[09:01] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:04] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon
[09:05] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[10:03] <SuperMatt> morning reprobates
[10:03] <MooDoo> howdy SuperMatt
[10:04]  * SuperMatt tips hat
[10:05] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: new job ok
[10:05] <MooDoo> ?
[10:05] <SuperMatt> yeah, it's going well
[10:05] <SuperMatt> lots of learning to do
[10:05] <SuperMatt> because there's a lot of insanely clever stuff going on here
[10:07] <MooDoo> awesome
[10:28] <czajkowski> ola
[11:29] <awilkins> Gnnnnneh, Seahorse really needs fixing to tell you that it's generating a key
[11:29] <awilkins> It just drops out at the end of the dialog and doesn't tell you anything... so gpg2 is sat inthe background because your entropy pool is empty doing nothing
[11:31]  * awilkins installs `randomsound`
[11:36] <awilkins> Ok, now it has a plentify supply of real entropy on /dev/random, it's still just sitting there in the background
[11:43] <foobarry> redhat reverted their spectre microcode update
[11:43] <foobarry> due to instability
[11:44] <foobarry> now saying get it yerself
[11:44] <awilkins> Oh frabgious joy
[11:45] <SuperMatt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmFFvvW5yuM
[11:45] <SuperMatt> lava lamp entropy
[11:46] <awilkins> Heh, I like randomsound because you can install it on any hardware with a soundcard and get entropy for free (apart from not being able to do a webconf while it's generating)
[11:47] <awilkins> not sure it's working well though
[11:47] <MooDoo> windows users - https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm
[11:47] <awilkins> My entropy pool seems to be depleting but gpg2 isn't producing that little line of crosses it usually does (well, as far as I can tell from rumours)
[11:48] <awilkins> Randomsound definitely working because if I cat /dev/random it keeps coming (and my entropy_avail stat drops correspondingly and fills up when I stop it)
[13:53] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/musalbas/status/953066939001311232
[16:44] <brobostigon> afternoon boys and girls.
[16:44] <daftykins> \o
[16:44] <daftykins> sheesh long one today installing windows on an iMac for a client... no really
[16:47] <brobostigon> o/
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> and remember to put a dos icon on the windows desktop. emulate all the way down... :-)
[16:57] <daftykins> people used to joke about Windows Time, but have you seen Apple progress bars? "about 45 minutes remaining" means triple it :D
[17:01] <daftykins> i almost typed out a point by point of what went wrong, but i think you all should be spared that :)
[17:01] <daftykins> on the plus side, you can cycle off and get a lot done in the time it takes to do an OS upgrade on a mac ;D
[17:01] <SuperMatt> Macos is just as bad as windows these days
[17:01] <SuperMatt> they keep adding features, but not bug fixing
[17:02] <daftykins> oh far far worse, they recently had that root password bypass
[17:02] <SuperMatt> I've got one of the new macs, thanks to my new job, and it's got a cool finger print feature
[17:02] <SuperMatt> You'd think that they'd update all their built in password dialogues to use it
[17:03] <SuperMatt> but it's a mismash of some using it, and some not
[17:03] <daftykins> is that on the touch bar models?
[17:03] <SuperMatt> yup
[17:03] <daftykins> mmm even real fans seem to be groaning at how bad the OS quality control is going
[17:03] <daftykins> only care about their cash-cow phones and tablets, i imagine
[17:04] <SuperMatt> I found an issue that was just laugable, which hasn't been fixed for ages
[17:04] <SuperMatt> if you use three finger swipe to move between virtual desktops, you get a cool "over swipe" effect where the last desktop keeps scrolling and all you see is back
[17:04] <SuperMatt> I guess it's there to show you that you're on the last desktop and there are no more
[17:05] <SuperMatt> you can achieve the same thing with ctrl+left and ctrl+right
[17:05] <SuperMatt> however if you scroll to the right that way and reach the end, it shows the "over swipe" effect on the wrong side of the screen!
[17:12] <SuperMatt> I'm going to upgrade this machine to high seirra soon, I'll see if it suffers from the same problem, but I find it remarkable that it didn't fail quality checks
[17:24] <daftykins> :D
[17:24] <daftykins> sounds quirky, is that happening with El Capitan at the moment then?
[17:24] <daftykins> i can barely keep up with their release names now
[17:25] <SuperMatt> Sierra is mainline-1
[17:25] <SuperMatt> High Sierra is the latest
[17:25] <SuperMatt> I'm on Sierra
[17:25] <daftykins> ah yes El Cap must be 10.11
[17:25] <SuperMatt> I mean, who needsnames that are easy to track?
[17:25] <SuperMatt> Sounds about right
[17:26] <daftykins> my main clients ditched their old 2010 models at long last, they didn't really know their way around them
[17:26] <SuperMatt> If only there was an operating system that named and numbered their releases in such a way that they're easy to track
[17:26] <SuperMatt> Maybe move through the alphabet for the codename, and have the year and month as the version number
[17:26] <SuperMatt> it'll never catch on
[17:27] <daftykins> and users remembered to put 0's in the right place when referring to them ;D
[17:27] <SuperMatt> One of my gripes is people saying "I've just installed Ubuntu 17"
[17:27] <daftykins> :S agreed
[17:27] <SuperMatt> But then, why would most people think minor version numbers matter?
[17:27] <daftykins> especially for the non-LTS angle in that case
[17:28] <daftykins> yeah i think it was a fair while before i even realised it was year.month
[20:38] <directhex> daftykins: the coffee machine in this microsoft office seems to be suffering fro microsoft time. every day, the progress bar on coffee goes a bit less far before it finishes. right now it fills to about 20% before finishing
[20:38] <directhex> it doesn't make less coffee, it's just the bar declares finished at 20%
[20:38] <directhex> gets worse daily
[20:39] <daftykins> :D
[20:39] <daftykins> what's the brand?
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> this is a tea channel!! :-)
[20:39] <daftykins> never :O
[20:40] <directhex> daftykins: http://www.vkitech.com/products2.html