 @Andreas, i never had any problem installing ubports on nexus4..i am not sure about what is your problem but after many attempts i think there is one thing you shall do.. clear the cache.. but i don't remeber how to.. maybe someone else can give you a hint..
 @Stereofont, Thank you very much Lionel! In the past I always thought UBports does not work using Android 6 Kernel yet... :-)
 @wayneoutthere, Yeah Wayne, Lionel answered it! Thank you!
 @ignorare, That Lionel is actually a bot. People aren't that resourceful...
 @wayneoutthere, Is this true?? :-)
 No
 https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-phone-progress-report-the-first-of-many-more-to-come/
 @ignorare, I am really excited about librem 5. After i.mx8 my expectations are much more..
 it'
 i expect it to be open, not to be a superfast flagship
 I expect it to be both, hopefully, one day. :D
 NXP is about to be bought by qualcomm - there's little chance of them actually competing here
 @Andreas, Have you tried 'sudo ubports-installer' from the terminal?
 @rogieroudshoorn, +1
[09:57] <tgBot3> miguel was added by: miguel
 Hi
 sup
 I've a problem with the installer
 Hello miguel! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get started, please take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 For install problems, please come to the Newcomers Room (Wlcome&Install) to keep the supergroup from flooding with install debug
 @rogieroudshoorn, Competing with whom? And on what grounds? They aren't trying to compete with iPhone X on hardware.
 competing with qualcomm / mediatek on smarthphone chips
 they'll stick to the lower end stuff like automotive i presume
[11:33] <rah> ubport-installer tells me: "Uncaught error: ENOENT: no such file or directory, chmod '/tmp/tmp-25752Xayg2X5x0Ydz/fastboot' (MainRenderer:250)"
[11:34] <rah> it also tells me it in a text box where I can't select the text in order to copy-and-paste
[11:34] <rah> I'm trying to install on a Nexus 5
 @wayneoutthere, I for one welcome our robotic overlords
[12:27] <tgBot3> TobyTangle was added by: TobyTangle
 @stuiterveer, Eeks.
 I have read about UT on the Raspberry Pi - can someone tell more about it, please
 It's not, I guess
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/b3MoCDv4/file_3835.mp4
 @unknown, That sounds like UbuntuCore, not UT
 @alan_griffiths, Ubuntu Mate is available for the RasPi - but somebody have said something about UT on RasPi... somewhere 🤔
 @unknown, UT does not work on raspberry pi (yet) although there are a lot of people who believe this would be a good 'port'.  Currently it's 'not working on Ubuntu Touch' but yes, there are core Ubuntu installs that work I believe (Maybe Mate?)
 @alan_griffiths, i think people were talking about wanting it on pi (specifically on zerophone or whatever)
[13:57] <tgBot3> Jimmie Johnsson was added by: Jimmie Johnsson
 @wayneoutthere, Interesting - it just came up in my mind as I read about Linux kernel 4.15 including driver for Raspberry's Touch display
 @dohbee, I have just looked up zerophone - funny project … UT on Raspberry Pi would definitely be good for public attention
[14:08] <rah> debug: fastboot: wait for device
[14:08] <rah> debug: Running platform tool exec asar cmd echo MyFsckingPassword | sudo -S fastboot devices
[14:08] <rah> info: Download startCheck
[14:08] <rah> uh
[14:08] <rah> dafuq?
 @dohbee, I guess for devices that run mainline ubuntu (that's what a Pi can do right?) they can just hook up the ubports ppa?
 or did i miss something?
 @rogieroudshoorn, but that isn't the same as the phone/tablet. there are some differences in experience there. lots of stuff is strongly tied to the android HAL, especially in the arm builds
 Will the browser be updated to support Google+?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/TFxrEIZF/file_3837.jpg
 so yes, you can probably run a basic unity8 setup that way, but it will have some issues
[14:20] <rah> why is the installer displaying my password in its terminal output?
[14:20] <rah> let me rephrase that:
[14:20] <rah> THE INSTALLER IS DISPLAYING MY PASSWORD IN ITS TERMINAL OUTPUT
[14:21] <rah> THAT'S BAD BEYOND WORDS
[14:21] <rah> YOU NEED TO MAKE IT NOT DO THAT
 Pull Requests are always welcome
[14:23] <rah> le tme rephrase that:
[14:23] <rah> DISPLAYING THE USER'S PASSWORD IN THE TERMINAL OUTPUT OF A PROGRAM IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD NEVER DO
 I'm sorry the software you got for free isn't of admissable quality for you. I agree this is a problem, but I don't agree with your method of reporting it.
[14:23] <rah> PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU NEVER DO THAT EVER AGAIN IN ANY SOFTWARE ANY OF YOU WRITE EVER
 Shouting in here isn't going to fix it
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/QArLxZE2/file_3838
 @rah, You're welcome to fix it
 Hold on, I'm getting my popcorn...
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0d40k0DJ/file_3839.mp4
 Ok go
 @wayneoutthere, with butter on? If so i'll join you
 Once again: this not support, this is a community.
 no no time. just salt
 Lots of salt, it seems :)
 Ah ok that'll have to do then
 sweet popcorn with sugar
 hmmm
 @malditobastardo, +1
 Depends on the occasion, though
 If it's with a beer, salt all the way
 I'd use a regular popper but only time for microwave
 it's morning 6am so coffee and popcorn
 ok let's rock
 Hahaha
 😹😹
 Right. Forgot about time difference
 HEY! I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY! I'VE NOTICED NONE OF YOU LOSERS HAVE LISTENED TO THE RECENT AUDIOCAST!!  ALL OF YOU CAN GIT!!!
 👀
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/uTklKsM6/file_3840.mp4
 HEY!!
 America the continent?
 But on a bright note.. we have a new news@ubports.com email address.  You can send your news there
[14:28] <bshah> I am not sure if this is topic for popcorn.. no seriously.. ffs
 and.... thoes Photopea updates are cool
 Photopea got a new update today
 that's a really cool website too from browser.  it's like GIMP in a browser
 Ok is that stuff above buried yet?
 nice
 back to Ubuntu Touch
[14:32] <tgBot3> n_dkz was added by: n_dkz
 There are two America the continents.
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/54
 @rah, There is already an issue on GitHub
 @TartanSpartan, Depends on the definition.
 (I know, OT, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundaries_between_the_continents_of_Earth )
[14:52] <rah> now that the thing that prints my password has managed to install things on my phone, I'm actually really impressed
 where is central america?
 @rah, 🤣
[14:57] <rah> unknown: !
[14:59] <rah> what is used for contacts, evolution-data-server?
 @rah, I sent a laughing emoji. Did you only see a ?
[15:04] <rah> unknown: http://settrans.net/~rah/misc/what-i-saw.png
 @rah, yes
[15:06] <rah> dohbee: via libfolks, or as-is?
 @rah, no libfolks. the Qt API is used on top. syncevolution is also used for google/owncloud/etc
[15:10] <rah> I see, thanks
[15:11] <rah> yeah I can see a lot of Qt
[15:11] <rah> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/dialer-app/trunk/view/head:/src/dialerapplication.cpp
[15:11] <rah> is launchpad the upstream for dialer-app?
 @TomasOqvist, Actually not yet. That might be my last option actually, that or buy a brand new USB cable... have only tried the five I have here so far :-P. … Haven't had the time to find out, yet, how to get that installer.... ok downloaded .deb-Package fro installer, running it now.  … Will install 15.04 stable first. When using ubuntu-device-flash, it says it's only build 2 of that channel. does that mean it's rather old, or is it just that 
[15:12] <tgBot3> have been only a very selected number of builds uploaded to that chanel and No. 2 is quite recent?
 @rah, It would have been but ubports have moved things to github. The dialler app is here now: https://github.com/ubports/dialer-app
 Or put another way: The instructions on ubports.com tell you to user 15.04/devel for ubuntu-device-flash. Which way whould I go?
[15:14] <rah> padraic7a: gotcha, thanks
[15:18] <rah> https://elinux.org/images/c/cf/Ubuntu_Touch_Internals_1.pdf
 The good piece of news is, that the installer apparently is able to move beyond the recovery dialog: it entered Recovery and is now downloading the actual system files.  … ubuntu-device-flash and MDT never got to that point always "waiting for the device to enter recovery" and eventually "failed to enter recovery" despite the fact that Recovery more was active. … ... now pushing files... this looks so promising! Thanks Tomas for pushing me into
[15:18] <tgBot3> direction again.
[15:18] <rah> these slides mention a network-manager plugin for ofono
[15:18] <rah> but I can't find anything under https://github.com/ubports/
[15:18] <rah> did the plugin go upstream?
 @rah, i'm not sure what plug-in that would be
[15:23] <rah> dohbee: on page 16 of that document, it's talking about using this plugin to get data over the cellular connection
[15:24] <rah> ○ No support to talk with oFono (oFono was only compatible with  ConnMan)
[15:24] <rah> ○ New plugin created that talks to oFono and helps setting the data connection
[15:27] <rah> apparently that went upstream ages ago
[15:30] <rah> I see there's a telepathy-ofono but no telepathy-ring
[15:30] <rah> and it looks like telepathy-ofono's upstream is UT
 @rah, ok. that's a very old presentation. i'm not sure what plug-in it means. i don't recall an extra plug-in for network-manager there
[15:30] <rah> how come you guys didn't use telepathy-ring?
 why are you asking questions about why canonical made certain decisions?
 i guess the ubports devs don't know the answers, and the few people who were at canonical who hang in here, probably don't know either
[15:38] <rah> dohbee: I wasn't asked canonical, I was asking those present in this IRC channel :-)
[15:38] <rah> oops
[15:38] <rah> dohbee: because the people who made those decisions, or were aware of the reasoning behind those decisions, may be present
 @wayneoutthere, Work hours man wait for me to get hone
[15:45] <rah> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/telepathy-ofono/legacy/revision/67
[15:46] <rah> looks like it was ported to ofono from something called "Ufa" to do with android
[15:46] <rah> I'm guessing that was some libhybris-alike interface for android modem bits
 Hey guys, will bq e4.5 get the xenial update when it's ready?
 @rah, there are very few people who worked on the phone at canonical, in this chat. android/hybris is a reason for a lot of things, for sure.
 @skrech, 16.04 can already be installed from a devel build. it's pretty unstable though.
 What is the ETC for the 16.04 /stable build of ubports then ?
 June/July ?
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestone/8
 Just curious when it will be a OTA update that is all ;)
 Ubuntu Tablet is supported by 16.04?
 Sure
 Bloody hope so ;) its just started becoming usable again
 any chance we get 16.04 builds for Nexus 7 2013?
 @UniversalSuperBox hey Dalton, I notice that Stats have been offline for a couple of days now. Do you know whatup?
 Er, no. No I do not.
 just wondering if someone in particular shld be notified?
 not that we wont live otherwise but still
 and not that the stats were remotely true ;)
[16:58] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> Hey guys - so here's one I don't quite understand. Maybe I'm missing something. On the MaruOS website, there's a page showing peripherals known to be compatible with the Nexus 5 and for convergence. Amongst them a wireless Bluetooth mouse.. but it has a receiver.... What am I missing here.
 Some BT mice also have RF dongles for use when no BT is available. Or to switch between devices without having to resync BT
[17:04] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> Yes, I understand that  but for convergence it's unusable
 well if you don't connect to a monitor, you can use it via OTG :)
 but for MaruOS, it doesn't make sense I think 😁
 unless it works via Miracast...does it?
 @Mental Ataxia, why? what @YougoChats said is that you can use that mouse with bluetooth (so without the dongle) or with the dongle, if I am right. so in your case you can use only with bluetooth
[18:01] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> Michele Issue is I tried to  connect to it, but no signal came up. I'll have to try again later
[18:01] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> and I know what @Youg
 was the mouse in pairing mode?
[18:11] <tgBot6> James Cameron was added by: James Cameron
 @James Cameron, Welcome James! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 @Mental Ataxia, If the special dongle is required, then it's not truly a Bluetooth device.
 or a stupidly designed product :P
 imagine having a dongle that has a bluetooth receiver,LOL
[18:41] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> Trying to figure out how to get it in pairing mode. It simply has an on/off button
[18:43] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> Luckily it was cheap, but if it doesn't work.. then wow
 @Javacookies, many do. i have a presenter thing, which came with a bluetooth dongle. but it is bluetooth
 @Mental Ataxia, common way is "hold power button until led starts blinking red/blue" or something similar
[18:48] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> It's a switch, otherwise yeah that would be what I'd expect too
[18:48] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> The switch doesn't have a 'mid' option either
 oh
 then there should be a separate button i would think
 perhaps inside battery cover
[18:52] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> It's rechargeable via usb. I think it's not Bluetooth. The eBay page I bought it from says Wireless Bluetooth 2.4ghz, it probably needs the receiver.
[18:53] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> I mean, it'll be Bluetooth just dependant on the receiver, which back to my initial stump, makes little sense to use on a project like this xD
 @Mental Ataxia, I think they are usually paired already
[19:36] <tgBot6> <James Cameron> @Mental Ataxia, Can you send a link. I can view the item and try and get better information on pairing it.
 it's probably not actually bluetooth
 it's probably just cheap chinese wireless mouse
 Nice installation video on YouTube … Please add download links in description 😉
 If the mouse has not written the word Bluetooth, nearly sure it's not.
 which mouse is it? i don't see any ebay links on maru site
[20:02] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> Seems it was a cheap knockoff from one of the unsupported ones. I didn't pick it up myself, was just looking to test it, but that about rounds it off hah Onto the next
[20:02] <tgBot6> <Mental Ataxia> http://maruos.com/#/accessories ---> Under unsupported
[20:52] <tgBot6> falza_persona was added by: falza_persona
[20:58] <tgBot6> SvendOlaf was added by: SvendOlaf
 You wanna know the real porting experience?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/I4JT6ov0/file_3842.mp4
 At this point it has started and stopped so many processes that Upstart is having trouble determining running processes
 what that?
 That's `dmesg` on a very, very upset Moto G5 Plus
 u trying to port ubport to this device?
 Yes, I'm trying to port Ubuntu Touch to this device
 I wouldn't go out and buy one, though. It's slow progress.
 I'm mostly using it to improve Halium itsel
 what to do to become a porter? how does ur devloping enviroment look like?
 are ther docs/wiki/etc about that?
 there
 or: how can I flash my current device with my own rootfs?
 Our porting docs currently sit at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 Welcome @falza_persona and @SvendOlaf !  I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get started, please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[21:55] <tgBot6> jelkner was added by: jelkner
 Hi all.  I just purchased a One Plus One so I could use Ubuntu Touch, but the installer won't detect it.
 Sorry, I need to go to the Welcome and Install group
 @UniversalSuperBox, thx
 @jelkner, Don't worry. As you probably already know, https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome gets you all the most important information. But, first of all, welcome! 😄
 Can UT connect to hidden WiFi networks?
 @Stereofont, dont think so
 @rubencarneiro, Yes, apparently
 Yes it can