[00:01] <phillijw> just installed 16.04 desktop and want to get visuals looking right. I see a lot of tearing. One monitor is on intel graphics and the other is radeon. Where do I start?
[00:01] <phillijw> whe I google I get stuff from like... 5 years ago that is irrelevant now
[00:03] <roses> i dont need to repost my question,correct?
[00:07] <LiftLeft> I'll ask in ##linux
[00:13] <BillD73> phillijw: I'd start by verifying I have the latest drivers from manufacturer, aka 3rd party.
[00:14] <mads_> Hi. Can anyone tell me a place in Ubuntu where I can trigger an event sound? Like deleting a file, ... Anyone?
[00:17] <dman777> what is the xenialxerus sournce list? I added add-apt-repository "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ -updates xenial-xerus universe multiverse" but doing a update it complained it was wrong
[00:19] <nacc> dman777: huh?
[00:19] <nacc> dman777: you were on 17.04, why are you doing xenial?
[00:21] <dman777> nacc: I thought I would upgrade to the latest LTS
[00:21] <nacc> dman777: that would be a *downgrade*
[00:21] <nacc> dman777: which is not supported
[00:21] <nacc> dman777: you would need to reinstall if you want xenial (16.04)
[00:23] <dman777> nacc: ah...i see. thanks
[00:24] <dedondesta> guys how do i fix this? E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/mysql-server_5.7.20-0ubuntu0.17.04.1_all.deb  404  Not Fo
[00:24] <dedondesta> und [IP: 141.30.62.24 80]
[00:24] <Zaliek> Did you do apt update first?
[00:25] <dedondesta> Zaliek: yes i tried
[00:25] <phillijw> I installed 16.04 last night to my main desktop machine. Did I make a mistake? Should I have done 17 instead?
[00:25] <dedondesta> Zaliek: E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[00:25] <Mathisen> dedondesta, i can only see http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/mysql-server_5.7.20-0ubuntu0.17.10.1_all.deb
[00:26] <Mathisen> dedondesta, there is non there for 17.04
[00:26] <dedondesta> Mathisen: how do i fix this issue?
[00:26] <hggdh> phillijw: 16.04 will be supported for 5 years. Unless you are willng to upgrade to a new Ubuntu release every 6-to-9 months, 16.04 is perfect
[00:26] <dedondesta> Mathisen: have i messed with repos ?
[00:26] <dman777> what would be the repo name for ArtfulAardvark? is it camel case or snake case?
[00:26] <Mathisen> dedondesta, you cant look here http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/
[00:26] <Mathisen> nothing there
[00:26] <Mathisen> not he one you want/need atleast
[00:27] <Mathisen> the*
[00:27] <phillijw> hggdh: Do you have any recommendations for finding answers to my questions? Google is filled with crap from 8+ years ago. Have any suggestions for filtering out all the junk?
[00:27] <hggdh> dedondesta: 17.04 is no longer supported
[00:27] <dedondesta> hggdh: what do i do?
[00:28] <hggdh> dedondesta: if you are running 17.04, you will need to upgrade to 17.10
[00:29] <hggdh> phillijw: no, you did not make a mistake. 16.04 is -- again -- a long term supported release
[00:29] <dedondesta> hggdh: this is vps, is it possible to upgrade on virtual guest?
[00:29] <Mathisen> yes it is
[00:29] <Mathisen> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:30] <Mathisen> reboot the vm then " sudo do-release-upgrade "
[00:30] <phillijw> I wish there was a "getting started" guide for things that everyone wants such as an experience without screen tearing. Basics like that would really help a lot. Is there a such a thing? I'm not seeing anything quite like that in the official docs
[00:31] <Zaliek> Having screen tearing is not a normal problem to have on the desktop
[00:31] <dedondesta> Mathisen: thank you, i'll try to upgrade
[00:32] <Zaliek> Usually because vsync is on
[00:32] <phillijw> Zaliek: I've been trying to figure out how to turn off vsync for a few hours. Everything I'm reading is old or the file isn't in that one spot or.. etc
[00:32] <Zaliek> vsync is what prevents screen tearing
[00:33] <batmensch> Hello, I'm trying to configure my Logitech Marble Mouse when running with Wayland and Ubuntu 17.10.  So far I've had no luck.  Works fine with xorg.
[00:33] <nacc> dedondesta: 18/-4 os ep;
[00:33] <phillijw> on/off, whatever. I just want to change it to the opposite of what its at now. I'm not the one that disabled it
[00:33] <Zaliek> Do you get tearing if you're just using a single monitor after disconnecting the other?
[00:33] <dedondesta> Mathisen: i can't do apt-get update
[00:33] <dedondesta> Mathisen: gives me errors
[00:33] <nacc> dedondesta: what errors? did you do `sudo apt-get update` ?
[00:33] <dedondesta> E: The repository 'http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[00:33] <phillijw> so, funny thing... I have a radeon card + intel graphics. One monitor is plugged into one, the other into the other. I can unplug one to see
[00:33] <dedondesta> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[00:34] <nacc> !eolupgrade | dedondesta
[00:34] <vaheder> batmensch: how are you trying to configure it now? xinput? or a config file for xorg?
[00:34] <nacc> dedondesta: follow that guide, please.
[00:34] <dedondesta> thank you, i'll try
[00:34] <Zaliek> phillijw, it could also be a problem where your monitors are using different refresh rates and it's confusing or turning off vsync
[00:34] <nacc> dedondesta: and unless you are willing to upgrade very 9 months, let me suggest you only install / use the LTS release
[00:35] <batmensch> vaheder: I have the libinput file that worked under xorg on 17.04 (and still works now), and I was trying some xinput stuff I found on the web.
[00:35] <phillijw> Zaliek: Possibly.. they're literally the exact same monitors though
[00:35] <Zaliek> Or it could be bad interactions between the two GPUs, or one is broken
[00:35] <batmensch> vaheder: does Wayland still use libinput?  Is there somewhere else for the libinput file?
[00:35] <phillijw> unplugging my radeon monitor just lagged my machine out. The letters I'm typing don't show up for several seconds
[00:36] <vaheder> batmensch: libinput and wayland interact differently. basically, the DE is now responsible for configuration. http://who-t.blogspot.com/2017/05/xinput-list-shows-xwayland-pointer.html
[00:36] <Zaliek> On old hardware you probably need to reboot after messing with monitors
[00:36] <batmensch> vaheder:  I'm sorry, DE?
[00:36] <nacc> batmensch: desktop environment
[00:37] <phillijw> i'll be right back then
[00:37] <batmensch> vaheder: oh, got it. sorry, missed your link in the noise ;)
[00:37] <batmensch> vaheder: ok, that should help, thanks
[00:37] <vaheder> batmensch: Desktop Enviornment. I was trying to get tap lock turned off under Gnome with Wayland, and I was able to change a gnome configuration key in dconf to get it to work, because their configuration interface didn't yet support it
[00:38] <batmensch> vaheder: well, that's not ... intimidating.  Yeesh. gsettings?
[00:39] <vaheder> batmensch: yeah
[00:39] <vaheder> batmensch: thankfully the key was defined there
[00:39] <vaheder> batmensch: what are you trying to configure?
[00:39] <vaheder> batmensch: there's also the possibility you might find what you need in gnome tweaks, if you haven't looked there already
[00:40] <batmensch> vaheder: i'm trying to get scrolling working with the track ball.
[00:40] <dman777> nacc: I ended up using do-release-upgrade which is far easier than what the link on the topic gives. Why didn't the link just recommend using do-release-upgrade?
[00:41] <batmensch> vaheder: the expected behavior is that I can hold down the 2nd mouse button and then move the trackball to scroll the screen.
[00:41] <batmensch> vaheder: current, hitting that button sends me to the previous page in Chrome.  Not fun.
[00:42] <batmensch> vaheder: I think I have to turn on emulate 3 buttons and switch button 2 with button 8
[00:42] <nacc> dman777: uh, it does?
[00:42] <nacc> dman777: without trying to be offensive, did you carefully read the page?
[00:42] <nacc> dman777: it tells you to 1) change your sources.list; update your OS to be fully up to date with old-releases; then do-release-upgrade
[00:43] <nacc> sorry, taht should have been 1); 2); then 3)
[00:43] <vaheder> batmensch: not sure about remapping, but this might help: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/7lkpun/configure_mouse_buttons_in_wayland/
[00:43] <dman777> nacc: what I read was to do apt-get dist-upgrade and so on
[00:43] <nacc> dman777: right
[00:43] <nacc> read the next line.
[00:44] <nacc> dman777: based upon our interaction so far, I really can't tell if you're simply ignoring my advice, tbh
[00:44] <dman777> nacc: but with this other guide I didn't have to update sources list or apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:44] <batmensch> vaheder: thanks, I'll look into that.  Damn, every release its something else.
[00:44] <nacc> dman777: the upgrade coudl have failed then
[00:45] <vaheder> batmensch: this is a big change, but I know how you feel :p
[00:45] <dman777> nacc: it's still running ... no failures yet
[00:45] <nacc> dman777: i said *could*
[00:45] <hggdh> well, still *can*
[00:45] <nacc> dman777: again, the guide is giving you steps that try to work in all cases
[00:45] <nacc> dman777: if you choose to skip, ignore or otherwise do something else, well, sure that might work
[00:49] <Guest96851> Does anyone know how I can adjust my touchpad sensitivity? Synaptics touchpad on Ubuntu 16.04
[00:49] <phillijw> ok so this is weird... I unplug my radeon monitor and my machine is slow as hell, even after a reboot. I plug it back in and everything goes back to normal (still have tearing tho)
[00:49] <dedondesta> nacc: this page looks outdated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades is it still applicable?
[00:50] <nacc> dedondesta: for what?
[00:50] <vaheder> Guest96851: these links might help - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/touchpad_pressure.html#touchpad_pressure_hwdb
[00:50] <Guest96851> Does anyone know how I can adjust my touchpad sensitivity? Synaptics touchpad on Ubuntu 16.04
[00:50] <nacc> dedondesta: if you are doing an eol upgrade, yes it is
[00:50] <dedondesta> nacc: for 17.04 to 17.10
[00:50] <nacc> dedondesta: yes
[00:54] <dedondesta> nacc:  aptitude: command not found
[00:54] <dedondesta> nacc: and i can't install it
[00:55] <nacc> dedondesta: i don't know why it tells you to use aptitude, just use apt-get
[00:55] <dedondesta> nacc: so i just add universe multiverse ?
[00:55] <nacc> dedondesta: what?
[00:55] <dedondesta> to sources and thats it?
[00:55] <nacc> dedondesta: no
[00:55] <nacc> dedondesta: you are changing the archive
[00:55] <dedondesta> /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:56] <nacc> dedondesta: yes, read what is there now and compare to what the wiki page says
[00:56] <nacc> totally different URLs
[00:56] <dedondesta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades i'm reading from upgrading
[00:56] <nacc> dedondesta: yes, the very first block is "udpate sources.list"
[00:56] <nacc> dedondesta: compare the entry there to what is your file
[00:56] <nacc> it will be different
[00:56] <dman777> nacc: the upgrade worked. It's near impossible to update a srouce list. Not sure why that is on the  link when I didn't have to
[00:57] <nacc> dman777: i have already explained why
[00:57] <nacc> dman777: and it's not impossible
[00:57] <nacc> dman777: also, as i said, if you're not willing to do this, don't run non-lts
[00:57] <nacc> dman777: as keep in mind you need to do this again in about 6 months
[00:57] <nacc> dman777: (well not exactly this, but upgrading)
[00:57] <dedondesta> nacc: may i ask you to look at my sources.list?
[00:57] <dman777> nacc: ah...ok. good to know. thanks
[00:58] <nacc> dedondesta: if you want to, but honestly, just make it match what the wiki says
[00:59] <dedondesta> nacc: https://pastebin.com/n8k1tvvu
[00:59] <nacc> dedondesta: ok, so you're going to comment out everything that is not allready in that file
[00:59] <nacc> dedondesta: and insert lines that match the wiki
[00:59] <nacc> dedondesta: with zesty for CODENAME
[00:59] <nacc> easy-peasy
[01:00] <Guest96851> Does anyone know how I can adjust my touchpad sensitivity? Synaptics touchpad on Ubuntu 16.04
[01:01] <phillijw> there is a "Mouse & Touchpad" settings option. Just go in there
[01:04] <dedondesta> nacc: so i comment out everything and only leave 3 lines from the wiki?
[01:05] <nacc> dedondesta: yes, the end result is the only uncommented lines should be the ones from the wiki
[01:07] <dedondesta> nacc: thank you, what are backports for, do i need them?
[01:09] <dedondesta> nacc: nm, i'll google
[01:09] <dedondesta> nacc: thank you
[01:11] <nacc> dedondesta: yw
[01:11] <phillijw> I'm trying to follow this but the xorg folder doesn't even exist. https://askubuntu.com/questions/921755/screen-tearing-with-intel-graphics
[01:11] <nacc> !backports | dedondesta
[01:11] <nacc> dedondesta: basically, you want the *exact* same sources.list you have now, except using old-releases instead of whatever mirror you have now
[01:12] <nacc> dedondesta: because that's the only place the packages still exist
[01:14] <Guest96851> Phillij there are no Mouse and Touchpad settings for Sensitivity. They are only for Pointer Speed
[01:15] <Guest96851> I need to adjust the touchpad sensitivity, not the Pointer Speed. My question was clear.
[01:15] <vaheder> phillijw: you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d? you can create it and X will read the config files in there in addition to the ones in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d (and one or two other places, I think)
[01:17] <phillijw> Guest96851: Sounds like the issue is that your touchpad settings aren't showing up which is a different question than you asked
[01:18] <pankaj> I want image to be displayed in my terminal window. How to do that?
[01:18] <Guest96851> You are just trying to worm out of the fact that you gave me terrible advice, pal.
[01:19] <KrisWood> Hi everyone. I've got an Ubuntu Server 17.04 machine and I've decided I want to VNC into it after all but I'm having a hell of a time trying to get a VNC server up and running. I've tried tutorials online for vnc4server and tightvnc but neither seems to have worked. Could someone please recommend the easiest VNC server to get up and running and a tutorial for how to do it?
[01:19] <Guest96851> Don't listen to him folks, he's using Google for his replies.
[01:19] <Guest96851> Any actual Ubuntu experts on here?
[01:22] <phillijw> Guest96851: I think I found the answer on google. You'll find it eventually
[01:23] <electricmilk> What's wrong with using Google
[01:23] <electricmilk> ?
[01:33] <dedondesta> Mathisen:  sudo do-release-upgrade  comand not found
[01:36] <Guest96851> Because there's a lot of old and bad advice on Google
[01:37] <phillijw> Guest96851: did you already try this old, bad advice? https://askubuntu.com/questions/778716/how-to-alter-touchpad-settings-on-ubuntu-gnome-16-04
[01:54] <xs2> is this a known issue?
[01:54] <xs2> dpkg: error processing package oracle-java9-installer (--configure):
[01:54] <xs2> for three days already
[02:04] <Bashing-om> xs2: QIII says : " Andrei is a one-man-show now. He will get it updated, but he's probably up to his armpits in alligators.
[02:04] <Bashing-om> "
[02:07] <xs2> ...
[02:08] <phillijw> so I was screwing around with my xorg files and now I can't get on my computer at all. It won't boot into anything. Any idea how to fix this?
[02:08] <phillijw> it first asks me for my encryption password (for the hd) and then tries to load up and... crashes
[02:11] <kenrin> switch to another tty and fix xorg
[02:13] <KrisWood> how do you install a desktop on ubuntu server 17.04?
[02:13] <dais> anybody on that can help me out?
[02:14] <BillD73> dais: ask the question if some1 can help they will
[02:14] <kenrin> KrisWood: You use apt the same way as any other software you want to install
[02:14] <phillijw> I can't switch to another tty
[02:15] <kenrin> For example "sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop" for unity
[02:15] <dais> my computer will only boot on recovery mode
[02:15] <kenrin> phillijw: Did you mess with more than xorg?  You should be able to ctrl+alt+f1
[02:15] <BillD73> dais: ok did you run an update in recovery mode
[02:15] <phillijw> kenrin: nope
[02:15] <kenrin> If you can't do that then run recovery mode
[02:16] <BillD73> update-grub
[02:16] <phillijw> I think I was able to get into recovery mode on the 4th try
[02:16] <dais> billD73 yes i have
[02:16] <KrisWood> kenrin, I was trying to get xfce4 working but didn't have any luck with it. I'll give ubuntu-desktop a try
[02:16] <kenrin> xfce is just "xubuntu-desktop"
[02:17] <KrisWood> kenrin, I tried that but it complained about not having $DISPLAY or somesuch
[02:17] <phillijw> so all I did was add an "Intel Graphics" section to my xorg.... not sure how this is crashing things.
[02:18] <phillijw> this is so broken lol.. even safeboot is wigging out
[02:18] <KrisWood> Failed to init libxconf: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11.
[02:20] <phillijw> jesus this is garbage. I have to unplug my machinet o restart it because its that frozen. Even though cursor is blinking
[02:20] <kenrin> Sounds like you are trying to do this over ssh and don't have x forwarding enabled
[02:20]  * phillijw deletes the xorg file
[02:21] <KrisWood> kenrin, that is exactly what it sounds like. do I have to go down to the basement and start x? XD
[02:21] <anthonysalamanca> hey, where should i go to get help with my computer? me and a bud (both cs students) just spent two hours trying to unfuck it
[02:21] <kenrin> It would be easier than installing an x11 client and messing with configs ;P
[02:21] <phillijw> anthonysalamanca: yeah, I mean, this would be the place...
[02:22] <dais> i get a message "fb: switching to amdgpudrmfb from EFI VGA" i'm not sure what this means or how to fix it
[02:22] <phillijw> can anyone help me set up this xorg file without completely jacking up my machine this time?
[02:23] <anthonysalamanca> alright, so, fresh install of ubuntu, and it's bootlooping after the lenovo splash screen. slightly lit black screen to full black screen, only to go back to boot device selection.
[02:23] <anthonysalamanca> mind you i've formatted the entire drive multiple times
[02:24] <BillD73> dais: likely your onboard vga adapter didnt detect a monitor but found a amd video adaptor  with a monitor... just a thought you have 2 video adaptors vga and hdmi possibly?
[02:26] <positiveturning> evening'. can anyone help me troubleshoot a wireless adapter issue?
[02:26] <Bashing-om> anthonysalamanca: nvidia graphic's card ?
[02:27] <dais> BillD73 yes, i do see 1 hdmi connections and 1 vga connections
[02:27] <anthonysalamanca> Bashing-om: yessir
[02:28] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | anthonysalamanca Try this and advise :
[02:28] <Guddu> Is there a way to list all files with the ^M Characters using grep?
[02:29] <orizzle> I am trying to compile a kernel module for a precompiled kernel but get " nfs: version magic '2.6.23.9-rt13 SMP preempt mod_unload 586 ' should be '2.6.23.9-rt13 SMP preempt mod_unload 586 REGPARM ' " - is there a way to add "REGPARM" on the end of my module version magic?
[02:34] <BillD73> dais: so whats the issue?
[02:37] <KrisWood> kenrin, I'm unstuck now, thanks!
[02:38] <dais> BillD73: i don't know how to fix it so that it doesnt show that message and it boots normally
[02:38] <BillD73> dais:  sorry i forgot  your only booting in recovery mode...
[02:44] <BillD73> dais: when it happens to me. I get into recovery mode.  terminal sudo update-grub       sudo apt update    reboot an usually I'm in good shape  also  if you have more then 1 image, have youtried one of those as well?
[02:45] <KrisWood> kenrin, I have VNC on my ubuntu server, thank you!!!
[02:45] <KrisWood> Now to get virtualbox running....
[02:46] <dais> BillD73: I've tried it and it still doesn't boot completely. It just gets stuck on the same message
[02:47] <phillijw> if I have intel and radeon cards, do I have to include both in my xorg file?
[02:47] <BillD73> ok so In recovery mode  have you tried updating the video drivers to the 3rd party?
[02:47] <BillD73> dais: ^^
[02:47] <dais> BillD73: how do i do that?
[02:50] <BillD73> dais: guess that would depend on the scenario lol  nvidia card since its saying amd...?
[02:50] <Alpha-Omega> Hey guys, Just recently whenever I start any of the Virtual Machines in Virtualbox, it causes my whole computer to crash. I assume it's a kernel panic, because not even REISUB allows it to reboot, and I need to powercycle manually.
[02:50] <Alpha-Omega> I haven't changed anything on my machine besides adding a swap partition.
[02:51] <Alpha-Omega> Are there any logs I can provide to troubleshoot?
[02:51] <dais> I'm not sure what i have but it says AMD
[02:51] <Alpha-Omega> I'm on 16.04.3, fully updated.
[02:57] <phillijw> i.. i.. i just want this damn tearing to go away. Why does this have to be overly complicated?
[02:58] <dais> BillD73: When I go to "additional drivers" it says "Uknown: Uknown This device is using an alternative driver" the option "Using Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs from amd64-microcode
[02:59] <BillD73> dais: ok so lets try this first    sudo update-pciids
[03:00] <lwizardl> kis there a way to enable wifi direct in ubuntu/xubuntu?
[03:00] <BillD73> dais: then run this       lspci | grep VGA
[03:01] <dais> BillD73: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R4/R5 Graphics] (rev 05)
[03:02] <Zythyr> I isntalled Ubuntu Server which included LAMP server. LAMP comes with Apache, but if I install Ngix, will this conflict?
[03:03] <BillD73> dais: so   its an ATI radeon AMD powered chipset
[03:04] <BillD73> dais:  tried this yet?    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjqxeqxhePYAhUCWa0KHTn5DewQFggpMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FVideoDriverHowto&usg=AOvVaw1R891Uuj3MvDS5B4b1LDGD
[03:05] <BillD73> oops  gues s I could wnt to askubuntu first lol
[03:05] <BillD73> woulda made a nicer url lol
[03:10] <rumflump> is this normal? "The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file."
[03:11] <Bashing-om> !zesty | rumflump
[03:11] <rumflump> !eolupgrade | thanks
[03:12] <dais> BillD73: no i haven't let me try it now and i'll be back with an update
[03:12] <BillD73> dais: ok
[03:20] <bilm> I have a vi(ex) question
[03:27] <Random832> !ask
[03:30] <hggdh> bilm: just go ahead and ask your question. If someone in here knows about it, they will answer
[03:35] <koolkalang> hello everyrone - when I'm on my intel graphics card, I can only get on wayland, but my other desktops fail (i3, xubuntu, ubuntu on xorg)
[03:36] <koolkalang> and when I'm on my nvidia card, I can go to everything, but ubuntu default w/ wayland doesn't even show up
[03:39] <Bashing-om> koolkalang: Currently, wayland has no nvidia proprietary driver support .
[03:39] <koolkalang> Bashing-om: I guess that explains it not showing up when the nvidia card is used
[03:40] <koolkalang> Bashing-om: but I'm not sure why the other desktops fail on intel
[03:40] <koolkalang> I can get on the greeter/gdm, but the screen freezes right when I login into any one of them on intel
[03:40] <Bashing-om> koolkalang: for wayland it is the nouveau driver in the nvidia environment .
[03:42] <Bashing-om> koolkalang: Might take a look at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file . See if it is sane .
[03:45] <koolkalang> https://pastebin.com/Z0yqm4Gf
[03:48] <Bashing-om> koolkalang: Looks to me as if the nvidia proprietary driver is installed . ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' to confirm .
[03:49] <HappyHotDog> Is there any way to move the indicator icons on the top panel in 16.04?
[03:50] <HappyHotDog> I've found a couple of resources on ubuntu forums but they're all for older distros and don't seem to work
[03:52] <koolkalang> Bashing-om: yeah the proprietary drivers are installed, I did switch it
[03:53] <koolkalang> I guess I'm fine with nvidia not seeing wayland, more concerned with the intel card
[04:00] <Bashing-om> koolkalang: revert to nouveau, maybe then Intel will be happy .
[04:00] <koolkalang> Bashing-om: will do
[04:00] <koolkalang> just for ref I think it's this bug:
[04:00] <koolkalang> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1637733
[04:02] <Bashing-om> koolkalang: Well, only a maybe . prime-select is for the nouvea driver - iirc .
[04:08] <Zombie> Error: Connection activation failed: Connection 'Ethernet connection Main' is not available on the device enp0s3 at this time.
[04:08] <Zombie> Issues with Network Manager
[04:12] <dais> BillD73: it didn’t work. When I input the first command “cd usr/share/ati” it says no such file or directory
[04:13] <rumflump> on 17.04, when I attempt to dist-upgrade, it only updates my software
[04:14] <rumflump> nvm, it's supposed to be do-release-upgrade
[04:20] <koolkalang> So, installing nouveau drivers makes prime-select not really useful
[04:21] <koolkalang> it overrides both options as mesa lol
[04:22] <koolkalang> and xubuntu loads fine, but i3 just crawls and barely works with nouveau
[04:33] <semitones> hey everyone. how do you close a byobu window when you're done with it (not close the whole session)
[04:33] <Sveta> ctrl+a, d
[04:33] <Sveta> (assuming it's using the same shortcuts as gnu screen)
[04:35] <semitones> Sveta: unfortunately ctrl a,d closes the whole ssh session
[04:35] <osirus126> Just use ctrl+d
[04:35] <semitones> I just want to close one of the windows I opened with f2
[04:35] <semitones> i'll try just ctrl d
[04:35] <osirus126> Ctrl+a d detatches but leaves open
[04:35] <semitones> yeah just ctrl d works! Thanks
[04:36] <osirus126> The exit command works also
[04:37] <joegiampaoli> Anyone having problems with the QT interface in latest VirtualBox version in Ubuntu 16.04? It looks terrible, any tips? I already tried adjusting my QT appearance preferences...
[04:38] <Sveta> semitones: yeah sorry, I misread, thought you meant detaching the whole thing
[05:00] <Sveta> joegiampaoli, perhaps uploading a screenshot somewhere could help others to identify the problem
[05:04] <john> hello
[05:05] <john> i am a new ubuntu budgie
[05:08] <Sveta> hi john (Guest68562)
[05:10] <aleph-TA> hey, can anyone help me figure out how to get ubuntu to output to my nvidia gpu instead of the amd gpu when it boots?
[05:18] <HamRadio> Hey guys
[05:19] <HamRadio> I got a question, i want to install Ubuntu on my main desktop, so how wise would it be to install Ubuntu 17.10 and upgrade to 18.04, or should I just wait for 18.04
[05:20] <aleph-TA> that's probably fine, shouldn't be any problems upgrading. only issues with installing 17.10 would be if some SW you need is only for 16.04
[05:22] <HamRadio> Thanks, you think there is gonna be software available for 16.04 that isn't for 17.10?
[05:23] <aleph-TA> amdgpu-pro for one
[05:24] <HamRadio> Hmmm, well all i have is intel and Nvidia
[05:25] <aleph-TA> the nvidia closed source should support 17.10, if not the most recent ones, then the ones that are in the default repos
[05:26] <HamRadio> Ok, cool. Thanks
[05:26] <HamRadio> Any other thoughts
[05:31] <yetoo> Does anyone else boot into initramfs with an error that the set UUID coul not be boot from in the 4.13.0-17-generic kernel?
[05:33] <yetoo> The 4.10.0-19 kernel works fine though
[05:33] <yetoo> The recovery for 4.13 doesn't work
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> yetoo: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> yetoo: lsb_release -a
[05:41] <NoBoot> Hi. I've finally got around to cleaning out my "no space available," boot folder, and the autoremove --purge command I used purged a ton of stuff. I'm currently updating my boot image and whatnot, but would like to know if there's some way I can check if the computer will actually boot, should I restart it (without restarting it).
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> NoBoot: why would you not test boot?
[05:45] <NoBoot> As in restart the machine? I don't want to risk it not restarting properly or at all. Forgive me - I'm not super skilled or knowledgeable with/about ubuntu.
[05:46] <apb1963> aleph-TA, Skip down towards the bottom to post #14 https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?301193-Force-kernel-to-use-a-specific-video-card-output-as-primary  Give it a try, let us know if it works or not.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> NoBoot: rebooting a computer is not so dangerous
[05:47] <aleph-TA> alright, thanks. first i'll need to fix no console on amd now that i set nvidia kms in grub
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> !recovery | NoBoot if things go wrong
[05:48] <NoBoot> Oh. And here I thought I'd banjax it/obliterate my saturday night by screwing up. I'll read that wiki page, and see if it answers my concerns.
[05:50] <NoBoot> Thanks. If you never hear from me again I guess it means things went well.
[05:50] <NuttyNutterson> Can someone hep me out with installing this package? https://pastebin.com/kYBfzkZu
[05:50] <apb1963> NoBoot, Make sure you have a working LiveCD... that way if you can't boot... you can boot the CD, connect to the Net and work on your system.
[05:52] <oerheks> NuttyNutterson, nobody can, zesty is EOL, dead, upgrade to 17.10 please
[05:53] <aleph-TA> NuttyNutterson: Seems the repo it's pulling from doesn't have that package anymore, it only has -4 instead of -1 now
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> NuttyNutterson: and external ppa's we dont support neither
[05:53] <oerheks> !zesty
[05:54] <apb1963> Hmmm... if 17.10 is EOL... what replaces it?
[05:54] <apb1963> oh.. 17.10
[05:54] <apb1963> nvm...
[05:54] <oerheks> apb1963, 18.04 lts
[05:54] <apb1963> oerheks, really?  When? Now?  Topic doesn't mention it.
[05:55] <yetoo> lotuspsychje It's Ubuntu 18.04
[05:55] <oerheks> 18.04 has its own support channel, until release > #ubuntu+1
[05:55] <baba_> can anyone offer insights on the western digital head parking problem?
[05:56] <oerheks> baba_, they guys in ##hardware can
[05:57] <apb1963> 3 months
[05:57] <baba_> thanks....the reason I asked here was I first came across it in ubuntu and different distros seem to act differently on this
[05:59] <aleph-TA> apb1963: should i just be able to pass video=card# to grub?
[06:01] <NuttyNutterson> When trying to upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10 I get this https://pastebin.com/zFEFfHK1
[06:01] <apb1963> aleph-TA, *shrug*  I only know what it says, and really not even that.  It's a googleball :)
[06:02] <aleph-TA> man, this is such a pita. amd output and nvidia for compute worked without me doing anything
[06:03] <oerheks> NuttyNutterson, hit the update tool, and select 'newer version is available', that command just updates 17.04, not a distro upgrade
[06:04] <apb1963> Random tip of the day: "hwinfo --wlan" gives all the info you could want on your wireless card.  hwinfo does a lot more than that. In the repos. Install it now :)
[06:05] <apb1963> aleph-TA, Some day you'll look back on all this and laugh at how simple it was to get it working, once you found the proper incantation. :)
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> NuttyNutterson: would you risk upgrading un unsecure system?
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> !usn | NuttyNutterson
[06:06] <aleph-TA> idk, seems pretty vague and not well documented. i guess as long as it works and doesn't break for no reason i'll be happy
[06:11] <aleph-TA> great, for some reason it's shitting the bed with some amd-vi issues
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> aleph-TA: keep language familly friendly here plz
[06:19] <rn10950> Hi everybody, I am relatively new to Linux (I am an experienced Windows user) and I am experimenting with a 16.04 install. My Linux partition on my SSD is only 20GB, but I have a big 2TB NTFS storage drive. I was wondering if it was possible to create a 100GB VHD on the storage drive, format it as EXT4, and mount it at /devel. I created the image using dd and mounted it with gnome-disks, but every time I try to write to it I get an access
[06:19] <rn10950> denied error, even from root.
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> !home | rn10950 this what you want?
[06:22] <rn10950> no, I just want to make a seperate EXT4 VHD for development (could you relistically do development work on NTFS?) on my large storage drive and mount it
[06:22] <rn10950> lotuspsychje: ^
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> rn10950: make a partition with gparted?
[06:25] <aleph-TA> welp, guess i'm gonna have to figure this out tomorrow
[06:26] <rn10950> lotuspsychje: If I shrink the big NTFS partition and add a smaller EXT4 one will it mess with the dual-boot and SMB shares (the whole drive is shared on my network in both Windows and Linux using Samba)
[06:27] <rn10950> Will Windows complain that the drive is missing/corrupted?
[06:28] <oerheks> shrink it in windows, diskmanagment
[06:28] <rn10950> OK, I will try that, thank you. I wanted to avoid doing that but I guess it is the ony way to do this
[06:28] <oerheks> that would avoid antivirus or windows itself to complain
[06:33] <toolz> hey guys, is there anyone around available who can help me with my mdadm/raid 1 issue?
[06:33] <papath> ΔΦΔΓ
[06:33] <paniko> ela
[06:33] <papath> EFWER
[06:33] <paniko> milame kai me alous
[06:33] <papath>   80GB WDC WD800AAJS-75
[06:35] <oerheks> !gr | papath paniko
[06:35] <papath> με ακουσ
[06:38] <apb1963> Hmmm.  It's all Greek to me :)
[06:39] <koolkalang> there was a guy here an hour or so ago called something like Bash_om or something like that
[06:39] <koolkalang> I don
[06:39] <koolkalang> 't think hes here, but I solved my screen tearing problem
[06:40] <koolkalang> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2365449
[06:40] <oerheks> Bashing-om left, but i'll pass your succes!
[06:40] <toolz> I got 2 hdds, sda and sdb and 2 md devices: md126 (which I use) and md127 which is unused, but is has Member Arrays : /dev/md126 and /dev/sdb and /dev/sda as raid devices(just like md126) how can I remove md127 as I cannot do anything because it say devices are in use and that md126 is a member array?
[06:40] <oerheks> have fun!
[06:40] <koolkalang> oerheks: cool
[06:41] <koolkalang> yeah it was something a lot of nvidia/intel graphics laptops had
[06:46] <marcoscosmos> Can anyone tell me what daemon Gnome Shell uses to manitain things like gtk themes, etc?
[06:46] <marcoscosmos> e.g. the alternative to unity-settings-daemon
[06:48] <marcoscosmos> (I'm trying to repair/complete an upgrade from 16.04 to 17.10 - semi-customised install (mostly additional packages) - trying to switch to gnome shell as the DE beneath my window manager but gnome-settings-daemon doesn't appear to be installed?)
[06:51] <marcoscosmos> Is anyone around?
[06:54] <fravick> Hi
[06:54] <marcoscosmos> Hi
[06:54] <marcoscosmos> Do you know much about gnome shell? (latest/whatever shipped with 17.10)
[06:59] <fravick> can you say that country are?
[07:02] <marcoscosmos> Australia, is that relevant?
[07:02] <marcoscosmos> Wait
[07:02] <Sveta> it could be but fravick already left
[07:03] <marcoscosmos> Noted
[07:03] <marcoscosmos> I need to disable the join/leave messages
[07:03] <Sveta> you can do that using the options button at the left top
[07:04] <almoxarife[m]> /ignore joins
[07:06] <marcoscosmos> ty
[07:06] <marcoscosmos> There we go
[07:12] <hashestoashes> Does anyone in here use an AMD GPU?  I flashed a new bios to my GPU which increased the mem clock ability, and it works fine and I can select these higher values in Windows, but I am having issues in Linux getting it to work.  I am confused by I hard coded the value in the fw, but linux sees the previous value.
[07:12] <hashestoashes> It's like the driver isn't accepting it...
[07:12] <hashestoashes> This is for ethereum mining btw.
[07:13] <leekh> hi
[07:13] <leekh> 안녕하세요
[07:14] <leekh> 우분투 깔고 테스트중입니다
[07:14] <Sveta> leekh: utf-8 please
[07:18] <tatertots> hashestoashes: i'm afraid your little GPU clock utility is "windows only" ...not only in the system requirements of the software but also in the fact that the changes are not "permanent" "without" the windows software..
[07:18] <tatertots> hashestoashes: this makes you somewhat "dependent" on the windows gpu clocking utility.
[07:19] <tatertots> hashestoashes: after you google a bit and find out the little gpu clocking utility is windows only and the changes are "windows only" also to boot.
[07:22] <hashestoashes> From my googling it appears this is doable in linux as well.  I just find it weird that the driver doesn't honor it since I hardcoded the values in the firmware.
[07:22] <hashestoashes> I am using the AMD blockchain driver... maybe I need to try the open source one
[07:22] <ubuntu> indIana
[07:24] <tatertots> hashestoashes: the fact that the clock setting was NOT permanent, almost suggests you didn't do it as "deep" in the "firmware" as you think/thought...a true "hardware" overclock is OS "independent"
[07:25] <hashestoashes> I know that's what I find odd.  If i load the dumped bios again and look at it, it shows those values.
[07:25] <tatertots> hashestoashes: meaning NOT "dependent" on the users choice or use or changing the "software" operating system....yes a operating system is "software"
[07:25] <hashestoashes> those values are literally flashed
[07:31] <guest-ZcvoYx> test
[07:32] <baba_> 123
[07:32] <tatertots> hashestoashes: yeah "flashed" and held is "software"
[07:32] <tatertots> in
[07:38] <hashestoashes> Wow, asked in ethosdisro for their source since it is based on Ubuntu
[07:38] <hashestoashes> They are violating GPL
[07:38] <hashestoashes> i called them out on it and they kick/banned me
[07:38] <hashestoashes> [00:18] == hashestoashes was kicked from #cryptocurrency by ChanServ [Invite only channel] [00:37] == hashestoashes was kicked from #ethosdistro by THX1138 [call a lawyer]
[07:38] <hashestoashes> They don't provide their source and are in direct violation
[07:40] <jink> hashestoashes: https://www.ubuntu.com/about/contact-us
[07:41] <jink> hashestoashes: Basically, you can e-mail legal@canonical.com and ask, I suppose.  That's close enough to "call a lawyer", I guess.
[07:48] <Traveage> 有人吗
[07:49] <Traveage> hello?
[07:49] <Traveage> 有人吗
[07:49] <NuttyNutterson> It appears I can copy things from my mounted windows partition into ubuntu but I can't copy things from ubuntu into my windows paritition
[07:49] <Traveage> anybody here？
[07:49] <NuttyNutterson> Is that normal and is there a workaround?
[07:50] <Traveage> no
[07:50] <Traveage> can you speak chinese?
[07:50] <mst89> lol
[07:51] <Traveage> hello?
[07:51] <NuttyNutterson> 没有
[07:52] <Traveage> 这不是吗
[07:52] <Traveage> 来来来加好友
[07:57] <hashestoashes> Email sent to canonical legal.  Going to email GPL, FSF and Richard Stallman too
[07:58] <jink> hashestoashes: (Y)
[07:58] <hashestoashes> F*ck those guys!
[07:58] <mst89>  hashestoashes: good job!
[07:58] <hashestoashes> That's some bs, and they are such dicks about it too!
[07:59] <hashestoashes> This is the email i sent to canonical legal
[07:59] <hashestoashes> To Whom it May Concern:  I recently was interested in trying out the EthOS distribution which is a customized Ubuntu version for cryptocurrency miners.  EthOS is a fork of Ubuntu and contains all of Ubuntu's code.  They have merely added one some additional scripts and functionality, and packaged it up and sell it.  Ok, that is fine, however, they are required to provide sources, for which they refuse to do so!  I googled looki
[08:00] <hashestoashes> on the web or their page.   I then joined their official IRC chat room and they told me source code is for "paying" customers only and that I wasn't entitled to it.  In order to get access to the source, they said I needed to purchase the product, clearly a GPL violation!  Once you purchase the product, you receive a user/pass to the downloads section.  There is no way to obtain the source without paying!
[08:00] <hashestoashes>  After I showed them the GPL FAQ detailing this was against GPL, they kicked me from the room and told me to get a lawyer!  [00:37] == hashestoashes was kicked from #ethosdistro by THX1138 [call a lawyer]  EthOS is BLATANTLY violating the GPL as well as other Ubuntu licenses and agreements.
[08:01] <marcoscosmos_> That is severely dissappointing
[08:01] <marcoscosmos_> You'd think they'd be more aware of themselves..
[08:01] <marcoscosmos_> oh
[08:01] <marcoscosmos_> whops..
[08:02] <hashestoashes> Ive read about this before too.   I tried to get the source a few months back and ran into issues.  Fuck them.  I hope they get sued!
[08:02] <hashestoashes> These guys are making MILLIONS!
[08:03] <hashestoashes> EthOS is pretty much the most popular mining distro around
[08:03] <hashestoashes> And they charge $29-$39 for it per download
[08:03] <hashestoashes> No sources available ANYWHERE!  It is a ubuntu fork too :(
[08:05] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: millions of pretend money
[08:06] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: also, I'm not sure you understand how GPL licensing works
[08:07] <michael2> hashestoashes: how are the packages installed on EthOS? if its coming from upstream ubuntu binaries and source may be able to be verified by Ubuntu and debian maintainer GPG keys
[08:07] <hashestoashes> Millions of pretend money?  They don't charge crypto for it.
[08:07] <hashestoashes> They charge USD
[08:07] <hashestoashes> $39 US Dollars
[08:07] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: yeah, sure
[08:07] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: and they've sold how many copies?
[08:07] <gordonjcp> two, three?
[08:07] <gordonjcp> any at all?
[08:07] <hashestoashes> ummm you are clueless
[08:07] <hashestoashes> it is the most popular mining distro around
[08:07] <michael2> gordonjcp: what part of the GPL is hashestoashes misunderstanding?
[08:08] <hashestoashes> They have sold hundreds of thousands
[08:08] <gordonjcp> michael2: show me where it's illegal to sell GPLed software
[08:08] <hashestoashes> It's not illegal
[08:08] <hashestoashes> it's illegal not to provide source
[08:08] <mst89> u need to provide source
[08:08] <hashestoashes> and telling me to pay for source
[08:08] <michael2> exactly
[08:08] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: only the GPLed bits
[08:08] <hashestoashes> They provide 0 source, and tell me to pay for it
[08:08] <hashestoashes> that is illegal
[08:08] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: and there's no need to distribute the Ubuntu sources, because Canonical already do that
[08:08] <hashestoashes> and against GPL
[08:09] <michael2> ah gordonjcp may have a point there
[08:09] <mst89> maybe
[08:09] <marcoscosmos> The legal question here is: is it legal to only provide source code to purchasers? They're not neccessarily legally stopping others from redistributing
[08:09] <michael2> only the GPL bits - its how Apple ship bash and other GPL on OSX
[08:09] <marcoscosmos> I think it's probably a gray area
[08:09] <hashestoashes> It is illegal
[08:09] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: that depends on which bits they're providing
[08:09] <hashestoashes> this is how linksys got introuble
[08:09] <hashestoashes> They finally got sued by the FSF
[08:10] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: not the same thing
[08:10] <hashestoashes> and had to provide source to their bins
[08:10] <hashestoashes> for their routers
[08:10] <semitones_rex> Hi, how does gparted know what devices are plugged in, and can I find out the same thing on the cli?
[08:10] <hashestoashes> https://www.reddit.com/r/EtherMining/comments/7fa89s/you_should_report_ethos_for_violating_the_gnu_gpl/
[08:10] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: linksys were producing their own OS image based on GPLed sources, for which they need to distribute sources *for the GPLed parts*
[08:10] <hashestoashes> seems im not the only one!
[08:11] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: I sell an Ubuntu-based software product, as it happens
[08:11] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: I don't redistribute the Ubuntu parts of it because you can just get that off Canonical
[08:11] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: it's a bunch of fairly specialised proprietary software that installs onto a plain vanilla Ubuntu Server 16.04 image
[08:12] <gordonjcp> obviously I don't distribute source for the bits I wrote
[08:12] <gordonjcp> I fold patches to GPLed components of it back upstream, where they are available to apply to the vanilla upstream versions if you care to do so
[08:13] <hashestoashes> Ethos modifies GPL'd components
[08:13] <hashestoashes> but doesn't provide source to it
[08:13] <hashestoashes> and sells it
[08:13] <hashestoashes> as their own
[08:13] <marcoscosmos> gordonjcp: could you elaborate? My understanding is that anyone who has access to binaries must also have access to source, but you could theoretically have fully private projects based on GPL software as long as they don't ship? Are their advertising constraints or such?
[08:13] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: okay, then that's different - can you point to something specific
[08:13] <mst89> hasestoashes: how do u know they modify those components?
[08:13] <semitones_rex> is it dmesg?
[08:13] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: you have to publish your modifications to GPLed software
[08:14] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: if what you ship is just what you got from the developer, there's no point in you providing the source too
[08:14] <hashestoashes> It is a ubuntu fork and they customized it.  It is totally gpl'd and bastardized versions of it that they choose not to release source to
[08:14] <marcoscosmos> If you distribute them, of course.
[08:14] <hashestoashes> It's not a straight 1:1 source clone, they modified it
[08:14] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: in fact, there's an argument that you should *not* provide your own copies of unmodified upstream sources
[08:14] <marcoscosmos> I didn't realise this was talking about modified code
[08:15] <marcoscosmos> (didn't realise it either)
[08:15] <marcoscosmos> yeah I figured there would be gordonjcp
[08:15] <hashestoashes> Btw, for whoever said they weren't popular and maybe sold 1-2 copies?
[08:15] <hashestoashes> http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ethosdistro.com
[08:15] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: the reason you'd not provide unmodified sources is because there's an element of "nothing up my sleeve" there
[08:15] <marcoscosmos> Ah
[08:16] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: how does this affect you *personally*?
[08:16] <hashestoashes> They are ranked 19K in the US
[08:16] <michael2> well under the GPLv3 - you dont have to ship the code - simly "communicating" the software is enough to require you to provide the source if you used GPL'ed components in your software
[08:16] <hashestoashes> I am a miner and I wanted to modify their code
[08:16] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: so you want to take other people's work and make money off it?
[08:16] <hashestoashes> no
[08:16] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: sure sounds like it
[08:16] <hashestoashes> I want to modify it for my own needs
[08:16] <gordonjcp> uh-huh, which are?
[08:16] <hashestoashes> Why are you attacking me?  I am not the one in violation here.
[08:17] <hashestoashes> I am trying to adhere to the GPL
[08:17] <hashestoashes> they aren't
[08:17] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: start your own fork
[08:17] <hashestoashes> I want to create my own custom dashboard
[08:17] <hashestoashes> For my own reporting purposes
[08:17] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: if they're just modifying existing GPLed code and distributing it, surely you can do the same?
[08:17] <hashestoashes> I would like to fork their code, but I can't... no access to source.
[08:17] <hashestoashes> You don't seem to get it
[08:17] <hashestoashes> this is a futile argument
[08:17] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: but theirs is based off Ubuntu, right?
[08:17] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: so
[08:18] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: if all they're doing is modifying an existing Ubuntu-based distro, what's to stop you doing the same?
[08:18] <mst89> gordonjcp: modifying existing GPLed code requires u to provide source if u sell it?
[08:18] <hashestoashes> I could do the same, but you shouldn't sell it
[08:18] <gordonjcp> mst89: if you *distribute* it
[08:18] <hashestoashes> well you can sell it
[08:18] <hashestoashes> but provide source
[08:18] <hashestoashes> that's all i am asking
[08:18] <mst89> kk
[08:19] <gordonjcp> hashestoashes: perhaps you should point it out to the FSF
[08:19] <hashestoashes> I already emailed GPL and Canonical
[08:19] <gordonjcp> you'd get better results with the FSF
[08:19] <ducasse> hashestoashes: in any case, this is not a support issue - could you please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss?
[08:19] <gordonjcp> ducasse: was just about to wave the !offtopic
[08:19] <hashestoashes> I originally joined here for a support issue lol
[08:19] <hashestoashes> this just manifested
[08:19] <ducasse> but this isn't
[08:27] <tatertots> hashestoashes: you mean the whole "dependent on windows gpu clocking software" issue?
[08:29] <hashestoashes> tatertots: so i flashed these cards so that the mem clock could go to 2200
[08:29] <hashestoashes> Hard coded
[08:29] <hashestoashes> but for some reason, linux still sees it as 1750
[08:29] <hashestoashes> I think I actually may know what's up... going to reflash
[08:30] <hashestoashes> i think I may have set the max to 2200, but maybe the default is set to 1750
[08:30] <hashestoashes> Is there a cli utility so I can change it and test within s/w or do i need to reflash?
[08:31] <ChadTaljaardt> Hello :)
[08:32] <ChadTaljaardt> Can someone help me change my resolution? its not high enough
[08:32] <ChadTaljaardt> it should be 1920x1080
[08:33] <marcoscosmos> Which version of ubuntu are you using, ChadTaljaardt ?
[08:33] <hateball> ChadTaljaardt: do tell what GPU/driver you are using, and what the highest available mode is according to "xrandr"
[08:33] <tatertots> ChadTaljaardt: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[08:34] <ChadTaljaardt> marcoscosmos 17.10
[08:34] <marcoscosmos> oh hi tatertots xD
[08:34] <ChadTaljaardt> I have a HD 6870 Graphcs card
[08:34] <marcoscosmos> okay uh sec
[08:34] <ChadTaljaardt> nope tatertots
[08:34] <ChadTaljaardt> also nice name :D
[08:34] <tatertots> ChadTaljaardt: oh okay
[08:35] <marcoscosmos> there should be a settings/cogs icon along the left bar, ChadTaljaardt ?
[08:35] <ChadTaljaardt> yea
[08:35] <marcoscosmos> click it
[08:35] <ChadTaljaardt> ok
[08:36] <marcoscosmos> and uh. one of the options in there should look like a monitor or say display settings or resolution?
[08:36] <ChadTaljaardt> yeah
[08:36] <marcoscosmos> sorry to be non specific I'm currently trying to repair my installation of 17.10 and apparently the application breaks when I launch it xD
[08:37] <ChadTaljaardt> highest is 1280*1024
[08:37] <marcoscosmos> have you had higher under windows?
[08:37] <ChadTaljaardt> yeah
[08:37] <ChadTaljaardt> 1920*1080
[08:37] <marcoscosmos> okay, then you probably need another driver
[08:38] <marcoscosmos> let me just try and remember how to find that
[08:38] <ChadTaljaardt> thanks a lot :)
[08:39] <marcoscosmos> okay in the settings thing, can you get to system>software & updates>additional drivers?
[08:39] <marcoscosmos> and no worries
[08:39] <ChadTaljaardt> yeah im there
[08:39] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: repair 17.10?  Upgrade it to 17.04 ;-)
[08:40] <ChadTaljaardt> Using processor microcode firmware for AMD CPI's from amd64-mictocode (proprietary)
[08:40] <ChadTaljaardt> CPU's*
[08:40] <Wulf> Good Morning
[08:41] <Wulf> I installed Ubuntu 17.10 on a laptop. I would like to use NetworkManager for my wired ethernet connection, but it says "unmanaged". I suspect that this is somehow caused by systemd. How can I give control over the ethernet back to NetworkManager?
[08:43] <marcoscosmos> well, I say repair but it's not strictly ubuntu that's broken. I'm running a window manager that doesn't have a DE of it's own and previously had unity's services etc running to provide the rest of the DE (e.g. gtk theming etc)
[08:43] <marcoscosmos> Now I'm trying to switch all that over to gnome shell but it's more involved that with most DEs
[08:44] <marcoscosmos> ChadTaljaardt: there aren't any display/graphics related listings there?
[08:44] <goptimus> Yeup guys what's up
[08:44] <marcoscosmos> gordonjcp: so technically it's not broken
[08:44] <ChadTaljaardt> nope
[08:44] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: aha, which window manager?
[08:45] <marcoscosmos> except for my gtk3 theme, button borders dissappeared idk why xD
[08:45] <marcoscosmos> BSPWM gordonjcp
[08:45] <marcoscosmos> yo goptimus
[08:45] <marcoscosmos> okay ChadTaljaardt uh
[08:48] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: I was never a fan of tiling WMs ;-)
[08:48] <marcoscosmos> of you run "apt list | grep intel" what do you get? ChadTaljaardt
[08:48] <marcoscosmos> gordonjcp: I was never a fan of using mice, so  TWMs are a godsend to me xD
[08:50] <ChadTaljaardt> im doing it now hold on :)
[08:50] <marcoscosmos> okay
[08:52] <marcoscosmos> gordonjcp: Apparently gnome's settings daemon is now split up into like a dozen different daemons and I'm wondering if it wouldn't be easier to just use the existing xdg autostart entries but, I don't even know ho xD
[08:56] <ChadTaljaardt> marcoscosmos https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/54a6986459161e7bae1d4982823799c8
[08:58] <marcoscosmos> ok sorry sec
[09:00] <mona_> nica
[09:01] <ChadTaljaardt> Sorry im back, laptop died
[09:01] <ChadTaljaardt> Sorry im back, laptop died
[09:01] <ChadTaljaardt> did i miss anything?
[09:01] <mst89> nope
[09:02] <marcoscosmos> sorry I had to fix something of my own
[09:02] <marcoscosmos> uhm
[09:02] <marcoscosmos> okay so you have the latest driver..
[09:02] <marcoscosmos> ChadTaljaardt: sorry
[09:03] <ChadTaljaardt> Any idea hwo to do that?
[09:05] <marcoscosmos> No like, you have the driver you need already unless
[09:05] <marcoscosmos> have you tried running
[09:05] <marcoscosmos> okay if run "sudo apt-get update"
[09:05] <marcoscosmos> and then
[09:06] <ChadTaljaardt> i ran sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:07] <marcoscosmos> yeah but run sudo apt-get update again now just to see if there's anything that's out of date still
[09:08] <marcoscosmos> I just did the same upgrade and had an xorg update after somehow
[09:08] <marcoscosmos> you can use "apt list --upgradeable" after the apt-get update to see a list of upgradable packages before you install them
[09:09] <ChadTaljaardt> ill try
[09:09] <ChadTaljaardt> :)
[09:09] <marcoscosmos> okie
[09:09] <ChadTaljaardt> Listing... Done
[09:09] <ChadTaljaardt> thats the output
[09:10] <marcoscosmos> okay what about apt list --upgradable?
[09:10] <ChadTaljaardt> same
[09:11] <ChadTaljaardt> seems like im fully up to date
[09:11] <marcoscosmos> damn okay
[09:11] <marcoscosmos> what's the output of xrandr?
[09:12] <nwe> hello, I have setup an pxeboot enviorment, and everything is working execpt that net_cfg=auto and IPAPPEND 1 ksdevice=bootif is enabled i pxelinux.cfg/default
[09:13] <marcoscosmos> Hi nwe that went completely over my head sorry
[09:14] <ChadTaljaardt> http://seashells.io/v/MsdrZSUa
[09:14] <ChadTaljaardt> marcoscosmos thats the output :(
[09:15] <marcoscosmos> Okay.
[09:15] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: I miss fvwm and rc scripts ;-)
[09:15] <marcoscosmos> Yeah that's what I was afraid it'd be, ChadTaljaardt
[09:15] <marcoscosmos> must be a driver issue
[09:15] <ChadTaljaardt> has to be if it works on windows
[09:16] <ChadTaljaardt> maybe my gfx card is unsupported
[09:16] <marcoscosmos> you could maybe try getting a driver from intel more directly? I'm at a bit of a loss here now
[09:16] <ChadTaljaardt> it is kinda old
[09:16] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: I know there's a project to replace systemd in debian with these newfangled init scripts
[09:16] <marcoscosmos> possible
[09:16] <gordonjcp> ChadTaljaardt: what kind of graphics card?
[09:16] <ChadTaljaardt> my graphics card is AMD though?
[09:16] <ChadTaljaardt> HD6870
[09:16] <marcoscosmos> fvwm?
[09:16] <marcoscosmos> Wait if your graphics card is AMD
[09:16] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: old window manager, probably older than half the folk in this channel
[09:17] <marcoscosmos> then you need AMD drivers sorry I thought it was an intel card
[09:17] <marcoscosmos> then yeah you don't have any adm drivers
[09:17] <marcoscosmos> amd*
[09:17] <ChadTaljaardt> yeah
[09:18] <ChadTaljaardt> no idea how to do that haha
[09:18] <marcoscosmos> gordonjcp: I see. Apparently I also have to create some kind of .service that provides org.gnome.SessionManager to run all these mini daemons, gordonjcp
[09:18] <marcoscosmos> -_-
[09:18] <marcoscosmos> wondering if I can just run gnome-session and be done with it..
[09:18] <marcoscosmos> uhm one sec ChadTaljaardt
[09:19] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: ye
[09:19] <gordonjcp> ChadTaljaardt: right your AMD card ought to be supported out of the box
[09:19] <gordonjcp> ChadTaljaardt: if you installed fglrx it might not be though
[09:19] <ChadTaljaardt> i dont think i have
[09:19] <gordonjcp> ChadTaljaardt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[09:20] <marcoscosmos> I've always needed the proprietary drivers for my nvidia card
[09:20] <tomreyn> HD 6870 is a BARTS chipset, supported on all (non EOL) Ubuntu LTS releases (and probably non LTS, too) using the readeon open source driver.
[09:20] <omor> hi
[09:20] <marcoscosmos> the noveau drivers work but not for games, the performance is trash
[09:20] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[09:20] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: that's what I've found, and I think the proprietary drivers no longer support my card
[09:22] <ChadTaljaardt> Under the section of "Testing the driver"
[09:22] <ChadTaljaardt> when i run this
[09:22] <ChadTaljaardt> dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[09:22] <ChadTaljaardt> i get this output
[09:22] <omor> diskin where are you from?
[09:22] <diskin> omor, hi, why are you asking?
[09:23] <ChadTaljaardt> https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/32c0ecd427b7d97bc5041bbc26d68903
[09:23] <ChadTaljaardt> gordonjcp i dont know if this is a issue or not
[09:23] <tomreyn> Pici: good morning, could you check why ubottu's HTTTPS no longer works?
[09:23] <marcoscosmos> I think I'm pretty lucky that my card still has support probably because it's popular for deep learning as an entry level 2gb card
[09:24] <marcoscosmos> now how the frick do I get gnome-session running..
[09:27] <ChadTaljaardt> gordonjcp https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/f0ad4b61b806e775418f9b10a6f5099f
[09:27] <ChadTaljaardt> i dont think it will work becuase it says
[09:27] <ChadTaljaardt> To see your OpenGL information, you can run the commands below. Make sure your OpenGL renderer string does not say "software rasterizer" or "llvmpipe" because that would mean you have no 3D hardware acceleration:
[09:27] <ChadTaljaardt> my one says llvmpipe
[09:27] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: looks like you instruct linux to not do kernel mode setting but to fall back to user mode setting, this won't work.
[09:28] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: what does 'cat /proc/cmdline' return?
[09:28] <ChadTaljaardt> tomreyn when i installed ubuntu i was getting a black screen and had to use "nomodeset"
[09:28] <ChadTaljaardt> i dont know if thats relevant
[09:28] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: which version of ubuntu were you installing?
[09:29] <ChadTaljaardt> 17.10
[09:29] <ChadTaljaardt> tomreyn BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-25-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro nomodeset quiet splash
[09:29] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: so try removing the nomodeset.
[09:31] <tomreyn> you can do that either once during boot, editing your generated grub configuration file now (which will be overwritten on the next kernel update) or permanently by editing the configuration file which is used to generate the grub configuration.
[09:31] <ChadTaljaardt> so if i reboot i should be able to do it?
[09:31] <ChadTaljaardt> i just want the easiest way haha
[09:31] <someone_> Hi , How I can use joystick as a mouse on Kubuntu 16.04 ?
[09:32] <adithya> as my version of 17.04 wont work anymore. do i have to reinstall ubuntu of another version or update it?
[09:32] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: well the first option, once during reboot, is the safest, since you can roll it back by just rebooting again. but it is also more complex than the others.
[09:32] <gordonjcp> adithya: it kind of depends what you did to it
[09:32] <ChadTaljaardt> then ill do that tomreyn
[09:32] <adithya> i did nothin
[09:32] <ChadTaljaardt> do i have to do it every time i turn my pc on?
[09:32] <gordonjcp> adithya: so what happened to it?
[09:33] <blingrang> someone_, try joytokey.
[09:35] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: you can make it permanent if it works once. i suggest you test it once (i'll explain how) and then, if it work, you'll make it permanent (just come back here to learn how)
[09:35] <ChadTaljaardt> ok
[09:35] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: so, do you know what the grub menu look like?
[09:36] <tomreyn> roughly something like this http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1353953772.png
[09:36] <adithya> my zesty security has eol
[09:36] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | adithya
[09:37] <ChadTaljaardt> ill look
[09:37] <ChadTaljaardt> ive seen that yes
[09:37] <ChadTaljaardt> but not on this computer
[09:37] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: do you get to see this every time you boot?
[09:37] <ChadTaljaardt> how do i access it?
[09:37] <tomreyn> ok
[09:38] <tomreyn> chalcedony: duriong boot, hold down the left shift key, this should bring up this menu
[09:38] <tomreyn> chalcedony: sorry, this wasnt meant for you
[09:38] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: duriong boot, hold down the left shift key, this should bring up this menu
[09:38] <ChadTaljaardt> okay ill give it a go
[09:38] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: wait
[09:39] <marcoscosmos> gordonjcp: Ugh do you remember where session .desktops go?
[09:40] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: once you have the menu, you need to press 'e', this brings you to a new screen, a kind of text editor. there, move the cursor to where it says 'nomodeset' and delete this word (but nothing else). once you are done editing, do not press enter but press Ctrl-x
[09:41] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: no, I don't
[09:41] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: take notes on hjow to do this, you probably can't remember all of it. and then give it a go. ;)
[09:42] <gordonjcp> marcoscosmos: I think I'm going to upgrade this machine from 17.10 to 16.04 so my graphics card works again
[09:42] <ChadTaljaardt> im not using this computer to do it so ill stay here while i do it haha
[09:42] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: ah that makes it easier. good luck.
[09:43] <ChadTaljaardt> thanks
[09:43] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: that's not an upgrade, that's a downgrade (which are unsupported).
[09:44] <marcoscosmos> gordonjcp: good luck! I'm going to continue rummaging through the file system for the stuff I need to edit, at least until my brain shuts down, which, it's trying to do
[09:45] <ChadTaljaardt> okay tomreyn i tried it
[09:45] <ChadTaljaardt> and just got a black screennow
[09:46] <samael> hello. in 17.04, where should i put commands to be run automatically at graphical login? .xinitrc/.xsessionrc are not working. no, start-up applications GUI is not a solution.
[09:46] <EriC^^> samael: why is it not a solution?
[09:47] <marcoscosmos> what the fuck now my file manager isn't showing file extensions in the raw name
[09:47] <marcoscosmos> argh
[09:47] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: hmm, sorry to hear this. i would have expected it to work out of the box. can you press ctrl-alt-f1 and login on the text console, then check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for '(EE)' records?
[09:48] <ChadTaljaardt> ctrl+alt+f1 isnt working either
[09:48] <ChadTaljaardt> :/
[09:48] <samael> EriC^^: i currently have a problem with a script: it launches chromium and when i launch it by hand, it stays in foreground, which is what i want. when launched at startup, chromium gets launched and then the process inexplicably exits, thus the rest of the script it's executed (which i don't want).
[09:49] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: hmm ok. did you ever install ubuntu updates on this system?
[09:49] <ChadTaljaardt> yes
[09:49] <cloudbud> what is a /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[09:49] <ChadTaljaardt> tomreyn i ran sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:49] <samael> EriC^^: but in a more general manner, it's an unattended machine which i need to manage remotely. so i'd like to do as much as possible via CLI
[09:50] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: it's an upgrade, I assure you
[09:50] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: okay, so you can just reboot now and we can inspect the X log after reboot.
[09:50] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: nothing works properly in 17.10, or indeed 17.04
[09:50] <EriC^^> samael: you can manage it from the cli ~/.config/autostart i dont know why chromium is exiting though, odd
[09:51] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: the most egregious example is the nvidia drivers
[09:51] <samael> EriC^^: it's weird, indeed
[09:51] <EriC^^> samael: maybe add some debugging to the script, > /tmp/log 2>&1
[09:51] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: the technical term 'upgrade' refers to moving form a lower to a higher release version. you are planning to do the opposite, which is not supported, and will likely fail, thus my remark.
[09:52] <ChadTaljaardt> tomreyn how to inspect X Log?
[09:52] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: I've never done an upgrade from one version to another, I've only ever done clean installs onto new disks
[09:53] <EriC^^> samael: can you pastebin the script or relevant parts?
[09:53] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: what I plan on doing here is nuking the 17.10 machine and sticking 16.04 back on, since it works and 17.10 doesn't
[09:53] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: okay, so i assume you used the term 'upgrade' to refer to a new installation then.
[09:53] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: "upgrade" in the dictionary sense of the word, an alteration to improve function and performance
[09:53] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: two identical machines - near sequential serial numbers, even - and one has 16.04 and one has 17.10 on
[09:54] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: both are using nvidia-340 drivers for their admittedly rather elderly Quadro FX580s
[09:54] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: in 17.10 3D graphics are a single-frame-per-second slideshow, in 16.04 it's 30fps
[09:55] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: swap the hard drives, issue stays with the OS
[09:57] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: if you run this you will paste the log from the previous boot online: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[09:59] <ChadTaljaardt> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26415591/
[10:01] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: i'm not surprised that nvidia drivers work better on an LTS release than on a non LTS release, if that's what you are pointing out.
[10:02] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: hmm apparently that's not the right log file. can you check its date and time? there could also be similarily named files: ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*
[10:03] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: they're the same drivers
[10:03] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: butthe kernels aren't, nor are the user spaces.
[10:03] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: right
[10:04] <anddam> hello
[10:04] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: so why would "upgrading" impose such a massive performance hit?
[10:04] <anddam> is there an option to tell dpkg to uninstall a previous, conflicting version of a package when manually installing the newer one?
[10:04] <ChadTaljaardt> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26415607/
[10:04] <anddam> case in point I'm installing virtualbox-5.2_5.2.6-120293~Ubuntu~xenial_amd64.deb
[10:04] <samael> EriC^^: pretty simple: http://paste.debian.net/1005960/ . i'll try to add bash -x and redirect stderr/out to a log as you said
[10:05] <zetheroo> I am going to install Oracle Java in 16.04, but I am wondering where it should be installed to. Does anyone have experience with this?
[10:06] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: because the company producing the drivers for the hardware you decided to acquire insists on only producing proprietary drivers, which then can only be made to work with linux by them, and they do it in a way that is specific to certain kernel versions (ABIs).
[10:07] <zetheroo> I'm installing from the tar.gz download since the webupd8team PPA isn't working atm
[10:07] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: the ABI isn't different
[10:07] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: can you: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.1.log.old
[10:08] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: not significantly, anyway
[10:08] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: I can only assume that they've cocked something up massively in there for it to break so drastically
[10:08] <ChadTaljaardt> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26415625/
[10:08] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: do you know what the term "regression" means in software development?
[10:13] <anddam> ah, answer to self: I had virtualbox's PPA alreaady, but I have to change the installed package from 5.1 to 5.2
[10:13] <akik> anddam: virtualbox has a ppa?
[10:14] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: i know what this term means, yes. do you know what the term 'forward compatibility' means in software development?
[10:17] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: hmm both of those logs were generated runnong on a kernel which was started with 'nomodeset' set. so they can't be the ones which were written when you ran into the black screen after removing 'nomodeset' manually from the grub menu. i assume this means that no log was written at the failed boot. we can now try to inspect this further by reviewing system logs, too. but i think this is going to eat a lot of time, and a better
[10:17] <tomreyn> suggestion may be that you install ubuntu 16.04 LTS instead.
[10:18] <ChadTaljaardt> okay
[10:18] <ChadTaljaardt> ill just do that then
[10:18] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: do you have any personal data there?
[10:18] <ChadTaljaardt> no
[10:18] <ChadTaljaardt> its a clean install anways
[10:18] <tomreyn> oh that makes it an easy decision
[10:19] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: i suggest once 18.04 LTS is released in april, you try booting its installer / live CD and check whether that works. and if it does, you upgrade the system to that.
[10:20] <ChadTaljaardt> okay great
[10:20] <usuario> gtug
[10:20] <usuario> ola
[10:20] <Guest26504> ola
[10:21] <ChadTaljaardt> thansk for your time tomreyn and gordonjcp
[10:21] <tomreyn> !es | Guest26504
[10:21] <ChadTaljaardt> :)
[10:21] <Guest26504> :)
[10:21] <Guest26504> lkrngetiphgtignhitkj
[10:21] <user03> do we have to download a bios update to mitigate spectre, or do we wait for an OS patch for that, eventually?
[10:21] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: welcome
[10:21] <debouncer> Gnome DE consumes enormous amount of RAMs (about 500mb). How can I deal with it?
[10:23] <akik> debouncer: there are other desktop environments that are lighter on resource usage
[10:23] <tomreyn> !spectre | user03
[10:25] <user03> So I guess I type the word with the ! for more info
[10:25] <user03> !usn
[10:25] <akik> debouncer: lxde, xfce, mate
[10:25] <debouncer> So, this is a normal behavior?
[10:26] <akik> debouncer: yes
[10:27] <jvava> have you used the empathy to transfer file, I can not find where to do.
[10:30] <marcoscosmos> SO now I've somehow broken lightdm or xorg
[10:30] <marcoscosmos> I dunno how
[10:30] <marcoscosmos> I only edited xsession and gnome-session files
[10:30] <marcoscosmos> :|
[10:31] <akik> marcoscosmos: you can reinstall those files "dpkg -S /path/to/file" then "sudo apt-get install --reinstall package"
[10:32] <marcoscosmos> Sure but, I dunno what files to reinstall because I'm 99% certain that those files are untouched but
[10:32] <marcoscosmos> oh oh sec
[10:33] <goptimus> gyus i'm novice . I wan to begin to build package or lunix software . Where i should  begin ?
[10:33] <akik> marcoscosmos: you can also verify (installed) package contents with: dpkg -V package
[10:33] <jvava> make
[10:33] <jvava> goptimus
[10:33] <jvava> auto tools
[10:33] <jvava> that's it
[10:35] <marcoscosmos> akik: okay thanks - so instead of a login greeter I get a small window saying something like "your display could not be detected, you will need to configure it yourself"
[10:35] <zomaar> So I spent 2 days not being able to boot my system because I wasn't allowed to ask for help because I'm using (parts of) a wrong Ubuntu version, when in the end it was nothing but a dirty filesystem that regular mount didn't tell me about.
[10:35] <zomaar> Isn't that awesome.
[10:35] <marcoscosmos> do you recognise thatt at all, akik ?
[10:35] <akik> marcoscosmos: not sure what you've changed
[10:35] <user03> The security page looks kind of scary, however from what I gather, to execute spectre for the most part it has to be a local attacker.
[10:36] <marcoscosmos> yeah and looking at xorg logs didn't seem to get me anywhere
[10:36] <marcoscosmos> oh the error is
[10:36] <goptimus> jvava: it's not  clean in my head
[10:36] <akik> marcoscosmos: did you create a xorg.conf?
[10:36] <marcoscosmos> "      The system is running in low-graphics mode      Your screen, graphics cards, and input device settings could not be detected correctly. You will need to configure these yourself."
[10:36] <jvava> goptimus, me too.
[10:36] <marcoscosmos> with nvidia-settings, akik, I've tried deleting it as well
[10:37] <akik> marcoscosmos: nvidia-settings creates a dot file in your home dir
[10:37] <akik> marcoscosmos: i think it was called .nvidia-settings.rc
[10:37] <marcoscosmos> What about it?
[10:37] <akik> marcoscosmos: maybe the settings are wrong in there
[10:37] <marcoscosmos> okay
[10:37] <marcoscosmos> thanks
[10:37] <tomreyn> user03: that's not entirely correct. the attacker needs to be able to execute some kind of code on your computer. such as javascript in an unpatched web browser.
[10:39] <user03> Right, but of course I do think that Firefox will eventually patch up that security hole. That and if you use nvidia drivers.
[10:39] <tomreyn> user03: actually, what i'm discussing there was meltdown, not one of the spectre variants, which, i think, we have not seen proof of concept code for.
[10:40] <tomreyn> user03: there are already patched browsers available for ubuntu (as can be seen on usn.ubuntu.com - why is it scary btw.?). how do nvidia drivers get into this equation?
[10:41] <user03> See, I was afraid to update the bios on my machine and then bricking it. Lately I have heard the new bios patches caused computers to automatically reboot.
[10:43] <tomreyn> user03: yes, sadly, there seem to be a lot fo issues with intel's latest microcode updates. they do not affect every CPU, and not all of those possibly affected CPUs show problems, but that's bad enough.
[10:43] <marcoscosmos> What are the microcode drivers even for?
[10:45] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: since they are proprietary and details are only made available under NDA, we can only speculate. but intel did publically state that they provide some counter measures to spectre and meltdown.
[10:46] <user03> usn-3521-1 nvidia graphics drivers vulnerability from 9th Jan. 2018
[10:46] <tomreyn> user03: oh right, i forgot, too many bugs. ;)
[10:47] <user03> But I guess if you use nouveau drivers then that's not too bad then.
[10:48] <zomaar> As Steve Jobs said, individually people are pretty smart. As a group, not so much
[10:49] <zomaar> The response to these security holes has been so overblown that they have sacrificed other things that were actually more important.
[10:50] <zomaar> Such as working computers.
[10:50] <zomaar> Meanwhile no one targets Linux computers for desktop users.
[10:51] <user03> So, I guess you are saying that I am safe from the looming spectre bug?
[10:51] <zomaar> Unless you run a publically exposed server
[10:52] <zomaar> You are pretty much safe from every imaginable attack as a Linux desktop user
[10:52] <tomreyn> no?
[10:52] <marcoscosmos> Well
[10:52] <marcoscosmos> not every threat
[10:52] <zomaar> Because there's no money in that
[10:52] <w0jtas> hello, how can i set preseed d-i partman-auto/disk so it detects nvme drives ? /dev/nvmeXnYpZ
[10:53] <marcoscosmos> realistically most threats exploit human-vulnerabities
[10:53] <tomreyn> Can we get back to ubuntu support here please, chatter and opinion should go to #ubuntu-offtopic (i'm happy to join a discussion on security topics there)
[10:53] <rhoks> hi guys, how do I get chrome to use hardware acceleration or SOMETHING... youtube video or any video in full screen via hdmi on the tv screen kind of stutters
[10:54] <marcoscosmos> you're unlikely to get any kind of system/os level threat if you use linux correctly or are sufficiently experienced (e.g. don't go downloading installers if it can be avoided)
[10:54] <zomaar> Just saying that you're not under threat (and it's actually #ubuntu-discuss)
[10:54] <marcoscosmos> but tbh a lot of threats are just as likely to ignore your os and run directly in browser or trick you into giving up account details
[10:55] <marcoscosmos> Anyway I apparently bricked my ubuntu install so
[10:55] <zomaar> Yes
[10:55] <marcoscosmos> O
[10:55] <marcoscosmos> I'm angry.
[10:55] <marcoscosmos> And moving to discuss
[10:57] <tomreyn> rhoks: do you mean chrome or chromium?
[10:57] <tomreyn> rhoks: does opengl acceleration work in general for you?
[10:59] <gilberto_> Bom dia !
[11:00] <rhoks> no chrome, well, I have both but I use chrome because its own flash version is newer
[11:00] <tomreyn> !br | gilberto_
[11:03] <slipttees> hi guys
[11:04] <tomreyn> w0jtas: are those drives available by the time partman operates? do separate drivers (installer modules / udebs) needs to be loaded? also note this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1507505
[11:04] <slipttees> how kernel have fix spectre and meltdown?
[11:05] <manlin> Hi autofs fails to start on my Ubuntu 16.04 after kernel updated to 4.13.0-26. Any help please? autofs4 kernel module is not getting loaded
[11:06] <manlin> i get "modprobe: FATAL: Module autofs4 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic"
[11:07] <tomreyn> manlin: which ubuntu release and kernel image are you using?
[11:07] <w0jtas> tomreyn, drives are available as it installs fine if i completely remove this d-i parameter
[11:07] <manlin> tomreyn: Ubuntu 16.04 and Kernel 4.13.0.26
[11:07] <tomreyn> manlin: 16.04.x <- what is x?
[11:08] <manlin> tomreyn: 16.04.3 LTS
[11:08] <manlin> selecting the previous kernel 4.10.0-42 on boot starts autofs service fine. its just the latest kernel
[11:09] <slipttees> 16.04.4  when?
[11:09] <tomreyn> manlin: so the kernel image you are using is provided by the linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge package, or how did you get / install it?
[11:10] <manlin> tomreyn: its one of my users workstation and he has got some repositories added. Not sure where he got that from
[11:10] <tomreyn> w0jtas: okay, i guess i had expected it to work, too, then. are you using the latest point release installer? which ubuntu version is this actually?
[11:11] <w0jtas> ubuntu 17.10 , latest netboot install
[11:11] <w0jtas> if i set "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/nvme0n1" then it works fine but i was expecting it to work same way as sda vda so /dev/nvme /dev/sda /dev/vda
[11:12] <tomreyn> manlin: so you're basically asking "why do things not work with this unsupported kernel i know nothing about". :)
[11:12] <w0jtas> tomreyn: now i have to hardcode disk number where i want it to pick whatever available nvme then sda then vda
[11:12] <manlin> tomreyn: thanks. I think I have to spend some more time looking what happened there talking to the user who did all these. I will come back later
[11:13] <TJ-> Interesting situation: 16.04 amd64; did a "systemctl suspend" which resumed after a couple of seconds but userspace still think's it is in sleep mode, so no network, logs not being updated, and other 'interesting' results. Before I do a hard reboot any suggestions on how we might get things to wake up ?
[11:14] <theparadoxer02> I ran sudo apt-get udpdate and getting this following error
[11:14] <theparadoxer02> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26415974/
[11:14] <tomreyn> w0jtas: i would think it should work out of the box (maybe look for a bug report on this specific issue), but since it does not for you, maybe a pre install script could help there. just a suggestion, i have not thought about the details.
[11:14] <mazhar> টেস্ট : Unicode testing
[11:16] <sveinse> I'm affected by the 17.10 bug in gdm3 where I have no cog to select a gnome session. Anyone knows how I can enable it?
[11:17] <sveinse> (It seems I have to run a pure gnome session to get a truly global dark theme
[11:17] <tomreyn> !zesty | theparadoxer02
[11:19] <obr7> Hi, I have an updated file "/run/resolvconf/interface/eth0.inet", but `resolvconf -d eth0 && resolvconf -u` does nothing and my "/etc/resolv.conf" has too few entries!
[11:19] <blackflow> sveinse: 'the' bug? what number? The cog is available to me when I select "Log in as another user", input my username again, and then it becomes available.
[11:19] <sveinse> I'm having this: #1714203
[11:20] <obr7> Should I update /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base ?
[11:21] <blackflow> sveinse: that's about wayland session not being available, not the cog
[11:21] <pagios> hi , how can i FORCE delete ? https://pastebin.com/RcKcASVc
[11:21] <pagios> wanna remove gstreamer and its dependencies
[11:21] <blackflow> sveinse: did you want to do the same? use a wayland session?
[11:22] <theparadoxer02> @ubottu how do i fix it ?
[11:22] <tomreyn> obr7: "updated" how?
[11:23] <pagios> anyone?
[11:23] <obr7> tomreyn:  sed -re '/nameservers|dns-search/ !d' -e 's/dns-nameservers/nameserver/' -e 's/dns-search/search/' /etc/network/interfaces  | resolvconf -a eth0.inet && resolvconf -u
[11:23] <tomreyn> theparadoxer02: ubottu suggested you could type !eol and !eolupgrade here to get more information
[11:23] <sveinse> blackflow: no. I reinstalled yesterday in an attempt to see if I could use wayland and nouveau, but that fails, so I'm back at using xorg+nvidia. But I was told from ppl here yesterday that I have this bug. It also affects when hybrid graphics is involved. I'll see if I can find the issue number
[11:23] <TJ-> w0jtas: "nvme0n1" is the same as "sda", as in "nvme"+"0n1" == "sd"+"a" - with NVMe the driver naming is tailored to supporting and identifying controllers in the name: "nvme" + <controller-number> + "n" + <device-number> [ + "p" + <partition-number> ]
[11:23] <obr7> tomreyn: I'm on 16.04
[11:23] <theparadoxer02> !eol
[11:23] <theparadoxer02> !eolupgrade
[11:24] <theparadoxer02> !eolupgrade
[11:24] <blackflow> sveinse: but which bug exactly? cog not being visible, or wayland session not being available? because the latter is not a bug if you have nvidia.
[11:25] <_abc_> slightly off topic, the small monkey is called Ubuntu, it's dad is called Bantu, let's call it Linux? >;) http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/19/10/484DC0D100000578-5287955-image-a-12_1516356032883.jpg
[11:25] <sveinse> blackflow: and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+source/gdm3/+bug/1724583
[11:25] <sveinse> blackflow: well, I want a cog to select a gnome session on xorg. Or might I be missing something for that?
[11:25] <w0jtas> TJ- ok ignore me now i get this…. it's obvious… :)
[11:25] <sveinse> blackflow: I had that yesterday
[11:26] <tomreyn> obr7: sorry, my imagination is too limited to understand what's in those files before and after your edits.
[11:26] <obr7> tomreyn: I'm gisting a bit, momz.
[11:26] <blackflow> sveinse: I see. But, when you click on "Not listed" on the login screen, then type in your username, does the cog appear below the password field?
[11:27] <sveinse> blackflow: nope
[11:27] <TJ-> w0jtas: It is confusing because it changes the convention; It's adopting the systemd/freedesktop scheme for naming (PCI) network devices I think
[11:28] <sveinse> blackflow: My core problem is that I want a global dark theme, which I can't seem to select with ubuntu session. On my gnome session, I can select the theme "Adwaita" and get a dark appearance in windows
[11:28] <blackflow> sveinse: I suppose then there is that problem of detecting that multiple sessions are available, as reported in the last bug you posted. I haven't seen it because I use nvidia and proprietary drivers and don't expect to see the wayland session, but I do see it for othre sessions.
[11:28] <w0jtas> TJ- yep but regardless changes working as it should so it's good, thanks for help
[11:28] <pagios> ?!?!?!
[11:29] <sveinse> blackflow: yes, and I dont want wayland either. It just is related to the issue it seems
[11:29] <pagios> hi , how can i FORCE delete ? https://pastebin.com/RcKcASVc
[11:29] <blackflow> sveinse: but if you had other sessions, say xfce (like I did), it _should_ be there?
[11:30] <blackflow> pagios: "is not installed, so not removed"
[11:31] <blackflow> you seem to have another problem, of missing deps. are you using any PPAs?
[11:31] <obr7> tomreyn: Oops, it seems to work, but he only seems to write nameservers into resolv.conf, which are also available.
[11:32] <zomaar> !info lvm bionic
[11:32] <pagios> blackflow, i wanna remove it
[11:32] <pagios> i see it in dpkg -l
[11:32] <zomaar> !info lvm2 bionic
[11:32] <tomreyn> obr7: i think it tests them live, yes.
[11:32] <blackflow> pagios: and it starts with "ii" in dpkg -l output?
[11:32] <TaZeR> a little trick is making a file called resolv.conf.head and it will always stick your prefered server at the top of any resolv.conf generated
[11:33] <sveinse> blackflow: I forgot to install gnome-session. When I did, I get the gnome shell by default. ...still can't select between gnome and ubuntu session in gdm3 thou :( But now I can select a global dark theme, so I'm happy
[11:33] <abhishek_> hello
[11:33] <blackflow> sveinse: wait, is there a difference between the two now in 17.10?
[11:33] <obr7> tomreyn: Cool but I want all (online and offline) nameservers. Maybe I have to use head file.
[11:33] <sveinse> blackflow: yes. or wait, perhaps not. Let me check
[11:34] <blackflow> sveinse: 17.10 "regular ubuntu" is gnome now.
[11:34] <tomreyn> obr7: sorry, i just don't know, never tried.
[11:34] <obr7> tomreyn: np thx
[11:34] <Guest83741> hello
[11:34] <EriC^^> hi
[11:34] <pagios> blackflow, dpkg -l | grep gst shows https://pastebin.com/gVHBfHjr
[11:35] <tomreyn> theparadoxer02: did this help you understand the issue and how to solve it?
[11:36] <blackflow> pagios: your previous pastebin was "apt-get remove libgstreamer1.0-0*". You don't have that installed. it's not in the dpkg -l output you posted.
[11:36] <pagios> blackflow, check my https://pastebin.com/gVHBfHjr
[11:36] <pagios> i wanna remove all!!
[11:37] <blackflow> pagios: all WHAT exactly? libgstreamer packages?
[11:38] <sveinse> blackflow: yes, your're right. I couldn't select adwaita as application themes to get global dark windows with ubuntu out of box. But when I installed gnome-session, I get it in both gnome and ubuntu sessions. So it was a package dependency which installs the adwaita app theme which I was missing in the first place. adwaita-icon-theme-full perhaps
[11:39] <sveinse> With this, I don't see any reason to favor gnome session over a ubuntu session
[11:39] <pagios> blackflow, yea
[11:40] <blackflow> sveinse: is the "gnome" session vanilla one? default ubuntu installation does some minor tweaks, like the dock, to make it closer to what unity was. but otherwise it's gnome3 proper.
[11:40] <blackflow> pagios: I don't understand your issue. You seem to be having a problem installing "snappy" package (which ubuntu is that, btw?). But to answer your question, you can do it with this command:
[11:41] <blackflow> pagios: but be very careful with that, it's very destructive. If you remove something you shouldn't have, you'll be in a pickle.
[11:41] <tomreyn> pagios: which ubuntu release is this?
[11:41] <blackflow> pagios: dpkg -l | grep libgstreamer | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' | xargs apt remove
[11:42] <blackflow> pagios: prefix "apt" with sudo, read the output and if you're sure about removal of those packages, hit Yes.
[11:43] <DarkMio> I'm looking for someone that has experience with audio setups and/or RME cards on general linux systems
[11:43] <DarkMio> basic problem is to control a quadaphonic or 7.1 audio channel setup onto specific RME outputs.
[11:44] <tomreyn> blackflow: i think there'll be no prompt if you pipe into apt.
[11:45] <blackflow> tomreyn: I think you have to add -y for that, now that oyu mention it. mind you, this could've been done with dpkg-query instead of awk, but I'm lazy :)
[11:45] <blackflow> *with dpkg-query pattern options
[11:48] <tomreyn> blackflow: if you pipie into apt it will take input (the the Y/N prompt) from what you piped. hopefully there's no "y" character in there ;)
[11:48] <blackflow> tomreyn: but uh, that command is not piping into apt?
[11:48] <blackflow> it's piping into xargs
[11:49] <tomreyn> blackflow: oh crap you're right, sorry.
[11:50] <tomreyn> and sorry about the wroding there.
[11:52] <tomreyn> DarkMio: i guess your best chance to get answers to specific audio questions will be around the support channels provided by the "pulseaudio" and "linux audio" projects. it's possible (i have not checked, use !alis for this purpose) that they have support channels on Freenode.
[11:53] <tomreyn> (they most likely have mailing lists.)
[11:55] <theparadoxer02> after i did do release_update, and ran sudo apt-get udpate, i am getting this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/26416107/
[11:55] <cliffer> phpmyadmin is complaining about missing mysqli. but php7.1-mysql is installed, however phpinfo() does not show mysql or mysqli. where to check
[11:57] <tomreyn> cliffer: which webserver are you using and how are you running php?
[11:57] <cliffer> tomreyn: nginx and i'm using php-fpm
[11:59] <motaka2> Hi, what ever software I want to install in ubuntu 16.4  is ending to this error:  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/915c99d1f312ad4a2d5fa741c69aef28
[11:59] <cliffer> command phpenmod mysqli gives: WARNING: Module mysqli ini file doesn't exist under /etc/php/7.1/mods-available
[11:59] <DarkMio> !alis
[11:59] <tomreyn> cliffer: did you restart fpm? does the fpm pool provide the mysql(i) extension? is phpmyadmin actually compatible with this php version?
[11:59] <cliffer> tomreyn: command phpenmod mysqli gives: WARNING: Module mysqli ini file doesn't exist under /etc/php/7.1/mods-available
[12:00] <cliffer> tomreyn: i restarted nginx and php-fpm. it seems the extension is missing. i installed phpmyadmin from the repos but the missing extension seems to be the problem
[12:01] <tomreyn> theparadoxer02: when you say "do release_update" do you mean "do-release-upgrade"?
[12:02] <DarkMio> tomreyn: Thanks for the info
[12:02] <blackflow> cliffer: iirc mysqli is being deprecated. I dont' have a way to check right now, do you have a mysql entry in the mods-available directory?
[12:03] <debouncer> Although I install drives from both official Xerox website and the Ubuntu repository, when a document is printed, the printer goes to processing status and it never prints.
[12:04] <debouncer> What do you suggest to fix this?
[12:04] <theparadoxer02> @tomreyn yeah same thing i did `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[12:05] <theparadoxer02> tomreyn yeah same thing i did `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[12:06] <blackflow> cliffer: k, I did a quick test in a container. installing php-mysql on 17.10 installs and enables mysqli just fine.
[12:06] <debouncer> I also removed and reinstall the driver, This didn't also work.
[12:06] <blackflow> cliffer: so you mention php 7.1. Is this ubuntu 17.10 or an older one? How are you installing php there?
[12:07] <tomreyn> theparadoxer02: did you do the preparatory steps before initiating the release upgrade as documented on the eolupgrades page, though?
[12:07] <tomreyn> theparadoxer02: the output you provided looks as if you did not, or missed one or more steps
[12:09] <sveinse> I haven't paid any attention to the development of unity lately, but what happened with it? And is the move to gnome a permanent one?
[12:09] <tomreyn> !unity
[12:10] <tomreyn> sveinse: sorry, this looks outdated
[12:10] <theparadoxer02> tomreyn: okay, let me check again
[12:13] <akik> sveinse: you can use unity in 16.04 until 2021. after that the future is uncertain. there is some group that tries to keep it alive
[12:13] <tomreyn> sveinse: the so my understanding is that unity is now a community maintained project, canonical is no longer developing it. there should be a blog post by their CEO on it somewhere, and many news reports, too (if you search the web). it's my understanding that the move to the gnome desktop (but modified to look and behave similar to unity) is going to remain for now.
[12:15] <sveinse> tomreyn: thanks (and of personal opinion: good, since I've always been using gnome shell)
[12:15] <akik> sveinse: http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/canonical-on-path-to-ipo-as-ubuntu-unity-linux-desktop-gets-ditched
[12:16] <kostkon> sveinse, only time will tell that's for sure
[12:16] <sveinse> kostkon: sure. things evolve. they always do.
[12:17] <kostkon> sveinse, yes canonical will become a public company soon(?) will see how ti goes from there
[12:18] <theparadoxer02> tomreyn: i tried the steps, still that did not work
[12:19] <tomreyn> theparadoxer02: what's the output?
[12:19] <theparadoxer02> for sudo apt-get update ?
[12:19] <tomreyn> theparadoxer02: yes
[12:20] <sveinse> Is there a way to setup apt to auto tag dependencies as automatic, making autoremove effective?
[12:20] <sveinse> I'm using aptitude (still) to manage this because of its automatic handling. But I don't really want to
[12:21] <theparadoxer02> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26416206/
[12:21] <theparadoxer02> i paste end ending of the logs
[12:22] <theparadoxer02> tomreyn: i am rebooting system, will meet you in a sec
[12:22] <TJ-> theparadoxer02: the error is because the mirror archive no longer contains zesty since it's no longer supported; you'd need to replace the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list with http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:23] <tomreyn> i assume s/he must have done so since it says so on the wiki
[12:23] <tomreyn> at least on sources.list
[12:25] <TJ-> tomreyn: I may have missed a later pastebin
[12:28] <tomreyn> TJ-: the latest paste was https://paste.ubuntu.com/26416206/ (partial 'apt-get update' output). it shows that zesty sources are still configured. it does not show that sources of a different release are (or are not) configured also.
[12:28] <tomreyn> !netsplit
[12:29] <thepardoxer02> i am still getting the same bug while upgrading ubuntu
[12:29] <tomreyn> theparadoxer02: can you provide the address returned by: apt-cache policy | pastebinit
[12:30] <TJ-> tomreyn: thanks. So which release is currently running/installed, do we know?
[12:30] <tomreyn> TJ-: no, it was not discussed, yet
[12:30] <tomreyn> and you're welcome :)
[12:32] <TJ-> thepardoxer02: tomreyn: OK, because if this is an attempt to upgrade /from/ 17.04 then /etc/apt/sources.list should be using http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:35] <thepardoxer02> TJ-: tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26416274/
[12:36] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes, that's what https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list states (and !eolupgrade points there)
[12:43] <thepardoxer02> tomreyn: any update ?
[12:44] <karolyi> hey, did anyone notice the Release filed are missing from zesty?
[12:44] <karolyi> effortDee: The repository 'http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[12:44] <karolyi>  E: The repository 'http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[12:44] <effortDee> ok
[12:44] <karolyi> sorry
[12:48] <geeky> i am getting a screen to confirm my email every time i log to gmail, what could be wrong
[12:50] <tomreyn> sorry, i got sidetracked
[12:50] <tomreyn> oh, he left
[12:53] <geeky> anyone help me?
[12:53] <geeky> i am still here
[12:54] <tomreyn> geeky: that's not really an ubuntu support question, i'm afraid. maybe try to /join ##google
[12:54] <geeky> ok thanks
[12:55] <tomreyn> karolyi: zesty is end of life (eol)
[12:55] <geeky> they don't seem to have a support channel here
[12:55] <tomreyn> !zesty | karolyi
[12:56] <tomreyn> geeky: this does not make #ubuntu a google support channel, though. ;)
[12:56] <geeky> i am asking it in ##security
[12:58] <karolyi> oh
[13:00] <ircfan> what can i do so unity-tweak-tool pushes the settings?
[13:02] <tomreyn> karolyi: did this help then? do you know how to proceed?
[13:02] <karolyi> tomreyn: I guess I'll have to upgrade to artful
[13:03] <tomreyn> karolyi: yes, but it's not be as easy now as it was when zesty was still supported. you need to edit your sources.list file.
[13:05] <tomreyn> karolyi: /etc/apt/sources.list should be using http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu - check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading for details
[13:05] <karolyi> tomreyn: I'm already gettings hints of it on my local dev machine (I've got a server too which will be a bit harder to upgrade), but I think I'll manage. so far I only got mariadb that's added from external sources
[13:05] <karolyi> huh, ok ...
[13:06] <karolyi> tomreyn: do-release-upgrade seems to be downloading the files on my local virtualmachine
[13:08] <tomreyn> karolyi: i guess you are using an archive mirror server which still has the zesty files available, then - meaning it's not in sync
[13:09] <karolyi> tomreyn: I'm upgrading from zesty, so it's fairly recent
[13:12] <Taxicletter> Hi peepz
[13:13] <Taxicletter> I'm using Ubuntu 17 and I would like to add a classic menu, I can't get used to the new thing.
[13:13] <Taxicletter> How could I do that? Maybe also delete the new thing I don't like?
[13:14] <yeats> Taxicletter: something like this?: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/ - also, use menulibre to edit menu items
[13:15] <Taxicletter> Yeah, that's it!
[13:16] <Taxicletter> menulibre is like alacarte, I guess?
[13:16] <yeats> Taxicletter: yes
[13:16] <tomreyn> karolyi: yes, i guess it can work fine if you recently installed updates before it went EOL, too. just 30 minutes ago there was soemone else where running zesty who would have needed to manually edit thier sources.list since do-release-upgrade would not have worked there.
[13:16] <yeats> Taxicletter: also probably worth using the tweak tool: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/gnome-tweak-tool/
[13:17] <yeats> (may already be installed - not sure)
[13:17] <karolyi> tomreyn: yes, I've updated my dev local VM daily, and the server at least weekly or bi-weekly, I'll see how it works out. since the latter is an LXC, I'm a bit concerned thou
[13:20] <Taxicletter> Thank you yeats!
[13:21] <tomreyn> karolyi: if i wanted to ensure it'll work, i'd follow the manual
[13:22] <tomreyn> karolyi: s/manual/available documentation/ , namely https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading
[13:23] <karolyi> tomreyn: I did read through on that, didn't really tell anything new but thx. I'm using do-release-updrade
[13:24] <karolyi> tomreyn: my local machine just upgraded, works
[13:31] <a_Aquila> Hello, cq... dx...
[13:31] <TJ-> !ask | a_Aquila We're not on HAM radio now
[13:32] <BillD73> HAHA
[13:33] <oli> and wot
[13:34] <Guest99632> and wot m8
[13:35] <Southern_Gentlem> TJ you may not be be some of us are
[13:42] <blip99> this just started happening, seemingly without reason:   E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[13:42] <blip99> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[13:42] <blip99> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[13:42] <blip99> same issue with other repos
[13:45] <blip99> are ubuntu repo servers experiencing issues that somehow affect mirrors
[13:50] <ndama> sudo
[13:50] <ndama> cd
[13:50] <ndama> ls
[13:51] <catmando> hey all.
[13:51] <catmando> i have a raw disc image that i need to convert to an ISO
[13:52] <ndama> jais un problem sur backbox
[13:52] <NoYzE1> mkisofs
[13:52] <ndama> error install java
[13:52] <ndama> ......?
[13:55] <ndama> hay
[13:58] <tomreyn> !zesty | blip99
[13:58] <tomreyn> !eol | blip99
[13:58] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | blip99
[14:02] <eraserpencil> HI guys! If i have a calendar server setup on linode, how do i subscribe to it? I cant find the option anywhere on any email clients
[14:02] <kzh> eraserpencil: which email clients?
[14:03] <eraserpencil> trying lightning and korganizer
[14:11] <rreck_> kneedeep
[14:12] <tomreyn> rreck_: hopefully this isn't a password...
[14:13] <rreck_> LOL, it is just a troll
[14:13] <rreck_> you would know my passwords because they have pass and word in them
[14:17] <harry8906> what are all possible places where java_home is set in ubuntu?
[14:18] <harry8906> I have installed java 8 and still java_home returns -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle
[14:18] <rreck_> i guess in the rc file for the shell you are running
[14:18] <rreck_> and maybe /etc/environment
[14:19] <harry8906> I have checked those two, not in there
[14:19] <brainwash> search for it with grep
[14:19] <rreck_> maybe you can grep -r JAVA_HOME *
[14:19] <Cheery_b> My ubuntu isn't booting today. Computer lists booting devices on the screen and then stops to the "GRUB"
[14:20] <harry8906> though there are files in /etc/profile.d folder, jdk.sh , where JAVA_HOME and some other variables were set, I have commented them out and restarted the machine, but still the java_home is being set to java7
[14:20] <Cheery_b> I took live CD and went in, right now the thing's chrooted on the terminal
[14:20] <Cheery_b> This kind of stuff has never happened before.. I wonder what's going on?
[14:21] <Cheery_b> where to even start looking what's wrong in here?
[14:21] <rreck_> rebooting the machine is a microsoft solution.  in linux your shell decides what is going on
[14:21] <rreck_> cheery_b: well either your grub got hosed or the thing it is trying to boot did
[14:21] <harry8906> well that is not fixing my problem
[14:22] <rreck_> harry you could just set it to whatever you want  and not worry about what is setting it incorrectly
[14:22] <harry8906> I ran that command - grep -r "JAVA_HOME", it says there are entries of java_home in /etc/enviroment and jdk.sh in folder /etc/profile.d
[14:23] <rreck_> personally i would just set it to what i wanted and not trace the spagetti of other people's implementation
[14:23] <harry8906> @reeck_ I have made entry in /etc/environment fiel for java 8, but still echo $JAVA_HOME ise set to java7
[14:23] <rreck_> you have to restart the shell you are using
[14:24] <rreck_> or source /etc/environment
[14:24] <harry8906> restarted the whole machine, didn't work :D
[14:24] <harry8906> restarted the whole machine, didn't work :(
[14:24] <rreck_> yeah well that is  witchcraft
[14:24] <rreck_> that wont do jack for this
[14:24] <rreck_> just set it to what you want right now in ~/.bashrc
[14:25] <rreck_> or explicited at the command prompt
[14:25] <rreck_> those other approaches are to make the change persistant
[14:25] <harry8906> will try editing ~/.bashrc
[14:26] <rreck_> just do EXPORT JAVA_HOME="/the/place/I/want"
[14:26] <rreck_> oh i assuming you are running something on the command line
[14:26] <rreck_> i dont click on things
[14:27] <rreck_> yes, if you are running something by clicking on it, maybe it has some startup files
[14:27] <Cheery_b> I remember having set up it such that it doesn't go through the boot window. I guess changing that would be the first step.
[14:27] <Cheery_b> any way to reset the /etc/default/grub ?
[14:28] <rreck_> cheery_b: you edit it and then commit your changes with some command i forget
[14:28] <Cheery_b> yeah, but I don't remember the original file contents.
[14:28] <rreck_> there are a couple things going on
[14:28] <rreck_> first whether it is showing you what is going on
[14:28] <rreck_> second what the default is
[14:28] <rreck_> third the amount of time you have to make a decision during grub prompt
[14:29] <rreck_> so you basically have to recreate the boot line
[14:29] <rreck_> personallyi would boot to cdrom and the do some boot=/dev/sd?/mykernel
[14:29] <rreck_> there are some other incantations you can find on the web but that is the heart of it
[14:30] <rreck_> some other command bs depending on drivers for your video card if it is problematic
[14:31] <rreck_> then once you figure out the right line go edit grub
[14:31] <rreck_> otherwise you will be rinse lather repeat cycle
[14:31] <rreck_> which is painful but you will certainly learn the commands by heart
[14:32] <rreck_> the secret component on the boot line i have to learn repeatedly has some nodma or similar
[14:32] <rreck_> you know you need it when during boot it just goes blank and no more information
[14:33] <hateball> do you mean nomodeset ?
[14:43] <Cheery_b> got to run initramfs to see whether it's that.
[14:43] <Cheery_b> I got 4.4 kernels and 4.10, 4.11, 4.13 kernels.. why?
[14:44] <Cheery_b> the current kernel would seem to be 4.4-109
[14:49] <Gaerandir90> hello
[14:49] <Gaerandir90> what's the name of the lower centered menu, like mac
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> Gaerandir90  in which DE?
[14:51] <Southern_Gentlem> dock?
[14:51] <Gaerandir90> kubuntu
[14:51] <widp> I am on 16.04, does adding the kxstudio repos cause any problems?
[14:52] <Kingsy> I have a bluetooth headset which is working great however can you get linux to respond to pause, volume up etc functions from the headset?
[14:52] <blingrang> Gaerandir90, CairoDock? https://www.glx-dock.org/
[14:53] <Gaerandir90> yesssssssssssss blingrang thanks for you
[14:55] <widp> I've seen this post. https://askubuntu.com/questions/256760/can-i-install-cadence-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-x86-machine
[14:56] <widp> Although it only talks about the ppa which no longer exist, I think.
[14:56] <widp> So I decided to add the repos.
[14:57] <catmando> question: how can I convert a raw disk image to an iso on the command line?
[14:57] <widp> catmando: use dd
[14:57] <zomaar> catmando: In general I think you'd mount the image and then run mkisofs on the tree
[14:58] <widp> oh sorry, didn't read the question properly.
[14:58] <catmando> zomaar: thanks, shall do some reading
[14:58] <catmando> widp: no worries
[14:59] <kostkon> !info bchunk | catmando, maybe
[14:59] <tomreyn> catmando: you'll end up with an iso which can be written to optical media, but not booted from.
[15:00] <catmando> tomreyn: hmm, interesting point
[15:00] <tomreyn> catmando: i'm not sure whether this was your goal so i just though i'd point it out.
[15:00] <catmando> it makes sense though
[15:01] <catmando> how would it be, it's a dump of a disk
[15:01] <catmando> not an installer
[15:01] <tomreyn> also, here, too, size matters
[15:02] <catmando> it's 20G
[15:02] <NoYzE1> mkisofs works fine
[15:02] <tomreyn> will probably not fit on a dvd ;)
[15:03] <catmando> this is to get an image mounted on virtual drive on a power machine so that I can then create copies of it
[15:03] <catmando> so booting from the "iso" is not an issue
[15:03] <NoYzE1> i used it many times and tools working with iso are happy with it
[15:03] <catmando> NoYzE1: thanks!
[15:04] <NoYzE1> i created iso's from files to get them to mount inside virtualbox to install the files without exposition to the host
[15:04] <NoYzE1> mkisofs worked great for this
[15:05] <NoYzE1> but i can't remember exactly if you want it to be read as a cd-rom you may need to use -J (joliet-fs) as parameter
[15:05] <elli0t> hello guys
[15:05] <NoYzE1> hey there
[15:05] <zomaar> Can also just use udf I think
[15:05] <zomaar> More like the new standard
[15:05] <tomreyn> catmando: if the goal is just to make it available as a storage on virtualbox then no conversion is needed.
[15:06] <zomaar> hello billy
[15:06] <catmando> tomreyn: not virtualbox, an IBM power machine using FC storage
[15:07] <tomreyn> catmando: oh, sorry, i mixed up what you and NoYzE1 said.
[15:11] <Tadtsured_> hi guys! Does anyone here know why a pip installation of h5py fails for python 3, but a systemwide install using apt succeeds?
[15:11] <zomaar> Tadtsured_: I assume you would have some error message?
[15:12] <zomaar> Tadtsured_: Does it try to compile a python-C bridge?
[15:14] <NoYzE1> have you tried pip3?
[15:14] <NoYzE1> there are 2 versions of pip
[15:14] <NoYzE1> pip and pip3
[15:14] <NoYzE1> pip tries to install python2 packages
[15:15] <NoYzE1> also some packages have python3 in its name
[15:15] <tomreyn> unless you really need to , i would always try not to mix systemwide apt / pip installations. i use pip just for the user context, apt for the system.
[15:15] <NoYzE1> so you can install python2 packages with pip3 and python3 packages with the 3-keyword it's a little messy
[15:16] <__rob> hello
[15:16] <NoYzE1> but the python packaging is like the language, a little chaotic and ruled by convention :P
[15:16] <tomreyn> hello __rob
[15:18] <__rob> trying to install nodejs but cant run their setup script
[15:18] <__rob> sudo curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_6.x | sudo -E bash
[15:18] <__rob> problem I get is with apt : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26416937/
[15:19] <brainwash> !yakkety
[15:19] <__rob> yea, ok, so I tried to do-release-upgrade
[15:19] <__rob> it says its not supported
[15:19] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | __rob
[15:19] <zomaar> __rob: You have to change your sources file to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[15:20] <zomaar> __rob: For Yakkety
[15:20] <__rob> so I should have been upgrading more regularly ?
[15:20] <zomaar> __rob: If it tries to install new packages from the existing Yakkety set, you just need to update your sources to the new location
[15:20] <zomaar> __rob: They were moved yesterday
[15:21] <zomaar> __rob: Together with Zesty
[15:21] <tomreyn> __rob: you should have done a release upgrade while ubuntu 16.10 was still supported.
[15:21] <Tadtsured_> zomaar nope. the pip install seems to complete without error, but I still get an import error when I try to include it in a python script
[15:22] <zomaar> Tadtsured_: Some people recommended using pip3 instead of pip
[15:23] <zomaar> __rob: If you really want to upgrade you can probably just point your sources and do a dist-upgrade but there might be some manual changes you would need to fix
[15:23] <Tadtsured_> same results.
[15:23] <NoYzE1> Tadtsured_ which package is it?
[15:24] <Tadtsured_> h5py
[15:24] <Tadtsured_> what is interesting is that, even when I install it with pip3, it seems to be installing the python 2.7.1 version
[15:24] <NoYzE1> are you sure there is a python3 version of it? you said it worked with apt-get?
[15:25] <rreck_> hateball: yes
[15:26] <Tadtsured_> it does work with apt-get. the official pypi page shows it is only released for 2.7.1 though. I guess my main question is why does installing it through apt seem to work. I dont really understand what is going on
[15:26] <tomreyn> __rob: your ubuntu has been without security updates since at least July 20, 2017 - if you used it in the meantime, there's an increased chance it got compromised. also, you're two releases behind. so you might want to also consider a fresh installation.
[15:27] <zomaar> __rob: You understood what I meant right?
[15:28] <NoYzE1> well it was packaged into pypi with 2.7
[15:29] <NoYzE1> and not 3
[15:29] <NoYzE1> but it doesn't mean it is not available for 3
[15:29] <NoYzE1> there is anaconda mentioned and also a github page
[15:29] <NoYzE1> maybe it found it's way from there into apt-get
[15:30] <NoYzE1> pip has many packages but not all
[15:30] <Tadtsured_> interesting. That makes sense - though its been around for long enough that its odd that there isnt a pip package for 3 yet. Next question then - I have my project in a virtualenv - is there any way to include the apt version in the venv without doing a systemwide install?
[15:31] <NoYzE1> if you install it via apt it will go in some directory
[15:31] <NoYzE1> you can copy it from there
[15:32] <Tadtsured_> ok hella. Ty guys!
[15:33] <__rob> zommar, yes
[15:34] <__rob> not sure I can be bothered to reconfigure everything tho
[15:34] <__rob> easier to upgrade if that works
[15:34] <widp> How do I setup pulseaudio with jack?
[15:35] <widp> I am trying to get my microphone working while supercollider is running.
[15:36] <widp> *Mic working with firefox while Supercollider runs.
[15:36] <zomaar> __rob: You have to go to /etc/apt/sources.list and change all occurances of xx.archive.ubuntu.com with old-releases.ubuntu.com and then save
[15:36] <widp> I was told to have this running, I would need the jack module for pulseaudio. What is this and how do I set it up?
[15:37] <zomaar> __rob: Then you can run your script again and you're done
[15:37] <aayan> why am i not being able to install some of the third party software
[15:37] <aayan> ??
[15:37] <__rob> right, i've created a new sources.list with the content of the url above
[15:37] <nicomachus> aayan: can you be a bit more specific please?
[15:37] <__rob> moved the old one
[15:37] <aayan> please help??
[15:38] <nicomachus> aayan: what software are you trying to install, how are you installing it, and what error are you seeing? Please use screenshots posted to imgur.com or pastes posted to paste.ubuntu.com to show us.
[15:38] <__rob> only thing, whats the difference is the kernel versions on the update page
[15:39] <__rob> generic and server
[15:39] <aayan> using synaptic packet manager
[15:39] <__rob> under the "Kernel" step
[15:39] <aayan> i am trying to install third party software
[15:39] <widp> I NEED SUPPORT!
[15:39] <widp> WHERE IS THE SUPPORT!
[15:40] <__rob> either way, it cant find them when I run "sudo aptitude install linux-image-server linux-headers-server"
[15:40] <nicomachus> widp: nowhere for you, if you keep using all caps like that. be patient.
[15:40] <nicomachus> aayan: what third party software?
[15:40] <siva_machina> aptitude? people still use that
[15:40] <aayan> adobe acrobat
[15:40] <siva_machina> what year is it?
[15:40] <zomaar> __rob: I have no idea
[15:40] <nicomachus> aayan: you cannot install adobe acrobat in ubuntu.
[15:41] <widp> ok, I'll wait
[15:41] <nicomachus> siva_machina: if you don't have a support question please kindly shut up.
[15:41] <zomaar> __rob: But there are no new kernels for Yakkety
[15:41] <nicomachus> yakkety is EOL
[15:41] <aayan> java is also not installing
[15:42] <__rob> right, just following hte steps on that page
[15:42] <__rob> for upgrading
[15:42] <widp> nicomachus: Do I think I would have more luck at the ubuntu irc server?
[15:42] <aayan> whenever i try to install from software boutique
[15:42] <__rob> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[15:42] <ubuntu-struggler> What's the best way to install Ubuntu on a motherboard that seems to only have USB 3.0 ports? Error message that I assume is blaming the USB 3.0 ports: "Error when installing: “unable to find a medium containing a live file system.” I've searched for quite a while, and the most promising solution seems to be by FatChan101 here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/511893/how-to-fix-initramfs-unable-to-find-a-medium-containing
[15:43] <ubuntu-struggler> How do I edit "syslinux.cfg (or isolinux.cfg)"?
[15:43] <zomaar> wipd: Why don't you just google for pulseaudio and jack if no one here knows?
[15:43] <JTech> I'm working on getting wireless working on a laptop, that suddenly stopped working.
[15:43] <nicomachus> aayan: you can install java from command line with 'sudo apt install openjdk'
[15:43] <JTech> I got the "enable networking" to be not greyed out by typing killall nm-applet && nm-applet --sm-disable
[15:44] <JTech> but still no wireless networks are listed.
[15:44] <BillD73> i have setup and paired my phone to my old laptops bluetooth connection but cannot seem to successfully send images to it. ubuntu not even acknowledging the incoming transfer. phone simply says not sent, connection unsuccessful
[15:44] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Not sure what you're trying to do, but syslinux.cfg is usually located in the /boot/syslinux directory.
[15:44] <widp> Is this the only channel for support?
[15:45] <nicomachus> BillD73: do you need to use bluetooth to send? I've never even tried sending files over bluetooth, not sure where to start
[15:45] <siva_machina> aayan Oracle Java or the opensource Java?
[15:45] <nicomachus> widp: yes, but it's a bit busy at the moment as you can see
[15:45] <widp> cool.
[15:45] <aayan> sorry sir but using command line to install a software feels little bit diffcult
[15:45] <ubuntu-struggler> @squelingcode I'm simply trying to install Ubuntu onto a computer that doesn't have USB 2.0 ports.
[15:45] <aayan> is any other method that you can suggest?
[15:45] <nicomachus> aayan: then search synaptic for openjdk, I don't care
[15:45] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: OK - what errors do you experience during install?
[15:45] <BillD73> not really jsut thought it would be convienent. I'm asuming I need to find some kinda "auth" failure for the bluetooth mac address
[15:46] <zomaar> squealingcode: The initrd is not loaded
[15:46] <nicomachus> BillD73: you can check dmesg or /var/log/syslog for errors
[15:46] <BillD73> nicomachus: ok  sorrry forgot to put your name up there
[15:46] <squealingcode> OK - so you're loading it over the network? Or DVD/CD?
[15:46] <nicomachus> widp: first attempt at google: https://askubuntu.com/questions/572120/how-to-use-jack-and-pulseaudio-alsa-at-the-same-time-on-the-same-audio-device
[15:46] <aayan> synaptic package manager can i use?
[15:47] <squealingcode> If you use CD/DVD it sounds like bad install media ubuntu-struggler
[15:47] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: after booting from the USB thumb drive, the Ubuntu logo displays then goes to a black screen with "Error when installing: “unable to find a medium containing a live file system” and no further input is accepted
[15:47] <tomreyn> aayan: if this is a general question, then the answer is "probably yes".
[15:47] <nicomachus> ubuntu-struggler: are you sure your PC is booting from the drive, and are you sure that the drive has an .iso file on it?
[15:47] <aayan> opensource java
[15:48] <nicomachus> tomreyn: he's trying to install java
[15:48] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: You say it doesn't have USB 2.0 ports, so do you use USB 3.0 for booting?
[15:48] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: yes, I believe all USB ports on this motherboard are USB 3.0
[15:48] <nicomachus> oof. I've had trouble with live media on 3.0 ports. don't ask me why.
[15:49] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: It's not booting from the HDD, I get the Ubuntu menu that let's me choose "Install.. etc"
[15:49] <widp> nicomachus: I did. I found the option to either use cadence or qjackctl.
[15:49] <aayan> it takes too long time to get a packaged installed in my system
[15:49] <widp> the repos didn't have cadence, which was supposed to be the easier method. I'll check this out.
[15:49] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: OK, but are you using a USB 3.0 thumb drive? Have you tried a different thumbdrive?
[15:50] <tomreyn> aayan: do you want to develop / compile java software or do you just want to run it?
[15:50] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: I am using a USB 2.0 thumb drive..... that's the cause?
[15:50] <squealingcode> Either it's bad install media, or the thumbdrive "disappears" cause of missing drivers before kernel can grab initrd
[15:50] <nicomachus> widp: you can search for a PPA
[15:50] <aayan> just run it
[15:50] <biblioteca> google
[15:50] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Nah, you should be fine. But are you absolutely sure that your computer does not have any USB 2.0 ports? Do you have a CD you can use to install?
[15:50] <tomreyn> aayan: then you can install the openjdk-jre package
[15:50] <widp> nicomachus: hmmm, I was going get it from kxstudio repos, but I wasn't sure if adding that would mess things up.
[15:51] <nicomachus> squealingcode: s/CD/DVD
[15:51] <zomaar> squealingcode: It could even be the filesystem.squashfs it is complaining about but initrd seems more logical
[15:51] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: I could put a CD/DVD reader in there to use temporarily, but that's troublesome
[15:51] <nicomachus> widp: if it installs, then good. but just be aware that this channel can't support anything that's not in the official repos.
[15:51] <aayan> from where will i get that openjdk-jre package?
[15:51] <squealingcode> zomaar: Yup, read the error message over again, and it's likely that kernel and initrd gets grabbed, but it cannot find the thumbdrive containg the squashfs
[15:51] <widp> got it. Sorry if I was being a dick earlier.
[15:51] <widp> really appreciate the help.
[15:52] <zomaar> So it cannot mount it
[15:52] <nicomachus> aayan: for god's sake, open a terminal and type "sudo apt install openjdk-7-jre" and you're done.
[15:52] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: one second, let me grab the model of the motherboard to make certain these are all 3.0 ports
[15:52] <nicomachus> ubuntu-struggler: just look at them. if they're blue, they're 3.0
[15:52] <BillD73> nicomachus: os i pulled up /var/log/syslog... last entry was 11 minutes ago. after I got them paired. attempted a new transfer to ubuntu and pulled up the log again, same entry 11 mins ago
[15:52] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: What Ubuntu version are you installing?
[15:53] <nicomachus> BillD73: try checking 'dmesg | tail' right after the transfer
[15:53] <tomreyn> aayan: it may also be called openjdk-7-jre or openjdk-8-jre or openjdk-9-jre, depending on the ubuntu version you run. you can install these packages via synaptic.
[15:53] <zomaar> squealingcode: Yeah I read it over in my mind ;-)
[15:53] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: You could try download the Ubuntu mini-ISO. It does not use a squashfs. Rather, it downloads all packages as they're needed for the install.
[15:53] <lhz> where has the dist/zesty folder gone on all the package repo servers? i'm sitting on a 17.04 system that I can no longer update, apparently.
[15:53] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: Motherboard model: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-970A-D3P-rev-10#ov
[15:53] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: That could probably work
[15:53] <ubuntu-struggler> I have tried Ubuntu 14.04 and the new 17.xxx
[15:53] <tomreyn> aayan: please mention my nickname, tomreyn, when you address me, so i won't miss your responses.
[15:53] <nicomachus> !eolupgrade > lhz
[15:53] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Yup, but try the mini ISO instead.
[15:54] <zomaar> lhz: exchange xx.archive.ubuntu.com with old-releases.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:54] <nicomachus> zomaar: please let him follow the instructions that ubottu sent. :)
[15:55] <zomaar> That page is outdated nicomachus, it hasn't been updated since 12.04 or so
[15:55] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: btw the two USB ports under your Ethernet-connector should be USB 2.0
[15:55] <squealingcode> The blue ones are USB 3.0
[15:55] <lhz> ubottu, zomaar: thanks. didn't even know there was a newer release available yet (17.10 was pulled, right?)
[15:55] <aayan> thnx @nicomachus
[15:55] <lhz> how do you think *I* feel then? :P
[15:55] <zomaar> No 17.10 is up again
[15:55] <lhz> ok, thanks!
[15:56] <BillD73> nicomachus: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26417130/
[15:56] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: You can find the mini ISOs here. Download the release you want and reflash your thumbdrive with it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[15:56] <lhz> sitting in a cabin on mobile network though, so dist upgrade is not an option right now.
[15:56] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: Thank you for the suggestion, I'll give the mini ISO a try... are you sure that only the blue ports are 3.0? I've tried the white ports too
[15:57] <Southern_Gentlem> yes only the blue ports are usb3
[15:57] <zomaar> lhz: Direct answer to your question is that they have been moved to old-releases
[15:57] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Traditionally USB 3.0 are marked blue, while USB 2.0 is usually black/dark coloured.
[15:57] <Learnerwind> Hey. I am using a virt-manager in debian with xenial. I am having problems with git, add-apt-repository and npm. Could someone give me some hint?
[15:57] <nicomachus> BillD73: yea, nothing useful there.
[15:57] <tomreyn> zomaar: what's outdated about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades ? sure it contains references to old verison numbers and release names, but is there something actually wrong in there?
[15:57] <BillD73> nicomachus: ikr
[15:57] <nicomachus> Learnerwind: this is not a debian support channel, sorry. This is Ubuntu only.
[15:58] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Sounds good, give the mini iso a try and tell us how it went:)
[15:58] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: hmm, maybe I plugged them into the wrong slot and didn't notice. I'll try one more time with the boot stick I have then give the usb minial iso a try.
[15:58] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: thanks again!
[15:58] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: np, good luck:)
[15:58] <Southern_Gentlem> nicomachus, they said ubuntu in a vm
[15:59] <fishcooker> how to enable the key again after do $ xmodmap -e 'keycode 72='
[15:59] <squealingcode> Learnerwind: Are you having trouble with add-apt-repository in the Ubuntu VM?
[15:59] <nicomachus> Southern_Gentlem: sometimes I read too fast.
[15:59] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:59] <squealingcode> Have you installed the software-properties common package?
[15:59] <Learnerwind> nicomahus: The I am using ubuntu in a virtal machine and i am having problems uding git, npm and add-apt-repository. Could someone help me?
[15:59] <Learnerwind> squealingcode: Yes
[15:59] <nicomachus> Learnerwind: can you explain the problems?
[15:59] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: your issue is setting up proper networking within your VM. That is a debian issue.
[15:59] <squealingcode> Ok, what problems are you having (on the Ubuntu installation)?
[15:59] <Southern_Gentlem> nicomachus, after rereading it again maybe i read it wrong
[16:00] <squealingcode> This is not a Debian support channel, so please stick to questions about the Ubuntu installation.
[16:00] <Learnerwind> All these problems show errors
[16:00] <Learnerwind> All these programs show errors
[16:00] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: your issue is setting up proper networking within your VM. That is a debian issue.
[16:01] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: you need to get proper networking setup for your VM on the debian host. It has little to do with the Ubuntu installation. Once you have networking setup, the ubuntu install will more than likely just work
[16:01] <squealingcode> If you're using VBox, you should check that you're networking is set to either NAT or bridge it with your physical network adapter. Other than that, I would refer you to the VBox or Debian channels.
[16:01] <Learnerwind> virt-manager
[16:01] <Learnerwind> It is NAT
[16:02] <Learnerwind> Is there any virt-manager channel?
[16:02] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: within the Ubuntu guest, can you ping your router?
[16:02] <squealingcode> Ok, but the troubles you are having are network related, right?
[16:02] <Learnerwind> I cam ping google and wget
[16:02] <squealingcode> Ok, so you're able to browse the web etc in the vm?
[16:02] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: you can ping google.com ?
[16:02] <Learnerwind> yes
[16:02] <Learnerwind> with dns
[16:03] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: what version of ubuntu are you running within the VM?
[16:03] <squealingcode> Ok, great.
[16:03] <TomyWork> i want to confirm an issue with debian package management in ubuntu. what's the earliest release based on about the same package versions as debian stretch?
[16:03] <Learnerwind> 16.04
[16:03] <Learnerwind> Linux Miner-server 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:03] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: ok, paste yo pastebin the errors you get when you run: apt-get update
[16:03] <Learnerwind> No errors in apt-get
[16:03] <leftyfb> ok, what about add-apt-repository?
[16:04] <Learnerwind> yeah
[16:04] <Learnerwind> I will pastebin it
[16:04] <TomyWork> Learnerwind thanks. the issue is present on ubuntu 16.04 as well
[16:04] <leftyfb> TomyWork: Learnerwind is having their own issue and was not responding to you
[16:04] <TomyWork> oh, but the reply helped nonetheless :D
[16:04] <TomyWork> anyway, apt-mark hold is broken
[16:05] <tomreyn> TomyWork: I think Learnerwind was not responding to you. i suggest you compare ubuntu and debian release dates and then versions of some packages.
[16:05] <squealingcode> TomyWork: I believe Learnerwind was answering another question, but I'd agree that 16.04 and up are the most equal to strretch
[16:05] <squealingcode> Stretch*
[16:05] <Learnerwind> I was using add-apt-repository to add a repository that i added manually. I will find some to use as example
[16:05] <BillD73> nicomachus: foudn it i hope  trying it out in a sec https://2buntu.com/articles/1410/receiving-files-via-bluetooth-on-ubuntu/
[16:06] <zomaar> TomyWork: For PHP you have Xenial with Stretch but in other respects you can probably better compare with Yakkety or Zesty
[16:06] <zomaar> TomyWork: I would say Xenial is more like Jessie, but a bit ahead
[16:06] <tomreyn> TomyWork: ubuntu release information is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[16:06] <nicomachus> tomreyn: "apt-mark hold is broken"........ how?
[16:07] <nicomachus> err.. TomyWork not tomreyn ^
[16:07] <tomreyn> ;)
[16:07] <TomyWork> nicomachus hrm, actually it's only somewhat broken
[16:07] <nicomachus> stupid tab complete can't read my mind yet
[16:07] <nicomachus> TomyWork: that still gives me absolutely zero info to help you
[16:07] <BillD73> nicomachus: that worked. Now just got to figure out how to tell ubuntu exactly where I want the files put lol
[16:08] <TomyWork> on my fresh stretch box, holds get removed by subsequent installs
[16:08] <nicomachus> BillD73: I usually just let it put files wherever it wants and then move them.
[16:08] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:08] <nicomachus> TomyWork: "stretch box"?
[16:08] <leftyfb> TomyWork: that is a debian issue. Please consult #debian
[16:08] <BillD73> nicomachus: to much clutter lol
[16:08] <zomaar> leftyfb: He was comparing with Ubuntu and saying it was the same on Ubuntu
[16:09] <JTech> how do I install a different wireless driver? someone reported they fixed their issue by installing it, but I can't find out how. it's not purely firmware, is it? it's a BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#brcmsmac_driver_.28Open-source.29
[16:09] <TomyWork> nicomachus debian 9 stretch
[16:09] <leftyfb> zomaar: then why are they mentioning "on my fresh stretch box"?
[16:09] <zomaar> leftyfb: He was not asking for support, nicomachus inquired about his problem
[16:09] <Learnerwind> https://pastebin.com/VTXWMR03
[16:09] <nicomachus> JTech: what is your current driver? and what driver are you wanting to install?
[16:09] <Learnerwind> node
[16:09] <TomyWork> on xenial, apt-mark behaved a bit weirdly, then returned to normal
[16:10] <nicomachus> TomyWork: sounds like you're all set then.
[16:10] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: please paste the entire command and output of your issue with add-apt-repository
[16:10] <Learnerwind> I am waiting to the add-repository give up and show the error message
[16:10] <TomyWork> i did apt-mark hold mc; apt-mark hold kate
[16:10] <TomyWork> apt-mark showhold showed only kate
[16:10] <JTech> nicomachus, currently using Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver source from bcmwl-kernel-source (open source)
[16:10] <nicomachus> JTech: can you please paste the output of 'sudo lshw -C network' to a pastebin and link here?
[16:10] <JTech> nicomachus, and I'm trying to get brcmsmac driver instead.
[16:10] <TomyWork> nicomachus i dont think i'm all set, no. it shouldn't behave this way
[16:11] <TomyWork> like, ever
[16:11] <nicomachus> TomyWork: well if you're on debian, maybe ask the guys and gals at #debian
[16:11] <TomyWork> nicomachus yeah already did, just wanted to see if i can reproduce the issue on ubuntu
[16:12] <TomyWork> and, in part, i can
[16:12] <JTech> nicomachus, https://pastebin.com/eK1PXBH6
[16:13] <altaiir> Hello, I need help causes with irssi on ubuntu 16.04 I can scroll up in shell-console but not in the gui-terminal
[16:13] <Learnerwind> https://pastebin.com/MeFSgkT0
[16:13] <nicomachus> JTech: you currently have no driver installed at all, so just do 'sudo apt install brcmsmac'
[16:13] <Learnerwind> Here it is
[16:13] <JTech> nicomachus, oh, thank you.
[16:14] <JTech> do I need to restart to get wireless drivers working?
[16:14] <TomyWork> i'm willing to wager it's the same issue on xenial and stretch, just different levels of expression
[16:14] <Learnerwind> git also show errors
[16:14] <EriC^^> altaiir: try 'page up'
[16:14] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: are you still here?
[16:14] <nicomachus> JTech: nope. did it install?
[16:14] <TomyWork> luckily it's worse on upstream, so one can hope for a more complete fix :)
[16:14] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Yes, I am here :)
[16:14] <JTech> nicomachus, it installed. but no change to network listings. :(
[16:14] <nicomachus> JTech: after it installs, 'sudo modprobe brcm80211'
[16:15] <altaiir> Hello, I need help causes with irssi on ubuntu 16.04 I can scroll up in shell-console but not in the gui-terminal
[16:15] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: yay, this time I can get to the Select Language menu in the minimal install but the keyboard seems to stop responding (or maybe everything has frozen, I can't really tell the difference)
[16:15] <nicomachus> altaiir: try #irssi
[16:15] <NoYzE1> page up and down?
[16:15] <NoYzE1> without shift
[16:15] <NoYzE1> or alt
[16:15] <NoYzE1> works in console for me
[16:15] <nicomachus> NoYzE1: that should be it, yea. but altaiir should ask in #irssi
[16:15] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: do I need a PS2 keyboard?
[16:15] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Have you tried connecting the keyboard to some of the other USB-ports?
[16:16] <ubuntu-struggler> yep
[16:16] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: No, that should not be necessary. Hm...
[16:16] <altaiir> nicomachus: 'k thanks, bye #ubuntu
[16:16] <NoYzE1> nicomachus oh ok ;)
[16:16] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Never had that much trouble installing Ubuntu :-P My only advice is to reboot and try loading up the installer once again.
[16:17] <ubuntu-struggler> I've done that step many times! haha
[16:17] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: haha, I can imagine ;-)
[16:17] <tomreyn> the way i parsed altaiir's question, scrolling works in irssi but not on the virtual terminal. if so, pointing to #irssi would be wrong.
[16:17] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: If the kernel of the installer has trouble with your USB, the installed system will also
[16:17] <JTech> nicomachus, modprobe: FATAL: Module brcm80211 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic
[16:17] <nicomachus> ha
[16:17] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: In fact the kernel that is loaded is copied onto the installed system
[16:17] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Could you open your BIOS/UEFI settings and check if Legacy USB is enabled?
[16:18] <nicomachus> JTech: and you're sure you installed it?
[16:18] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: if I install Ubuntu to a HDD on an AMD machine can I then put that HDD in this system? Will the ubuntu install care about different CPUs/motherboard components?
[16:18] <ubuntu-struggler> squealingcode: I'll check bios again, I think everything it set to legacy already but maybe I missed something
[16:18] <JTech> nicomachus, crap. I shouldn't have messed with the driver settings to "not use this device" apply that, then cancel it when you told me to do that command. :(
[16:18] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: If your USB is writable you can copy a new kernel in place if you want
[16:18] <nicomachus> tomreyn: I'm in #irssi too so I can help either way, but it clears the clutter here.
[16:18] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: Not the best way, but it usually works, yes.
[16:19] <tomreyn> nicomachus: well done! :)
[16:19] <nicomachus> JTech: https://askubuntu.com/questions/94021/how-do-i-get-the-broadcom-bcm4313-wireless-working-on-an-asus-1015px#97368
[16:19] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: I'm not sure what that means?
[16:19] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: You can install on that other box indeed
[16:19] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/MeFSgkT0
[16:19] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: You will need to upgrade the kernel of your installed system instantly to see if that will help with the USB
[16:20] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: you are trying to add a non-existing (possibly no longer existing) PPA.
[16:20] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: do I do that through GRUB?
[16:20] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: The kernel in /casper/vmlinuz.efi is the same as that in /boot/vmlinuz-....... on your installed system
[16:20] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: I think I can get into GRUB with the minimal install-- I wasn't able to with the full iso
[16:21] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: If you can install the system you can upgrade the kernel also
[16:22] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: I'm sorry I'm not sure what your suggesting that I try, you're talking a little over my head
[16:22] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: No I am sorry you cannot replace the kernel on the installer
[16:22] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: I am just saying that Ubuntu will have an issue with your USB controller
[16:22] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: hmm, okay
[16:23] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: Your USB is probably not even supported
[16:23] <electricmilk> What about installing with the alternative non-gui installer?
[16:23] <squealingcode> That's what he's doing.
[16:23] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: It is the same with all repositories
[16:23] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: But if you install on the AMD system first you could upgrade your kernel and then maybe you are lucky
[16:23] <electricmilk> oh
[16:23] <squealingcode> If you're responding to ubuntu-struggler
[16:23] <electricmilk> yea
[16:23] <electricmilk> Interesting
[16:23] <Learnerwind> And i also got that node problem
[16:23] <JTech> nicomachus, the 1st command won't run even after I install gksudo. gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[16:24] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: Upgrading a kernel is standard operation
[16:24] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: which ubuntu version do you run there?
[16:24] <Learnerwind> Linux Miner-server 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:24] <Learnerwind> inside a vm
[16:24] <__rob> zomaar, so I updated the source.list but it still won't do-release-upgrade
[16:24] <__rob> what am I missing?
[16:24] <zomaar> __rob: That was for your real problem
[16:24] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: lsb_release -ds
[16:25] <JTech> nicomachus, sorry. should I have clarified. I get a password window pop up, but it doesn't run anything after I type it in.
[16:25] <zomaar> __rob: do-release-upgrade won't ever work
[16:25] <Learnerwind> Do you know a ppa: that you are sure that exists?
[16:25] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: are you suggesting that I update the kernel on my USB thumb drive before booting from it?
[16:25] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[16:25] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: That was in error
[16:26] <EriC^^> __rob: from what to what are you trying to upgrade?
[16:26] <__rob> right, so that url about upgrade from EOL says ypgrade kernel (which you say hasn't changed so this is not needed)
[16:26] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: Oh, well it sounds like a good idea
[16:26] <__rob> 16.10 -> latest
[16:26] <JTech> oh I see my mistake. gedit isn't installed either.
[16:26] <nicomachus> JTech: you can use nano or ed or vim instead
[16:26] <__rob> yakkety
[16:26] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: As I said above I am having problems running git, npm and add-apt-repository on a vm
[16:26] <__rob> the EOL url says to run
[16:26] <nicomachus> JTech: but gedit should be isntalled by default...
[16:26] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: alright, unless there are better ideas I'm going to see if this thing will boot Ubuntu from an already installed HDD...
[16:27] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: You can't upgrade that kernel on the USB because you also need a new initrd.gz
[16:27] <__rob> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:27] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: You just need to install on another system and then hope for the best
[16:27] <__rob> the second fails on a missing package
[16:27] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: I mean another motherboard
[16:27] <__rob> E: Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/snapd-glib/snapd-login-service_1.2-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb  404  Not Found
[16:27] <__rob> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[16:28] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-kernel-team/pti; sudo apt-get update
[16:28] <ubuntu-struggler> zomaar: I'll give that a try! Thanks!
[16:28] <zomaar> ubuntu-struggler: Yes
[16:29] <__rob> mildly confused aswell, if dist-upgrade upgrades, why does the url suggest then to run do-release-upgrade
[16:29] <__rob> shame is that this is the offical docs
[16:29] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: the PPA you tried to use had not been maintained since many years, and was not available for / compatible to your ubuntu release.
[16:29] <EriC^^> __rob: that's the ubuntu way of upgrading, who knows
[16:29] <__rob> yea, ok
[16:29] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: if you just run "sudo apt-get update", do you get errors, too?
[16:30] <Learnerwind> No
[16:30] <__rob> so any idea on that missing package?
[16:30] <zomaar> __rob: What do you have in your sources.list now?
[16:30] <Learnerwind> I guess it is an ssl issue
[16:30] <auronandace> !dist-upgrade
[16:30] <zomaar> __rob: old-releases can only be used to upgrade within Yakkety or to Zesty
[16:30] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: No, I guess it is an ssl issue
[16:30] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: can you provide some error messages you get when something does not work?
[16:30] <Learnerwind> Yeah
[16:31] <__rob> zomaar: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26417301/
[16:31] <__rob> this and only this
[16:31] <__rob> which was suggested in EOL url
[16:31] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: It is hanging. When it outputs something i post here
[16:32] <__rob> is do I have the correct values in sources.list?
[16:32] <__rob> !upgrade
[16:32] <zomaar> __rob: For within Yakkety, yes
[16:32] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/if7ac3Ln
[16:32] <Learnerwind> Same error
[16:32] <Learnerwind> add-apt-repository, node, and i faced some issues with git too
[16:33] <sajan> Has anyone installed Ubuntu on an Acer Laptop. I am continously being hounded by NO BOOTABLE DISK FOUND after repeated attempts
[16:33] <__rob> zomaar: so when you say within Yakkety, you mean to the latest version before it was EOL ?
[16:33] <zomaar> __rob: Yeah
[16:34] <__rob> if so, can I then upgrade from tha version to the latest?
[16:34] <__rob> I dont mind doing multiple upgrades if thats the easiest path
[16:34] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: one issue at a time
[16:34] <__rob> but I want to be in a position where I can get updates etc..
[16:34] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: check the date/time on your VM. Is it correct?
[16:34] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: I guess they are the same issue
[16:35] <akik> shouldn't there be documentation in apt-get if your install goes stale, on how to update?
[16:35] <zomaar> __rob: Maybe someone else can help you with that
[16:35] <zomaar> __rob: I just wanted to help you fix this tiny problem
[16:35] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: can you run this and tell us the URL it returns? : wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | pastebinit
[16:35] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: they are the same
[16:35] <__rob> zommar: so the tiny problem being that I don't actually need to upgrade atall ?
[16:36] <__rob> zommar: just need to update my source.list ?
[16:36] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: regardless, we stick with 1 troubleshooting path at a time
[16:36] <zomaar> __rob: You wanted to install that package; this was the solution for that
[16:36] <__rob> ok, you know what for now I will go back to doing that
[16:36] <__rob> upgrade looks like a minefield
[16:36] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I don't think pastebinit is installed by default
[16:36] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: sure
[16:36] <__rob> so for that, I just find and replace in my original sources.list ?
[16:36] <zomaar> clear
[16:37] <EriC^^> __rob: what have you done?
[16:37] <zomaar> __rob: You already did that
[16:37] <EriC^^> what were you trying to do, and what did you do?
[16:37] <tomreyn> leftyfb: hmm, you are probably right, but then it will provide a helpful message on how to install it.
[16:37] <zomaar> __rob: You were already done except for that strange error
[16:37] <__rob> well I the original source.list had quite a few more urls, the one I pasted here (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26417301/) was replaced from that upgrade url
[16:38] <nicomachus> leftyfb: it's not, unfortunately. there's something you can do with termbin but I don't know the command
[16:38] <__rob> I will paste my original source.list
[16:38] <tomreyn> | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:38] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: Failed to contact the server: [Errno socket error] [SSL: SSLV3_ALERT_BAD_RECORD_MAC] sslv3 alert bad record mac (_ssl.c:645)
[16:38] <nicomachus> tomreyn: that's it. :D
[16:39] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: is your date/time correct in the VM?
[16:39] <__rob> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26417342/
[16:39] <zomaar> __rob: Then just replace those values in your original
[16:39] <__rob> this is my original
[16:39] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: mine was
[16:39] <zomaar> __rob: Don't make it harder than it needs to be ;-).
[16:39] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: Is this machine going through a proxy?
[16:40] <zomaar> __rob: If you want a dist-upgrade to another distribution that can come after
[16:40] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: hmm yes that'll be a bad middlebox
[16:40] <zomaar> __rob: That's a different support question you know.
[16:40] <zomaar> __rob: Focus ;-).
[16:40] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: I cant tell it. It is configured to nat. It it is a proxy I dont know how to tell
[16:40] <__rob> right, ok
[16:41] <__rob> so only the archive. urls repalced with old-releases.
[16:41] <__rob> ?
[16:41] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: I tested the time with : ssh miner@ip date && date
[16:41] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: can you run the same command on the host? do you receive a different message?
[16:41] <__rob> as per your original suggestion ?
[16:41] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: same date
[16:41] <zomaar> __rob: Yes
[16:41] <__rob> leave the rest alone?
[16:41] <zomaar> __rob: Yes
[16:41] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: Host is working fine
[16:41] <Learnerwind> I will run the command
[16:41] <zomaar> __rob: Unless there is also a security domain or something.
[16:42] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: the host might be fine, the guest might be fine, but the guest -> host -> internet might not be fine
[16:42] <zomaar> __rob: mirrors.online.net also
[16:42] <zomaar> __rob: Everything pointing to regular ubuntu mirrors
[16:42] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: What kind of issue: How to track and kill?
[16:43] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: Not sure. That would be the libvirt networking configuration on debian
[16:43] <zomaar> __rob: Everything has to become old-releases.ubuntu.com
[16:43] <zomaar> __rob: There are no mirrors anymore at this point
[16:43] <zomaar> __rob: Also change security with the same
[16:44] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: on the host ppastebint only outputs: http://paste.debian.net/
[16:44] <nacc> zomaar: __rob: security is a bit different than the others, you go from security.ubuntu.com CODENAME to old-releases.ubuntu.com CODENAME-security
[16:45] <leftyfb> zomaar: __rob: understand that using old-releases.ubuntu.com as opposed to properly upgrading is a dead end. You will no longer get updates.
[16:45] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: ok, i guess pastebinit is broken there. use this instead: wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:45] <squealingcode> ubuntu-struggler: I'm going offline. Good luck with the installation, hope it works out:)
[16:45] <leftyfb> pastebinit is working fine for me
[16:46] <ubuntu-struggler> thanks!
[16:46] <ubuntu-struggler> I hope so too!
[16:46] <nacc> leftyfb: sorry, just got here, but i was assumign they were doing an eol upgrade
[16:46] <nacc> leftyfb: +1 on if not, they should not use it
[16:46] <Learnerwind> http://termbin.com/n2q2
[16:46] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: This netcat trick is new to me
[16:46] <leftyfb> nacc: old-releases is requires for an eol upgrade?
[16:46] <nacc> leftyfb: yes
[16:46] <nacc> leftyfb: well "required"
[16:47] <nacc> if the user kept their system up to date, then no, it's not strictly required
[16:47] <nacc> but they let their system go eol without upgrading
[16:47] <nacc> so the likelihood of that is lower :)
[16:47] <leftyfb> hm, didn't know that
[16:47] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: just to confirm, on the Ubuntu 16.04 VM, this message "Failed to contact the server: [Errno socket error] [SSL: SSLV3_ALERT_BAD_RECORD_MAC] sslv3 alert bad record mac (_ssl.c:645)"  was the result of which command exactly?
[16:47] <leftyfb> of course, I never run non LTS :)
[16:47] <nacc> leftyfb: old-releases gets the old release uptodate to the point it went eol; and then you do-release-upgrade from there
[16:47] <Learnerwind> The one you sent to me
[16:47] <zomaar> nacc: Thanks for the correction
[16:47] <nacc> leftyfb: so 'recommended', perhaps, than strictly required
[16:47] <Learnerwind> Learnerwind: can you run this and tell us the URL it returns? : wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | pastebinit
[16:48] <nacc> zomaar: it's the easiest one to miss
[16:48] <leftyfb> nacc: I did have a hardy box running with old-releases forever just to not get errors and to be able to install a few packages here and there. It's since been shot dead, but not that long ago :)
[16:48] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: Learnerwind: can you run this and tell us the URL it returns? : wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | pastebinit
[16:49] <nacc> leftyfb: yeah it's also used for that, but obviously that case isn't really supported here :)
[16:49] <leftyfb> oh, don't I know it
[16:49] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: thanks. can you run the variant with 'nc' on both the debian host and the ubuntu VM and report their outputs?
[16:49] <__rob> zomaar, thanks does work now for installing node.js
[16:49] <__rob> still feel like I should be updating my release at some point
[16:50] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: that's: wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:50] <zomaar> __rob: Now if you want to upgrade further you have to either upgrade to Zesty first or make the jump directly to Aardvark
[16:50] <nacc> __rob: immediately, you're insecure if you're actively using old-releases
[16:50] <zomaar> __rob: Although people here recommend to install anew of course
[16:50] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: ubuntu: http://termbin.com/q6x1
[16:50] <nacc> zomaar: i *believe* you have to go through 17.10 no matter what
[16:51] <aayan> i want to sharee snapshot of an error respond is it possible?
[16:51] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: debian: http://termbin.com/y64i
[16:51] <aayan> to share here
[16:51] <nicomachus> aayan: upload to imgur.com and share the link here
[16:51] <nacc> !screenshots | aayan
[16:51] <nicomachus> nacc: beatcha
[16:51] <zomaar> nacc: You mean through 17.04?
[16:51] <aayan> ok
[16:52] <nacc> zomaar: err, yeah, sorry, they are on 16.10??
[16:52] <zomaar> nacc: Yeah
[16:52] <nacc> zomaar: they should just reinstall :)
[16:52] <leftyfb> ewww
[16:52] <nacc> being two releases EOL, means they are not a good admin of their own system
[16:52] <nacc> and should install LTS
[16:52] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: okay, so this HTTP request works on both systems. what triggered the SSL error message was the attempt to post the result to the ubuntu pastebin. so let's test with that instead (instrcutions coming up).
[16:52] <nacc> nicomachus: dang
[16:52] <zomaar> nacc: upgrading to Zesty probably has no benefit
[16:52] <nicomachus> nacc ++ on the reinstall of LTS
[16:52] <zomaar> nacc: do-release-upgrade doens't even work
[16:53] <nacc> zomaar: hrm?
[16:53] <nicomachus> zomaar: because it's EOL....
[16:53] <nacc> zomaar: i believe you will have to eol  upgrade yakkety -> zesty, then again zesty -> artful
[16:53] <nacc> zomaar: the yakkety -> artful path would not be tested or necessarily work
[16:53] <zomaar> nicomachus: Maybe it failed because Zesty is now also in old-releases though
[16:53] <leftyfb> quicker/cleaner to just reinstall from scratch and restore from backup
[16:53] <JTech> nicomachus, oh. my mistake. I missed E: Unable to locate package brcmsmac
[16:53] <nicomachus> JTech: please double check the package name
[16:54] <nacc> leftyfb: zomaar: especially because this *cannot* be a system they care about
[16:54] <nacc> it hasn't received any updates for months
[16:54] <zomaar> __rob: do-release-upgrade might fail because the sources have also moved to old-releases
[16:54] <zomaar> __rob: For the upgrade you'd get
[16:55] <endboss> Hi, does lubuntu contain any performance tweaks apart from shipping with LXDE and simpler applications by default? Is it anything that a regular ubuntu install can't be turned into via package installs/uninstalls?
[16:55] <nicomachus> endboss: nope, just a different de and applications
[16:55] <nicomachus> endboss: easy to convert a regular install.
[16:55] <JTech> nicomachus, oh, I see. hm. same problem. E: Unable to locate package brcm80211
[16:55] <nacc> endboss: and config changes
[16:56] <nacc> (possibly)
[16:56] <zomaar> Not everyone is always in the position to upgrade
[16:56] <zomaar> Ie. you might have been away for a year
[16:56] <nacc> zomaar: ...
[16:56] <zomaar> Or locked up somewhere
[16:56] <zomaar> Or seriously ill
[16:57] <JTech> did my internet go out?
[16:57] <JTech> hrm. nope.
[16:57] <nicomachus> JTech: the package is brcmsmac
[16:57] <zomaar> Besides upgrading can be a hassle really
[16:57] <zomaar> E.g. PHP5->7 and so on
[16:57] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: try this on both systems:  wget -O/dev/null --debug 'https://paste.ubuntu.com/' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:57] <nacc> zomaar: if you're suggesting it's better to run an EOL release than to upgrade, i'm sorry, you should't be helping here
[16:57] <endboss> TYVM, and one more question: what is the simplest iso image upon which I can install only what I need?
[16:58] <siva_machina> or without a reliable internet connection
[16:58] <mad_moses> hi, I have an android phone with spotify and I want to connect it via bluetooth with my ubuntu computer and play music. Is there a nice tool?
[16:58] <nicomachus> endboss: there is a mini.iso
[16:58] <nicomachus> mad_moses: just use spotify connect with spotify installed on both devices.
[16:58] <siva_machina> or if upgrade from ubuntu version to ubuntu version. A reliable way to backup data
[16:58] <zomaar> nacc: I'm saying it's better to stay on the shore rather than try to jump 10 meters
[16:58] <nicomachus> mad_moses: otherwise, check out icecast
[16:58] <JTech> nicomachus, but that's how I typed it the 1st time. E: Unable to locate package brcmsmac
[16:58] <Learnerwind> romreyn: debian: http://termbin.com/8x0q
[16:59] <nicomachus> !info icecast | mad_moses
[16:59] <nicomachus> oh
[16:59] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: ubuntu: http://termbin.com/ll02
[16:59] <nicomachus> JTech: how about firmware-brcm80211
[16:59] <mad_moses> nicomachus: in this case my computer has no internet (not permanent). I will check out icecast.
[16:59] <JTech> nicomachus, nope.
[17:00] <siva_machina> the 0ackage may be called icecast2
[17:00] <JTech> nicomachus, neither firmware-brcmsmac
[17:01] <endboss> nicomachus: does the mini.iso install a base system that can at least boot into a shell, i.e. am I going to need to DL anything during install to get a base system?
[17:01] <JTech> "The open-source brcmsmac driver for PCIe devices is available from the brcm80211 module of the linux kernel package, maintained upstream by the linux kernel community. For more granular support information, please see their wiki page here."  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#brcmsmac_driver_.28Open-source.29
[17:01] <nicomachus> JTech: and what was the problem with bcmwl-kernel-source?
[17:01] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: thanks. so are you somehow manipulating the VMs traffic on purpose? like sending it through a proxy, using anti virus or anti malware or internet security software or similar?
[17:01] <JTech> but I don't know which of the links there tells you how to install the driver.
[17:01] <mad_moses> ubottu: okay, any recomendation?
[17:01] <nicomachus> endboss: the mini.iso does dowload a lot during install. if you just want base shell with no GUI, you can install the server iso
[17:02] <JTech> nicomachus, I don't remember that.
[17:02] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: If it is using a proxy I dont know. And I use no security software
[17:02] <endboss> nicomachus: OK, thank you
[17:03] <siva_machina> endboss the mini.iso lets you choose a de.
[17:03] <nicomachus> JTech: bcmwl-kernel-source is the normal broadcom driver, I thought you had an issue with that
[17:03] <JTech> nicomachus, well wireless internet isn't working at all, and a lot of the search results suggest changing drivers.
[17:04] <nicomachus> JTech: well you didn't have a driver at all when we started this.
[17:04] <nicomachus> JTech: so try installing bcmwl-kernel-source
[17:05] <JTech> nicomachus, alright. I'll try that after I reset from disabling it. that page you linked me, 1st reply suggests I disable bcmwl-kernel-source
[17:05] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: is this debian host machine at your home or on some corporate or university network?
[17:06] <nicomachus> JTech: that was with that driver behaving poorly
[17:06] <superKiller> hello. can someone help with where else can i find the files specified?(as shown in the 64 bit version here), it would be of great help. link : http://sourcedigit.com/22814-install-linux-kernel-4-14-rc5/
[17:06] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: lerftyfb: The debian is not behind a proxy. I dont know if there is a proxy between vm and debian
[17:06] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: your SSL handshakes are failing. those are essential to setup encrypted TCP connections such as for HTTPS. this can be a result of an improperly configured NAT setup where not all response packets reach the origin server (your VM). another possible source of this issue is duplicate IP address assignments (to multiple computers or NICs)
[17:06] <superKiller> the links shown there return a 404 error
[17:06] <leftyfb> Learnerwind: is this debian host machine at your home or on some corporate or university network?
[17:06] <jfmcarreira> hey guys. what is the channel for ubuntu launchpad help regarding build recipes?
[17:07] <Learnerwind> leftyfb: home
[17:07] <nicomachus> !alis | jfmcarreira
[17:07] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: either way, at this point this is most definitely a network configuration issue, not an issue inside the ubuntu VM.
[17:08] <akik> superKiller: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[17:08] <Learnerwind> tomreyn: Thank you for the help.
[17:09] <superKiller> akik: its a big list where do i find those 3 files
[17:09] <endboss> siva_machina: thanks as well
[17:09] <leftyfb> superKiller: why do you need that kernel?
[17:10] <superKiller> leftyfb: it fixes a touchpad issue on my machine
[17:10] <akik> superKiller: scroll down, and it'll be there
[17:11] <superKiller> akik: yep found it. thanks :)
[17:11] <TJ-> superKiller: those files are on the kernel-ppa web-server for each release, e.g. for 4.15-rc8 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15-rc8/
[17:13] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: actually there are two more causes i can think of where it could be caused by the ubuntu system: (1) you replaced the openssl libraries on ubuntu by some others, such as downloaded from a PPA or elsewhere; (2) you replaced wget or its libraries on ubuntu by some others, such as downloaded from a PPA or elsewhere
[17:13] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: hopefully, though, you would know if you did such, since that is a very dangerous thing to do.
[17:14] <Learnerwind> I couldnt add ppa to do (1); (2) No, one of the first progarms i ran was add-repository
[17:15] <Learnerwind> I added ppa manually in source.lis t
[17:17] <tomreyn> Learnerwind: so, yes, most likely a network issue. you would debug this using tcpdump, but that's a topic for ##networking
[17:19] <blip99> !eol zesty
[17:19] <blip99> !eol
[17:19] <blip99> !logs
[17:20] <aayan> i wan to share screenshot?
[17:20] <aayan> i want to share?
[17:21] <nacc> aayan: you were told how, use imgur
[17:21] <aayan> imgur site takes too much time time to load
[17:22] <aayan> and i have very slow network connectivity
[17:22] <akik> aayan: 3 seconds is too much?
[17:22] <akik> aayan: ok
[17:22] <akik> aayan: it doesn't help then to choose another site if your internet connection is slow. use imgur
[17:22] <blip99> !eolupgrade | blip99
[17:23] <aayan> m getting speed of 10 to 15 kbps
[17:23] <aayan> any alternative option?
[17:23] <akik> aayan: there's another site i've used: https://transfer.sh/ they have a cli interface too
[17:24] <blip99> Guys.  I'm on zesty, who's support ended a few days ago.  Is that the reason I get these messages when i apt-get update?    E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[17:24] <blip99> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default
[17:24] <nacc> blip99: it's eol
[17:24] <nacc> blip99: so the archive has been removed
[17:24] <nacc> blip99: follow the eolupgrade guide and move to artful
[17:25] <blip99> nacc, im trying to debug some code on a deadline, cant risk upgrading distro.  Is there a quick fix to let me install some simpel packages?
[17:25] <BillD73> i have the deafault desktop env for 16.04, guessing thats unity. 2 questions, in event of a screen freeze(low end equipment) is there a keyboard shortcut to restart the current tty(F7) with x running or just switch to an alt tty and manually issue it? 2nd part, which desktop env would you suggest for a lowned maching 1GB  DDR2 ram, 1.66GHz intel(ASUS Eee PC)
[17:25] <nacc> blip99: it will be unsupported whatever you do
[17:25] <lastebill> use synaptic package manager maybe? blip99?
[17:25] <nacc> blip99: and vulnerable to things like spectre/meltdown
[17:26] <nacc> blip99: but you can use the eolupgrade guide to add old-releases and install packages
[17:26] <nacc> blip99: but keep in mind, any bug you find, is unfixable
[17:28] <nacc> blip99: and i highly advise you learn about lts support schedules
[17:28] <nacc> blip99: and non-lts, if you are unable to upgrade in proper time
[17:28] <blip99> nacc, ok. yeah it's my first time in 10+ years using non-lts
[17:29] <nacc> blip99: and this is the consequence :)
[17:29] <nacc> blip99: i would suggest lts only
[17:31] <blip99> nacc, thanks, im following the update sources.list section to add old-releases urls
[17:31] <nacc> blip99: just add but replace
[17:31] <TJ-> nacc: I've a 16.04 system that came back from "systemctl suspend" within a few seconds but still thinks it is asleep (e.g. "nmcli gen" reports "asleep" and therefore no networking, log files not being updated). Before I reboot it is there anything I should look at to capture useful info for a bug report and/or try to wake it up?
[17:31] <lastebill> would it be appropriate to direct armbian related questions to this channel?
[17:32] <nacc> lastebill: no, that's not ubuntu, afaik
[17:32] <blip99> nacc, +1
[17:32] <nacc> blip99: err, not just add but replace, i meant :)
[17:32] <lastebill> oh ok
[17:32] <nacc> TJ-: i think the syslog might help (i think systemd logs there) or the journal from just before to just after the suspend
[17:33] <nacc> TJ-: i don't know much about modern S/R though
[17:33] <aayan> https://transfer.sh/Dungl/kt.png
[17:33] <aayan> plz check
[17:34] <nacc> TJ-: does sytemd think it is running (systemctl is-system-running)
[17:35] <aayan> i didn't get it ?
[17:35] <aayan> whtz tht?
[17:35] <blip99> nacc, worked. thanks!
[17:36] <aayan> how to close that?
[17:37] <TJ-> nacc: yes, but "degraded" - what's weird is dmesg shows "Suspended for 23820.646 seconds" for a 1 second suspend :)
[17:37] <Jordan_U> blip99: Now is a particularly bad time to not be receiving security updates as working attacks using spectre/meltdown have been developed and are becomming easier to use to exploit machines each day.
[17:39] <blip99> Jordan_U, thanks. i'll upgrade for sure next week
[17:40] <saberu> hey guys can someone help me get chrooted sftp login working?
[17:40] <saberu> I've been stuck on this for days! :( some issue with directory/file permissions
[17:40] <Badegakk> Hi, fresh install and i cant get shutdown to work, it ends with a msg like power: shutdown and it hangs
[17:41] <Badegakk> i have tryed halt in consol aswell and same problem
[17:41] <saberu> the home diretory chown is set to root:user and user has read/write permission but it won't let me read or write
[17:41] <saberu> then ofcourse if i change permissions to something like 775 i can read/write but it wont let me login :)
[17:42] <nacc> TJ-: sounds like a timesource issue
[17:43] <TJ-> nacc: yes. not so much worried about that (I've seen this kind of thing with spurious wake-ups from USB etc. but intrigued as to why network-manager in particular hasn't woken up correctly when the system resumed
[17:43] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Once you've given up hope of debugging the issue, rather than rebooting I'd be curious what another "systemctl suspend" results in.
[17:45] <arthur> Hello
[17:45] <nacc> Jordan_U: heh
[17:46] <TJ-> Jordan_U: yeah... might be as much fun as current 'kexec' brokenness :)
[17:47] <TJ-> there used to be an nmcli nm sleep [true|false] but that's changed and there doesn't seem to be a replacement for it
[17:50] <karolyi> has anyone seen this SSHD message? ssh_sandbox_child: setrlimit(RLIMIT_FSIZE, { 0, 0 }): Function not implemented [preauth]
[17:51] <karolyi> I can't login to my box after an upgrade
[17:52] <juni> I got an issue with a brother printer. The test page looks perfect, but when I try to print, the printer continues to draw pages without printing anything until the paper is depleted.
[17:56] <Badegakk> when i do shutdown -r now it shuts down x and it hangs with this as the last msg: power: shutdown
[17:56] <Neo4> why need this /etc/mailname ?
[17:57] <Neo4> in postfix myorigin = /etc/mailname I looked there and there this v119512.kvm.test-hf.su
[17:57] <Badegakk> /etc/mailname. The plain text file /etc/mailname is used by the Mail Transfer Agent (i.e. mail server) to know its own hostname.
[17:58] <Neo4> it's in all ubuntu this file exists
[17:58] <Neo4> each server will use this file?
[17:59] <Badegakk> i quess you could make postfix to point to another file
[17:59] <TJ-> nacc: Jordan_U "systemctl suspend" ==> "Failed to suspend system via logind: There's already a shutdown or sleep operation in progress" !! The attempted suspend was about 9 hours ago :)
[17:59] <Neo4> I want change name, my MTA (mail transfer agent)  send mails with this domain neo@v119512.kvm.test-hf.su
[17:59] <Neo4> Badegakk: or I can put in this file other name?
[18:00] <Neo4> origin = /etc/mailname. I'll change it on origin = kselax.ru now
[18:01] <Neo4> will see what happen
[18:01] <ExoUNX> where are the OpenVPN logs at for Network-Manager on LXDE(Ubuntu)
[18:01] <Neo4> before we something change we should make copy of config file?
[18:01] <Neo4> yes?
[18:01] <Neo4> this is should always do?
[18:02] <Badegakk> yeah
[18:02] <ExoUNX> This is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS btw
[18:02] <TJ-> ExoUNX: NM logs into /var/log/syslog for everything
[18:02] <nacc> Neo4: it's a good idea to have backups, yes
[18:02] <hodor123456> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:02] <Badegakk> cp mailname mailname.bak
[18:02] <Badegakk> feks
[18:03] <Neo4> I've already made there changes. should be origin file back up
[18:04] <Badegakk> you will have to restart the services to make changes take effect
[18:04] <Neo4> Badegakk: no, not mailname this, /etc/postfix/main.cf
[18:04] <Neo4> Badegakk: bak means backup?
[18:04] <nacc> Neo4: to most people, but extensions don't have meaning in unix like they do in windows
[18:04] <Neo4> or main.cf.origin
[18:04] <nacc> Neo4: it's a convention
[18:04] <Badegakk> yeah, you could calll what ever you want
[18:05] <nacc> Neo4: other tools use .orig (not .origin)
[18:05] <ExoUNX> TJ-, /var/log/syslog doesn't exist here
[18:05] <Neo4> nacc: I saved two books in linu and called one matilda.pdf and second MATILDA.pdf and windows opened always one book until I changed name
[18:05] <Neo4> in windows register doesn't matter
[18:06] <Neo4> it's advise in video from youtube always save origin files before changing
[18:07] <Badegakk> I alway do backup aswell, and i also dont do to many changes at the time, easier to backtrack what went wrong
[18:08] <Neo4> I try reinstall postfix and do sudo apt-get remove mailutils, then sudo apt-get purge mailutils and sudo apt-get autoremove, and reinstalll sudo apt-get mailutils and I didn't see window like was before, seems config files can't remove
[18:08] <karolyi> has anyone seen this SSHD message? ssh_sandbox_child: setrlimit(RLIMIT_FSIZE, { 0, 0 }): Function not implemented [preauth]
[18:08] <karolyi> I can't login to my box after an upgrade
[18:08] <Neo4> yes? in linux we can't remove config files using sudo apt-get remove?
[18:09] <Neo4> with wine the same, in home exists hidden file .wine that is not removed
[18:09] <nacc> Neo4: 1) not "linux", "ubuntu" (or "debian")
[18:09] <nacc> Neo4: 2) remove does not remove conf files, correct. read `man apt-get`.
[18:09] <Neo4> ok
[18:12] <Richard_Cavell> Hello everyone. I recently reinstalled Ubuntu 16.04. I have an 8BitDo NES-style gamepad. I have plugged it in via USB. But it's not working with fceux. How can I investigate this?
[18:15] <TJ-> ExoUNX: if /var/log/syslog doesn't exist on 16.04 then it's not a standard Ubuntu configuration
[18:15] <ExoUNX> I did, journalctl and dumped it
[18:16] <SysGhost> Richard_Cavell: I suspect it detects as a normal joystick HID device, so it might be an issue with the permnissions.
[18:17] <Richard_Cavell> SysGhost, I don't really understand the command line tools used to investigate this. Where do I begin?
[18:17] <SysGhost> Richard_Cavell: See /dev/input/jsX (Where X is any number from 0 ... )
[18:17] <sxo_> Richard_Cavell, start with jstest /dev/input/js0
[18:17] <SysGhost> ls -la /dev/input/js*
[18:17] <TJ-> Jordan_U: According to "systemctl list-jobs" "suspend.target" is in state "waiting", it's 'status' reports "Unit is bound to inactive unit systemd-suspend.service. Stopping, too" and systemd-suspend.service 'status' is "'SUSPEND' command timed out." and "Suspending system..." :D
[18:17] <Richard_Cavell> SysGhost, it has js0
[18:17] <greyfus> Greetings
[18:18] <greyfus> Is this the support channel?
[18:18] <greyfus> I'm learning here, sorry
[18:18] <SysGhost> Richard_Cavell: who owns it? "root input" or "root root" ?
[18:19] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Are you sure that the computer ever actually successfully suspended? Is there a hardware indication of suspending that you can confirm you saw (such as a pulsing power light)?
[18:19] <Richard_Cavell> root input
[18:19] <SysGhost> Richard_Cavell: Add your user to the group "input"
[18:19] <blackflow> greyfus: sure if you have a problem, state it, and someone might help.
[18:19] <tomreyn> greyfus: this is the official ubuntu IRC support channel, based on the channel /topic
[18:19] <Richard_Cavell> SysGhost, Sorry for my newbness but what is the command to do that?  My username is richard
[18:19] <SysGhost> Richard_Cavell: ...and relog
[18:19] <SysGhost> ah
[18:19] <TJ-> Jordan_U: even the dmesg confirms it
[18:19] <SysGhost> no worries.
[18:20] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Interesting. Please pastebin your dmesg.
[18:20] <SysGhost> sudo usermod -aG input richard
[18:20] <SysGhost> then relog
[18:20] <greyfus> I am having trouble with plymouth on Ubuntu 17.10
[18:20] <Richard_Cavell> SysGhost, I'm rebooting brb
[18:20] <greyfus> and 16.04
[18:20] <TJ-> Jordan_U: I'd love to, but there's no network, that's part of the problem!
[18:21] <greyfus> I made a change to the theme but generating a new initramfs crashed and my computer restarts.
[18:21] <greyfus> Plymouth becomes blank at startup
[18:24] <SysGhost> Richard_Cavell: There's a neat gui tool to manage user permissions and groups. As well as other things. Install "Gnome System Tools" if it is not installed already.
[18:26] <Richard_Cavell> SysGhost, I can see that I am now a member of the group input, and jstest shows that my gamepad is being read, but still fceux does not respond to it
[18:27] <greyfus> Sorry for the vanishing act
[18:27] <greyfus> Changed clients
[18:27] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Now I wonder if you'll even be able to cleanly reboot. You might need to resort to REISUB.
[18:28] <SysGhost> Richard_Cavell: Well.. the joystick is now working as intended in the system. I guess the rest lies within fceux. Got anything in the settings to enable joystick mode, or remap keys/button?
[18:30] <Richard_Cavell> SysGhost, Yes, sorry, my bad...
[18:30] <SysGhost> Richard_Cavell: As I can see on screenshots, it seems there is a "Gamepad Config" menu under "Options". See if you can remap all the needed buttons there.
[18:30] <Richard_Cavell> It's fixed now.
[18:30] <SysGhost> Neat!
[18:30] <SysGhost> Super Mario... here we go!
[18:30] <Richard_Cavell> Ha ha, yes
[18:31] <SysGhost> or some Zelda weekend? =>
[18:31] <TJ-> Jordan_U: that could be interesting; it's a hybrid Asus T300CHI transformer with BT keyboard. I'm still digging, trying to find out if I can influence the running "/lib/systemd/systemd-sleep suspend" process - can't 'stop' the service. Been looking at it's /proc/*/fd/ but there's only 3 sockets and open /sys/power/state which I'd expect since it echo's "mem" there.
[18:33] <TJ-> Jordan_U: WOW! "kill $(pidof systemd-sleep)" -> instant off
[18:34]  * SysGhost suddenly got some sudden urge to fire up his Mega Drive emulator.
[18:35] <TJ-> Jordan_U: and after pressing the power button it's resumed and network-manager is no longer asleep. How weird.
[18:37] <TJ-> Jordan_U: and now I see "Suspended for 43 seconds" this time which is about correct
[18:42] <zack6849> Does anyone off the top of their head know how to gt php7.0 on 17.10 artful?
[18:42] <zack6849> It has it in my completions but says it's not installable
[18:43] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Can you pastebin your dmesg now?
[18:43] <nacc> zack6849: 17.10 moved to 7.1
[18:43] <nacc> zack6849: use the php metapackage and it will dtrt
[18:43] <zack6849> maco: dtrt?
[18:43] <nacc> zack6849: there is no 7.0 in 17.10 (if you need it, stay on 16.04)
[18:43] <nacc> !tab | zack6849
[18:43] <nacc> zack6849: do the right thing
[18:44] <zack6849> well, see, I sort of need 7.0 for a software to work :v
[18:44] <TJ-> Jordan_U: I'm writing a bug report it'll all be attached
[18:44] <zack6849> and I'm on 17.10 already, it was working yesterday
[18:45] <zack6849> nacc: why are you telling me how to use tab, i just typo'd n for m and hit tab
[18:45] <zack6849> Can I add old repos to my sources.list to get it back?
[18:45] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Great. Please subscribe me, JordanU on launchpad.
[18:45] <nacc> zack6849: you were either using a PPA (in which case talk to the PPA owner) or were still runing 17.04 (e.g., insecure) software
[18:45] <nacc> zack6849: that would also be unsupported
[18:45] <zack6849> I was running 17.04, but it was working after the update for some reason.
[18:46] <nacc> zack6849: 17.04 is eol
[18:46] <zack6849> I didnt ask if it was officially supported, i asked if it would work ._.
[18:46] <nacc> zack6849: you have root on your system, you can do anything you want
[18:46] <zack6849> That isn't what I was asking.
[18:46] <nacc> zack6849: this is the support channel
[18:46] <zack6849> nacc: Magento 2 requires php7.0 because they haven't migrated away from mcrypt, which is deprecated in 7.1, 7.01 is required
[18:47] <zack6849> 7.0**
[18:47] <zack6849> Am I going to have to manually build a binary for this, or is there a PPA or something I can use for 7.0
[18:47] <Jordan_U> zack6849: It is the official policy of this channel that the only action on EOL releases we will support is upgrading them to a supported release.
[18:47] <zack6849> Jordan_U: i'm on a supported release.
[18:47] <nacc> zack6849: magento is, afaict, not in ubuntu
[18:48] <nacc> zack6849: and presumably if what you say is true, is not supported on 17.10 in the first place
[18:48] <Jordan_U> zack6849: Ahh, sorry. Misunderstood.
[18:48] <nacc> zack6849: (supported by magento, that is)
[18:48] <zack6849> nacc: I don't follow your point
[18:48] <nacc> zack6849: you can probably use ondrej's ppa if you want, but not supported here
[18:49] <zack6849> I can't "upgrade" to an EOL ubuntu release
[18:49] <nacc> zack6849: you are using third party software, not really ubuntu's responsiblity to keep it working on release upgrades
[18:49] <zack6849> That's fine, that's not what I asked.
[18:49] <nacc> zack6849: also, php7.1 has mcrypt
[18:49] <zack6849> It does, but they use deprecated functionalities
[18:49] <zack6849> and they dont support 7.1 at all
[18:49] <nacc> zack6849: ok, then they don't support 17.10 (or 18.04)
[18:50] <nacc> zack6849: if you need magento 2, you should go back to 16.04 for the time being, or use ondrej's ppa
[18:50] <Bill1973> So, I've added xfce and xubuntu, logged out of unity and there they are  using the icon for a dropdown list next to my username. Tried xfce, logged out and set xubuntu and logged however bothe looked the "same". Since I have never used xfce/xubuntu is that right? After a reboot i got a diff login and aut logged into xfce, which i do not want an autologin
[18:50] <zack6849> Which isn't a suprise, magento sucks, I wasn't here to make you support magento, or magento to support ubuntu, I was simply asking for a way to patch in 7.0 for the time being
[18:50] <nacc> zack6849: and i gave it to you
[18:50] <zack6849> right, i'm working on it now, thank you.
[18:50] <nacc> zack6849: but we don't support that ppa here, so go add it if you want, and if you hit issues, you will need to contact ondrej
[18:51] <nacc> it also will pull in some other deps, which will make your OS not supported generally by ubuntu, iirc
[18:51] <zack6849> I understand what a PPA is and don't expect ubuntu to support third party repositories
[18:51] <nacc> ok
[18:51] <tatertots> good luck
[18:53] <Jordan_U> zack6849: I may be missing something, but it looks like php7.0 is available in Ubuntu 17.10. What happens when you try to "sudo apt install php7.0" ?
[18:53] <zack6849> sorry, specifically the extensions, but that may be because i already had 7 installed, if i try for example 7.0-mysql i get this
[18:54] <zack6849> https://www.zack6849.com/uploads/m96bU3Xk4Arbv.png
[18:54] <nacc> !info php7.0 artful
[18:54] <nacc> Jordan_U: we moved to 7.1 in 17.10
[18:54] <micha_> Hi at all.....is there anyone who can help me with a crashing kodi? Start....crash...no chance to do anything
[18:54] <motaka2> hello is there anyone here who can help me removing broken packages of redmine and reinstall it again ? I did this simply on my local ubuntu 16.04 but on my digital ocean ubuntu 16.04 I receive error messages like: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/30af5c0497df9a536841a74c2bde51c8
[18:54] <zack6849> micha_: #kodi
[18:55] <micha_> zack6849: thx
[18:55] <Jordan_U> nacc: zack6849: I forgot that the machine I'm ssh'd into is actually on 16.04 rather than 17.10, sorry for the noise.
[18:57] <nacc> Jordan_U: np
[19:06] <greyfus> Anyone who knows how to put plymouth back?
[19:07] <zack6849> greyfus very gently
[19:07] <greyfus> I changed the theme and regenerated the initramfs as instructed
[19:07] <TJ-> Jordan_U: subscribed you bug #1744370
[19:07] <zack6849> https://askubuntu.com/questions/540784/how-to-fix-plymouth-to-its-default
[19:07] <greyfus> My computer crashes during and plymouth is left empty
[19:07] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Thanks.
[19:08] <greyfus> zack6849: Cute
[19:08] <zack6849> eh?
[19:08] <greyfus> The joke you had stated
[19:08] <zack6849> The gently part, or the stackexchange link that should actually probably answer your question?
[19:08] <greyfus> Ah
[19:08] <greyfus> The gently
[19:09] <zack6849> :P
[19:10] <greyfus> Nope
[19:10] <greyfus> The plymouth isn't just not showing
[19:10] <greyfus> It is missing
[19:11] <greyfus> Theme wise, it didn't generate
[19:12] <gregl> sudo dpkg-reconfigure Plymouth
[19:29] <shubham> i want help
[19:29] <nacc> !ask | shubham
[19:29] <Bashing-om> shubham: State the issue .
[19:30] <shubham> i barely downld anything from ubuntu store
[19:32] <shubham> i change the server bt it didnt work
[19:32] <nacc> shubham: do you mean your downloads are slow?
[19:32] <shubham> yes
[19:33] <shubham> i never use linux before
[19:33] <nacc> shubham: is your internet connection slow overall? did you do a test
[19:34] <shubham> it working pretty fast
[19:37] <TJ-> shubham: Is the PC using wifi network? Of so can you run this command in a terminal: "pastebinit <( iwconfig )" and tell us the URL it gives
[19:38] <ghoti> Haven't been paying attention to the video card or driver world for a few years. If I want to assemble a machine that'll drive 4 monitors, are there any brand/model recommendations for video card?
[19:38] <TJ-> shubham: I also notice you're using IPv6. It could be problems with timeouts trying to reach some services that aren't using IPv6 addressing
[19:38] <tomreyn> ghoti: i don't think a lot has changed there. amd, nvidia should work. maybe intel, too.
[19:40] <shubham> no wireless extension
[19:40] <tomreyn> ghoti: hdmi audio does not always work (in many cases it will not), if that's a concern.
[19:41] <ghoti> tomreyn: Not a concern, but thanks for pointing that out. I'll be doing mostly static-ish content (Nagios, etc), though I wouldn't mind decent video playback performance .. with audio through a separate device entirely.
[19:41] <ghoti> Would, say, an nvs 450 make the most sense? Or could I get away with cheaper 2-port cards, and put two of them in the machine?
[19:41] <shubham> what should i do now
[19:42] <ghoti> Would xinerama or twinview still be supported if I have 2 2-port cards in the box?
[19:42] <tomreyn> ghoti: sorry, i would not know in that detail. hopefully someone else here does.
[19:46] <tomreyn> ghoti: this may be a little biased, but my guess is that open source drivers will give you a less troublesome experience sooner if you're aiming for 18.04 lts, since this will use wayland which nvidia drivers do not work well with, yet. so i'd rather target amd if this was my plan.
[19:53] <tomreyn> ghoti: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/multihead seems to provide a good overview. xrandr does a pretty good job nowadays (i used it with three monitors (2 external) with both intel (i915 driver) and nvidia (nouveau open source driver, which is otherwise quite sketchy).
[19:54] <poorUser> hi people! it's normal to have disk application to report this error with every usb pendrive? udisk error quark 0
[19:55] <poorUser> with all pendrive i'm able to create new partition with dd and fdisk
[19:59] <tomreyn> poorUser: based exclusively on the number of search results on a web search, it is not normal, no. which ubuntu release are you using, which partition table format were you using (msdos / gpt), which capacity do these drives have?
[20:00] <poorUser> latest one
[20:01] <poorUser> i have a lot of pendrive of  various manufacturers
[20:01] <poorUser> some :D
[20:01] <tatertots> poorUser: obsessive error hunting aside.......do you have any real, actual, issue in "functionality" in regard to USB mass storage devices??? yes or no
[20:02] <tatertots> just yes or no
[20:02] <poorUser> i'm just reporting this singularity, since i had no problems with manual operations
[20:02] <poorUser> yes or not? i don't have problems, but yes, looks like a problem
[20:02] <tatertots> "yes or no" must escape a lot of humans...oh well...carry on
[20:03] <poorUser> sorry i thought to be somewhat useful
[20:04] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/1631127
[20:04] <poorUser> oh cool :D
[20:04] <poorUser> it was a knew problem
[20:05] <tatertots> new/known
[20:06] <poorUser> simply explained, you put a pendrive to format it, it spam that error and the pendrive became unusable.
[20:06] <ioria> unusable it's a big word
[20:07] <tatertots> poorUser: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no (your response should consist of ONLY the word yes OR no)
[20:08] <poorUser> yes, have i failed touring test? :D
[20:08] <tatertots> yes
[20:08] <tatertots> poorUser: open terminal
[20:08] <tatertots> poorUser: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[20:08] <tatertots> poorUser: let me know when done.
[20:09] <poorUser> understand that for me wasn't a real problem, because of manual fdisk, but it can be an huge problem for any normal user.
[20:09] <poorUser> and i just reported that here
[20:09] <tatertots> oh okay...thanks
[20:10] <ioria> never got why gparted is removed after install
[20:13] <siva_machina> I guess they figure mist people really only need it during install
[20:13] <nicomachus> since when is gparted removed after install?
[20:13] <nicomachus> or did I just reinstall it without thinking about it?
[20:13] <ioria> yeah
[20:14] <siva_machina> it has always been removed after install for me
[20:14] <siva_machina> during*
[20:15] <tomreyn> ioria: is it installed during install then?
[20:16] <skypce> hey guys
[20:16] <skypce> good day
[20:16] <leftyfb> it's part of the live cd. Not installed anywhere
[20:16] <ioria> tomreyn, live session ? yeah
[20:16] <Neo4> how I can get all error mails on my mail?
[20:16] <EriC^^> hello skypce
[20:16] <Neo4> where linus apps send erro's mail?
[20:16] <Neo4> on root@localhost?
[20:16] <tomreyn> ioria: yes, it's in the live session by default, true.
[20:17] <skypce> do you know some utility that can generate password for web with a passphrase? like echo "password"|base64 , but with ascii+numbers+letters+caps
[20:17] <Neo4> I want getting all errors from my VPS from all of apps on my mail
[20:17] <leftyfb> skypce: pwgen
[20:17] <tomreyn> apg
[20:17] <skypce> thank you leftyfb
[20:17] <skypce> thank you both
[20:18] <Neo4> is it true that in linux mail is main massager and each app send message if get error?
[20:18] <Neo4> I know it
[20:18] <Neo4> watched in video there guy said about
[20:19] <Neo4> we have to get all error's on our url
[20:19] <Neo4> oh our mail
[20:19] <poorUser> tatertots: i have installed inxi but with this error: systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: disk temperature monitoring daemon. Cool pastebinit, long time ago i did a similar script :D
[20:19] <Neo4> mail is full qualified domain name, it's not url
[20:20] <Neo4> don't call mail url, it's FQDN (full qualified domain name)
[20:21] <Neo4> root@localhost and what ahead?
[20:21] <Neo4> ....
[20:22] <ioria> poorUser, like it failde to instal ?
[20:22] <tomreyn> skypce: even more options (but i would recommend against the 'date' based ones, /dev/urandom and 'openssl rand' should be fine): https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/30184/10-ways-to-generate-a-random-password-from-the-command-line/
[20:22] <ioria> poorUser, like it failed to install ?
[20:24] <skypce> hey guys
[20:24] <skypce> this is really awesome
[20:24] <skypce> sha1pass "password" 512
[20:24] <skypce> if you write it again
[20:24] <skypce> it recreates same password
[20:24] <skypce> that is that i need
[20:24] <skypce> thank you
[20:25] <skypce> the 512 is a salt
[20:25] <skypce> without this number
[20:25] <skypce> create ramdomly passdows
[20:25] <poorUser> systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: disk temperature monitoring daemon. (while configuring hddtemp under apt-get)
[20:25] <skypce> passwords
[20:25] <tomreyn> !enter | skypce
[20:25] <ioria> poorUser, dpkg -l  inxi
[20:26] <skypce> thank you dear boot
[20:26] <barcabuona> hey guys is there a default music player in ubuntu?
[20:26] <BillD73> so never used pasbinit(it is installed) anyway to make paste.ubuntu.com the default instead of having to -b http.....
[20:27] <BillD73> err pastebinint lol
[20:28] <nacc> BillD73: on ubuntu, pastebinit should default to p.u.c
[20:28] <BillD73> ha  imagine that!
[20:28] <poorUser> ioria: that command says "reinstallation required" (if i interpreted correctly the output)
[20:28] <ioria> poorUser, maybe if you paste it ...
[20:29] <poorUser> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26418753/
[20:30] <ioria> poorUser, it's installed
[20:30] <poorUser> oh lol :D
[20:31] <poorUser> the output of inxi says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26418758/
[20:32] <poorUser> run without arguments
[20:34] <ioria> poorUser, nxi -Fxxrzc0 will tell you more
[20:35] <ioria> *i
[20:36] <poorUser> awesome! http://paste.ubuntu.com/26418775/
[20:36] <davr0s> displaylink usb monitors / ubuntu - do they work ?
[20:37] <ioria> poorUser, good machine
[20:37] <tomreyn> davr0s: what is "displaylink usb"?
[20:37] <poorUser> :D lol, just my old dear friend
[20:38] <davr0s> its a USB device that drives a monitor;
[20:38] <davr0s> the computer can send compressed image updates through USB; the device holds an image
[20:38] <davr0s> 'usb graphics card' ... a simple way to get extra monitors e.g. on laptops
[20:38] <ioria> still experimental on linux, i guess
[20:39] <Feitan> usb graphics cards?
[20:39] <ioria> diaplaylink
[20:40] <ioria> *displaylink
[20:40] <tomreyn> davr0s: ah sorry i mixed up displaylink and displayport
[20:40] <davr0s> sure, so many similar sounding names. i also sometimes eroneously write 'dlink' which is really confusing
[20:40] <tatertots> poorUser: in terminal>    inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[20:41] <tatertots> poorUser: share url/link here.
[20:41] <tatertots> oops sorry
[20:42] <tatertots> already been done...i'm late
[20:42] <tatertots> lol
[20:42] <poorUser> tatertots: your command shows also pendrives, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26418804/
[20:44] <tatertots> poorUser: yeah, i'm into "details" so..
[20:44] <poorUser> i just put there 2 random partitions with fdisk -> new -> write and close, then the FS
[20:45] <newbbbbb> question: I have a lenovo laptop using 17.04 and can't upgrade to 17.10 or it'll brick, but the repos for 17.04 aren't available. Is there a rollback method to 16.04 or should I just prepare for wipe and reinstall?
[20:45] <nacc> newbbbbb: i believe the 17.10 issues have been fixed
[20:45] <nicomachus> newbbbbb: backup and reinstall. 17.04 is EOL.
[20:45] <nicomachus> but yes, nacc is right, the issues have been fixed.
[20:46] <nacc> nicomachus: have the respins been released? not necessary here, just wondering
[20:46] <dax> yes
[20:46] <nacc> dax: thanks
[20:46] <qswz> what's the best terminal?
[20:46] <dax> !lenovobug
[20:46] <nicomachus> nacc: yes they did some official re-release of 17.10
[20:46] <qswz> I use LXTerminal, pretty basic
[20:46] <qswz> need a better one
[20:46] <nicomachus> qswz: not really a question we can answer here. that's a personal preference thing.
[20:46] <asdfjkljkl> Is it bad to run `apt install` with `sudo`? Can it be avoided at all?
[20:47] <qswz> I'm all hear
[20:47] <dax> ubottu 17.10.1 is <alias> lenovobug
[20:47] <qswz> I'll test whatever ppl recommend as terminals
[20:47] <nicomachus> I can't do that dax
[20:47] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147
[20:47] <nicomachus> qswz: that is off-topic for this channel.
[20:47] <newbbbbb> nacc, nicomachus, ubottu thx for weighing in. Appreciated.
[20:48] <akik> asdfjkljkl: no, it's ok
[20:48] <nicomachus> asdfjkljkl: you have to use sudo
[20:49] <asdfjkljkl> ok thanks!
[20:52] <ghoti> tomreyn: sorry for the late response, but thanks for sharing your wisdom. I've used xinerama with great success on FreeBSD workstations, but this'll be my first multi-monitor setup in Linux.
[20:54] <Nick21> Hello guys
[20:55] <Nick21> How can I install this "https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdk-pixbuf/2.32.2-1ubuntu1.4"
[20:55] <MonkeyDust> !find pixbuf
[20:56] <Nick21> I want to install adapta theme and this is one of the requirements found here "https://github.com/adapta-project/adapta-gtk-theme"
[20:56] <Nick21> Oh thanks
[21:03] <randomuser123> I am having trouble upgrading from gnome-ubuntu 17.04 to Standard Ubuntu 17.10. Getting some errrors related to mirrors when I do "sudo apt-get update": https://paste.ubuntu.com/26418866/
[21:03] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | randomuser123
[21:05] <Neo4> postmaster:    root what is it?
[21:05] <Neo4> it in file /etc/aliaces
[21:06] <Neo4> who is postmaster?
[21:07] <Neo4> what is it??? echo test | mail -s test root
[21:08] <Neo4> it sends mail for root? Where shall I check mail? I looked at /var/mail/root and there empty
[21:08] <randomuser123> EriC^^: Many thanks! Saved me :-)
[21:09] <Neo4> what is mail function in ubuntu?
[21:09] <Neo4> it isn't look like mail server
[21:14] <tomreyn> ghoti: i think xinerama is considered deprecated now. currently you'll use xrandr with X(org). with 18.04 the cnfiguration utility to use will depend on the compositor / window manager / desktop environment you'll be using. i.e. gnome (if run directly though wayland) provides its own (all graphical?) utilities, while 'legacy' environments which depend on xwayland should continue to work with xrandr. but that's just a guess, i have 0 first hand
[21:14] <tomreyn> experience.
[21:17] <tomreyn> Neo4: about your /etc/aliases question: man 5 aliases
[21:18] <Neo4> tomreyn: what is mean? man 5 aliases?
[21:18] <Neo4> I typed it in terminal and didnt get anything
[21:18] <tomreyn> Neo4: don't you have postfix installed?
[21:19] <Neo4> have installed
[21:19] <Neo4> postfixe is installed
[21:19] <Nick21> Hello.
[21:20] <tomreyn> Neo4: 'man' is a command to show manuals (man pages). '5' is a specific manual section, about configurations. http://www.postfix.org/aliases.5.html
[21:20] <Nick21> How can I install this from git
[21:20] <Nick21> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/any/adapta-gtk-theme/
[21:20] <Nick21> ??
[21:20] <Neo4> tomreyn: oh ok,
[21:21] <Neo4> I didn't know it
[21:21] <tomreyn> Neo4: you may need to install "postfix-doc" to be able to run "man 5 aliases"
[21:22] <Nick21> Forget it guys, I got it.
[21:22] <Nick21> :P
[21:22] <Nick21> Epic fail.
[21:22] <sxo_> Nick21, found the ppa? ;)
[21:22] <Nick21> Yeah sxo_
[21:23] <Nick21> My brain is getting slower these days sxo_
[21:23] <tomreyn> Neo4: actually the 'aliases' manual is part of the postfix package, so no need for 'postfix-doc'
[21:23] <Nick21> I found the launcherpad ppa and said... What the fuck am I doing sxo_
[21:24] <tomreyn> Neo4: before you learn how to configure a mail server, i'd definitely recommend learning how to use man pages.
[21:25] <Neo4> tomreyn: what no need? Don't need 'postfix-doc' ?
[21:25] <Neo4> I think simply use  man app-name
[21:25] <Neo4> man apt-get
[21:25] <Neo4> I though*
[21:25] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know where the grub file is on ubuntu 17.10
[21:26] <Neo4> ok look how it works
[21:26] <Neo4> before works man apt-get, now doesn't
[21:26] <tomreyn> Neo4: you do not need to install the 'postfix-doc' package to be able to run 'man 5 aliases', it should work as soon as you installed the 'postfix' and 'man-db' packages
[21:27] <Neo4> it doesn't work
[21:27] <Neo4> maybe need man app?
[21:27] <Neo4> man command is not found
[21:27] <tomreyn> Neo4: read again what i wrote
[21:28] <Neo4> this? i'd definitely recommend learning how to use man pages
[21:28] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: is it not at /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[21:28] <tomreyn> Neo4: "it should work as soon as you installed the 'postfix' and 'man-db' packages"
[21:28] <tomreyn> Neo4: you do not have the man-db package installed
[21:29] <Neo4> how I can run that? I used 'man 5 aliases' and got 'man command not found
[21:29] <tomreyn> Neo4: sudo apt-get install man-db
[21:31] <Neo4> tomreyn: yes, now works, thanks, will read
[21:32] <Neo4> don't understand anything there :(
[21:44] <Nick21> How can I customize or tweak adapta theme?
[21:44] <Nick21> ????
[21:44] <Nick21> Is there a tweak tool for it?
[21:44] <tomreyn> Neo4: this looks like a good introduction into the overall e-mail transport ecosystem and also into postfix's architecture (page two, bottom right)  https://www.ida.liu.se/~TDDI09/lectures/TDDI09-F4.pdf
[21:44] <Nick21> sxo_
[21:45] <Neo4> tomreyn: ok, thanks! I added that to bookmarks, will read little later.
[21:46] <tomreyn> Neo4: this is the current textual descritopion of postfix's architecture (components): http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html and this is wherre you should go whenever you want to know how to configure things in postfix or something doesn't work: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[21:46] <Neo4> saved on desktop, that is pdf
[21:48] <Neo4> tomreyn: I've stopped reading on this article, there written you should read when you have configured postfix http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[21:49] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: do you know another commamd for the grub file?
[21:50] <DexterF> hi
[21:50] <DexterF> ubuntu server, want it to connect to intent on an LTE modem. no X installed. what's a good cli tool?
[21:52] <tomreyn> Neo4: yes, once you're into the basic concepts of e-mail and are ready to setup a mail server, that's the right document to follow.
[21:52] <anddam> trying  sudo apt install virtualbox-5.2 dkms
[21:52] <Neo4> tomreyn: yes, I'm going to read that all
[21:53] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: can you be more specific? what is this command supposed to do to which grub related file? also, you did not answer my question.
[21:54] <anddam> sorry. Trying   sudo apt install virtualbox-5.2    prompted me for a Y/n answer, I said 'n' and tried    sudo apt install virtualbox-5.2 dkms   that went straight away since   dkms is already the newest version (2.2.0.3-2ubuntu11.5+elementary3~ubuntu0.4.1.1).
[21:54] <anddam> is that normal behavior for apt?
[21:54] <Neo4> just there many new notions like SMTP, MUA, SASL... hostname and others
[21:54] <tomreyn> DexterF: nmtui (or nmcli) for configuring the modem through network manager, i'd say.
[21:55] <anddam> why wouldn't it ask confirmation anyway when I added dkms?
[21:55] <DexterF> tomreyn, thanks, gonna have a look
[21:55] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn:right the question no its not stored there i tried that and sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[21:56] <nacc> anddam: you are not on ubuntu
[21:57] <nacc> anddam: that is an elementary version, afaict
[21:58] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: is the system actually using grub though?
[21:59] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: yes i checked the directory it is there
[21:59] <gt8ost4l> but i cant access it
[22:00] <gt8ost4l> its in /etc/default/grub
[22:00] <gt8ost4l> but i cant access it
[22:00] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: "cannot access" is definitely not the same as "it is not stored there"
[22:00] <gt8ost4l> i just cant
[22:00] <gt8ost4l> oh sorry im new to this
[22:00] <tomreyn> so what does 'ls /boot/grub/grub.cfg' say?
[22:01] <tomreyn> actually run: ls -l /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[22:01] <zomaar> gt8ost4l: Don't use sudo gedit, use gksudo gedit
[22:02] <zomaar> gt8ost4l: You can't use sudo with graphical applications, it can put root-owned files in your home directory
[22:03] <TJ-> tomreyn: if gt8ost4l is on 17.10, and using Wayland, there's no sudo access is there? It'll need a terminal
[22:03] <TJ-> tomreyn: that could explain the "just can't"
[22:03] <tomreyn> TJ-: hmm right, this may well be.
[22:04] <tomreyn> TJ-: but i guess ls could still work?
[22:11] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn i get an error with gksudo to
[22:11] <gt8ost4l> do you want me to show you it?
[22:12] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: sure, why not, just use a !pastebin if it's more than 3 lines
[22:13] <gt8ost4l> https://pastebin.com/7HY6Zb36
[22:13] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: but note that it will probbaly not work on 17.10 with gksudo as TJ- pointed out above.
[22:13] <gt8ost4l> i know i just wanted to show you
[22:16] <Bashing-om> gt8ost4l: see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Running_graphical_applications_as_root .
[22:17] <akik> Zombie: you can use sudo with graphical apps, you just need to use -i together with it
[22:18] <akik> oh that was for zomaar but he left
[22:19] <akik> TJ-: the fix for 17.10 and wayland and sudo is: xhost +si:localuser:root
[22:20] <tomreyn> export wsudo () { xhost +si:localuser:root; sudo -H "$@"; xhost -si:localuser:root; }; wsudo whoami
[22:25] <skinux> I'm getting weird errors trying to install software https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[22:26] <gt8ost4l> bashing-om thanks it worked
[22:26] <Quenz> I'm trying to get Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS running as well if not better than Mac OS does on this old MacBook. My wireless card is Broadcom BCM4322 [14e4:432b] (rev 01). I've tried firmware-b43-installer and bcwl-kernel-source for drivers, but both of them produce consistently slower internet (over wi-fi) speeds than on Mac OS. How can I fix this?
[22:26] <Bashing-om> gt8ost4l: :) All in this together .
[22:27] <fraktor> I just upgraded to artful aardvark, and I'm having trouble with my nvidia drivers now. I've selected them in a couple different ways, but I can't seem to get X to use them.
[22:27] <TJ-> akik: nah, the fix is to ditch Wayland until the dev's don't dismiss their users!
[22:28] <nicomachus> lol
[22:28] <nicomachus> !artful | fraktor
[22:28] <nicomachus> oh
[22:28] <nicomachus> why did I think artful was +1 still. ignore me fraktor
[22:28] <akik> TJ-: i know, i don't like where ubuntu is going either :)
[22:28] <tomreyn> skinux: you only posted part of the output so we cannot know what the error dpkg encountered is.
[22:28] <Bashing-om> fraktor: Try from the Xorg session rather than wayland . wayland and nvidia are yet to play nice with one abother .
[22:29] <akik> now 18.04 will have an older nautilus just because gnome proper removed desktop icons
[22:29] <tatertots> Quenz: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[22:29] <fraktor> Bashing-om: I am using X. I'm running i3.
[22:30] <Quenz> tatertots nope, different computer.
[22:30] <Quenz> I have both sitting in front of me though
[22:30] <tatertots> Quenz: open terminal on the computer in question
[22:30] <Quenz> tatertots yep, it's open
[22:30] <fraktor> Bashing-om: I'm going to purge and reinstall the drivers and see if that fixes the issue.
[22:30] <tatertots> Quenz: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[22:31] <fraktor> I'll let you know if that worked.
[22:31] <tatertots> Quenz: let me know when done
[22:31] <Bashing-om> fraktor: K; what does the log file /var/log/gpu-manager.log have to relate ?
[22:32] <fraktor> Yep, that worked.
[22:32] <fraktor> I'll remember that trick from now on.
[22:32] <Quenz> tatertots done
[22:32] <tatertots> Quenz: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[22:32] <TJ-> skinux: the error messages are pretty clear; you've an empty file "/usr/local/lib/libQtCore.so" and two files that should be symlinks, since there are more than 1 identical same-named libraries with the same SONAME (version)
[22:32] <tatertots> Quenz: share url/link here
[22:33] <Quenz> tatertots I think I missed something. You just asked me to install some programs. Would you like me to run then now, or..?
[22:33] <TJ-> skinux: in other words ldconfig found, in the paths it searched, more than 1 libssl.so.1* and more than 1 libcrypto.so.1*
[22:33] <Quenz> Oh wait sorry nevermind I miseed your last message
[22:33] <Quenz> I'll run that now
[22:34] <TJ-> skinux: you cannot have more than 1 of each for the same SONAME
[22:34] <tatertots> Quenz: if you have a "human error" ..just reread my instructions and try to figure out where/what you did wrong (debug).
[22:36] <Quenz> tatertots https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419299/
[22:36] <tatertots> Quenz: i expect a link or url....so if you don't get a url/link...and you are %100 certain you've followed my instructions to the letter...you should say something about that
[22:37] <Quenz> tatertots I just sent a link, I'll send it again https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419299/
[22:48] <justJanne> Hey, short question: do-release-upgrade on zesty fails, because the repos for zesty have been shut down, after zesty’s EOL. How do I do a clean release upgrade now?
[22:48] <dax> !eolupgrade
[22:48] <dax> (second link)
[22:50] <proj> hello. when I "apt upgrade" i get: Err:2 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty/universe amd64 libgtksourceview2.0-0 amd64 2.10.5-2ubuntu3
[22:50] <proj>   404  Not Found
[22:50] <proj> is this just local to the .nl server or is there a wider problem at the moment?
[22:50] <nacc> proj: zesty is eol
[22:50] <nacc> !eolupgrade | proj
[22:51] <proj> But 404 not found?
[22:51] <proj> that is pretty harsh.
[22:51] <dax> EOL releases get moved off the mirror network
[22:51] <nacc> proj: eol releases get removed
[22:51] <nacc> not harsh ata ll
[22:51] <proj> Shouldn't I be able to install software from that particular moment in time?
[22:51] <dax> otherwise mirrors would have to sync down a tonne of data for all the old releases that people aren't supposed to be using
[22:52] <dax> there's an old-releases package server. see the second link.
[22:52] <nacc> proj: read the link
[22:52] <nacc> proj: but also, upgrade
[22:52] <proj> Ok. Fair enough. Indeed. I just did not want to do it right now. :)
[22:52] <glitchd> hello all
[22:52] <nacc> proj: for instance, you are nnot getting any cve fixes
[22:52] <glitchd> trying to figure out how i can write a script that enables the screensaver, and re-enables it if it gets deactivated. however i dont want it to run in a loop. im using xscreensaver, and i dont want it to run in a loop because it prints messages on the screen stating that its already active.
[22:52] <tatertots> Quenz: your signal strength appears to be acceptable/54Mbps.
[22:53] <justJanne> it’d be nice if do-release-upgrade on EOL releases would automatically tell you "your release is EOL, should your repos be replaced with old-releases... to upgrade?"
[22:53] <dax> it'd be nice if people stuck to LTSes if they aren't going to be able to upgrade every 6 months
[22:53] <justJanne> it’d be nice if Ubuntu had zero-maintenance releases
[22:54] <akik> justJanne: that's exactly how it should be handled
[22:54] <dax> that'd be quite the achievement, since Ubuntu is a collection of software, and no software is zero-maintenance
[22:54] <proj> dax: I think I am just surprised by the error. It is not intuitive.
[22:54] <justJanne> ^
[22:54] <proj> suddenly nothing installs
[22:54] <TJ-> proj: there is some talk of incorporating an early warning about EOLs
[22:54] <justJanne> there’s no explanation, nothing, the mirrors don’t tell you anything "find older releases at ...", the release is just gone from the mirror
[22:54] <proj> and errors pile up.
[22:55] <Quenz> tatertots I'm gonna do speed tests again. It's usually very inconsistent so I do 5 different ones each time then average them. Just a sec
[22:55] <justJanne> I’ve been planning to move my cluster to container linux from canonical’s k8s anyway, but now I’m gonna make sure I do that as soon as possible
[22:56] <tatertots> Quenz: Ubuntu is recommending the following drivers as "optimal" for your system http://termbin.com/s1ph
[22:57] <proj> dax: in any case, thanks for solving the issue. Quite simple. :)
[22:58] <Quenz> tatertots That's the driver I have installed now. Second one looks like a graphics driver. I just did 3 speed tests and got an average of ~5.5 Mbps, which is about half what I get on Mac OS.
[22:59] <tatertots> Quenz: hmmm are you sure bro?.....https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419299/
[22:59] <tatertots> Quenz: when i look at your https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419299/    and i look for what WLAN driver you are using
[23:00] <tatertots> Quenz: driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:432b
[23:00] <Quenz> Well, I thought I was using that driver. tatertots How do I get rid of the current one, and add the recommended one?
[23:02] <tatertots> Quenz: which is in total contradiction to what drivers ubuntu is "recommending" you to use http://termbin.com/s1ph
[23:03] <tatertots> Quenz: based off of this...I personally would suggest you repeat your speed test using the "recommended" driver and compare the "averages" to what you have had "historically" using driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:432b
[23:03] <nacc> justJanne: ... there are announce posts about eol upcoming; as well as you should know if you intall an OS when its support ends, particularly when ubuntu's is rather consistent
[23:03] <tatertots> Quenz: if you do these things....i think you will be on the path to resolution
[23:04] <Quenz> tatertots Yes, that's what I want to do. I just don't know how to remove the old driver and add the new one, because I thought I already did that, but obviously not.
[23:04] <tatertots> Quenz: and not going down some weird rabbit whole that you found on some random forum site or something or some weird irc user
[23:04] <skinux> TJ: So, should I delete the duplicates that have something after the .so.1?
[23:04] <justJanne> nacc: you’d assume that canonical’s cluster management tools would handle this stuff at least semi-automatically
[23:05] <justJanne> if I set up a kubernetes cluster, with the underlying OS, I’d want it all to work without any maintenance work
[23:05] <tatertots> Quenz: well let's fix it
[23:05] <Quenz> tatertots Yes, let's.
[23:05] <justJanne> as said, I wanted to switch to coreOS’s container linux anyway
[23:05] <nacc> justJanne: you'd need to talk to canonical about that
[23:07] <justJanne> great, and do-release-upgrade doesn’t work at all now
[23:07] <justJanne> how am I supposed to upgrade this now
[23:08] <nacc> !eolupgrade | justJanne
[23:08] <nacc> did you read that?
[23:08] <justJanne> nacc: I followed that
[23:08] <justJanne> it hangs
[23:08] <justJanne> I’ll reboot it all and try again
[23:08] <nacc> justJanne: you switched to old-releases for zesty?
[23:08] <nacc> justJanne: and made sure you were fully up to date first?
[23:09] <janne2> nacc: yes
[23:09] <janne2> I switched to old-releases
[23:09] <janne2> do-release-upgrade tells me my release is out of date, and then hangs forever
[23:09] <nacc> janne2: and made sure you were fully up to date first?
[23:09] <janne2> Yes.
[23:10] <janne2> I’m now rebooting every server, and then we’ll see if that helps.
[23:11] <tatertots> Quenz: Ubuntu is recommending the following drivers as "optimal" for your system http://termbin.com/s1ph and based on that, step #1 is to remove/uninstall the following https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419553/
[23:11] <tatertots> Quenz: step #2 ...install the "recommended" driver(s).
[23:12] <tatertots> Quenz: step #3 repeat your speed tests and record results.
[23:13] <tatertots> Quenz: step #4 let me know how you came out.
[23:13] <Quenz> tatertots the second one is just a graphics driver, I don't have to worry about that one right now, right?
[23:14] <tatertots> Quenz: ideally...you'd install the recommended driver(s).    (note the (s))
[23:16] <janne2> nacc: do-release-upgrade still hangs
[23:16] <nacc> janne2: hangs as inn?
[23:17] <janne2> nacc: it's stuck for several minutes at https://paste.kde.org/pbf5wp1f1
[23:17] <janne2> (traceback captured of the function it hangs at)
[23:17] <Quenz> tatertots Sorry, should I only be installing the drivers marked "recommended", which is only nvidia-340?
[23:18] <nacc> janne2: and this is 17.04 upgrading to 17.10?
[23:18] <janne2> Yes
[23:19] <nacc> janne2: i don't know; others have had no issue
[23:19] <tomreyn> janne2: you don't have a firewall or aynthing installed that prevents or injects outbound http requests by chance?
[23:19] <janne2> firewall yes, but outgoing connections on the external ethernet connection are not modified or blocked
[23:20] <TJ-> nacc: janne2 that won't work, it's calling on changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release which, for 17.04, UpgradeTool wants http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/zesty.tar.gz which is a 404 not found
[23:20] <janne2> So, TJ-, how do I upgrade then?
[23:20] <janne2> the EOL upgrade page tells me to do exactly this
[23:20] <nacc> TJ-: hrm, others did it successfully earlier
[23:21] <tomreyn> TJ-: also, 404 != stuck
[23:21] <TJ-> nacc: right, I'm checking, but you can see in the traceback  uri = self._expandUri(self.new_dist.upgradeToolSig)
[23:21] <Abr1l> can you help me please?
[23:21] <tomreyn> !ask | Abr1l
[23:21] <Abr1l> xauth: /home/mur/.Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored
[23:21] <Abr1l> ubuntu 16.04
[23:22] <tomreyn> Abr1l: provide context, what is trying to write to it, why, and why should it be able to.
[23:22] <Orvalvisje> hello
[23:22] <tomreyn> Abr1l: ...and how did you end up with this error message
[23:23] <nacc> TJ-: and I thought that d-r-u used artful's signatures
[23:23] <nacc> TJ-: but i might be wrong
[23:23] <TJ-> janne2: tomreyn nacc ignore me! It'll be fetching the 17.10 UpgradeTool! as in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/artful.tar.gz
[23:23] <nacc> TJ-: right, new_dist
[23:24]  * TJ- goes to sleep whilst the going's good
[23:24] <Sveta> Orvalvisje: hello :-)
[23:24] <Sveta> Orvalvisje: may I help you?
[23:24] <Abr1l> I updated the system
[23:24] <Abr1l> tomreyn,
[23:25] <tomreyn> janne2: so does 'wget -O /dev/null http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/artful.tar.gz' work?
[23:26] <tomreyn> Abr1l: this does not explain how you ran into this message.
[23:26] <tomreyn> Abr1l: is anything actually broken?
[23:27] <janne2> tomreyn: I now simply wget’d that, untar’d it, and do-release-upgrade --data-dir’d it, and am now moving on
[23:27] <janne2> which works
[23:27] <janne2> while plain do-release-upgrade failed, for whatever reason
[23:27] <Thaelim> hey guys, anyone here running the live ubuntu OS on a usb with persistent storage?
[23:28] <nacc> Thaelim: better to ask a support questionn if you have one
[23:29] <Sveta> Thaelim: maybe! why do you ask?
[23:29] <Abr1l> tomreyn, it's not supposed to, but if you do not allow me to enter it's because if there's something wrong
[23:29] <tomreyn> janne2: glad you found a workaround. we'll probably never know why it failed.
[23:29] <Thaelim> wondering how to basically make the live OS use the persistent partition for any installs like spotify, steam, etc without "installing" the full ubuntu OS onto a second usb. i have tried that it was very unstable and would hang up every 20 sec, but live does fine.
[23:30] <Thaelim> and settings on the OS persistent as well
[23:31] <Petruchio> I'm having trouble upgrading from 17.04 to 17.10.  dist-upgrade is failing to fetch nplan_0.32~17.04.1_amd64.deb. Updating reports that the repository no longer has a release file.
[23:31] <Orvalvisje> Hp laptop, ubuntu 16.04 dual boot win7 ... how to change the language of the ubuntu system? I reside in Brasil, but am not brazilian, however, ubuntu automatically adapted Portuguese as the system language
[23:31] <tomreyn> Thaelim: maybe without a swap partition it would not hang for 20s.
[23:31] <Petruchio> Tried changing repositories, but that didn't help, so I expect that's not the issue.
[23:32] <Petruchio> Any suggestions?
[23:32] <Orvalvisje> however ... i don't know if portuguese is my "system" language ... in the corner, the day is in portuguese, but on desktop when rightclicking, that is in english
[23:32] <Sveta> Thaelim: is there a reason why you don't install the OS to an internal disk?
[23:32] <Thaelim> @tomreyn i've tried with and without swap partitions unfortunately. and every install takes like 2 hours it feels like. tried many things but nothing really helped
[23:32] <Abr1l> tomreyn, When I use a tty and use startx the following appears:
[23:32] <Orvalvisje> but now, when installing updates, it suddenly showed a menu in portuguese
[23:32] <tomreyn> !17.04 | Petruchio
[23:32] <Sveta> Thaelim: just wondering -- usb hardware itself may be unreliable, particularly when something is written multiple times
[23:32] <akik> Petruchio: not sure if this is the correct way but to do it but the setup for me sets it up as all finnish, so i correct it in /etc/default/locale
[23:33] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | Petruchio
[23:33] <Thaelim> @Sveta I would like to have the entire install encrypted as well. If i were to dual boot it would erase my windows data as well if i did that, and that's kinda a last resort for me. lots of backup required
[23:33] <Petruchio> ubottu: :  Yeah, I definitely got that I don't want to be here anymore.
[23:33] <Petruchio> Ah.
[23:34] <janne2> Petruchio: set your repos in /etc/apt/sources.list to old-releases.ubuntu.com,
[23:34] <janne2> then do-release-upgrade should work
[23:34] <Petruchio> Great, thanks.
[23:34] <Sveta> Thaelim: I'd suggest to back everything up in the case of hardware failure as a first step.
[23:34] <janne2> alternatively, download the data file and use it with do-release-upgrade
[23:34] <janne2> source: just did that myself
[23:34] <Sveta> Thaelim: It is possible to create a linux partition and encrypt that without damaging the windows partition.
[23:34] <janne2> completely unintuitive indeed
[23:34] <Abr1l> xinit server error xauth timeout in locking authoring file /home/mur/.xauthority
[23:34] <Thaelim> @Sveta is it easy to screw it up? jw
[23:34] <Abr1l> authority
[23:35] <Sveta> Thaelim: not really, the installer is specifically designed to make it easy.
[23:35] <tomreyn> Thaelim: hmm maybe you have a very slow usb stick then, or usb <2.0 ports. i've tried this with an older cheap 4GB usb stick and it had occasional slowness but nothing as much, and was very useable. and actually a lot faster than the live image.
[23:36] <Thaelim> @sveta well i do have half the hard drive as unalloted space. i would just need to create a partition (ext4?) with it and install on there using the boot with windows option?
[23:37] <Thaelim> @sveta and would the encryption be necessary during or after installation?
[23:39] <Abr1l> tomreyn, xinit server error xauth timeout in locking authority file /home/mur/.xauthority
[23:40] <Sveta> Thaelim: it's best to encrypt during the installation; I'm not sure whether the installer handles encrypted dual boot installs out of the box, hang on I'll check
[23:43] <Thaelim> @sveta i am gonna bring up the installer. already on ubuntu live fortunately
[23:44] <Thaelim> @Sveta with having an encrypted ubuntu install alongside windows on the same HDD, is it possible for the encrypted files to leak over or something similar to that?
[23:44] <Sveta> Thaelim: you are aware that '/' is your root and '/home' is users' personal directories, yes?
[23:45] <Thaelim> @Sveta I remember having to make a partition that's ext4 mount point '/' and another that is fat32 (this was on usb) with mount point as "/yourname"
[23:45] <Petruchio> The upgrade is running.  Thanks janne2 & others.
[23:46] <Sveta> Thaelim: a common practice is to create separate partition for '/' (≤10GB, this is where the OS puts its installed programs and editable systemwide configs and logs) and another larger partition for '/home' (this is where '/home/sveta/', '/home/thaelim' and the like go, with user data, photos, documents, personal settings and the like)
[23:47] <Sveta> Thaelim: as a result '/' (without the '/home') does not normally contain sensitive data
[23:47] <Thaelim> @Sveta okay that makes sense. so why would you only give no more than 10GB for programs to install? what programs fall into this catagory?
[23:48] <Sveta> Thaelim: everything - kernel, web browser, login manager, desktop. I personally find that mine fits within 10GB, but if you install lots of programs, you could do 20GB instead.
[23:48] <Thaelim> @Sveta I was installing programs after the usb install was done and when i had it only at 10gb or so, i ran out of space fast
[23:48] <Thaelim> @Sveta ahh okay makes sense
[23:48] <SCHAPiE> http://kroah.com/log/blog/2018/01/19/meltdown-status-2/
[23:49] <Sveta> Thaelim: there are two options: either you encrypt '/home' (home directory encryption), or you encrypt '/home' as well as '/' (full disk encryption)
[23:49] <Sveta> Thaelim: the latter is more complex and you need to do it during the install process manually, but the former is easier and you can do it after finishing an unencrypted installation.
[23:50] <Thaelim> @Sveta I can't imagine i'll need to encrypt "/" after understanding this better
[23:51] <Sveta> Thaelim: if you wait around here, you may be able to find a volunteer who helps you with full disk encryption with dual boot
[23:52] <Thaelim> @Sveta is that a pretty tricky process? full disk encryption with ubuntu/windows?
[23:53] <Sveta> Thaelim: it has about five to six steps, but I'm unfamiliar with the underlying technology or concepts, so I'm not comfortable with doing this myself here
[23:53] <rommel> http://www.thesimplecomputer.info/full-disk-encryption-with-ubuntu
[23:54] <Sveta> Thaelim: (each step is small, detailed at https://askubuntu.com/questions/293028/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-encrypted-with-luks-with-dual-boot for example)
[23:54] <Thaelim> @Sveta @rommel Thanks for the resources guys, i'll go check them out
[23:58] <Orvalvisje> anyone about language issues in ubuntu 16.04?
[23:58] <tomreyn> !ask | Orvalvisje
[23:58] <Sveta> Orvalvisje: maybe! why do you ask?