[00:11] <prince-charmant> I have another question: I think that I found the correct driver for my graphical card(Intel) - Must I try to install it or not ?
[00:13] <prince-charmant> I have seen that's not easy to roll-back
[00:14] <wxl> you mean a non-free driver? i wouldn't suggest it in general
[00:16] <prince-charmant> I have seen also on the Intel-Support website: "Most Linux-based* distributions include Intel® Graphics Drivers."
[00:16] <wxl> they do
[00:17] <prince-charmant> So there is no need to install the drover found on the intel-support website ? (evenwhile lubuntu says that the driver he use is "not-known"
[00:27] <teward> prince-charmant: mind being more specific on what INtel graphics card you have?
[00:27] <teward> most should be covered by the driver that is already shipped with Ubuntu as part of the kernel and updates
[00:28] <teward> there may be a couple *newer* ones not in all the driver versios.
[00:28] <teward> (but that's atypical)
[00:30] <prince-charmant> teward, I did not remember the one i have - because my linux pc is not up-and-running now - I had downloaded a tar.gz file
[00:30] <prince-charmant> Its not a newer, my pc was a windowsXP one
[00:32] <wxl> in general, you should not need additional drivers
[00:32] <wxl> are you having graphics issues, prince-charmant ?
[00:32] <prince-charmant> wxl no my screen looks normal
[00:35] <prince-charmant> The last problem I have is: how can I install my two HP all-in-one HP printers ?
[00:43] <wxl> cups should take care of it
[00:43] <wxl> !cups
[00:46] <prince-charmant> I have found HPLIB on the HP-support website https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing that should permit to install my printers
[00:47] <prince-charmant> HPLIP
[00:50] <prince-charmant> thanks for all - I should go to sleep now ...
[07:49] <James26> Hello, is there anybody here?
[07:50] <tsimonq2> No :)
[07:52] <James26> >_< I have a question about openbox & pcmanfm
[07:53] <tsimonq2> Shoot :)
[08:03] <James26> My HTPC connected to TV and don't have mouse, only keyboard with 'arrows', 'enter' and 'escape' keys. When I opened new pcmanfm window I can move between selected files in current folder with 'arrow' keys and open files with 'enter' button. But when I closed all windows, desktop don't get focus and I can't select any icon on it.
[08:07] <James26> How to get focus on desktop without mouse click on it?
[08:15] <tsimonq2> Hm, good question James26, it might be better for #lxde unless someone here knows :)
[11:41] <zap0> when can we expect Wine3.0 to be available via the package manager thingy?
[11:44] <leszek> zap0: I don't think it will be backported for existing releases
[11:45] <leszek> Even bionic still has the old 2.0.3 version
[11:45] <leszek> so I guess you need to use a ppa or compile it yourself if there is no snap or appimage of it available
[11:53] <zap0> i tried added the apt thingy as per the wine web page, and then the package maanger said  its v3.0-rc6
[11:59] <leszek> nice
[21:08] <Thedarkb> My fresh install is hanging at /dev/sda1 clean
[21:08] <Thedarkb> Reinstall?
[21:09] <wxl> did you check the hashes of the iso?
[21:09] <Thedarkb> I've used this ISO before.
[21:09] <wxl> one bit can make a difference
[21:09] <Thedarkb> it mightn't have installed properly.
[21:09] <wxl> if you did one thing different this time, that problem might have made itself apparent
[21:10] <wxl> (or if one thing is different about the hardware)
[21:10] <wxl> so the question is still valid
[21:10] <Thedarkb> I'll just rewrite the ISO and hope for the best.
[21:10] <wxl> you should check the hashes
[21:10] <Thedarkb> Is there any way to fix this little issue without reinstalling?
[21:10] <wxl> then upon boot, check for defects
[21:10] <wxl> well that's the problem: we don't know the issue
[21:10] <wxl> it could be any number of things, including, at worst case, some problem with the hardware itself
[21:11] <wxl> the more we eliminate variables the more likely the problem is to reveal itself
[21:11] <Thedarkb> I can switch TTYs.
[21:11] <Thedarkb> So it's not 'hung'
[21:12] <Thedarkb> I plugged in a flash drive and it responded.
[21:13] <Kamilion> check the xorg log
[21:13] <Kamilion> or systemctl status lightdm sddm
[21:14] <wxl> yeah i mean you can dig through the logs for sure
[21:14] <Thedarkb> My ISO is no longer listed on the md5sum page.
[21:14] <wxl> but i've found 9/10 installation issues are either download errors or copy errors
[21:14] <wxl> which specific iso you have?
[21:15] <Thedarkb> alternate 17.10 i386
[21:15] <Thedarkb> the md5sums are for 17.10.1
[21:15] <wxl> you sure you don't have 17.10.1?
[21:15] <wxl> yeah i'm not sure i'd recommend 17.10
[21:15] <Thedarkb> Yeah.
[21:16] <Thedarkb> None of my computers are affected though, despite all of my Lenovo gear.
[21:17] <wxl> you're lucky
[21:17] <wxl> i had an affected hp
[21:17] <wxl> the problem is not specific to lenovo
[21:17] <Thedarkb> I have an IBM ThinkPad X40, a Lenovo ThinkPad X200 and a Lenovo ThinkCentre M90
[21:18] <wxl> yikes yeah i don't know that i'd mess with all that :(
[21:18] <Thedarkb> The IBM was made in the Lenovo factory.
[21:18] <Thedarkb> Should I use the Desktop or Alternate image?
[21:20] <Thedarkb> I'm installing it on he IBM.
[21:20] <Thedarkb> My X200 and M90 already have Lubuntu on them :)
[21:21] <wxl> either/or
[21:21] <wxl> so i have an iso laying around
[21:21] <Thedarkb> I only have 256mb RAM.
[21:21] <wxl> which i zsyncd' so i'm confident the hashes check out
[21:22] <wxl> then alternate
[21:22] <wxl> 30473ad2712991e3136401a9ef93f8405325b85957c73a23784ea9aaa44d4974  artful-alternate-i386.iso
[21:22] <Thedarkb> The Debian ruined a dual boot on me.
[21:22] <Thedarkb> debian installer*
[21:22] <wxl> that's sha256
[21:22] <wxl> wellllllllllll i'm not sure that's the fault of d-i :)
[21:23] <Thedarkb> It broke my bootloader!
[21:23] <wxl> i'm just saying it ultimately uses the same partition tool the desktop installer does
[21:24] <Thedarkb> So, you're saying the desktop installer would've done the same thing?
[21:24] <wxl> if done in the same fashion, yes
[21:24] <Thedarkb> Oh well.
[21:25] <Thedarkb> It was only FreeDOS>
[21:28] <Thedarkb> Yeah, it's different, I'll download another version.
[21:28] <Thedarkb> What caused the BIOS issue anyway?
[21:28] <wxl> heh
[21:29] <wxl> the fact that our kernel loaded the intel spi module
[21:29] <wxl> ultimately
[21:29] <wxl> that module wasn't really ready for prime-time
[21:29] <Thedarkb> Ah.
[21:29] <wxl> in particular it had an off-by-one error that would cause certain serial flashes to go read only
[21:29] <Thedarkb> Ouch.
[21:29] <wxl> luckily, for most of them, booting a kernel updated to fix that would restore function
[21:30] <wxl> however, you'll notice i said most.
[21:31] <wxl> if i understand the whole thing correctly, it's intel engineering's fault for not writing software correctly for their own hardware XD
[21:32] <Thedarkb> Shit happens.
[21:33] <wxl> that, too. (although that language is probably not the most appropriate for this channel)
[21:33] <Thedarkb> Sorry.
[21:33] <wxl> all good
[21:54] <parhelia> Intel seems to have been having some trouble lately with things...
[21:56] <wxl> ah well, that's not entirely their fault. it's not like they're the only ones to blame
[21:57] <parhelia> this is true
[21:58] <Thedarkb> Well, Meltdown was a bit of a disaster on their part.
[21:58] <wxl> they aren't the only ones affected by it
[21:58] <wxl> speculative execution was not exclusively theirs
[21:58] <Thedarkb> I'm talking about the out of order execution one.
[21:58] <Thedarkb> Meltdown.
[21:58] <Thedarkb> That's Intel only.
[21:58] <wxl> ah yes right
[21:59] <Thedarkb> Spectre is the speculative execution thing.
[21:59] <Thedarkb> That affects everything since the original Pentium.
[23:46] <Thedarkb> Alright, new problem.
[23:47] <Thedarkb> The installer is hanging at "Cleaning up...."
[23:47] <Thedarkb> It never writes the MBR.
[23:47] <Thedarkb> Oh wait, it's working this time.
[23:47] <Thedarkb> Maybe.
[23:48] <Thedarkb> Nope, disk activity has stopped.
[23:50] <Thedarkb> What's the installer doing when it's hanging with no disk activity?
[23:50] <Thedarkb> It's booting.
[23:50] <Thedarkb> At last.
[23:51] <Thedarkb> 110mb idle is a bit much.
[23:53] <Thedarkb> I think I'll switch to FVWM
[23:58] <Kamilion> O_o
[23:59] <Kamilion> oh, 256MB ram.