[01:01] <CoJaBo> Whelp. Kubuntu Bionic 32-bit does not even make it to desktop :/
[01:02] <CoJaBo> And I haven't even installed the Plasma beta yet <_<
[02:20] <valorie> CoJaBo: we will have i386 if we get testers for the alpha 2, the betas, and the RC
[02:21] <valorie> we must have i386 testers on 386 systems or it is not worth the trouble
[02:21] <valorie> for Kubuntu -- not ubuntu, which will not ship i386 for the lts
[02:47] <CoJaBo> valorie: I'm hoping to run Kubuntu on i386; if I can get it to run, that is..
[02:48] <CoJaBo> valorie: Plasmashell and the splash screen process both segfault, so it never gets to the desktop >_>
[02:50] <valorie> oh geez
[02:50] <valorie> this is on bionic?
[02:51] <CoJaBo> Yep
[02:51] <valorie> did it run for you on artful?
[02:51] <CoJaBo> Not sure, I never tried it on 386 before
[02:52] <valorie> can you retry with the artful ISO?
[02:52] <valorie> 17.10.1
[02:52] <valorie> be sure to use that, and hopefully upgrade immediately
[02:52] <CoJaBo> Not easily; I'm having trouble getting the system to boot from USB
[02:53] <valorie> damn
[02:54] <valorie> this is why we needed more testing of the beta 2 and RC ON i386
[02:54] <valorie> which we didn't get
[02:54] <valorie> I had to do VMs
[02:54] <valorie> which is not ideal
[02:55] <valorie> I begged and begged
[03:04] <valorie> CoJaBo: it was running and passing on the alphas and maybe the first beta on actual i386 though
[06:15] <flocculant> valorie: just tried 32 bit kubuntu - vbox boots (eventually) from usb, starting to boot,  it just reboots machine here 
[06:16] <valorie> :(
[06:16] <flocculant> yup not too good indeed
[06:16] <flocculant> thought I'd check it out
[06:16] <valorie> I'm gonna have to write to the kubuntu-users mail list
[06:17] <valorie> and ask for help from people with those older machines
[06:17]  * flocculant wanders back off to xubuntu world :)
[06:17] <valorie> gosh
[06:17] <valorie> because otherwise we aren't gonna put it out
[06:17] <valorie> non-working stuff shouldn't be released
[06:18] <flocculant> valorie: I'll just check xubuntu 32 bit - might be a *buntu thing - at that point of the boot we're likely much the same
[06:19] <valorie> flocculant: I would love to hear the results
[06:19] <flocculant> valorie: of course :)
[06:19] <flocculant> that's why I told you ;)
[06:20] <valorie> the flavors who want to provide this are sort of on our own now
[06:20] <flocculant> won't be doing more than trying to boot it - work soon ...
[06:20] <valorie> since Ubuntu has stopped building or distributing them anymore
[06:21] <flocculant> valorie: well - I'm sure that if it's been broken by ubuntu then they'll fix it 
[06:22] <valorie> ::fingers crossed::
[06:28] <flocculant> valorie: well ... good news for you :(
[06:29] <valorie> broken for y'all as well?
[06:29] <flocculant> run out of time now - but this afternoon I'll dd the iso's instead of using gnome-disks
[06:29] <flocculant> yup
[06:29] <flocculant> I'll do that to check it's not the tool I used
[06:30] <flocculant> I'll also double check with an artful iso
[06:30]  * flocculant is Uk/UTC time 
[06:30] <flocculant> valorie: I will ping you with what I find unless you ping me to say someone has worked it out
[06:30] <valorie> thank you, flocculant!
[06:31] <flocculant> np - always try to help other flavours when I can :)
[06:31] <valorie> finding out *what* the problem is would be good
[06:31] <flocculant> time to skedaddle now though
[06:31] <flocculant> valorie: ack :p
[06:31] <valorie> ciao and thanks again
[06:32] <flocculant> valorie: I'll try lubuntu as well - they'll jump up and down for weeks if 32 bit doesn't boot for them :D
[06:33] <valorie> :-)
[06:33] <valorie> so true
[06:33] <valorie> tsimonq2: ^^^
[06:48] <tsimonq2> ack
[08:14] <gnomethrower> hey guys
[08:14] <gnomethrower> if I installed a daily build of +1 about a week ago
[08:14] <gnomethrower> can I update all the packages and be current, or do I need to redownload?
[08:15] <gnomethrower> and reinstall
[08:15] <gnomethrower> sorry if that's a stupid question
[08:15] <tsimonq2> Nope, just update the packages and you'll continue to be on the daily
[08:15] <gnomethrower> tsimonq2: Perfect, thank you :)
[08:15] <tsimonq2> The ISOs are provided for your convenience ;)
[08:15] <tsimonq2> No problem gnomethrower :)
[08:15] <gnomethrower> I love LTS releases :D
[08:16] <gnomethrower> for some reason they excite me much more than regular ones
[08:16] <gnomethrower> I guess because as a sysadmin it means new toys...
[08:17] <tsimonq2> :D
[08:18] <gnomethrower> whoa... clicking the help icon really slowed my computer
[08:18] <tsimonq2> You just on stock?
[08:18] <gnomethrower> yeah
[08:18] <gnomethrower> January 5th build
[08:18] <gnomethrower> thus my questions ;)
[08:18] <tsimonq2> I really highly suggest making sure your system's up-to-date and filing a bug
[08:19] <gnomethrower> I doubt I can repro
[08:19] <tsimonq2> ("build" is irrelevant, just make sure your system's current with updates :) )
[08:19] <tsimonq2> You sure?
[08:19] <tsimonq2> Try :D
[08:19] <gnomethrower> I am :P
[08:19] <gnomethrower> Nope, all is good.
[08:20] <tsimonq2> huh
[08:20] <tsimonq2> Weird :)
[08:20] <gnomethrower> I was updating packages at the same time
[08:20] <gnomethrower> so my theory is that I opened it while a package related to it was being updated
[08:22] <tsimonq2> huh
[08:22] <tsimonq2> weird :)
[08:22] <gnomethrower> Anyways
[08:23] <gnomethrower> Feels pretty snappy and the UI is decent
[08:23] <gnomethrower> I pretty much gave up on stock when Unity came out, I'm afraid
[08:23] <gnomethrower> been running a frankensystem, Cinnamon running on Ubuntu 16.04
[08:23] <gnomethrower> but hoping to give the stock desktop another try
[08:24] <tsimonq2> Have you tried any of the flavors?
[08:25] <gnomethrower> Like Kubuntu and Xubuntu?
[08:25] <gnomethrower> I hate KDE, dislike XFCE, tolerate LXDE... :P
[08:26] <tsimonq2> When's the last time you've tried all of these? :)
[08:27] <tsimonq2> And have you tried LXQt?
[08:29] <gnomethrower> Admittedly a few years back
[08:29] <gnomethrower> and I haven't actually heard of LXQt, might give it a try
[08:29] <gnomethrower> honestly Cinnamon has worked so well for me that I've just stuck with it
[08:29] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[08:29] <tsimonq2> To each their own
[08:29] <gnomethrower> but I don't want to run Linux Mint (various reasons) and Cinnamon on Ubuntu is slightly buggy
[08:29] <gnomethrower> so I'm open to exploring the flavours more
[08:29] <tsimonq2> Ok cool :D
[08:35] <gnomethrower> Huh!
[08:35] <gnomethrower> Budgie actually looks cool
[16:54] <flocculant> valorie tsimonq2 - did some testing, reported crtitical fails on Live Sessions for Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Xubuntu - bug 1744357
[16:54] <ubottu> bug 1744357 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "Bionic 32 bit iso fails to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1744357
[16:55] <flocculant> following up with Mate and Budgie now 
[17:01] <flocculant> tsimonq2: bit nasty for sure - and I know Lubuntu would hate it - some of Xubuntu would too, I'm *shrug* about 32 bit tbh
[17:02] <flocculant> just dd'ing Mate - that zsynced first :D
[17:07] <flocculant> mmm - redoing dd - different error with Mate
[17:07] <flocculant> at least it said something
[17:13] <flocculant> funnily enough - since all the bios hoohaa we've all gone through, I've noticed that now when I F12 for boot menu - it responds a whole lot faster than it did before 
[17:35] <flocculant> if anyone's following - and wonders what happened to Mate and Budgie - they faired no better ... 
[17:40] <TJ-> flocculant: what's the error though?
[17:41] <flocculant> TJ-: other than none of them booting - and just rebooting the machine - no idea
[17:41] <TJ-> flocculant: best to capture the boot console via a VM 
[17:44] <flocculant> TJ-: probably - someone else can do that if it's needed
[17:48] <tsimonq2> heh
[17:54] <flocculant> I see tsimonq2 volunteered then :p
[17:55] <tsimonq2> nooooooooo
[17:55] <tsimonq2> :)
[17:55] <flocculant> :)
[17:55] <flocculant> bbl
[20:00] <CoJaBo> flocculant: have you tested with the Plasma beta PPA yet, in Kubuntu on 32bit? Mine won't boot either, wondering if I should try that as a next step..
[20:02] <CoJaBo> (not sure if it's hanging at the same point tho; mine bails right before it gets to the desktop, where Plasma segfaults)
[20:04] <flocculant> CoJaBo: not at all - I've actually no real interest in kubuntu - I do xubuntu and am in the xubuntu team, I got involved because not only does the kubuntu 32 bit iso fail - so does xubuntu, and in fact all those I checked out
[20:04] <flocculant> sorry for you thinking I was using kubuntu 
[20:23] <flocculant> valorie tsimonq2: awesome - didn't think about vm's ... mostly because it's usually MY VM fails :( ... works on hardware
[20:24] <valorie> I don't have quite the knowledge to do such a test and get good logs
[20:24] <valorie> should learn -- would welcome docs on how to do that
[20:25] <valorie> no time for a few days to do that though
[20:25] <flocculant> oh right docs ...
[20:25] <flocculant> if you find them - please tell me where :D
[20:26] <flocculant> valorie: anyway - upshot is we boot in vm, not on hardware
[20:26] <valorie> right, I did all my artful testing on my travel laptop, which is not powerful enough for a vm
[20:27] <flocculant> valorie: did you try not virtualbox ?
[20:27] <valorie> I didn't
[20:27] <flocculant> I use kvm a(which you can do from a terminal) and virt-manager which is a gui front-end
[20:28]  * flocculant digs out the old wiki page
[20:28] <flocculant> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[20:29] <valorie> I've made VMs before, although not kvm
[20:29] <valorie> but I don't know the bit about fetching the logs when the boot fails
[20:29] <nacc> virt-manager is the easiest way (IMO) to test install off an ISO
[20:29] <flocculant> and from a terminal - a dead simple boot an iso line I use is, for instance "kvm -m 2048 -cdrom /mnt/Data/iso/18.04_Other/Kubuntu/bionic-desktop-i386.iso" 
[20:29] <nacc> and or that :)
[20:29] <valorie> thanks for that
[20:30] <flocculant> nacc: yup - though I'm finding that very very slow with bionic iso's atm - bug report on lp for stuff I find
[20:30] <flocculant> valorie: np - just ask :)
[20:30] <valorie> ok, then what if it fails?
[20:31] <valorie> how does one get the log?
[20:31] <nacc> flocculant: ah i haven't tested that specifically
[20:31] <flocculant> nacc: I actually prefer to gui it :) but I have a script to zsync my iso's, do some copying etc and then run those lines quickly
[20:32] <valorie> I mean I always try to file bugs via cli if possible
[20:32] <flocculant> valorie: which log?
[20:32] <valorie> "‎TJ-‎>‎ flocculant: best to capture the boot console via a VM "
[20:33] <valorie> and I assume associated logs?
[20:33] <nacc> kvm/qemu do log somewhere, iirc
[20:33] <flocculant> oh right - not sure tbh, but I think this is too soon to even do that, can't remember the new-fangled way to get the same as ye olde text boot
[20:34] <nacc> there is also, iirc, a flag to qemu/kvm to log the serial console to a file
[20:34] <flocculant> nacc: this is stuff I've never needed - so hence ... ;)
[20:34] <nacc> flocculant: :)
[20:35] <flocculant> perhaps in /var/log/libvirt/qemu/
[20:35] <valorie> like doing pastebinit ?
[20:35] <nacc> flocculant: only if using libvirt :)
[20:35] <flocculant> nacc: not a clue - I followed the wiki page I gave valorie :D
[20:37] <flocculant> sigh
[20:37] <flocculant> friday evening - and after all this mucking about - no beer :(
[20:37] <flocculant> and it's raining
[20:41] <flocculant> nacc: this stuff? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/libvirt.html
[20:41] <nacc> flocculant: i just ment that libvirt qemu logs only apply to libvirt qemu instances )
[20:42] <flocculant> yea realised that, but if I did it that way I assume I'd see logs (though I did have some in ^^ so I assume at some point ...)
[20:42] <nacc> yeah
[20:43] <flocculant> mmmm - might look into that a bit then (tomorrow :D) 
[20:43] <flocculant> I hate not being able to give as much info as I can on a bug report like this 
[20:44] <flocculant> that said infinity is looking :D
[20:44] <TJ-> flocculant: here's an article I wrote about 10 years ago on how to use qemu/kvm to capture console to a log file http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/KvmQemuSerialMonitor
[20:44] <flocculant> nacc: oh yea - usually the other way around for me - but it's hardware failing this sime :D
[20:45] <nacc> flocculant: fun :)
[20:45] <flocculant> TJ-: awesome - I WILL read it, but I've been up since 0500 utc and it's almost 2100 on a Friday night :)
[20:45] <flocculant> more for tomorrow :)
[20:46] <TJ-> flocculant: same here :)
[20:46] <flocculant> right now - I'm off to the shop :D
[20:46] <flocculant> with a hat on ...
[20:49] <valorie> thanks to y'all for the above info!