| CoJaBo | Whelp. Kubuntu Bionic 32-bit does not even make it to desktop :/ | 01:01 |
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| CoJaBo | And I haven't even installed the Plasma beta yet <_< | 01:02 |
| valorie | CoJaBo: we will have i386 if we get testers for the alpha 2, the betas, and the RC | 02:20 |
| valorie | we must have i386 testers on 386 systems or it is not worth the trouble | 02:21 |
| valorie | for Kubuntu -- not ubuntu, which will not ship i386 for the lts | 02:21 |
| CoJaBo | valorie: I'm hoping to run Kubuntu on i386; if I can get it to run, that is.. | 02:47 |
| CoJaBo | valorie: Plasmashell and the splash screen process both segfault, so it never gets to the desktop >_> | 02:48 |
| valorie | oh geez | 02:50 |
| valorie | this is on bionic? | 02:50 |
| CoJaBo | Yep | 02:51 |
| valorie | did it run for you on artful? | 02:51 |
| CoJaBo | Not sure, I never tried it on 386 before | 02:51 |
| valorie | can you retry with the artful ISO? | 02:52 |
| valorie | 17.10.1 | 02:52 |
| valorie | be sure to use that, and hopefully upgrade immediately | 02:52 |
| CoJaBo | Not easily; I'm having trouble getting the system to boot from USB | 02:52 |
| valorie | damn | 02:53 |
| valorie | this is why we needed more testing of the beta 2 and RC ON i386 | 02:54 |
| valorie | which we didn't get | 02:54 |
| valorie | I had to do VMs | 02:54 |
| valorie | which is not ideal | 02:54 |
| valorie | I begged and begged | 02:55 |
| valorie | CoJaBo: it was running and passing on the alphas and maybe the first beta on actual i386 though | 03:04 |
| flocculant | valorie: just tried 32 bit kubuntu - vbox boots (eventually) from usb, starting to boot, it just reboots machine here | 06:15 |
| valorie | :( | 06:16 |
| flocculant | yup not too good indeed | 06:16 |
| flocculant | thought I'd check it out | 06:16 |
| valorie | I'm gonna have to write to the kubuntu-users mail list | 06:16 |
| valorie | and ask for help from people with those older machines | 06:17 |
| * flocculant wanders back off to xubuntu world :) | 06:17 | |
| valorie | gosh | 06:17 |
| valorie | because otherwise we aren't gonna put it out | 06:17 |
| valorie | non-working stuff shouldn't be released | 06:17 |
| flocculant | valorie: I'll just check xubuntu 32 bit - might be a *buntu thing - at that point of the boot we're likely much the same | 06:18 |
| valorie | flocculant: I would love to hear the results | 06:19 |
| flocculant | valorie: of course :) | 06:19 |
| flocculant | that's why I told you ;) | 06:19 |
| valorie | the flavors who want to provide this are sort of on our own now | 06:20 |
| flocculant | won't be doing more than trying to boot it - work soon ... | 06:20 |
| valorie | since Ubuntu has stopped building or distributing them anymore | 06:20 |
| flocculant | valorie: well - I'm sure that if it's been broken by ubuntu then they'll fix it | 06:21 |
| valorie | ::fingers crossed:: | 06:22 |
| flocculant | valorie: well ... good news for you :( | 06:28 |
| valorie | broken for y'all as well? | 06:29 |
| flocculant | run out of time now - but this afternoon I'll dd the iso's instead of using gnome-disks | 06:29 |
| flocculant | yup | 06:29 |
| flocculant | I'll do that to check it's not the tool I used | 06:29 |
| flocculant | I'll also double check with an artful iso | 06:30 |
| * flocculant is Uk/UTC time | 06:30 | |
| flocculant | valorie: I will ping you with what I find unless you ping me to say someone has worked it out | 06:30 |
| valorie | thank you, flocculant! | 06:30 |
| flocculant | np - always try to help other flavours when I can :) | 06:31 |
| valorie | finding out *what* the problem is would be good | 06:31 |
| flocculant | time to skedaddle now though | 06:31 |
| flocculant | valorie: ack :p | 06:31 |
| valorie | ciao and thanks again | 06:31 |
| flocculant | valorie: I'll try lubuntu as well - they'll jump up and down for weeks if 32 bit doesn't boot for them :D | 06:32 |
| valorie | :-) | 06:33 |
| valorie | so true | 06:33 |
| valorie | tsimonq2: ^^^ | 06:33 |
| tsimonq2 | ack | 06:48 |
| gnomethrower | hey guys | 08:14 |
| gnomethrower | if I installed a daily build of +1 about a week ago | 08:14 |
| gnomethrower | can I update all the packages and be current, or do I need to redownload? | 08:14 |
| gnomethrower | and reinstall | 08:15 |
| gnomethrower | sorry if that's a stupid question | 08:15 |
| tsimonq2 | Nope, just update the packages and you'll continue to be on the daily | 08:15 |
| gnomethrower | tsimonq2: Perfect, thank you :) | 08:15 |
| tsimonq2 | The ISOs are provided for your convenience ;) | 08:15 |
| tsimonq2 | No problem gnomethrower :) | 08:15 |
| gnomethrower | I love LTS releases :D | 08:15 |
| gnomethrower | for some reason they excite me much more than regular ones | 08:16 |
| gnomethrower | I guess because as a sysadmin it means new toys... | 08:16 |
| tsimonq2 | :D | 08:17 |
| gnomethrower | whoa... clicking the help icon really slowed my computer | 08:18 |
| tsimonq2 | You just on stock? | 08:18 |
| gnomethrower | yeah | 08:18 |
| gnomethrower | January 5th build | 08:18 |
| gnomethrower | thus my questions ;) | 08:18 |
| tsimonq2 | I really highly suggest making sure your system's up-to-date and filing a bug | 08:18 |
| gnomethrower | I doubt I can repro | 08:19 |
| tsimonq2 | ("build" is irrelevant, just make sure your system's current with updates :) ) | 08:19 |
| tsimonq2 | You sure? | 08:19 |
| tsimonq2 | Try :D | 08:19 |
| gnomethrower | I am :P | 08:19 |
| gnomethrower | Nope, all is good. | 08:19 |
| tsimonq2 | huh | 08:20 |
| tsimonq2 | Weird :) | 08:20 |
| gnomethrower | I was updating packages at the same time | 08:20 |
| gnomethrower | so my theory is that I opened it while a package related to it was being updated | 08:20 |
| tsimonq2 | huh | 08:22 |
| tsimonq2 | weird :) | 08:22 |
| gnomethrower | Anyways | 08:22 |
| gnomethrower | Feels pretty snappy and the UI is decent | 08:23 |
| gnomethrower | I pretty much gave up on stock when Unity came out, I'm afraid | 08:23 |
| gnomethrower | been running a frankensystem, Cinnamon running on Ubuntu 16.04 | 08:23 |
| gnomethrower | but hoping to give the stock desktop another try | 08:23 |
| tsimonq2 | Have you tried any of the flavors? | 08:24 |
| gnomethrower | Like Kubuntu and Xubuntu? | 08:25 |
| gnomethrower | I hate KDE, dislike XFCE, tolerate LXDE... :P | 08:25 |
| tsimonq2 | When's the last time you've tried all of these? :) | 08:26 |
| tsimonq2 | And have you tried LXQt? | 08:27 |
| gnomethrower | Admittedly a few years back | 08:29 |
| gnomethrower | and I haven't actually heard of LXQt, might give it a try | 08:29 |
| gnomethrower | honestly Cinnamon has worked so well for me that I've just stuck with it | 08:29 |
| tsimonq2 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 08:29 |
| tsimonq2 | To each their own | 08:29 |
| gnomethrower | but I don't want to run Linux Mint (various reasons) and Cinnamon on Ubuntu is slightly buggy | 08:29 |
| gnomethrower | so I'm open to exploring the flavours more | 08:29 |
| tsimonq2 | Ok cool :D | 08:29 |
| gnomethrower | Huh! | 08:35 |
| gnomethrower | Budgie actually looks cool | 08:35 |
| flocculant | valorie tsimonq2 - did some testing, reported crtitical fails on Live Sessions for Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Xubuntu - bug 1744357 | 16:54 |
| ubottu | bug 1744357 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "Bionic 32 bit iso fails to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1744357 | 16:54 |
| flocculant | following up with Mate and Budgie now | 16:55 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: bit nasty for sure - and I know Lubuntu would hate it - some of Xubuntu would too, I'm *shrug* about 32 bit tbh | 17:01 |
| flocculant | just dd'ing Mate - that zsynced first :D | 17:02 |
| flocculant | mmm - redoing dd - different error with Mate | 17:07 |
| flocculant | at least it said something | 17:07 |
| flocculant | funnily enough - since all the bios hoohaa we've all gone through, I've noticed that now when I F12 for boot menu - it responds a whole lot faster than it did before | 17:13 |
| flocculant | if anyone's following - and wonders what happened to Mate and Budgie - they faired no better ... | 17:35 |
| TJ- | flocculant: what's the error though? | 17:40 |
| flocculant | TJ-: other than none of them booting - and just rebooting the machine - no idea | 17:41 |
| TJ- | flocculant: best to capture the boot console via a VM | 17:41 |
| flocculant | TJ-: probably - someone else can do that if it's needed | 17:44 |
| tsimonq2 | heh | 17:48 |
| flocculant | I see tsimonq2 volunteered then :p | 17:54 |
| tsimonq2 | nooooooooo | 17:55 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 17:55 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:55 |
| flocculant | bbl | 17:55 |
| CoJaBo | flocculant: have you tested with the Plasma beta PPA yet, in Kubuntu on 32bit? Mine won't boot either, wondering if I should try that as a next step.. | 20:00 |
| CoJaBo | (not sure if it's hanging at the same point tho; mine bails right before it gets to the desktop, where Plasma segfaults) | 20:02 |
| flocculant | CoJaBo: not at all - I've actually no real interest in kubuntu - I do xubuntu and am in the xubuntu team, I got involved because not only does the kubuntu 32 bit iso fail - so does xubuntu, and in fact all those I checked out | 20:04 |
| flocculant | sorry for you thinking I was using kubuntu | 20:04 |
| flocculant | valorie tsimonq2: awesome - didn't think about vm's ... mostly because it's usually MY VM fails :( ... works on hardware | 20:23 |
| valorie | I don't have quite the knowledge to do such a test and get good logs | 20:24 |
| valorie | should learn -- would welcome docs on how to do that | 20:24 |
| valorie | no time for a few days to do that though | 20:25 |
| flocculant | oh right docs ... | 20:25 |
| flocculant | if you find them - please tell me where :D | 20:25 |
| flocculant | valorie: anyway - upshot is we boot in vm, not on hardware | 20:26 |
| valorie | right, I did all my artful testing on my travel laptop, which is not powerful enough for a vm | 20:26 |
| flocculant | valorie: did you try not virtualbox ? | 20:27 |
| valorie | I didn't | 20:27 |
| flocculant | I use kvm a(which you can do from a terminal) and virt-manager which is a gui front-end | 20:27 |
| * flocculant digs out the old wiki page | 20:28 | |
| flocculant | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation | 20:28 |
| valorie | I've made VMs before, although not kvm | 20:29 |
| valorie | but I don't know the bit about fetching the logs when the boot fails | 20:29 |
| nacc | virt-manager is the easiest way (IMO) to test install off an ISO | 20:29 |
| flocculant | and from a terminal - a dead simple boot an iso line I use is, for instance "kvm -m 2048 -cdrom /mnt/Data/iso/18.04_Other/Kubuntu/bionic-desktop-i386.iso" | 20:29 |
| nacc | and or that :) | 20:29 |
| valorie | thanks for that | 20:29 |
| flocculant | nacc: yup - though I'm finding that very very slow with bionic iso's atm - bug report on lp for stuff I find | 20:30 |
| flocculant | valorie: np - just ask :) | 20:30 |
| valorie | ok, then what if it fails? | 20:30 |
| valorie | how does one get the log? | 20:31 |
| nacc | flocculant: ah i haven't tested that specifically | 20:31 |
| flocculant | nacc: I actually prefer to gui it :) but I have a script to zsync my iso's, do some copying etc and then run those lines quickly | 20:31 |
| valorie | I mean I always try to file bugs via cli if possible | 20:32 |
| flocculant | valorie: which log? | 20:32 |
| valorie | "TJ-> flocculant: best to capture the boot console via a VM " | 20:32 |
| valorie | and I assume associated logs? | 20:33 |
| nacc | kvm/qemu do log somewhere, iirc | 20:33 |
| flocculant | oh right - not sure tbh, but I think this is too soon to even do that, can't remember the new-fangled way to get the same as ye olde text boot | 20:33 |
| nacc | there is also, iirc, a flag to qemu/kvm to log the serial console to a file | 20:34 |
| flocculant | nacc: this is stuff I've never needed - so hence ... ;) | 20:34 |
| nacc | flocculant: :) | 20:34 |
| flocculant | perhaps in /var/log/libvirt/qemu/ | 20:35 |
| valorie | like doing pastebinit ? | 20:35 |
| nacc | flocculant: only if using libvirt :) | 20:35 |
| flocculant | nacc: not a clue - I followed the wiki page I gave valorie :D | 20:35 |
| flocculant | sigh | 20:37 |
| flocculant | friday evening - and after all this mucking about - no beer :( | 20:37 |
| flocculant | and it's raining | 20:37 |
| flocculant | nacc: this stuff? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/libvirt.html | 20:41 |
| nacc | flocculant: i just ment that libvirt qemu logs only apply to libvirt qemu instances ) | 20:41 |
| flocculant | yea realised that, but if I did it that way I assume I'd see logs (though I did have some in ^^ so I assume at some point ...) | 20:42 |
| nacc | yeah | 20:42 |
| flocculant | mmmm - might look into that a bit then (tomorrow :D) | 20:43 |
| flocculant | I hate not being able to give as much info as I can on a bug report like this | 20:43 |
| flocculant | that said infinity is looking :D | 20:44 |
| TJ- | flocculant: here's an article I wrote about 10 years ago on how to use qemu/kvm to capture console to a log file http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/KvmQemuSerialMonitor | 20:44 |
| flocculant | nacc: oh yea - usually the other way around for me - but it's hardware failing this sime :D | 20:44 |
| nacc | flocculant: fun :) | 20:45 |
| flocculant | TJ-: awesome - I WILL read it, but I've been up since 0500 utc and it's almost 2100 on a Friday night :) | 20:45 |
| flocculant | more for tomorrow :) | 20:45 |
| TJ- | flocculant: same here :) | 20:46 |
| flocculant | right now - I'm off to the shop :D | 20:46 |
| flocculant | with a hat on ... | 20:46 |
| valorie | thanks to y'all for the above info! | 20:49 |
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