| prince-charmant | I have another question: I think that I found the correct driver for my graphical card(Intel) - Must I try to install it or not ? | 00:11 |
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| prince-charmant | I have seen that's not easy to roll-back | 00:13 |
| wxl | you mean a non-free driver? i wouldn't suggest it in general | 00:14 |
| prince-charmant | I have seen also on the Intel-Support website: "Most Linux-based* distributions include Intel® Graphics Drivers." | 00:16 |
| wxl | they do | 00:16 |
| prince-charmant | So there is no need to install the drover found on the intel-support website ? (evenwhile lubuntu says that the driver he use is "not-known" | 00:17 |
| teward | prince-charmant: mind being more specific on what INtel graphics card you have? | 00:27 |
| teward | most should be covered by the driver that is already shipped with Ubuntu as part of the kernel and updates | 00:27 |
| teward | there may be a couple *newer* ones not in all the driver versios. | 00:28 |
| teward | (but that's atypical) | 00:28 |
| prince-charmant | teward, I did not remember the one i have - because my linux pc is not up-and-running now - I had downloaded a tar.gz file | 00:30 |
| prince-charmant | Its not a newer, my pc was a windowsXP one | 00:30 |
| wxl | in general, you should not need additional drivers | 00:32 |
| wxl | are you having graphics issues, prince-charmant ? | 00:32 |
| prince-charmant | wxl no my screen looks normal | 00:32 |
| prince-charmant | The last problem I have is: how can I install my two HP all-in-one HP printers ? | 00:35 |
| wxl | cups should take care of it | 00:43 |
| wxl | !cups | 00:43 |
| ubottu | Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu | 00:43 |
| prince-charmant | I have found HPLIB on the HP-support website https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing that should permit to install my printers | 00:46 |
| prince-charmant | HPLIP | 00:47 |
| prince-charmant | thanks for all - I should go to sleep now ... | 00:50 |
| James26 | Hello, is there anybody here? | 07:49 |
| tsimonq2 | No :) | 07:50 |
| James26 | >_< I have a question about openbox & pcmanfm | 07:52 |
| tsimonq2 | Shoot :) | 07:53 |
| James26 | My HTPC connected to TV and don't have mouse, only keyboard with 'arrows', 'enter' and 'escape' keys. When I opened new pcmanfm window I can move between selected files in current folder with 'arrow' keys and open files with 'enter' button. But when I closed all windows, desktop don't get focus and I can't select any icon on it. | 08:03 |
| James26 | How to get focus on desktop without mouse click on it? | 08:07 |
| tsimonq2 | Hm, good question James26, it might be better for #lxde unless someone here knows :) | 08:15 |
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| zap0 | when can we expect Wine3.0 to be available via the package manager thingy? | 11:41 |
| leszek | zap0: I don't think it will be backported for existing releases | 11:44 |
| leszek | Even bionic still has the old 2.0.3 version | 11:45 |
| leszek | so I guess you need to use a ppa or compile it yourself if there is no snap or appimage of it available | 11:45 |
| zap0 | i tried added the apt thingy as per the wine web page, and then the package maanger said its v3.0-rc6 | 11:53 |
| leszek | nice | 11:59 |
| Thedarkb | My fresh install is hanging at /dev/sda1 clean | 21:08 |
| Thedarkb | Reinstall? | 21:08 |
| wxl | did you check the hashes of the iso? | 21:09 |
| Thedarkb | I've used this ISO before. | 21:09 |
| wxl | one bit can make a difference | 21:09 |
| Thedarkb | it mightn't have installed properly. | 21:09 |
| wxl | if you did one thing different this time, that problem might have made itself apparent | 21:09 |
| wxl | (or if one thing is different about the hardware) | 21:10 |
| wxl | so the question is still valid | 21:10 |
| Thedarkb | I'll just rewrite the ISO and hope for the best. | 21:10 |
| wxl | you should check the hashes | 21:10 |
| Thedarkb | Is there any way to fix this little issue without reinstalling? | 21:10 |
| wxl | then upon boot, check for defects | 21:10 |
| wxl | well that's the problem: we don't know the issue | 21:10 |
| wxl | it could be any number of things, including, at worst case, some problem with the hardware itself | 21:10 |
| wxl | the more we eliminate variables the more likely the problem is to reveal itself | 21:11 |
| Thedarkb | I can switch TTYs. | 21:11 |
| Thedarkb | So it's not 'hung' | 21:11 |
| Thedarkb | I plugged in a flash drive and it responded. | 21:12 |
| Kamilion | check the xorg log | 21:13 |
| Kamilion | or systemctl status lightdm sddm | 21:13 |
| wxl | yeah i mean you can dig through the logs for sure | 21:14 |
| Thedarkb | My ISO is no longer listed on the md5sum page. | 21:14 |
| wxl | but i've found 9/10 installation issues are either download errors or copy errors | 21:14 |
| wxl | which specific iso you have? | 21:14 |
| Thedarkb | alternate 17.10 i386 | 21:15 |
| Thedarkb | the md5sums are for 17.10.1 | 21:15 |
| wxl | you sure you don't have 17.10.1? | 21:15 |
| wxl | yeah i'm not sure i'd recommend 17.10 | 21:15 |
| Thedarkb | Yeah. | 21:15 |
| Thedarkb | None of my computers are affected though, despite all of my Lenovo gear. | 21:16 |
| wxl | you're lucky | 21:17 |
| wxl | i had an affected hp | 21:17 |
| wxl | the problem is not specific to lenovo | 21:17 |
| Thedarkb | I have an IBM ThinkPad X40, a Lenovo ThinkPad X200 and a Lenovo ThinkCentre M90 | 21:17 |
| wxl | yikes yeah i don't know that i'd mess with all that :( | 21:18 |
| Thedarkb | The IBM was made in the Lenovo factory. | 21:18 |
| Thedarkb | Should I use the Desktop or Alternate image? | 21:18 |
| Thedarkb | I'm installing it on he IBM. | 21:20 |
| Thedarkb | My X200 and M90 already have Lubuntu on them :) | 21:20 |
| wxl | either/or | 21:21 |
| wxl | so i have an iso laying around | 21:21 |
| Thedarkb | I only have 256mb RAM. | 21:21 |
| wxl | which i zsyncd' so i'm confident the hashes check out | 21:21 |
| wxl | then alternate | 21:22 |
| wxl | 30473ad2712991e3136401a9ef93f8405325b85957c73a23784ea9aaa44d4974 artful-alternate-i386.iso | 21:22 |
| Thedarkb | The Debian ruined a dual boot on me. | 21:22 |
| Thedarkb | debian installer* | 21:22 |
| wxl | that's sha256 | 21:22 |
| wxl | wellllllllllll i'm not sure that's the fault of d-i :) | 21:22 |
| Thedarkb | It broke my bootloader! | 21:23 |
| wxl | i'm just saying it ultimately uses the same partition tool the desktop installer does | 21:23 |
| Thedarkb | So, you're saying the desktop installer would've done the same thing? | 21:24 |
| wxl | if done in the same fashion, yes | 21:24 |
| Thedarkb | Oh well. | 21:24 |
| Thedarkb | It was only FreeDOS> | 21:25 |
| Thedarkb | Yeah, it's different, I'll download another version. | 21:28 |
| Thedarkb | What caused the BIOS issue anyway? | 21:28 |
| wxl | heh | 21:28 |
| wxl | the fact that our kernel loaded the intel spi module | 21:29 |
| wxl | ultimately | 21:29 |
| wxl | that module wasn't really ready for prime-time | 21:29 |
| Thedarkb | Ah. | 21:29 |
| wxl | in particular it had an off-by-one error that would cause certain serial flashes to go read only | 21:29 |
| Thedarkb | Ouch. | 21:29 |
| wxl | luckily, for most of them, booting a kernel updated to fix that would restore function | 21:29 |
| wxl | however, you'll notice i said most. | 21:30 |
| wxl | if i understand the whole thing correctly, it's intel engineering's fault for not writing software correctly for their own hardware XD | 21:31 |
| Thedarkb | Shit happens. | 21:32 |
| wxl | that, too. (although that language is probably not the most appropriate for this channel) | 21:33 |
| Thedarkb | Sorry. | 21:33 |
| wxl | all good | 21:33 |
| parhelia | Intel seems to have been having some trouble lately with things... | 21:54 |
| wxl | ah well, that's not entirely their fault. it's not like they're the only ones to blame | 21:56 |
| parhelia | this is true | 21:57 |
| Thedarkb | Well, Meltdown was a bit of a disaster on their part. | 21:58 |
| wxl | they aren't the only ones affected by it | 21:58 |
| wxl | speculative execution was not exclusively theirs | 21:58 |
| Thedarkb | I'm talking about the out of order execution one. | 21:58 |
| Thedarkb | Meltdown. | 21:58 |
| Thedarkb | That's Intel only. | 21:58 |
| wxl | ah yes right | 21:58 |
| Thedarkb | Spectre is the speculative execution thing. | 21:59 |
| Thedarkb | That affects everything since the original Pentium. | 21:59 |
| Thedarkb | Alright, new problem. | 23:46 |
| Thedarkb | The installer is hanging at "Cleaning up...." | 23:47 |
| Thedarkb | It never writes the MBR. | 23:47 |
| Thedarkb | Oh wait, it's working this time. | 23:47 |
| Thedarkb | Maybe. | 23:47 |
| Thedarkb | Nope, disk activity has stopped. | 23:48 |
| Thedarkb | What's the installer doing when it's hanging with no disk activity? | 23:50 |
| Thedarkb | It's booting. | 23:50 |
| Thedarkb | At last. | 23:50 |
| Thedarkb | 110mb idle is a bit much. | 23:51 |
| Thedarkb | I think I'll switch to FVWM | 23:53 |
| Kamilion | O_o | 23:58 |
| Kamilion | oh, 256MB ram. | 23:59 |
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