and pinning are different
[23:51] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: GPT partitioning .. lemme have a bit to think up how .
[23:51] <Guma> So if I do "apt hold linux-image-generic" that will prevent upgrades until I do "unhold"
[23:51] <nacc> Guma: please read `man apt-mark` and `man apt_preferences`
[23:52] <nacc> Guma: former for hold, latter for pinning
[23:52] <nacc> Guma: to that specific package, which is generally the way most systems get updates
[23:52] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: If you can get a root prompt .. then it is not a grub issue .
[23:52] <Guma> nacc Will do so not. Will come back if I have more questions. Thank you all for now :)
[23:52] <nacc> Guma: yeah, test it all, of course
[23:53] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: Remind me again, what release are we working with ?
[23:54] <Guma> nacc One more thing. Any suggested links or tutorials about setting ups archive server so I am read about it as well
[23:54] <RichardCavell> 16.04 MATE 64-bit and remember that my computer suffers from this issue: https://mattgadient.com/2016/07/11/linux-dvd-images-and-how-to-for-32-bit-efi-macs-late-2006-models/
[23:54] <Guma> Also does archive will allow me to control updates? Or could I also use this server to host out own deb packages as well
[23:55] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: reading .. 32 bit ?? We may have a problem .
[23:56] <nacc> Guma: as suggested, i'd ask in #ubuntu-server
[23:56] <Guma> nacc Yes that is correct. Sorry :)
[23:56] <RichardCavell> It booted fine for a couple of years but stopped working.  I speculate that at some point something has been updated and Ubuntu overwrote the files that are relevant to that URL
[23:57] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om, Note that this is the first time that I have tried to boot Ubuntu since the 4.13 kernel and the Spectre/Meltdown patches were applied.
[23:58] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: "you’ve probably got a 64-bit EFI so most 64-bit Linux distros should install and run. " ... is this the later iMac ?
[23:58] <Bashing-om> RichardCavell: ^^ and have you tried to boot up with an older kernel ?
[23:59] <mekarpeles> Anyone aware of a channel for #festival text to speech?
[23:59] <RichardCavell> Bashing-om, No, I have a 32-bit EFI!  That's why I have to use the special disk images from that website.  It's an 11 year old iMac, called an iMac5,1.  I have tried to boot with kernel 4.10 (which is still installed, alongside 4.13) but it doesn't work either, even in recovery mode