[00:11] I have another question: I think that I found the correct driver for my graphical card(Intel) - Must I try to install it or not ? [00:13] I have seen that's not easy to roll-back [00:14] you mean a non-free driver? i wouldn't suggest it in general [00:16] I have seen also on the Intel-Support website: "Most Linux-based* distributions include Intel® Graphics Drivers." [00:16] they do [00:17] So there is no need to install the drover found on the intel-support website ? (evenwhile lubuntu says that the driver he use is "not-known" [00:27] prince-charmant: mind being more specific on what INtel graphics card you have? [00:27] most should be covered by the driver that is already shipped with Ubuntu as part of the kernel and updates [00:28] there may be a couple *newer* ones not in all the driver versios. [00:28] (but that's atypical) [00:30] teward, I did not remember the one i have - because my linux pc is not up-and-running now - I had downloaded a tar.gz file [00:30] Its not a newer, my pc was a windowsXP one [00:32] in general, you should not need additional drivers [00:32] are you having graphics issues, prince-charmant ? [00:32] wxl no my screen looks normal [00:35] The last problem I have is: how can I install my two HP all-in-one HP printers ? [00:43] cups should take care of it [00:43] !cups [00:43] Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu [00:46] I have found HPLIB on the HP-support website https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing that should permit to install my printers [00:47] HPLIP [00:50] thanks for all - I should go to sleep now ... [07:49] Hello, is there anybody here? [07:50] No :) [07:52] >_< I have a question about openbox & pcmanfm [07:53] Shoot :) [08:03] My HTPC connected to TV and don't have mouse, only keyboard with 'arrows', 'enter' and 'escape' keys. When I opened new pcmanfm window I can move between selected files in current folder with 'arrow' keys and open files with 'enter' button. But when I closed all windows, desktop don't get focus and I can't select any icon on it. [08:07] How to get focus on desktop without mouse click on it? [08:15] Hm, good question James26, it might be better for #lxde unless someone here knows :) === nailed is now known as nlsthzn [11:41] when can we expect Wine3.0 to be available via the package manager thingy? [11:44] zap0: I don't think it will be backported for existing releases [11:45] Even bionic still has the old 2.0.3 version [11:45] so I guess you need to use a ppa or compile it yourself if there is no snap or appimage of it available [11:53] i tried added the apt thingy as per the wine web page, and then the package maanger said its v3.0-rc6 [11:59] nice [21:08] My fresh install is hanging at /dev/sda1 clean [21:08] Reinstall? [21:09] did you check the hashes of the iso? [21:09] I've used this ISO before. [21:09] one bit can make a difference [21:09] it mightn't have installed properly. [21:09] if you did one thing different this time, that problem might have made itself apparent [21:10] (or if one thing is different about the hardware) [21:10] so the question is still valid [21:10] I'll just rewrite the ISO and hope for the best. [21:10] you should check the hashes [21:10] Is there any way to fix this little issue without reinstalling? [21:10] then upon boot, check for defects [21:10] well that's the problem: we don't know the issue [21:10] it could be any number of things, including, at worst case, some problem with the hardware itself [21:11] the more we eliminate variables the more likely the problem is to reveal itself [21:11] I can switch TTYs. [21:11] So it's not 'hung' [21:12] I plugged in a flash drive and it responded. [21:13] check the xorg log [21:13] or systemctl status lightdm sddm [21:14] yeah i mean you can dig through the logs for sure [21:14] My ISO is no longer listed on the md5sum page. [21:14] but i've found 9/10 installation issues are either download errors or copy errors [21:14] which specific iso you have? [21:15] alternate 17.10 i386 [21:15] the md5sums are for 17.10.1 [21:15] you sure you don't have 17.10.1? [21:15] yeah i'm not sure i'd recommend 17.10 [21:15] Yeah. [21:16] None of my computers are affected though, despite all of my Lenovo gear. [21:17] you're lucky [21:17] i had an affected hp [21:17] the problem is not specific to lenovo [21:17] I have an IBM ThinkPad X40, a Lenovo ThinkPad X200 and a Lenovo ThinkCentre M90 [21:18] yikes yeah i don't know that i'd mess with all that :( [21:18] The IBM was made in the Lenovo factory. [21:18] Should I use the Desktop or Alternate image? [21:20] I'm installing it on he IBM. [21:20] My X200 and M90 already have Lubuntu on them :) [21:21] either/or [21:21] so i have an iso laying around [21:21] I only have 256mb RAM. [21:21] which i zsyncd' so i'm confident the hashes check out [21:22] then alternate [21:22] 30473ad2712991e3136401a9ef93f8405325b85957c73a23784ea9aaa44d4974 artful-alternate-i386.iso [21:22] The Debian ruined a dual boot on me. [21:22] debian installer* [21:22] that's sha256 [21:22] wellllllllllll i'm not sure that's the fault of d-i :) [21:23] It broke my bootloader! [21:23] i'm just saying it ultimately uses the same partition tool the desktop installer does [21:24] So, you're saying the desktop installer would've done the same thing? [21:24] if done in the same fashion, yes [21:24] Oh well. [21:25] It was only FreeDOS> [21:28] Yeah, it's different, I'll download another version. [21:28] What caused the BIOS issue anyway? [21:28] heh [21:29] the fact that our kernel loaded the intel spi module [21:29] ultimately [21:29] that module wasn't really ready for prime-time [21:29] Ah. [21:29] in particular it had an off-by-one error that would cause certain serial flashes to go read only [21:29] Ouch. [21:29] luckily, for most of them, booting a kernel updated to fix that would restore function [21:30] however, you'll notice i said most. [21:31] if i understand the whole thing correctly, it's intel engineering's fault for not writing software correctly for their own hardware XD [21:32] Shit happens. [21:33] that, too. (although that language is probably not the most appropriate for this channel) [21:33] Sorry. [21:33] all good [21:54] Intel seems to have been having some trouble lately with things... [21:56] ah well, that's not entirely their fault. it's not like they're the only ones to blame [21:57] this is true [21:58] Well, Meltdown was a bit of a disaster on their part. [21:58] they aren't the only ones affected by it [21:58] speculative execution was not exclusively theirs [21:58] I'm talking about the out of order execution one. [21:58] Meltdown. [21:58] That's Intel only. [21:58] ah yes right [21:59] Spectre is the speculative execution thing. [21:59] That affects everything since the original Pentium. [23:46] Alright, new problem. [23:47] The installer is hanging at "Cleaning up...." [23:47] It never writes the MBR. [23:47] Oh wait, it's working this time. [23:47] Maybe. [23:48] Nope, disk activity has stopped. [23:50] What's the installer doing when it's hanging with no disk activity? [23:50] It's booting. [23:50] At last. [23:51] 110mb idle is a bit much. [23:53] I think I'll switch to FVWM [23:58] O_o [23:59] oh, 256MB ram.