[00:10] <dorian> i have a luks container (file) that is 138gb, parted says the filesystem inside it is 138gb, when i mount it df says it's 96gb. anyone know what's causing that?
[00:11] <dorian> moreover i tried to extend it with cryptsetup resize and it told me /dev/loop0 was too small
[00:16] <bemo> just discovered "apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools" -- are there other large packages available for installation?  (essentially packages of groups of related packages)
[00:16] <bemo> (and is there a way to find those types of packages?)
[00:33] <TJ-> dorian: what file-system?
[00:36] <TJ-> bemo: they're called meta-packages and no there's isn't a particular way to discover them - they're effectively mimimal packages that define "Depends:" on lots of others, e.g. "ubuntu-desktop" See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages
[00:37] <bemo> TJ-: thanks!
[00:38] <dorian> TJ-: embedded filesystem is ext3
[00:39] <dorian> or whatever you want to call the filesystem inside the container
[00:39] <dorian> (the container is itself a file on another file system)
[00:39] <TJ-> bemo: there's a "metapackages" section in the archives but not all meta-packages are in it. You can search the local system for those using " awk '/^Package:/{P=$2} P!="" && /^Section: metapackages/{print P; P=""}' /var/lib/dpkg/status "
[00:40] <bemo> TJ-: awesome -- thanks again!
[00:40] <TJ-> dorian: OK, so we've got file > LUKS/dm-crypt > ext3
[00:40] <dorian> indeed
[00:40] <jeri> Hello Everybody I have a problem: I have ATI Radeon HD 4350 graphic card and when i installed ubuntu (both 14 and 16) my computers graphic decreased greatly. Did every single suggestion from internet, none helped. Can someone help please?
[00:41] <dorian> and when mounted it reports about 40gb short
[00:42] <jeri> anyone?
[00:42] <jeri> pvt
[00:43] <bemo> TJ-: looks like the awk command is expecting input from something else -- what should I be sending to it?   (I'm still new to Ubuntu)
[00:43] <bemo> TJ-: nevermind!
[00:43] <bemo> TJ-: just realized I missed a continuation of the line on my screen
[00:43] <bemo> TJ-: (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
[00:44] <jeri>  I have a problem: I have ATI Radeon HD 4350 graphic card and when i installed ubuntu (both 14 and 16) my computers graphic decreased greatly. Did every single suggestion from internet, none helped. Can someone help please?
[00:44] <jeri> pvt
[00:50] <Tahr-user> hi. i did an update of ubuntu 16.04. It requires restart ubuntu. whwen i restarted pc choose ubuntu at grub push enter and becomes a grey screen with cursor . what can i do?
[00:54] <Bashing-om> Tahr-user: When from grub you boot that old kernel, what results ?
[00:54] <adman120> hey how do i set static ip
[00:58] <Tahr-user> Bashing-om how can i do it?
[01:00] <Tahr-user> back in a minute
[01:01] <altaiir>  Salut, soucis avec artful_aardvark-64>xfce J'ais choppé des thèmes sur https://www.xfce-look.org/ qui ne fonctionne pas très bien (certains) alors qu'il fonctionne (les mêmes) sur xenial-32 cela peut il avoir avec la migration vers Gtk3.0? Merci...
[01:03] <Bashing-om> !fr | altaiir
[01:04] <Guest34396> Hey, I need some help on fixing a dualboot install of ubuntu on a win 7 system with raid drives. can some one point me in the right direction
[01:07] <ner0x> If I want a window to stop showing up on all desktops, how do I stop it? Ubuntu 17.10 Thanks in advance.
[01:07] <TJ-> bemo: as the metapackages are all quite small this will list them smallest first so the first 50 or so should be meta. " awk '/^Package:/{P=$2} P!="" && /^Installed-Size:/{print P, $2; P=""}' /var/lib/dpkg/status | sort -k 2 -n | less "
[01:08] <bemo> TJ-: it also appears these are only the ones that are currently installed on my machine... <?>
[01:10] <adman120> hey how do i set static ip
[01:11] <TJ-> adman120: one of about 3 ways depending on what you're using for network management. Is it a desktop system?
[01:11] <adman120> no cli only
[01:12] <TJ-> adman120: server? and which ubuntu release?
[01:12] <adman120> server
[01:12] <adman120> 17.10
[01:13] <TJ-> adman120: ok, so that uses netplan to generate a config for systemd-networkd
[01:15] <TJ-> adman120: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[01:16] <TJ-> adman120: that page contains an example of a static address in the section "How do I configure a single interface with netplan so it works now and at next boot?"
[01:22] <H1d3> iptables who knows bout em
[01:23] <audio-seeker> what is the command for playing audio wave from the terminal
[01:24] <H1d3> sudo apt-get install mpg123
[01:24] <new2linux> Bashing-om: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE -> x11
[01:24] <H1d3> play something.wav
[01:25] <TJ-> audio-seeker: there's paplay which'll play anything supported by libsound
[01:25] <TJ-> audio-seeker: that's the pulse audio play tool
[01:25] <Bashing-om> new2linux: Ho Kay .. booting Xorg . At this time what is your end goal ?
[01:26] <new2linux> what do you mean booting Xorg?
[01:26] <new2linux> I removed the nvidia drivers and made sure the nuevo or whatever drivers are there and rebotted
[01:26] <new2linux> rebotted=rebooted
[01:26] <new2linux> yet
[01:26] <ecormier> audio-seeker: aplay
[01:26] <new2linux> I am still not booting into 2560x1440 mode (as has been my goal from the start)
[01:26] <audio-seeker> ecormier: I type aplay /media/xubuntu/16GBPINK/Holly's Music/Illusion (Non-Vocal) VNV Nation Cover.wav
[01:27] <audio-seeker> nothing happens
[01:27] <Tin_man> audio-seeker, also you can install sox which will play from the command line " sudo apt install sox"
[01:27] <ecormier> works here, have you double checked the audio device output and all volumes (in alsamixer)?
[01:27] <new2linux> Bashing-om: aren't we talking about video drivers, Xorg is the people that make the desktop, no?
[01:27] <new2linux> Bashing-om: what am I misunderstanding?
[01:28] <tahr234031> Bashing-om i started with the old kernel and it boots ok.
[01:29] <Bashing-om> new2linux: In 17.10 one can have a wayland or an Xorg session, in your case ( hybrid graphics ) you are currently restricted to Xorg, as nvidia and wayland do not play nice; if you want to use the nvidia proprietary driver it is Xorg ( X11) for you .
[01:29] <annaheim> Hi guys, I'm curious if anyone here could help me disable the "Applications" button? https://i.imgur.com/WaKHtrQ.png
[01:29] <annaheim> I'm using the dash to panel extensions
[01:30] <H1d3> iptables i want to DROP packets with DESTINATION of  host ip but want to ACCEPT any other packets with any other IPs as DESTINATION address.... Possible??
[01:31] <H1d3> i have a host with a couple VMs and only want them to be routed. dont want to be able to ping host machine
[01:31] <altaiir> hello, have a problem cause Artfull_Aardvark-64>xfce display not correctly themes from https://www.xfce-look.org/ while they works in Xenial_Xerus-32. May be the gtk3.0 migration about Xfce? Thanks...
[01:32] <new2linux> Bashing-om: I think you are presuming what I want and perhaps I've been unclear in how I have articulated my goals. Please, respectfully allow me to clarify: I am interested in choosing software that will be "the way of the future" not things that are on the horizon of being decommissioned (as I understand wayland is the way of the future, not Xorg). Moreover, I care not if we use open source or closed source drivers, what I want 
[01:32] <new2linux> Bashing-om: I am open to any configuration that meets those goals and am not sure what I must do to meet them.
[01:33] <JonelethIrenicus> i bet if freenode kicked bots most channels would have like 10 people in them
[01:33] <new2linux> JonelethIrenicus: I am not a bot and nor do I play one on TV!
[01:33] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: haha good to know
[01:33] <dax> beep boop
[01:34] <JonelethIrenicus> ubuntu is usually always active but sometimes i will go into a channel and it will have hundreds of people in it and not one person says anything for over an hour
[01:34] <audio-seeker> what's the correct aplay command please something with pcm?
[01:34] <dax> JonelethIrenicus: those aren't bots, they're people who leave their IRC client connected 24/7 but aren't always watching it
[01:35] <dax> most of #ubuntu is like that too, and we only have a handful of bots in here
[01:35] <Bashing-om> new2linux: Wayland will be the furure . At present wayland and Nvidia do not play nice - for the naumce but who knows when the issues will be reolved. Now that said, if you want to use wayland as your environment, then you must use the open source driver nouveau.
[01:35] <JonelethIrenicus> dax: i am kind of curious why would you do that?
[01:35] <JonelethIrenicus> just harvesting conversations? :D
[01:35] <dax> JonelethIrenicus: so you can read scrollback when you get back and are bored
[01:36] <dax> dunno why people idle in here though, i only do it 'cause i'm a chanop here
[01:36] <JonelethIrenicus> dax: man some people have a lot of time on their hands
[01:36] <dax> mhm
[01:36] <JonelethIrenicus> i guess maybe when i retire or something
[01:36] <new2linux> I prefer to use wayland (as its the future) and I believed (until now) that I had nouveau installed (and nvidia extirpated from system)
[01:36] <docmur> Hey guys, I'm trying to use the Xtensa ESP32 tool chain, I downloaded the files, installed the dependancies, extracted the files to /home/user/ESP32/xtensa-esp32-elf/  then set my path so looks in the bin of that folder.  When I type xte and press <tab><tab> I can see al lthe programs, but when I try to run them I get bash <path> no such file or directory and if I go into the folder and do ./xtensa-esp32-elf-gcc I get the same message,
[01:36] <new2linux> Bashing-om: how can we verify that this is the case?
[01:36] <H1d3> anyone mess with iptables
[01:37] <docmur> I'm on Ubuntu 17.10
[01:37] <JonelethIrenicus> H1d3: i dont mess with IP tables i use ufw
[01:37] <dax> H1d3: if you don't get an answer here, there are also #ubuntu-server and #netfilter
[01:39] <Bashing-om> new2linux: ' lsmod | grep nvidia ; lsmod | grep nouveau ; sudo lshw -C display ' . take it from there and see what else we might have to do .
[01:40] <new2linux> Bashing-om: one second, lemme run'em
[01:40] <Bashing-om> new2linux: Right .. ya want to reboot into wayland .
[01:41] <blackflow> !ask | H1d3
[01:42] <tomreyn> docmur: use the 'which' and 'readlink -f' commands to ensure what 'echo $PATH' reports is set to the correct directory.
[01:42] <H1d3> ?
[01:43] <docmur> @tomreyn - good idea!
[01:43] <new2linux> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26407926/
[01:43] <Bashing-om> new2linux: Look'n .
[01:43] <new2linux> Bashing-om: what do you mean I want to boot right into wayland, is that not what is running now or is it using Xorg?
[01:43] <new2linux> Bashing-om: how can we tell which it is using?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> new2linux: "  echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE -> x11 "
[01:44] <new2linux> so X11 means wayland is NOT running then, correct?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> new2linux: "  echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE -> x11 " That is Xorg session .
[01:45] <new2linux> Bashing-om: what must I do to configure wayland to be what is in force?
[01:45] <Bashing-om> new2linux: Of yo8u have not altered the default files. on the login box. click on the icon in upper right to change the session .
[01:46] <new2linux> Bashing-om: Wayland is not the default for 17.10? I thought it was
[01:46] <dax> I believe that wayland is default for AMD and Intel, not for Nvidia.
[01:46] <dax> not 100% sure though, as I don't have any nvidia
[01:46] <new2linux> well my system has Intel and Nvidia graphics cards
[01:47] <dax> yes, in that case it goes with xorg
[01:47] <new2linux> I see
[01:47] <Bashing-om> new2linux: The drive I had 17.10 on died on me, I no longer have accesss . I honestly do not recall what was the default session .
[01:47] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: not gonna really make a huge difference anyway
[01:47] <new2linux> JonelethIrenicus: it sure is if I can't get it to go into 2560x1440 mode
[01:47] <new2linux> that is the goal
[01:48] <new2linux> to get full graphics resolution on bootup
[01:48] <JonelethIrenicus> on what card?
[01:48] <new2linux> whatever card it is using
[01:48] <new2linux> I have no idea how to tell if it is using the intel or nvidia card
[01:48] <JonelethIrenicus> I have a 1070
[01:48] <JonelethIrenicus> nvidia prime does switching really well
[01:48] <JonelethIrenicus> on x11
[01:49] <annaheim> hello
[01:49] <annaheim> How are you guys?
[01:49] <new2linux> I tried to use nvidia prime and could not figure it our or what to run, gave up on that
[01:49] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: you just install the software and change it in nvidia-settings
[01:49] <JonelethIrenicus> it is a gui
[01:49] <new2linux> no one knew how to tell me how to use or install it and I am very ignorant of graphical stuff
[01:49] <JonelethIrenicus> you install it with the driver manager
[01:49] <new2linux> I ran nvidia-settings and had no idea what to do
[01:49] <JonelethIrenicus> it is also a gui
[01:49] <new2linux> it was not intuitive at all
[01:49] <new2linux> no profiles
[01:49] <new2linux> no configs
[01:49] <new2linux> nothing to modify
[01:50] <new2linux> I gave up
[01:50] <JonelethIrenicus> it has an option that says switch to intel
[01:50] <JonelethIrenicus> it is literally one click bud
[01:50] <cfhowlett> ping
[01:51] <JonelethIrenicus> i'd show you a screenshot but i dont have that laptop i used with that any more but it had a 970m and intel and worked get
[01:51] <JonelethIrenicus> great*
[01:51] <new2linux> all I want to do is use stuff that will work and get me 2560x1440 resolution on boot up
[01:51] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah i boot in 4k every day with nvidia
[01:51] <docmur> @tomreyn - which sees the right location and readlink -f doesn't
[01:52] <tomreyn> docmur: broken symlinks?
[01:52] <docmur> no, they seem fine :S
[01:52] <tomreyn> docmur: lack of permissions on target?
[01:53] <altaiir> hello, have a problem cause Artfull_Aardvark-64>xfce display not correctly themes from https://www.xfce-look.org/ while they works in Xenial_Xerus-32. May be the gtk3.0 migration about Xfce? Thanks...
[01:53] <cfhowlett> altaiir, ask #ubuntu+1 for support
[01:54] <tomreyn> !artful
[01:54] <docmur> Trying with an updated toolchain
[01:55] <tomreyn> cfhowlett: not really +1, is it?
[01:55] <cfhowlett> doh!  right. sorry tomreyn and altaiir
[01:55] <Bashing-om> altaiir: Also #xfce on this server will know more about theming issues in xfce4.
[01:55] <tomreyn> np :)
[01:56] <dax> !netsplit
[01:56] <docmur> @tomreyn - Totally a toolchain issue, the newer version is fine :), thanks for the suggestions!
[01:56] <altaiir> cfhowlett it's not support?
[01:56] <tahr234031> hi, i did an update in my ubuntu 16.04 and when restart my pc after choosing ubuntu in grub leaves me in a grey screen with cursor. I can boot the old kernel version. how can i fix it?
[01:56] <cfhowlett> altaiir, I gave bad advice thus my apology.  ask for support here
[01:58] <tomreyn> welcome, d0cmur
[01:59] <Budgii> On line 19 I am getting that I need to define shutil, how do I do that? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26407970/
[02:00] <cfhowlett> pretty sure that's a question for #python Budgii
[02:01] <Budgii> Oops. that message was meant for the #python channel. My apologies!
[02:01] <Budgii> yessir!
[02:01] <cfhowlett> :)
[02:01] <altaiir> cfhowlett, thanks I test #xfce too
[02:03] <fishcooker> how to Install packages without running the service?
[02:07] <louvetv> hello I have a question regarding netatalk, I am trying to setup a timemachine backup service for multiple macs. However as soon as the first user creates a .plist file then a subsequent user goes to read said .plist file, the backup process for the 2nd user fails due to a permission issue
[02:16] <fishcooker>  /join #ansible
[02:26] <tomreyn> louvetv: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685878
[02:30] <altaiir> hello, have a problem cause Artfull_Aardvark-64>xfce display not correctly themes from https://www.xfce-look.org/ while they works in Xenial_Xerus-32. May be the gtk3.0 migration about Xfce? Thanks...
[02:31] <altaiir> somebody help me please
[02:31] <krytarik> (Fwiw, I just answered this in #xfce.)
[02:33] <coder123> hello i have a specific question about trying to connect to wifi can I ask it here?
[02:33] <cfhowlett> coder123, ask
[02:34] <coder123> thanks. I'm trying to connect my computer to my school's wifi and when i compared the settings that my phone has since it was successful i think i see what the issue is but idk how to solve it....
[02:35] <coder123> my phone uses PEAP but idont see that was an option on my computer
[02:36] <cfhowlett> coder123, you'd probably be better served by asking your school for support connecting.  They have much more experience with this specific issue
[02:37] <coder123> ok i already tried in the past they clueless when it comes to linux
[02:39] <coder123> i was directed here from the kubuntu channel i run kubuntu 16.04
[02:39] <tomreyn> in case it's eduroam, there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1104476
[02:40] <tomreyn> i dont know whether this affects later ubuntu releases, or how.
[02:40] <coder123> unfortunately it's not eduroam
[02:41] <coder123> i se eduroam as an option but we're told not to use because it's old andf wouldd be taken offline even though it hasnt yety
[02:42] <tomreyn> well it may be some other network without a CA certificate
[02:42] <tomreyn> in which case that bug report may still provide relevant information and workarounds
[02:45] <coder123> ok thanks according to my phone the CA certifificate is unspecified so ill check that out
[02:46] <tomreyn> good luck. /me afk
[02:52] <roothorick> How do I disable vesafb? It appears to be compiled into the kernel so blacklist does nothing
[02:53] <t0no6a> recompile your kernel
[02:55] <roothorick> This isn't a custom kernel. That can't be the standard recommendation, especially with the NV binary driver complaining loudly about its presence
[02:55] <TJ-> roothorick: you'd need to pass a command-line argument to the kernel
[02:56] <roothorick> TJ-: what, exactly? Everything Google turns up has done exactly nothing
[02:56] <coder123> the guidance in the settings mentioned in this question was the answer I needed https://askubuntu.com/questions/279762/how-to-connect-to-wpa2-peap-mschapv2-enterprise-wifi-networks-that-dont-use-a-c
[02:56] <coder123> thanks a million
[02:57] <jeromelanteri> for systemd, does ubuntu has same control managment than archlinux ?
[02:57] <dax> systemd's pretty much the same across all distros using it
[02:57] <dax> i'm sure there are some minor variations but i can't think of any
[02:58] <jeromelanteri> for exemple, if i want to use sshd.socket instead of sshd.service, does command: "systemctl enable sshd.socket" should link /etc/systemd/system/sshd.socket to /lib/systemd/system/sshd.socket file ?
[02:58] <jeromelanteri> dax, actually, this command failed...
[02:59] <jeromelanteri> "failed to start sshd.socket: unit sshd.socket not found
[03:00] <jeromelanteri> but find / -name sshd.socket find it at /lib/systemd/system/sshd.socket
[03:00] <dax> it's ssh, not sshd
[03:00] <jeromelanteri> so... what's wrong with ubuntu here ?
[03:00] <jeromelanteri> dax, definitly, it is sshd
[03:00] <dax> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/openssh-server/filelist k
[03:00] <jeromelanteri> ssh is a client, sshd is a server
[03:01] <dax> ... no
[03:01] <jeromelanteri> dax, did you read your own link before ?
[03:01] <roothorick> The answer appears to be GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=text
[03:01] <dax> jeromelanteri: yes. did you read the bit where it says "/lib/systemd/system/ssh.socket"
[03:01] <dax> and not "/lib/systemd/system/sshd.socket"
[03:02] <altaiir> dax is right it's ssh but i understand jeromelanteri because it's not logic
[03:02] <dax> because ubuntu (and debian) name the openssh service that way. different distros name it differently.
[03:02] <jeromelanteri> dax, ho ok...
[03:03] <dax> like how some name Apache httpd "apache2" and some name it "httpd"
[03:03] <jeromelanteri> yes correct dax
[03:03] <jeromelanteri> dax, thank you
[03:03] <dax> you're welcome
[03:05] <jeromelanteri> dax, you may know it... i not understand the difference between ssh.socket and ssh@.service, could you tell me please ?
[03:05] <jeromelanteri> does it mean ssh@service start when a user connect when use ssh.socket ?
[03:05] <rfleming> Hello Happy #ubuntu people
[03:06] <rfleming> I have installed ubuntu from mini.iso, then proceeded to install vanilla-gnome-desktop
[03:06] <jeromelanteri> rfleming, hi and happy new year...
[03:06] <rfleming> now NetworkManager is not managing my wired adapter
[03:06] <new2linux> JonelethIrenicus: Don't get me wrong, I am sure it is possible as when I boot "nomodeset" Linux runs in 2560x1440 mode. Granted, I have no idea why that works and other stuff doesn't. But, that said, I am happy to follow whatever instructions someone has to help me make it work!
[03:06] <rfleming> jeromelanteri: Happy new year to you as well! :)
[03:06] <TJ-> roothorick: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootGraphicsArchitecture for an understanding of what is going on. It looks like the old mechanism to disable/unload the module has been removed.
[03:07] <new2linux> JonelethIrenicus: Bashing-om has tried a lot to help and I've tried everything yet still cannot get that mode to work, I'd love to get it fixed!
[03:07] <roothorick> Well, that didn't help. I managed to narrow down the issue though
[03:07] <new2linux> JonelethIrenicus: I am entirely indifferent to what mix of software I use in Ubuntu, as long as I can get it to work in 2560x1440 mode (I have an XPS 2720 All in one)
[03:08] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: i don't mess with anything, I add the nvidia repo to my system and install the nvidia drivers, but honestly you don't even have to do that you can just install it with the driver manager.
[03:08] <comet23> i am on a vps right now
[03:08] <roothorick> Using NV binary driver, this has persisted across multiple driver versions. I have screen tearing no matter what settings/env variables are changed and where, except for "Force Composition Pipeline" in nvidia-settings. However, that causes crashes when moving certain windows between monitors
[03:08] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: once you do that all the settings should be in the nvidia settings manager
[03:08] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: things are super easy nowadays
[03:08] <comet23> i was wondering how can i install a gui and connect to it via gui?
[03:09] <jeromelanteri> comet23, you have lot of space on your vps then ?
[03:09] <roothorick> Force Composition Pipeline also makes windows open on the wrong monitor for some reason. I just don't get it
[03:10] <comet23> its unlimited
[03:10] <TJ-> new2linux: when you say "at boot-up" do you mean whilst GRUB boot-loader is active, and whilst Linux kernel is getting started?
[03:10] <roothorick> I hope this is mostly an "Old Gnome3" thing and 18.04 is better
[03:10] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: if you have been messing with a bunch of stuff you either have to delete all of it or start fresh
[03:10] <dax> jeromelanteri: i haven't done much with socket activation, but i believe ssh@.service is what gets called when ssh.socket activates, yes
[03:10] <jeromelanteri> comet23, install xorg server and desktop things... then install a secure VNC server like x2go
[03:10] <comet23> i lied
[03:10] <dax> jeromelanteri: whereas ssh.service is the normal non-socket-activated ssh unit file
[03:10] <comet23> 40 gigs
[03:10] <jeromelanteri> dax, ok, thank you.
[03:11] <jeromelanteri> comet23, 40Go is good enough
[03:11] <roothorick> Currently using the new 390 beta, but I had the same issue on 387, 384, and some 37x I can't remember
[03:11] <jeromelanteri> comet23, or you can use openssh and X11 forwarding access
[03:11] <comet23> is there a guide
[03:12] <comet23> im not that smart
[03:12] <jeromelanteri> comet23, depend what you want to do
[03:12] <comet23> i just want to downoad a udemy video
[03:12] <comet23> but wget requires authentication
[03:12] <new2linux> TJ-: No, actually its in hi-res mode at that point because GFXMODE=2560x1440 or that...I am talking about after the kernel takes over.
[03:12] <jeromelanteri> comet23, i know some many "guide" for each elements, not for a complete tutorial. because there is many choice possible to hang on X/GUI remote control
[03:13] <new2linux> JonelethIrenicus: how do I install the nvidia drivers with driver-update or that?
[03:13] <TJ-> comet23: that's because wget isn't sending a user-agent header; Try using the "w3m" command-line browser
[03:13] <comet23> w3m
[03:13] <jeromelanteri> comet23, i know archwiki documents who are very concise and clear, but it is not for ubuntu (it can help by the way)
[03:13] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: you type driver manager into your application launcher and then click the radio button for your drivers
[03:13] <TJ-> new2linux: have you got GRUB gfxpayload=keep
[03:13] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: it is easier than windows... you don't even need to download anything yourself
[03:14] <comet23> im going to try w3m
[03:14] <comet23> thank you
[03:14] <jeromelanteri> comet23, w3m is nice, but not supported by many VNC. You should aybe use a X11 forwarding way.
[03:14] <new2linux> JonelethIrenicus: one sec
[03:14] <comet23> if i can just download via w3m i am set
[03:15] <new2linux> we are talking about Ubuntu here right? I typed "driver manager" into the app search "No Results."
[03:15] <jeromelanteri> comet23, waiting, my fault, i was thinking about w3m to be i3 window manager... but it is not.
[03:15] <comet23> because then i just need to download the video and upload it to this server because someone said they bet that their coding guide teaches bad authentication practices
[03:15] <comet23> no worries jeromelanteri
[03:15] <new2linux> TJ: I am not sure, if I am booted up where would I check for that?
[03:15] <comet23> later everyone
[03:15] <comet23> thank you for the help
[03:16] <TJ-> new2linux: if the kernel has it ("cat /proc/cmdline") you will see "vt.handoff=7"
[03:16] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: https://www.howtogeek.com/213488/how-to-install-hardware-drivers-on-linux/
[03:17] <JonelethIrenicus> new2linux: https://askubuntu.com/questions/47506/how-do-i-install-additional-drivers
[03:18] <new2linux> TJ-: Its interesting, normally ALT-F7 takes me to the GUI and I have terminals on ALT-F1 to ALT-F6, seems its on ALT-F1 now
[03:18] <new2linux> odd
[03:18] <new2linux> TJ-: I checked /etc/default/grub didn't see gfxpayload
[03:19] <new2linux> JonelethIrenicus: I will check those sites!
[03:21] <TJ-> new2linux: you won't, as I said, it's seen on the kernel command line
[03:22] <new2linux> ok, so what would I add to the command line? vt.handoff=7 I make sure is there?
[03:23] <new2linux> TJ: or do I add gfxpayload=keep to the command line? or both?
[03:23] <new2linux> TJ: presuming it works, how do I add it permanently so it remains persistent across reboots?
[03:24] <TJ-> new2linux: Are you reading what I type?
[03:24] <TJ-> new2linux: if the kernel has it ("cat /proc/cmdline") you will see "vt.handoff=7"
[03:24] <shenglin> Shenglin
[03:25] <shenglin> Hello everyone?
[03:25] <shenglin> /user
[03:25] <rfleming> anyone know how to get NetworkManager to manage a wired interface on mini.iso installed ubuntu?
[03:26] <shenglin> don't know
[03:28] <shenglin> ubuntu core
[03:29] <rfleming> shenglin: what about ubuntu core?
[03:31] <TJ-> new2linux: gfxpayload is set by the GRUB function gfxmode() based on the setting linux_gfxmode=keep which is set in grub.cfg when GRUB isn't doing a 'recordfail' boot and the GFX device isn't blacklisted.
[03:35] <rfleming> Anyone know how to allow my system to manage wired network?
[03:36] <TJ-> rfleming: same as any other network device
[03:36] <rfleming> TJ-: GNOME says "Wired unmanaged"
[03:36] <rfleming> I checked /etc/NetworkManager on a different system, and the two directories are identical
[03:37] <TJ-> rfleming: ensure the device isn't configured in ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces{,.d/*} - if it is NM won't take it over
[03:37] <TJ-> rfleming: with that NM should auto-create "Wired connnect 1" etc
[03:38] <TJ-> rfleming: with that NM should auto-create "Wired connnection 1" etc
[03:39] <rfleming> TJ-: the only thing in interfaces is lo
[03:40] <TJ-> rfleming: OK, check /var/log/syslog - NM is very verbose about everything it does
[03:41] <Bashing-om> rfleming: Minimal install does not include the network-manager , Did you install NM ?
[03:42] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I think rfleming means the install started from the mini.iso
[03:42] <rfleming> TJ-: Jan 17 21:53:41 sigma NetworkManager[2082]: <info>  [1516244021.1228] audit: op="connection-add-activate" pid=1290 uid=1000 result="fail" reason="Connection 'Wired connection 1' is not available on the device enp0s25 at this time."
[03:43] <rfleming> that's right, I installed from mini.iso
[03:43] <TJ-> rfleming: nice! can you "pastebinit /var/log/syslog" ?
[03:43] <new2linux> TJ: then I need to set "linux_gfxmode=keep" in /etc/default/grub I'd presume since I was told to not modify (and I think it says it in the file) /etc/boot/grub.cfg
[03:44] <rfleming> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26408381/
[03:44] <new2linux> TJ: and yes, I am reading what you are typing
[03:44] <TJ-> new2linux: no, you don't and can't
[03:45] <new2linux> TJ: ok, so, there is no way for me to force that parameter to fix it?
[03:45] <TJ-> new2linux: It is set /automatically/ by GRUB based on the boot-time conditions
[03:45] <new2linux> oh
[03:45] <rfleming> basically, I installed the base from mini.iso, then installed vanilla-gnome-desktop from cli because the option in tasksel in mini.iso doesn't actually install GNOME
[03:45] <arktvrvs> you can force any parameter with some c ;)
[03:45] <rfleming> c c c si si c c si
[03:45] <new2linux> TJ-: so then what conditions do I need to make this work then?
[03:45] <rfleming> see?
[03:45] <arktvrvs> c c c!!
[03:46] <TJ-> new2linux: that's why I said check if if /proc/cmdline shows the vt.handoff=
[03:46] <rfleming> TJ-: I used 'meld' to compare /etc/NetworkManager from my working partition and this one... there is no differences between the two, what-so-ever.
[03:47] <comet23> i just installed realvnc on my comuter and the vps
[03:47] <comet23> how do i connect to it?
[03:47] <TJ-> rfleming: I'm reading... I may be gone some time!
[03:47] <rfleming> TJ-: I also compared /etc/network and besides VPN stuff, the only thing missing is ethtool from if-pre-up.d
[03:47] <comet23> kj
[03:48] <rfleming> oh, and interfaces.d is missing
[03:48] <rfleming> (but it's empty)
[03:48] <TJ-> rfleming: before I read too far - are you able to bring the wired ethernet up manually to working condition using "ip link" and "ip addr" ?
[03:49] <TJ-> rfleming: I want to be sure you've a working interface - could be something daft like missing firmware
[03:49] <rfleming> the wired comes up on its own
[03:50] <rfleming> both ipv4 and ipv6
[03:50] <TJ-> rfleming: I don't think it's firmware, but I'm sure I saw a similar issue recently with the e1000e
[03:50] <TJ-> rfleming: it comes up on it's own? you mean without NM managing it?
[03:50] <rfleming> TJ-: that's the damnedest thing... I have ethernet via wired... but can't manage it
[03:50] <TJ-> rfleming: hang on - maybe systemd-networkd is managing it?
[03:52] <TJ-> rfleming: is this Ubuntu 17.10 ?
[03:52] <rfleming> TJ-: this particular instance is 18.04 alpha... but I had the same problem on 17.10
[03:52] <TJ-> rfleming: ahah! "systemd-networkd[345]: enp0s25: DHCPv4 address 192.168.0.21/24 via 192.168.0.1"
[03:52] <rfleming> (again with th e mini iso
[03:53] <TJ-> rfleming: which is configured via netplan because 'mini.iso' is like the ubuntu-server install and expects systemd-networkd not NetworkManager to manage the network. See  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[03:53] <TJ-> rfleming: so now WE KNOW we can figure out how to tell netplan to generate for NetworkManager instead
[03:55] <comet23> i tried this guide to connect to my server but its not working
[03:55] <comet23> https://linode.com/docs/applications/remote-desktop/install-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[03:55] <comet23> i dont know what my vnc address is =(
[03:55] <rfleming> TJ-: yeah, remove enp0s25 and add renderer: NetworkManager
[03:55] <TJ-> rfleming: look in /ec/netoplan/ you'll find a config file for the interface. Open it in a text editor. For enp25s0 change the line "renderer: networkd" to "renderer: NetworkManager"
[03:55] <TJ-> grrr, my typing is awful!
[03:56] <rfleming> TJ-: sudo systemctl restart systemd-networkd.service?
[03:57] <TJ-> rfleming: I don't think that'll be sufficient since netplan has generated a config file. I think a reboot will be quicker than finding out how to restart the entire process!
[03:57] <TJ-> rfleming: I'd assume you'd have to rerun netplan and then restart networkd and NM
[03:57] <rfleming> TJ-: it didn't work, so I rebooted
[03:58] <rfleming> THAT worked, and now wired is managed
[03:58] <TJ-> rfleming: Yay :)
[03:58] <rfleming> I keep forgetting about netplan
[03:59] <rfleming> there are so many wrong sources out there... now I have to go and find them all and post the real truth
[04:03] <dorian> i'm a bit apprehensive about this luks container that is not properly reporting its size/free space to df
[04:04] <dorian> why would parted say it's the right size but df not?
[04:04] <TJ-> dorian: did you see my Question earlier about the the reported dmsetup/lsblk sizes ?
[04:04] <dorian> no i must have missed that
[04:05] <TJ-> dorian: let me see if I can fetch it out the buffer
[04:05] <dorian> i just did lsblk, it reports the right size
[04:05] <TJ-> dorian: do these agree? "DEV="LUKSDEVNAME"; sudo dmsetup status $DEV; sudo lsblk /dev/mapper/$DEV" (dmsetup is 512-byte blocks)
[04:05] <TJ-> dorian: this will help compare values: DEV="LUKSDEVNAME"; echo "$(echo $(sudo dmsetup status $DEV) | cut -d\   -f 2)*512/1024/1024" | bc
[04:05] <Neo4> hi
[04:05] <Neo4> how to learn postfix?
[04:06] <Neo4> doesn't work anything :(
[04:06] <TJ-> Neo4: read the manual and experiment A LOT in virtual machines before deploying it
[04:07] <Neo4> TJ-: what do you think about this book? Shall I read it or enough documentation on off site?
[04:07] <Neo4> http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=852C79F689FEB77C5FDE686B993808B1
[04:07] <dorian> TJ-: yes dmsetup and lsblk both report the right size
[04:08] <Neo4> at first read documentation on this site http://www.postfix.org/
[04:08] <Neo4> and then try to do something?
[04:08] <Neo4> I might need video lessons....
[04:09] <Neo4> seems it's impossible learn for one day as I want :(
[04:09] <TJ-> Neo4: I'd read the online docs and those that come with postfix-doc package - that book was published in 2005 and will be 13+ years out of date
[04:09] <Neo4> TJ-: ok, won't read it, enough off documentation
[04:10] <TJ-> Neo4: postfix is a VERY powerful Mail Transfer Agent, and has millions of permutations; it is not a learn-in-1-day service!
[04:10] <jeromelanteri> Neo4, you sould read a lot about email protocols and way to secure/reject/accept mails and ssl/tls, and... it is a long way learn curve. Postfix is a very good server, but because of that, it is not so easy to learn.
[04:10] <Neo4> I just look what there inside....
[04:10] <rfleming> how can I blacklist updates from a PPA, with the exception of one component?
[04:10] <rfleming> looking at ppa:system76/pop ... I want the Icon theme, but not the other GNOME updates it wants to perform
[04:11] <TJ-> rfleming: using (man) apt_preferences pinning
[04:11] <Neo4> jeromelanteri: ok, will be gathering information...
[04:11] <rfleming> TJ-: thanks... looking now
[04:12] <dorian> TJ-: also this was mounted via cryptsetup open --type luks /the/file
[04:12] <TJ-> rfleming: you may find this more helpful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[04:12] <dorian> er "opened" i guess, then mounted the normal way
[04:12] <jeromelanteri> Neo4, good luck and tacke time to learn all you have to know (maybe 6 month for 2 days by week is possible before start to use postfix)
[04:12] <TJ-> dorian: right, and what size does losetup show for the loop device?
[04:13] <Neo4> jeromelanteri: no, 6 months? 1 - 2 weeks and no more
[04:13] <Neo4> :)
[04:13] <Neo4> and any longer )
[04:14] <jeromelanteri> Neo4, so you have to learn every day, 14 hours by day and be very good... you will be the first one i see able to learn all of this knwledge requirment in 2 weeks. Why not... try.
[04:14] <dorian> TJ-: losetup doesn't show a size
[04:15] <TJ-> dorian: with "losetup -v .." ?
[04:16] <Neo4> jeromelanteri: :)
[04:16] <TJ-> dorian: did the file get enlarged after the crypt device was created?
[04:16] <Neo4> I will
[04:17] <TJ-> dorian: if it did, you need to do "cryptsetup resize <DEVNAME>" to enlarge it to same size as block device, and then "resize2fs /dev/mapper/DDEVNAME"
[04:18] <dorian> i can't remember if it did or not
[04:18] <rfleming> TJ-: so the higher the Pin Priority number the more important it is?
[04:18] <rfleming> or the lower?
[04:18] <dorian> when you say "enlarge to the same size as the block device" do you mean the pseudo-block device?
[04:19] <dorian> ie. the 140gb ordinary file
[04:19] <cfhowlett> what terminal command to list available editors
[04:20] <TJ-> rfleming: higher is more priority
[04:20] <TJ-> dorian: you've got file > loop > /dev/mapper/CRYPTDEV > ext3/4 ?
[04:21] <rfleming> TJ-: sweet!
[04:21] <TJ-> dorian: so you need to "cryptsetup resize /dev/mapper/CRYPTDEV" then "resize2fs /dev/mapper/CRYPTDEV"
[04:21] <dorian> TJ-: yes, though the loop looks like it gets taken care of subcutaneously by the newer cryptsetup open syntax
[04:22] <jeromelanteri> cfhowlett, aviable or default one ?
[04:22] <cfhowlett> jeromelanteri, available please
[04:23] <jeromelanteri> cfhowlett, you can try to query manager with "editor" criteria.
[04:23] <jeromelanteri> package manager i mean
[04:23] <cfhowlett> thank you jeromelanteri
[04:23] <jeromelanteri> query for editor and installed
[04:24] <dorian> TJ-: ah resize2fs is bugging me to fsck first; this will probably be a minute
[04:26] <TJ-> cfhowlett: if you mean installed shell editors, update-alternative should give a list
[04:27] <cfhowlett> got it TJ-  thanks
[04:32] <dorian> TJ-: ah it is now reporting the corect size. tahnks for your help
[04:33] <dorian> question: if i wanted to move this container file to e.g. an external disk, could i just dd it straight to the disk?
[04:33] <dorian> and then re-resize it
[04:37] <TJ-> dorian: yes
[04:38] <dorian> sweet
[04:38] <dorian> er i suppose i'd want to securely wipe the disk first
[04:38] <dorian> or will cryptsetup resize do that for me
[04:38] <TJ-> dorian: you mean randomise it's surface?
[04:38] <TJ-> dorian: presumably your container file was already randomised
[04:40] <dorian> well i'm just thinking if the file is X bytes big, and the disk is X+whatever, and cryptsetup resize with no argument fills out to the extent of the disk
[04:41] <dorian> but is it just declaring the size or is it dumping random data into there
[04:41] <TJ-> dorian: no, crypsetup resize just changes the meta-data values
[04:41] <dorian> right, so zap the disk first and then dd the file and then resize
[04:43] <new2linux> TJ: You still there?
[04:44] <new2linux> TJ: I installed the software using software update center and now when I run nvidia-settings I see the selection choice you were talking about!!!
[04:44] <new2linux> TJ-: I installed the software using software update center and now when I run nvidia-settings I see the selection choice you were talking about!!!
[04:45] <new2linux> I have stuff running on my workstation for work now, so I can
[04:45] <TJ-> dorian: I'd randomise the entire device first, the fast way: "cryptsetup create tempdev /dev/sdX --type luks -d /dev/random; dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/tempdev bs=200M status=progress; cryptsetup close tempdev" - then you partition it and copy your file into a partition
[04:45] <new2linux> TJ-: I have stuff running on my workstation for work now, so I can't take a reboot break, but tomorrow morning I will reboot and see what happens!
[04:46] <new2linux> TJ-: I see the PRIME Profiles, which was NOT there before! Something about installing via software center seemed to get the install correct this time
[04:47] <TJ-> dorian: that cryptsetup 'hack' or writing zero's to the device means the underlying bytes will be random without using /dev/random or /dev/urandom or any openssl tricks
[04:47] <TJ-> s/or/of/
[04:47] <dorian> which takes forever
[04:47] <dorian> got it
[04:47] <dorian> thanks
[04:49] <dorian> (i mean reading urandom straight or openssl takes forever)
[04:53] <TJ-> dorian: indeed :)
[04:53] <cfhowlett> !nick
[04:53] <arktvrvs> dorian tyrell was the mask
[04:56] <ajaxjones> good evening
[04:59] <ajaxjones> does anyone have any experience with the google authentication 2 factor auth on 16.04?
[05:00] <ajaxjones> I followed the directions from the ubuntu site, and when I look in the logs, I am getting 'Invalid verification code'
[05:00] <ajaxjones> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/configure-ssh-2fa#1
[05:02] <rfleming> TJ-: thanks so much.  I've documented what it takes now to use mini.iso to set up vanilla GNOME that functions as it should out-of-box with my own personal tweaks.
[05:08] <banisterfiend> hi, i'm super confused, what's the difference between a window manager, a desktop environment and a graphical shell? i'm trying to understand how gnome, kde, enlightenment, pantheon, and Unity all fit together...
[05:10] <arktvrvs> gnome and kde dont really fit together
[05:14] <banisterfiend> arktvrvs make things clear :D
[05:19] <Apteryx> where is lightdm documented?
[05:19] <Apteryx> I've wasted hours trying to just get it recognize a custom xsession
[06:00] <jeromelanteri> Apteryx, ligthdm is well documented, but some customized feature from... ubuntu packagers maybe ?... seems to make things very complicate to find where need to be configured. Try to use command "find" for find all points where this display manager should be configured...
[06:15] <xs2> my laptop doesn't seem to respect HandleLidSwitch option
[06:15] <xs2> http://termbin.com/ytg5
[06:15] <xs2> ^ /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[06:17] <xs2> imagine the computer is turned off and the lid is closed, I open the lid, start the computer and if I were to close the lid it goes to sleep or whatevs
[06:17] <jeromelanteri> Apteryx, https://www.linuxsecrets.com/archlinux-wiki/wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM.html
[06:17] <jeromelanteri> Apteryx, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM
[06:17] <jeromelanteri> Apteryx, it is not ubuntu specific, but explications and lightdm configurations are same.
[06:55] <misty5> how is entering "$(echo ps)" different from just "ps" on the commandline? the former lack the cool colors my ps got, it's just black and white.
[06:56] <EriC^^> misty5: it's just in a sub shell with a different environment maybe
[06:58] <misty5> EriC^^: exactly right
[07:06] <plopplop> Every time I try to get away from 16.04 in way of moving systems, LVM manages to corrupt my data
[07:07] <user1> HI.  I updated my Server Kernel due to Meltdown. After rebooting I get the following error: end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[07:07] <user1> Any ideas what I can do?
[07:07] <plopplop> This time it was only minimal but I don't know what it had done
[07:07] <user1> Unfortunately I do not have console access to it. Only VNC at the moment to the host.
[07:08] <plopplop> The whole problem with the LVM of Xenial is that it corrupts data so easily
[07:08] <plopplop> But it probably also corrupted my backup
[07:12] <plopplop> So I can basically just start over with installing Xenial fresh again etc.... :(
[07:12] <plopplop> And then run into the fact again that LVM is so old that it will corrupt anything it touches if you don't watch for 2 seconds while moving data
[07:14] <oerheks> plopplop, sounds more like a bad disk to me. is there any support question in this?
[07:18] <interserve> hello
[07:18] <interserve> i have a problem when doing apt-get update on trusty 14.04.5
[07:18] <interserve> all lines Failed to fetch
[07:19] <oerheks> interserve, sounds like your mirror is down? type sources in dash, and change it to main?
[07:20] <interserve> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release.gpg
[07:20] <interserve>   Unable to connect to archive.ubuntu.com:http: [IP: 91.189.88.162 80]
[07:20] <interserve> but i can browse them and dwonload from the site through browser
[07:24] <QuestionAboutNex> Hey y'all I'm trying to install Nexus Mod Manager but the site seems down anyone know where I could find a legit mirror by chance? If not, what channel best to ask? THX
[07:25] <oerheks> QuestionAboutNex, 'site' does not look down from here, https://github.com/Nexus-Mods/Nexus-Mod-Manager/releases
[07:30] <baba_> is anyone alive
[07:31] <interserve> yes
[07:32] <interserve> any help guys
[07:33] <oerheks> interserve, again, change mirror ?
[07:33] <interserve> tried the original and us mirror , any suggestion
[07:35] <rajesh_> hi
[07:35] <baba_> hi
[07:35] <interserve> hi
[07:35] <baba_> my question is:
[07:36] <baba_> my screensaver won't unlock
[07:38] <demahum> Say I want to find out default content of home directory for Ubuntu server 16.04, how would you do it?
[07:39] <EriC^^> demahum: /etc/skel has the contents
[07:40] <EriC^^> demahum: or you could create a user and see what files are created then delete it
[07:41] <demahum> EriC^^: didn't know about /etc/skel -> thanks! That's nice to know and works for me for now (other way you suggested is fine as well).
[07:44] <baba_> my screensaver fades to black, then turns off the backlight...when I press a key, the backlight comes on with the screen black
[08:00] <baba_> nothing?
[08:05] <DocMors> hi all, can one of you point me to a tutorial to add an applicaition to a live image?
[08:10] <EriC^^> !customlivecd | DocMors
[08:17] <DocMors> EriC^^: thanks a mil
[08:23] <oerheks> uck is dead, use cubic https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image
[08:24] <yogg> Hi
[08:26] <EriC^^> DocMors: no problem
[08:26] <EriC^^> DocMors: see oerheks 's message
[08:28] <yogg> I use the "letsencrypt" package on ubuntu 16.04 with the apache module witch worked fine until the tls-sni-01 problem showed up. LE has now relesed the new version. My question is now if the new fixed apache module will come to ubuntu 16.04 or if I should install the new version over the certbot website
[08:32] <DocMors> oerheks: thanks
[08:50] <baba_> my screensaver fades to black, then turns off the backlight...when I press a key, the backlight comes on with the screen black
[09:03] <misty5> yogg: I'm a real fucking turd, a piece of pathetic shithole
[09:04] <oerheks> misty5, watch your language, that is not welcome here
[09:05] <oerheks> baba_, try to login with ctrl alt F2; sudo service lightdm restart # and go back with ctrl alt F7
[09:06] <baba_> hmm...
[09:08] <oerheks> or maybe just switch ctrl alt F2 and back ctrl alt F7 is enough ?
[09:08] <baba_> will this kill the current X session?
[09:08] <oerheks> no
[09:09] <misty5> oerheks: you're not welcome here, poopbutt.
[09:09] <oerheks> !ops | misty5
[09:09] <oerheks> i see you are banned in multiple channels
[09:09] <misty5> oerheks: do you call that an emergency? Troll for a reaction and then call the ops. Well done.
[09:09] <misty5> oerheks: I'm banned in none, lol. Bullshit.
[09:09] <baba_> let me see, then...
[09:10] <misty5> baba_: bra, u aint seeing shit.
[09:10] <baba_> bra?
[09:12] <baba_> let me try here..........thanks for the response at any rate
[09:17] <raph_ael> hi, I've just seen there is a runit-init package, but installing it breaks the init system and will break the system, is there a way to use runit as main init ?
[09:18] <baba_> ahem, restarting lightdm does kill the X session.......
[09:20] <hateball> well, oerheks replied if switching to a tty kills X, which it does not
[09:20] <hateball> if one were to be like that
[09:20] <hateball> I guess in context one should have assumed the question was about the restart of lightdm, oh well
[09:20] <baba_> hmmmmm......
[09:21] <oerheks> yes, i wonder what is going then, restartng should not kill any apps open?
[09:21] <baba_> yes, well, restarting lightdm would not fix the blanking problem anyway
[09:22] <baba_> well, the desktop screen came up with all my windows closed
[09:25] <baba_> what does ubuntu 16.10 use for things like screensavers, suspend, power management, and so on?
[09:25] <baba_> the graphical settings program is a frontend for something, I assume
[09:25] <oerheks> oh, 16.10 is dead, EOL
[09:26] <oerheks> you should upgrade to 17.10
[09:26] <baba_> i undrstand, but all my programs are on here
[09:27] <oerheks> Yes, but without security and other fixes, useless to find out what went wrong
[09:28] <baba_> i think 17.10 has trhe same problem
[09:29] <Ben64> 16.10 is dangerous to use
[09:30] <tomreyn> if it had the same issue, it would at least be supported here. 16.10 is not.
[09:30] <baba_> why is that
[09:30] <Ben64> because it hasn't gotten a security update since 6 months ago
[09:30] <Ben64> vulnerable to meltdown, spectre, and everything else that has been discovered in the past 6 months
[09:30] <ss942> stupid question I used "dpkg -i *.deb" and it displayed line about unziping then line about configurating, and nothing more then just gave me shell back. Shouldn't that install package? I have no idea why, but this is 100% not installed
[09:31] <baba_> things are going fine here.....
[09:31] <oerheks> ss942, depends on the ubuntu version, and what package?
[09:31] <oerheks> ss942, some stuff does not work on 17.10/wayland
[09:32] <max123> had a weird bug there where mouse pad stop functioning, still could move but irratic. now it works ok.
[09:32] <Ben64> baba_: false
[09:32] <baba_> that is pretty vague...
[09:32] <ss942> oerheks: 16.04, and ejabberd.18.01
[09:34] <max123> anyone know what this debian-+ user is when i do top
[09:34] <oerheks> ss942, maybe you need to do some more steps, i read https://lamteiwahlang.wordpress.com/2017/02/27/install-ejabberd-xmpp-server-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[09:35] <oerheks> or https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-ejabberd-xmpp-server-on-ubuntu
[09:36] <ss942> oerheks: oh, it just installed it in other location than in my fedora server thanks.
[09:37] <oerheks> !info megaglest
[09:38] <tomreyn> oerheks: got any questions? :)
[09:38] <oerheks> not yet, tomreyn, installing now
[09:39] <tomreyn> it's ooold, and slow. but fun with a couple human players.
[09:41] <tomreyn> baba_: were you asking people on this channel to convince you to not put all the data you store at risk of being leaked, and to not have your OS turned against you (spying on your and attacking others in your name)? "things are going fine here..." -> https://media.giphy.com/media/z9AUvhAEiXOqA/giphy.gif
[09:42] <sveinse> I'm stuck with aptitude wanting to remove everything. How can I reset the selection?
[09:43] <tomreyn> i haven't used aptitude for some years, but on the interactive interface i think you press equals (=)
[09:46] <flaburgan> hi everyone! I've got some troubles with my Ubuntu, I never hard this thing before. I'm totally lost and need some help.
[09:46] <flaburgan> I'm running ubuntu 16.04 64bits with HWE so my kernel is 4.13.0-26-generic
[09:47] <flaburgan> for the first time since the KPI patches and all the update with meltdown and spectre, I launched virtual box
[09:47] <flaburgan> as soon as I launched a VM, my Ubuntu completely froze
[09:47] <flaburgan> even ctrl alt f1 didn't bring a terminal back
[09:48] <flaburgan> so I had to switch of the computer cutting the power
[09:48] <tomreyn> sveinse: actually it seems to be ctrl-u.
[09:48] <flaburgan> now Firefox and thunderbird doesn't launch
[09:48] <flaburgan> firefox
[09:48] <flaburgan> bash: /usr/bin/firefox : impossible d’exécuter le fichier binaire : Erreur de format pour exec()
[09:48] <tomreyn> sveinse: https://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s01s02.html
[09:48] <flaburgan> (unable to execute the binary file, format error for exec()
[09:48] <sveinse> tomreyn: when you haven't exited aptitude
[09:48] <flaburgan> and my apt cache is dead
[09:50] <baba_> well, I really haven't noticed any problems......honest!   but I will figure out my screen blanking problem eventually....but I will keep the upgrading thing in mind
[09:50] <flaburgan> Unable to process /var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages
[09:50] <tomreyn> sveinse: see "The Package menu", Command "Package → Keep (:)"
[09:50] <tomeaton17> Is it possible to change window focus by just moving the mouse over the window on 17.10?
[09:52] <tomreyn> flaburgan: take a look at dmesg -T, try to find the root of the issues. firefox and thunderbird not launching should not be related to just installing an updated kernel image
[09:54] <tomreyn> flaburgan: actualyl the easiest approach (if you think it's related to the kernel image update), reboot and hold down shift, and choose the kernel image you were running previously.
[09:56] <tomreyn> !sysrq | flaburgan: also this may be of interest next time the system does not seem to respond
[10:07] <flaburgan> hi tomreyn
[10:09] <tomreyn> hi flaburgan
[10:09] <sveinse> Hoi. oom killer kicked in because of aptitude (on 32G mem). Gnome doesn't like being in low mem condition that is for sure. Had to hard-restart my computer
[10:10] <flaburgan> thanks for your help
[10:10] <tomreyn> welcome
[10:10] <flaburgan> I think the crash of virtual box is related to the new kernel
[10:11] <flaburgan> but my other problems were just a consequence of the freeze
[10:12] <flaburgan> apt-get update wasn't able to clear the cache but synaptic succeed, so I was able to perfom a dist-upgrade
[10:12] <flaburgan> firefox and thunderbird were manually installed
[10:12] <flaburgan> so I redownloaded them and now it works
[10:14] <sveinse> tomreyn: what do you use for apt management if not using aptitude?
[10:14] <tomreyn> sveinse: apt-get or apt
[10:15] <sveinse> apt does the job, but I'm lacking auto-dependencies. Perhaps this is a config thing?
[10:17] <tomreyn> sveinse: how do you mean "auto-dependencies"? apt and apt-get both resolve dependencies by default and i don't think they can be configured not to.
[10:19] <sveinse> tomreyn: the reason I'm using aptitude is its ability to mark dependencies as auto, meaning that when I install package x it will install dep y and z. If I later uninstall x, it also removed y, z. Which apt does not out of box
[10:19] <sveinse> Or at least fresh ubuntu installation does not have this settings
[10:19] <MonoMonkey> yeah but it marks them as not needed anymore so you can automatically uninstall them with apt autoremove
[10:21] <sveinse> MonoMonkey: No. Yesterday I accidentally installed showfoto. It installed a bunch of dependencies and reccomendations. OK. apt remove showfoto removes 1 package. apt autoremove sais nothing to remove
[10:21] <tomreyn> sveinse: that's right, apt does not purge them immediately. there is, i think, an apt option to automatically purge any packages which are no longer required. keep in mind that purging also removes configurations and, in several cases, data.
[10:22] <sveinse> tomreyn: I'm not talking about purging vs remove
[10:24] <sveinse> I'd like a scheme where I have a rather short list of the top-level packages I want installed on my system. Everything else is dependencies. When those deps arent used any more, they should be removed.
[10:24] <sveinse> But afaics apt isn't configured this way. Out of box at least.
[10:25] <sveinse> So I was curious to how others manage this
[10:25] <sveinse> How do you uninstall something? Do you care about uninstalling every sub-dependency for that package?
[10:29] <tomreyn> for me, on 16.04,  when i uninstall a package using apt, packages it depended upon which are no longer used otherwise, are marked as such, and running "apt autoremove" (which can be run with or without --purge) offers a convenient way to remove them.
[10:29] <tomreyn> sveinse: ^ does this answer your question?
[10:31] <alleyrat> I am having trouble installing Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS within VirtualBox on Windows 10. When I get to the Keyboard layout screen, the GUI is cutoff on the right side and I cannot proceed. Any tips?
[10:32] <tomreyn> alleyrat: are there no scroll bars then?
[10:32] <tomreyn> on the virtualbox window
[10:35] <MonoMonkey> sveinse: I rely on it just as tomreyn describes. And usually that also works.
[10:37] <tomreyn> sveinse: see also this for generating a (not exactly correct, but it gets close) lost of manually installed packages: https://askubuntu.com/questions/2389/generating-list-of-manually-installed-packages-and-querying-individual-packages
[10:37] <tomreyn> *list
[10:39] <tomreyn> also "apt-mark showmanual"
[10:42] <alleyrat> tomreyn: Yeah, no scroll bars!
[10:42] <alleyrat> tomreyn: Got it. Dragged it :\
[10:45] <MonoMonkey> tomreyn sveinse I was a bit curious however, and just installed postgresql on a testing machine. It installed dependencies: libpq5 and libsensors4 for example. Then I apt removed postgresql but both libpq5 and libsensors4 are still installed and will not get autoremoved when doing apt autoremove
[10:47] <zhaoest> hi
[10:48] <gracious1> Hello.  I am sort of confused as to what to do about the Spectre/Meltdown threat. It sounds as though the recent kernel updates are giving people trouble.
[10:49] <zhaoest> 6/5000
[10:49] <zhaoest> Wǒ bùshì hěn qīngchǔ
[10:49] <zhaoest> I am not very clear
[10:49] <Ben64> gracious1: should be fine now
[10:49] <gracious1> Meaning that this latest update is okay?
[10:49] <MonoMonkey> gracious1 4.4.0-108 had a few problems, but they patched that with 4.4.0-109. Should be alright
[10:50] <Ben64> you could always choose an older kernel to boot if there's an issue
[10:50] <tomreyn> MonoMonkey: ok, so i guess the dependency resolver is not perfect then. personally i don't mind, since it is not really a concern for me whether the OS and all software consume 5 or 20 GB.
[10:50] <gracious1> Is there a performance hit?
[10:51] <Ben64> gracious1: yes
[10:51] <gracious1> Oh, that is too bad. I am using a sort of older laptop, so I am a little concerned about that, too.
[10:51] <Ben64> depends on workload and cpu
[10:52] <gracious1> Processor is AMD A6-1450 APU with Radeon(TM) HD Graphics × 4
[10:53] <Ben64> well amd is not affected by meltdown at all
[10:53] <MonoMonkey> tomreyn: yeah, it's weird, though - i know it works usually. But to me it'd be less of a consideration in regards of diskspace than maybe installed dependencies that open a port or run a daemon.
[10:53] <gracious1> oh, it's not???
[10:53] <Ben64> it is affected by spectre though
[10:53] <gracious1> ah
[10:53] <Ben64> i think almost everything is
[10:53] <MonoMonkey> well raspberry pi's are not, i believe :D
[10:53] <Ben64> i heard it affects ARM too
[10:53] <gracious1> Yes, I had heard about Raspberry Pi being "immune"
[10:55] <MonoMonkey> anyways spectre isn't yet patched except for testing in kernel 4.13 for bionic i believe, so still waiting for that to come.
[10:55] <gracious1> ok, so I will hold off on kernel update, I guess
[10:55] <Ben64> don't hold off
[10:55] <gracious1> ?
[10:55] <Ben64> there's no reason to not update your kernel
[10:57] <V7> Hey all
[10:57] <V7> How to not add \' symbol when: echo foo | sed "s/\'/\\\'/g"
[10:57] <V7> It just adds it even if it doesn't exist
[10:58] <tomreyn> MonoMonkey: i don't think i ever had it (dependencies not removed) happen with packages which open a port or run a daemon - not during the past 10 years at least. there used to be some issue with rpcbind not getting removed but that's looong ago.
[10:59] <Laice> V7: Are you not looking to escape the "/" characters?
[10:59] <V7> Laice: I'm trying to escape ' char
[10:59] <Ben64> V7: echo foo | sed "s#'#\\\'#g"
[11:00] <V7> What's this Ben64 ?
[11:00] <Ben64> the answer to your question
[11:00] <V7> Will it add \ before ' symbol ?
[11:01] <Ben64> try it
[11:01] <ran_>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER ran-sama npdsdedyzenz
[11:02] <V7> oh dear
[11:02] <V7> So btw Ben64 what's #
[11:02] <V7> Is it a delimiter ?
[11:03] <Ben64> you can use almost anything with sed, doesn't have to be /, i find it easier to use something that doesn't look like what you're using sed for
[11:04] <V7> Roger that Ben64, so why then it was adding \' even it doesn't existed in string ?
[11:05] <ran-sama>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER ran-sama npdsdedyzenz
[11:05] <Laice> V7: /window hide 2
[11:05] <Ben64> V7: you escaped it improperly
[11:05] <ran-sama> why does my verify register not work?
[11:05] <tomreyn> ran-sama: remove the leading space
[11:06] <Ben64> ran-sama: you keep typing it here in the channel
[11:06] <silenc3r> Hi, how can I see source files of packages on Launchpad?
[11:06] <ran-sama> @tomreyn but I copy pasted it from the confirmation mail
[11:06] <V7> echo "foo'" | sed "s#'#\\\\\'#g"
[11:06] <V7> adds only two \\
[11:06] <Ben64> ran-sama: commands need to start with a slash, you started with a space
[11:06] <V7> echo "foo'" | sed "s#'#\\\'#g"
[11:07] <tomreyn> ran-sama: what Ben says
[11:07] <V7> too two
[11:07] <ran-sama> Oh I really should get glasses, you are absolutely right
[11:07] <Ben64> V7: what are you trying to do
[11:07] <V7> Ben64: I'm trying to understand how sed works, but it just keeping to do whatever he wants
[11:08] <Ben64> seems like you're just doing random things
[11:08] <V7> So
[11:08] <V7> echo "foo'" | sed "s#'#\\\\\'#g" and echo "foo'" | sed "s#'#\\\'#g" gives foo\\'
[11:08] <V7> So why >
[11:09] <V7> As you could see there're difference in regex exp. \\\\\' and \\\'
[11:10] <V7> The first one is okay, but why \\\' shows it like \\'
[11:10] <Ben64> it doesn't
[11:11] <V7> Ben64: https://i.imgur.com/7NSj478.png
[11:12] <Ben64> looks like you need to re-check what you said, because neither of those return foo\\'
[11:12] <V7> oh sorry, foo\'
[11:13] <zomaar> Where do the live installers keep their kernel?
[11:13] <zomaar> It's not in the squashfs for obvious reasons but I can't find it
[11:16] <cloudbud> what is /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf  and /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head filees do
[11:16] <zomaar> Or is casper/vmlinuz.efi a dual image?
[11:16] <zomaar> cloudbud the head is the head and the tail is the tail
[11:17] <zomaar> cloudbud so You can see what's in there right
[11:17] <cloudbud> zomaar : what is /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf  this file doing
[11:18] <zomaar> You can also find out by doing man resolvconf
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:18] <gebbione> hi folks, my keyboard suddendly changed mood and is using a strange layout
[11:18] <gebbione> i see so many English ones
[11:19] <zomaar> cloudbud It says so in the help and it is symlinked to /etc/resolv.conf
[11:19] <gebbione> i cannot find the right one... any idea what you guys are using for English  UK (I know there is english uk but it does not match a standard uk keyboard!)
[11:19] <oerheks> cloudbud, resolve.conf.d overrrides dns, wupdate with resolvconf -u https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128220/how-do-i-set-my-dns-when-resolv-conf-is-being-overwritten
[11:20] <zomaar> cloudbud And it is automatically generated from sources like DHCP, which it also says so in the help ;-)
[11:21] <zomaar> That's why there's a head and a tail, because they are put together
[11:30] <renl> hi i have an issue where when i have 2 serial port devices ttyACM0 and ttyACM1, if i am reading from both ports, i noticed the CPU gets overwhelmed by software interrupts literally consumes 100% cpu cycle of a core
[11:30] <renl> anyone encountered this before?
[11:44] <aiena2> I am oin ubuntu 17. On ubuntu 14 if i provided my network ip other pc's could access the webserver hosted on it. I think my firewall is blocking access how do I open access?
[11:46] <aiena2> so if I use my lan ip from the host itself it works but if I use my lan ip from a computer other than the host it does not
[11:47] <zomaar> I have no clue myself but you can run sudo iptables -S to see if there is any firewall configured
[11:48] <zomaar> Does it give output for the INPUT chain?
[11:48] <sveinse> What is the application named, which is controlled by Super+P, changing from internal to external screen in gnome-shell?
[11:49] <Tin_man> try sudo ufw status, it will tell you if your firewall is active or inactive
[11:49] <sveinse> I'm running 17.10 and I'm having problems with this app cycling through all screen modes when I log in! Extremely annoying
[11:50] <aiena2> zomaar: first I thought it was an apache thing but if I launch a python temporary server on port 8000 too it is blocked. Ping to the host works from the other computer
[11:51] <aiena2> zomaar: this is iptable o/p http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/35b82f0a
[11:51] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, what is an internal screen or an external screen ? Super+P is a keyboard combinaison i think... not an application. So it should be linked by desktop config things maybe...
[11:52] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: It takes over and cycles through them upon login. This is a laptop with two external screens through the dock
[11:52] <jeromelanteri> aiena, you maybe want to try to use nmap application for look at ports from your this other computer to check if port is open first ?
[11:52] <neildugan> I am using "artful" ... several websites say to install skype I need to install the package skypeforlinux but this package isn't being found.
[11:53] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, do you mean that you have the laptop main monitor screen and two other one who is positionned under the main one ?
[11:54] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: the two external is left of the main built in screen
[11:54] <zomaar> aiena2: You have that UWF firewall that Tin_man says
[11:54] <jeromelanteri> neildugan, not sure but you sould maybe have the address of repo who provide it...
[11:54] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, ok. For the key bonding, wich desktop do u use ?
[11:54] <jeromelanteri> binding
[11:54] <aiena2> Tin_man: its active
[11:55] <sveinse> jamisnemo: I do also have problems applying changed settings in the display settings. The Apply buttons goes away. E.g. if I set scaling 200% on the main display (being HiDPI) the button goes away
[11:55] <aiena2> my old screen failed so I am using a backup larger screen and finding it a bit hard to adjust sorry I didnt see the message Tin_man
[11:55] <neildugan> jeromelanteri, it appears to be in a standard repository
[11:55] <sveinse> jamisnemo: Its bound to the default, Win+P. But I don't press it. It goes crazy before I even is close to the keyboard
[11:57] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, difficult to know without information about server X used (X11 or wayland), error debug message, desktop environment, driver used, etc...  there is many way to f... things.
[11:58] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: how can I get that info (easily)?
[11:58] <aiena2> Tin_man: thanks it was ufw
[11:58] <jeromelanteri> easily ? that is very subjective, i don't know.
[11:58] <jeromelanteri> it should be more easy if you know what"s happen in your own config... but if you don't, it will npot be easy i think.
[11:59] <zomaar> aiena2: There is probably info online but you can do it the raw iptables way if you like ;-).
[11:59] <sveinse> gdm3 is starting up all correctly, btw. All three screen configured, in the correct relationship. It when I log in things go bad. I've tried to set .config/monitors.xml, but something else is taking over control over it and overwrites it
[11:59] <aiena2> zomaar: yeah I have experimented with iptables and the only success I have had is completely disconnecting myself from the internet till reboot
[12:00] <jeromelanteri> gdm3 is the display manager, so maybe u use gnome desktop ? you can use other one from gdm3 also...
[12:00] <aiena2> anyway using the ufw commands added the correct rules '-A ufw-user-input -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT'
[12:00] <jeromelanteri> which server for X ? wayland or X11 ?
[12:00] <aiena2> x11
[12:00] <jeromelanteri> GPU is used or only intel proc GPU part ?
[12:00] <aiena2> old and good
[12:00] <aiena2> jerichowasahoax: that would not depend on X11 itself
[12:01] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: the default ubuntu 17.10 + gnome-shell. So xorg I think. With nvida. Its a Lenovo P51, with combo Intel + Nvidia gfx system
[12:01] <jeromelanteri> if you use X11, do you check the xorg.conf (or maybe some xorg.conf.d/files.conf) file(s) ?
[12:01] <gebbione> anyone has the right keyboard layout but still gets the wrong keys printed when typing?
[12:01] <aiena2> if you have a discreet gpu it will use the discreet GPU and not the internal intel GPU
[12:01] <sveinse> xorg.0.log seems fine. No apparent errors or warnings there. So this is gnome-related I believe
[12:01] <jeromelanteri> sveinse,  and actually, your nvidia card is running ?
[12:02] <jeromelanteri> running for make only GPU works or connected on monitors ?
[12:02] <aiena2> jerichowasahoax: its easy to check if you do not get output from the GPU ports if your GPU is plugged in then you have a problem
[12:02] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: nvidia is running. I think in the Lenovo optimus setup, you cannot use the external screens without nvidia
[12:02] <aiena2> jerichowasahoax: yes you can only use one at a time. If you are using a GPU card only GPU cards will work
[12:02] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, you maybe have no error log with x11 (that is fine) but sometimes gdm3 look at config files for specific things for working with GPU athrough driver...
[12:02] <zomaar> aiena2: Well wasn't that easy then ;-).
[12:03] <aiena2> the motherboard ports will not work
[12:03] <jeromelanteri> aiena2, no, you can use together.
[12:03] <aiena2> zomaar: it was once I knew ufw was active
[12:03] <aiena2> jerichowasahoax: maybe you can but I could not use them together
[12:03] <jeromelanteri> bbswitch or passthrough
[12:04] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: perhaps. I just want gnome to stop messing with my monitor setup
[12:04] <aiena2> so both my screens are plugged into the nvidia GPU
[12:04] <sveinse> If I manually set the monitor config, everything is fine
[12:04] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, try first to start by look at your connected material by lspci command
[12:05] <aiena2> jerichowasahoax: bbswoitch works for desktops too
[12:05] <jeromelanteri> then look at the fact your GPU is working fine (wich driver you choose ? proprietary ones or free ?)
[12:05] <jeromelanteri> from there look at the driver is well installed and not other one in the middle of the bubbles...
[12:05] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: I use nvidia driver
[12:05] <jeromelanteri> and check modules are present
[12:05] <aiena2> anyway bbswitch is not something there by default
[12:06] <jeromelanteri> so look at nvidia things driver with ubuntu world for look at modules
[12:06] <jeromelanteri> (lsmod)
[12:06] <jeromelanteri> with grep
[12:06] <jeromelanteri> lsmod | grep nvidia should show you something interesant...
[12:07] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: nvidia is working fine. the nvidia control app works
[12:07] <jeromelanteri> from there, look what good people said via google about xorg.conf (or better... /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10_nvidia.conf file)
[12:07] <jeromelanteri> for config good things around multi monitors.
[12:07] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, fine
[12:07] <jeromelanteri> only one driver at a time is running then ?
[12:08] <jeromelanteri> could you past your xorg.conf file (or the one concerned by monitors) ?
[12:09] <jeromelanteri> i remember that sometimes there was things options to add in xorg config files for strange things disapear
[12:09] <jeromelanteri> i suspect for you to be the case of.
[12:09] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: jeromelanteri, does gnome display settings store in xorg.conf? I thought it doesnt
[12:09] <jeromelanteri> aiena2, ha. bbswitch is fine for laptop world.
[12:10] <aiena2> talking about desktop GPUs laptop is another story
[12:10] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, long time i not use gnome, so maybe i'm wrong, but normally yu should edit from editor and from sudoers or root access ability
[12:10] <aiena2> think gtx10xx and core iX builds
[12:11] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: well, I edit ~/.config/monitors.xml for setting the display setting
[12:11] <jeromelanteri> aiena2, i use it also for only hang GPU for blender at start time... monitor use intel
[12:11] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, i think no...
[12:12] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, open a terminal emulator and look at /etc/X11
[12:13] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, or directly try sudo find /etc/X11 -type f -name "*.conf"
[12:13] <jeromelanteri> if there is a xorg.conf, it will go ahead... if there is not but some xorg.conf.d/some_other.conf... then these one are used
[12:14] <jeromelanteri> from there, the best should be to have a kind of xorg.conf.d/20_nvidia.conf file
[12:14] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: https://bpaste.net/show/9ac82067940f, https://bpaste.net/show/ab1c483e1f59
[12:14] <edmoore> I wanted to upgrade from 16.04 lts to 17.10 so i did do-release-upgrade -d. This has actually tried to install 18.04 dev, which has hosed lots of things. However i can get a terminal up without any X. How can i drop it back to 17.10 from here?
[12:14] <jeromelanteri> ok, one GPU is on monitors and intel on others...
[12:15] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: no xorg.conf.d/ in /etc/X11 btw
[12:15] <jeromelanteri> let me try to understand all fine...
[12:15] <sveinse> again, this config is changed by gnome *after* gdm3 login has occurred. The xorg is loaded before this for gdm
[12:16] <sveinse> So I suspect this is not a xorg config issue, but a gnome one
[12:16] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, no problem to no have splitted config files... all can be in one time inside xorg.conf file, but it is ettere to split files for maintain things easy
[12:17] <sveinse> because gdm3 login has correct displays and output
[12:17] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, i can not be sure because you miss some options who can be good for you with nvidia and monitoring things...
[12:18] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, you have to investigate with: 1/ know your model GPU, 2/ google what options should be fine for xorg.conf 3/ go for split files for keyboard/screen/GPUs/whatever
[12:19] <jeromelanteri> also, i not use proprietary driver to... so i have no experience to provide on this side.
[12:19] <gebbione> anyone has the right keyboard layout but still gets the wrong keys printed when typing?
[12:19] <jeromelanteri> does ubuntu use xrandr ?
[12:20] <jeromelanteri> and for best configs, you can also at the end know your monitors frequencies and dpi resolution (but that is not the problem i think actually)
[12:21] <sveinse> To summarize: I have a Lenovo P51 laptop with two external display-port monitors to the left. gdm/xorg works perfectly on login. When I'm logging in, gnome takes over and mess up the display configuration.
[12:21] <jeromelanteri> also, you have a synaptic touchpad... it is a laptop. then you should be happy later to give in a splitted file for xorg a nice config for a apple-like touchpad experience... really.
[12:22] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, the easy way should be to use only one GPU instead of two
[12:22] <jeromelanteri> an other one way is to really investigate for own GPU options to provide inside this xorg.conf fie (or better, to construct any config files for each material/device)
[12:22] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: yeah, throwing battery capacity down the drain
[12:22] <jeromelanteri> really, do it.
[12:23] <jeromelanteri> so use bbswitch, it is really fine.
[12:23] <jeromelanteri> (or what evere ubuntu world use stable for do that)
[12:24] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, you can also try other open-source driver instead of the propietary one... with propietary one, you have to get a kind of splitted kernel with modules dkms, so header kernel, etc... not with free driver one (who works perfectly) think about it, it is time.
[12:25] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, i'm 85% sure your problem come for a low configuration of your xorg config file.
[12:25] <jeromelanteri> come from
[12:26] <jeromelanteri> and your laptop is a very good laptop, you should not have device lake with this material.
[12:28] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA
[12:28] <jeromelanteri> sveinse, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bumblebee
[12:28] <jeromelanteri> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nouveau
[12:29] <jeromelanteri> it is not ubuntu, but anyway, it is linux and xorg is same, driver are same...
[12:29] <jeromelanteri> and archwiki are quiet nice and concise
[12:29] <jeromelanteri> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg
[12:35] <gebbione> anyone has the right keyboard layout but still gets the wrong keys printed when typing?
[12:35] <Ben64> sounds like one of your assertions is incorrect
[12:36] <gebbione> sounds ... but the keyboard is correct
[12:37] <gebbione> still the wrongs keys come out despite the right layout being selected
[12:37] <Ben64> well, if it isn't printing the right characters, it isn't
[12:38] <zomaar> I really need an initramfs troubleshooting guide ;-).
[12:39] <gebbione> Ben64 assertions are simple to establish ... given i have the keyboard layout as English US, when i press shift + the second key to the right from key L, then a @ is printed
[12:39] <gebbione> at the moment it prints "
[12:39] <gebbione> and that was English UK btw not US
[12:39] <Ben64> so you're in english us
[12:39] <gebbione> UK
[12:40] <Ben64> if you're getting " then you're in US
[12:40] <gebbione> Text entry has UK selected
[12:40] <gebbione> i m going to remove the US one
[12:40] <Ben64> have you tried turning it off and then on again
[12:40] <gebbione> yes i had tried the IT Crowd approach
[12:41] <gebbione> mhh ok i had to remove the US keyboard
[12:41] <gebbione> it looks like it messes things up with many keyboard layout in the list
[12:41] <gebbione> though it must be the result of an update
[12:41] <gebbione> as i had no problems yesterday
[12:43] <sveinse> jeromelanteri: you seem very sure that this is a driver issue... It's interesting thou that I can run X manually with xinit and there everything is working fine.
[12:57] <jesuspg> hi
[12:57] <jesuspg> what do you thing about it?? http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/
[12:57] <jesuspg> is not working very well
[13:00] <V7> https://i.imgur.com/p5fz56u.png
[13:01] <V7> jesuspg: This's might be apache config with some "dynamic" rewrite rules mb
[13:01] <zomaar> jesuspg: Working brilliantly right
[13:01] <zomaar> No they are just symlinks V7
[13:01] <V7> oh
[13:01] <zomaar> On your installer USB there is also a symlink /ubuntu pointing to .
[13:01] <jesuspg> and what about it? https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/ and click in some menu option
[13:03] <jesuspg> E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty-security/universe/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
[13:03] <jesuspg> building a docker with ubuntu 17
[13:04] <jesuspg> I don't know how many time ubuntu will solve this bug
[13:04] <zomaar> The problematic nature of problems
[13:05] <zomaar> If only problems weren't so problematic then we wouldn't mind having problems.
[13:05] <zomaar> Cause they'd be solvable
[13:07] <jesuspg> as you can see https://imgur.com/a/AkDjY, last update was 12:16
[13:24] <zomaar> Does someone have a mental trick on how to remember wwp0s2f1u2u2i3?
[13:25] <zomaar> Cause I'm so happy I have predictable network interface names, but now I only need to remember them
[13:27] <BluesKaj> zomaar, I keep text files  with important names/titles and cli commands due to my short memory
[13:28] <zomaar> :) I'm only joking of course.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> as a handy reference..
[13:29] <rreck_> of course
[13:29] <zomaar> I was just flabbergasted that my regular wwan0 had turned into wwp0s2f1u2u2i3 on this live usb
[13:29] <akik> unpredictable for the user
[13:29] <BluesKaj> yeah that's quite a handle, mine's about half as many characters
[13:33] <zomaar> I think they could easily during boot create a choke point where they renumerate those devices (such as at network.target) so that all devices present at boot would have a predictable number
[13:34] <zomaar> But Greg KH or whatever his name is said that wasn't possible because "network devices can keep popping up at any time, even physical on-board devices"
[13:34] <akik> zomaar: i just set net.ifnames=0 so i get the previous naming standard
[13:34] <V7> Is it okay to use iredmail in 2018 ?
[13:35] <zomaar> Aye, I do another trick but same thing
[13:35] <zomaar> So he said that network.target or even network-online.target could precede the discovery of the actual network device
[13:36] <zomaar> Or something like that
[13:37] <zomaar> He knows the kernel inside and out but it just seemed a little bit ludicrous to me
[13:38] <akik> if your physical network interfaces keep poppuing up, you have a hardware problem
[13:38] <zomaar> Yeah I think it's just silly that you have to choose between two "bad" alternatives
[13:39] <zamba> ok, i'm tired of this.. what is the correct way of handling linux kernels when using lvm and a separate /boot partition?
[13:39] <zomaar> Ie. OpenSUSE does not have PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames turned on by default
[13:39] <zamba> because EVERY system i install ends up with a full /boot
[13:43] <akik> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[13:50] <p00pface> Hey guys, whats the difference between : systemctl restart apache2 VS service apache2 restart
[13:50] <altaiir> You can try urxvt-256color in place of xterm because it 's really faster and lighter. That was test many times.
[13:52] <altaiir> Urxvt is friend-user but it select his friends
[13:54] <akik> p00pface: the former is for systemd and the latter for sysv init/upstart
[13:54] <akik> although upstart had initctl
[13:54] <jimb_> p00pface, Yup, mainly as akik said... and, 'service' is a wrapper for the underlying commands, including systemctl
[13:56] <zomaar> Personally I think the shorter commands (service, start, stop, restart) are a lot more pleasant even if I was not inspired by upstart.
[13:56] <p00pface> :\ Thank you ..
[13:56] <zomaar> Even older Synology NASes have upstart
[13:58] <zomaar> But I get confused about the order if I use service so I don't use it anymore
[13:58] <jimb_> service <service name> <action>
[13:58] <p00pface> any good resources where I can learn about those processes more in detail?
[13:59] <jimb_> zomaar, I too prefer to begin the command with the <Action> though :)
[13:59] <jimb_> `man` is a great start
[13:59] <zomaar> Not me :). But because systemctl does more, I just stick to systemctl
[13:59] <miku> any idea why network manager stops responding after few minutes of boot
[14:00] <zomaar> Well I mean I prefer "restart <service>", then "service <service> restart", and only then "systemctl restart <service>"
[14:01] <BluesKaj> stops responding how?
[14:01] <zomaar> Miku: You are using a newer version of Ubuntu?
[14:01] <miku> wireless still connected. but no internet access
[14:01] <miku> yes. i am using the latest ubuntu
[14:02] <jimb_> `dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999` ?
[14:02] <zomaar> There have been issues with systemd-networkd
[14:02] <zomaar> There lies probably the problem
[14:02] <BluesKaj> DNS settings perhaps
[14:02] <miku> may be...i will check out
[14:02] <zomaar> Yes it could remove your dns servers all the time
[14:04] <blackflow> I'm always recommending disabling systemd-resolved on all Ubuntu servers, it's totally broken and regular source of CVEs. 99.9999999% of users will be okay with DHCP set resolvers, as it was before systemd-resolved became a thing. systemd-resolved should NEVER have become default.
[14:05] <blackflow> s/servers/installations/
[14:05] <floof> the links in the topic do not work
[14:05] <zomaar> There was an excellent topic about it on some DNS mailing list
[14:05] <zomaar> When 16.10 came out
[14:06] <Guest57244> hi
[14:06] <zomaar> One reason I am upgrading Ubuntu slowly is to be able to handle all of the networking changes
[14:06] <zomaar> Actually that is really the only reason... :-/.
[14:06] <floof> i'm trying to download ubuntu .iso here
[14:07] <floof> and i see that it's served over http
[14:07] <blackflow> zomaar: netplan is weird in 17.10. I have yet to understand WHY it exists.
[14:07] <zomaar> I agree particularly because it does not even replace /etc/network/interfaces
[14:07] <floof> can i verify the image?
[14:08] <zomaar> If you worry about image verification and http...
[14:08] <floof> zomaar: pls continue
[14:08] <zomaar> Yes there is something called md5sums
[14:08] <zomaar> I'm just saying you'd be a bit paranoid if you didn't also know about md5sums
[14:09] <floof> md5 is not secure
[14:09] <blackflow> floof: yes, please see: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[14:09] <blackflow> note that oyu should verify even if it was https. https is NOT absolute.
[14:09] <blackflow> there are sha256 sums in there, check the link
[14:10] <floof> blackflow: why is this link not thrown at me full force when i download the iso?
[14:10] <blackflow> zomaar: actually it does replace. it uses "renderers" to generate proper config, and ifupdown is being deprecated. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[14:10] <floof> what about people who don't know much about this stuff and just want to use ubuntu?
[14:10] <zomaar> Mint got hacked and the image was changed *on the server* so your verification wouldn't have done a thing
[14:11] <blackflow> floof: it is, on the "Thank you for downloading Ubuntu ..." where the download starts, just scroll down a bit.
[14:11] <zomaar> If you can show me one link where a downloaded image was changed while in transit, I'm all ears.
[14:12] <floof> blackflow: it's under "installation guide" which people who have dealt with installing system will skip
[14:12] <blackflow> zomaar: you're asking for wrong kind of evidence :)
[14:12] <blackflow> floof: scroll a bit more, there's a box just underneath it, titled "Verify your download"
[14:12] <floof> blackflow: oh, well
[14:12] <floof> who scrolls that far
[14:13] <zomaar> blackflow: They wouldn't target regular people if it was limited, and if it was not limited, people should find out.
[14:13] <zomaar> So normal people should not worry about such things...
[14:13] <blackflow> floof: whoever doesn't, won't see any kind of "VERIFY HERE CLICK!!!!" label.
[14:13] <floof> blackflow: that's a bold claim
[14:14] <blackflow> so is the "who scrolls that far" :)
[14:14] <blackflow> zomaar: depends.
[14:14] <lllfated> hey whats going on
[14:15] <blackflow> zomaar: normal people in states with corrupt ISPs? normal people who are businesses and are under MITM attack by their competition? etc...
[14:15] <Borw3> LOL
[14:16] <zomaar> Sure but that was not what was implied with "someone who just wants to use Ubuntu"
[14:16] <zomaar> And of course the SHAs act as a deterrent
[14:16] <floof> some people come and say, sites can be hacked, you can't trust https
[14:16] <floof> what can i trust, then?
[14:16] <MonoMonkey> you can trust that you cannot trust anything
[14:16] <zomaar> Your self
[14:16] <Borw3> I know some people who make money off selling Ubuntu isos. ;D
[14:17] <blackflow> well you can't trust http. the certification model is broken. any of them can issue rogue certs, deliberately or accidentally through invalid verification, as it happened many times so far.
[14:17] <blackflow> *https
[14:17] <blackflow> but still, for majority of uses, it suffices.
[14:17] <jimb_> lol. If someone is going to alter the download, they should be smart enough to change the MD5/SHA sum to match... or I would hope so.
[14:17] <blackflow> there's more chance of someone attacking your plain http, than attacking you via a rouge cert.
[14:17] <zomaar> Exactly
[14:18] <blackflow> No, there are no known collisions for SHA256
[14:18] <zomaar> Except that government agencies are the ones with access to rogue certs
[14:18] <blackflow> you can't "just change" the package to embed malware AND make it have the same signature.
[14:18] <floof> even if i do all of that gpg verification, i'll still be verifying the key through https
[14:18] <zomaar> blackflow: Depends on where you are going to download the SHA from
[14:18] <blackflow> indeed.
[14:18] <floof> so ubuntu could just server me the image via https
[14:19] <blackflow> so it boils down to balance of probabilities. How likely it is that something is going on. Lke oyu said, for majority of normal users it's likely that nothing is going on.
[14:19] <blackflow> floof: that's true tho'. I wonder why it isn't.
[14:19] <jimb_> blackflow, Uhm... if you can intercept/change the traffic, then... you can change what signature is displayed on the site if you can't easily change the signature of the output file
[14:19] <zomaar> Precisely. Or that if something is going on, both the image and the SHA will be changed
[14:20] <floof> the majority of users will happily run a botnet on their pcs and wouldn't blick if you told them they do
[14:20] <oerheks> !fud
[14:20] <blackflow> jimb_: yes, but that's not what you said. you said "alter the download"
[14:20] <jimb_> blackflow, and how is the site viewed? as a download to your browser which renders it
[14:21] <x04e> one guy told me he has no anti-virus on windows because the viruses on his machine will kill each other
[14:21] <zomaar> Hahaha
[14:21] <jimb_> x04e, that's awesome
[14:21] <floof> by the way
[14:21] <floof> have *you* verified your ubuntu image?
[14:22] <zomaar> In any case I am glad miss Oerheks speaks some common sense
[14:22] <jimb_> Eventually, we will get smarter... and make more anti-body type defenses... anti-viral virii which infect by the same method as their enemy and that treat the infected. For now, it's only a few that do this.
[14:22] <blackflow> jimb_: yes, but I was talking about altering content over plain http. If someone can attack your https, then all bets are off, but that's also very difficult, and unlikely in majority of cases, unless conspiracy/evil ISPs/evil governments/etc...
[14:22] <zomaar> But you cannot even alter http unless you are government/evil ISP
[14:23] <x04e> but http is only altered if you are targeted anyways
[14:23] <blackflow> zomaar: yes you can :) WIFI is terribly weak and prone to stupid. KRACK attack was one such example.
[14:23] <x04e> no hacker would do the hassle to attack you if you are not a high value target
[14:23] <jimb_> zomaar, it's easier if you assume you are already infected and the alterations are from the inside.
[14:23] <x04e> time is money, even for hackes
[14:24] <x04e> and script-kiddys can't do it
[14:24] <zomaar> jimb_: But then I can also add a new root cert to the cert database
[14:24] <blackflow> *shrug* . My only point was that question, "what can you trust". You can't, anything. It only boils down to "how likely it is that I'm under attack". That's all.
[14:24] <kzh> Can anybody help me out with django.contrib.auth.models.PermissionsMixin.get_all_permissions return signature?
[14:24] <kzh> https://stackoverflow.com/q/44313696/143739
[14:24] <kzh> I know it is supposed to return a set of strings...
[14:24] <floof> zomaar: you get a ton of warnings if you add a root cert
[14:24] <jimb_> zomaar, I am not saying it's easy, practical, common or even the case. Simply playing devils advocate for a moment before we are told this is off-topic
[14:24] <oerheks> zomaar, mitm is so blunt , they never claim witm
[14:24] <kzh> but what are the perm strings supposed to look like?
[14:24] <x04e> blackflow yea i had a conversation once with exactly the same conclusion. everything in the net is build upon trust
[14:24] <kzh> I think django guardian is doing it wrong.
[14:25] <blackflow> x04e: there were some solutions to "https is a broken model" problem, see Moxie Marlinspike's convergence, but nobody cared enough, I guess.
[14:25] <zomaar> oerheks: Trying to be sexy huh
[14:25] <zomaar> Haha
[14:26] <x04e> ppl are fine with believing in they are safe.
[14:26] <jimb_> Of course they don't, men are the bane... not the wymens
[14:26] <oerheks> kzh, you might want to reask in #django, as it is not in our repos
[14:27] <kzh> oerheks: oops wrong window.
[14:27] <kzh> oerheks: ha ha thanks! :-)
[14:27] <oerheks> yw
[14:27] <zomaar> It's generally more pleasant to have the woman in the middle though
[14:28] <jimb_> badabing
[14:28] <floof> there's a whole lot of distance between trusting https and trusting http. https is as good as it gets unless you go to ubuntu hq and physically exchange keys
[14:28] <zomaar> Man in the middle would feel like an attack
[14:28] <floof> if you don't trust https you might as well wear a tinfoil hat, but it's as silly to not install a tls certificate on your iso serving machinces when it's free
[14:29] <zomaar> floof: Viruses in Windows though can just add themselves as exceptions to Windows Defender, prevent Malware scanners from loading, etc.
[14:29] <x04e> well there are scenarios where https isn't safe but not because of the protocol but because you are fooled e.g. by your isp
[14:30] <floof> what do viruses in windows have to do with this
[14:30] <x04e> if you have a cert in your browser that is ok, but it isn't the cert of the site you won't notice if you don't check
[14:30] <zomaar> Someone downloading an Ubuntu image because they just want to use Ubuntu
[14:30] <floof> x04e: isp can't tamper with https
[14:30] <x04e> they can with transparent proxy
[14:30] <x04e> some countrys do that
[14:31] <zomaar> I can with transparent proxy
[14:31] <zomaar> and I have
[14:31] <purvesh> bootable pendrive/usb to iso ubuntu but it should make iso to pen drive used size only not full 16gb iso, do anyone know how to make iso ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> blackflow, /etc/systemd/resolved.conf for DNS entries and using static IP with ifupdown and without NM works well here. Guess it depends on the setup, and netplan was clunky IME
[14:31] <floof> idk what a transparent proxy is, and it's probably a whole differnet topic
[14:31] <x04e> mkisofs could be a start purvesh
[14:31] <dragoonis> Hey! I'm switching from ubuntu 17.04 to 17.10 (or 16.10) and I'm getting an apt-get error for a custom repo - I'm unsure what values to change - can someone point me in the right direction?
[14:32] <dragoonis> https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/27af49fbe9df8a18c7a828f5f607c0cd
[14:32] <zomaar> purvesh: You can make an USB using Rupert on FAT32 so it will only use the size required
[14:32] <jimb_> #ubuntu+1 ?
[14:32] <purvesh> x04e, zomaar, any command you can recommend ?
[14:32] <blackflow> BluesKaj: works well until it doesn't. it has (had) issues with DNSSEC and Ubuntu's "solution" was to disable DNSSEC. It has issues with breaking the standard and arbitrarily remembering which server to resolve via, if there's more than one, instead of doing the established standard way of querying them in order.
[14:32] <blackflow> not to mention the CVEs...
[14:33] <zomaar> floof: Just a proxy that resigns your https certificate using a new key
[14:33] <purvesh> x04e, zomaar, its at sdc1
[14:33] <zomaar> floof: And one run by a router
[14:33] <oerheks> dragoonis, our ppa's should be disabled by upgrading, you might need to disable acustom ppa
[14:33] <purvesh> x04e, zomaar, save location $Downloads
[14:34] <zomaar> Oerheks: but I hear you, our language is very "man" oriented.
[14:34] <blackflow> floof: it's extremely easy to MITM a HTTPS connection IF (and that's a big IF) you have a rogue cert in your hands. Take a look at the list of CAs in your browser, each of them can issue one, deliberately or accidentally. It really all boils down to the likelihood of _you_ being the target.
[14:34] <blackflow> floof: that's why Google and Mozilla dropped StartCom from the list of trusted CAs.
[14:34] <zomaar> purvesh: I don't know how to do it in Linux myself
[14:34] <x04e> purvesh you may want to partition the drive
[14:35] <x04e> you can then enable the boot flag of the partition with the iso
[14:35]  * BluesKaj shrugs , haven't had any problems so far blackflow and it's been 5 months or so.
[14:35] <dragoonis> oerheks, don't quite understand what you said, sorry. As per my apt-get calls what should I tweak to disable custom ppa's
[14:35] <zomaar> She means it is recommended to first remove PPAs
[14:36] <zomaar> You can use ppa-purge to do so
[14:36] <riton_> hi guys
[14:36] <purvesh> zomaar, then tell me how to do it on any other operating system
[14:36] <zomaar> Otherwise you can get into a load of trouble such as packages not being able to be upgraded because they are downgrades because the PPAs are actually newer
[14:36] <zomaar> purvesh: Rupert in Windows
[14:37] <oerheks> dragoh, found a fix
[14:37] <purvesh> zomaar, that's software ?
[14:37] <floof> blackflow: still, that's the best you can get. and an organization such as ubuntu probably could get a verified certificate
[14:37] <oerheks> dragoonis, see the part secure apt > http://cran.ma.imperial.ac.uk/bin/linux/ubuntu/README >>> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys E084DAB9
[14:37] <zomaar> purvesh: Yes, but it's in the Ubuntu docs you can find online.
[14:37] <akik> zomaar: do you mean rufus?
[14:37] <purvesh> zomaar, this is my recovery pendrive
[14:38] <zomaar> Oh yes sorry
[14:38] <zomaar> :-/.
[14:38] <zomaar> My memory
[14:38] <x04e> yea rufus is pretty cool
[14:39] <p00pface> holy motherload of shitballs, how did I manage to dig myself in such a hellhole of errors... assistance would be MUCh appreciated here... HERE'S THE ISSUE: Been trying to install dolibarr (erp/crm) --> it requires mysql, apache2, php ... simple, right? Well I had issues with php so I figured I would remove, and reinstall: now. I've dabbled into removal of stuff I shouldn't have, and sudo apt autoremove --> I get an error with
[14:39] <p00pface> fusiondirectory.. and I can't remove it. Yet it's begging  to be removed.
[14:39] <x04e> but diskpart can do it too
[14:39] <akik> !language | p00pface
[14:39] <p00pface> Yep, got it :D
[14:40] <x04e> you have dependency problems?
[14:40] <p00pface> I still have a fascination with excrements even though I'm an adult... I'll talk to my therapist ;)
[14:40] <purvesh> zomaar, I tried to follow step which is mentioned here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/240803/convert-bootable-usb-to-iso-file but it used to save 16gb full when its originally consume 8gb only
[14:40] <x04e> aptitude has a dependency resolver
[14:40] <p00pface> x04e: how can I see that? apt-get install -f ?
[14:41] <x04e> well i did't fully understand your problem that's why i asked
[14:41] <p00pface> Ah! I didn't know about aptitude... (I don't fully understand my problem either :))
[14:42] <zomaar> purvesh: You don't want it to be written as an ISO
[14:42] <p00pface> https://ibb.co/hrRuj6
[14:43] <p00pface> See? that's the error problem I get ALL the time...
[14:44] <p00pface> I can't even install anything anymore :\ include this aptitude thing..
[14:44] <p00pface> <-- idiot
[14:44] <purvesh> zomaar, yes I want to save as an iso or img format from my bootable usb drive
[14:45] <x04e> seems like dpkg issues
[14:45] <zomaar> purvesh: You cannot write the image in an image format if you want it to be a regular filesystem
[14:46] <jimb_> I'm lazy and would probably sudo dpkg --force-all -P fusiondirectory
[14:46] <zomaar> Wait, you only want to SAVE the image?
[14:47] <zomaar> I thought you wanted space ON the USB.....
[14:47] <purvesh> zomaar, basically I don't want to keep bootable pen drive stuck If I make it empty by saving iso to my 2tb hard drive & by this I can make my pen drive free for other work
[14:48] <p00pface> jimb_ : https://imgur.com/a/ndm2H
[14:48] <zomaar> Purvesh: If the ISO is mostly empty you can just compress it if you want to save space.....
[14:48] <purvesh> ?
[14:48] <zomaar> Purvesh: Otherwise you would probably have to repack the ISO.....
[14:48] <jimb_> p00pface, hmmm. I don't remember off-hand how to bypass the post-removal script if it fails a dpkg force-all
[14:49] <p00pface> no worries, I'll be right here, banging my head against the wall :D
[14:50] <deem> p00pface: "sudo echo "exit" > /etc/init.d/apache2; sudo apt purge -y fusiondirectory; sudo rm /etc/init.d/apache2" should quickfix this
[14:50] <jimb_> You could possibly create an /etc/init.d/apache2 daemon file that responds to reload with exit status 0... that might trick it enough
[14:50] <jimb_> hah!
[14:50] <zomaar> Purvesh: Do you know what archiving is?
[14:50] <deem> oh. echo "exit" | sudo tee /etc/init.d/apache2 should be the first command
[14:50] <purvesh> zomaar, I followed steps here which is perfect solution for me but it make full 16gb iso instead it is actually 8gb https://askubuntu.com/questions/240803/convert-bootable-usb-to-iso-file
[14:50] <zomaar> Purvesh: tar.gz, tar.xz etc?
[14:51] <purvesh> zomaar, let me try to compress & revert back to you
[14:51] <leftyfb> deem: you do know the command you just posted will wipe the entire init script and replace it with a file containing only "exit" right?
[14:51] <p00pface> deem: sudo echo "exit" > /etc/init.d/apache2 --> permission denied ?
[14:51] <deem> leftyfb: if there is no such a script it will do no harm
[14:52] <x04e> lol that's cool
[14:52] <deem> p00pface: yea. see my text after the first
[14:52] <x04e> init.d/apache2: exit :D
[14:52] <x04e> i want to see the processor's face after reading this
[14:52] <x04e> ;)
[14:53] <jesuspg> any news about http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/?
[14:53] <jesuspg> any news about http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ ?
[14:53] <x04e> umm?
[14:53] <leftyfb> jesuspg: there's no news. Ignore it. It's not really a problem.
[14:54] <deem> leftyfb: his problem is, that he can't uninstall a package, because /etc/init.d/apache2 doesn't exist. so we create a file with just a "exit" in it and delete it after we purged the script. no problem at all. i would not recommend this if there is an apache installed, but then would there be an /etc/init.d/apache2 script
[14:54] <jesuspg> I can't launch apt-get because E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty-security/universe/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.161 80] E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty/universe/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.161 80] E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty-updates/universe/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.161 80] E: Failed
[14:54] <x04e> deem: ah :)
[14:55] <tomreyn> !zesty
[14:55] <tomreyn> jesuspg: it's eol, see above
[14:55] <leftyfb> jesuspg: zesty is not supported. That's why it's not working for you.
[14:55] <jimb_> wow, another Zesty request.
[14:55] <leftyfb> jesuspg: you'll need to upgrade to 17.10
[14:55] <x04e> the dead are risin'
[14:56] <p00pface> deem: https://imgur.com/a/o5oXB
[14:56] <tomreyn> hmm i'd say support ended in 2018, not 2017
[14:56] <x04e> it's half a year
[14:57] <x04e> no lts for non lts
[14:57] <oerheks> 9 months
[14:57] <x04e> oh yea right 9
[14:57] <x04e> just a little lts :P
[14:57] <deem> p00pface: try this: echo "exit" | sudo tee /etc/init.d/apache2; sudo apt purge -y fusiondirectory; sudo rm /etc/init.d/apache2
[14:57] <oerheks> just run updates app, and hit upgrade
[15:01] <p00pface> deem: https://ibb.co/bPC9j6
[15:02] <dragoonis> oerheks, how's this? I added key-server, is it in the correct line/order? https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/08ac0c2599369a33ea7d03226be0d14c
[15:03] <p00pface> Apache was installed previously
[15:03] <oerheks> dragoonis, i would add the key first, then the repository
[15:03] <oerheks> dragoonis, and skip  --allow-unauthenticated
[15:05] <dragoonis> oerheks, done - running CI build now - will let you know how it gets on
[15:06] <p00pface> https://askubuntu.com/questions/826116/cant-remove-purge-a-package-due-to-a-post-removal-script-error
[15:10] <p00pface> Well the whole OS reinstall seem more and more tempting........
[15:12] <tomreyn> you may want "exit 0" there, not just "exit"
[15:12] <purvesh> zomaar, Thanks tar.gz solved my query :)
[15:13] <zomaar> Yakkety and Zesty source information both got deleted yesterday
[15:14] <zomaar> That means you cannot even use apt with Zesty any longer
[15:15] <zomaar> Although the packages are still there
[15:15] <deem> why is there a permission denied error on /etc/init.d/apache2? oO that should not happen.
[15:16] <Li> any command line tool to check why pc response is too slow?
[15:16] <deem> p00pface: could you execute "echo "exit" | sudo tee /etc/init.d/apache2; ls -la /etc/init.d/apache2"
[15:16] <zomaar> It goes out of support and they immiediately disable the repository?
[15:17] <Li> I've to wait like 4 to 6 second to see the command on terminal after typing it
[15:17] <x04e> well... that's called out of support
[15:18] <tomreyn> Li: you are using a keyboard and monitor directly connected to this computer?
[15:18] <zomaar> I think it is called Microsoft Tactics
[15:19] <zomaar> And, it is also new
[15:19] <zomaar> Yakkety sources were available until yesterday
[15:20] <zomaar> Also normally it is expected to first completely upgrade your current distribution before doing the upgrade
[15:20] <zomaar> Which you can no longer do so now.
[15:20] <tomreyn> zomaar: there is old-archives.ubuntu.com
[15:20] <zomaar> Right
[15:21] <tomreyn> zomaar: but, yes, in thfuture, you need to migrate off a release which is pending loss of support before it looses support.
[15:21] <tomreyn> makes sense to me.
[15:21] <Li> tomreyn: directly connected
[15:21] <deadrom> sup folks. one oddity on my 16.04 with HWE kernel: /boot ran full, cleared out some old kernels that piled up, amongst one 4.4.0-103 and -101, now when I reboot all is fine but an error comes up about a package regarding that kernel. I used aptitude remove. so, what's left the system complains about?
[15:21] <zomaar> old-archives.ubuntu.com does not exist
[15:22] <zomaar> tomreyn: That's not how the real world works.
[15:22] <tomreyn> zomaar: sorry, i meant old-releases.ubuntu.com
[15:22] <brainwash> zomaar: but without the repo doesn't it mean that it completely upgraded?
[15:22] <zomaar> Okay
[15:22] <p00pface> deem:bash: echo exit | sudo tee /etc/init.d/apache2; ls -la /etc/init.d/apache2: No such file or directory
[15:24] <tomreyn> Li: i'd wun 'w' and inspect the system load. if it's unusually high, i'd look at 'top'. either case, look at 'dmesg -T',
[15:24] <zomaar> brainwash: What do you mean?
[15:24] <deadrom> screenie here: https://pasteboard.co/H3vJGwq.png <- seems postinst goes about that kernel even with it removed, but why?
[15:24] <zomaar> tomreyn: Ah thanks, that's where it went :).
[15:25] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | zomaar
[15:26] <tomreyn> see the wiki page for this and other related hints
[15:27] <ss942> This question is probably dumb as fck and totally urelated to ubuntoo but, can I create subdomain to my ip adress, I mean in some config I want to create subdomain.localhost and then connect to this subdomein. Server starts, I can create user on subdomain but I can't into login to this account outside
[15:28] <NoYzE1> maybe url rewrite?
[15:29] <NoYzE1> depend's on the web application you are running and the server config
[15:29] <p00pface> deem: i need to get some fresh air before i start biting keys off my keyboard in primal urst of rage... thanks ;)
[15:29] <p00pface> (still not working..)
[15:31] <ioria> deadrom, you probably partially removed the old kernels which come usually in 4 parts: linux-image, linux-image-extra, header and headers-generic. you can check with  dpkg -l | grep linux-generic   and dpkg -l | grep linux-headers
[15:32] <deadrom> ioria: oh, that's possible. I thought apt would resolve the deps and clear those out with autoremove. I'll review that.
[15:32] <ioria> deadrom, that's correct, indeed
[15:33] <ioria> deadrom, but you dais used 'aptitude'
[15:33] <ioria> +said
[15:34] <anchnk> hey where would you place logrotate user configuration file ? /usr/local/etc/logrotate.d or in the $HOME folder ?
[15:35] <Iarfen> hi!
[15:35] <NoYzE1> if the user should access it in $HOME if admin will access it in /usr/local/etc/
[15:36] <anchnk> thx NoYzE1
[15:36] <zomaar> tomreyn: Unfortunately the wiki page is grossly outdated
[15:36] <zomaar> tomreyn: Would do-release-upgrade always cycle through all the steps (e.g. Yakkety to Zesty to Aardvark)?
[15:37] <NoYzE1> i think yes
[15:37] <deem> p00pface: there seems to be more broken than expected. if you can't even create the file that's weird. you're copy pasting the commands?
[15:37] <NoYzE1> because the upgrade scripts are written this way
[15:38] <NoYzE1> except maybe if the target is out of support too
[15:38] <tomreyn> zomaar: by steps, you mean both lts and non-lts releases?
[15:39] <zomaar> NoYzE1: Do these scripts get downloaded?
[15:39] <deadrom> ioria: wellll, i removed the images with aptitude, then ran apt autoremove afterwards. uncool?
[15:40] <NoYzE1> zomaar dunno :( i was just assuming based on most other upgrade paths
[15:40] <ioria> deadrom, that's ok , paste   dpkg -l | grep linux-generic
[15:41] <ioria> deadrom, sorry,  paste   dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[15:41] <NoYzE1> if there is a patch from version 1 to version 2 then you have to put the patch of version 2 in version 3. if you want to support patch of 1 and 2 you will have to fully replace the file in version 3 or supply patches 1 and 2 with it.
[15:41] <NoYzE1> thats why most upgrade paths lead only to the next version
[15:42] <NoYzE1> because it's a mess otherwise
[15:42] <deadrom> ioria: eh, I just went away from the machine, sorry
[15:42] <deadrom> or better the machine from me
[15:43] <NoYzE1> in case of LTS you often replace the whole system and keep user-data, it's called in-place upgrade on windows i think
[15:44] <deadrom> completely different matter: info: people with old nvidias in t61 thinkpads etc on 16.04: install the xenail proposed updates for new kernels and dkms happily compiles it again.
[15:44] <deadrom> Meltdown patches fscked that good.
[15:45]  * deadrom is afraid this is only the beginning
[15:50] <sandeep__> hi
[15:50] <zomaar> My problem with Ubuntu at present is that they change too many systems around with each upgrade forcing me to go slower
[15:50] <sandeep__> i have installed ubuntu mate in lenovo g50 80. I have problem with problem with keyboard.Some keys wont work
[15:52] <leftyfb> sandeep__: boot an ubuntu or other distro live cd. If you still have the problem, the issue is more than likely the keyboard is bad (hardware)
[15:52] <sandeep__> i have tested with most of linux derivative same problem
[15:52] <leftyfb> sandeep__: then the keyboard is bad
[15:53] <sandeep__> key t works with capslock but not with shift
[15:53] <leftyfb> sandeep__: the keyboard is bad
[15:53] <sandeep__> some keys not work with shift and other shift stopped working
[15:53] <GivenToCode> anyone have a guide for creating a single node kubernetes cluster on ec2 that doesn't involve juju or conjur?
[15:53] <leftyfb> sandeep__: the keyboard is bad
[15:53] <GivenToCode> just like the 5 or 6 commands necessary
[15:54] <leftyfb> GivenToCode: you might try #ubuntu-server
[15:54] <sandeep__> is there any problem with keyboard layout ?
[15:55] <GivenToCode> cool thanks leftyfb
[15:56] <sandeep__> how do i check with keyboard layout ?
[15:57] <leftyfb> sandeep__: are you using a typical U.S. generic keyboard layout on the same type of keyboard?
[15:58] <sandeep__> while installing i selected us layout.
[15:59] <leftyfb> sandeep__: is it a standard U.S. keyboard?
[16:00] <sandeep__> yes
[16:01] <leftyfb> sandeep__: then your keyboard is bad
[16:11] <p00pface> deem: correct.
[16:11] <adithya> I am not able to use sudo apt-get update in my terminal
[16:11] <adithya> it is what it says https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BzgRnTTK/
[16:12] <oerheks> adithya, zesty is EOL, dead, upgrade please to 17.10
[16:13] <leftyfb> !zesty | adithya
[16:13] <sveinse> anyone here with experience with HiDPI+normal DPI and gnome? On 17.10. The display settings doesn't show the "Apply" button in all cases, like changing scaling, so I'm unable to change it there. How can I do this manually?
[16:13] <adithya> mine is v 16.04
[16:13] <oerheks> huh ? zesty sources in xenial 16.04???
[16:13] <oerheks> how did you do that?
[16:14] <adithya> i dont know. i am a newbie to this OS
[16:14] <p00pface> deem: I opened an askubuntu post... as there's no info I found on the web...
[16:14] <ioria> adithya, cat /etc/issue
[16:14] <p00pface> https://askubuntu.com/questions/997386/fusiondirectory-and-apache2-skullfucking-each-other
[16:14] <oerheks> oh, thay i guess you have 17.04
[16:15] <adithya> is there any command to know the version
[16:15] <ioria> adithya, cat /etc/issue
[16:15] <oerheks> hostnamectl status
[16:15] <adithya> oh thanks .. let me try this
[16:16] <adithya> it says there is no such command
[16:16] <ioria> adithya, for what command ?
[16:17] <adithya> cat/etc/issue
[16:17] <ioria> adithya, with a space   :   cat    /etc/issue
[16:18] <adithya> oh yeah it is 17.04 ;)
[16:18] <adithya> so should i upgrade to 17.10? as i only have a pentium core
[16:19] <tomreyn> which hardware you have does not matter. you don't want to run an unsupported OS.
[16:19] <oerheks> run the update tool, and hit 'newer version is available'
[16:20] <adithya> how should i do it?? i am way sorry. I am totally new to this sir
[16:21] <adithya> please forgive me
[16:21] <nacc> sveinse: 17.20 is eol
[16:21] <nacc> sveinse: bah, typo and i'm wrong anyways
[16:21] <nacc> sveinse: is your 17.10 full up to date?
[16:22] <sveinse> nacc: yes. fresh out of the box
[16:22] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | adithya
[16:22] <p00pface> deem: I didn't understand what I was doing. NOW. sudo apt purge -y fusiondirectory --> I get PERMISSION DENIED...
[16:22] <nacc> sveinse: even fresh, you should make sure you did update
[16:22] <sveinse> (looking forward to 18.04, but 16.04 was too old to run on this new laptop)
[16:23] <sveinse> nacc: Yes, it is
[16:23] <tomreyn> adithya: no need to be sorry, i'm sorry if this came over too blunt. see if you can follow the guide on the wiki ubottu just posted. if you get stuck, just ask.
[16:24] <p00pface> deem: I've done chmod 1770 /etc/init.d/apache2
[16:25] <ash_work> what's the busybox toolset called again?
[16:25] <p00pface> and IT WORKED :D
[16:26] <sveinse> what I'm trying to accomplish is to find a reliable way to set display settings. And since gnome display settings doesn't work complete, where can I find logs that I can read to see if there is something not working right, e.g. the driver
[16:26] <adithya> ok
[16:27] <croberts> is there a way on 17.10 to get unity back or is someone making a port of it
[16:27] <ash_work> maybe I was imagining a name
[16:28] <zomaar> sveinse: Do you mean xrandr?
[16:29] <sveinse> I have a HiDPI 4k built-in display. On its own everything is fine. Connect a non-HiDPI external screen the fonts on the external screen is HUGE. Opening gnome display settings, see both screens fine. But changing the "scaling" option on either screens does not present the "Apply" button, so I cannot, well, apply the setting. And this is where I am now
[16:29] <jimb_> ash_work, the busybox toolset? Is it not simply called busybox?
[16:30] <zomaar> HiDPI is nothing but trouble anyway.
[16:30] <zomaar> But I don't know how to set it by itself
[16:30] <ash_work> jimb_: I guess I was just imagining it
[16:30] <jimb_> ash_work, as in `busybox <command you wanna run>`
[16:30] <ash_work> I thought it was called something tools
[16:30] <ash_work> I wanted to look up information on a specific command, `busybox` was enough to accomplish that
[16:31] <ash_work> although if it happens that there is a name, I'd still be interested
[16:31] <akik> sveinse: try if this works for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/6w98zw/heres_my_fine_laptop_current_am_16_proud_of_this/dm7883z/
[16:32] <jimb_> I have always simply used `busybox` to determine what set of commands were built into that compiled blob... especially since many devs choose to leave out certain commands.
[16:32] <akik> sveinse: what desktop environment are you using?
[16:32] <sveinse> akik: gnome shell
[16:33] <akik> sveinse: oh well might not work in that since they hard code the dpi to 96
[16:35] <woldish> I have a problem with hash mismatch, anybody know how to fix it? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26411570/
[16:35] <sveinse> I'm not ranting, but I observe that Linux has a way to go to have fully on-the move handling of displays and dynamic connection to various displays
[16:36] <zomaar> sveinse: KDE is even much worse still
[16:37] <akik> zomaar: kde works fine with one external display and hidpi
[16:37] <zomaar> They're not even trying
[16:38] <sveinse> Yeah, its strange. I'm a dev, but as a user, I don't really want to learn the intrcacies of xrandr and display setup in xorg
[16:38] <zomaar> In 16.04 I have to disable KScreen to even be able to connect a single extra monitor in mirror mode
[16:39] <zomaar> My first experience was NO OUTPUT whatsoever and having to reboot to get any screen back
[16:39] <sveinse> Or to put it another way: The only thing stopping me from running all Ubuntu on my corporate laptop is that is does not handle when I move about. E.g. for connecting to a projector for a presentation and such. Always a hassle. So I have a windows 10 laptop for that
[16:39] <rainhavictoria> hi
[16:40] <zomaar> sveinse: I even feel depressed talking about how much of a waste of time it is for everyone to have to use such crappy software.
[16:40] <woldish> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26411588/ any fix?
[16:40] <zomaar> If we as users had an easier time, we could spend that time fixing software.
[16:40] <jimb_> sveinse, That's odd to me. I suppose I have been very lucky with Ubuntu as I bounce around quite a bit and it's often my Ubuntu laptops that get requested when my MacBook co-workers have issues.
[16:40] <akik> sveinse: linux has always been able to use tweaks to configure your system if your distro provider is not able to make it automatic
[16:40] <sveinse> Some of my *nix friendly devs resort to Mac and they feel this is middle ground between linuxes oddities and windows mainstram
[16:41] <zomaar> The benefit of every small increment is huge beacuse it mutiplies.
[16:41] <zomaar> If I don't have to spend an hour figuring out why ldd doesn't work, I can spend that hour writing code.
[16:42] <jimb_> woldish, https://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error
[16:43] <zomaar> If established developers spent more time polishing their software starting 10 years ago, we'd now have a system equivalent to Windows
[16:43] <akik> sveinse: i've used linux on my laptop for more than 10 years. it hasn't been smooth sailing but i've always found a solution to make it work
[16:43] <sveinse> So now I have a new laptop. With new challenges
[16:43] <jer> zomaar, blanket statements like that aren't helpful -- they're insulting -- speaking as a developer of 31 years.
[16:43] <jer> and it puts other developers on the defnesive, which is counter to your desired outcome
[16:44] <sveinse> akik: I have been running linux for 20, and yes I agree. But I've always had to sacrefice something. And it takes time to get everything going
[16:44] <zomaar> It happens to be just true.
[16:44] <zomaar> Denying it won't change anything either.
[16:44] <zomaar> Denial is the main asset of Linux.
[16:46] <sveinse> So, since the prerequisite for getting the display thing going on this machine is to learn how displays are handled. So is gnome display settings using xrandr? Is that the channel which everything related to display settings is funneled through?
[16:46] <zomaar> I don't think DPI works that way
[16:46] <zomaar> Only resolutions, but I could be wrong.
[16:46] <akik> zomaar: on kde you can fix the hidpi problem that way
[16:47] <zomaar> akik: Right
[16:47] <sveinse> I honestly think there is bug in gnome display settings, since it does not show me the apply button. So I need to do the equivalent setting manually
[16:48] <akik> sveinse: did you try that xorg snippet?
[16:49] <sveinse> hah, interstingly the same happens if I change the resolution. The Apply button still is missing.
[16:49] <zomaar> jer: If you feel it doesn't apply to you, then you know yourself to be one of the exceptions and have no need to feel insulted.
[16:51] <sveinse> ...but the Window list shows that the caption for the window is "Apply Changes?", but there is no button in the actual window
[16:51] <gunix> sveinse: i've been running linux since 2006, bud i had a windows boot for games most of this time. i stopped in 2017, since gaming on linux got to the point where it just works. i don't feel like I am sacrificing something now by using linux. i feel like i am sacrificing something when using windows: freedom and performance
[16:51] <akik> sveinse: can you move the window with alt+left mouse ?
[16:52] <zomaar> gunix: It's not like Windows 10 is such a great thing.
[16:52] <sveinse> akik: oh yess indeed. I can interact with it fully, except for the missing apply button on the top right corner
[16:52] <zomaar> So the choice became a bit easier ;-)
[16:54] <bipul> I have accidentally deleted the /var/lib/dpkg
[16:54] <bipul> How to recover it back?
[16:54] <zomaar> Honestly Windows, if I am allowed to speak of such things, 10, makes it hard to concentrate on your work, and Linux is now a much more quiet environment.
[16:54] <leftyfb> zomaar: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:54] <gunix> zomaar: my company makes me use it, so believe me, i know
[16:55] <zomaar> bipul: You cannot
[16:55] <gunix> now really guys, isn't this channel for support for people who don't know how to use ubuntu, or have problems to report? all this chat should go to #ubuntu-offtopic. no offence
[16:55] <leftyfb> bipul: try https://askubuntu.com/questions/383339/how-to-recover-deleted-dpkg-directory
[16:55] <bipul> zomaar, Yes i can not that's why i am asking :p
[16:56] <bipul> leftyfb, Yes, i tried those options, but seems like it is not working.
[16:57] <leftyfb> bipul: how so?
[16:57] <zomaar> bipul: You can only recreate the default one, and would have to reinstall all other packages after that?
[16:57] <leftyfb> zomaar: there are backups
[16:57] <zomaar> Right
[16:57] <sveinse> akik: I don't really want to set a xorg config, because that defeats the purpose of having multiple display setups on the go. I believe that is what gnome intends too
[16:58] <bipul> It says "E: flAbsPath on /var/lib/dpkg/status failed - realpath (2: No such file or directory)
[16:59] <sveinse> But no one knows where the gnome display setting is logged so I can take a look at it?
[16:59] <zomaar> bipul: You have indeed those backups in /var/backups
[16:59] <bipul> ok.
[16:59] <motaka2> Hi, whenever I want to install redmine i see this error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:59] <motaka2>   , can you help me?
[17:00] <zomaar> bipul: You have to take /var/backups/dpkg.*.0 and take the 0 off as you copy them to /var/lib/dpkg
[17:00] <bipul> oh ok.
[17:00] <akik> sveinse: nobody knows where gnome intends to go :P
[17:03] <brainwash> sveinse: gnome uses dconf for configuration storage, and you can easily browse through the settings with dconf-editor
[17:05] <cheetahpixie> Evening, folks. I have a problem with Wine, and am not sure whether to direct it here or elsewhere.
[17:05] <cheetahpixie> When I open the open with dialog on any .exe file, Wine does not show up.
[17:06] <cheetahpixie> The only way to get it to run is through the terminal.
[17:06] <zomaar> cheetahpixie: AA I guess
[17:06] <zomaar> Oh
[17:06] <cheetahpixie> My question is: Why are these entries missing and can I somehow fix it?
[17:06] <cheetahpixie> I would *really* like to be able to doubleclick on stuff to open it.
[17:07] <brainwash> cheetahpixie: point it to wine then
[17:08] <cheetahpixie> Do they have a channel?
[17:09] <sveinse> does anyone know which component or package the display settings of gnome is in? I apparetly need to read some code
[17:09] <brainwash> cheetahpixie: I meant that you do "open with ..." and point it to the wine binary
[17:09] <brainwash> cheetahpixie: and yes, there is #winehq
[17:11] <jmft2> d
[17:13] <sveinse> akik: I was right: "GNOME ignores X settings due to its xsettings Plugin in Gnome Settings Daemon, where DPI setting is hard coded."  There is no point in tweaking xorg settings as gnome takes over
[17:14] <B14CK-SPID3R> hi, is there any problem to upgrade ubuntu 16.04 with kali linux repositories? ( 940 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 528 not upgraded. )
[17:16] <anddam> howdy
[17:16] <anddam> what's a shell that is in ubuntu's repo and has history completion with up arrow? (unlike bash's search history)
[17:17] <nacc> B14CK-SPID3R: kali != ubuntu, offtopic here
[17:17] <Scoobz> kali
[17:17] <brainwash> anddam: try fish
[17:18] <B14CK-SPID3R> nacc: you right. but it's a general question. because i need its repo for installing some tools and packages.
[17:18] <new2linux> Bashing-om: I think I may have made some progress today! I tried to install the drivers for Nvidia via the software update program (instead of command line) and it seems in succession to doing so, I got the "choice box" he was talking about in the nvidia-settings program! It was entirely missing yesterday. I ticked off Nvidia instead of Intel, but have yet to reboot due to work requirements using my workstation.
[17:19] <cheetahpixie> brainwash: the entry for wine is missing from that selection
[17:19] <new2linux> Bashing-om: thereafter I am hopeful it might be resolved.
[17:19] <nacc> B14CK-SPID3R: define problem. You're unsupported here.
[17:19] <nacc> B14CK-SPID3R: for some, that would be a problem.
[17:19] <brainwash> cheetahpixie: and you can't browse the filesystem?
[17:20] <B14CK-SPID3R> i mean some problems like crash or break system.
[17:20] <Bashing-om> new2linux: :)
[17:20] <cheetahpixie> brainwash: I can, but I have absolutely no idea where the Wine binary itself is located.
[17:20] <zomaar> cheetahpixie: /usr/bin/wine
[17:21] <zomaar> B14CK-SPID3R: You mean to upgrade to a higher version of Ubuntu?
[17:21] <brainwash> cheetahpixie: you can do "which wine" in a terminal window
[17:21] <new2linux> Bashing-om: I never saw the checkbox you or he were referring to until I went about the nvidia installation using that.
[17:21] <cheetahpixie> okay
[17:21] <B14CK-SPID3R> nacc: no actually. upgrade some packages to newer version. ( sudo apt-get upgrade )
[17:22] <jer> zomaar, nah i'm just old enough to realize that i'm not the code i write. i write bugs just like everyone else, and just like everyone else, i sometimes don't catch them before something ships. it's the nature of the beast. there's no magic amount of time that'll fix that =]
[17:22] <V7> Is it possible to restore the whole system from tar ( except /proc /sys /run /media ) while logged in ?
[17:22] <V7> I mean ... is it possible to untar the whole system to / when already logged in to this sytem ?
[17:22] <zomaar> jer: It's not about bugs
[17:22] <cheetahpixie> ...I don't see an option in the Select Application dialog to enter a custom path.
[17:22] <jer> that was the crux of your comment, was quality sucks, so people spend more time fixing bugs than refining the system
[17:23] <cheetahpixie> brainwash btw
[17:23] <jer> or did i misinterpret you?
[17:23] <sveinse> V7, no, but if you're in another rootfs, e.g. a initrd image, that is possible
[17:23] <sveinse> V7, it's not straight forward
[17:23] <V7> sveinse: So how then is it possible to restore system remotely ?
[17:24] <zomaar> B14CK-SPID3R: With any PPA upgrade will just work?
[17:24] <XAlkindiX> I have a question about Canonical products : what is the difference between Ubuntu Advantage and Landscape and can regular users take the advantage from them?
[17:24] <B14CK-SPID3R> nacc: for example if i remove kali rolling repo, my packages are up to date. but when i add it, i need to do some upgrading for them. so i'm afraid of breaking system. because some packages won't upgrade.
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> !landscape | XAlkindiX
[17:24] <brainwash> cheetahpixie: I would expect to be able to do that
[17:24] <sveinse> V7: You need to be outside the system you're restoring. So in server marked they usually have some extra control channel, like ILO, that gives you access to boot sources
[17:25] <V7> The International Labour Organization ?
[17:25] <zomaar> jer: I never spoke of bugs
[17:25] <zomaar> jer: I mean unfinished features, or "this is not a bug but a feature" attitudes
[17:25] <sveinse> V7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Integrated_Lights-Out
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> B14CK-SPID3R: we dont support it, only ubuntu support
[17:25] <jer> zomaar, you didn't use that word, but you did say if they focused on refining things 10 years earlier, that we'd have a system approaching windows level today... which has a few implicit statements (which you may or may not have intended in it)
[17:26] <zomaar> jer: Example is libreoffice not wanting to change undo configuration
[17:26] <jer> anyway, apolgoies if i misrepresented your position
[17:26] <jer> zomaar, right, individual people are inherently selfish =]
[17:26] <jer> "works on my computer" kind of thing
[17:26] <jer> the advancement of linux systems approaching more "user friendly" solutions, is a sociological problem as much as it is a technological one
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | jer zomaar
[17:27] <jer> lotuspsychje, apologies
[17:27] <zomaar> If you want come to #ubuntu-discuss then
[17:28] <B14CK-SPID3R> lotuspsychje: and can you tell me how can i install "build-essential libreadline-dev libssl-dev libpq5 libpq-dev libreadline5 libsqlite3-dev libpcap-dev git-core autoconf postgresql pgadmin3 curl zlib1g-dev libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev vncviewer libyaml-dev curl zlib1g-dev" and absolutely "msf" in ubuntu 16.04? (without kali repo)
[17:28] <V7> sveinse: What about Gateway Smart Console ?
[17:28] <sveinse> V7, there is a technique for upgrading the system you're on if you cannot do dpkg upgrade: 1) transfer the upgrade tar to the target system, 2) Prep the bootloader to boot into a special initrd image, 3) Reboot into the initrd, mounting and starting the installer, 4) Reboot once more into the installed system.
[17:29] <hdavis> hello
[17:29] <sveinse> V7: Don't know about it. I'm not well versed in the server marked
[17:29] <anddam> brainwash: yep, thanks
[17:29] <anddam> didn't know it made into official repo
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> B14CK-SPID3R: 'if' you have installed ubuntu, you can install all apckages from the ubuntu repos
[17:30] <B14CK-SPID3R> lotuspsychje: i've just ask about risk of upgrade with another repos !
[17:30] <B14CK-SPID3R> lotuspsychje: i couldn't find these packages in ubuntu repos. and also couldn't find any article about it.
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> B14CK-SPID3R: we dont support external ppa's adding neither, so we dont reccomend upgrade ubuntu with external ppa's
[17:31] <V7> So you're talking about some proprietary backup boot system
[17:31] <sveinse> V7, essentially, yes
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | B14CK-SPID3R
[17:32] <V7> So how is it possible to tell system to boot into it and how is it possible to create such two commands sytem which will untar thing and reboot ?
[17:32] <altaiir_> nobody is perfect
[17:33] <sveinse> V7, granted, lots of steps
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> altaiir_: can we help you?
[17:33] <B14CK-SPID3R> Ok. Thank you very much.
[17:33] <altaiir_> why do you want help me
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> !support | altaiir_ is why
[17:34] <oerheks> wait, does kali have build essentials ?
[17:34] <Checkmate>  guys perl and bash script display as plain text
[17:35] <Checkmate> on apache
[17:35] <sveinse> How mature is it to run wayland on 17.10?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: some systems run fine and others dont
[17:35] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: any specifics in what does and what doesn't?
[17:36] <sveinse> hw domain specific or application use specific?
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: well lets stick to real ubuntu issues here, feel free to discuss a bit in #ubuntu-discuss
[17:37] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: So wayland is not a way to fix my 17.10 ubuntu gnome-shell display issues then? ;)
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: what issue do you have?
[17:39] <sveinse> I have a Lenovo P51 HiDPI laptop, and I'm trying to connect external screens and get the DPI settings right. The display connects fine, but the fonts on the external screen is large, so I figure I need to set the scaling on the HiDPI screen. But gnome display settings does not react when I change the scaling settings
[17:39] <sveinse> It hides the Apply button
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you did ask this before in here right, seen it passby
[17:40] <sveinse> yes, I have. I'm trying to figure out how I can help myself dig deeper in this, but I don't seem to come past the surface
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: have you created a bug about it, or added yourself affected to an existing one?
[17:42] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: not yet. I don't if it is. One guy claimed that this was a driver issue, not a gnome issue, so I don't really know yet
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: as wayland is a new start on ubuntu, its important to help create bugs about it and 17.10 is non-lts
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: does your problem occur on xorg? have you tested?
[17:42] <apteryx_> hello, how can I terminate Unity from the command line? pkill unity doesn't
[17:42] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I'm not running wayland now, I was asking if it could bring me anywhere going there
[17:44] <oerheks> apteryx_, you could stop unity when in TTY2, sudo service lightdm stop or 17.10 sudo systemctl lightdm stop
[17:44] <apteryx_> I'm not running lightdm, I was in ratpoison and used the tmpwm command to start 'unity'
[17:44] <akik> sveinse: this says that for wayland, there would be per-monitor scaling https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/HiDpi
[17:44] <apteryx_> The ratpoison WM docs says when that process dies I'll be back in ratpoison; so I'm trying to figure out how to undo starting 'unity'
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you are running 17.10 right?
[17:45] <oerheks> apteryx_, oh that i don't know.. anyway you can from tty2
[17:45] <ImageJPEG> Any ideas on how to get the network interface up without Network Manager on Ubuntu 17.06? Basically just using /etc/network/interfaces file.
[17:45] <ImageJPEG> Right now, ifconfig shows the interface but cannot do anything network wise. Cannot ping and whatnot
[17:46] <sveinse> When I'm at work, I have two external DP screens. gdm3 shows them perfectly, both resolution and placement images. But when I log into gnome shell, the displays goes haywire and the machine seems to be cycling through the modes. The dialogue which is shown when pressing super+p for changing to mirror display, etc. is shown.
[17:46] <ImageJPEG> But can see network traffic using tcpdump
[17:46] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: yes, 17.10 fresh installation
[17:46] <akik> ImageJPEG: if you create the network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, it'll be taken into use automatically for that interface
[17:46] <ImageJPEG> ok, but it doesn't seem to. We have the network interface inside the interfaces file but still will not work
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: when at home try a few tests ok
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: id reccomend xorg session as test strongly, to compare
[17:47] <ImageJPEG> We've removed network-manager from the packages as well
[17:47] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: ok, I'm at home now
[17:47] <oerheks> ImageJPEG, time to upgrade, you won't get meltdown/spectre
[17:47] <oerheks> patches*
[17:47] <ImageJPEG> I should correct myself, we're running 17.10
[17:48] <ImageJPEG> not 06
[17:48] <apteryx_> or; I'm only missing the top Unity bar that would allow me to graphically log out. How can I start that one?
[17:49] <donofrio> anyone know how I can reduce the cpu load of these usb to dvi "pluggable (directlink -  UGA-3000)" video dongles?
[17:49] <donofrio> https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Graphics-Multiple-2048x1152-1920x1080/ I have four of these and they seem to take up too much cpu....
[17:52] <zsoc> is `daemon` a legit thing to use? (16.04).. vs just getting something to work proper with systemd as a service?
[17:52] <zsoc> I'm finding the man page to be a little vague
[17:53] <ImageJPEG> Basically, we have a bunch of servers running Ubuntu 17.10. They've been installed with a gui because apparently it's needed for what they're doing. We need to find a way to remove Network Manager and allow us to easily program static IPs via the interfaces file or find an extreamly easy way to do that with NM over ssh.
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> ImageJPEG: i hope not production?
[17:53] <nacc> ImageJPEG: i *believe* NM cann be disabled via systemd?
[17:54] <oerheks> ImageJPEG, see netplan > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[17:54] <ImageJPEG> It's nothing mission critical or anything like that
[17:59] <vanny> hi all, brand new ubuntu user here and need help :P
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> vanny: ask your issue in the channel please
[18:01] <vanny> I did an install of 17.10 server and wifi worked fine, once I did GUI update now I have no network, jsut says wifi unavailable
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> vanny: define GUI update?
[18:02] <ImageJPEG> oerheks: Thanks for the suggestion. We'll be getting into that. Looks like that'll do the trick.
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> vanny: tell us what you did exactly
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | oerheks
[18:03] <vanny> newbie here, so I did the install ubuntu-desktop from the command line
[18:04] <titou_> hey
[18:04] <titou_> i'm trying to install kubuntu on a PC. I just downloaded the last ISO version but when it is installing I've got an "Input/Output error" while I succeed to install ubuntu on this computer with this usb stick..
[18:04] <titou_> is there a bug in the kubuntu iso?
[18:04] <ranjeet> #django
[18:05] <yeats> titou_: that usually points to a hardware problem somewhere (in my experience)
[18:05] <yeats> titou_: could be a bad usb stick or bad usb port or something else along the way
[18:05] <titou_> thus why I was able to install ubuntu?
[18:05] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | titou_
[18:06] <yeats> titou_: i/o errors don't necessarily mean it won't eventually work
[18:06] <titou_> I already checked the sha256 and it's good
[18:06] <titou_> moreover the install program just stop and restard KDE..
[18:06] <titou_> thus the installation is not finished
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> vanny: so you installed ubuntu 17.10 server then installed desktop over it?
[18:06] <vanny> yeah, sorry i install the gnome desktop
[18:07] <titou_> I'll try with another usb stick ..
[18:07] <sveinse> I see Lenovo P51 is certified for pre-install with Ubuntu. Then I suppose there is hope to find solutions to some of the issues I'm seeing.
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> vanny: you want to use ubuntu server or desktop?
[18:07] <sveinse> Another one is that sometimes it hangs on reboot and shutdown and I have to kill it with longpress of the power button
[18:07] <Checkmate> i cannot run perl on apache
[18:08] <vanny> server I guess, but manage some items from gui. Im a windows server guy, this is my first move to linux
[18:08] <yeats> Checkmate: can you provide more details about what's going on?
[18:08] <titou_> thus I have another question independant from the first one: does kubuntu will work well on a 2-in-1 laptop? I mean with an interface with big buttons, virtual keyboard etc. ?
[18:09] <titou_> during the installation the DPI is bad (the text is really really small) rather than I had no problem with ubuntu installation
[18:09] <sveinse> vanny: welcome! I know how you might feel (I'm somewhat in the same position when being handed a Windows server.)
[18:09] <Checkmate> yeats i'm trying to excute site.com/test.pl on apache2 i get plaintext
[18:09] <yeats> titou_: I'm not a KDE user, but there's probably a scaling option somewhere in the settings
[18:10] <titou_> yeah I guess so but maybe someone already got some hints about this kind of use :)
[18:11] <yeats> Checkmate: you've verified that mod_perl is installed and enabled?
[18:11] <Checkmate> yes yeats
[18:11] <Checkmate> now i get Internal Server Error
[18:12] <nacc> Checkmate: and did you check the logs?
[18:12] <ImageJPEG> Do I need to do anything or add it to the system init to get netplan started? Or is it something fairly ingrained into Ubuntu where I don't need to do anything?
[18:12] <yeats> Checkmate: /var/log/apache2/error.log (or maybe journalctl)
[18:13] <cheetahpixie> https://i.imgur.com/BEMLHe5.png brainwash There is literally no option in this window to do that.
[18:13] <cheetahpixie> The find button there takes me to the software store thing.
[18:14] <Checkmate> Permission denied: exec of '/var/www/html/q.pl' failed: /var/www/html/q.pl
[18:14] <Checkmate> End of script output before headers: q.pl
[18:15] <nacc> Checkmate: ... right, so is it executable?
[18:15] <Checkmate> yes
[18:15] <nacc> Checkmate: as the www-data user?
[18:16] <Checkmate> yes
[18:17] <nacc> Checkmate: pastebin q.pl ?
[18:17] <Checkmate> https://pastebin.com/raw/UxY7f0Cr
[18:18] <Checkmate> Internal Server Error
[18:18] <ioria> Checkmate, usually when ff displays code instead of executing it, it's because  it's unable to find the application to run the script
[18:20] <Checkmate> fixed by #!/usr/bin/perl -w
[18:21] <nacc> i don't believe you should consider that a 'fix'
[18:24] <sveinse> There have to be a bug in gnome display settings: If I start X with the internal display enabled, but the external display disabled, the gnome display settings does not show an "Apply" button when I select "Join displays" in display mode. "Mirror" does however
[18:25] <lordcirth_work> vanny, sounds like ubuntu-desktop installed networkmanager which changed your settings.  Try 'sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager.service' and reboot.
[18:25] <mabr> hi! anyone knows what happened to zesty repo?
[18:25] <nacc> mabr: zesty is eol
[18:25] <mabr> can't apt-get anything, getting 404 not found...
[18:25] <lordcirth_work> !zesty
[18:25] <vanny> i found that it looks like my wifi card isnt supported
[18:26] <mabr> yeah, but earlier today i installed new packages and now i can't anymore
[18:26] <lordcirth_work> vanny, were you on wifi before, not ethernet?
[18:26] <mabr> @nacc
[18:26] <lordcirth_work> mabr, then I guess they took the repos down today?  Upgrading should still work.
[18:26] <lordcirth_work> !eolupgrade | mabr
[18:27] <vanny> for all install. it is weird as from terminal it shows there and even show the network but no internet connection. I did find a link to issues with the RT3090 card
[18:27] <mabr> thanks, will check the links...
[18:27] <mchelen> i'm trying to use opencl on ubuntu 17.10 and i have nvidia prop drivers 384 installed, but clinfo shows 0 platforms. how can i fix this?
[18:27] <sveinse> where is it best to discuss gnome issues? Here or somewhere else?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: ask about gnome issues fits here
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: there is also #ubuntu-gnome if you like
[18:29] <p00pface> Hm! ANyone familiar with phpmyadmin? I cannot login as root, but I can loging as phpmyadmin... it's a fresh install... the phpmyadmin user doesn't have root privileges, and therefore I can't create new DB or new users...
[18:29] <p00pface> so I need to go create those through the Mysql/terminal database... correct?
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | p00pface
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> p00pface: you might consider a new nickname aswell on freenode
[18:30] <CodifiedSlavery> Sure.
[18:30] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: Perhaps its better to talk there? I'd like to figure out how I can figure out if and how I can fix my setup
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: the best way to resolve issues, is to ask them in channel with all your details, ubuntu version, kernel,steps taken in one line
[18:32] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: ok thanks. I'll try
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> !details | sveinse
[18:33] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: yeah, thing is X and gnome is not my expert area, so often I need help to find where I can find things like configs and current settings
[18:35] <sveinse> Perhaps a youtube video showing the issue, since this is a UX issue?
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: thats what this channel is for, aka ask: hi i cant find my xorg config in gnome 17.10?
[18:35] <sveinse> great
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: start from the start ok..
[18:37] <titou_> ok so with the other usb stick the installed worked.. sorry :( I don't really understand
[18:37] <titou_> anyway when I start KDE, plasma is not designed for tablet :( no virtual keyboard etc.. is there somehting to install for that?
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> titou_: some usb brands dont work well, or might be broken?
[18:38] <titou_> it's a new usb stick :s
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> titou_: new usb's can also be broken
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> titou_: perhaps you can ask in #kubuntu, they might know a trick for you
[18:43] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I have Lenovo P51, with nvidia+intel GPU using prime. Running 17.10, gnome-shell, using nvidia 384.111 drivers from ubuntu. In this setup I have the internal HiDPI panel + external hdmi (normal DPI). 1) When gdm3 starts, the desktop spans multiple screens OK, 2) When gnome-shell starts, I have only the internal screen enabled. 3) If I open gnome display settings to enable the external screen
[18:43] <sveinse> by pressing "Join displays" I get no "Apply" button
[18:45] <sveinse> Oh, I get an apply button if I set scaling on both screens to 200%. (yielding fonts I can read on the moon on the external screen)
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: is this what you experience? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1375342
[18:46] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: checking -- not running wayland, btw. sorry did't add that to the list above
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: so your on xorg?
[18:47] <fundies> can someone help me set gcc version? update-alternatives: error: alternative cpp can't be slave of gcc: it is a master alternative
[18:48] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: yes. and the bugzilla issue is the same I'm seeing
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you tested this in wayland also?
[18:48] <fundies> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26412264/ this is command I want to run
[18:49] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: no I haven't yet. Should I?
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: id reccomend it as a test yes
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: before we move into a new bug
[18:49] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: thanks, then I will
[18:50] <sveinse> (never done it before, so I'll google it)
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: just logout, then you can choose xorg or wayland session
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: aka: ubuntu or ubuntu on xorg
[18:51] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I probably need to change back to lightdm then, since I can't seem to find any such option in gdm3
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> fundies: could your share with us what you really are trying to do?
[18:51] <sveinse> and install wayland of course
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: wayland is default on 17.10
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: perhaps your affected to the bug, it doesnt show at login?
[18:52] <sveinse> wait, how do I know if I'm already running wayland. I've just installed a stock 17.10 image and changed to gnome-shell
[18:52] <fundies> lotuspsychje, i did
[18:53] <Borw3> LOL, just read Gnome removed desktop folders/icons on 3.28 :D... Is Ubuntu going to stick with Gnome even after 18.04?
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> Borw3: #ubuntu+1 for bionic questions please
[18:54] <akik> sveinse: if you run xrandr, it'll show WAYLAND0 connected or similar
[18:54] <Bashing-om> sveinse: ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' in terminal ,
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: 17.10 has already gnome by default, what you mean you installed gnome?
[18:54] <Borw3> #ubuntu+1?
[18:55] <leftyfb> Borw3: /join #ubuntu+1
[18:55] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I changed lightdm to gdm3 so I could get a pure/stock gnome-shell login, not with ubuntus overlays. (I didn't know until today that there is no more unity)
[18:56] <sveinse> As in I ran sudo update-alternatives --config gdm3.css and selected gnome-shell.css
[18:57] <sveinse> I'm changing it back to ubuntu.css, so I can select on login
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: now you lost me mate, 17.10 has gdm as default and not lightdm
[18:57] <nacc> :wq
[18:57] <nacc> sorry
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you have ubuntu 17.10 without wayland and lightdm?
[18:59] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I see some wayland pkgs installed, but xrandr and the other XDG_SESSION_TYPE does not show wayland. In the login I can select two types "GNOME on Xorg" "Ubuntu on Xorg"
[19:00] <sveinse> This machine was installed yesterday from iso
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: what you should see at login is: ubuntu(wayland) and ubuntu on xorg
[19:03] <brainwash> sveinse: you use the nvidia driver, so no wayland for you probably
[19:03] <sveinse> right, which I have to to get external screens
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1714203
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: see if your affected to this bug
[19:06] <akik> brainwash: wayland doesn't work with nvidia?
[19:07] <sveinse> Correct, I was affected. But I was looking for GNOME login, and didn't find the cog. So I ran update-alternatives --config gdm3.css and selected the gnome-shell.css. Then I got the cog
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> akik: it does, ive tested an nvidia laptop that works like a charm on wayland
[19:07] <brainwash> akik: not with the nvidia driver
[19:08] <brainwash> as in the driver provided by nvidia
[19:08] <akik> brainwash: ah you need to use nouveau?
[19:08] <sveinse> I'm running Lenovo P51 and bought this one because it was listed in "certified for Ubuntu pre-install" :D
[19:08] <brainwash> akik: yes
[19:08] <akik> sveinse: but which version?
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: remember 17.10 is non-lts...if you want more stable choose an LTS version
[19:09] <akik> sveinse: for example, 14.04, 16.04 and 17.10 are all supported but vastly different
[19:09] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: yes. I am eager for 18.04. I chose 17.10 since I'd expect 16.04 to be too old for this new architecture
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: xenial isnt too old..
[19:10] <sveinse> I have another prime-based lenovo running 16.04, and it wasn't a walk in the park there
[19:10] <binaryhermit> I mean, isn't xenial the last LTS released at this point?
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you can also run 16.04.3 with higher mainline kernel if you like
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> binaryhermit: yes
[19:11] <akik> https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201702-25426/ (ubuntu 16.04)
[19:11] <binaryhermit> that said 18.04 is going to be LTS
[19:11] <binaryhermit> can't remember the name but it's b-adjective b-animal
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> !bionic | binaryhermit
[19:12] <sveinse> reinstalling to 16.04.3
[19:13] <akik> sveinse: 16.04 only has xorg, and that gnome page said only wayland would have per-monitor dpi with gnome
[19:14] <sveinse> so I can't expect it to be any better with 16.04, then?
[19:15]  * SysGhost thinks "Bionic Bear" would have been a better choice.
[19:15] <adithya> hey, i am back. i went through the site that tells about the update. but then i still cant run the command..
[19:15] <adithya> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ Zesty Zapus main restricted universe multiverse
[19:15] <adithya> No command 'deb' found, did you mean:
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'derb' from package 'icu-devtools' (main)
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'dex' from package 'dex' (universe)
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'deb3' from package 'quilt' (universe)
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'xdeb' from package 'xdeb' (universe)
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'dab' from package 'bsdgames' (universe)
[19:15] <nacc> adithya: that's not a command
[19:15] <nacc> !paste | adithya
[19:16] <nacc> adithya: that's a line you add / modify in your sources.list
[19:18] <sveinse> Why do I feel like I'm no closer to any solution to the display issues?
[19:19] <aoluser> hi thre
[19:19] <aoluser> a quick question about another distro
[19:19] <nacc> aoluser: so ... offtopic for this channel?
[19:20] <aoluser> any knows why still manjaro doesnt have uefi signatures?
[19:20] <sveinse> 17.10 isn't supported as 16.04 is, and 17.10 has problems running wayland with nvidia, but 16.04 doesn't support wayland. Wayland is needed to have per-display DPI settings. About right?
[19:20] <nacc> aoluser: you should ask manjaro
[19:21] <akik> sveinse: brainwash said that you need to use nouveau module and not nvidia module
[19:21] <blackflow> sveinse: technically, nvidia has problems running wayland on <anydistro>
[19:22] <sveinse> akik: does noveeau function with prime? I.e. can I expect external screens to work?
[19:23] <akik> sveinse: wasn't prime to be used with the nvidia module?
[19:24] <BluesKaj> nouveau is the only driver that works with nvidia on wayland atm
[19:26] <sveinse> akik: I understand it that prime is the scheme used on laptops to get external screens. the internal panel is hardwired to intel GPU, while the external to nvidia
[19:26] <akik> sveinse: it's used to be able to switch between intel<->nvidia gfx card
[19:27] <sveinse> You can change this in bios, but if you run nvidia for everything since intel cannot run external screens, your battery capacity goes down the drain
[19:27] <sveinse> so thus the optimus / prime technology
[19:27] <BluesKaj> optimus and wayland , don't think that's gonna work
[19:27] <akik> sveinse: how do you figure intel can't run external screen?
[19:28] <sveinse> akik: because these laptops are hardwired this way
[19:28] <sveinse> If you disable the nvidia chip in bios, you cannot have any external screens
[19:29] <akik> wow ok
[19:29] <sveinse> *that* is the nvidia prime technology afaik
[19:29] <sveinse> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[19:30] <sveinse> ok, I stand corrected, prime is apparently not a nvidia exclusive thing I see. AMD has something similar
[19:33] <koolkalang> Hi all, am currently on 17.04 which apparently EOL'd couple days ago, should I move to 17.10 or is some pre-release 18.04 available somewhere?
[19:33] <nacc> koolkalang: both are true, yes
[19:33] <nacc> koolkalang: both are available, i mean
[19:33] <nacc> koolkalang: what you do is up to your comfort level
[19:34] <sveinse> Perhaps I should endeavour 18.04 on this laptop to see if any of these things work better there?
[19:35] <akik> sveinse: did you try 17.10 with wayland, removing the nvidia module and using nouveau?
[19:35] <sveinse> akik: I will now
[19:36] <koolkalang> nacc: I'd rather the 18 pre-release, but I don't know what will change in the interim til April
[19:37] <beanbag-> this is embarassing considering I used linux since 97 or so but
[19:37] <beanbag-> where do you download manually the files from apt update if you broke a system and need to reinstall the kernal manually
[19:37] <sveinse> btw, why the requirement to disable secure boot it propertary drivers are installed?
[19:39] <akik> sveinse: secure boot should be ok if you only use ubuntu packaged packages
[19:40] <sveinse> akik: No, the 17.10 installer insisted that as long as I wanted the 3rd party drivers and packages, I needed to disable secure boot.
[19:41] <akik> sveinse: that's what i meant, if you use only ubuntu packaged packages, it should be ok
[19:41] <sveinse> akik: right, so it's a policy thing. Created loads of problems with my win10 installation, as IT has enforced bitlocker encrypton on it
[19:42] <sveinse> Had to recover it and re-enter the bitlocker keys
[19:42] <akik> sveinse: for example if you use 3rd party kernel modules, it's easier just to turn it off
[19:43] <nacc> koolkalang: ok, i believe you'll need to upgrade to 17.10 then upgrade to 18.04
[19:44] <sveinse> I probably need to uninstall nvidia to make it effective. I selected "Using X.Org X server - Noveau" in Software & updates / Additional drivers, but I see from xorg.0.log that it has picked nvidia still. And gdm didn't present a wayland selection
[19:46] <koolkalang> nacc: I'll probably upgrade for 17.10, then for the lts in april I'll do a full wipe
[19:48] <koolkalang> Also I've been reading a lot about wayland - X will still come with ubuntu/xubuntu correct, so I can run i3 if need be?
[19:48] <ajaxjones> Is anyone here familiar with running the google authenticator on 16.04?
[19:48] <sveinse> strange nvidia-settings claim nvidia is not running the X, and the nvidia driver is uninstalled. Yet still Xorg.0.log lists nvidia all over the place. How can I run it with noveau?
[19:48] <koolkalang> s/need be/I want/
[19:50] <akik> sveinse: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" does that still list nvidia packages?
[19:52] <sveinse> akik: nvidia-384 and nvidia-opencl-icd-384 are rc, while nvidia-prime and nvidia-settings are installed. Should I purge the former?
[19:53] <akik> sveinse: if you run "lsmod | grep nvidia" it should list it if the module is still installed/loaded
[19:53] <sveinse> it isnt
[19:54] <akik> sveinse: ok maybe you have the previous log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the current
[19:55] <akik> sveinse: "sudo lshw -c video" should show driver=nouveau then
[19:55] <sveinse> akik: yes it does
[19:57] <sveinse> akik: but I still have no option to select wayland
[19:57] <akik> sveinse: sorry i can't help with that
[19:58] <sveinse> akik: ok, but thanks a lot!
[19:58] <sveinse> I can't help being really confused as I'm running a very fresh image
[19:58] <akik> sveinse: i'm using 16.04 kubuntu because it works for me(tm)
[19:59] <ioria> sveinse, what items do you have in the login screen ? if you select 'Ubuntu' that is wayland
[20:00] <sveinse> ioria: It reads "Ubuntu on Xorg" and "GNOME on Xorg" so I doubt its wayland :D
[20:00] <ioria> sveinse, right... can you paste /etc/gdm3/custom.conf ?
[20:01] <sveinse> Winging a potential explaination: WHen I installed 17.10 I selected yes to 3rd party drivers. Perhaps that altered the default set of packages and hence, I don't have all I need for wayland?
[20:01] <sveinse> ioria: sure, hang on
[20:01] <ioria> yes
[20:02] <sveinse> so that was my mistake then?
[20:02] <ioria> nope
[20:04] <sveinse> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/de1a4acc7cd3
[20:04] <ioria> sveinse, ok, so you want to use wayland ?
[20:05] <markychaz> whats up
[20:05] <tfitts> I'm looking for a program or command that can watch a directory for changes to files of specific extensions and when a change is detected it runs a command.  Anyone doing something like this?
[20:05] <sveinse> ioria: I dont know if you've been tracking my discussion here today, but I'm running a Lenovo P51 and I want to use external screens and get the DPI setting right. I was suggested that wayland was worth trying
[20:06] <markychaz> whats that ubuntu linux version of doom called?
[20:06] <ioria> sveinse, sudo apt purge nvidia*   (note the *)   and reboot
[20:06] <ioria> sveinse, and sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:07] <ioria> sveinse, before rebooting
[20:07] <markychaz> can i set it so i can keep a permenet username on this
[20:07] <nsh> what compression is used by the kernel when a file is given the 'c' attribute under e.g. ext4?
[20:07] <vanny> ok, I just did a new clean install of 17.10 server, which is the best "desktop" to download? Gnome seemed to kill my wifi card
[20:07] <nsh> LZMA?
[20:07] <ioria> tfitts, inotify ?
[20:07] <tfitts> ok, I'll look into it. thanks.
[20:08] <ioria> tfitts, inotifywait -m -r -e  modify,attrib,close_write,move,create,delete /mydir
[20:08] <koolkalang> Will upgrading to 17.10 also update my linux kernel?
[20:08] <koolkalang> dling it rn
[20:08] <markychaz> anyone got any info
[20:09] <sveinse> ioria: done. still no wayland option
[20:13] <ioria> sveinse, you know how to set a kernel parameter ?
[20:14] <sveinse> ioria: like to grubs handover to kernel, yes
[20:15] <ioria> sveinse, ok, so after 'quiet splash  ' add nouveau.modeset=0
[20:17] <sveinse> ioria: is the order of essence? I added it to /etc/default/grub, and I see in /boot/grub/grub.cfg that is appears right before quiet splash
[20:17] <sveinse> otherwise I'll just edit the grub config directly for this once
[20:18] <ioria> sveinse, i was talking about the grub screen at startup, not /etc/default/grub  but basically it's the same ...
[20:18] <ioria> sveinse, better
[20:18] <sveinse> ioria: heh, setting it *in* grub didn't cross my mind :P
[20:18] <ioria> ok
[20:19] <ioria> sveinse, if it works, you can set it permanently in /e/d/grub
[20:21] <beanbag-> I got it resolved but thx
[20:25] <sveinse> ioria: there it worked
[20:25] <sveinse> now for testing external display
[20:25] <ioria> sveinse, ok, so you're hit by the bug
[20:25] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1724583 sveinse
[20:26] <sveinse> ioria: done, marked as affected by me
[20:27] <ioria> sveinse, please, paste lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[20:29] <duckx0r> Anyone else been having this problem the past couple of days when trying to update? "The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release' does no longer have a Release file."
[20:29] <leftyfb> !zesty | duckx0r
[20:29] <leftyfb> !eol | duckx0r
[20:29] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | duckx0r have a look here on upgrading
[20:30] <sveinse> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/77e0d7b35347
[20:30] <duckx0r> Thanks guys.
[20:31] <ioria> sveinse, you can't give up that nvidia card (in my opinion) ... let's use Xorg, sorry
[20:31] <koolkalang> oh god I'm getting close to restarting the computer for  17.10 wish me luck
[20:31] <sveinse> ioria: This is the Lenovo P51, btw (which is a Ubuntu certified laptop).
[20:31] <Baltazar> yum... then apt.... then aptitude... now composer. What kind of monster is Linux?! :P
[20:32] <koolkalang> the upgrade from 17.04 messed up my laptop kb and couldn't get usb to work :P
[20:32] <ioria> sveinse, idk about certified, but maybe you need full functional that Quadro ... idk
[20:32] <sveinse> ioria: No I can't. These laptops have the external screens hardwired to the nvidia chio I believe.
[20:33] <sveinse> But if nouveau would fit the bill, I dont know
[20:34] <ioria> sveinse, is this configuration fitting your needs ?
[20:34] <sveinse> Not your fault, but I had hoped that since this is kinda endorsed by Ubuntu, that it would would work, well, better
[20:34] <motaka2> ioria: Hello. Have you ever seen such an message? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/73c9d9edd5673d881a65277fdbd2f56f
[20:34] <sveinse> ioria: No, I need the external screen(s) to work in a sane way.
[20:35] <ioria> motaka2, maybe there is more than that in the error output ...
[20:36] <ioria> sveinse, and the external it's not working  ?
[20:37] <sveinse> ioria: No, nothing is listed in gnome display settings.
[20:38] <ioria> sveinse, so the external is blank ?
[20:40] <sveinse> ioria: yeah, no signal. It used to work with xorg+nvidia, but then I had a DPI issue, forcing 2x scaling on both the internal HiDPI screen and the external screen. gnome display setting doesn't allow me to press "Apply" to have different scaling between the two.
[20:41] <ioria> sveinse, any reason why you're using 17.10 ?
[20:41] <sveinse> I must then either select between microscopic fonts on the hidpi or moon-sized fonts on the external
[20:41] <sveinse> ioria: no, not really. I had some similar problems on another laptop on 16.04 so I decided I wanted to give 17.10 a try
[20:42] <sveinse> I really four months too early... :P
[20:42] <ioria> sveinse, so wayland it's not helping in that...
[20:43] <sveinse> ioria: wayland+nouveu isn't able to detect external screens, so no. it worse
[20:43] <motaka2> ioria: how can I give you more information ?
[20:44] <ioria> sveinse,  paste /etc/default/grub
[20:47] <Checkmate> anyone use emeditor?
[20:47] <sveinse> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/fdd050305829
[20:47] <qswz> what's the best way to remap a key like a useless ² (top-left of keyboad) to ` ?
[20:49] <qswz> xev tells me that key is: twosuperior
[20:50] <ioria> sveinse,  looks like anothe bug ..
[20:50] <sveinse> ioria: what is?
[20:51] <ioria> sveinse,  can you paste   /lib/systemd/system/gdm3.service ?
[20:52] <sveinse> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/74d301db36c6
[20:54] <qswz> I've read xmodmap is too old now?
[20:54] <ioria> sveinse,  do you see this line [Service] ExecStartPre=/usr/share/gdm/generate-config ? replace with    ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/xinit /usr/share/gdm/generate-config
[20:58] <sveinse> ioria: to take this to the very start: xorg+nvidia was working with three screens (interal+2 external). Resolution is fine. But not quite: gdm3 came up with picture on all screens and their placement ok. Once gnome-shell starts, wierd things happen with the displays
[20:59] <sveinse> ioria: done. didn't do anything
[20:59] <ioria> sveinse, revert it then
[21:00] <ioria> sveinse, no otherr options, sy; just reinstall nvidia and log in the Xorg session
[21:03] <ioria> sveinse, yes, maybe an option might be use unity-session, but it's a wild guess
[21:05] <salty> Is this a channel to ask Ubuntu support questions?
[21:06] <leftyfb> salty: yes, hence the name and topic
[21:06] <salty> OK. I'm using Ubuntu Mate 17.04. I've been trying to install stuff with both synaptic and the software boutique and I'm getting server access errors
[21:06] <leftyfb> !zesty | salty
[21:07] <leftyfb> !eolupgrades | salty
[21:07] <salty> Oh, well that explains things
[21:07] <salty> Anyone have a quick link with directions on how to upgrade?
[21:08] <sveinse> ioria: to the original issue, this is what happens when I log in to gnome-shell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwif7wEQIPU . Notice gdm3 in the beginning is fine. Then gnome decides to to haywire with some display config on its own
[21:08] <leftyfb> salty: I just gave you one
[21:08] <salty> Oh, sorry, yes I see it now. Sorry
[21:09] <salty> Thank you. Cheers everyone!
[21:10] <sveinse> ioria: since gdm3 manages to set right display config on its own, my hypothesis is that this is not a X issue, its a gnome issue
[21:16] <qswz> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/xkb/*
[21:16] <qswz> I'm scared to run that
[21:16] <qswz> what could go wrong?
[21:17] <qswz> http://www.fascinatingcaptain.com/blog/remap-keyboard-keys-for-ubuntu/#comment-490
[21:17] <donofrio> https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Graphics-Multiple-2048x1152-1920x1080/ I have four of these and they seem to take up too much cpu....
[21:17] <donofrio> anyone know how to get these usb video runnin with less cpu hit?
[21:18] <DJAnonimo> hello
[21:18] <qswz> Are Dell's ubuntus a good deal?
[21:18] <DJAnonimo> My Ubuntu is not connecting on WLAN if there is no LAN plugged in
[21:18] <sveinse> qswz: same as  :/$ ls -al /var/lib/xkb/*   and then oh, ok it should be deleted and then run  :/$ sudo rm -rf *   (DONT DO IT)
[21:18] <DJAnonimo> im connecting with SSH
[21:19] <qswz> so it's safe or not?
[21:19] <qswz> my understanding is linux will recompile if they are missing
[21:19] <sveinse> qswz: I don't know
[21:19] <qswz> ok
[21:19] <sveinse> sorry
[21:20] <Romalio> Hello!
[21:20] <Romalio> not sure if this is the right channel to ask...
[21:20] <Romalio> there is a command line based calculator named "bc"
[21:20] <pavlos> donofrio: page gives a 404
[21:20] <Romalio> sometimes it displays commas, and sometimes it doesn't
[21:20] <Romalio> example:
[21:20] <DJAnonimo> https://pastebin.com/R1gTAqd2  ---> here is /etc/network/interfaces
[21:20] <Romalio> 15/200
[21:20] <Romalio> 0
[21:21] <DJAnonimo> anyone can help?
[21:21] <leftyfb> qswz: mkdir ~/Desktop/xkb && sudo mv /var/lib/xkb/* ~/Desktop/xkb # this will make a backup
[21:21] <qswz> ah good point, thanks
[21:23] <qswz> (if keyboard gets broken I won't be even able to put the backup :s)
[21:23] <donalsd> Hello, guys. I have a Ubuntu dedicated server running on xeon that I have ssh access to over the internal network in my uni.
[21:24] <donalsd> The datacenter people are the ones who takes care of all the wiring and stuff. The server is connected to two ethernets (eno1- the connection to the internal uni network)
[21:25] <donalsd> Eno2(for public internet access)
[21:25] <pavlos> Romalio: type bc then scale=6 then 15/200
[21:25] <leftyfb> donalsd: 1 line for your question/issue would be best
[21:26] <Romalio> pavlos, thank you pavlos!  Is there any option to change this to be the default behavior?
[21:26] <donalsd> Since I have ssh access to the server, do I need to set up the internet connection somehow? Or will they do it from their side?
[21:26] <pavlos> Romalio: create a .bc in your home dir and add the scale line in there
[21:27] <leftyfb> donalsd: that's a question for the IT team at your uni
[21:27] <donalsd> As a general question, will I be able to set the internet up from my end?
[21:27] <Romalio> pavlos, how comes that you know this very exact problem / its solution by heart?
[21:28] <Romalio> pavlos, that's a miracle to me that I come here and get the right answer just within a minute
[21:28] <donalsd> Leftyfb: given that I have admin access to the server, and I can see that I'm connected via eno1 and there is an eno2 which is for the public network.
[21:28] <Romalio> thank you!!!
[21:28] <Romalio> pavlos, thank you very much!
[21:29] <leftyfb> donalsd: that has nothing to do with how internet traffic is routed out through the network. That is the IT dept.'s responsibility. You should contact them. Maybe test connectivity for yourself first though.
[21:30] <Romalio> pavlos, scale=6  worked when typed directly in bc.   However,  creating  a  .bc  file in ~  containing  scale=6 does not effect its behavior
[21:30] <akik> Romalio: i always start bc with -l so it knows the decimals
[21:31] <pavlos> Romalio: you might have to export BC_ENV_ARGS='/home/yourid/.bc'
[21:31] <donalsd> Leftyfb: so the best is to ask them to get the internet running on the server?
[21:31] <leftyfb> donalsd: correct. In particular, ip address/network information/credentials
[21:31] <Romalio> pavlos, after every system start?  or is this a 1-time-export?
[21:31] <Romalio> akik, also interesting, I will look it up in the man page - thank you
[21:31] <pavlos> Romalio: you can add it to your .bashrc
[21:32] <Romalio> pavlos, also exporting the variable did not help
[21:32] <Romalio> but -l helped
[21:33] <donalsd> Leftyfb: I have logged in through ssh, so I've covered that bit. I just can't run an apt-get update.
[21:33] <pavlos> Romalio: did you replace yourid with your actual id
[21:33] <leftyfb> donalsd: you have not covered that bit. You need a route out to the internet. Not in. Contact your IT depeartment.
[21:34] <donalsd> Ah, yes. Got it.
[21:37] <Romalio> pavlos, yes I did :)
[21:37] <Romalio> pavlos, -l works just fine, I will stick with that :)
[21:37] <Romalio> thank you pavlos and akik
[21:38] <pavlos> Romalio: I just added to my .bashrc that line, created a new term and bc works
[21:40] <Romalio> pavlos, I found the problem
[21:40] <Romalio> I have to write "export" in front of it
[21:40] <Romalio> not BC_ENV_ARGS='/home/yourid/.bc'   but   export BC_ENV_ARGS='/home/yourid/.bc'
[21:40] <Romalio> thank you :))
[21:41] <pavlos> Romalio: np
[21:42] <Romalio> just my not-important-opinion:  This should be default
[21:43] <Romalio> the question should be: what does the average or in this case even the majority of users expect as behavior?
[21:47] <pavlos> Romalio: "man bc" has a lengthy man page where you can read about the -l (mathlib) and other options
[21:49] <sveinse> What device do I set for boot loader installation when I want none? :(
[21:49] <leftyfb> sveinse: how will you boot?
[21:50] <pavlos> sveinse: no boot ???
[21:50] <sveinse> leftyfb: with the other partition's grub (which is newer)
[21:50] <sveinse> update-grub is able to find other Linux installations and add them to the grub menu, so the "other" installations dont need to install grub
[21:51] <donofrio> pavlos, mybad clipped some off the end of url - https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Graphics-Multiple-2048x1152-1920x1080/dp/B00A2E1MQA/
[21:51] <sveinse> but apparently the installer doesnt allow me to deselect it
[21:52] <sveinse> I suppose I have to overwrite the newer grub with and older one, and then rewrite the grub with the newer when done
[21:53] <sveinse> I want grub in both, but not the MBR writing
[21:54] <Ben64> put it on the partition...
[21:55] <sveinse> Ben64: of course. thanks
[21:59] <pavlos> donofrio: if you plug one of those, does lsusb give you a video controller info?
[22:02] <pavlos> donofrio: in the amazon page, under Incompatible Systems Mac OS X, Linux/Unix not supported
[22:08] <Gast_Linux> Hi, is there a german (speaking) chat (i.e. ubuntu_de)
[22:09] <Gast_Linux> Bye
[22:11] <rond_>  Hi! After installing matplotlib in virtualenv, i cannot use pip3 and basically everthing brakes. Traceback comes from this:   File "/home/tensorflow/bin/pip3", line 6, in <module>     from pkg_resources import load_entry_point  to this:   File "/home/tensorflow/lib/python3.5/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2066, in _rebuild_mod_path     orig_path.sort(key=position_in_sys_path) AttributeError: '_NamespacePath' object ha
[22:11] <rond_> Does anybody know how to handle it?
[22:20] <reddice> salam
[22:23] <nacc> rond_: that seems more like a python question than an ubuntu one (you're not using the ubuntu pip3)
[22:24] <mwynne> Hi guys. Is this the right place to seek help with a Kernel panic I'm getting in Ubuntu Server 16.04?
[22:24] <nacc> mwynne: here or #ubuntu-server maybe
[22:24] <nacc> mwynne: which kernel?
[22:24] <nacc> mwynne: and, doing what?
[22:24] <mwynne> nacc: 4.4.0-109-generic
[22:24] <mateusz_> what is your problem
[22:25] <nacc> mwynne: do you have a log of the panic?
[22:25] <mwynne> nacc: http://paste.openstack.org/show/646958/
[22:26] <mwynne> That's one of many that I'm seeing
[22:26] <nacc> mwynne: that says 4.4.0-98
[22:26] <mwynne> nacc: Let me double check this..
[22:26] <reddice> hey guys
[22:27] <mwynne> nacc: Whoops. I pasted a version from the incorrect VM in here.
[22:28] <nacc> mwynne: np, it might still be relevant, but it's easiest to be sure it's happening the same with the latest kernel
[22:29] <mwynne> nacc: I'm running openstack on these VMs which afaik has some requirements on the kernel version.
[22:29] <vivid> is there a way to prevent windows from stealing focus from other windows in gnome-shell?
[22:29] <mwynne> Can I update to a later version that will have linux-image-extra packages?
[22:29] <nacc> mwynne: you may have better direct help in #ubuntu-server, only because the openstack folks for ubuntu are generally there
[22:30] <nacc> mwynne: i believe all published kernels have the -extra packages
[22:30] <mwynne> nacc: Sounds good. I'll hop on over there
[22:32] <dman777> hello, I did a successfull apt-get update and then tried to install vim-gtk but it sill complains with a 404 and Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update
[22:32] <nacc> dman777: what version of ubuntu?
[22:33] <dman777> nacc: lsb_release won't say...missing modules
[22:33] <dman777> uname shows  #46-Ubuntu
[22:33] <nacc> dman777: `lsb_release -a`
[22:33] <dman777> 17.04
[22:34] <nacc> dman777: it's EOL
[22:34] <nacc> !zesty | dman777
[22:34] <dman777> ah...ok. thanks
[22:34] <dman777> !eolupgrade
[22:35] <allizom> the factoid has a mistake in it
[22:35] <allizom> 2018 not 2017
[22:36] <nacc> allizom: heh
[22:39] <nacc> !zesty is Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and !eolupgrade.
[22:39] <nacc> allizom: --^ hopefully that gets acked soonish
[22:40] <nacc> allizom: good catch!
[22:41] <allizom> ok!
[22:44] <dman777> what about apt-get dist-upgrade and I get a 404?
[22:46] <dax> !zesty =~ s/2017/2018/
[22:50] <Shadow}}> I need help please. But not thinkin it'll be as simple as I hoped after searching for solutions myself... Not that I know much of anything, Very basic user. However
[22:51] <arturo_> Soy nuevo en linux
[22:51] <arturo_> se puede usar itunes en ubuntu
[22:52] <sveinse> !english | arturo_
[22:52] <Shadow}}> Just installed Ubuntu 17.10 and have both a sound and video problem. It's not picking up my speakers unless jacked into the front headphone jack and it reads them as headphones. But I've sound so i'm really only here to try to change my screen resolution, but my display is unknown...
[22:53] <nacc> dax: i didn't know that syntax, thanks!
[22:53] <nacc> dman777: ... it's eol, like i said
[22:54] <arturo_> Hi, I'm new to Linux. You can use iTunes on Ubuntu.
[22:54] <allizom> arturo_: short answer no. what do you need it for?
[22:54] <Shadow}}> This desktop uses Nvidia stuff, The RAM cards, The Grapgics card(Maybe sound also?) and it has a nvidia designed/based processor... I merely wanted to change the resolution to my monitor's optimal of 1680x1050 @60hzs via terminal.
[22:55] <arturo_> I have an apple tv
[22:55] <MattMan_1> Hi, just installed ubunty-17.04 zesty server iso and apt-get update is failing to refresh all the repos data, getting 404 not found errors for all zesty dists, I know support is ending in January 2018, have the dist locations been removed already ?
[22:55] <Shadow}}> However, xrandr says it cannot open Display
[22:55] <dman777> nacc: so that means install from scratch?
[22:55] <arturo_> allizom: I have an apple tv
[22:55] <nacc> !eolupgrade | dman777
[22:56] <nacc> dman777: i believe you already read that faq; perhaps read it again
[22:56] <allizom> arturo_: ..and?
[22:57] <Shadow}}> Anyone? ... I've been working on getting my computer going again since I woke up...
[22:57] <dman777> nacc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades said I had a choice of upgrade or from scratch. It also said to to do apt-get dist-upgrade which I can't do because of EOL
[22:57] <nacc> dman777: did you update your sources.list first?
[22:58] <arturo_> allizom: I have an apple tv and I want to see if it's compatible
[22:58] <allizom> compatible as in what do you need to do?
[22:58] <Shadow}}> I simply need to know what must be done to get xrandr to be able to open the display, as it says it cannot. OR someone tell me an easier way to just change the dang resolution... It's maddening.
[22:58] <MattMan> ubottu: thanks for the url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases, I see zesty EOL'd on Jan 13th... sigh... I can't upgraed to 17.10 as Openstack's devstack is not supported yet on 17.10
[22:59] <dman777> nacc: mine has the codename of my release...zesty
[22:59] <dman777> with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal.
[22:59] <Shadow}}> Well can someone tell me what I should be asking or finding out, or how to format my question of help then at least...
[23:00] <nacc> dman777: perhaps the wiki page could be clearer, but you need to change archive URL to old-releases
[23:00] <nacc> dman777: again, read the page :)
[23:00] <dman777> kk, thanks
[23:01] <Shadow}}> Really. No one can solve this easily?
[23:02] <Shadow}}> I do not understand why it shows as an Unknown Display ...
[23:03] <Shadow}}> So... Please, Anyone~ Sigh. I'm not smart nor stupid, I'm quick enough to not be a hassle helping... It's just this issue isn't like anything I've had to fix...
[23:05] <Shadow}}> Am I muted and don't realize it or just being ignored? e_o
[23:05] <allizom> Shadow}}: !patience
[23:05] <Shadow}}> Thank you.
[23:05] <allizom> what's the command you've tried?
[23:05] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: If nobody knows the answer to your question, then nobody will respond. Also, I just came in and was starting to respond to you before I stopped to write this message instead :)
[23:06] <Shadow}}> xrandr
[23:06] <Shadow}}> Heh yeah sorry, Anxiety attacks.
[23:06] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: Are you running xrandr from a gnome-terminal window within your graphical environment or are you trying to run it from a text only tty?
[23:07] <Shadow}}> ...Yeah see. I figured that...but..idk how to do run it outside graphics...
[23:08] <Shadow}}> But that'd explain the "Can't Open Display :0"
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: No, running it from a tty wouldn't work (without some preparation). I asked because I thought that might be what you had tried.
[23:08] <Shadow}}> Oh no. The built in term is all I ever use...
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: My guess is that the problem is you're running under a Wayland session, so there is no Xorg for xrandr to talk to.
[23:09] <Shadow}}> I just installed this version of Ubuntu when I got up earlier. A Wayland session? I saw that word earlier...idr where...
[23:11] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: You probably don't need to worry about Wayland for the moment (if you're curious I can explain more about it). Most likely you want to install the proprietary Nvidia drivers which will probably fix your resolution problem.
[23:11] <Shadow}}> Yes.
[23:11] <Jordan_U> (And may fix you audio problem if you're trying to do audio over hdmi)
[23:11] <Shadow}}> I tried in settings but... Yeah. Takes actual know how, then I forgot bout that while learning bout xrandr
[23:12] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: Open Software Sources, then go to the "Additional Drivers" tab. (I may have both of those names slightly off, I'm not sitting in front of an Ubuntu machine at the moment).
[23:13] <Shadow}}> Done.
[23:13] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: Does it offer any Nvidia drivers to install?
[23:15] <Shadow}}> Wait so when it pulls these up, and the nvidia one was set to the second choice it had, not the proprietary... Ugh forgot what i was asking *goes back to reading it*
[23:17] <Shadow}}> ...How was I that ignorant... It was the second thing I did, Yet read it and ignored it telling me I was using the open source driver and was considered an alternate driver to my nvidia force g card...
[23:18] <Shadow}}> Thank you so much Jordan_U ! I at least learned alot today, And recalled even more~ I'll be back to tell ya it worked, I'm assuming with some updates and changes after this reboot it'll be great.
[23:42]  * Rueck 
[23:54] <LiftLeft> My wifi keeps disconnecting. I'm was using an external wifi adapter, but that broke. So I have to use the internal adapter now. I was having trouble with it with it a year ago but I was to lazy to fix it. I dunno, where to start.
[23:55] <roses> are file transfers slower due to meltdown/spectre fix?
[23:58] <LiftLeft> roses: I don't think so. cpu doesn't really effect file transfer speeds meltdown only really slows down your computer by like 5%