[15:35] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:50] <greg-g> Is it really Friday?
[15:51] <cmaloney> I think so.
[15:51] <jrwren> GETTING DOWN ON FRIDAY!
[15:51] <jrwren> Good morning.
[15:55] <cmaloney> I love looking at code that you've just written (or testing) and realizing that it's one giant booger that needs refactoring
[15:55] <cmaloney> s/or/for/
[15:59] <jrwren> i like it better when I can just delete it all.
[16:01] <cmaloney> heh
[16:01] <cmaloney> problem is 'm writing backward compatible code so most everything is driven by one method
[16:02] <cmaloney> so the temptation is to make it work with that method
[16:02] <cmaloney> and then testing with that method becomes the booger
[18:51] <jrwren> rick_h: there is this really great product, way better than nest hello. its called vivint.  :)
[18:52]  * cmaloney feels a sales pitch
[18:52] <jrwren> nah, just pride.
[18:52] <rick_h> jrwren: oh yeah?
[18:52] <jrwren> I get that it isn't for everyone.
[18:52] <cmaloney> jrwren: Just messing. It's good to be excited about what you're workingon
[18:52] <cmaloney> especially if you can make it better
[18:53] <rick_h> I'll look. I did a lot of research when I got the next outdoor cam but the hello was just because ecosystem at this point.
[18:56] <jrwren> well, I'm assuming you don't want a whole home security system w/ panel like ADP or Guardian. Given that is all vivint has right now, I doubt you even compared vivint outdoor cams when you did that. Like I said: not for everyone. :)
[18:57] <jrwren> Plus, I know you are a tinkerer, and vivint is the exact opposite of that.
[18:57] <rick_h> Don't recall if vivint was in any of the comparisons I went through. It was a lot of nest and ... /me looks
[18:58] <rick_h> Arlo seemed the other big one
[18:58] <jrwren> yup, nest and arlo are the current big players.
[18:58] <jrwren> and ring.
[18:58] <rick_h> Well I'm not looking to tinker with this stuff. I don't want to setup a server for the stuff myself
[18:59] <rick_h> It's a big reason I went nest. Know it'll work from the phones and pay my monthly fee
[19:00] <jrwren> oh, well in that case, you honestly may want to consider a vivint system.
[19:02] <jrwren> think nest, but integrated with a home security panel that does things like arm/disarm when it detects your phone GPS location - solving the biggest problem with home security systems, people stop arming them.
[19:04] <cmaloney> Seems like that could be strange.
[19:04] <cmaloney> Sometimes my phone thinks its in another city or something
[19:05] <jrwren> ha! that would be terrible. the system arms while you are at home and then triggers the alarm and calls the police :)
[19:06] <cmaloney> Yeah, or worse: if it detects your phone on the wifi but then your phone hiccups while in a dead zone
[19:06] <cmaloney> or your phone thinks it's in Southfield because that's where AT&T is
[19:07] <jrwren> yeah, I don't have that feature enabled because my system is kind of in dev mode, but maybe I should look into it so I could give you educated responses to your concerns :)
[19:07] <jrwren> I know some customers love it.
[19:08] <cmaloney> Oh I'd love it too
[19:08] <cmaloney> maybe something with bluetooth
[19:08] <cmaloney> depending on the home layout
[19:08]  * cmaloney doesn't trust GPS, even though every single photograph I take at home practically shows our address in the lat / long
[19:09] <cmaloney> I hate heisenbugs where something bitched about a unicode issue and now I can't repeat it with the debugger.
[19:10] <jrwren> ya know what... on second thought... rick_h DO NOT GET A VIVINT SYSTEM.... I don't want you complaining to me when things aren't quite right.  :)
[19:21] <cmaloney> Oh please get one now
[19:22] <rick_h> LoL
[19:25] <jrwren> "i don't work on that part" :)
[20:25] <jrwren> man... resurecting an ancient 16.10 installation is kind of a pain :)
[20:25] <cmaloney> Oh my
[20:26] <cmaloney> Any particular reason to go back that far?
[20:26] <cmaloney> since it's no longer supported?
[20:31] <jrwren> none other than a broken laptop has been sitting on a shelf for a year and I finally got aorund to repurposing it.
[20:31] <jrwren> The display is literally cracked, but I want to plug it into a TV.
[20:32] <jrwren> install from scratch is a challenge because of that broken display, so it is easier to upgrade the existing installation.
[20:43] <cmaloney> Ah
[20:43] <cmaloney> Good luck
[20:43]  * cmaloney wondered if he should pull down the Asus Eee and install Freedos on it
[20:43] <jrwren> seemed to work ok, just a bit of fun.
[20:44] <cmaloney> since that's about all that will run on it
[20:54] <jrwren> find an ancient distro of the day?
[21:17] <cmaloney> heh
[22:48] <greg-g> I need to reinstall on my eeepc for a workout video machine for Carrie (her request!). Got a monitor for the garage to plug it into
[23:23] <jrwren> mission accomplished, it even upgraded to wayland and works great with a TV.