[06:24] <Nafallo> morning
[07:06] <duflu> Morning Nafallo, willcooke
[07:07] <duflu> Hmm, I think I just eliminated 40% of gnome-shell's CPU usage
[07:07] <duflu> Let's see if we can do better than that
[07:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:30] <Nafallo> salut oSoMoN
[07:39] <didrocks> good morning
[07:45] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:47] <Nafallo> salut didrocks seb128
[07:47] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[07:47] <didrocks> hello seb128, Nafallo
[08:15] <koza> duflu, i need to cancel today, sorry
[08:16] <duflu> koza, no problem - seb and will are away anyway
[08:16] <duflu> So that just leaves jibel ^
[08:20] <jibel> duflu, koza okay to skip. QA didnt start testing 5.48 for information
[08:22] <koza> jibel, dufly, thanks and see you next week
[08:22] <koza> duflu ^^
[09:03] <Laney> hey
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney! how are you?
[09:05] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:07] <Laney> hey seb128 didrocks
[09:08] <Laney> yeah I'm alright, bit tired though
[09:08] <Laney> you?
[09:14] <seb128> hey Laney, I'm fine, a bit tired as well
[09:15] <seb128> flu is over but my nose has been an issue and prevented me sleeping well yesterday
[10:38] <andyrock> hey all
[10:38] <duflu> Hi andyrock
[10:39]  * duflu EOD's
[11:20] <_amano> duflu, w00t. 40% is a massive gain 🆒
[13:42] <seb128> didrocks, do you feel like adding bug #1713171 to your backlog for when you have a hour slow where you feel like doing an easy MIR?
[13:43] <didrocks> seb128: sure!
[13:44] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[13:45] <seb128> didrocks, want to be added to the trello card? or just keep it as an unofficial "if you have a slot and feel like doing that"?
[13:46] <didrocks> seb128: hum, as you prefer, I have a tab opened which is enough for me, if you prefer to have MIR as trello cards, this is doable
[13:46] <seb128> didrocks, they are in the board, that card is in the blocked items column
[13:46] <seb128> just wondering if we keep it like that
[13:47] <seb128> or if you prefer to have you added and the card moved back to the backlog
[13:47] <didrocks> seb128: ah, no, just assign it to me in that case
[13:47] <seb128> k
[13:47] <seb128> thanks
[13:47] <didrocks> and move it to backlog
[13:47] <didrocks> thanks
[13:59] <seb128> didrocks, Trevinho, https://trello.com/c/yRe9PoQC/4-shortcut-help-dialog-on-long-super-press is a wontfix for this cycle right? or do you still hope to get design/work/reviews|distro patch on that?
[14:00] <didrocks> seb128: it's something that upstream is currently doing for 3.28
[14:00] <didrocks> I think we'll need to tweak it a little bit, hence I kept the card
[14:01] <seb128> oh ok, I didn't know that
[14:01] <seb128> do you have any reference to the work we could add to the card?
[14:03] <didrocks> seb128: I can find some, will do, but want to finish my current task while I'm at it
[14:05] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, sorry, I stop bothering you :)
[14:06] <seb128> hey kenvandine, wb; had nice holidays?
[14:06] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:06] <kenvandine> indeed, i had a great vacation
[14:07] <kenvandine> seb128, how have you been?
[14:08] <kenvandine> hey willcooke
[14:10] <seb128> kenvandine, had been better, got the flu, was feverish and shivering for several days, including while sitting 11hours in a plane
[14:10] <kenvandine> oh no
[14:10] <seb128> kenvandine, I spent sunday in bed here and got back on shape for monday morning so somewhat good timing
[14:10] <kenvandine> for some definition of good :)
[14:10] <seb128> yeah :)
[14:19] <tkamppeter> Laney, hi
[14:20] <tkamppeter> Laney, is there a way with a "remove" UDEV rule to get rid of the "loaded active plugged" state of the printer device on systemd?
[14:22] <tkamppeter> xnox: ^^
[14:28] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, can you have a look at bug 934291? I need cups-pk-helper sponsored.
[14:42] <Laney> tkamppeter: that's supposed to happen automatically, I think you have some kind of bug if it's not
[14:42] <tkamppeter> Laney, bug in UDEV or bug in systemd?
[14:42] <Laney> did you reboot your computer / try on a different one?
[14:42] <Laney> dunno
[14:43] <tkamppeter> Laney, yes, I already rebooted, but do not have another computer to try.
[14:44] <tkamppeter> Laney, so by unplugging or turning off the USB printer the "loaded active plugged" unit list entry should go away. without any "remove" UDEV rule?
[14:45] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, do you need that sponsored?
[14:46] <Laney> tkamppeter: yes, and like I say it works for the USB printer that I have
[14:46] <seb128> kenvandine, tkamppeter, adding a new user for that helper feels a bit weird, shouldn't use the same user than cups is or something which already exists?
[14:46] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, yes, with the last patch, I think it was comment #53.
[14:49] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, this debdiff includes multiple patches
[14:50] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah, i'd hate to add a new user if we don't want to
[14:50] <kenvandine> s/want/need/
[14:50] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, ^^
[14:51] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, I have only tested the debdiff whether it makes things work (and it does). I did not check whether it is introducing any security problem.
[14:51] <kenvandine> tedg, latest inkscape in edge starts now... woot!  the openclipart search doesn't work though, perhaps you need to add the network plug
[14:51] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, alternative solutions are welcome.
[15:03] <tkamppeter> Laney, I am upgrading to Bionic now, probably all new, kernel, udev, and systemd, could already solve it.
[15:05] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, if you think the solution with cups-pk-helper is wrong, please comment on the bug.
[15:07] <seb128> kenvandine, tkamppeter, I'm not saying it's wrong, but it doesn't feel optimal, I don't know enough about the cups stack to judge of the other options though (like changing the cups groups to add root) or use an existing user
[15:07] <kenvandine> yeah, i think we should ask the question
[15:09] <tkamppeter> seb128, adding root would be the simplest, but Debian folks (OdyX, see comments in bug report) did not like it. Then the other guy came up with changing cups-pk-helper several time, I tested, told him that it did not work, he did more chenges, and after some cycles it worked, and now I am asking you to sponsor this version.
[15:10] <tkamppeter> seb128, I personally would go the add-root way, but I do not want to add a Debian delta.
[15:10] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, so this is more likely to make it to debian?
[15:10] <seb128> also it seems to lower security by increasing priviledges for no good reason
[15:11] <seb128> how is system-config-printer doing to talk to cups?
[15:11] <seb128> can't cups-pk-helper do the same?
[15:19] <tedg> kenvandine: Woot! K, will do.
[15:20] <kenvandine> brb
[15:36] <Trevinho> didrocks: where did you find that the keybinding panel is going to be done upstream?
[15:46] <didrocks> Trevinho: I need to find back the reference, but I swear I didn't dream of it
[15:49] <seb128> there is a bug about the feature but it has no recent activity
[15:49] <seb128> so that was not there
[15:50] <didrocks> I'll dig when I have time for it (probably tomorrow morning)
[16:02] <tedg> kenvandine: I also seem to be missing the default GTK icons, not sure why that is. If you have a clue there it'd be helpful. I haven't investigated much.
[16:03] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, concerning the cups-pk-helper, at least OdyX did not complain about that.
[16:21] <tkamppeter> Laney, updated to Bionic, not even rebooted into the new kernel, and unplugging problem solved, has either been udev or systemd.
[16:22] <Laney> cool
[16:22] <Laney> is that worth trying to fix in artful?
[16:36] <tkamppeter> seb128, kenvandine, can you have a look at avahi, the version 0.7-3ubuntu2 which one of you had sponsored seems to be stuck in -proposed for a week already, infinitely waiting for the builds on the minor architectures (all but amd64 and i386).
[16:37] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, lots of things are still stuck in proposed
[16:38] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, what is happening here? Don't we have build servers for these architectures any more?
[16:40] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, they are still offline, maybe they were virtual?  I'm not really sure why... but last i heard they hadn't been brought back up yet.
[16:40] <Laney> they're off due to Spectre
[16:41] <kenvandine> we just need to be patient
[16:41] <Laney> afraid so, spare a thought for the kernel team ?
[16:42] <kenvandine> maybe send beer and snacks their way :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> at least amd64 is building now, so we can get some testing in
[17:04] <didrocks> hey, stupid question, but is there any way to know if a dconf key is locked down?
[17:04]  * didrocks doesn't find an API
[17:04] <didrocks> g_settings_is_writable
[17:05] <didrocks> ofc, no "lock" term when it's advertized everywhere with that term
[17:05] <didrocks> (in the official doc)
[17:06] <didrocks> however, unsure if there is a signal for writable state
[17:07] <didrocks> writable-change-event
[17:07] <didrocks> ok, all set!
[18:12] <Laney> night!
[18:46] <oSoMoN> night all
[20:22] <jbicha> jamesh: did you see the feedback at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/737362 ?