[15:35] Good morning [15:50] Is it really Friday? [15:51] I think so. [15:51] GETTING DOWN ON FRIDAY! [15:51] Good morning. [15:55] I love looking at code that you've just written (or testing) and realizing that it's one giant booger that needs refactoring [15:55] s/or/for/ [15:59] i like it better when I can just delete it all. [16:01] heh [16:01] problem is 'm writing backward compatible code so most everything is driven by one method [16:02] so the temptation is to make it work with that method [16:02] and then testing with that method becomes the booger [18:51] rick_h: there is this really great product, way better than nest hello. its called vivint. :) [18:52] * cmaloney feels a sales pitch [18:52] nah, just pride. [18:52] jrwren: oh yeah? [18:52] I get that it isn't for everyone. [18:52] jrwren: Just messing. It's good to be excited about what you're workingon [18:52] especially if you can make it better [18:53] I'll look. I did a lot of research when I got the next outdoor cam but the hello was just because ecosystem at this point. [18:56] well, I'm assuming you don't want a whole home security system w/ panel like ADP or Guardian. Given that is all vivint has right now, I doubt you even compared vivint outdoor cams when you did that. Like I said: not for everyone. :) [18:57] Plus, I know you are a tinkerer, and vivint is the exact opposite of that. [18:57] Don't recall if vivint was in any of the comparisons I went through. It was a lot of nest and ... /me looks [18:58] Arlo seemed the other big one [18:58] yup, nest and arlo are the current big players. [18:58] and ring. [18:58] Well I'm not looking to tinker with this stuff. I don't want to setup a server for the stuff myself [18:59] It's a big reason I went nest. Know it'll work from the phones and pay my monthly fee [19:00] oh, well in that case, you honestly may want to consider a vivint system. [19:02] think nest, but integrated with a home security panel that does things like arm/disarm when it detects your phone GPS location - solving the biggest problem with home security systems, people stop arming them. [19:04] Seems like that could be strange. [19:04] Sometimes my phone thinks its in another city or something [19:05] ha! that would be terrible. the system arms while you are at home and then triggers the alarm and calls the police :) [19:06] Yeah, or worse: if it detects your phone on the wifi but then your phone hiccups while in a dead zone [19:06] or your phone thinks it's in Southfield because that's where AT&T is [19:07] yeah, I don't have that feature enabled because my system is kind of in dev mode, but maybe I should look into it so I could give you educated responses to your concerns :) [19:07] I know some customers love it. [19:08] Oh I'd love it too [19:08] maybe something with bluetooth [19:08] depending on the home layout [19:08] * cmaloney doesn't trust GPS, even though every single photograph I take at home practically shows our address in the lat / long [19:09] I hate heisenbugs where something bitched about a unicode issue and now I can't repeat it with the debugger. [19:10] ya know what... on second thought... rick_h DO NOT GET A VIVINT SYSTEM.... I don't want you complaining to me when things aren't quite right. :) [19:21] Oh please get one now [19:22] LoL [19:25] "i don't work on that part" :) [20:25] man... resurecting an ancient 16.10 installation is kind of a pain :) [20:25] Oh my [20:26] Any particular reason to go back that far? [20:26] since it's no longer supported? [20:31] none other than a broken laptop has been sitting on a shelf for a year and I finally got aorund to repurposing it. [20:31] The display is literally cracked, but I want to plug it into a TV. [20:32] install from scratch is a challenge because of that broken display, so it is easier to upgrade the existing installation. [20:43] Ah [20:43] Good luck [20:43] * cmaloney wondered if he should pull down the Asus Eee and install Freedos on it [20:43] seemed to work ok, just a bit of fun. [20:44] since that's about all that will run on it [20:54] find an ancient distro of the day? [21:17] heh [22:48] I need to reinstall on my eeepc for a workout video machine for Carrie (her request!). Got a monitor for the garage to plug it into [23:23] mission accomplished, it even upgraded to wayland and works great with a TV.