[00:00] <akik> Orvalvisje: it can be fixed in /etc/default/locale. the installation sets it for me for finnish and i change it to english afterwards
[00:00] <Orvalvisje> ubuntu 16.04 ... my date in the right upper corner is in portuguese, my rightclick in desktop is english, and during an auto update suddenly appeared a portuguese mesage  (my geographical situation is that i reside in brazil, but am not brazilian)
[00:01] <Orvalvisje> i tried the language setting (apply system wide -> english uk) however, nothing changed
[00:02] <janne2> Orvalvisje: what happens if you type "locale" in a terminal?
[00:02] <janne2> what is the result?
[00:04] <Orvalvisje> how can i show the result?
[00:04] <Orvalvisje> how does the bin thing works?
[00:04] <tomreyn> Orvalvisje: just copy and paste it here if it's 2 lines or less. if it's more, use a !pastebin
[00:04] <tomreyn> !pastebin | Orvalvisje
[00:05] <Orvalvisje> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419781/
[00:06] <xs2> has that oracle package been updated yet?
[00:07] <BillD73> can anyone tell me what the /dev/loop0 and loop1 are for from df -h output?  I dont have konversation installed, failed attempt through Ubuntu gui app store http://paste.ubuntu.com/26419777/  no idea what core belongs too
[00:07] <tomreyn> Thaelim: i would think installing ubuntu with FDE next to another OS is a lot easier nowadays since the ubuntu installer has learnt to  do FDE. still, whenever you operate on a storage which already has data on it, you *must* ensure to have that data backed up. no backups, no pity.
[00:08] <janne2> Orvalvisje: and that tells you what your problem is
[00:08] <tomreyn> xs2: what is "that oracle package" and which ubuntu release are you referring to?
[00:09] <Sveta> janne2: where does Orvalvisje's problem come from?
[00:09] <Orvalvisje> that's what i am wondering as well :s
[00:09] <janne2> Sveta: His problem of parts of the system using portuguese and other parts english?
[00:09] <Sveta> yes, and also the problem of wrong environment variables being set
[00:09] <janne2> Well, they’ve set language to english for text, text sorting; and to portuguese for numbers, time, money, paper sizes, names, addresses, phone numbers, measurements and identifications
[00:10] <xs2>  oracle-java9-installer, XUbuntu 17.10
[00:10] <Sveta> janne2: why is it like this?
[00:10] <janne2> those variables can be changed in the regional settings depending on your desktop environment
[00:10] <Sveta> ah good
[00:10] <janne2> I don’t know where his environment sets them, in KDE you’d set them in system settings -> regional settings
[00:13] <BillD73> nevermind, figured out the one, just dont know why I still have a konversation loop1 since I dont have konversation /snap/core on /dev/loop0 pertains to libre office
[00:13] <Orvalvisje> i don't have "regional settings" ... i have language support (inside system settings) and then regional formats. However, portuguese does not appear there, nor does it seem that the portuguese language is installed at all
[00:14] <tomreyn> run: snap list
[00:14] <tomreyn> BillD73: ^
[00:16] <tomreyn> BillD73: i think you have konversation installed as a 'snap' package (as opposed to a .deb package)
[00:17] <BillD73> tomreyn: hmm idk, I attempted to isntall it from Ubuntu App store, it failed and I found pidgeon
[00:18] <BillD73> i ran snap disable konversation
[00:18] <xs2> oracle-java9-installer, XUbuntu 17.10, package cannot be installed for 10 days so far. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO oracle-java9-installer, XUbuntu 17.10, package cannot be installed for 10 days so far. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO oracle-java9-installer, XUbuntu 17.10, package cannot be installed for 10 days so far. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO oracle-java9-installer, XUbuntu 17.10, package cannot be installed for 10 days so far. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[00:18] <tomreyn> BillD73: you may want to 'snap remove konversation' instead
[00:19] <nacc> xs2: did you mean to complain to oracle instead of spamming the channel? That's not an Ubuntu package :)
[00:20] <xs2> lol
[00:20] <xs2> who's guilty?
[00:20] <tomreyn> xs2: spamming the channel won't increase the probability someone is going to assist you.
[00:20] <xs2> I don't need assistance
[00:20] <nacc> xs2: it's not an ubuntu issue, sorry
[00:20] <xs2> I need people to know that you can't install the biggest package on the biggest linux distribution
[00:20] <nacc> ... not the biggest package, by any means
[00:20] <nacc> xs2: and you should talk to whomever maintains the package
[00:21] <xs2> BOO is for both ubuntu and oracle
[00:22] <xs2> 2 mil people can't focus themselves to change a URL
[00:22] <hggdh> xs2: OK. Point made. Now please stop
[00:22] <xs2> good
[00:22] <BillD73> tomreyn: I did found it after snap --help lol   just not understanding what its doing   its a like a directory structure with nothing in it on the core by canonical
[00:22] <janne2> great, on artful kubelet just crashes
[00:22] <janne2> I’m starting to get mildly annoyed at this
[00:24] <tomreyn> BillD73: loop* are loop devices, if you have the 'man-db' package installed then 'man loop' should explain what that is.
[00:24] <Abr1l> tomreyn, PING
[00:24] <tomreyn> Abr1l: PONG!!11
[00:25] <tomreyn> BillD73: the 'core' snap is discussed if you run: snap info core
[00:28] <DexterF> can I use 3G modems with nmcli?
[00:28] <DexterF> the networkmanger applet in xubuntu does lots of nice things, like let me activate mobile broadband, then setup the modem, I don't have to usb modeswitch and all this
[00:29] <DexterF> on server it's in mass storage mode. will it auto switch when NM talks to it..?
[00:29] <marcoscosmos> So apparently my peak download speed for Kubuntu is 35kbps
[00:30] <marcoscosmos> And for some reason my connection forbids torrenting most of the time.
[00:30] <BillD73> tomreyn: so what I gather of the man page is that its basically a "911 address" that any program that employs snaps can obtain a loop# to keep itself running smooth.... guess it didnt work for konversation lol  course that was a kde? app that problem should have not showed up for  aunity enviroment when I attempted to isntall it
[00:31] <tomreyn> DexterF: i suggested to try nmtui earlier, which provides a somewhat similar 'wizard'-like interface as the GUI. did you give it a try? on the overall question, i have to admit i do not actually have first hand experience on whether you can manage a 3g modem using netwokr manager in general, and the text based interfaces specifically.
[00:32] <Abr1l> tomreyn, /etc/X11/xorg.conf no existe
[00:32] <DexterF> tomreyn, hence the question, I do not see mobile there or even config options for that.
[00:32] <tomreyn> Abr1l: meaning?
[00:34] <DexterF> oh wait.. will nm spawn interface on a headless machine when the user isnt logged in...?
[00:36] <whiskey_kitten> Audacious/banshee/clementine/rhythmbox - votes?
[00:36] <whiskey_kitten> I currently have rhythmbox as it comes with
[00:36] <marcoscosmos> Hey is it possible to change the drivers of an install externally? (e.g. from a live usb)
[00:36] <whiskey_kitten> but pondering a change.
[00:36] <tomreyn> BillD73: loop devices have uses beyond snaps. the most comon use case is to make content of a file archive or file system image available without actually unpacking it. that'd be a "loop mounted image". snaps are actually just that, which is why they need to create loop devices to provide functionality.
[00:37] <DexterF> try all see what you like best and keep them
[00:37] <whiskey_kitten> I have tried them all, but a while ago (years) and I didn't really have a favourite then.
[00:37] <whiskey_kitten> So I just wondered if anyone had any preference, and why.
[00:38] <tomreyn> BillD73: even if you use unity you can still use kde applications as long as the kde libraries are installed (this would happen automatically if you installed kde applications using 'apt', i don't know whether it would work with snaps)
[00:38] <Abr1l> tomreyn, I do not understand
[00:39] <tomreyn> Abr1l: have you tried to get ubuntu support in your native language? this may be much easier. which languages do you speak?
[00:40] <Abr1l> tomreyn, spanish
[00:40] <tomreyn> !es | Abr1l
[00:40] <BillD73> tomreyn: since I could never get konver to run i apt removed it,,, may have just been alingering loop for it in snap   not going to worry just curiousity
[00:41] <Abr1l> ubottu, seee, pero hasta ahora no he logradoconseguir una solucion >S
[00:41] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: explain "drivers of an install"
[00:41] <Abr1l> tomreyn, ouch lol thanks
[00:42] <tomreyn> Abr1l: de nada
[00:42] <marcoscosmos> I can't boot linux off my HDD atm, something about a firmware bug and microcode version. Which I assume refers to intel drivers.
[00:43] <marcoscosmos> I was going to reinstall a different flavour since I need something other than gnome anyway but I can't seem to download a new image
[00:43] <marcoscosmos> so I was wondering if I could do a repair
[00:44] <tomreyn> BillD73: well, it doesn't matter now since you removed it since. and only have the 'core' snap available now, and this will have to remain as long as you keep snap installed.
[00:44] <marcoscosmos> does that clarify things, tomreyn ?
[00:44] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: i'm reading ;)
[00:45] <marcoscosmos> kk
[00:45] <BillD73> tomreyn: its all good
[00:47] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: i'm aware this issue exists, and i'm sure there must be a bug report on launchpad and a workaround, too. have you searched for this, yet?
[00:47] <marcoscosmos> ah sorry not yet
[00:48] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: does this sound like the issue you have encountered? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1741934
[00:49] <blackflow> marcoscosmos: uninstall or downgrade intel-microcode package
[00:49] <blackflow> marcoscosmos: 20180108 is broken
[00:49] <tomreyn> blackflow: i assume you would need to provide instructions on how to uninstall or downgrade it if the system won't boot.
[00:50] <blackflow> tomreyn: chroot from a live usb?
[00:50] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: nope my error message is only one single line
[00:50] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: do you know what it says?
[00:50] <marcoscosmos> blackflow: I do not have the proprietary driver installed SFAIK
[00:51] <blackflow> though, 20180108 update (afaik) doesn't have issues with boot, it has issues with page faults and REboot(s)
[00:51] <tomreyn> blackflow: yes, but he might need this a bit more verbosely ;)
[00:51] <blackflow> they can ask if they do :)
[00:51] <tomreyn> first of all we need to pinpoint the issue, though
[00:51] <marcoscosmos> something like "[firmware bug] could not... due to errata. Please update to microcode version.."
[00:52] <marcoscosmos> I could boot back into it and get the exact text I suppose
[00:52] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: which ubuntu release is it, and what computer model?
[00:52] <marcoscosmos> 17.10.1 and I built this rig from parts
[00:53] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: how about this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-microcode/+bug/1724650
[00:54] <marcoscosmos> yeah that sounds like the one!
[00:54] <blackflow> that shouldn't block boot tho'
[00:54] <blackflow> maybe it's just the last/only output you see? boot jus thangs after that?
[00:56] <TheDist> if I change a dir's group from root to a group that a user is part of, can that user access all files within that folder regardless of they're still part of the root group?
[00:57] <marcoscosmos> blackflow: yeah now that you mention it I think actually I've been getting that message as the first message at boot for a while back when I was running arch, but on ubuntu it hadn't been showing console during boot at all lately. You're probably right. It's the first and last message, after that it just hangs.
[00:58] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: which graphics card do you have there, in case you can remember?
[00:59] <marcoscosmos> nvidia GTX 770. I think the drivers had started to corrupt as I was getting a popup in previous boots last night and had to force it to load
[00:59] <Thaelim> lol soooooo much faster installing on hdd rather than usb
[01:00] <tomreyn> TheDist: that's not the immediate result of such a change, no. permissions on directories only enable or disable a user from entering (changing into) and viwing the contents of a directory (directory listing).
[01:01] <tomreyn> TheDist: accessing what's inside a directory does require directory permissions, however.
[01:03] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: do you think removing the proprietary drivers might allow me to boot? And if so, how do I do that in this situation?
[01:03] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: in comment 50 on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-microcode/+bug/1724650  (close to the bottom), Zachary Habrat (idea2form) mentiones that he has 2x gtx 780ti, which is very similar.
[01:04] <TheDist> Thanks. Permissions are a little confusing as I'm using letsencrypt for ssl certs, at first my app couldn't read them as they were root only, so I set the files to a group I had access to, which worked. But now when new certs are generated I can still access them despite them being the root group
[01:04] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: didnt you say you have no proprietary drivers installed or did i just make this up?
[01:05] <marcoscosmos> I have nvidia drivers, just not the intel microcode drivers
[01:05] <tatertots> marcoscosmos: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[01:06] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: oh ok, i misunderstood. well i think it'll be related to the nvidia drivers, yes.
[01:06] <blackflow> marcoscosmos: nvidia proprietary requires you to disable splash in grub, did you do that?
[01:06] <marcoscosmos> tatertots: yes I'm running windows in a dual boot scenario. Windows boots, Ubuntu doesm
[01:06] <marcoscosmos> doesn't*
[01:07] <tatertots> marcoscosmos: oh i see, you are chatting from windows now and ubuntu will NOT boot.
[01:07] <tatertots> 10-4
[01:07] <blackflow> marcoscosmos: you can try this, from the grub menu, hit F10 on the default entry, then in the editor that opens find the line that starts with "linux /vmlinuz ....", remove "splash" and hit "e" to continue booting.
[01:07] <marcoscosmos> tatertots: precisely
[01:07] <blackflow> marcoscosmos: actually remove both "quiet" and "splash" words, that'll give you kernel output so you can see where it fails.
[01:08] <marcoscosmos> blackflow: I'm not sure, I'll try that. It had been running earlier in the day though.
[01:08] <marcoscosmos> but yeah removing quiet should help anyway
[01:08] <marcoscosmos> brb
[01:12] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: this may help: https://askubuntu.com/a/969382 - maybe you only need to add "nvidia-drm.modeset=1" (without quotation marks) to the 'linux' line on the grub editor.
[01:16] <tomreyn> TheDist: so you are trying to make those files inaccessible for the restricted user?
[01:16] <tomreyn> or was your issue solved? i'm not sure.
[01:18] <TheDist> I want them to be accessible to that user. I just don't know why when the first set of certs were created, only root could access them, yet after I changed the directory permissions all new certs created are readable, despite still being root group
[01:20] <tomreyn> TheDist: maybe the files' owner changed? by 'access', do you mean 'list them in their directory' or 'actually access their contents'?
[01:22] <tomreyn> TheDist: if user and owner are the same, chances are that other users have read access to the files, i.e. they are mode 644 or similar.
[01:22] <TheDist> I mean read their contents. originally the files were -rwx------ root root. I created a group called 'certAccess' and changed the folder to root certAccess, and now certs are being generated with -rw-r--r-- root root
[01:24] <tomreyn> TheDist: okay, i also would not know / understand why the newer files are created with different access restrictions then. i could only guess that the 'old files' (only root can access) are actually private keys and the 'new files' are actually certificate files.
[01:24] <Thaelim2> So I decided to install Ubuntu on my HDD (backed up important files) and I get a purple screen. I've tried looking at guides but the method of getting to grub isn't working for me. I have tried holding and mashing shift to get there. I get logged in before the purple screen is stuck.
[01:25] <tomreyn> TheDist: having -rw------- on a private key but -rw-r--r-- on a certificate would be most sensible.
[01:26] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: which methods for getting to grub have you tried?
[01:26] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: sorry, you said so.
[01:26] <TheDist> Both the old set and the new set contain both certificates and private keys. So I have no idea why it's now generating them broader permissions
[01:28] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: i'm getting tired. ;) try holding (not mashing) the left hand shift key during boot, so after the bios / hardware advertisement screen switches to where ubuntu starts.
[01:28] <tomreyn> TheDist: hmm, neither, sorry.
[01:28] <Thaelim2> Okay I'll try that
[01:28] <marcoscosmos> Okay well non-quiet definitely got more output; I'm not sure if it's helpful but one of the messages was about bios with 0 devices found? trying to upload an image from my phone atm
[01:29] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: the other option is mashing Esc
[01:29] <Thaelim2> Am I supposed to get to the unlocking my disk that is encrypted?
[01:29] <TheDist> So ideally, if I want a web server (not running as root) to use the certs, I should set the certs and private keys to -rwxr----- root certAccess, and have the web server part of the certAccess group?
[01:30] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: this may help: https://askubuntu.com/a/969382 - maybe you only need to add "nvidia-drm.modeset=1" (without quotation marks) to the 'linux' line on the grub editor.
[01:30] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: it'll be good to see your image, though
[01:30] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: no that's too far already.
[01:30] <marcoscosmos> https://pasteboard.co/H3J8ojn.jpg
[01:30] <eskimo> Hey all, so I had clamav installed and removed it, but now I'm getting messages about dependencies related to it whenever I try to install anything else. Any ideas?
[01:31] <eskimo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26420103/
[01:31] <Thaelim2> Okay thanks. I'll keep trying
[01:31] <Thaelim2> I got grub! Haha thanks
[01:32] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: is this a zfs file system?
[01:32] <Thaelim2> No. ext3 or 4
[01:32] <eskimo> If I try to remove clamav-daemon then I get this https://paste.ubuntu.com/26420110/
[01:33] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: sorry, zwswap i snot fzs ;)
[01:33] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: sorry, zswap i snot zfs ;)
[01:34] <Thaelim2> Idk. I didn't manually do it so I didn't add swaps myself. Just used the erase entire disk with encryption checked for whole disk but not /home/ yet
[01:34] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: looks like it's partially removed or expects to be running when uninstalled. What's the output of dpkg -L clamav-daemon?
[01:34] <Thaelim2> But I wouldn't think so
[01:34] <tomreyn> Thaelim2: hmm then i guess ubuntu now uses this by default and i just didn't see this, yet. well possible.
[01:35] <eskimo> marcoscosmos: lots of stuff https://paste.ubuntu.com/26420118/
[01:35] <marcoscosmos> okay perfect, and the output of ls /lib/systemd/system/?
[01:36] <eskimo> marcoscosmos: Nothing matching "clam" in there
[01:37] <marcoscosmos> yeah that's what I thought
[01:37] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: wait, you are the one with zswap :)
[01:37] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: I have zswap?
[01:38] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: that'S what it says on the screenie you posted
[01:38] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: Try force-reinstalling clamav-daemon and run ls /lib/systemd/system/ again. If the two files listed by dpkg are there after that you may be able to uninstall
[01:39] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: okay cool I don't know what that means though?
[01:39] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: hmm then maybe it's really default
[01:39] <eskimo> marcoscosmos: No luck :/
[01:40] <eskimo> Same output as the 2nd paste
[01:40] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: I'd say so.
[01:40] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: its for compressing swap memory, to not consume so much RAM and not swap so much to disk.
[01:40] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: rats. In that case I'd try manually creating fake/empty files for those two. I'
[01:41] <eskimo> Hrmmm, not a bad idea
[01:41] <marcoscosmos> I'm not 100% sure that systemd will be happy about it but it should be fine
[01:41] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: i agree that the 0 edd devices message may be an issue.
[01:42] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: wait
[01:42] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: actually, not an issue, i have it too, and i booted fine. ;)
[01:42]  * eskimo is waiting
[01:42] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: Alternatively. does sudo service start clamav-daemon do anything?
[01:42] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: strange.
[01:43] <eskimo> start: unrecognized service
[01:43] <marcoscosmos> okay yeah try the manual thing
[01:43] <tatertots> eskimo: open terminal
[01:44] <tatertots> eskimo: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[01:44] <tatertots> eskimo: let me know when done
[01:44] <marcoscosmos> I think this is probably a bug in clamav though, or the daemon was unintentionally marked as manually installed and should have removed itself with the main app for example
[01:44] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: any other hints from the image?
[01:45] <marcoscosmos> oh wait I'll try the nvidia-drm.modeset=1
[01:45] <eskimo> tatertots: can't install anything
[01:45] <marcoscosmos> oh eskimo, can you run uh
[01:45] <marcoscosmos> what's the command
[01:45] <marcoscosmos> sudo apt configure -a?
[01:46] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: no. i'd say try "nvidia-drm.modeset=1", if this doesn't work just use "text" and make sure you install the latest nvidia drivers and intel-microcode package (assuming that's an intel cpu).
[01:46] <marcoscosmos> "text"?
[01:46] <eskimo> E: Command line option 'a' [from -a] is not understood in combination with the other options.
[01:46] <tatertots> eskimo: open termial
[01:46] <tatertots> eskimo: journalctl -p 3|nc termbin.com 9999
[01:46] <tatertots> eskimo: share url/link here
[01:46] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: that's a kernel command line / boot parameter
[01:47] <eskimo> What does that do tatertots ?
[01:48] <eskimo> Oh just gives a link
[01:48] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: sorry it's hard to figure out the correct command from windows. tatertots wants you to do a pastebin of the output of journalctl -p 3.
[01:48] <tatertots> eskimo: hypothetically, lets say you followed instructions, you would be able to view the url/link "PRIOR" to sharing it here
[01:48] <tatertots> eskimo: this would answer your question also by proxy
[01:48] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: you can also try zswap.enabled=0
[01:48] <tatertots> eskimo: and reveal more of the mystery
[01:48] <eskimo> tatertots: http://termbin.com/51h3
[01:48] <tatertots> eskimo: "hypothetically" speaking
[01:49] <blackflow> tomreyn: not latest microcode one tho'. see bug #1742933
[01:49] <tatertots> eskimo: of course you'd have to actually follow instructions to observe any of what i just said...
[01:49] <marcoscosmos> okay thanks tomreyn: do I just add them on the same line where I removed the other stuff?
[01:49] <eskimo> tatertots: Ermmm what did I do wrong?
[01:49] <eskimo> I copy/pasted the command you asked?
[01:49] <tomreyn> blackflow: hmm right, you have a point.
[01:50] <marcoscosmos> Maybe I'll try one more time to download a new iso whilst I'm here..
[01:51] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: yes. but add them one by one, to know which one results in which change. you should  always remove 'quiet' and 'splash' thoufh.
[01:51] <tomreyn> *though
[01:51] <marcoscosmos> reinstalling all the software I use is a pain but the upgrade from xenial to artful left like 150 unsupported packages behind anyway
[01:51] <tatertots> eskimo: apt list --installed|grep clam|nc termbin.com 9999
[01:51] <marcoscosmos> yeah kk.
[01:51] <tatertots> eskimo: share url/link here
[01:52] <eskimo> tatertots: http://termbin.com/yfhs
[01:52] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: also *don't* install intel-microcode, this was a bad suggestion.
[01:52] <tatertots> eskimo: lots of "Jan 18 20:46:33 jordankoch systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: ClamAV daemon."
[01:52] <blackflow> tomreyn: marcoscosmos: you can install the 20170707 version tho', see "apt policy"
[01:53] <tatertots> eskimo: just rock with /follow me....we iron out the wrinkles
[01:53] <blackflow> I wish the november update was in the packages, that one has some fixes
[01:53] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: yeah I picked up on that the moment you said it haha
[01:54] <tatertots> eskimo: you know how you said "i removed clamAV"
[01:54] <tatertots> eskimo: i call BS
[01:54] <eskimo> Well
[01:54] <eskimo> I apt remove'd it
[01:54] <tatertots> eskimo: this is important because else people start talking about "bugs" and stuff
[01:54] <eskimo> And then all this happened
[01:54] <tomreyn> BS = bachelor of science, obviously.
[01:54] <tatertots> eskimo: without realizing the most important rule
[01:55] <tatertots> eskimo: there is a "human" sitting in front of most computers
[01:55] <tatertots> eskimo: and humans are NOT perfect
[01:55] <tatertots> eskimo: and humans usually think they are smarter than they really are
[01:55] <eskimo> o.O
[01:55] <michael2> hi all. I have a default install of ubuntu 16.04 and I would like to play a mp4 on totem media player. when I try I get a prompt indicating more dependencies are needed, but whenI click [install] I get many lines of error messages like:
[01:55] <michael2> ** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|1.0|totem|MPEG-4 AAC decoder|decoder-audio/mpeg,
[01:56] <eskimo> I'm not following tatertots o.O
[01:57] <tatertots> eskimo: so now this makes more sense
[01:57] <tomreyn> michael2: can you run this on a terminal: dpkg -l libgstreamer\* | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:57] <tatertots> eskimo: Jan 18 23:36:47 jordankoch systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: ClamAV daemon.
[01:57] <eskimo> Well yeah, it just didn't remove all the way?
[01:58] <tatertots> eskimo: you never removed ClamAV in the first place as per http://termbin.com/yfhs
[01:58] <eskimo> Well, I did. It just didn't actually do it and said it did?
[01:59] <michael2> tomreyn: per your request http://termbin.com/wajd
[01:59] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: no dice for either nvidia-drm.modeset=1 or text
[01:59] <marcoscosmos> :\
[02:00] <tatertots> eskimo: so what do you want to do?....do you want to "actually" remove/uninstall clamav?
[02:00] <marcoscosmos> And I'm guessing text not working is a very bad sign
[02:00] <eskimo> tatertots: Thats the plan yeah. That's what I tried to do that caused this.
[02:00] <tatertots> eskimo: oops sorry you are NOT following me...i'm a slow reader...soorry....goood luck
[02:00] <tomreyn> michael2: okay, now run this and follow thorugh with the installation, then try restarting totem and playing the video again: sudo apt update; sudo apt install libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0
[02:00] <eskimo> tatertots: ......what?
[02:01] <Kurogane> Hi, i've a problem with install libapache2-mod-fastcgi i'm not sure why gives this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/26420205/
[02:01] <tatertots> eskimo: j/k
[02:01] <eskimo> tatertots: I mean I don't follow as it, I don't get it -_-
[02:01] <michael2> tomreyn: will do. the termbin.com trick is pretty cool BTW
[02:01] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: weird, what about zswap?
[02:01] <eskimo> I'm getting really close to just wiping the whole server -_-
[02:02] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: how do I do that one again?
 marcoscosmos: you can also try zswap.enabled=0
[02:02] <tatertots> eskimo: well i'm not a psychic and cannot see the future....but uh you gonna remove clamav...and then let us know if you actually have a issue technical in nature?
[02:03] <eskimo> tatertots: Well... How do I remove it then.... because I can't use apt...
[02:03] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: and here's yet another (also to be tried seperately): vga=791
[02:03] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: did you try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"? which is the command I was trying to find for you earlier
[02:04] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: okay thanks.
[02:04] <eskimo> marcoscosmos: yeah, nothing
[02:05] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: I wish I could just wipe at this point. Well, I could but, I'd be installing a bunch of software I don't want (gnome)
[02:05] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: damn. what's the output if you try like
[02:05] <marcoscosmos> sudo apt install clamav?
[02:05] <marcoscosmos> (or any other package)
[02:06] <eskimo> marcoscosmos: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26420234/
[02:06] <marcoscosmos> and what was the output of -f install?
[02:06] <eskimo> Same with -f install
[02:06] <eskimo> :P
[02:06] <michael2> tomreyn: I did apt install libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0  - now when I launch totem I get a dialogue box saying [install multimedia plugin?]
[02:07] <marcoscosmos> I swear I've had a similar issue before and fixed it somehow..
[02:07] <vfw> eskimo: What happened when you ran 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'?
[02:07] <eskimo> vfw: Nothing at all.
[02:07] <marcoscosmos> oh, if you're getting "is not going to be installed"!
[02:07] <tomreyn> michael2: i guess you should
[02:07] <michael2> and it wants to install libgstreamer-1.0
[02:08] <tomreyn> michael2: which you have already, right?
[02:08] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: what's the output of "sudo apt-cache search clamav-freshclam"? and which version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:08] <michael2> tomreyn: yeah, I did that the first time and it failed
[02:09] <tomreyn> michael2: can you run 'file' on mp4 file?
[02:09] <eskimo> marcoscosmos: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26420245/ and it's 16.04.3
[02:09] <tomreyn> michael2: can you run 'file' on the mp4 file?
[02:10] <marcoscosmos> eskimo: okay I'm starting to think your repo/sources lists have a problem with them
[02:10] <marcoscosmos> uh sec
[02:10] <michael2> why_are_dogs_noses_wet.mp4: ISO Media, MP4 Base Media v1 [IS0 14496-12:2003]
[02:10] <michael2> tomreyn: output of file above
[02:11] <eskimo> marcoscosmos: I think you're right. This is the only thing inside /etc/apt/sources.list - deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main universe restricted multiverse
[02:11] <michael2> tomreyn: ah now its running - thanks - your awesome!
[02:11] <tomreyn> eskimo: sudo dpkg --remove clamav; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install
[02:12] <tomreyn> michael2: :) glad i could help
[02:12] <eskimo> Lol dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove clamav which isn't installe
[02:12] <eskimo> d
[02:12] <marcoscosmos> what about the sources.list.d/sources.d/whatever?
[02:13] <tomreyn> eskimo: oh, so you have an inconsistent package database state. reinstall.
[02:13] <vfw> eskimo: How did you install clamav in the first place?
[02:13] <marcoscosmos> It's strange, normally you'd have more entries even though that's theoretically all you need
[02:13] <eskimo> tomreyn: Well, reinstalling kinda is not really a good option
[02:13] <marcoscosmos> reinstall the whole distro?? tomreyn
[02:14] <marcoscosmos> Surely it's not that dire
[02:14] <eskimo> vfw: I have no idea, it was years ago
[02:14] <michael2> tomreyn: so I can understand what happened. did the libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 package install some codecs or something? and if thats all that was needed why didn't the dialogue box totem launched install that in the first place?
[02:14] <michael2> instead of trying to install libgstreamer-1.0-libav or whatever?
[02:15] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: unless eskimo is able to undo this by manually editing the package database *again* (which he or a utility he used must have done before to create the inconsistency in the first place).
[02:16] <tomreyn> michael2: yes, the 'plugins' are actually codecs
[02:16] <tomreyn> michael2: i assume that mechanism is buggy, it has been working sometimes for me but not others.
[02:17] <vfw> eskimo: sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq clamav
[02:17] <tomreyn> michael2: ...over the years / on different linux distributions and releases
[02:17] <marcoscosmos> oh so wait. eskimo: it may be possible that none of those clamav-daemon files exist, or any of the other clamav packages? In which case yeah you'll need to figure out how to inform dpkg that it's actually uninstalled or else start over
[02:17] <eskimo> wait
[02:17] <eskimo> I fixed it I think
[02:18] <eskimo> Kinda
[02:18] <eskimo> Found a sources.list https://askubuntu.com/questions/863933/ubuntu-16-04-messed-sources-list
[02:18] <eskimo> And update/and then did the -f install thing
[02:18] <marcoscosmos> I had a similar issue with pacman and python packages but in reverse and it didn't prevent installs
[02:18] <eskimo> And it kinda helped
[02:18] <Guest284> Hello, I'm having a problem with a failed dist upgrade from 16.04. Based on eskimo's message I'm not the only one?
[02:19] <marcoscosmos> okay so, I'm gunna resume my own troubleshooting. What were the commands, tomreyn ?
[02:19] <vfw> eskimo: Let's see, try:  sudo apt update
[02:19] <tomreyn> Guest284: it is most likely, almost definitely, unrelated.
[02:19] <michael2> tomreyn: ah so the totem "fix missing dependencies" launcher is actually programmed by the totem upstream project? and is essentially a wrapper around the many different distro's packaging managers? apt, yum, pacman etc?
[02:20] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: which commands?
[02:20] <vfw> Guest284: What error(s)  do you get?
[02:20] <Guest284> I was notified of an OS upgrade to 17.04. I was on 16.04 LTS. I'm not sure why I was asked to upgrade to non-LTS but I mistakenly did anyway. So now I'm partially on Zesty but with Zesty's repos down I can't dist-upgrade
[02:20] <eskimo> vfw: Ermmm well not quite
[02:20] <Guest284> What is the recommended way to force dist-upgrade to 17.10 in spite of the "no release file" error on 17.04 repos atm?
[02:20] <tomreyn> michael2: yes, without having verified, that's how i think it is.
[02:20] <marcoscosmos> disable zswap and uh vga=179?
[02:21] <vfw> eskimo: what errors do you get now?
[02:21] <blackflow> !eol | Guest284
[02:21] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: they're on the channel logs
[02:21] <eskimo> The same thing if I try to remove clamav*, but I can install other stuff at least now
[02:21] <blackflow> Guest284: that last link
[02:21] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: (aka don't make me repeat what i said before,once again)
[02:22] <tomreyn> !irclogs | marcoscosmos
[02:22] <Guest284> Is it normal to be asked to upgrade to from LTS to non-LTS a week before that non-LTS is EOL?
[02:22] <vfw> eskimo: Try some of the previous commands...
[02:22] <blackflow> Guest284: nope
[02:22] <eskimo> It gives me an error if I try to remove saying files don't exist, but if I try to install it tells me it's already the newest version -_-
[02:22] <eskimo> I have, nothing works
[02:23] <vfw> eskimo: sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq clamav
[02:23] <eskimo> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove clamav which isn't installed
[02:23] <eskimo> Same shit
[02:23] <blackflow> eskimo: install --reinstall clamav
[02:23] <blackflow> eskimo: and all the other packages mentioned in that list, then remove them
[02:23] <tomreyn> Guest284: especially not from an LTS release to a non-LTS release which is two steps ahead.
[02:24] <eskimo> This is the problem https://paste.ubuntu.com/26420297/
[02:24] <eskimo> I can't get around it no matter what
[02:25] <Guest284> tomreyn: yep I was on 16.04.3 LTS, then I got the notif to upgrade, I didn't carefully check the version proposed and now I'm partially on 17.04. This was before it became EOL. My machine has been up since. Now I can't finish it. Lots of mistakes on my part
[02:25] <Guest284> I'll follow the linked instructions to EOL Upgrade
[02:25] <marcoscosmos> okay. cool. Tsk two hours to download a measely 1.2 gb..
[02:26] <blackflow> eskimo: did you try the install --reinstall  way?
[02:26] <tomreyn> Guest284: sounds like a plan, follow them thoroughly, since you have only partially upgraded to 17.04 as you say.
[02:26] <eskimo> Yeah, not helping
[02:26] <blackflow> what's the output of it?
[02:26] <eskimo> I can't install
[02:26] <eskimo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:26] <eskimo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/clamav-daemon_0.99.2+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2_amd64.deb
[02:26] <eskimo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:26] <eskimo> Same shit
[02:27] <tomreyn> that's a different error
[02:27] <eskimo> It's the identical error
[02:27] <eskimo> Also mentions /usr/bin/deb-systemd-helper: error: unable to read clamav-daemon.service
[02:27] <eskimo> and Failed to stop clamav-daemon.socket: Unit clamav-daemon.socket not loaded.
[02:27] <eskimo> It's literally the same shit over and over again no matter what you guys tell me to do
[02:27] <blackflow> eskimo: reinstall. :)
[02:28] <eskimo> Nope
[02:28] <tomreyn> previously you were stuck with the clamav package missing dpeendencies., now it's clamav-daemon
[02:28] <eskimo> It's been clamav-daemon the whole time
[02:28] <tomreyn> eskimo: okay, but that was listed 2nd before, now it's first?
[02:28] <vfw> eskimo: What does 'less /etc/issue' say?
[02:29] <eskimo> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS \n \l
[02:29] <Guest284> tomreyn: Downgrading is not recommended right? I never wanted to be on non-LTS but I have no issue with artful if it's just easier that way
[02:29] <vfw> eskimo: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[02:30] <tomreyn> Guest284: release downgrading is neither recommended nor supported nor a sane concept to begin with.
[02:30] <blackflow> Guest284: did you try out artful already somwhere? it changes a few...... things...
[02:30] <eskimo> vfw: Yeah everything up to date, nothing exciting
[02:30] <Guest284> backflow: nope but I'm stuck with it now haha
[02:30] <vfw> eskimo: reboot
[02:30] <eskimo> Can't
[02:31] <eskimo> Too early
[02:31] <eskimo> I host too much stuff
[02:31] <blackflow> Guest284: well, watch out for systemd-resolved. if your DNS starts having issues, that's most likely the cause. I just remove it altogether. also networking is now handled by netplan (see ubuntu wiki for it).
[02:31] <Guest284> backflow: I have no choice but to finish this dist-upgrade. In case you didn't see my first msg: I was on xenial and I got partially upgraded to zesty. Zesty is EOL now
[02:31] <tomreyn> Guest284: your choices are: 17.10 (non LTS) for the next 3 months, then upgrade to 18.04 LTS, or reinstall now to 16.04 LTS.
[02:31] <blackflow> hmm, maybe the bot has a link
[02:31] <blackflow> !netplan
[02:31] <blackflow> nope
[02:32] <vfw> eskimo: 'ldconfig && depmod -a'
[02:33] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: the vga one worked. Side-note: I think I've got an .xinitrc file which launches my window manager. I'm surprised it wasn't breaking things earlier but could it be related?
[02:33] <eskimo> vfw: K, now wut
[02:33] <blackflow> Guest284: yes, I got that. I was just trying to warn you that artful does a few things differently now, so you're not (unpleasantly) surprised, since you were.... pushed into this so to speak.
[02:33] <vfw> eskimo: sudo ldconfig && sudo depmod -a
[02:33] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: i don't think so, no, the boot seemed to get stuck much earlier.
[02:33] <Guest284> backflow: thanks, I copied your msg down on my phone
[02:34] <Guest284> wish me luck
[02:34] <eskimo> vfw: Yeah, I'm root right now
[02:34] <vfw> eskimo: Oh, ok... well I dono...
[02:34] <Guest284> 1360 packages to upgrade from my xenial/zesty frankenstein
[02:34] <blackflow> Guest284: that's two biggest WTFs, the rest is same old, just newer :)
[02:34] <vfw> (I'm all washed up.)
[02:34]  * eskimo commits suicide
[02:34] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: true. it definitely seemed to be display drivers
[02:34] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: this vga=791 should just be a temporary workaround, of course. this is failsafe low performance graphics.
[02:34] <vfw> eskimo: RIP
[02:34] <eskimo> :P
[02:35] <marcoscosmos> yeah
[02:35] <marcoscosmos> that's about what I thought
[02:36] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: you can inspect your /var/log/syslog.1 and /var/log/Xorg.?.log.olg to maybe get a clue on where it failed.
[02:36] <tomreyn> that's /var/log/Xorg.?.log.old
[02:36] <marcoscosmos> okie
[02:36] <tomreyn> (had a typo there)
[02:38] <bens_linux> hey guys im need some help
[02:38] <Abr1l> tomreyn, thanks for the help, I could fix it
[02:39] <Abr1l> tomreyn, :*
[02:39] <bens_linux> has any one had any problems changing to a custom theme on linux lite?
[02:39] <tomreyn> Abr1l: i already forgot what 'it' was :) but i'm glad you succeeded.
[02:39] <tomreyn> bens_linux: what is "linux lite"?
[02:41] <bens_linux> its the Linux  OS im using
[02:41] <tomreyn> bens_linux: ok, and what's the name of this IRC channel?
[02:41] <bens_linux> oh ubuntu
[02:42] <tomreyn> bens_linux: well done!
[02:43] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: what's the irc logs link again? the ubottu info site seems to be down
[02:43] <tomreyn> !irclogs
[02:44] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: and yes it's down. i tried to reach someone to bring it up again, but so far no one has responded.
[02:47] <Abr1l> tomreyn, jejejejeje xorg ;)
[02:49] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: so apparently upgrading to 17.10 flipped back to nouveau drivers, probably the root cause of my issues xD
[02:49] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: could well be ;)
[02:51] <marcoscosmos> Also running apt install nvidia-current probably made it worse... by having both drivers together. I forgot about blacklisting noveau since I normally just use the additional drivers page.
[02:51] <marcoscosmos> whoooops
[02:52] <tomreyn> \o/
[02:52] <Bashing-om> marcoscosmos: Bear in mind that 17.10 has wayland as a DE, and wayland/nvidia do not play nice - thus the default to nouveau - maybe ?
[02:52] <siva_machina> "doh!"
[02:53] <tomreyn> where "do not play nice" seems to be a honorable understatement.
[02:54] <marcoscosmos> Possibly. is wayland use determined by the DE or by the DM? Bashing-om
[02:54] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: lOl .. yeah that too .
[02:55] <Bashing-om> marcoscosmos: well .. they are separate sessions . one chooses which to boot at the login .
[02:55] <Guest41212> Hello, I was guest 3something before, sorry I forgot. I finished the dist-upgrade and now my display settings are messed up. I am stuck on a low resolution
[02:55] <Guest41212> I was using proprietary nvidia drivers before the upgrade. I tried switching to the noveau drivers and it didn't change anything
[02:56] <marcoscosmos> Guest41212: you're in luck
[02:56] <tomreyn> !irclogs | Guest41212 in case you would like to review the past events and nicknames
[02:56] <marcoscosmos> I'm having the same issue and I think I'm getting closer to a resolution. been at it since yesterday
[02:57] <Guest41212> didn't someone say 10 minutes ago that the logs were down?
[02:57] <Bashing-om> Guest41212: Skow the channel in a pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[02:57] <marcoscosmos> they aren't down, just a bit out of date. ubottu.com is down though
[02:58] <Bashing-om> show*
[02:58] <marcoscosmos> brb I'm going to try the proprietary drivers again
[02:58] <tomreyn> Guest41212: you are right, sorry.
[02:58] <marcoscosmos> oh wait
[02:58] <marcoscosmos> first
[02:58] <Guest41212> *-display UNCLAIMED
[02:58] <Guest41212>        description: VGA compatible controller
[02:58] <Guest41212>        product: GM206 [GeForce GTX 950]
[02:58] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: you can't fix ubottu's webserver by chance?
[02:58] <marcoscosmos> I need update my grub to disable quiet and splash
[02:59] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: I am sonmetimes real glad I do not have that power :)
[02:59] <tomreyn> :)
[03:00] <tomreyn> in the end it's probably just the letsencrypt script not working
[03:00] <V7> Hey all :)
[03:00] <Apachez> in 17.10 the "show applications" (the 9 dots) are in the lower left - how do I make it appear in the upper left instead (similar to how it was in 17.04)?
[03:00] <Bashing-om> Guest41212: Well, we know the cause now .. for the dix - we work on it ... is this a hybrid graphic's system ?
[03:00] <V7> So an issue. The ethernet connection jsut dissapeared. It says the link is not ready.
[03:01] <Guest41212> Bashing-om: if you're asking if I have more than one GPU, nope
[03:01] <V7> I'm connected to machine via iKVM (BMS|IPMI feature) so it has connection to cable, but OS doesn't get an ip from dhcp server ofrotuer
[03:03] <Bashing-om> Guest41212: L . makes things easier with onlu the nvidia chip . OK now what session do we have ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' ?
[03:03] <Guest41212> x11
[03:03] <tomreyn> V7: and this happened all of a sudden while the OS was still running?
[03:04] <V7> tomreyn, Nope, the power was lost, so it was rebooted
[03:04] <shaun> -V-
[03:05] <Bashing-om> Guest41212: Try ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt purge nvidia ' . reboot. This should bring you up on the nouveau driver .
[03:06] <tomreyn> V7: so the likely suspect is a change which mainfested between the last but one reboot and the last reboot. which could be a manual configuration change, or a software update.
[03:06] <V7> tomreyn, Is it possible to reinstall network configuration ?
[03:06] <vfw> Bashing-om: He may also need to get rid of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:06] <V7> To defaults
[03:07] <tomreyn> V7: you can restore it from your backup, if it was a static configuration
[03:07] <V7> tomreyn, Yeah, I didn't change any configuration of network
[03:07] <V7> So where're backups for it ?
[03:07] <tomreyn> V7: which ubuntu release is this?
[03:07] <Guest41212> Bashing-om: I'm assuming you meant purge nvidia*. Sure I'll give that a go. These proprietary drivers are finneky sometimes but I'm worried it's my xorg conf
[03:07] <Bashing-om> vfw: is a good thouhgt .. though with but the single chip . I would not expect the config file to exist .
[03:08] <tomreyn> V7: i don't know where you keep your backups ;)
[03:08] <vfw> V7: systemctl status  #Look for enp8???
[03:08] <Guest41212> Bashing-om tomreyn: I have an xorg conf. Should I just delete it? I know for a fact I don't have anything important in it
[03:08] <vfw> V7: systemctl status  #Look for your network interfae...
[03:09] <tomreyn> Guest41212: i would rename it, just to be safe.
[03:09] <V7> vfw, https://i.imgur.com/T43GtuY.png
[03:09] <vfw> Bashing-om: Nvidia install creates one...
[03:09] <Bashing-om> Guest41212: see above . a config file is not expected . but if it exist - /etc/X11/xorg.conf - remove it  ..
[03:10] <Guest41212> vfw: if I uninstall nvidia drivers it should be safe to remove then, yes?
[03:10] <vfw> Guest41212: Yes
[03:11] <Bashing-om> Guest41212: as above if you are concerned .. just move it . But now-a-days that fikle us depreciated as the kernel does discovery and setting .
[03:11] <Guest41212> ok I will remove the drivers, remove the xorg conf, reboot, and see if I can get the display working properly on OSS driver
[03:11] <vfw> Guest41212: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:11] <tomreyn> V7: When "It says the link is not ready", what does it say exactly?
[03:12] <V7> tomreyn, https://i.imgur.com/7dRMXcq.png
[03:13] <vfw> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/AeYgUI6.png
[03:13] <tomreyn> V7: what does 'ip link' say?
[03:13] <V7> https://i.imgur.com/Tu3kR6H.png
[03:13] <Apachez> answer msyelf: gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-apps-at-top true
[03:13] <multi_io> apt-get update fails with various 404s in current 17.04 (the Docker image at least). Bug??
[03:13] <vfw> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/MMpgecu.png
[03:13] <tomreyn> vfw: are you the same person as V7?
[03:14] <V7> ?
[03:14] <vfw> tomreyn: No, just forwarding what he already sent us.
[03:14] <tomreyn> oh, i must have missed those earlier posts
[03:14] <V7> Sorry, I'll copy the name before sending
[03:14] <Bashing-om> !zesty | multi_io
[03:14] <V7> If you prefer
[03:15] <vfw> tomreyn: Sorry for the confusion ;)
[03:15] <tomreyn> vfw: well thanks for sharing :)
[03:15] <multi_io> ubottu: hm ok
[03:15]  * multi_io switches to 17.10
[03:16] <tomreyn> V7: so enp8s0f0 does not have a cable connected - "NO-CARRIER" and enp8s0f1 does but is not configured.
[03:17] <V7> Hm
[03:17] <tomreyn> V7: however, the dhclient is trying to configure enp8s0f0
[03:18] <marcoscosmos> What the frick. How and why am I now in gnome-shell
[03:18] <vfw> tomreyn: It seems that enp8s0f0 and enp8s0f1 show same errors
[03:18] <tomreyn> V7: how do you manage the network configuration on this system? in /etc/network/interfaces, via netplan, or via netwokr manager?
[03:18] <Guest355> Hello it's me again. The problem is the nvidia drivers. Uninstalling them and rebooting, everything was working fine on OSS driver. I added the nvidia drivers, bad again
[03:18] <marcoscosmos> I reinstall the nvidia drivers and now my default se
[03:18] <marcoscosmos> OH NVM
[03:18] <V7> tomreyn, it's ubuntu server and I didn't manager any configurations in this service
[03:18] <V7> s/smanager/manage *
[03:18] <marcoscosmos> I'm still stuck in low graphics mode though
[03:19] <marcoscosmos> I guess I'll try the novueau drivers..
[03:19] <tomreyn> V7: did you say which ubuntu release this is? sorry, if so.
[03:19] <vfw> marcoscosmos: You may need to just download Nvidia drivers direct from nvidia.com
[03:19] <Guest355> vfw: I will do that as well haha
[03:19] <vfw> marcoscosmos: Or stick with OSS
[03:19] <tatertots> marcoscosmos: wow still dealing with that eh?
[03:19] <V7> So ... it's strange. It was working before. It was connected to router and router showed two ip's One for BMS and other for OS. Now it shows only BMC's which one works now and I'm controlling system through it, but OS doesn't want to connect to server or what's going on then ) ?
[03:20] <marcoscosmos> tatertots: Yeah -_-
[03:20] <V7> tomreyn, Nope, I didn't. Btw it's Ubuntu Server 16.04.3
[03:20] <marcoscosmos> vfw: I suppose. The nouveau drivers just aren't performant enough to run steam games without throttling (regardless of quality settings), not last I checked.
[03:20] <marcoscosmos> I'll see if they work anyway
[03:21] <tomreyn> V7: ok, so we can rule out netplan. when you say "It seems that enp8s0f0 and enp8s0f1 show same errors", where do you see  errors for enp8s0f1? i have not seen those, yet
[03:22] <vfw> V7: vbox
[03:22] <V7> vfw, Said that. Btw vfw where you've seen those ?
[03:22] <vfw> V7: vbox ?
[03:22] <V7> What do you mean vfw ?
[03:22] <vfw> V7: Are you running a virtual machine?
[03:23] <vfw> !info vbox
[03:23] <V7> vfw, Nope. This's machine.
[03:23] <Sveta> it's virtualbox
[03:23] <vfw> !info virtualbox
[03:23] <tomreyn> V7: sorry, you're right, vfw is who said "It seems that enp8s0f0 and enp8s0f1 show same errors"
[03:24] <tomreyn> vfw: what made you think V7's enp8s0f1 interface shows errors?
[03:25] <vfw> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/D5G7bAe.png  and https://i.imgur.com/AeYgUI6.png
[03:25] <tomreyn> vfw: thanks
[03:26] <tomreyn> V7: do you see ip addresses in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[03:26] <vfw> tomreyn: I'm good on the issues, just no good on the fix
[03:26] <tomreyn> vfw: :)
[03:27] <marcoscosmos> okay nouveau doesn't work either it's not drivers
[03:28] <V7> tomreyn, https://i.imgur.com/QE0O8WV.png
[03:28] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: if you are currently trying to get nourveau to work you may need to edit the grub configuration and remove nomodeset (if it's currently configured there). check the output of: cat /proc/cmdline
[03:28] <vfw> marcoscosmos: what do you mean nouveau doesn't work either?
[03:29] <tomreyn> V7: is there also something about enp8s0f1 in there?
[03:30] <tomreyn> V7: and if not there, then maybe in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
[03:30] <V7> tomreyn, I've sent you the whole /etc/network/interfaces file
[03:30] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-26-generic root=UUID=55887564-1185-4ce0-b345-5edd9947cf86 ro; vfw: doesn't work either. there were a bunch of other failed in the boot terminal stream that were too fast to read actually
[03:31] <V7> tomreyn, https://i.imgur.com/F1n7vhL.png
[03:32] <tomreyn> V7: thanks. cna we see the output of: ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/
[03:33] <V7> tomreyn, that's some example of scheme how it looks like: https://i.imgur.com/5ktslPD.png
[03:33] <V7> Also it's connected through *one* cable
[03:33] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: okay, you can ignore what i said about nomodeset then.
[03:34] <V7> And it was connected through one cable before
[03:34] <V7> tomreyn, total: 0
[03:34] <V7> total 0 *
[03:34] <tomreyn> V7: is it possible that you moved the cable from one port to the other?
[03:35] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: figured ;); lightdm is definitely failing to start.
[03:35] <V7> tomreyn, Could be that someone moved it, but how we can check that ?
[03:35] <marcoscosmos> with result 'exit-code', informatively -.-
[03:35] <V7> Also it was wokring about ~3 hours ago
[03:35] <V7> s/wokring/working
[03:36] <tomreyn> V7: no need, but this would have explained it. i suggest you just edit /etc/network/interfaces, replacing all occurrences of enp8s0f0 by enp8s0f1
[03:37] <V7> tomreyn, So now ifconfig shows two ethernet interfaces
[03:38] <V7> tomreyn, https://i.imgur.com/3XakTDk.png
[03:38] <tomreyn> V7: since i don't know what ifconfig showed bfore that's semi helpful
[03:39] <V7> tomreyn, it was showing only enp8s0f0 an lo
[03:39] <tomreyn> V7: but if you now run "ifdown enp8s0f0; ifup enp8s0f1" then hopefully you'll get a link, as indicated by 'ip link'
[03:40] <vfw> V7: dhcpcd enp8s0f1
[03:40] <tomreyn> (i.e. please run this)
[03:40] <vfw> or dhclient ?
[03:40] <marcoscosmos> tomreyn: any ideas left?
[03:40] <tomreyn> vfw: dhclient, and it should be automatic
[03:40] <Guest355> Bashing-om: I saw your post last week on the forums about the nvidia drivers, I'm giving that a go
[03:41] <vfw> V7: dhclient enp8s0f1 && ip link
[03:41] <Bashing-om> Guest355: reference ?
[03:41] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: hmm, not really without logs.
[03:42] <Guest355> Bashing-om: I'm followed the instructions you gave me a few minutes ago to uninstall the nvidia drivers and reinstall them. They still don't work
[03:42] <marcoscosmos> which logs do you want me to paste?
[03:43] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: the ones which were written last time you tried to boot using the configuration you want to get working (and which failed)
[03:43] <V7> tomreyn, waits
[03:43] <V7> Might be dhcp timeout
[03:43] <tomreyn> V7: on which of these commands?
[03:43] <V7> on dhclient nic
[03:43] <Guest355> Bashing-om: brb
[03:43] <tomreyn> V7: you can cancel and run them again one by one
[03:44] <tomreyn> V7: it should never take smore than a second or two
[03:44] <vfw> V7: ifconfig enp8s0f1 192.168.88.99 && ifconfig
[03:44] <marcoscosmos> well, the current logs have the current issue I'm having
[03:44] <tomreyn> V7: it seems that vfw wishes to guide you, i don't mind passing over to him
[03:44] <marcoscosmos> so log/syslog?
[03:45] <vfw> tomreyn: NO, you go...
[03:45] <V7> tomreyn, vfw https://i.imgur.com/8TNVeNg.png
[03:45] <V7> This's dhclient -v nic
[03:45] <vfw> tomreyn: I would just test to see ...
[03:46] <tomreyn> V7: i say reset the BMC (as in: reboot it, not a vendor reset), then do an OS reboot. then post ip link; ip a
[03:47] <V7> Yeah, I had an idea that bmc didn't configured there something on boot
[03:47] <Guest355> Okay so installing nvidia drivers from the ppa didn't fix it. Not sure why nvidia drivers don't want to work after upgrading to artful
[03:48] <Guest355> I tried running nvidia-settings and it says "ERROR: NVIDIA driver is not loaded" as well as "Xlib: extention 'GLX' missing on display"
[03:48] <tomreyn> V7: BMC reboot since my understanding is that BMC and Host OS share the same NIC and ethernet cable (an ugly configuration if you ask me), which could cause things to go wrong from both ends.
[03:48] <V7> tomreyn, it was working all these days mb, just now
[03:49] <vfw> Guest355: You would have to reboot after installing Nvidia driver
[03:49] <Guest355> vfw: I did
[03:49] <petterr> i cannot find the keyboard settings to change shortcuts....
[03:49] <tomreyn> V7: yes, but you rebooted in between, applying changes made since the previous reboot, which may have been long ago.
[03:49] <Bashing-om> Guest355: what shows ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' ?
[03:49] <petterr> i just upgraded and it changed my shortcuts but now ш сфттще аштв
[03:49] <vfw> Guest355: Then the driver you got from the ppa is more-than-likely broken.  You will need to download and install Nvidia driver from nvidia.com
[03:50] <Guest355> Bashing-om: x11. Not wayland
[03:50] <V7> tomreyn, No, it has been reconfigured physically so it has no power and battery about 3 hours or more, after that it was working too
[03:50] <Guest355> vfw: I tried that but the install failed because it said the distrobution's pre-install script failed as well as the fact that I'm missing linux headers (I'm not). So I gave up on it and tried the PPA
[03:50] <V7> tomreyn, Do you know what's cold or warm bmc's resets ?
[03:51] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: sorry, i didnt follow up... i'm getting really tired now, so i'm afraid i cannot help debugging this now, we could try in 10+ hours, though.
[03:51] <petterr> ubuntu sucks
[03:51] <tomreyn> V7: okay, that's information i did not have previously.
[03:51] <Bashing-om> Guest355: Let's see what the gpu-manager has to say ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' in a pastebin .
[03:52] <ferretsatsuma> The Ubuntu Core for Nano Pi Neo 2 seems to be missing the ‘dm-crypt’ modules from the kernel modules directory. Is there a HOWTO somewhere on rebuilding the Ubuntu Core kernel from sources & tweaking the Makefile/config file to make it create the dm-crypt module, perhaps?
[03:52] <marcoscosmos> Noted. Fair enough. I'd prefer not to be stuck on windows for 10 hours. the kubuntu iso is now only taking an hour to download so I might just wipe and reinstall
[03:52] <V7> Also there's hard bmc reset
[03:52] <V7> So now I'm chooseing between these
[03:52] <tomreyn> V7: about cold/warm reboot: yes. i'd do a cold one, full initialization (based on your configuration, not vendor presets).
[03:52] <Guest355> Bashing-om: Way ahead of you https://pastebin.com/JG83cE6d
[03:52] <marcoscosmos> and hope that I didn't forget about any game files etc
[03:52] <vfw> Guest355: sudo apt install build-essential
[03:52] <Guest355> vfw: Already installed
[03:53] <tomreyn> V7: hard reset will be vendor default reset, you dont want this
[03:53] <vfw> Guest355: But if you download and isntall from nvidia.com, you will have to re-install after each kernel upgrade.
[03:53] <Guest355> vfw: Yeah, which is another reason I didn't want to use it if I could get the Ubuntu one working
[03:55] <vfw> Guest355: lspci |nc termbin.com 9999
[03:55] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: do you have your home directory on a seperate files system? i.e. does 'df -h' list /home ?
[03:55] <Bashing-om> Guest355: Well ! " Is nvidia loaded? no --- nouveau loaded? no " . what shows ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[03:55] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: if so, then you can install 16.04 easily.
[03:56] <Guest355> vfw: http://termbin.com/djh1
[03:56] <marcoscosmos> No but I have parts of my home stuff symlinked out to a HDD. I plan on pushing the whole of home onto the external HDD in my next install
[03:56] <Guest355> Bashing-om: nvidia 390, opencl-icd, prime installed
[03:57] <vfw> Guest355: 17.10?
[03:57] <Guest355> Bashing-om: All of this seems exactly like your forum post, except the PPA didn't fix it :(
[03:57] <Guest355> vfw: yep
[03:57] <marcoscosmos> currently it's just local game saves and some other dotfiles that I'll lose. more important dotfiles I have backed up on git. tomreyn
[03:57] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: oh i see. well then you'll need to make sure you don't miss thing, right. this gives you a rough idea of which packages you installed manually (it's not perfect, but gets close): comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)
[03:58] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: okay this sounds like you know how to get along well ;)
[03:58] <marcoscosmos> oh great. that'll come in handy, I was planning on writing myself a reinstall script since this seems to be a common scenario now
[03:59] <marcoscosmos> thanks c:
[03:59] <vfw> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/83686/en-us
[03:59] <vfw> Guest355: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[03:59] <Guest355> vfw: ?
[04:00] <Bashing-om> Guest355:  - linux-headers-generic linux-image-4.13.0-26-generic linux-image-extra-4.13.0-26-generic installed ? And is secure boot disabled in bios ?
[04:00] <vfw> Guest355: Are you getting the right driver / version?
[04:00] <Guest355> vfw: yes that was the version I tried
[04:00] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: welcome :)  you can use 'preseeding' to automate a custom installation btw.
[04:00] <marcoscosmos> oh? neat
[04:01] <marcoscosmos> Some packages I'll need to install from source. But, most I should be able to preseed
[04:01] <Guest355> Bashing-om: Yes those are all installed. And I'm not sure if Secure Boot is disabled. I'm pretty sure it is since I've been running Ubuntu with no problems for 12 months
[04:01] <tomreyn> marcoscosmos: it involves a good bit of work, though, not neccessarily worth it for a single system. but it can be, if you like the idea of a reproducible configuration,
[04:02] <Guest355> vfw: actually I just noticed you linked a different driver version. You linked 346 and I had downloaded 384. Why 346?
[04:02] <tomreyn> V7: how are you coming there?
[04:03] <V7> What do you mean ?
[04:03] <marcoscosmos> Yeah I do. I haven't managed to settle my installation yet and I've been at it for like a month. I'm also inclined to doing a small amount of unsupported things like apt pinning, so, it'd be good be able to hit reset
[04:03] <tomreyn> V7: you wanted to choose between BMC reboot options
[04:03] <V7> Yeah, so now I'm trying to reset it
[04:03] <V7> Web based console doesn't seem to be able to do that mb
[04:04] <tomreyn> V7: which server model is this?
[04:04] <V7> So now I'm trying to conenctto ipmi, but I can't somehow
[04:04] <V7> tomreyn, GT350-F1
[04:04] <tomreyn> V7: oh a supermicro then i guess
[04:04] <V7> yup
[04:05] <tomreyn> ipmicfg -nm reset
[04:06] <tomreyn> "ipmitool mc reset cold" would probably suffice, though
[04:07] <V7> In OS or in BMC's shell ?
[04:07] <vfw>  marcoscosmos: So this is a fairly new install?
[04:07] <tomreyn> V7: those are form the host OS. but if you have shell access to the bmc that's probably better. i don't remember the commands then, though
[04:08] <V7> I'm in
[04:08] <V7> https://i.imgur.com/H6qOaxp.png
[04:08] <marcoscosmos> the 2nd or 3rd this month, vfw, but technically an upgrade from xenial. For pretty much the entirety of last year I was using Arch. I'm still getting used to ubuntu I guess.
[04:08] <V7> There're 5 commands
[04:08] <V7> https://i.imgur.com/IWzCapE.png
[04:09] <V7> ipmitool command not support now.
[04:09] <V7> It said
[04:09] <tomreyn> V7: cd mc
[04:09] <V7> Invalid Targets!.
[04:09] <vfw> marcoscosmos: So you've jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
[04:10] <tomreyn> V7 show
[04:10] <V7> there's system1
[04:10] <marcoscosmos> vfw: pretty much.
[04:10] <tomreyn> V7: just that?
[04:10] <V7> So now
[04:10] <V7> https://i.imgur.com/Z9Mu424.png
[04:11] <tomreyn> hmm i think that's the wrong target
[04:11] <V7> https://i.imgur.com/eqqrQNn.png
[04:11] <marcoscosmos> I ran into a string of issues with arch for university study related stuff. So I figured I should move to the most targeted distro in preperation for the coming semester. Hopefully I'm through the learning curve in a month's time
[04:11] <vfw> marcoscosmos: I'm pretty happy with my Arch boxen
[04:12] <marcoscosmos> vfw: I was very happy with arch. For personal use, I'd prefer it
[04:12] <vfw> marcoscosmos: What issues in particular?
[04:12] <marcoscosmos> Plus I'm a fan of TWMs and I've gotten attached to a bunch of DE-packages from the arch community
[04:13] <vfw> marcoscosmos: I've been running my mythtv box on arch for going on 3 years now...
[04:13] <marcoscosmos> It was all niche software (but not corelated) I was trying to run for an AI research course
[04:14] <Sveta> marcoscosmos: you already repaired your install right ?
[04:14] <marcoscosmos> Uh, the main one I remember is trying to install an autodated project which had a customised version of an outdated Caffe and another library. I basically would have needed an old compiler.
[04:14] <marcoscosmos> Sveta: nope.
[04:15] <Sveta> what is the latest status of that ?
[04:15] <marcoscosmos> still stuck in low graphics mode, but can boot
[04:15] <marcoscosmos> no clue why
[04:15] <Sveta> pastebin `lspci -vmmnn` ?
[04:16] <Sveta> i would like to find out what video card you're using by supplying this command output to the text box at the bottom of https://h-node.org/search/form/en
[04:16] <vfw> Sveta: He has GeForce GTX 950
[04:17] <Sveta> yes, but their non-lspci search is a bit bad, so i prefer to paste that command output
[04:17] <vfw> marcoscosmos: lspci -vmmnn |nc termbin.com 9999
[04:17] <Sveta> if that's https://h-node.org/videocards/view/en/1830/NVIDIA-Corporation-GM107M--GeForce-GTX-950M---rev-a2- then nouveau should work with it
[04:17] <tomreyn> V7: it doesn't seem to be possible via the console.
[04:18] <V7> Yeah we need ipmi
[04:18] <V7> So how is it possible to connect to ipmi through internet ?
[04:18] <Sveta> marcoscosmos: do you have nvidia driver or nouveau driver ?
[04:18] <V7> I can open ports but which ?
[04:18] <marcoscosmos> Sveta: I've tried both now
[04:18] <V7> Already opened 623
[04:19] <marcoscosmos> http://termbin.com/fhgy
[04:19] <Sveta> marcoscosmos: you could describe symptoms to #nvidia and #nouveau and stay online for a few hours in each until you get a response.  what are the symptoms with nouveau?
[04:20] <marcoscosmos> vfw: see previous post for the paste
[04:20] <Sveta> it says `GK104 [GeForce GTX 770] `
[04:21] <marcoscosmos> Sveta: eh, I'm just as happy to do a reinstall. I'd actually like to switch back to arch linux if I'm honest.
[04:21] <tomreyn> V7: 623 UDP is for ipmi, 623 tcp for virtual media mounting, 5900 for the remote console when started via web interface (or ukvm)
[04:21] <tomreyn> 5900 TCP that is
[04:22] <tomreyn> so i guess oyu only need 623 UDP, maybe 5900, not sure.
[04:23] <V7> Rpger that
[04:23] <V7> Roger *
[04:23] <V7> Works !
[04:23] <V7> udp was missed
[04:23] <V7> I thought that only tcp was needed
[04:23] <V7> So ipmi has bmc reset button
[04:24] <tomreyn> V7: 623 is udp only, not tcp
[04:24] <tomreyn> V7: push the button
[04:24] <vfw> Sveta: That's interesting. We see GeForce GTX 770, AND, Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[04:26] <V7> Pressed cold reset
[04:31] <V7> MBC connection already exists
[04:31] <V7> BMC *
[04:31] <V7> Trying to restart OS and connect to dhcp server
[04:31] <tomreyn> ok
[04:33] <V7> uh tomreyn The same
[04:33] <V7> https://i.imgur.com/3UHCpiz.png
[04:34] <V7> It looks like something with cable could it be ?
[04:34] <V7> Btw then how I'm communicating with it via ikvm ?
[04:34] <marcoscosmos> vfw: I think you meant to ping me
[04:34] <tomreyn> V7: :-/  on a side note, you may want to familiarize yourself with the SOL 'serial on lan' access the ipmi ssh console provides. this way oyu can get a textual OOB access to the host system without networking, niot just graphical.
[04:35] <tomreyn> V7: the ipmi uses different ip address configurations, so it can be online while the host doesn't make it.
[04:36] <V7> tomreyn, I know so that how I'm connected now
[04:36] <V7> So isn't sol only in local ?
[04:37] <V7> I'm trying to, but it's tried to connect to local address rather than hostname ( wan )
[04:38] <tomreyn> there are two ways to get the OOB chip connected, https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/ASPEED_AST2400_IPMI_Chip_with_ATEN-Software
[04:38] <tomreyn> the two images on the right hand side. i think you're using the 'share' mode
[04:39] <V7> tomreyn, look
[04:39] <tomreyn> i recommend using the dedicated mode
[04:39] <V7> What's the configuration whouls be in network in ipmi ?
[04:39] <V7> Shared or failover ?
[04:39] <V7> or dedicate ?
[04:39] <V7> shared isn't it ?
[04:39] <vfw> !viarualbox | marcoscosmos
[04:40] <vfw> !viarualbox > marcoscosmos
[04:40] <tomreyn> V7: i assume you are using shared. i suggest using dedicated. but dont change this now.
[04:40] <vfw> !info viarualbox > marcoscosmos
[04:40] <V7> tomreyn, look
[04:40] <tomreyn> V7: it will just complicate matters.
[04:40] <V7> I have failover set now
[04:40] <V7> Maybe this's the case of problem
[04:44] <tomreyn> V7: maybe the mikortik router is configured to only do dhcp for a specific MAC address?
[04:45] <V7> tomreyn, It was, but not now. I've removed these options now
[04:45] <tomreyn> V7: also, can you show 'ip link' again
[04:46] <V7> https://i.imgur.com/dewxCfb.png
[04:48] <tomreyn> V7: okay this looks like before. first iunterface is unconnected (no cable), second is down.
[04:48] <V7> I've changed failover to shared
[04:49] <tomreyn> V7: does this change the ip link output? propbably not?
[04:49] <V7> Connection dissapeared
[04:49] <tomreyn> V7: which connection disappeared?
[04:50] <V7> ipmi
[04:50] <V7> (bmc)
[04:50] <tomreyn> oh you lost connection to the bmc?
[04:50] <V7> yup
[04:50] <V7> After changing to shared
[04:50] <tomreyn> but you can reconnect?
[04:51] <V7> idk mikrotik doesn't show any dhcl lease
[04:51] <V7> dhcp lease for it yt
[04:51] <V7> yet
[04:51] <tomreyn> uh oh.
[04:51] <V7> So might be that it was conencted to LAN2 ?
[04:51] <V7> So now it's shared and there's no connection cause of that ?
[04:53] <tomreyn> i dont really know :-/
[04:53] <V7> "first iunterface is unconnected (no cable), second is down."
[04:53] <V7> So could that mean that LAN2 had noe cable ?
[04:53] <V7> no *
[04:54] <V7> Is that LAN1 ~ enp8sf0 ? LAN ~ enp8sf1 ?
[04:54] <tomreyn> i assume LAN1 is left, LAN2 is right: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wikiDE/images/3/3c/X8DTL-3F-IPMI-ATEN-mode-share-en.png
[04:54] <V7> tomreyn, This's GT350 f1
[04:54] <V7> http://www.itinstock.com/ekmps/shops/itinstock/images/Gateway-GT350-G1-Quad-Core-E5506-2.13Ghz-6Gb-4-x-500Gb-RAID-Tower-Server-[1]-4802-p.jpg
[04:55] <tomreyn> shared would be that BMC is connected to LAN1. in which case, the host OS wuold also see something plugged into LAN1.
[04:55] <tomreyn> this was not the case, so i guess you ahve the BMC dedicated.
[04:55] <tomreyn> in the extra port to the left
[04:55] <V7> So if there's no conenction then cable is in lan2 ?
[04:56] <tomreyn> and i think that the OS is connected via LAN2
[04:56] <tomreyn> i could not tell by this image, it's too small
[04:57] <tomreyn> probably LAN2 = bottom, LAN1 above it, and BMC topmost
[04:58] <tomreyn> we're well off topic here ;)
[04:58] <tomreyn> and i should get some sleep soon
[04:58] <V7> Roger that tomreyn
[04:58] <tomreyn> do you see a chance of getting it back online now?
[04:58] <V7> Btw thank you very much really
[04:59] <V7> tomreyn, nah ... I think it needs to be manually changed from LAN2 to LAN1 now
[04:59] <tomreyn> :-/ possibly
[04:59] <V7> So OS is only on LAN1 always by deafauly ?
[04:59] <V7> default *
[05:00] <tomreyn> no
[05:00] <tomreyn> but you had it configured this way
[05:00] <tomreyn> we changed it to be LAN2 only
[05:00] <V7> Where ?
[05:00] <V7> I didn't change this setting
[05:00] <tomreyn> in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:00] <V7> oh.
[05:00] <V7> So I've changed it after reboot
[05:00] <tomreyn> that is assuming LAN" = enp8sf1
[05:01] <tomreyn> that is assuming LAN2 = enp8sf1
[05:01] <V7> back to f0
[05:01] <tomreyn> and LAN1= enp8sf0
[05:01] <tomreyn> i'm only guessing, though
[05:01] <V7> oh
[05:01] <tomreyn> you should be able to tell when you check the cabling on site
[05:01] <V7> yup
[05:02] <tomreyn> and the mac's on the nic's of mikrotik and the OS
[05:02] <oreo_minis> So... I completely forgot that copying files to my external drive was going to chmod 777 everything. How do I undo that mess? I completely forgot how I did it last time and my Google-fu is piss poor, at best.
[05:02] <V7> Btw ... really. Thank you very much fro trying tomreyn ... you're relly in that ;)
[05:02] <tomreyn> V7: well i didnt save you, i made things worse, sorry about that.
[05:02] <tomreyn> V7: it was fun though ;)
[05:02] <V7> Btw is it okay to set static dhcp lease for those ?
[05:03] <V7> tomreyn, You didn't
[05:03] <V7> You've not told me to change mbc to shared
[05:03] <V7> It's me so )
[05:04] <tomreyn> V7: sure, you can set dhcp static lease
[05:04] <tomreyn> true ;)
[05:05] <V7> tomreyn, I've tried, but after that mikrotik told that dhcp expire time is ~30 seconds and I've not been able to connect to bmc so
[05:05] <tomreyn> oreo_minis: you chmod them again. it happens not because this is anexternal drive, but because your external drive uses a file system which does not support storing these details. probably FAT or NTFS.
[05:05] <V7> For exatly this lease
[05:08] <V7> Btw good night there tomreyn, really, thank you )
[05:08] <oreo_minis> tomreyn: OK. I'll get to work.
[05:08] <tomreyn> V7: before i leave, let's make sure we mean the same thing when discussing 'static lease', can you explain what you meanby it?
[05:09] <tomreyn> oreo_minis: it won't work while the files reside on the external drive / on the same file system they are on now.
[05:09] <V7> By that I mean to set ( reserve ) some local ip address for MAC address so after reconnect it'll be the same
[05:10] <tomreyn> V7: okay static ip address assignment via DHCP
[05:10] <oreo_minis> tomreyn: Oh, they're already back. I was just doing a fresh install because I embarrassingly forgot that 17.04 hit EoL.
[05:10] <tomreyn> oreo_minis: you could also !eolupgrade
[05:10] <oreo_minis> I wanted to get rid of some crap I had done anyway. :)
[05:10] <tomreyn> V7: yes that's a good thing to do.
[05:10] <V7> tomreyn, Yup, so after setting this one, it just disconnects and then dhcp lease expire time sets to ~30 seconds and no connection
[05:11] <V7> This's strange though
[05:11] <tomreyn> V7: 30s is default, that'snormal. that it doesn't provide a lease is a problem, though.
[05:12] <tomreyn> V7: maybe you have not configured the ip address mac address pairing in the router.
[05:12] <V7> tomreyn, Yup, but mikrotik is set to give 5 miutes without static and 10 minutes for statics
[05:12] <V7> tomreyn, it was set mb
[05:12] <tomreyn> V7: that's once a leave was obtained, yes
[05:12] <tomreyn> *lease
[05:13] <V7> Are you here frequently ?
[05:13] <V7> I hope I'll catch you here if'd permit me ofc to tell you if it was successful
[05:14] <V7> you'd permit *
[05:14] <tomreyn> oreo_minis: i see. well good luck. check the chmod manual for -R (recursive operation), and search the web for how you can combine this (chmod -R) with the 'find' command to operate on both files and directories recursively - fixing the entire directory tree with one command.
[05:14] <tomreyn> V7: i'm here mostly on weekends, but not always.
[05:15] <tomreyn> see you soon
[05:15]  * tomreyn will remain connected but is AFK
[05:19] <oreo_minis> tomreyn: Yeah, I had to find out that it was -R not -r. Silly me.
[05:27] <untoreh> on ubuntu doing CC=musl-gcc go build ... complains about undefined reference to `__fprintf_chk`
[05:30] <johnhuang> what is this
[05:44] <glitchd> is there a way to configure thunar to show a dvd drive when its empty?
[05:51] <tertle-> when does 18.04 come out?
[06:02] <Ben64> tertle-: 18.04 refers to the year and month it will be released, so April 2018
[06:08] <tertle-> i see
[06:08] <tertle-> im glad they dropped mir or whatever
[06:32] <Guest745> abematv
[06:32] <Guest745> abematv
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> Guest745: can we help you
[06:33] <Guest745> abematv
[06:44] <Scytale> trying out the VLC Snap, is it possible to open video files outside home? atm i get only errors trying to open files on different HDD
[06:46] <tatertots> Scytale: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[06:46] <Scytale> yes
[06:47] <tatertots> Scytale: open terminal
[06:47] <tatertots> Scytale: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[06:47] <tatertots> Scytale: let me know when done.
[06:48] <Scytale> was already installed
[06:48] <tatertots> Scytale: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[06:48] <tatertots> Scytale: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link..say so
[06:49] <Scytale> tatertots: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26421233/
[06:50] <tatertots> Scytale: journalctl -p 3|pastebinit
[06:50] <tatertots> Scytale: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link..say so
[06:51] <Scytale> tatertos: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26421239/
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> tatertots: how is inxi relevant for a vlc snap issue?
[06:52] <Scytale> i am asking this question to myself
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> Scytale: what kind of error does vlc give you?
[06:52] <Scytale> maybe just a issue with permissions where to read files?
[06:53] <Scytale> Your input can't be opened:
[06:53] <Scytale> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'file:///mnt/Daten/Videos/DragonBall/%5B1-13%5D%20Pilaf%20Saga/013%20-%20Neue%20Wege.avi'. Check the log for details.
[06:53] <tatertots> Scytale: did your symptom(s) or error occur in between the following time Sat 2018-01-20 07:02:38 CET, end at Sat 2018-01-20 07:48:50 CET ? yes or no
[06:53] <Scytale> no, it was always this way. Copying the same file somewhere in /home starts normal playback
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> Scytale: are yo logged as admin
[06:54] <tatertots> lotuspsychje: you think his video files that don't play might be on one of the "partitions" shown here????   huh???   https://paste.ubuntu.com/26421233/
[06:55] <tatertots> lotuspsychje: the error message says "verbatim" check the "logs".....https://paste.ubuntu.com/26421239/
[06:55] <tatertots> lotuspsychje: I think i should be asking you how YOU questioning ME is "relevant".
[06:56] <Scytale> yes, logged in as admin
[06:57] <tatertots> lotuspsychje: i mean feel free to question me...but when i back my hypothesis up with info directly from the system/kernel and you just shoot from the hip.....
[06:58] <tatertots> remind me how you questioning me is helping this dude....but i'm going to let you two gentlemen figure it out since you're obviously so smart
[07:00] <Scytale> Nontheless thank you for your time and effort, tatertos. Appreciate it.
[07:00] <Thaelim> hey guys. keep getting this error while trying to install wine: sudo apt-get update
[07:00] <Thaelim> Err:1 https://d1.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu trusty InRelease
[07:00] <Thaelim>   Could not resolve 'd1.winehq.org'
[07:00] <Thaelim> Hit:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful InRelease
[07:00] <Thaelim> Hit:3 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-security InRelease
[07:00] <Thaelim> Hit:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-updates InRelease
[07:02] <DalekSec> Trusty winehq but artful other repos? :)
[07:02] <Thaelim> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26421268/ - i get this when i try to apt-get update after installing wine repository and following this, generally: https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu  is it down or what am i doing wrong?
[07:02] <shanu> Needed help in solving a problem I am facing since morning. I upgraded to ubuntu 17.10 and since then, I am unable to log into various websites like amazon. Some other sites like netflix do not open at all.
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> tatertots: feel free to discuss is in #ubuntu-discuss
[07:03] <tatertots> in
[07:03] <tatertots> it
[07:05] <Thaelim> @DalekSec are you saying that artful shouldn't be with trusty? still new to this
[07:06] <DalekSec> Thaelim: You'd want  'deb http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ artful main'
[07:07] <Thaelim> ohhhhh
[07:08] <Thaelim> that's because i accidently grabbed the one meant for mint
[07:08] <Thaelim> i see
[07:08] <anthonysalamanca> Patriots78
[07:11] <tatertots> lotuspsychje: out of curiosity, are you a mod/op and i did something over and above the average mod/op system admin/eng skill level and warranted "investigation"?
[07:11] <dax> tatertots: he isn't.
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> tatertots: lets not discuss it here
[07:11] <dax> tatertots: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list, to see who is
[07:13] <Olanzapin> Hello! I'm running Ubuntu 17.10. I can't get gnome shell extensions to work. I have been copying to gnome-shell. Gnome-tweak-tool does not show any extensions[3~
[07:14] <Thaelim> thanks dalek got it figured out now
[07:14] <Thaelim> ;D
[07:17] <DalekSec> Alrighty.
[07:20] <tatertots> dax: thanks..i didn't know that...i'm not irc savvy
[07:26] <sobersabre> hi, what is the location of ubuntu zesty packages now? I don't see it in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists
[07:27] <sobersabre> I would like to update to 17.10, but I'm on 17.04 now.
[07:33] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | sobersabre
[07:43] <sobersabre> EriC^^: I managed, thanks.
[07:43] <EriC^^> sobersabre: no problem
[07:44] <sobersabre> thanks!
[07:47] <MarkB2> Hello.  I'm trying to install maven into Ubuntu 17.10 .  The package is available from launchpad but fails installation with a long long java stack trace on a module named "jetty9".  My next attempt was to download jetty9 source using apt-get source jetty9 and building from there.  That failed with an ominous message:  "Some files do not have the expected license header"  Does maven need jetty9?
[07:49] <EriC^^> !info maven
[07:49] <EriC^^> MarkB2: install mazen from the repos
[07:49] <MarkB2> "mazen" ??
[07:50] <EriC^^> maven
[07:50] <MarkB2> Sorry... nearly 3 AM here.  I did do that... but the install fails with the jetty9 dependency.
[07:51] <EriC^^> type 'apt-cache policy maven jetty9' and pastebin the results
[07:51] <MarkB2> Sir, you are a breath of fresh air.  Thank you.  Working...
[07:51] <EriC^^> MarkB2: great, no problem
[07:52] <MarkB2> !info pastebin
  Which pastebin to use...?
[07:54] <MarkB2> https://pastebin.com/SB3kgg0A
[07:58] <senaps> so im getting a disk error on boot, i can't boot using a live cd. i think my laptop is dead. i need my hard disk, i used a convert cable to stick it as a external hard to another laptop(fedora thing), it identifies the hard disk, gives me the sdb1-6, but can't mount them. is there any way around it?
[08:01] <MarkB2> Eric^^ : The jetty9 build seems to fail because its missing licenses.
[08:06] <dolapevich> Hello there. I have a requirement to run a certain process when system is idle. ¿Any idea on how to do it without hacking around uptime output?
[08:07] <tatertots> senaps: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[08:08] <senaps> tatertots no, im on another machine. that machine doesn't even boot.
[08:09] <tatertots> senaps: oh yeah...possible "hardware" eh?
[08:09] <AntiSol> Hi. I cannot make my laptop honour the CPU governor I'm setting. I want it to stay in performance mode all the time, but sometimes the speed drops dramatically. When I notice this if I look at the CPU speed I'm seeing speeds like 300Mhz. The machine has an intel processor and used the intel-pstate driver by default. I have disabled this since I wasn't able to make it do what I want. It's more reliable than it was but still it
[08:09] <AntiSol> drops to low speed every now and then. I've tried about a million things. I'm pretty sure it's not any daemon running or anything like that - I have disabled thermald. Any thoughts?
[08:09] <senaps> thats hardware, and my laptop machine is dead, or isn't worth spending on fixing! im worried about my hard drive. i can see it on another machine, but can't mount it. is it dead too?
[08:10] <tatertots> senaps: well i hear you can't even eliminate the "internal" hard disk via process of elimination, and cannot even successfully boot a LiveCD/LiveUSB.
[08:11] <tatertots> senaps: that means even if you "physically" removed the "internal" disk drive, you'd still not have a computer that boots "successfully".
[08:12] <senaps> yup, i'd have to buy another machine. but what about the hard disk?
[08:12] <tatertots> senaps: also suggests the "internal" hard disk may NOT be your only "physical" "hardware" problem.
[08:13] <dolapevich> AntiSol: Bios can limit the speed of the cpu too. If it gets too hot it will lower the freqs at which the cpu can run. Check the thresholds with cpufreq-info
[08:13] <tatertots> senaps: so you have this drive connected via external usb?
[08:13] <senaps> i have all my wedding and 7-8 month of fun life pictures in this hard. i always tell other people how silly they are to not have backup drives, and here i am. not having a backup.
[08:13] <tatertots> senaps: does the computer have internet? yes or no
[08:13] <senaps> yes i connected it via external usb.
[08:13] <senaps> yes it has.
[08:13] <tatertots> senaps: open terminal
[08:14] <senaps> i don't have it yet. ishould go back home to use it. what should i type? or do you want me to paste a result of a command?
[08:15] <tatertots> senaps: i'm going to give you two instructions to accomplish the same 1 objective, I expect 1of2 to produce an error, i expect 2of2 to accomplish the objective....do you understand? yes or no
[08:15] <senaps> yes
[08:15] <senaps> what are the instructions?
[08:15] <tatertots> senaps: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[08:15] <tatertots> senaps: let me know when done
[08:15] <MarkB2> Eric^^: been digging through logs.  /usr/share/jetty9/logs/2018_01_20.stderrout.log contains complaints .. probably the worse one is "Address already in use".  So something else has already seized an address.
[08:16] <AntiSol> dolapevich: Thanks. What am I looking for in the output of cpufreq-info?
[08:16] <senaps> tatertots will, i don't have my machine and hard drive right now, id have to paste the problem later. if you just could tell me what to look for.
[08:17] <tatertots> senaps: ah i understand, we cannot "operate" or perform "procedure" in "realtime".
[08:18] <senaps> tatertots, so, what command you wanted me to paste the results of?
[08:18] <AntiSol> dolapevich: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26421549/
[08:33] <AntiSol> ...anybody?
[08:36] <el_putin> nope
[08:54] <shanu_> Needed help in fixing a problem I am facing since morning. Since upgrading to ubuntu 17.10, I am unable to log into sites like amazon. Other sites like netflix do not open at all.
[08:55] <Mahesh_> Apache Ubuntu Server - Traffic falls down
[08:55] <Mahesh_> Please someone help me to fix it
[09:00] <brotherBox> hey guys, im getting a weird error message that http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release does not have a release file
[09:03] <xs2> has that oracle package been fixed yet?
[09:04] <xs2> does anybody at Linux still care about Ubuntu?
[09:05] <Borw3> LOL
[09:05] <Borw3> Does anyone care about Ubuntu?
[09:10] <brotherBox> at Linux?
[09:10] <Borw3> Even Google dropped Ubuntu
[09:11] <MarkB2> It had no choice.
[09:11] <voidDotClass> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-lxc/lxd-stable/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages is still broken and has been for several days, i can't run apt-get update. What's going on?
[09:12] <xs2> why did google drop ubuntu?
[09:12] <Borw3> MarkB2: How?
[09:12] <brotherBox> same
[09:13] <Borw3> LOL
[09:13] <MarkB2> You're kidding, right?  If the Chocolate Factory wanted a hardened reliable OS they would have built it from the ground up.
[09:13] <MarkB2> None of this hobby stuff.
[09:13] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL, they switched to Debian.

[09:13] <MarkB2> Lock down your bits...
[09:14] <AntiSol> LOL, hobby. Thanks for letting everybody know that we can safely ignore everything you say.
[09:14] <Borw3> LOL
[09:15] <auronandace> !zesty | brotherBox
  Easy does it.  I admit it: I had an interview Friday with a DoD house using nothing but Linux (almost every flavor out there)...
[09:15] <Borw3> Ubuntu is no Hobby, It's backed by a company that makes money out of it.
[09:15] <brotherBox> auronandace i see, thanks
[09:16] <MarkB2> The hiring manager pulled "message passing" out and started asking me about it.  But it was the mechanism he used for describing it that was the blow to the kidneys.
[09:18] <brotherBox> auronandace: i just tried do-release-upgrade and it still failed with the known error message
[09:18] <auronandace> brotherBox: do-release-upgrade would only work on supported releases
[09:18] <MarkB2> The software system he coordinates has multiple modules developed around the world.  His concern to me was that his knowledge "expert" are disappearing and the code they write is incomprehensible... so he has to get someone to rewrite the code.. and sometimes it gets re-written in the favorite language of that "Expert".
[09:19] <brotherBox> auronandace: so what are my options, re-install ubuntu?
[09:19] <auronandace> !eolupgrade | brotherBox
[09:19] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL, why everyone forcing javascript to do everything?
[09:19] <auronandace> brotherBox: i would prefer a fresh install myse
[09:19] <auronandace> myself
[09:20] <MarkB2> The way he kept pushing the idea of "an Expert disappearing", he didn't want to hire an older worker.
[09:20] <brotherBox> for any particular reason?
[09:21] <auronandace> brotherBox: just my preference, i have simple needs. it gurantees a clean state
[09:21] <MarkB2> Sometimes I wish managers would just say, "Look, buddy.  You're twice the age of my father's oldest brother, HR would fire me if I so much as thought you might be able to make a contribution before keeling over from cholesterol poisoning."
[09:22] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL, you are one of those old guys too? 60+?
[09:22] <brotherBox> what
[09:22] <MarkB2> His comment would smart... but we'd shake hands and I'd head for the door.
[09:22] <MarkB2> Borw3: I wrote one of the first linux installers.
[09:23] <Borw3> MarkB2: Jesus, LOL... which one?
[09:23] <MarkB2> RaWrite
[09:23] <MarkB2> My name is in the comments at top.  You can Google "rawrite.c" for it.
[09:23] <Borw3> MarkB2: Which Distro you recommend for programming?
[09:24] <MarkB2> I've only used four.
[09:24] <MarkB2> There are hundreds.
[09:24] <Borw3> MarkB2: What are this 4?
[09:25] <MarkB2> Slackware, RedHat, SUSE, Ubunto 16.04.  Was working on Yocto builds.
[09:27] <MarkB2> RaWrite was originally written when Dr. Tananbaum (of Minix fame) put out a request for a program that would scribble a bootable image to a 360K floppy.
[09:28] <MarkB2> The Linux crowd saw that.. and it's still on a couple of distributions.
[09:29] <Borw3> MarkB2: You are knowledgable man, I must say.
[09:29] <MarkB2> It nearly ruined my career.
[09:30] <Borw3> MarkB2: RaWrite ruined your career?
[09:30] <MarkB2> Yes.
[09:30] <Borw3> LOL, How?
[09:30] <MarkB2> I gave RaWrite away, source code and all.
[09:30] <Borw3> Shit!!!! Free?
[09:30] <tatertots> you live and learn
[09:30] <xs2> what's RaWrite?
[09:30] <xs2> I heard Tanenbaum
[09:30] <xs2> :-)
[09:30] <MarkB2> Think of it as a stripped down version of dd(1) for DOS.
[09:31] <Borw3> Disk Destroyer without the bad parts. :D
[09:31] <xs2> so Tanenbaum wrote it
[09:31] <MarkB2> No.
[09:31] <xs2> is that what you were saying?
[09:31] <MarkB2> I wrote RaWrite, the original version.
[09:32] <xs2> ah I see
[09:32] <xs2> so how do you get to be in touch with Tanenbaum?
[09:32] <MarkB2> Tanenbaum had asked the net for a utility for a binary write to create a bootable floppy.
[09:32] <xs2> I see
[09:32] <xs2> usenet or something?
[09:32] <MarkB2> I haven't said boo to Dr. Tanenbaum since around the time the utility was written.
[09:33] <Borw3> MarkB2: Linux world amazes me.
[09:34] <MarkB2> The problem with "giving the code away" is that hiring managers are in the business of making money.  When they learn of rawrite via Google searches on my name, they say, "Buddy, you gave it away.  I can't hire people that don't know how to make money.  GTFO my office."
[09:34] <Borw3> LOL!!!!
[09:35] <Borw3> Is it possible to make money off developng for linux?
[09:35] <xs2> it's possible to make many doing anything
[09:35] <xs2> just make sure you're really good
[09:35] <xs2> what are these kinds of questions today
[09:36] <Borw3> LOL
[09:36] <xs2> RFID chip instead of the brain
[09:36] <MarkB2> Oh yes.  Embedded Linux (Yocto for example) is very popular for things like media servers and players, routers, all kinds of stuff.
[09:37] <MarkB2> Last year I worked on a pipe inspector that was prototyped with Ubuntu Linux.
[09:37] <dingir> ls
[09:38] <Borw3> MarkB2: What programming languages you find to be more demanded for in Linux programming.
[09:39] <MarkB2> But the supervisor picked a device from Intel (the "Joule") that Intel killed 9 months after release, Upper Management threw in the towel, and had the entire project outsourced to houses having experience in releasing embedded Linux systems and getting around the various license agreements.
[09:39] <MarkB2> Borw3: I'm biased.  My background is BSEE + BSCS + MSEE.  All my software deals with stuff down in the 1's and 0's of electronic hardware.
[09:40] <xs2> nice
[09:40] <MarkB2> Nice for what?
[09:40] <Borw3> MarkB2: You use raw bits to program?
[09:40] <_Dbug_> It's better than cooked ones
[09:40] <xs2> nice background sir
[09:41] <MarkB2> 11-1/2 years in academia doing all that stuff.  Hiring managers don't have degrees.  "Buddy, watta you, some kind of dumb egghead?  Hey, buddy, if you so smart, how come you ain't rich.. like me?  MUHAHAHAH"   <ouch>
[09:42] <Borw3> 11.5 years ago, I didn't even know how to Google.
[09:42] <Borw3> LOL
[09:42] <MarkB2> Sorry.
[09:43] <MarkB2> Friday's hiring manager had a subordinate introduce me to "message buffers", and something called RocketMQ.
[09:43] <MarkB2> I'd never heard of it before.. so got back home and started reading up on it.
[09:44] <MarkB2> Downloaded it... and it fails.
[09:44] <MarkB2> So I start digging.
[09:45] <MarkB2> It's Java-based.  The startup for it tells the JVM that it must allocate 8GB for various buffers and such.
[09:45] <MarkB2> But the show-stopper is the JVM throwing an exception about an address already in use.
[09:46] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL, 8GB RAM? XD
[09:46] <MarkB2> The Apache people claim that ubuntu is a supported platform and that's good...
[09:47] <_Dbug_> It's not really surprising, if it was designed by Alibaba, it was supposed to support super large infrastructure with Facebook/Google/Amazon style performance :)
[09:48] <MarkB2> ... but it does not run under 17.10 .  So what did the hiring manager do?  I have no idea what he did to his computers to run RocketMQ.. But what I've just done is wipe out several hours of time thinking I could run myself through the tutorials on it.
[09:48] <MarkB2> Dbug: Written by Alibaba.... but now part of Apache?
[09:49] <MarkB2> What the company does is create test stations for testing products.
[09:49] <_Dbug_> https://www.quora.com/topic/RocketMQ  "Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications."
[09:49] <_Dbug_> "In November 2016, Alibaba donated RocketMQ to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) as an incubator project."
[09:50] <MarkB2> When I look at the application... and look at this "Message Buffer" framework... now I know there was no way I'd get the job.
[09:50] <_Dbug_> Maybe your manager got it wrong, and was thinking of ZMQ instead of RocketMQ
[09:50] <_Dbug_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeroMQ
[09:52] <Borw3> LOL
[09:53] <MarkB2> Not sure.  He kept talking about broker software... but when he described the architecture, I was thinking it was some mashup between Java's addListener methods and sockets.
[09:53] <MarkB2> brb
[09:54] <littlekitty> Hi, I'm a bit confused
[09:54] <littlekitty> should I install ubuntu 16 or 17 ?
[09:55] <littlekitty> the 'until July 2018' part throws me a bit off for Ubuntu 17.10.1
[09:55] <Borw3> LOL, me too.
[09:55] <Borw3> but you will upgrade to 18.04 LTS from it.
[09:56] <Flannel> littlekitty: right.  16.04 is an LTS (Long-Term Support) release.  The other releases (like 17.10) is only supported for nine months (it's expected that you'll upgrade to the next release before those nine months)
[09:56] <Borw3> And 16.04LTS will also upgrade to 18.04LTS, so......
[09:56] <Flannel> littlekitty: 18.04 will be an LTS, 16.04 will upgrade cleanly to 18.04, 17.10 will also upgrade cleanly to 18.04.  LTS releases are supported for three years each.  So you can go LTS to LTS, etc.
[09:57] <MarkB2> FYI on 16.04: glade for GTK is seriously broken.
[09:57] <littlekitty> and upgrading means the need of a wipe and clean install ?
[09:57] <Flannel> littlekitty: Nope
[09:57] <Borw3> MarkB2: What is glade?
[09:57] <MarkB2> glade is a GUI-builder for GTK.
[09:58] <littlekitty> Okay thank you both I think I'll install the LTS version then
[09:58] <Flannel> littlekitty: Going from version to version is painless (unless something goes wrong).  It's pretty robust, but there's always a chance...
[09:58] <Flannel> littlekitty: Most people stick with LTS
[09:58] <Borw3> Hmmm, I been using wxwidgets, does it touch glade anywhere?
[09:58] <MarkB2> I was using glade at last employ... there were licensing issues with Qt and glade was a no-brainer.  But glade's bug turns up when putting a button onto a screen.
[09:59] <MarkB2> The program goes into some kind of wild refresh loop and starts eating memory.
[09:59] <MarkB2> The system runs out of physical RAM and starts thrashing itself to pieces.
[09:59] <littlekitty> Flannel: alright, thank you for your answers
[09:59] <Borw3> LOL
[09:59] <Borw3> Just 1 button? LOL!!!!
[10:01] <MarkB2> Yes.  There are a few UI elements that track the button. A search for the error showed that the gtk crowd was aware of it.. and they fixed it in the release for 17.10.  But the fix wasn't backportable to 16.04's version.. and so Management went with Qt.
[10:01] <MarkB2> The Qt crowd showed up on the doorstep and wanted $70000 for two development seats AND a royalty on every unit the firm sold.
[10:02] <Borw3> LOL!!!! what was the product?
[10:02] <MarkB2> A pipe inspector.  It has two cameras, an xray emitter, and some lights.  And a bunch of switches.
[10:03] <MarkB2> The supervisor thought that he could take code samples from the camera vendor, mangle them into the product, then say that since the camera vendor had given away the code, that he could take it and sell it with the product.  "Free software", right?
[10:04] <MarkB2> Upper Management heard "$70000" and nearly peed itself.
[10:05] <Borw3> LOL!!!, but why not just use java for the GUI parts?
[10:06] <MarkB2> Both Oracle and Open_whatever_its_called are both encumbered (sp?) by licenses that make them unsuitable for the purpose. Oracle especially. They want royalties, too.
[10:07] <MarkB2> Reading Oracle's licensing terms is an education.
[10:08] <MarkB2> Reading the various LGPL licenses is a headache.
[10:08] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL, OpenJDK is free, I thaught.
[10:08] <Borw3> No paying anyone anything.
[10:09] <MarkB2> No.
[10:09] <MarkB2> Here's the problem you run into with the various licenses...
[10:11] <MarkB2> LGPL 2.1.1 (hope I have it right) attempts to preserve the sanctity of the libraries by saying, "you cannot prevent the end user from patching our libraries and relinking with  your secret sauce modules."
[10:11] <MarkB2> ... to create the executable.
[10:11] <MarkB2> LGPL 2.1.1 makes a distinction between statically and dynamically linked programs.
[10:12] <MarkB2> A statically linked program is a no-no, because the end user cannot patch a GNU library to repair a deficiency in that library.
[10:12] <MarkB2> The upshot here is that the firm selling this product must supply either object relocatable or source modules.
[10:13] <MarkB2> You say that to a hiring manager ... and he will wet himself.  You're asking him to give away the secret sauce he's spent company money creating.
[10:13] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL!
[10:13] <Gilette> Hi
[10:14] <MarkB2> Feel free to laugh... but there are "reverse compilers" that, given some smart people that know compiler insides, can reverse an object relocatable back to C source code.
[10:14] <Gilette> Seems like I managed to register my nick name. It wasnt easy.
[10:16] <Gilette> Yes, I know about reverse compilers
[10:16] <MarkB2> Borw3: Imagine a company selling a product for $100K.  Someone buys it, reverse-engineers the hardware (easy) then throws the .o files at a reverse-engineering house... who then recreates enough of the code to recreate the executable.
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[10:16] <Gilette> also called reverse engineering
[10:16] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL!!!, so your manager still isn't safe.
[10:17] <Borw3> No matter the license
[10:17] <MarkB2> New unit goes to market for $10K.
[10:17] <MarkB2> Borw3: Neither is the software engineer working for him.
[10:18] <Gilette> finances and technology is basically two different things
[10:18] <Borw3> LOL
[10:18] <MarkB2> So they went hunting for a software house that knows "ways" around the LGPL and creates a statically-linked executable that incorporates Linux code and can be sold.
[10:19] <MarkB2> That's their "secret sauce", the knowledge of how to get around GNU's restrictions.
[10:19] <Gilette> simple program can cost a lot and at the same time, advanced program can be free. There isnt ant relation unless we put it both on market
[10:20] <MarkB2> The firm's previous product does a fraction of what this one does... but that was written from the OS up to the GUI, in assembly language from a vendor that could not care less what is down with their libraries.
[10:21] <MarkB2> It wasn't x86 or ARM based.
[10:21] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL!!!!
[10:21] <MarkB2> Can you imagine the engineering effort to create a massive GUI-based program from absolute scratch?
[10:23] <Borw3> MarkB2: LOL!!, My small mind can't even start processesing.
[10:23] <MarkB2> While researching Qt's licensing agreements, I watched a video of a German lawyer weasling all over the place trying to describe the difference between Qt's opensource version and commercial licenses.
[10:24] <MarkB2> His English was perfect.
[10:24] <ikonia> perhaps we could take this discussion to an offtopic channel please, and keep this channel for suport discussion
[10:24] <MarkB2> It was so good that he was able to further confuse the issue...
[10:25] <MarkB2> Yah, this has gone on long enough.
[10:25] <adsasd> is anyone around?
[10:25] <ikonia> many people
[10:25] <adsasd> my keyboard isn't working in GRUB
[10:26] <adsasd> I installed the latest ubuntu.
[10:26] <adsasd> At first it was working so I can choose Windows.
[10:26] <adsasd> Sometimes it would fail yesterday so I just reboot
[10:26] <adsasd> But now the keyboard just completely fails.
[10:26] <ikonia> sounds like a hardware error more than software
[10:26] <ikonia> more so if it was on/off now it's just off
[10:26] <adsasd> I'm using the keyboard right now.
[10:27] <adsasd> It works while booting up and after the grub screen.
[10:27] <ikonia> is it a standard wired keyboard ?
[10:27] <adsasd> it just won't function when im about to choose between ubuntu, memtest, and windows.
[10:27] <ikonia> do you see the numlock light flash when you power on
[10:27] <adsasd> Mech KB, wired.
[10:27] <adsasd> It's ON when i boot up.
[10:28] <adsasd> They say to enable USB support with Legacy but I don't have it on my BIOS.
[10:28] <ikonia> I could only think its not initialising
[10:28] <ikonia> who is they ?
[10:28] <adsasd> The forums, I've been searching for almost an hour now and it seems to be the fix.
[10:29] <adsasd> It's working at the start since I can go to BIOS then when I'm about to choose in the pink screen (lol) or GRUB (if that's what it's called) it's not functioning.
[10:29] <ikonia> (lol) ?
[10:29] <kostkon> adsasd, is it a usb keyboard? a laptop one? ps/2?
[10:29] <adsasd> cuz im not sure what to call it
[10:30] <ikonia> you're talking about the black and white menu screen to select your OS to boot ?
[10:30] <adsasd> USB keyboard, im using desktop. It's wired.
[10:30] <adsasd> The pink screen where I can select Ubuntu, memtest, memtest86, and windows.
[10:30] <ikonia> pink screen - grub is normally black and white
[10:31] <ikonia> have later versions of ubuntu changed the grub colour scheme ?
[10:31] <ikonia> adsasd: what version of ubuntu is this exactly
[10:31] <adsasd> idk it's pink. I'm using the latest Ubuntu btw.
[10:31] <ikonia> adsasd: which one exactly
[10:45] <ad_> Sorry about the disconnect. I'm the guy with the keyboard not working in GRUB.
[10:45] <ad_> Ubuntu freezes after a couple of minutes in me idk why.
[10:46] <tatertots> ad: open terminal
[10:46] <tatertots> ad: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[10:46] <tatertots> ad: let me know when done.
[10:47] <ad_> It's loading.
[10:47] <tatertots> ad: let me know when done.
[10:47] <ad_> Done
[10:47] <tatertots> ad: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[10:48] <tatertots> ad: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[10:48] <ad_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26422057/
[10:48] <tatertots> ad: lsusb -tv &> ~/nip.pir
[10:49] <tatertots> ad: you may not see anything just let me know when done
[10:50] <ad__> tatertots im on my iPAD now because my pc just crashed again.
[10:51] <tatertots> ad: let me know when done.
[10:51] <ad__> it seems like it's crashing after 2 mins or so.
[10:51] <ad__> what is? i missed ur chat.
[10:51] <ad__> it crashed after i gave u the pastebin link
[10:51] <tatertots> ad: what is the last action / instruction you followed successfully?
[10:52] <ad__> the pastebin link
[10:52] <ad__> sorry about that
[10:52] <tatertots> ad: lsusb -tv &> ~/nip.pir
[10:52] <tatertots> ad: you may not see anything just let me know when done
[10:52] <tatertots> ad: let me know when done.
[10:52] <ad__> what is that for tho, just so i know
[10:53] <ad__> done now, no loading or anything
[10:53] <tatertots> ad: did you have an opportunity to view the previous url/link above PRIOR to sharing it here? yes or no....do you think i may "routinely" do that?
[10:53] <ad__> i dont get what u r saying but I did preview it.
[10:54] <ad__> It is a list of my hardware stuff.
[10:54] <ad__> Done with the lsusb, btw,
[10:54] <tatertots> ad: okay
[10:54] <ad__> whats next
[10:55] <ad__> this is a fresh install ubuntu and I havent done any updates yet.
[10:55] <tatertots> ad: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log &>> ~/nip.pir
[10:55] <tatertots> ad: you may not see anything just let me know when done
[10:55] <ad__> done
[10:56] <ad__> my pornoe
[10:56] <tatertots> ad: journalctl -p 3 &>> ~/nip.pir
[10:56] <tatertots> ad: you may not see anything just let me know when done
[10:56] <Megalepozy> Hi all, just installed 17.10 after 16.04 started to freeze (blackish screen) yesterday after I login, sadly, the same issue happen with 17.10 and the only way for me to login and do anything is by loading the recovery mode and then immediately select the first option of continuing to boot normally, all in all even like that the entire display feel really clunky
[10:56] <ad__> my problem is that keyboard is not functioning in grub
[10:56] <tatertots> ad: I understand your keyboard not functioning in grub.
[10:57] <tatertots> ad: have/show follow through
[10:57] <ad__> done
[10:57] <tatertots> ad: pastebinit ~/nip.pir
[10:57] <tatertots> ad: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link..say so
[10:57] <Megalepozy> I also get an error report which tell me that the linux kernel got KernelOops problem type (at previous attempt it told me that systemd-logind crushed)
[10:58] <ad__> 26422084
[10:58] <ad__> paste.ubuntu.com/26422084
[10:58] <tatertots> ad: routines...routines..."verbatim"...
[10:58] <Megalepozy> and honestly I don't know what I should even do now in order to investigate the cause of my problem
[10:59] <Megalepozy> anyone got a clue?
[10:59] <ad__> I dont get what u are trying to say, sorry.
[11:00] <ad__> I hope there is a fix to this.
[11:01] <tatertots> ad: xinput list|pastebinit
[11:01] <tatertots> ad: i haven't said much outside of the "instructions"
[11:02] <tatertots> ad: i expect to see some info about your mouse/kb in the url/link
[11:02] <Gilette> Hi
[11:05] <Megalepozy> just did sudo lshw -C video and found out that both my GPU and my nvidia card are UNCLAIMED, maybe thats the problem?
[11:09] <ad_> tatertots: I swear im not trolling but there'/
[11:09] <ad_> there is a power outage in my location right now
[11:09] <tatertots> ad: lol...i believe you are NOT trolling
[11:10] <ad_> Philippines, so ...
[11:11] <ad_> I hope ur still here when it comes back. I looked at the last link I sent u and it was a lot of errors.
[11:13] <sl4ck> hi all. does enyone can help me, please. I have a new i3 HP laptop and I just installed 16.04 and I can't see the wifi interface. I've checked in google, but nothin specific comes up
[11:14] <sl4ck> is like the wifi interafce does not exists
[11:14] <sl4ck> i am not sure how to enable it
[11:14] <tatertots> sl4ck: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[11:14] <sl4ck> yes
[11:14] <tatertots> sl4ck: open terminal
[11:14] <sl4ck> done
[11:14] <tatertots> sl4ck: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[11:14] <tatertots> sl4ck: let me know when done.
[11:15] <tatertots> ad: Just say something to me when the power outage has been cleared.
[11:15] <sl4ck> done
[11:16] <tatertots> sl4ck: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[11:16] <tatertots> sl4ck: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link...say so
[11:16] <joyn> Hello
[11:16] <sl4ck> in the trminal or here in the chat room?
[11:16] <ad_> it is back now. Hold on  a sec.
[11:17] <sl4ck> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26422298/
[11:20] <sftrabbit> Using mutter 3.26.1 and libinput 1.8.2 (with Ubuntu 17.10) and two finger scrolling on my touchpad seems to only move in large increments (like a scroll wheel) so doesn't feel natural. Is this expected/known behaviour? Interested in contributing if there's no existing work to fix this.
[11:20] <ad__> tatertots: what is the next command?
[11:20] <ad__> my last was the errors link.
[11:21] <ad__> The last thing I followed through was sending you the link for a pastebin of the errors.
[11:26] <ad_> tatertots: my computer just froze again.
[11:26] <ad_> What was the next command
[11:28] <tatertots> sl4ck: i understand
[11:28] <tatertots> sl4ck:            Card-2: Intel Device 24fb bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:24fb
[11:29] <tatertots> sl4ck: ubuntu-drivers devices|pastebinit
[11:30] <sl4ck> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26422345/
[11:30] <tatertots> ad: xinput list|pastebinit
[11:31] <tatertots> sl4ck: did your wireless/WLAN function as designed when booted to LiveCD/LiveUSB? yes or no...
[11:31] <tatertots> just yes or no
[11:32] <sl4ck> tatertots: no
[11:33] <tatertots> sl4ck: rfkill list|pastebinit
[11:34] <sl4ck> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26422364/
[11:35] <morsnowski_> hi there is have a hash mismatch when doing an 'apt update', I tried to delete the old list and pull down new ones but this "...dists/xenial-security/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/3c14735e35450b11bec246ca4152195ccbaf65ef74be0e3580377a47b154de06  Hash Sum mismatch" doesn'tgo away
[11:36] <ad_> Can anyone help me? Keyboard is not working on Grub menu.
[11:36] <morsnowski_> now I'm somewhat concerned that someone managed it to place a faulty security related file on my laptop
[11:36] <ad_> tatertots are u still around
[11:37] <TJ-> sl4ck: can you show us "pastebinit <( sudo lspci -nnvvvk -d ::280 )"
[11:37] <tatertots> sl4ck: you are responsible for obtaining driver software for your device from the manufacture or you can also (re)search here https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/
[11:37] <tatertots> sl4ck:            Card-2: Intel Device 24fb bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:24fb
[11:37] <tatertots> sl4ck: your device info is above
[11:37] <tatertots> sl4ck: you can use it in your (re)search
[11:37] <sl4ck> thx tatertots. Do you think the problem can be solved if I am installing 17.07?
[11:38] <TJ-> tatertots: the iwlwifi declares modalias for that device (for 4 variations) so we need to check if sl4ck's device is something different
[11:38] <sl4ck> TJ I am listening
[11:38] <TJ-> sl4ck: show us the pastebin I asked for above ^^
[11:38] <sl4ck> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26422381/
[11:39] <tatertots> sl4ck: you can simply boot LiveCD/LiveUSB....if it works in that "environment" then you can "reasonably" expect it to be "identical" "post" installation...post means AFTERWARD
[11:39] <ad__> Grub not responding on keyboard, help. dual boot win10
[11:39] <sl4ck> got you tatertots
[11:39] <TJ-> sl4ck: what does "uname -r" show you?
[11:39] <sl4ck> tatertots: thank you very much for your help
[11:39] <sl4ck> TJ-: 4.4.0-109-generic
[11:39] <tatertots> TJ-: scroll up for more info that you will ask in 1 hour
[11:40] <tatertots> than
[11:40] <ad__> tater what is the next command
[11:40] <TJ-> tatertots: already got it thanks
[11:40] <sl4ck> TJ and tatertots you working for ubuntu?
[11:40] <saberu> hey guys I'm trying to route all DNS requests to my web server on my Android based Ubuntu
[11:40] <tatertots> TJ-: here i'll help you out https://paste.ubuntu.com/26422298/ nice and "pretty"
[11:40] <saberu> I setup the iptables commands to do it but all it does is stop DNS requests from working at all
[11:41] <saberu> i also tried doing the same with DNSmasq and got the same result
[11:41] <tatertots> sl4ck: lol...canonical paying a real "$alary" for someone to help in IRC.....i've just died laughing
[11:42] <tatertots> sl4ck: where's the "profit" in that????...companies do things (motives) for "profit(s)"....
[11:42] <sl4ck> lol. its my first time here and I thout you guys willing to help so much...
[11:42] <ad__> Anyone here with the same issue as me? USB keyboard not working only in GRUB menu.
[11:43] <TJ-> sl4ck: OK, the iwlwifi module does support your device ("pci:v00008086d000024FBsv*sd00002110bc*sc*i*") which is 8086:24fb 2110 - support was added in January 2016 so it looks like it just missed out on being included in the original 4.4 kernel.
[11:44] <TJ-> sl4ck: so, all you need to do is this: "sudo apt install linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-16.04" and reboot and you'll have it working
[11:45] <sl4ck> TJ-: I will come back with the output
[11:46] <TJ-> sl4ck: there is no output to report - this installs the kernel that supports your Intel wifi device. So simply reboot after the install and it's fixed
[11:46] <sl4ck> TJ-: I was referring as I am gonna conect back to ubuntu chanel after rebooting to let you know if it works
[11:47] <TJ-> sl4ck: OK, but I know it will :D
[11:47] <ad_> Is there a way to force ur boot to Windows? Im done with Ubuntu.
[11:50] <sl4ck> TJ-: it works
[11:50] <TJ-> sl4ck: I know :)
[11:50] <sl4ck> TJ-: wow, yhank you very much for your help
[11:51] <sl4ck> i think wouldn't be able to sove the problem by myself or maybe yes in about 2 or 3 days
[11:52] <TJ-> sl4ck: that's why we're here - short-circuit the web-search merry-go-around and give authoratitive advice
[11:53] <MarkB2> DBug, are you still here?
[11:55] <_Dbug_> MarkB2, yes, idling, but yes :)
[11:56] <MarkB2> Can we chat in private?  I'd rather not clutter #ubuntu with off-topic chatter.
[11:57] <TJ-> !ot | MarkB2
[11:58] <TJ-> MarkB2: ha, didn't mean that to sound repremanding... just we have #ubuntu-offtopic especially for you :)
[12:14] <mm8990> hi
[12:14] <mm8990> how this work
[12:16] <Donmel> hi
[12:17] <Donmel> Hello guys
[12:17] <Donmel> Hola
[12:18] <Donmel> This is Zion control. Do you read me? Over
[12:18] <Donmel> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T5300  @ 1.73GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 2.9 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 17.9 GB / 247.7 GB (229.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945G
[12:18] <Donmel> T Express Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 34m 25s
[12:19] <Donmel> hi
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: welcome, how can we help you?
[12:20] <Donmel> Hi Lotus
[12:20] <Donmel> How are you?
[12:20] <Donmel> This is my first day on Lubuntu
[12:20] <Donmel> I moved here from Linux Mint
[12:20] <Donmel> Linux Mint Desktop
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: welcome to the ubuntu community, this channel is only used for ubuntu support
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Donmel if you like
[12:21] <Donmel> thanks! Much appreciated
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> hey MonkeyDust
[12:32] <renl> anyone noticed for ubuntu on arm computers, attempting to read from 2 ttyACM devices will hang the system and create a kernel panic?
[12:32] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> renl: perhaps the #ubuntu-arm guys might know more of your issue?
[12:33] <renl> cool thanks
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[12:34] <fk-x260> hi all
[12:44] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[12:44] <Megalepozy> Hi all, I just installed nvidia-387 drivers and when I try to reboot or change to a different tty I get a black screen with a blinking underscore cursor at the top left, anyone got an idea what to do? (btw, without the drivers the system wont even start most of the times)
[12:44] <Megalepozy> oh I'm using 17.10
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: is 387 reccomended for your card?
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: you can check the drivers available in your system with ubuntu-drivers list
[12:45] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: I dunno about recommended, but it is listed as supported
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: have you tested other driver versions that do work?
[12:47] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: nope, I only tested nvidia-387 and of course the default nouveau
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: could you check ubuntu-drivers list ?
[12:48] <Megalepozy> btw lshw -C video gave me 2 unclaimed displays with nouveau but now the unclaimed state is gone
[12:48] <Megalepozy> I'm not sure what u mean by that... lshw?
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: in a terminal type: ubuntu-drivers list
[12:49] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: nvidia-390
[12:49] <Megalepozy> nvidia-384
[12:49] <Megalepozy> nvidia-387
[12:49] <Megalepozy> intel-microcode
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: try the 384 as a test perhaps+ reboot?
[12:50] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: so I need to d/l it like the 387? or its already at my system?
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: yeah its available for your card GUI, or sudo apt install nvidia-384
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: (from software&updates tab additional drivers gui)
[12:51] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: k, will install, reboot, and come back to tell the tale (if the system will load up of course ;))
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: if its getting black screen, sudo apt purge nvidia* to go back to nouveau ok
[12:53] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: nouveau is worse, the system usually dont even load up after login
[12:53] <Megalepozy> I'm using a laptop with a gpu and a display card if it matter
[12:54] <Megalepozy> ok, rebooting, brb
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:58] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: back from reboot, same thing when I change to tty, how can I check that I actually using 384 now?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: sudo lshw -C video
[13:00] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: well the nvidia card just state nvidia with no number as the driver
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: how about modinfo nv
[13:01] <EriC^^> Megalepozy: what does driver= say?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, its most likely the driver being used, otherwise it would say nouveau
[13:01] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: btw, as far as I'm concerned I really don't care if the nvidia card or the intel gpu will be working, I use Ubuntu for work
[13:01] <EriC^^> +1 on BluesKaj
[13:01] <morsnowski_> hi there is have a hash mismatch when doing an 'apt update', I tried to delete the old list and pull down new ones but this "...dists/xenial-security/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/3c14735e35450b11bec246ca4152195ccbaf65ef74be0e3580377a47b154de06  Hash Sum mismatch" doesn'tgo away
[13:01] <morsnowski_> now I'm somewhat concerned that someone managed it to place a faulty security related file on my laptop
[13:01] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: modinfo: ERROR: Module nv not found
[13:02] <Megalepozy> EriC^^: configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
[13:02] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj: yeah but b4 that I used nvidia-387 and now switched to 384, how can I be sure that it actually switched versions?
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: nvidia-smi perhaps?
[13:03] <EriC^^> Megalepozy: what does 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' give ?
[13:03] <Megalepozy> Just want to be sure that it switched in order to be sure that this version exhibit the exact same bug (if at all connected...)
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, to make sure run this,  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[13:04] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: nvidia-smi
[13:04] <Megalepozy> Sat Jan 20 15:03:47 2018
[13:04] <Megalepozy> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
[13:04] <Megalepozy> | NVIDIA-SMI 384.111                Driver Version: 384.111                   |
[13:04] <Megalepozy> |-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
[13:04] <Megalepozy> | GPU  Name        Persistence-M| Bus-Id        Disp.A | Volatile Uncorr. ECC |
[13:04] <EriC^^> !paste | Megalepozy you'll be unmuted in a minute
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> morsnowski_: have you added external ppa's of any kind to your system?
[13:05] <morsnowski_> lotuspsychje, yes very likely
[13:05] <morsnowski_> you recon that smuggled some stuff in?
[13:05] <Megalepozy> oops, sorry for that everyone :)
[13:05] <donalsd> Hello guys. I had set a specific allowed IP for SSH in a server via ufw. I'm going to have to use another ethernet cable to the server, that lan cable won't be used, but I'll be in the same subnet. Is there a way i can use the same IP from another port?
[13:06] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26422742/ - nvidia-smi
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> morsnowski_: we cant support externally added ppa's cause they scramble the ubuntu system
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: yes, driver in use 384 like you asked
[13:06] <morsnowski_> ok so what you are saying is I need to disable externals?
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> morsnowski_: we reccomend a clean ubuntu with the default sources.list yes
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | morsnowski_
[13:07] <Megalepozy> EriC^^: dpkg -l | grep nvidia - https://paste.ubuntu.com/26422745/
[13:07] <donalsd> Is the IP managed by the router or can I specify an IP to my card from my network manager?
[13:08] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'  -> Kernel driver in use: i915  (so it doesnt use nvidia at all?)
[13:08] <morsnowski_> lotuspsychje, thanks  I'll try that
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> donalsd: perhaps a question for #openssh or ##networking?
[13:09] <donalsd> Umm, I'm using an ubuntu pc to connect to a ubuntu server.
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> donalsd: just trying to widen your options
[13:09] <donalsd> So, I'll need to know if I can simply connect through the network manager by manually changing the IP to the allowed IP.
[13:09] <acheronuk> morsnowski_: before you start purging ppas, are you source pointing at a local mirror? if so, did you try switching to the main ubuntu archive mirror? sometimes the local ones can be a bit out of sync and give mismatch errors
[13:10] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: ok so it use 384 but still exhibit the same issue (of black screen with blinking underscore at the top left, also, as b4 when going back to the gui I need to relogin)
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: have you tried from the xorg session instead of wayland?
[13:11] <morsnowski_> lotuspsychje, I checked I have no PPAs actived that are not Ubuntu themselves
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> morsnowski_: try also what acheronuk suggested
[13:12] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: I tried before to disable wayland (with nouveau), didnt change anything
[13:12] <morsnowski_> lotuspsychje, acheronuk thanks I'll try that too
[13:13] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje: maybe with nvidia it will work? (btw didnt BluesKaj test showed that I actually use the intel driver and dont use nvidia anyway?)
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: you have hybrid graphics, meaning you can switch from intel/nvidia
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: the package nvidia-prime can switch from intel to nvidia and back
[13:14] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, so u want me to install nvidia-prime?
[13:14] <Megalepozy> and then switch to nvidia?
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: i would reccomend to test all your drivers available in your system also nouveau, and all test both with xorg and wayland
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: if you install an nvidia driver, prime should be installed with it
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: from nvidia-prime you can set to performance mode or not
[13:16] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, how can I be sure thats that even the cause of my problem? (seems logical... but what do I know? :))
[13:16] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, I cant find any nvidia-prime
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-prime | Megalepozy
[13:18] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, ok so I'll apt-get install it now
[13:18] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, ok so I'll apt-get install it now and try
[13:18] <Megalepozy> hmmm.. no edit here :)
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: you get it working?
[13:30] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, first of all sorry for all the questions... I changed at nvidia-x server at the prime profiles from nvidia to intel, it asked me to log out so I did but when I tried to login it just continuously gave me the login page again, so I rebooted (which btw worked with no black screen! ;)) and now I got an additional mouse pointer stuck at at the middle of the monitor and nvidia-x server doesnt even load up anymore, also the tty's doesnt show
[13:30] <Megalepozy> up as well
[13:31] <Megalepozy> all I want in life is dockers and an ide, do I ask too much? ;)
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: there are known issues with wayland and nvidia atm, hence why i asked to also test the xorg session
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> hey cfhowlett
[13:33] <Gilette> hi
[13:33] <cfhowlett> greeetings lotuspsychje
[13:34] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, how do I test the xorg session? (sorry, but never really passed the newbie stage with linux...)
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: at gdm (login window) when you enter your name, you can choose ubuntu or ubuntu on xorg
[13:35] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, ok, will log out and try that out, will return to update shortly
[13:36] <V7> tomreyn, Hey there :)
[13:37] <tomreyn> V7: hi ;)
[13:37] <V7> So it was in LAN0 or smth like this
[13:38] <V7> Btw which's the CMOS Error template in supermicro
[13:39] <Gilette> I'm running ubuntu mate 1.18 and it works ok to me
[13:39] <V7> I can't find it in internet
[13:39] <tomreyn> V7: let's move to -offtopic, i (off-topic) abused this channel too much already last night
[13:39] <V7> Roger that
[13:40] <arora> I have two commands, docker start "name" && docker attach "name" which I want to alias, as docker starch "name",
[13:40] <arora>                     how would I do that?
[13:43] <geirha> arora: you use a function for that. starch() { docker start "$1" && docker attach "$1"; }
[13:44] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, ok so with intel (power saving mode) + xorg session I get the tty's and I can reboot!
[13:44] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, seems like I still keep getting all kind of weird display glitches here and there but I dont know how to reproduce them yet
[13:45] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, so should I just forget about using the nvidia? (honestly I dont really care about graphics)
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: ok, and on wayland and nouveau?
[13:46] <arora> geirha: I am on zsh, and it doesn't seem to work
[13:46] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, oh, forgot about that... but isnt that the default? (I just reinstalled today on an installation from yesterday)
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: yeah the default should be wayland, have you seen both at login? ubuntu & ubuntu on xorg?
[13:47] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, good point, I saw the xorg option which make it work only for intel
[13:47] <geirha> arora: Ah, perhaps ask #zsh for help creating such a function, then. I assumed bash, since it's the default in ubuntu
[13:48] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, so maybe nouveau will allow xorg?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: weird worg doesnt liek nvidia neither?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> xorg
[13:48] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, no option to change to xorg with nvidia
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: aha ok
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: i would more suspect on nvidia you dont see the option for wayland and it falls back to xorg
[13:49] <Megalepozy> so should I try nouveau (srsly this name is horribly hard to spell...)? will it allow me xorg session?
[13:49] <Megalepozy> oh
[13:50] <geirha> arora: wait, won't docker start -a "name" do both in one command already?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: i reccomend testing every possible layout to see what actually working and what not
[13:50] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, but one sec, I already tried nouveau without wayland (uncommented the disable line at conf)
[13:50] <arora> *drum rolls* ahaan right, geirha Thanks for the help
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: you dont need to mess in confs mate
[13:51] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, that will take some time... but I guess there is no option is there?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: when purging nvidia drivers, you fall back to nouveau automaticly
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: i suspect what you experiencing is the nvidia:wayland issue not ready yet
[13:52] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, well it was just to remove a comment  to disable wayland... followed an article... newbie...
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: also keep in mind 17.10 is non-lts, if you need stable keep on ubuntu LTS version
[13:53] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, but I had even worse problems without nvidia, usually couldnt even login
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: but intel mode + xorg works right?
[13:53] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, I had 16.04 up till yesterday, it started to have the exact same symptoms as 17.10 default (basically blank screen after login)
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, wayland and nvidia don't get along well , yet, altho nouveau does work to some degree
[13:54] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, so far it seems ok so I'll keep it as is, saw some glitches b4 but hopefully they happend only at the switch...
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: allrighty
[13:55] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, ok thanks a lot for ur time, I'm really grateful :)
[13:55] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, thank u as well :)
[13:55] <Megalepozy> oh oh and EriC^^ :)
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: 16.04.3 have you tried different drivers there aswell?
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> brb
[13:57] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, nope, I just moved to 17.10 since I couldnt make 16.04 display on a second monitor connected with HDMI no matter what I did... and I remembered (already a bad start) that I saw that the issue is cause of the dual display drivers and that it got better at 17.10
[13:58] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, btw I still didn't check if the second monitor work with 17.10... will check now... cross ur fingers
[13:58] <Megalepozy> if not, then screw it, i'll just use the laptop monitor
[14:01] <Megalepozy> brb, rebooting to check if the 2nd monitor get identified
[14:03] <Megalepozy> Nope, it doesnt identify it, I guess that the hdmi exit belong to the nvidia card so without drivers it doesnt work... maybe...
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy,, just be sure, install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[14:09] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, whats that? :)
[14:09] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, its already installed
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, that's the default open source nvidia driver, if your nvidia proprietary driver doesn't work properly it's your fallback
[14:11] <Megalepozy> btw, I disabled wayland by uncommenting the line at /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[14:11] <Megalepozy> I later reenabled it
[14:11] <Megalepozy> re-enabled it
[14:12] <Megalepozy> how can I change to use it (I want to test it with xorg session)?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> no idea, don't have that conf file
[14:15] <zomaar> Zesty and Yakkety's package appear to have been removed from the old-releases pool, is this correct?
[14:16] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, sorry my mistake, I meant, how can I switch to use the nouveau drivers ?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, h=jkust remove the nvidia driver you have installed, but check first that it works with X without wayland in the mix
[14:19] <BluesKaj> the nvidia driver that is
[14:19] <ppf> !info linux-image-generic
[14:20] <ppf> i'm on the latest artful kernel. i can't send anything via ethernet
[14:20] <cfhowlett> not released yet so not supported here, ppf. ask #ubuntu+1
[14:20] <ppf> even if statically configuring (v4). can't ping the world, but i see incoming traffic in tcpdump
[14:20] <ppf> cfhowlett: ?
[14:21] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, the nvidia driver dont display the option to switch to X, as I uderstood from lotuspsychje  its because wayland isnt supported and it automatically use X, but I may misundestood
[14:21] <ppf> dhclient doesn't receive a response
[14:21] <ppf> and i don't see the discovers in tcpdump
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, did you try switching at the login page?
[14:21] <ppf> same machine works on the same network on windows
[14:22] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, yup, didnt had an option to switch when I was using nvidia
[14:22] <ppf> how do i even debug this?
[14:22] <Megalepozy> nvidia-384 to be precise
[14:22] <ppf> i don't see anything relevant in the journal
[14:23] <ppf> any tips?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, don'try switching drivers, just switch sessions at the login page
[14:26] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, but that's the point, I can't switch session at the login page if I'm using nvidia since the option doesnt show up, it show up though when I use intel
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: BluesKaj theres a known bug for that on some graphics cards, the wayland session doesnt show at login
[14:28] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, lotuspsychje  though I didnt check that with neaveou
[14:28] <zomaar> Correction, all of the universe packages from Yakkety and Zesty have been wiped from the servers.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, the wayland session won't run with the nvidia driver, there's nothiong advantageous about wayland atm especially with nvidia, just use X if you want proper functions
[14:29] <zomaar> From old-releases I mean
[14:29] <grkblood13> for some reason i can no longer resize windows
[14:29] <grkblood13> folder windows
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: i think with nouveau you will have both choices xorg/wayland
[14:29] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, with nvidia I can't choose session
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1702345
[14:30] <zomaar> They are still there for earlier old-releases
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> !who | zomaar
[14:30] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, yeah , I'm well aware of nvidia not working with wayland ..it's well known  that nvidia hasn't provided any support for it yert
[14:30] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, sounds hopefully promising, how do I switch back to neaveau? purge nvidia drivers?
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: sudp apt purge nvidia* yes
[14:31] <zomaar> I was asking a question lotuspsychje, feel free to answer.
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> sudo
[14:31] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, will it also switch from intel to neaveau?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> oh lord, oprimus ...Ididn't know
[14:32] <BluesKaj> optimus even
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: nouveau is the opensource driver i dont think you can switch there
[14:33] <ppf> i feel like i ran out of buttons to press for the kernel to actually tell me the problem
[14:33] <ppf> literally the only symptom i see is 'does not work'
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: another bug on it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1705369
[14:34] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, so it will return to the default state of not being able to pass the login (unless I go through recovery mode and the boot normally... god or u guys know y :))
[14:34] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, all those bugs make me warm and fuzzy inside... ;)
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, just remove wayland
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: no, when purging nvidia drivers you go back to nouveau and should be able choose wyland or xorg without black screens
[14:36] <BluesKaj> nevermind , too many cooks
[14:36] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, ahahahah
[14:36] <kostkon> BluesKaj, and zero plates on the counter
[14:37] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, lotuspsychje ok ok so I'll purge nvidia now and at login check the xorg session
[14:37] <Megalepozy> will brb, hopefully... :)
[14:37] <BluesKaj> why purge nvidia, just purge wayland
[14:38]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[14:39] <Megalepozy> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:39] <ppf> v6 stateless autoconf works in fact, but i can't actually send something via this interface
[14:39] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, but lotuspsychje told me to purge nvidia
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: its your system mate, you can try what you feel like
[14:41] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, lotuspsychje I honestly don't know which advice to follow, but since I already purged nvidia I'll restart and check for the X session, if that won't work I'll purge wayland as well, and if that wont work I'll just default to intel
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, that depends on what you want to do, right now I've lost sight of what it is you want
[14:41] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, that makes the two of us mate
[14:41] <Megalepozy> anyway brb, rebooting
[14:46] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, BluesKaj ok so when doing a login with neaveau I don't have an option to switch to X session
[14:46] <Megalepozy> which result in a frozen blank screen
[14:46] <Megalepozy> then the only way to actually login is going through the recovery mode
[14:47] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, try nomodeset
[14:47] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, whats that and how?
[14:47] <arunkumar413> Hi All, I'm having trouble installing the opencv
[14:47] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[14:47] <arunkumar413> can you please help me?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy,^
[14:47] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, k, checking
[14:48] <ppf> another fun fact: i've had two kernel panics some time back, after which the network worked
[14:51] <Borw3> I have kernel panics everyday since I came to Kernel 4.x :(
[14:51] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, ok will try now, reboot time
[14:51] <skinux> I was told yesterday I have  duplicates of a couple SO files.  (error says they are not symlinks), I'm wondering if a solution is to remove the ones with filenames with something after .so.1 ?
[14:55] <akik> skinux: don't go removing those just like that. you can check from which package they come from with "dpkg -S /path/to/file"
[14:57] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, its working! but while writing this line I got an error report and when looking at the details I c that the kernel got kernelOops error?
[14:58] <ppf> is there an alternative to the e1000e driver?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Megalepozy, as long as it works,. don't fret over the error
[14:59] <TJ-> ppf: is the Ethernet onboard the mobo ?
[15:00] <ppf> TJ-: yeah
[15:00] <TJ-> ppf: try this (since it works in Windows) http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[15:01] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, I love that answer!!
[15:01] <kostkon> Megalepozy, it might not happen again? the kernel crash/panic that is
[15:02] <Megalepozy> BluesKaj, lotuspsychje ok as b4, thanks a lot guys (or girls)! u saved my sanity (i'm messing with OS installations the last 2 days...) :D
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: i find it weird, you have same symptons on 16.04 also
[15:02] <Megalepozy> kostkon, well sadly I saw this error happen b4 with neaveau
[15:03] <ppf> TJ-: you think that's the issue?
[15:03] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, not in regard to the kernel error or at least never arrived to c it.... just started to get a blank screen and decided to just upgrade
[15:03] <ppf> it's an asus mainboard on a desktop PC. ethernet worked in the past
[15:03] <kostkon> Megalepozy, those dual vga setups always irk me
[15:04] <ppf> definitely back on xenial, and it worked for some time on zesty and then just stopped at some point
[15:04] <kostkon> Megalepozy, also nomodeset is supposed to be a stop gap measure
[15:04] <Megalepozy> kostkon, stop gap measure? what do u mean?
[15:05] <TJ-> ppf: we do see a lot of issues due to ACPI setup of platform devices not being done correctly - more recent kernels have tightened up their adherence to the ACPI specifications so buggy firmware that previously worked sometimes now fails
[15:05] <ppf> hm ... i haven't updated the bios in a while
[15:06] <kostkon> Megalepozy, well you are supposed to use get you to the desktop and then you supposedly have to fix your graphics issue/install the necessary graphics drivers
[15:06] <kostkon> it to*
[15:06] <ppf> though that might not help with the firmware of the card
[15:07] <TJ-> ppf: I thought you said the ethernet port is on the mobo? You're saying it's on an adapter card in a PCIe slot ?
[15:07] <ppf> TJ-: no, it's on the mobo, i still tend to call it a network card
[15:07] <ppf> sry
[15:08] <Jebari> t
[15:08] <ppf> TJ-: if this is a buggy firmware, should the kernel not tell me that?
[15:08] <TJ-> ppf: OK, so yes, try the acpi_osi fix, it's quick and easy
[15:08] <Megalepozy> kostkon, well lets suppose that I don't really care for high graphics as I mainly care for running an ide... is there any problem with just setting nomodeset permanently?
[15:08] <Jebari> why are these parentheses ( escaped? find dest/include \( -name .install -o -name ..install.cmd \) -delete
[15:09] <TJ-> ppf: if the kernel did that you'd never get past boot! there are so many problems the kernel ACPI interpreter has to workaround, it's full of quirks
[15:09] <kostkon> Megalepozy, no, it's just not... normal i guess
[15:09] <TJ-> Jebari: because otherwise the shell would interpret them as sub-shell markers
[15:09] <Jebari> TJ-: thanks
[15:10] <TJ-> Jebari: compare "echo  ( echo hello ) goodbye" with "echo \( echo hello \) goodbye"
[15:11] <TJ-> Jebari: scratch that! Bad example
[15:11] <Megalepozy> kostkon, after 2 days of messing with it I think that I'm fine with not normal :D
[15:11] <sftrabbit> Ubuntu 17.10 on XPS 13 9360, Chrome not detecting touchscreen input. I've found some articles suggesting to use xinput list to find touch input ID and pass --touch-devices=X to chrome, but that hasn't worked (tried every ID in xinput list, no change). Has this changed with Wayland?
[15:12] <ppf> TJ-: alright,i'm trying that
[15:12] <Jebari> TJ-: is there a work i can google or search in man pages, sub shell markers didnt show naything
[15:14] <ppf> TJ-: i'm deeply impressed
[15:15] <TJ-> Jebari: in "man bash"  "Compound Commands" section, "(list) list  is  executed  in a subshell environment ..."
[15:15] <kostkon> Megalepozy, better than nothing that's for sure
[15:16] <Jebari> TJ-: thanks
[15:16] <ppf> TJ-: thank you so much
[15:16] <TJ-> ppf: did it fix it?
[15:16] <ppf> it absolutely did
[15:16] <TJ-> ppf: great :)
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: didnt you say you had intel mode+xorg working before?
[15:20] <ppf> TJ-: actually :(
[15:20] <ppf> i just booted windows and then linux again, back to not working
[15:21] <TJ-> ppf: is Windows set to fast boot? That leaves hardware in a strange state
[15:22] <ppf> does windows 7 support that?
[15:22] <TJ-> ppf: I'll bet from a cold boot, or warm reboot Linux > Linux, it'll work fine
[15:22] <kostkon> ppf, it does afaik
[15:22] <TJ-> ppf: not sure! Is the system mobo EFI ?
[15:23] <ppf> Linux>Linux didn't help
[15:23] <ppf> cold boot didn't help in the past either
[15:23] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, it seemed to show some little quirks, didnt test it properly though
[15:23] <TJ-> ppf: does "cat /proc/cmdline" still show the acpi_osi= options?
[15:24] <ppf> TJ-: yes
[15:24] <Kurogane> Hi, anyone can help me with a problem to install apache module, here the error. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26420205/
[15:24] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, is there any advantage for intel+xorg over neaveau+nomodeset ?
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: cause that would still be better then the nomodeset workaround
[15:24] <TJ-> ppf: hmmm, can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: look at it this way, test all layouts and what works best is the best way right?
[15:25] <ppf> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26423479/
[15:25] <ppf> kostkon: i think that was introduced in win8
[15:25] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, I'm honestly starting to lose my mind, but I will follow ur advice and allocate few more hours to play with various variations, though I dont understand whats so wrong with the nomodeset solution
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: i didnt say it was wrong, but you said earlier to me you had intel mode + xorg working as a test..
[15:27] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, yup, with quirks
[15:27] <TJ-> ppf: this may seem like a strange question but... when you reboot it do you in any way disturb the ethernet patch cable connecting to the switch?
[15:27] <ppf> TJ-: no
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> Megalepozy: you also said graphics arent so important for you right, so leave your system to the best solution for you
[15:28] <TJ-> ppf: because I've seen this very symptom with a dodgy cable where the Tx line is intermittent but Rx is fine
[15:28] <TJ-> ppf: the other thing to do is disable all interface power-saving modes using ethtool
[15:29] <ppf> so, i just ran ethtool -s eno1 wol d and ethtool -K eno1 tx off
[15:29] <Megalepozy> lotuspsychje, what are the cons for using nomodeset? cause so far beside the kernel error (sounds horrible though I dont c any consequences) it seems to work
[15:29] <ppf> after a reboot ethernet is back
[15:31] <TJ-> ppf: you could try more logging with "ethtool eno1 --change msglvl <type> on" (see man ethtool)
[15:31] <ppf> i think it might be the wol stuff
[15:33] <ppf> i'm gonna binary search on the things i tried
[15:33] <ppf> (acpi, wol, tx)
[15:33] <ppf> but later, i need to do some shopping
[15:33] <ppf> thanks for the help so far, i'll report back!
[15:34] <TJ-> ppf: is the link state up ("ip link show dev eno1") ?
[15:34] <ppf> TJ-: yes, the link is oky
[15:34] <ppf> (was before, when ethernet wasn't working, as well)
[15:35] <TJ-> ppf: try a suspend/resume ("systemctl suspend")
[15:35] <ppf> to do what?
[15:35] <Megalepozy> OK everyone, I feel like I've taken way too much time from everyone, so again, thanks a lot for the amazing help I received from u! lotuspsychje BluesKaj Eric (he was here :)) and kostkon
[15:37] <TJ-> ppf: if the device isn't working after boot, a suspend/resume can sometimes kick it into life
[15:37] <TJ-> ppf: again, it's down to ACPI
[15:37] <Megalepozy> ok time to eat something, cheers!
[15:38] <ppf> i actually think it's the wake on lan setting
[15:38] <TJ-> ppf: I wonder if it related to this: Bug #1730550
[15:38] <arunkumar413> getting this error: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:38] <ppf> when i disable it it seems to get better
[15:38] <arunkumar413> but there is no other package manager running
[15:38] <ppf> TJ-: as i said, i will experiment with the settings i have now. i'll update you on how it goes
[15:39] <TJ-> ppf: hmmm, so related to power state then, sounds like the interface is starting with WoL enabled and not being made active
[15:39] <ppf> exactly
[15:39] <TJ-> ppf: is there a mobo control for WoL ?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> arunkumar413, could be your unattended upgrades at work in the background
[15:39] <ppf> the bug doesn't seem related, the link is fine
[15:39] <ppf> it's up, rx is working
[15:39] <ppf> only tx is botched
[15:40] <BluesKaj> arunkumar413, usually doesn't take more then 5 mins
[15:40] <BluesKaj> than
[15:40] <TJ-> ppf: is it a multiport or only a single?
[15:41] <ppf> single
[15:41] <ppf> don't know if there's a wol setting on the board, will check
[15:41] <TJ-> ppf: that rules out the port A is WoL only issue, too
[15:41] <Guest92608> hello, how do you configure keyboard shortcuts in ubuntu 17.10.
[15:42] <Guest92608> i upgraded to 17.10 and now i have a keyboard shortcut i don't want and there's nothing in the settings for changing it
[15:43] <TJ-> ppf: another possibility is if the system is using Intel AMT enabled in BIOS PHY wakeup doesn't get configured.
[15:44] <TJ-> ppf: OK, got it! And I'm stupid, I fixed this a few weeks ago for someone else but forgot. Go into Windows device manager for the adapter and DISABLE The Windows WoL settings
[15:47] <riqdiiz> hi all is it possible to install ide drive on raspberry pi 3?
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> riqdiiz: the #ubuntu-arm channel might know that one
[15:50] <BluesKaj> riqdiiz, it's possible but you would need an ide connectable outboard  enclosure with a compatible  power supply
[15:51] <BluesKaj> riqdiiz, a usb to ide cable
[15:56] <BluesKaj> riqdiiz, something like this should work, https://www.ebay.ca/itm/USB-2-0-3-5-IDE-HARD-DRIVE-ENCLOSURE-EXTERNAL-CASE-NEW/390821008019?hash=item5afebf5293:g:ICMAAOSwLghZt4jI
[16:01] <riqdiiz> Blueskaj normal ide drive can run on USB voltage?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> riqdiiz, those ide compataible usb enclosures come with a proper power supply, yes
[16:04] <riqdiiz> I'll try that though. Thanks.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> i have 2 usb to sata enclosures
[16:04] <BluesKaj> with power suppliea
[16:05] <BluesKaj> suplies
[16:14] <phillijw> alright duders, how do I fix this screen tearing. Happens worst wiht video but also when I'm just dragging a window around
[16:14] <phillijw> one monitor is on an amd radeon videocard, other monitor is on intel graphics
[16:16] <aniket_> exit
[16:37] <ramiz> Hey there
[16:38] <phillijw> hey buddy
[16:38] <ramiz> whats up
[16:38] <phillijw> oh you know... things
[16:38] <ramiz> No, don't. What kind of things?
[16:39] <phillijw> just trying to use linux without hating it
[16:39] <ramiz> It's easy when u have windows in other machine
[16:39] <ramiz> I do
[16:39] <Aktron> Hi. I need help. I am getting for http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty info that the page is not found.
[16:40] <phillijw> I uninstalled win10 because it pissed me off too many times
[16:40] <Aktron> so when I do apt-get update I get errors and can't use most of the stuff from apt-get :-(
[16:40] <ramiz> What are u using right now?
[16:40] <brainwash> !eolupgrade
[16:41] <phillijw> me? ubuntu 16.04
[16:41] <phillijw> Screen Tearing Edition
[16:41] <ramiz> unity?
[16:42] <phillijw> I think so
[16:42] <strive> lol
[16:42] <ramiz> I'm on elementary OS
[16:42] <ramiz> based on ubuntu 16.04.3
[16:42] <ramiz> working there
[16:43] <phillijw> uname -a
[16:43] <phillijw> oops
[16:43] <ramiz> :D
[16:43] <ramiz> Checking your kernel ver?
[16:44] <phillijw> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS and 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu
[16:44] <ramiz> I'm on 4.14.11-041411-generic
[16:45] <ramiz> upgraded after news about meltdown/spectre
[16:45] <ramiz> It was patched
[16:45] <phillijw> what version did they patch?
[16:46] <ramiz> 4.14.11 and some others
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> !usn | phillijw
[16:46] <ramiz> Google has information about this
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> !google | ramiz
[16:47] <phillijw> I only asked because you brought it up :)
[16:47] <phillijw> I need to fix this screen tearing crap
[16:48] <ramiz> You think it's because of kernel?
[16:48] <ramiz> afk
[16:48] <phillijw> Nope. I think it's because x11 settings have vsync off. I can't figure out how to turn it on without crashing everything though
[16:49] <Aktron> Anyone knows why I get "not found" for official zesty archives (http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu) ?
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Aktron: brainwash suggested zesty is end of life for you
[16:49] <Aktron> so the repositories were taken down?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> Aktron: end of life means, support is no longer
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> Aktron: please install a supported version from our topic
[16:51] <Aktron> lotuspsychje: Yep. But taking down a repository because of the version is no longer supported is rather tough. Is it even possible? I have never experienced this...
[16:52] <Urbanecm> Aktron, maybe because you never expierenced reaching ubuntu it's endoflife? :D
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> Aktron: when you installed zesty, you agreed its only support 9months right?
[16:52] <brainwash> Aktron: please start reading that linked wiki article https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[16:52] <Urbanecm> anyway, I suggest looking at sudo do-release-upgrade ;)
[16:52] <brainwash> the information is there
[16:53] <ramiz> .
[16:53] <ramiz> Here.
[16:53] <Aktron> lotuspsychje: I mean this is a great way to convince people to upgrade :-) But umm... I wouldn't expect the end of support meaning taking down the repo ;-)
[16:53] <Aktron> lotuspsychje: But I got your point anyway...
[16:53] <Aktron> Err https://archive.canonical.com artful InRelease
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> Aktron: if you need long time support, choose an LTS ubuntu version next time?
[16:54] <Aktron> well apparently even the new repo is taken down :-(
[16:56] <savelyev> hi all
[16:56] <Aktron> This looks more like a network issue than end of life of a distro
[16:56] <ramiz> Hi, savelyev
[16:56] <ramiz> savelyev: what do you think about vjlink?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> Aktron: when you keep using an EOL version, many things can go wrong
[16:57] <savelyev> i dont know what is it))
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> Aktron: thats why its important you upgrade 'before' its going eol
[16:57] <Aktron> lotuspsychje: even when you want to install a new distro to have the repository been missing ;-) ?
[16:58] <yeats> Aktron: you are an excellent candidate for using LTS versions ;-)
[16:59] <Urbanecm> yeats, how can Aktron upgrade w/o reinstalling?
[16:59] <yeats> looks like they left :-/
[17:00] <yeats> Urbanecm: I was about to recommend a reinstall of 16.04 and was going to offer help in doing so if needed
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> Urbanecm: there is eolupgrade, but that still holds a risk, depending of how long a users has used the eol version security-wise
[17:00] <yeats> system administration is sometimes learned the hard way :-/
[17:01] <sxo_> only sometimes? if it doesn't end up in a kernel panic i've learnt nothing!
[17:01] <koolkalang> Hi everyone - is there a way to get xfce(xubuntu) keybindings into regular ubuntu-desktop
[17:02] <koolkalang> I mean with things like resize, minimize, maximize, etc
[17:02] <yeats> sxo_: :-)
[17:03] <Urbanecm> lotuspsychje, eolupgrade is...package? Command? Or something else?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | Urbanecm
[17:04] <yeats> koolkalang: (assuming 17.10+) the GNOME tweak tool may offer some options for that - you might also look into https://extensions.gnome.org/
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> Urbanecm: its the technique to still be able to upgrade properly
[17:04] <yeats> koolkalang: but GNOME is not nearly as customizable as xfce
[17:04] <Urbanecm> lotuspsychje, I've READ that page
[17:04] <koolkalang> yeats: ty, will look into those, and yep it's originally a xubuntu ISO that I decided to give ubuntu a try
[17:05] <Urbanecm> There is said some installation should be done. But how, when the repos are gone ;)?
[17:05] <koolkalang> in 17.10
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> Urbanecm: thats why you need to add new repos to do the upgrade
[17:05] <yeats> Urbanecm: the repos are available for a brief window after support ends - it used to not be so short
[17:05] <Urbanecm> yeats, it is possible to upgrade AFTER the window is over?
[17:06] <yeats> Urbanecm: probably, with difficulty
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> Urbanecm: the longer the user uses the eol version the more risk of !usn
[17:06] <Urbanecm> lotuspsychje, what's !usn?
[17:06] <yeats> Urbanecm: btw, this isn't just Ubuntu - all distros are similar this way - even the longer release ones like Debian & CentOS
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> !usn | Urbanecm
[17:07] <koolkalang> yeats: is there a distro out there that's as 'nice' as ubuntu-desktop but w/ the customization of xubuntu-desktop?
[17:07] <brainwash> koolkalang: MATE
[17:07] <yeats> koolkalang: you might look into MATE or Cinnamon
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | koolkalang
[17:07] <TJ-> Urbanecm: do-release-upgrade is perfectly possibly even years afterwards provided the apt sources.list is altered to point to the http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ server
[17:08] <yeats> TJ-: oh - that's good to know - I haven't hit that issue as an end user in several years
[17:13] <phillijw> random question: Do yall install plex in a VM or docker container or something? Seems like it makes more sense to do that than directly on the machine
[17:15] <koolkalang> yeats: oh neat the gnome tweaks have cpas-lock options builtin
[17:15] <koolkalang> s/cpas/caps/
[17:21] <phillijw> In osx (and launchy for windows) I use alt+space to pop up a "helper" application. Does such a thing exist in ubuntu?
[17:22] <phillijw> maybe that's what synapse is...
[17:27] <nofacetimber> Help please, Ubuntu Server unresponsive on boot black screen.
[17:27] <phillijw> hold shift while booting to go into grub boot loader
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> nofacetimber: #ubuntu-server to the rescue
[17:28] <nofacetimber> Okay so am running a dual boot with windows, and am in the GNU GRUB menu
[17:29] <nofacetimber> *Ubuntu, Advanced options for Ubuntu, Windows 10 (loader)
[17:31] <TJ-> nofacetimber: highlight "Ubuntu", press 'e' to edit the entry, navigate down to the line starting "linux ...", remove "quiet splash" and add "debug" then press Ctrl+X or F10 to boot with those changes. You'll get verbose logging
[17:33] <nofacetimber> Thanks TJ- unfortunately its still just a blank black screen.  Once I hit restart on my computer it begins to run but by that point it's shutdown :(
[17:34] <TJ-> nofacetimber: do you see GRUB report "Loading linux..." "Loading initrd..." before that?
[17:35] <TJ-> nofacetimber: have you connected multiple monitors?
[17:36] <nofacetimber> Just one monitor and I am not seeing any output
[17:36] <nofacetimber> once I start the boot up
[17:37] <TJ-> nofacetimber: but you get the grub boot menu and can edit the entry as I described ?
[17:37] <nofacetimber> Yes sir
[17:37] <TJ-> nofacetimber: which release of ubuntu is it?
[17:38] <TJ-> nofacetimber: Try editing the kernel command-line again in the same way but in addition add " earlyprintk=vga" before pressing Ctrl+X
[17:38] <osman> hello
[17:38] <nofacetimber>  earlyprintk=vga on the same line as the debug?
[17:39] <nofacetimber> I believe its ubuntu server 16.04
[17:39] <TJ-> nofacetimber: correct; it's an additional kernel command-lne option, it causes the kernel to report messages very early
[17:39] <osman> how are you
[17:40] <osman> i need help
[17:40] <nofacetimber> dang no luck :(, I don't know if this is helpful but this is a fresh install and the first time I go after fresh installing everything works as expected.
[17:41] <TJ-> nofacetimber: something very weird there if you get nothing, that sounds like the kernel image is corrupted
[17:41] <nofacetimber> What I was doing was trying to enable wifi
[17:41] <nofacetimber> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/how-configure-wifi-card-using-command-line-or-terminal
[17:41] <nofacetimber> Once I enable the wifi adapter I rebooted
[17:41] <nofacetimber> and then I got the black screen
[17:43] <TJ-> nofacetimber: you'll need to boot from a LiveISO > Try Ubuntu session  so we can diagnose and fix it from a stable platform
[17:46] <nofacetimber> Okay i'll give it a go
[17:48] <nofacetimber> Whats the difference between Install Ubuntu Server and Install Ubuntu Server with th?
[17:48] <Borw3> What is best Ubuntu distro?
[17:48] <Borw3> :)
[17:49] <ikonia> which ever one you like the best
[17:49] <Ussat> best is opinion, what do you want to do
[17:49] <Borw3> I want to do programming :)
[17:50] <ikonia> so try the ubuntu builds and see what you like
[17:50] <ikonia> also see which tools you want to use and consider if they support your desktop native
[17:50] <Borw3> ikonia: What is your best?
[17:51] <ikonia> doesn't matter
[17:51] <Borw3> Ussat: What is your best?
[17:51] <ikonia> what matters is what you like and what tools you use
[17:52] <senaa> hello, why my ubuntu 17.10 freeze when watch video ?
[17:52] <Ussat> I dont have a "best" is use what tool I need for the Job. I manage servers, I run RHEL, Ubuntu and AIX servers
[17:52] <mbnt> Hi, I moved a folder to my trash bin, and the move failed. Then I remembered that there is a folder needed, So the folder is still on my hard drive, but the content is gone. If the move failed, what happened to the content?
[17:52] <senaa> hello, why my ubuntu 17.10 freeze when watch video ?
[17:53] <Ussat> REally, if you want to "program" and you need to define that a bit better, ANY *nix will do
[17:53] <Ussat> Hell, even windows + wsl will do.....its not really a Ubuntu question really
[17:54] <almoxarife[m]> mbnt (IRC): the 'locate' command may be of help
[17:54] <Borw3> I am on Debian currently, but I am realising all software/games are being made with ubuntu as main target and we don't have repos for them on debian :(
[17:54] <ikonia> Borw3: I don't believe that statement is anywhere near true
[17:54] <Ussat> WAT ?
[17:54] <TJ-> mbnt: is the 'moved' dir/files in "ls -al ~/.Trash-$(id -u)"  ?
[17:55] <Borw3> ikonia: For example zeal docs, there is an ubuntu repo for latest version, none for debian :(
[17:56] <ikonia> https://zealdocs.org/download.html#linux
[17:56] <ikonia> Borw3: it's in the official debian repo
[17:56] <mbnt> TJ-, It did not make it to the trash bin
[17:56] <mbnt> So I have the files on my hard drive, but the contents are empty
[17:57] <Borw3> ikonia: The old one is, :(
[17:57] <TJ-> mbnt: that sounds more like a disk failure, move operations just move the dirent to another location, they don't touch the files themselves
[17:57] <BillD73> what tty command can issue to see what my "locale" are, the language etc.
[17:58] <Xard> on ubuntu 16.04 after the meltdown patches the current virtualbox ( 5.0.40-dfsg-0ubuntu1.16.04.2 ) seems hard lockup the whole os every time I try to start any VM
[17:59] <Xard> no network activity, input frozen and no error logs
[17:59] <Borw3> Xard: It's the new 4.13 kernel :(
[17:59] <Xard> so it's known problem
[18:00] <ikonia> Borw3: the PPA is unsupported
[18:00] <ikonia> Borw3: do you need the latest version with zero support ?
[18:00] <mbnt> TJ-, It is not a disk failure
[18:00] <ikonia> or do is the one with repo and distro support acceptable ?
[18:00] <Xard> if it's kernel panic shouldn't it at least give some output like flash keyboard leds etc?
[18:01] <ikonia> actuallyno
[18:01] <ikonia> thats what a panic is
[18:01] <Borw3> ikonia: I don't need direct distro support, it's just some tools even like woeusb have repos on ubuntu, and not in debian :(
[18:03] <almoxarife[m]> Borw3 (IRC): debian holds to a higher standard, seems simpler to install ubuntu and enjoy both options
[18:04] <ikonia> Borw3: up to you what you use, but I've found 2 packages for woeusb on debian in about 20 seconds of looking
[18:04] <Borw3> Here I come Ubuntu :)
[18:04] <Ussat> Higher standard of what ? they have different standards, I woul dnot really say higher
[18:04] <ikonia> it seems amusing to suggest a higher standard when ubuntu is built from debian
[18:04] <ikonia> it's the same actual packages for the base, so how can the standard be different
[18:08] <Borw3> Even if Ubuntu have removed a buggy patch for Metldown/Spectre, I don't think Debian have removed anything :(
[18:08] <ikonia> Borw3: you're very incorrect then
[18:11] <Ussat> um
[18:13] <mbnt> Okay, the files I am looking for had an .flv extension, how to I go through the hard drive and find the .flv files? I tried search via Thunar/Dolphin and nothing so far
[18:18] <Borw3> If I install Ubuntu 17.10 and upgrade to 18.04LTS, will I still get prompts to upgrade to 18.10 or?
[18:18] <kostkon> mbnt, simple:  locate *.flv   more powerful:  man find
[18:18] <TJ-> mbnt: "sudo find / -type f -name '*.flv' -ls "
[18:19] <koolkalang> So if ubuntu-studio is just xubuntu+programs, could I just get the ubuntu studio programs as a package into xubuntu?
[18:20] <TJ-> Borw3: if you start from 17.10 then likely yes, but it depends on the "Prompt=" setting in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[18:20] <ikonia> there used to be an ubuntustudio meta package
[18:20] <ikonia> have a look if it's still there
[18:20] <TJ-> !info ubuntu-studio
[18:20] <koolkalang> ah well
[18:21] <TJ-> !info ubuntustudio-desktop
[18:21] <koolkalang> but ubuntu-studio didn't extra drivers right? it basically just uses the ubuntu drivers?
[18:21] <Borw3> TJ-: Lets say I go from .10 to an .04, and want to upgrade only in the next LTS, will it be possible?
[18:21] <koolkalang> *didn't have
[18:21] <akik> koolkalang: there's a repository called kxstudio that has most of the audio programs, compatible with ubuntu
[18:21] <TJ-> Borw3: you mean 17.10 > 18.04 LTS then stick until 10.04 LTS ?
[18:22] <kostkon> TJ-, 20.04 ;)
[18:22] <Borw3> TJ-: LOL 20.04, yeah
[18:22] <koolkalang> akik: is there one that's graphics(3D/compositing/video editing) related?
[18:22] <TJ-> kostkon: lol yeah, I thought I was in a timewarp
[18:22] <TJ-> Borw3: yes, as long as release-upgrades has "Prompt=lts"
[18:23] <kostkon> TJ-, everybody does, 21st century dating is confusing
[18:23] <akik> koolkalang: sorry i don't know. kxstudio is for audio
[18:23] <sanjarkhan> hey there! i getting squashfs errors while booting live cd. my ram's are healty i tested with memtest and windows ram diagnostic
[18:23] <sanjarkhan> my pc is msi gp62 6qe
[18:23] <TJ-> kostkon: "1" is too close to the "2" on the keyboard :p
[18:23] <kostkon> TJ-, also that
[18:23] <ioria> !info ubuntustudio-video | koolkalang
[18:23] <TJ-> kostkon: just like that Hawaii Missle Warning user interface :p
[18:24] <kostkon> TJ-, lol that's on a different level
[18:25] <TJ-> kostkon: I bet it was "press 1 for real warning, press 2 for test" :D
[18:25] <koolkalang> ioria: ah I see the related packages in the sidebar, ty
[18:26] <kostkon> TJ-, more red button green button and someone that didn't know he's colourblind at the controls :P
[18:26] <kostkon> like*
[18:26] <ioria> koolkalang, ok, there is also a ubuntustudio-graphics pkg
[18:28] <koolkalang> ioria: yep I think I can get everything I need from those packages there
[18:28] <ioria> oky
[18:33] <pellefant66> hi, probs with ?grapic card? It wont start properly, returns to login screen
[18:34] <TJ-> pellefant66: can your user log-in via a console with Ctrl+Alt+F2 ?
[18:35] <ioria> pellefant66, some details ? ubuntu version, desktop , kernel , video card and module in use ?
[18:35] <pellefant66> TJ, Yes i'm on cli and startx
[18:36] <ioria> pellefant66, ls -al ~/.Xauthority
[18:37] <pellefant66> ioria, 16.04 radeon HD 5430/5450/5470
[18:37] <ioria> pellefant66, ok,   ls -al ~/.Xauthority  ?
[18:38] <TJ-> pellefant66: "find $HOME \! -user $UID -ls" to check for files not owned by your user
[18:42] <pellefant66> sorry iora and TJ please once again, what command should I give?
[18:43] <ioria> pellefant66, both, paste tha output on paste.ubuntu.com
[18:43] <TJ-> pellefant66: "find $HOME \! -user $UID -ls" to check for files not owned by your user - if key files are owned by 'root' user it can prevent your user from logging in
[18:43] <ioria> pellefant66, the first one , you can paste here
[18:54] <pellefant66> TJ :root@nilssonbiarese:~# $HOME \! -user $UID
[18:54] <pellefant66> bash: /home/biarese: Är en katalog
[18:55] <ioria> pellefant66, let's try this :   ls -al $HOME  | nc termbin.com 9999       paste here the url you got
[18:56] <pellefant66> root@nilssonbiarese:~# ls -al ~/.Xauthority  ?
[18:56] <pellefant66> -rw-rw-r-- 1 biarese biarese   0 jun 19  2016 0
[18:56] <pellefant66> -rw------- 1 root    root    167 jan 20 09:17 /home/biarese/.Xauthority
[18:56] <pellefant66> root@nilssonbiarese:~#
[18:56] <ioria> pellefant66, your Xauthoruty is wrong
[18:56] <pellefant66> ioria ok, what to do?
[18:57] <ioria> pellefant66,  you need to   sudo chown $USER:$USER  ~/.Xauthority, but before execute the command above
[18:58] <ioria> pellefant66,  this:    ls -al $HOME  | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:58] <pellefant66> ok ioria i'll try again
[19:00] <pellefant66> root@nilssonbiarese:~# ls -al $HOME  | nc termbin.com 9999http://termbin.com/id0ku
[19:00] <pellefant66> root@nilssonbiarese:~#
[19:03] <ioria> pellefant66,   sudo chown $USER:$USER  ~/.Xauthority     and sudo chown -R $USER  ~/.gvfs
[19:05] <pellefant66> iora root@nilssonbiarese:~# sudo chown $USER:$USER  ~/.Xauthorityroot@nilssonbiarese:~# sudo chown -R $USER  ~/.gvfschown: byter ägare av '/home/biarese/.gvfs': Funktion inte implementerad
[19:06] <pellefant66> iora: this function is not implemented
[19:06] <BillD73> on unity with workspaces, I want to place shortcuts on the desktop, i.e. say workspace 3 I want to put shortcut tty that directly open ssh terms already logged in for local systems, any suggestions?  I have 1 ubuntu tower and 2 Pis running osmc and 1 pi running raspbian. I just want to click their named icon and have it open and login with prompting me for the password.
[19:06] <BillD73> err without prompting me
[19:07] <ioria> pellefant66,   sudo chown   biarese:biarese   ~/.Xauthority
[19:08] <pellefant66> ioria and then?
[19:08] <ioria> pellefant66,   why are you root ?
[19:09] <pellefant66> well I really dont know but as it did not start at all I logged in on ICL and then ran startx
[19:10] <ioria> pellefant66,  don't do it;   now    .Xauthority is owned by biarese ?   ls -al ~/.Xauthority
[19:11] <pellefant66> ls -al ~/.Xauthority
[19:12] <pellefant66> ioria: -rw------- 1 biarese biarese 167 jan 20 09:17 /home/biarese/.Xauthority
[19:12] <pellefant66> root@nilssonbiarese:~#
[19:12] <ioria> pellefant66,   ok,  sudo chown   -R biarese:biarese   ~/.gvfs
[19:13] <pellefant66> ioria :
[19:13] <pellefant66> sudo chown   -R biarese:biarese   ~/.gvfschown: byter ägare av '/home/biarese/.gvfs': Funktion inte implementerad
[19:13] <pellefant66> root@nilssonbiarese:~#
[19:14] <ikonia> you can't use ~ if you're root
[19:14] <pellefant66> Funktionen inte implementerad =function not implemented
[19:14] <ioria> pellefant66,   ok,  can you exit from 'root' and login (in text mode) as your user biarese
[19:14] <ikonia> and gvs file system permissions shouldn't be changed or wrong
[19:15] <ikonia> what has happened to make them wrong ?
[19:15] <pellefant66> ok I guess thats a reboot
[19:16] <ioria> pellefant66,   nope, sudo login
[19:17] <pellefant66> ioria i'm in...
[19:18] <ioria> pellefant66,   run 'id'
[19:18] <pellefant66> ioria ,uid=1000(biarese) gid=1000(biarese) grupper=1000(biarese),4(adm),7(lp),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),124(sambashare)
[19:19] <pellefant66> biarese@nilssonbiarese:~$
[19:19] <ioria> pellefant66,  ls -alR ~/.gvfs     | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:20] <pellefant66> ioria, biarese@nilssonbiarese:~$ sudo ls -alR ~/.gvfs     | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:20] <pellefant66> [sudo] password for biarese:
[19:20] <pellefant66> http://termbin.com/x3ae
[19:21] <ioria> pellefant66,  ls -ld /home/biarese
[19:22] <pellefant66> ioria, biarese@nilssonbiarese:~$ ls -ld /home/biarese
[19:22] <pellefant66> drwxr-xr-x 49 biarese biarese 4096 jan 20 19:50 /home/biarese
[19:25] <ioria> pellefant66,  sudo chmod 700 ~/.gvfs
[19:27] <pellefant66> ioria, and then?
[19:27] <ioria> pellefant66,  sudo chown -R biarese:biarese ~/.gvfs
[19:29] <pellefant66> ioria, biarese@nilssonbiarese:~$ sudo chown -R biarese:biarese ~/.gvfschown: byter ägare av '/home/biarese/.gvfs': Funktion inte implementerad
[19:30] <pellefant66> ioria, it sais, byter ägare= changing owner, funtionen inte implemnterad, Fuction not implmented
[19:31] <ioria> pellefant66,     ls -ld  ~/.gvfs
[19:32] <pellefant66> ioria, biarese@nilssonbiarese:~$ sudo ls -ld  ~/.gvfs
[19:32] <pellefant66> dr-x------ 2 root root 0 jan 20 10:39 /home/biarese/.gvfs
[19:33] <ioria> pellefant66,    ok, can you reboot and try to login ?
[19:34] <pellefant66> ioria, yes it seems like a good idea
[19:34] <koen_> Hey guys
[19:35] <koen_> sorry for falling in like this but i have a problem with my nvidia gt520m video card and my old TV
[19:35] <koen_> im having a overscan problem and cant fix it in nvidia-settings
[19:36] <koen_> xrandr i tried.. but i only managed to get him to allign my top left corner.. but not the size
[19:36] <koen_> tv has no pc mode .. its too old
[19:36] <koen_> help appreciated
[19:37] <biarese> ioria?
[19:38] <pellefant66> ioria?
[19:38] <ioria> pellefant66,    yes
[19:39] <pellefant66> it seems like it works a bit. It did a proper login
[19:40] <ioria> pellefant66,    ok, but that folder still owned by 'root' ?
[19:40] <pellefant66> iora, what command shall I give?
[19:40] <ioria> pellefant66,     ls -ld  ~/.gvfs
[19:41] <pellefant66> ioria, biarese@nilssonbiarese:~$ ls -ld  ~/.gvfs
[19:41] <pellefant66> drwx------ 2 biarese biarese 4096 mar  4  2015 /home/biarese/.gvfs
[19:41] <VolK> will xubuntu let me run an XMR cpu miner?
[19:41] <ioria> pellefant66,    that's ok, now
[19:42] <pellefant66> That's it? :-)
[19:42] <ioria> pellefant66,  what did you do before the issue ?
[19:43] <pellefant66> Well it wasnt me and it was an ordinary shut down.
[19:44] <pellefant66> when i started to fix this i managed to login  and ran startx
[19:44] <pellefant66> i.e login via CLI
[19:44] <ioria> pellefant66, i mean, why did you end up in this condition ? just a normal shutdown   ? really ..
[19:44] <pellefant66> well so i've been told
[19:44] <TJ-> pellefant66: you ran "startx" or "sudo startx" ?
[19:45] <pellefant66> I think sudo startx
[19:46] <TJ-> pellefant66: right... and sudo becomes the 'root' user then runs a program, which causes the files in your home directory to be owned by root
[19:46] <TJ-> pellefant66: if you ever feel the need to do that again use "sudo -i <command>" because that will switch to 'root' user's home directory (/root/)
[19:48] <pellefant66> ok TJ, I did not know of tha
[19:49] <pellefant66> Anyhow I'm happy now TJ and Ioria, ioria, Gracias mille!
[19:50] <ioria> pellefant66, ok, if you need to start X manually  use sudo service lightdm restart
[19:51] <pellefant66> ioria , I followed a guide that told me to use startx
[19:52] <pellefant66> ioria, but now I will be a nice boy and not temper wuth commands that I do not understand...I think :-)
[19:54] <Pettis> I'm in a initramfs shell trying to get my xenial server to boot. When I look at mdadm --detail one drive is listed with State = 'removed' and three as State = 'active' -- is this a sign of something wrong on a RAID10?
[19:54] <ioria> pellefant66, :þ
[19:55] <ikonia> it shows a device being removed from the array
[19:56] <Pettis> ikonia: should I try and rebuild the array or ?
[19:57] <ikonia> is the array starting ?
[19:57] <alpha_Aquila> Ça pète comme pseudo , non?
[20:00] <alpha_Aquila> !fr|alpha_Aquila
[20:00] <alpha_Aquila> !fr | alpha_Aquila
[20:01] <TJ-> Pettis: if a drive is shown as removed find out why first, because you risk losing data if something else goes wrong
[20:01] <alpha_Aquila> !fr | alpha_Aquila
[20:01] <alpha_Aquila> !fr|alpha_Aquila
[20:02] <alpha_Aquila> r
[20:02] <alpha_Aquila> 
[20:06] <Apachez> for software which ubuntu didnt fully converted to wayland, are there any workaround which doesnt involve logout/login to get x11 for a specific tool? like bleachbit (root) among others doesnt work in wayland
[20:06] <Pettis> ikonia: cat /proc/mdstat says it is active on /dev/md0. When I used the recovery shell on a live USB I could select /dev/mapper/myservername-vg/root as the filesystem and I could access home directories, etc. but in initramfs only /dev/mapper/myservername-vg-swap_1 exists and cannot be mounted to /root
[20:08] <akik> Apachez: the fix is running: "xhost +si:localuser:root" beforehand
[20:09] <ioria> if it works, because it's not in the design
[20:10] <akik> yea i wonder why this was not taken into consideration before the release
[20:10] <akik> last time i ran xhost was some time in 2000 or so
[20:11] <ioria> i guess ubuntu 'won't fix' as far as upstream wayland devs 'won't  fix'
[20:17] <claire_> hi
[20:18] <Apachez> I finally found out how to move the app list from bottom left to top left: gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-apps-at-top true
[20:18] <Apachez> odd that things like that wasnt included in the settings
[20:19] <Apachez> +1 at least to be able to move close/minimize/maximize to the left or the right through settings
[20:19] <Apachez> now I only need to find out how to get back "Desktop" in the shortlist when you use open file in gedit
[20:20] <TJ-> Apachez: isn't that due to Gnome planning to phase out Desktop entirely ?
[20:22] <Apachez> huh?
[20:22] <Apachez> now I need to click on Home, scroll down to Desktop and click on that
[20:23] <Apachez> instead of having it on the shortlist to the left where I already got Home, Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos, Rubbish bin, + Other locations
[20:23] <Apachez> speaking of which I have no idea why and how my trash bin got renamed into Rubbish bin
[20:23] <Apachez> also would like to have the trash can on the left dock instead of onto the desktop
[20:24] <Pettis> Apachez: sounds like British English is selected as the language...
[20:24] <Apachez> but when I try to drag and drop the trash can from the desktop onto the dock in 17.10 it just doesnt stick
[20:24] <Apachez> Pettis: not according to settings -> region & language
[20:24] <Apachez> Language: English (United States)
[20:24] <Pettis> Apachez: lol, no idea then
[20:26] <TJ-> Apachez: Gnome are phasing out the Desktop metaphor support: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/46
[20:27] <ioria> Apachez, renamed where ? in ~/.local/share      ?  instead of Trash  ?
[20:28] <Xard> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 Trash is Trash at least in ubuntu 16.04
[20:28] <Apachez> ioria: when you run gedit and select open file
[20:29] <Apachez> in that shortlist to the left with Home, Documents, Downloads etc you see Rubbish bin instead of Trash can
[20:29] <Apachez> https://askubuntu.com/questions/85241/how-can-i-change-the-name-rubbish-bin-to-trash-or-recycle
[20:29] <Apachez> seems related
[20:29] <Apachez> will have to logout and verify what language the loginscreen has
[20:29] <Apachez> brb
[20:31] <Apachez> found a fix
[20:31] <ioria> tell us
[20:32] <Apachez> in settings region & languages make sure "English (Australia)" is BELOW "English" (that is it becomes grayed out)
[20:32] <Apachez> now "Rubbish bin" is named "Trash" in nautilus
[20:32] <Apachez> also after you change the region & langugages reboot the box (logout/login would probably work too)
[20:33] <ioria> ok,  no aussi then
[20:33] <Xard> so you probably were using en_AU.UTF-8 locale
[20:33] <Apachez> TJ-: darn, I really hate that they removed Desktop from the shortlist - do you know of any way to adding it back without recompiling stuff? like some conf file or such?
[20:33] <Apachez> Xard: funny thing is that English (United States) was first in that list
[20:33] <Apachez> and also the selected langauge
[20:34] <Xard> strange
[20:34] <Xard> though locale issues can be very annoying
[20:34] <Apachez> Now that list have "English (United States)" first and "English" second
[20:34] <Quenz> I just enabled the nvidia-340 driver (proprietary, tested) in Additional Drivers in Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS and now when I boot, all I see is some test in the corner with some green "[ OK ]"s that flashes every five seconds.
[20:34] <Apachez> and the other installed languages is grayed out (because they are below "English")
[20:35] <Apachez> Quenz: how many monitoroutputs do you got?
[20:35] <Apachez> perhaps it was switched which is first monitor output
[20:35] <Apachez> and since you newly installed the drivers the other outputs are disabled by default
[20:35] <Apachez> once you enable them you can make them into expanded or mirrored mode depending on your needs
[20:35] <Apachez> just a thought..
[20:36] <TJ-> Apachez: I've never used Gnome
[20:36] <Xard> i hope they didn't remove the desktop folder though
[20:36] <Apachez> TJ-: so no 17.10 and onwards for you? ;)
[20:36] <Quenz> Apachez just one, it's a laptop with no other monitor attatched
[20:36] <Apachez> the Desktop folder is still within your home folder
[20:36] <Xard> i know they had some technical issues with the current desktop implementation
[20:36] <Apachez> but now I need to click one extra time and scroll and look for the desktopfolder
[20:36] <Apachez> instead of just leftclick on the shortcuts to the left
[20:37] <ioria> Quenz, 340 it's a bit old ... what's your card ?
[20:37] <Xard> i'm using desktop icons extensively with the things i'm working with like as in... the desktop
[20:37] <TJ-> Apachez: I've never used Unity either; I use console or Xubuntu primarily
[20:37] <Apachez> bah! :)
[20:37] <Apachez> also how to move the clock to the right side in gnome? :P
[20:37] <Xard> so i really hope it's a temporary stray in from the "DESKTOP" paradigm ;<
[20:38] <Apachez> for the past days my eyes go to the right and my brain gets a context switch of "wait what wheres the clock!?"
[20:38] <Apachez> and I start to look for it just to find it in the middle of the screen =)
[20:40] <TJ-> I don't see the point of a desktop because to see/interact with it the applications have to be mimised/hidden, so keeping things in a 'regular' directory makes more sense
[20:40] <Quenz> ioria NVIDIA GeForce 9400M
[20:41] <ioria> Quenz, so you can't login at all ? are you in console right now ?
[20:41] <Quenz> No console, just like some messages that show on boot ioria
[20:42] <ioria> Quenz, ctrl+alt+f1  (or f2)
[20:42] <skinux> Hey guys, I've been searching around and cannot find full instructions for solving this problem. https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[20:42] <Quenz> ioria Doesn't do anything, still have flashing messages
[20:43] <ioria> Quenz, are you on xenial 16.04 ? or what ?
[20:43] <Quenz> I can hardly read them because they only flash every 5 secs for a split second
[20:43] <zhaoliangliu> 12:43 *** untoreh JOIN
[20:44] <Quenz> ioria Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS. I dunno if that's xenial
[20:44] <Apachez> didnt locate any setting in gsettings to move the clock to the right
[20:44] <ioria> Quenz, and you are not able to open a console ?
[20:44] <Quenz> ioria that's right
[20:45] <Apachez> TJ-: sure but for us who occansionally stores things at the desktop its very annoying to have that shortcut being removed
[20:45] <Apachez> I mean it should be optional if you want it or not
[20:45] <Quenz> I could get a console by going into recovery mode
[20:45] <Apachez> now it seems like its being removed from the sourcecode all together so I need to recompile gnome to get it back?
[20:45] <Xard> and speaking of locales it would be nice to change only the dates to display in iso 8601 format
[20:46] <ioria> Quenz, it's weird, but ok ...    mount -o remount,rw /
[20:46] <TJ-> Apachez: I think it'll be handled by some kind of plug-in rather than being a core part of the file manager
[20:47] <ioria> Quenz,  when you're in root shell , i mean
[20:47] <Apachez> oooh
[20:47] <Apachez> found a workaround :)
[20:47] <Apachez> locate the desktop icon in your home folder
[20:47] <Apachez> drag and drop it to the left side of nautilus
[20:47] <Apachez> now its being stored as a "bookmark"
[20:48] <Apachez> and is visible when you try to open file through gedit etc :)
[20:48] <Apachez> "problem solved, NEXT!" :D
[20:48] <Quenz> ioria done
[20:48] <Quenz> reboot?
[20:48] <ioria> Quenz,  apt-get purge nvidia*
[20:50] <Quenz> ioria done
[20:51] <ioria> Quenz,  rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:52] <Quenz> ioria No such file or directory
[20:52] <ioria> Quenz,  ok .... exit and reboot
[20:52] <ioria> Quenz,  also sudo reboot
[20:56] <Apachez> great, next problem with 17.10...(upgraded from 17.04) - I have ntp installed and configured, it works when I start/stop it through /etc/init.d/ntp start   and ntp stop, its S03ntp in rc2-5
[20:56] <Apachez> but it still doesnt start up after I reboot this box
[20:56] <Apachez> so what am I missing?
[20:57] <Quenz> ioria I did get a system error dialogue when I logged in, but everything is working again. Problem is, I wanted to switch to the proprietary driver, because the open source when seems to be pretty slow
[20:57] <ioria> Quenz,  ls  -la /var/crash
[20:59] <Quenz> ioria What do you want from this? I can't copypaste it because I'm on IRC on another computer. It says "total 448" "whoopsie" and "nvidia-340.0.crash"
[21:00] <ioria> Quenz,  you have an outdated card, i guess ...
[21:01] <brainwash> Apachez: do maybe have ntpdate installed also?
[21:02] <pavlos> skinux: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libssl1.0.0
[21:02] <Quenz> ioria Where does that leave me?
[21:03] <Apachez> brainwash: seems like the upgrade snuck that in
[21:03] <brainwash> Apachez: furthermore, old sysvinit services are managed by a systemd service generator, so maybe you need to run "systemctl enable ntp.service" in case it's disabled
[21:03] <Apachez> had it removed now (again) and ill try another reboot
[21:03] <ioria> Quenz,  can you paste ubuntu-drivers list   ? or really not ?
[21:04] <Bashing-om> Quenz: ioria : nvidia says will support 340 'til the end of 2019 : http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases .
[21:04] <Quenz> ioria I can, just give me a second
[21:04] <Amm0n> Apachez, use timedatectl which comes with systemd, no need for ntpdate/ntp
[21:04] <Amm0n> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/NTP.html
[21:05] <Apachez> nope
[21:05] <ioria> Bashing-om, ok...
[21:05] <Apachez> didnt work :S
[21:05] <Apachez> ntpdate is removed
[21:05] <Apachez> verified through         dpkg -l | grep -i ntpdate       and     find / -iname "ntpdate"
[21:05] <brainwash> Apachez: well, check "systemctl status ntp.service"
[21:06] <ioria> Quenz,  you could install nvidia-340 from command line (wuth apt  i mean) and check for erros if any
[21:06] <Bashing-om> ioria: Just looking over your shoulder, see what I can learn :)
[21:06] <Apachez>    Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ntp.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[21:06] <Apachez>    Active: inactive (dead)
[21:06] <ioria> Bashing-om, lol.... i'am in shutdown too
[21:07] <Quenz> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26425585/ okay, I'll try that
[21:07] <Apachez> dmesg doesnt really tell anything
[21:08] <Apachez> so any suggestions on how to dig into why ntp service doesnt start after reboot?
[21:08] <ioria> Quenz,  if it fails, purge again (as above) and try 304
[21:09] <jrabe> Apachez: read the systemd service file, some ntpds check if there's another ntpd installed (even if disabled) and bail out
[21:09] <jrabe> also make sure systemd-timesyncd is disabled if you want to use ntp.service
[21:10] <jrabe> oh, looks like this was already discussed, should've scrolled up..
[21:11] <Apachez> journalctl doesnt give anything obvious
[21:12] <Quenz> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26425611/ 2 errors towards bottom
[21:12] <pavlos> Apachez: does "ntpq -np" gives you any info?
[21:13] <Apachez> jan 20 22:04:22 nuc systemd[1]: Started ntp-systemd-netif.service.
[21:13] <Apachez> jan 20 22:04:52 nuc systemd-timesyncd[571]: Synchronized to time server 194.58.200.20:123 (ntp.se).
[21:13] <Apachez> pavlos: nope, ntpd doesnt start automatically after reboot - but it works if I start it manually like     sudo /etc/init.d/ntp start
[21:13] <Apachez> then ntpq -p 127.0.0.1  works
[21:14] <ioria> Quenz,  are you using  4.13.0-26-generic  on xenial 16.04 ?
[21:14] <Quenz> ioria OS is Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS
[21:14] <Apachez> https://pastebin.com/0QUPxHcg  this cant be good?
[21:15] <ioria> Quenz,  uname -r
[21:17] <ioria> Quenz, nvm, sudo apt-get purge nvidia* &&  sudo apt-get install nvidia-304
[21:17] <Quenz> 4.13.0-26-generic
[21:17] <ioria> yeah
[21:17] <pavlos> Apachez: do you have an ntp user in your /etc/passwd?
[21:18] <Apachez> pavlos: yup
[21:18] <Apachez> I reinstalled ntp too
[21:18] <Apachez> didnt hel
[21:18] <Quenz> ioria would you like the log when it's done?
[21:18] <Apachez> didnt help
[21:18] <Apachez> found a fix for that apparmor problem
[21:18] <ioria> Quenz, yup
[21:19] <ioria> Quenz, btw, cd /var/crash  and remove what's in there
[21:20] <kirillkh> hello! suddenly, I started to get this error when trying to apt update: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[21:20] <kirillkh> when looking at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/, I see yakkety is not there. was it removed?!
[21:20] <ioria> kirillkh, passed away
[21:20] <kirillkh> ioria: huh?
[21:20] <ioria> kirillkh, it's dead
[21:21] <Bashing-om> !yakkety | kirillkh
[21:21] <kirillkh> ioria: no it's not. it's installed on my machine
[21:21] <ioria> ok
[21:21] <Apachez> there we go
[21:21] <kirillkh> erm, so works as designed?
[21:21] <Apachez> fixed the apparmor problem and disabled timesynced
[21:21] <Apachez> now ntp starts when rebooting the box
[21:21] <Apachez> thanks for your help!
[21:22] <kirillkh> ioria: what if I need to do some work as opposed to work a few hours on upgrading ubuntu?
[21:22] <kirillkh> and I need to install some packages for that?
[21:22] <ioria> kirillkh, old-release
[21:22] <brainwash> Apachez: mmh. I thought that the timesyncd service checks if ntpd is present
[21:22] <kirillkh> ioria: huh?
[21:23] <brainwash> Apachez: and only runs if it isn't
[21:23] <ioria> kirillkh, you need to upgrade, mate
[21:24] <CrazyTB> Hello! I still have 17.04 (I've been postponing the upgrade for too long). Is there any ubuntu mirror that still has zesty packages?
[21:24] <QuenzOnGnome> done and done ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26425679/
[21:24] <CrazyTB> I'd like to use that mirror, then I'll dist-upgrade.
[21:25] <ioria> QuenzOnGnome, looks good, reboot
[21:25] <Quenz> Though I did remove the stuff from /var/crash after purging and installing
[21:25] <ioria> Quenz, oky
[21:26] <Quenz> ioria I have a blinking _
[21:26] <Quenz> ioria nevermind, it just took a sec
[21:27] <brainwash> CrazyTB: read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[21:28] <ioria> Quenz, if we're still alive...   can you paste sudo lshw -c Video   ?
[21:28] <Quenz> ioria Sure just a sec
[21:29] <CrazyTB> brainwash: Sounds like exactly what I need, thank you very much!
[21:29] <Quenz> ioria The bar at the top is unresponsive now, I can't click it or anything. I can get to terminal though and will see if I can do a paste
[21:30] <ioria> Quenz, sy, have to leave,  other can help, gl
[21:31] <Quenz> Thanks
[21:32] <Quenz> Last command I did was sudo apt-get purge nvidia* &&  sudo apt-get install nvidia-304, then rebooted. Now the bar at the top is unresponsive
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Quenz: U hgave beem following and will pick up . show us ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' . as a place to start looking .
[21:32] <Quenz> Okay
[21:32] <Bashing-om> I have been following *
[21:34] <tatertots> i know a little also
[21:35] <tatertots> or following a little
[21:36] <Quenz> Bashing-om I tried to open firefox so I could go to the ubuntu paste website but now its frozen and I just have a text select cursor stuck
[21:36] <Bashing-om> tatertots: 2 heads are better then one, even if this one is a goat's head :)
[21:36] <Quenz> Don't know how to reboot from here
[21:36] <tatertots> lol
[21:36] <Quenz> Without just holding the power button
[21:37] <Quenz> ctrl+shift+F1 produces a blank screen I can't type anything on
[21:37] <Bashing-om> Quenz: ctl+alt+T get a terminal ? we can do with out a browser then .
[21:37] <Quenz> Ah that works, thanks
[21:38] <Quenz> Bashing-om how am I gonna get this paste here? Pastebinit?
[21:39] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Great ; do ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia  | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[21:39] <Quenz> 'nc: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known'
[21:39] <Quenz> oops
[21:40] <Quenz> I forgot the .com
[21:40] <Quenz> http://termbin.com/ypvr
[21:40] <Bashing-om> Quenz: verifing my command . wait one .
[21:41] <pavlos> command is good
[21:42] <Bashing-om> Quenz: workie for me ... you loose inter net connection ? what results ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' ?
[21:42] <Quenz> As I said I just forgot the .com, it works now
[21:42] <Quenz> I don't know if I'm lagging or something, I already sent the paste http://termbin.com/ypvr
[21:44] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Naw no lag - is me not paying attention . I see no fault there ..If you boot an older kernel what results ? ( seeing a lot of issues with the latest kernel ) .
[21:44] <casi27> hi can anyone help pls ;-/ i have got problem with toshiba bios 1.0 and i cant boot nothing a part of live ubuntu or grub and i dont know how to update bios like that any answers?
[21:45] <rikama> how do i start cinnamon, it crashed and wont restart
[21:45] <Quenz> You meant from advanced options in grub Bashing-om?
[21:46] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Yes , just as a test that the fault is not in that latest kernel or related to that kernel .
[21:47] <Quenz> Bashing-om now I have the flashing screen from earlier
[21:47] <Quenz> Not booting to login screen or anything
[21:47] <pavlos> rikama: pkill -HUP -f "cinnamon --replace"
[21:47] <Quenz> Just a short log with some [ OK ]'s in green text flashing every five or so seconds
[21:49] <Quenz> Should i do what ioria told me to do when I got this before?
[21:50] <Quenz> So it seems to produce different results based on what kernel I pick
[21:50] <Quenz> Cuz if I boot normally, it boots fine
[21:51] <Quenz> If I choose the next kernel down, I get a flashing log, and no login screen
[21:51] <Bashing-om> Quenz: So we know it is a system issue . and we also have the old error of module not building . so we need to find out the why .
[21:53] <Bashing-om> Quenz: I am a bit confused " Cuz if I boot normally, it boots fine " .. what kernel version is this that boots fine ?
[21:53] <casi27> (casi27) hi can anyone help pls ;-/ i have got problem with toshiba bios 1.0 and i cant boot nothing a part of live ubuntu or grub and i dont know how to update bios like that any answers?
[21:53] <casi27> pls
[21:53] <ikonia> casi27: read the toshiba docs
[21:53] <ikonia> they will tel you how to upgrade your bios
[21:53] <Quenz> Bashing-om I don't know, it's just the one it uses by default
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Quenz: K. boot the one that boots fine - and show ' uname -r ' .
[21:54] <casi27> ok so can anyone tell me why boot live distro ubuntu or grub bit fredos or windows not ?
[21:54] <casi27> bit(but)
[21:55] <Quenz> Bashing-om also, not exactly "fine" because it's frozen on a lock screen right now, and I didn't login. I'm not sure how to reboot or anything. Only thing I know how to do is power off and power back on again, but that's probably not the best thing to do
[21:55] <ikonia> casi27: what is the actual problem you see
[21:55] <banisterfiend> hi there -- what is the systemd equivalent of putting something in 'rc.local' ? i need to run some commands at that point
[21:55] <ikonia> banisterfiend: really depends what you're trying to do
[21:55] <Bashing-om> Quenz: A fact no a good thing . waut for the following bot's directive :
[21:56] <Quenz> Bashing-om Wait for what?
[21:56] <banisterfiend> ikonia:i run an mbp and my keyboard map is busted so ihave to run 'setxkbmap -option apple:badmap' after startup
[21:56] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | Quenz
[21:57] <Quenz> Bashing-om I don't have a PrintScreen key
[21:57] <ikonia> banisterfiend: I'd suggest you run that as part of your desktop session, but in 17.04 you could create a file called rc.local, there is a systemd unit that parses it, I believe you can still do that on 17.10
[21:58] <banisterfiend> ikonia: how do i run it as part of my desktop session? sorry, noob here. What file should i edit?
[21:58] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Do you have the prt scrn key ? same same .
[21:58] <ikonia> banisterfiend: you need to do it in the sessions menu in the desktop
[21:58] <casi27> (casi27) ok so i have got bios 1.0 and try to install ubuntu install perfec but not bootable at all so i have read need update bios
[21:58] <casi27> (ikonia)
[21:58] <ikonia> it's not a file
[21:58] <ikonia> casi27: define "not bootable"
[21:58] <casi27> (casi27) but dont no how becouse nothink bootable anymore
[21:58] <Quenz> Bashing-om No, I do not have a printscreen key
[21:59] <casi27> Ikonia)yes they said update bios but how nothing work freedos nothing
[22:00] <ikonia> who is they
[22:00] <ikonia> not the fix
[22:00] <ikonia> what is the PROBLEM
[22:00] <banisterfiend> ikonia:where do i find the 'sessions menu' ?
[22:00] <ikonia> banisterfiend: what desktop are you running ?
[22:00] <banisterfiend> i'm on 17.10 btw
[22:00] <banisterfiend> ikonia: standard gnome desktop i guess, it's a fresh 17.10 install
[22:01] <Quenz> Bashing-om Nevermind, somehow got it to turn off after the screen went black
[22:01] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Then I am out of good ideas .. ,maybe enable the key sequence ctl+alt+del to reboot ???
[22:01] <casi27> ok try install ubuntu instal good but not bootable only live distro i have info reboot and select proper boot device heh funny is i cant change nothing in bios becoise is old vr 1.0
[22:02] <ikonia> banisterfiend: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/172179/gnome-shell-running-shell-script-after-session-starts
[22:02] <ikonia> casi27: I'll ask one final time - then explain this is not an ubuntu problem, how is it not bootable, what is the PROBLEM
[22:03] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Hood deal .. when you cpome bacl up from the reboot, ' dpkg -l | grep linux- | nc termbin.com 9999 ' see if a lack of headers is the cause .
[22:03] <Quenz> Bashing-om 4.13.0-26-generic
[22:04] <Quenz> http://termbin.com/muyl
[22:07] <tatertots> Quenz: is this the same computer i've seen before?
[22:07] <Quenz> tatertots Yeah, but fresh install
[22:07] <Quenz> tatertots same OS
[22:07] <tatertots> Quenz: do you remember your previous computer name/hostname?
[22:08] <Bashing-om> Quenz: tatertots Maybe see what the log has to say .. headers are in place : ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[22:08] <Quenz> tatertots uuh, I think it would be the same as the current one, because I used the same names and everything during installation
[22:08] <DJAnonimo> how to resize partition /dev/mmcblk0p1 to 4GB?   /dev/mmcblk0p1   15G  2.9G   12G  20% /
[22:09] <DJAnonimo> anyone can help?
[22:09] <tatertots> caladan,HAL,thecomputer,bglobal?
[22:09] <Quenz> http://termbin.com/740z
[22:10] <Quenz> Bashing-om ^
[22:10] <Zombie> What package  contains the PAM module for DoveCot in 16.04.3?
[22:10] <banisterfiend> ikonia: turns out that wasn't the proper way to do it :( The comments on that post even say "you have to jump through hoops to execute an arbitrary shell script"
[22:10] <banisterfiend> idk
[22:11] <ikonia> banisterfiend: as I said, it's one way of doing it, I also gave you an alternative
[22:11] <tatertots> Quenz: okay just didn't want to reinvent the wheel if i didn't have to
[22:11] <Zombie> I'm having multiple PAM issues with Samba 4.x in  16.
[22:11] <ikonia> Zombie: samba has nothing to do with dovecot
[22:11] <Zombie> every time I su to a Samba 4 Authenticated user, I get s system error
[22:12] <ikonia> a "system error" ?
[22:12] <Zombie> ikonia, I'm trying to use the OpenLDAP method/.
[22:13] <ikonia> why don't you actually explain the problem, rather than titbits of generic statements
[22:13] <Zombie> Okay.
[22:13] <Zombie> I'm trying to setup DoveCot. I have a functioning RFC2307 Enabled Samba 4 AD.
[22:13] <tatertots> Quenz: i just closed my browser tabs anyway lol, do you have internet access, can you install stuff? is the answer to all of the above/previous YES?
[22:14] <Zombie> I want DoveCot to be able to use GSSAPI Authentication.
[22:14] <ikonia> so it doesn't sound like you have a fully functioning samba authenticated domain
[22:14] <ikonia> as you said when you switch user to a samba user you get a "system error"
[22:15] <ikonia> that doesn't strike me as fully functioning ?
[22:15] <Quenz> tatertots yes
[22:15] <baTed> Hello. I am getting :
[22:15] <baTed> Err:14 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release
[22:15] <baTed>   404  Not Found
[22:15] <tatertots> Quenz: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit sosreport
[22:15] <tatertots> Quenz: let me know when done
[22:16] <Zombie> The Samba AD is working.
[22:16] <Zombie> I can ldapsearch, I can kinit, I can smbclient with the -k parameter.
[22:17] <Zombie> SSSD is installed and running/.
[22:17] <ikonia> that doesn't mean it's working
[22:17] <ikonia> that means part of it is working
[22:17] <Quenz> tatertots done
[22:17] <Zombie> It enumerates users in getent.
[22:17] <ikonia> or it means it is working and your clients auth setup is broken, it depends on what you mean by "system error"
[22:17] <ikonia> getent just means it can query the state
[22:17] <Zombie> Exactly.
[22:17] <baTed> Full log : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26425989/ . How can I fix the issue ?
[22:17] <tatertots> Quenz: sudo sosreport
[22:18] <tatertots> Quenz: use your chat screen name, press enter for everything else until it begins
[22:18] <tatertots> Quenz: again...press enter for "everything" else
[22:18] <tatertots> Quenz: let me know when done
[22:19] <ubuntu-struggler> [A Difficult Installation Question!] --> I'm trying to install Ubuntu through a USB 2.0 thumb drive. After the Ubuntu logo finishes, I'm sent to a black screen with some of the following text: "Busy Box .... (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" My guess is that all USB ports (2.0 or 3.0) decided to stop working. I think this because it that message sounds like Ubuntu can't find the thumb drive a
[22:20] <ubuntu-struggler> After grabbing a PS2 keyboard from Goodwill, I can now enter commands at the prompt: (initramfs)   ... What do I do from here to get this working?
[22:20] <Quenz> tatertots Done, though I already typed Q Quenzington for the name
[22:20] <tatertots> Quenz: no worries :)
[22:21] <tatertots> Quenz: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[22:23] <moxxom> echo "Hello World"
[22:23] <ubuntu-struggler> Hello World
[22:24] <Quenz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/2642603
[22:24] <Quenz> oops
[22:25] <Quenz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26426023
[22:25] <Quenz> tatertots
[22:25] <gregl> ubuntu-struggler, Is the motherboard a uefi or legacy boot?
[22:26] <ubuntu-struggler> gregl, I have switched all settings to Legacy
[22:26] <tatertots> Quenz: got it
[22:26] <TJ-> ubuntu-struggler: start with "lsblk"
[22:27] <baTed> Can someone please take a look at this paste : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26425989/ . It will be appreciated.
[22:27] <ubuntu-struggler> gregl, (one second, let me boot her back up)
[22:28] <gregl> ubuntu-struggler, The error you are getting I had once when i didn't create a uefi partition..
[22:28] <TJ-> !eolupgrade | baTed
[22:28] <TJ-> baTed: you're on 17.04 which ended suppport on 13th Jan
[22:28] <ubuntu-struggler> gregl, that doesn't sound like something I've done-- how can I do that?
[22:29] <squealingcode> baTed: 17.04 is EOL.
[22:29] <ubuntu-struggler> gregl, I was about to try to install through a CD with the minimal ISO (the minimal ISO doesn't use (initramfs) from what I've heard), but that's not ideal
[22:29] <baTed> thank you TJ- and squealingcode
[22:30] <tatertots> Quenz: you okay?...
[22:30] <ubuntu-struggler> gregl, .... it's now at the usual installation page .... I didn't crash to (initramfs) ...
[22:30]  * tatertots checks Quenz pulse.
[22:30] <ubuntu-struggler> gregl, I guess that's problem solved! don't question good fortune!
[22:30]  * tatertots searches for smelling salts
[22:31] <Quenz> tatertots Yes, what now
[22:31] <Quenz> ?
[22:31] <Quenz> You got my paste, now what?
[22:31] <gregl> ubuntu-struggler, ok cool,have fun
[22:32] <baTed> still getting an error on do-release-upgrade : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26426095/
[22:33] <Bashing-om> !eol | baTed
[22:34] <baTed> So i'll have to do a fresh install of the system ?
[22:34] <tomreyn> baTed: no, you need to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list
[22:34] <tomreyn> a fresh install is always an option,. though
[22:35] <baTed> oh damn ... I didn't see the "old-" in deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[22:35] <baTed> sorry about that
[22:36] <Neo4> I installed postfix
[22:37] <Neo4> can I send mail using thunderbird? What is my smtp url?
[22:37] <Neo4> port is 543?
[22:37] <Neo4> where take server hostnames for smtp and imap???
[22:38] <Neo4> shall I create subdomains for it?
[22:38] <brainwash> Neo4: I would ask in #postfix
[22:39] <Neo4> brainwash: there is silence
[22:39] <brainwash> how long did you wait?
[22:39] <Neo4> 8 minutes
[22:39] <brainwash> certainly not enough then
[22:39] <TJ-> :)
[22:39] <Neo4> ok
[22:40] <Neo4> brainwash: do you know how in general work postfix?
[22:40] <Neo4> where that IMAP and SMTP hostame I should take?
[22:40] <conall> Hi. I am trying to pair with a bluetooth headset and play sound through it. I can seem to pair ok, but the device does not show up in sound settings. I have tried the various solutions on google but to no avail
[22:40] <baTed> afaik your ISP/hosting provider should provide the IMAP/smtp server
[22:41] <brainwash> Neo4: sadly no, but I would search for a tutorial
[22:41] <baTed> or allow you to use SMTP
[22:41] <Neo4> baTed: I have my own server, kselax.ru and there installed postfix, it use SMTP for send message, Can I somehow connect to my server
[22:42] <Neo4> should be some adress for example smtp.ksela.ru:543
[22:43] <Neo4> brainwash: I see indian tutorial there in /etc/hosts file should put something like this ip mail.kselax.ru
[22:43] <baTed> It works locally ? (ie. can you use the server for sending mail)
[22:43] <Neo4> 587 is SMTP and 143 is IMAP
[22:44] <Neo4> baTed: for sending yes, you can give me email and I'll send you mail
[22:44] <Zombie> What provides PAM support for dovecot in Ubuntu?
[22:44] <baTed> so you need help pointing the subdomain to the service
[22:44] <Neo4> baTed: it works for users on VPS, apache2 and other users can send mails
[22:44] <Neo4> baTed: do you think that is subdomain?
[22:45] <Zombie> What provides PAM support for dovecot in Ubuntu?
[22:45] <Neo4> baTed: there decided port, 143 and 587, they both are reserved
[22:46] <Neo4> baTed: try any saite run with :587 or :143
[22:46] <baTed> your server should be set to allow external connections to the certain port (by firewall). Than try with the website's IP:port just to rule out the tld's subdomain issue.
[22:46] <Neo4> http://kselax.ru:587
[22:48] <baTed> Neo4, kselax.ru:587 port is closed
[22:48] <Neo4> baTed: how you test it?
[22:49] <Neo4> how did you test?
[22:49] <baTed> Neo4, http://ping.eu/port-chk/
[22:49] <tomreyn> use netcat: nc -vv kselax.ru 587
[22:50] <Neo4> baTed: run in browser both http://mail.kselax.ru:587 and http://mail.kselax.ru
[22:50] <Neo4> see difference
[22:50] <Neo4> that port is reserved
[22:51] <tomreyn> that's a message your web browser provides. it has a local list of restricted ports.
[22:51] <tomreyn> it does not even try to connect there before it reports it
[22:53] <redphantom> I'm having problems switching from one VPN server to another one with the Network Settings Manager. Can anyone help?
[22:53] <redphantom> It always fails to connect and I have to restart to get my internet connection back, which is wired ethernet
[22:54] <tomreyn> redphantom: this suggests something is wrong with the vpn profile.
[22:55] <tomreyn> verify the configuration against the vpn service providers' documentation.
[22:56] <redphantom> Im getting the configuration directly from the provider, it's auto-generated
[22:56] <tomreyn> redphantom: /var/log/syslog probably contains some lines which may provide a hint on what is failing exactly.
[22:56] <redphantom> tomreyn: im using mullvad, if it makes any difference
[22:56] <redphantom> k ill check that log out
[22:57] <tomreyn> redphantom: journalctl -u NetworkManager.service
[22:57] <redphantom> tomreyn: I also have a problem getting the connection to auto-start when I restart. I always have to click"Connect" manually on my wired connection
[22:57] <tomreyn> this may provide a better access to the relevant logs
[22:58] <redphantom> it's setup to automatically connect to my preferred VPN server
[22:58] <tatertots> Quenz: looks acceptable on the "surface"
[22:58] <tatertots> Quenz: looks acceptable on the "surface" http://paste.ubuntu.com/26426023
[22:58] <tomreyn> redphantom: same about auto-connection, check the logs.
[22:59] <tatertots> Quenz: well besides the "dormant" wifi..but you know how to address that from previous experience(s)
[23:00] <redphantom> tomreyn: i'm a big newb but this is some red text that showed up a couple time "Jan 20 17:28:31 redphantom NetworkManager[884]: ((src/devices/nm-device.c:1452)): assertion '<dropped>' failed"
[23:00] <tomreyn> redphantom: which ubuntu release do you run there? lsb_release -ds
[23:01] <redphantom> tomreyn: 17.10
[23:02] <tomreyn> redphantom: it is probably a bug in ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1725062
[23:02] <redphantom> tomreyn: would this explain why it's not auto-connecting?: NetworkManager[884]: <info>  [1516487295.6369] management mode: unmanaged
[23:03] <Quenz> so where does this leave me tatertots?
[23:03] <tomreyn> redphantom: maybe, i'm not sure
[23:03] <tomreyn> redphantom: i suggest concentrating on one issue at a time
[23:04] <tomreyn> redphantom:for connecting to mullvad the bug report provides a workaround in post #2
[23:04] <tomreyn> i suggest you give that a try.
[23:04] <tomreyn> if that solves the problem, you can look into why the vpn connection wont start on login
[23:05] <redphantom> tomreyn: i did, thank you for the help. wish I could've found that on my own cause I have spent sooo long trying to find this bug. My google-fu needs more work, apparently
[23:05] <ubuntu-struggler> gregl, are you still there?
[23:05] <tomreyn> redphantom: i simplay searched for the error message (but i admit you needed to know how to find that message first of all)
[23:06] <redphantom> that is true, hehe thank you
[23:06] <tomreyn> i did a web search for "network manager ((src/devices/nm-device.c:1452)): assertion '<dropped>' failed""
[23:07] <TJ-> redphantom: you can also use "nmcli con ..." to bring up a link. "nmcli con" will list all connections. "man nmcli" for additional info
[23:09] <ubuntu-struggler> Question --> I've just managed to get Ubuntu installed through a USB thumb drive. Now that Ubuntu 14.04 is installed, my USB ports are not working. I have access to a PS/2 keyboard but not a mouse. I currently do not have a network connection, but I cannot click on the network button to see what's going on. What do I do from here?
[23:11] <tatertots> Quenz: you here buddy?
[23:12] <Quenz> I was waiting for your terminal dump to stop flooding me in PM
[23:12] <Quenz> Took forever
[23:12] <Quenz> Anyway, the GUI is still unresponsive somewhat
[23:12] <Quenz> I can't click on anything on the bar at the top
[23:13] <Quenz> Windows are responsive to the mouse, but almost nothing else is
[23:15] <Quenz> You there tatertots? Anyone?
[23:19] <phillijw> hi
[23:19] <tatertots> Quenz: yep
[23:19] <tatertots> Quenz: thought you fell off the earth
[23:20] <Quenz> Please don't flood people with terminal dumps
[23:20] <Quenz> Use a pastebin nextime
[23:21] <tatertots> Quenz: oops sorry
[23:23] <tatertots> Quenz: http://termbin.com/l1ve didn't see any FAILED's and that's good
[23:24] <Quenz> tatertots Cool. Just not sure where to go from here in terms of the GUI not being properly responsive
[23:24] <tatertots> Quenz: you just said the words i was looking for
[23:25] <tatertots> :)
[23:25] <Quenz> Well, anyone else?
[23:25] <TaaTT4> hello everybody
[23:25] <tatertots> Quenz: and you do have some other symptom(s) i noticed outside of the "crashes" http://termbin.com/s7eu
[23:27] <Quenz> I wouldn't know what to do with that
[23:27] <tatertots> Quenz: say your "x-session" is "unresponsive" eh???? http://termbin.com/h3xu
[23:27] <tatertots> Quenz: i believe that
[23:29] <Quenz> Yep, that looks like a correlation
[23:29] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Any hints in the .xsession-errors file ?
[23:29] <Quenz> Let me just boot again and check
[23:30] <Quenz> Bashing-om is that in ~/ ?
[23:30] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Sorry, yes in your /home .
[23:31] <tatertots> Quenz: your Xorg logs contains NO errors http://termbin.com/2bhs
[23:33] <Quenz> Just have to wait for something to finish before I reboot (I'm in a different OS on that computer atm)
[23:33] <tatertots> Quenz: yeah i totally believe you when you say you have "inconsistent" unresponsiveness http://termbin.com/623d
[23:34] <Quenz> What I meant was that some small things work, and applications work, but most of the other basic GUI elements of the desktop manager don't
[23:34] <Quenz> I can use the arrow keys to navigate some things, but can't click on most things
[23:35] <Quenz> And this is also because of the particular driver I'm using
[23:35] <Quenz> The open source one is fine, it's just slow.
[23:38] <Bashing-om> Quenz: As the 304 driver is out of nvidia support, how about we install as recommneded by nvidia the 340 driver : http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html ?
[23:39] <ubuntu-struggler> Can anyone help me figure out why my USB and Ethernet ports are not working?
[23:39] <ubuntu-struggler> fresh Ubuntu 14.04 install
[23:40] <TaaTT4> I need to fix package dependencies (which are completely broken) of a system I became administrator. I want to develop a script that automatically solves this issue. This command (https://paste.ubuntu.com/26426542/) should print list of packages which are dependency of another one. The problem is the command doesn't take in account circular depende
[23:40] <TaaTT4> ncies (e.g. python3-apport Recommends apport and apport Depends python3-apport). How can I avoid to print the packages which are in a circular dependency loop?
[23:40] <ubuntu-struggler> my guess is that I switched a setting in the BIOS, but I can't seem to find it
[23:40] <Quenz> Bashing-om I think that may have been the one that produced the flashing log, but I can try it again
[23:43] <Bashing-om> Quenz: At this point we do not know what is causinbg the issue - but I do think having the reommended driver is a good thing .
[23:43] <Quenz> Bashing-om I'll change it as soon as I boot
[23:44] <Quenz> Bashing-om and I'll check .xsession-errors too
[23:45] <Bashing-om> Quenz: This time, let's have the sytem choose what it want's - ' sudo apt purge nvidia ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' then reboot to see the effect .
[23:48] <Quenz> Bashing-om Still want me to check .xsession-errors?
[23:48] <Quenz> Booting now
[23:48] <JunkMailRox> what kind of computer is good for ubuntu?
[23:49] <Bashing-om> Quenz: As we are re-installing the driver anyway - I see no use of looking at old info :)
[23:49] <JunkMailRox> is it worth it to get a gaming computer?
[23:49] <Quenz> JunkMailRox Do you want to play games on it? If so, then probably yeah.
[23:49] <JunkMailRox> not games, c++ programming
[23:49] <JunkMailRox> i want to create a cryptocoin
[23:50] <Quenz> JunkMailRox No need for a gaming PC then, though you might want hardware that's good for cryptography. System requirements for Ubuntu are here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#Ubuntu_Desktop_Edition
[23:50] <carverh> creating a cryptocoin doesnt make sense unless you have a special feature
[23:50] <Quenz> Maybe they do
[23:50] <JunkMailRox> its for academic reasons
[23:52] <Bashing-om> JunkMailRox: My 2 cents : if ya want the service and durability of a server, get a server .
[23:52] <JunkMailRox> i'm leaning towards minimum, and then upgrading when i get there
[23:52] <Quenz> JunkMailRox For example if you want to do something like mining, you might want a good GPU or ASIC for crypto, but you might not need that if you're just coding a coin for academics
[23:53] <JunkMailRox> i'm interested in the mining aspects as well
[23:54] <JunkMailRox> thanks guys
[23:54] <Quenz> JunkMailRox I don't know enough about crypto to know whether you would need powerful hardware if you're just doing theoretical stuff, but maybe. In any case, the Ubuntu Desktop requirements are in the link above
[23:54] <JunkMailRox> yep, i read that
[23:55] <JunkMailRox> that should get me started
[23:55] <Quenz> JunkMailRox An Ubuntu server is just below that, scroll down a bit
[23:55] <Quenz> I'd ask in a crypto community about the other aspects
[23:55] <JunkMailRox> yeah, i started there
[23:55] <JunkMailRox> ##altcoins
[23:55] <Quenz> They probably have a batter idea about what hardware you'll need in terms of crypto than us
[23:56] <JunkMailRox> apparently, i will need to learn ubuntu first
[23:56] <JunkMailRox> and c++
[23:56] <JunkMailRox> so, it should be some time before i'm mining anything
[23:57] <Quenz> Well as long as you meet the system requirements, you should be able to install Ubuntu Desktop fine. I've never done any coding in Ubuntu, so I don't know what programs you'd use for C++, but someone else here might know.
[23:59] <Quenz> Bashing-om commands finished. A "System program problem detected" dialogue popped up. Should that be looked into?
[23:59] <Quenz> Bashing-om Or should I just reboot?