lotuspsychjegood morning to all04:39
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: :) .. WB .04:40
lotuspsychjehey Bashing-om04:41
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Time to wakem up ! It's got slow again .04:47
lotuspsychjelets do it!05:01
pauljwgnite all05:05
ducassemorning, everyone07:43
oerhekshi ducasse , earlybird07:43
ducassehi oerheks - how's your morning?07:45
oerheksyesterday i picked up Pien from mama, had an early walk too07:45
oerheksDrabber is jealous :-D07:46
oerheks.. and oh so sweat today07:46
oerheksAnd how are you and the missy?07:46
ducassewe're good, thanks. just about to open the window so the little lady can see if she wants to go out. (i'm guessing she won't)07:48
oerheksnice blue sky today, pretty cold, maybe we get finally some snow07:50
JanCoerheks: unlikely you get snow when the sky is clear blue  :)07:51
JanCthere need to be clouds for that07:52
ducassereally grey here, but not too cold. had even more snow yesterday..07:52
oerheksoh, mystery solved07:52
JanCfreezing is possible, of course07:53
ducasseoerheks: i was right. she went out a few steps, then reversed back inside :)07:57
oerheksPiens first steps outside were 'omg, why?' .. but at the end she was really happy07:58
ducassei've had about enough of this snow for this winter, hope it melts soon.08:02
lotuspsychjegood sunday for all09:17
lotuspsychjelotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ systemd-analyze time09:17
lotuspsychjeStartup finished in 6.423s (kernel) + 13.908s (userspace) = 20.331s09:17
lotuspsychjetweaked a few systemd services09:17
lotuspsychjebleachbit cleanup 1gb and swappiness 10 on bionic09:18
EriC^^afternoon everyone09:52
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^10:00
EriC^^hey lotuspsychje10:01
EriC^^how's it going?10:01
lotuspsychjefine here EriC^^10:08
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: trimmed down a few systemd services10:09
lotuspsychjeStartup finished in 6.423s (kernel) + 13.908s (userspace) = 20.331s10:09
EriC^^what's for lunch?10:13
lotuspsychjevegetarian oven dish10:13
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: what you havin mate10:14
lotuspsychjehmm cool bots at #systemd10:20
lotuspsychje [sd-bot] (sztanpet@znc.sztanpet.net): http://sd-bot.sztanpet.net/10:21
EriC^^thinking about ordering pizza hut10:28
EriC^^watching any good movies today?10:28
lotuspsychjeno :p10:28
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: gonna make it movie day?10:29
EriC^^if there's something good to watch sure10:29
EriC^^there's a new movie but the quality is cam, The Commuter , liam neison10:30
EriC^^http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1590193/ 6.5/10 imdb10:30
lotuspsychjeaha yes10:31
lotuspsychjethat one plays in our theaters now10:32
EriC^^seems ok10:32
lotuspsychjei like liam10:33
EriC^^yeah you better :P10:33
EriC^^he will find you, and make you like him10:33
EriC^^lotuspsychje: if you come back to life and you have to choose an animal, which one would you choose?11:02
lotuspsychjean eagle11:02
EriC^^nice, very nice11:02
lotuspsychjealways wanted to fly around a bit11:02
EriC^^eagle is at the top of the food chain right?11:02
EriC^^hmm i used to think orca, cause nothing eats it, it even eats great whites, plus they're playful and live in groups, also they have higher emotional intelligence than humans even and very intelligent11:03
lotuspsychjewasnt that a lion?11:03
EriC^^lately been thinking lions, they are pretty awesome11:03
EriC^^lions you kind of get fucked11:03
lotuspsychjei always like african cats docu11:03
EriC^^1/8 of males die11:03
EriC^^lions, they have families called 'prides' and the women hunt, the males secure the territory, and help sometimes if they prey is very large11:04
lotuspsychjei always like the confrontations bewteen those wild animals11:04
EriC^^and if other lion males come, and they dominate the pride males, then they take the women and become the males of the pride, and they kill the male cups so only their genes get passed on11:05
lotuspsychjebuffalo vs lions11:05
lotuspsychjehyena vs lions etc11:05
EriC^^hyena's are very interesting, they're a matriarchal (sp?) society, the women are the dominant ones11:05
EriC^^males always are less dominant than the females11:05
lotuspsychjehardest jaws of africa11:06
EriC^^they're extremely dominant though, like if 2 are born, sister and bro, the sister is automatically dominant, if 2 brothers are born, even as infants they might kill eachother11:06
EriC^^cause they're born mobile, with teeth, and can see11:06
EriC^^the shitty part about lions though is that they eat so much, sometimes like 50kg, you need to hunt so much to stay not hungry11:07
EriC^^i dunno if they're top of food chain though, like something else hunts them.. hmm11:08
lotuspsychjethe whole pact eats alot11:08
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: did you see that wolf movie with liam?11:09
lotuspsychjethe grey are something?11:10
lotuspsychje6.8 imdb11:10
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj11:10
BluesKajHowdy foilks11:10
BluesKajHi lotuspsychje11:11
EriC^^lotuspsychje: nope i didnt11:11
EriC^^what's the name of it?11:11
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: the grey11:11
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: think your gonna like it11:11
EriC^^man i was suprised the other day, hugh jackman is married to a girl he used to act with, she's 13 years older than him, 63 now, and he's 50, they've been married for 21 years! longest in hollywood maybe:P11:11
EriC^^aha thanks lotuspsychje11:12
EriC^^hey BluesKaj11:12
BluesKajHi EriC^^11:13
BluesKajdecided to try netfix again, but so far there's nothing that catches my interest .mosy movies seem to target "milllenials"...zombie and so called action movies ...bah. I'll probly cancel before the trial period is over...kind of disappointing really11:16
BluesKajnetflix :-)11:16
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: 10 dollar?11:17
BluesKajthe US version has abetter selection due to the medisarights11:19
BluesKajmedia rights'11:19
lotuspsychjei wouldnt spent money on it neither BluesKaj11:19
BluesKajthink I'll cancel today11:20
lotuspsychjeneat BluesKaj12:09
lotuspsychjehey pauljw wb12:09
pauljwhey lotuspsychje :)12:10
BluesKaj'Morning pauljw12:10
pauljwhi BluesKaj12:11
lotuspsychjeoerheks: <lotuspsychje> !Netplan is Netplan is a utility for easily configuring networking on a system visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan for more info12:15
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lotuspsychjebbl coffee & roomsoesjes12:15
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lotuspsychjegood evening to all16:47
pauljwhi lotuspsychje :)16:47
lotuspsychjehey pauljw16:48
lotuspsychjeanyone knows a GUI systemd manager to enable/disable services?16:48
TJ-yuk :)16:59
TJ-!info systemd-ui17:00
ubot5Package systemd-ui does not exist in artful17:00
hggdhperhaps we should ask for it on *buntu?17:08
lotuspsychjehggdh: yeah would be a nice idea17:09
lotuspsychjehggdh: ive been tweaking it manually on bionic today, would be nice to have gui for users17:10
TJ-it's defunct, it was in up to 17.0417:20
hggdhlotuspsychje: yes, I agree. As soon as I finish cleaning the house I will try to search for such a bug and, if not found, open one17:20
hggdhyeah, they are in stable and old-stable only17:26
hggdhdebian bug 864954 was the removal request, June 2017. Abandonware for (then) 3 years17:38
ubot5Debian bug 864954 in ftp.debian.org "RM: systemd-ui -- RoQA/RoM; FTBFS, unmaintained" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/86495417:39
lotuspsychje!info systemd-manager17:59
ubot5Package systemd-manager does not exist in artful17:59
lotuspsychje!info chkservice18:02
ubot5Package chkservice does not exist in artful18:02
lotuspsychje!info chkservice bionic18:02
ubot5chkservice (source: chkservice): Tool for managing systemd units. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-2 (bionic), package size 40 kB, installed size 159 kB (Only available for linux-any)18:02
lotuspsychjelemme try that18:02
lotuspsychjeTJ- hggdh thats looks pretty usefull18:04
TJ-it was abandoned in 2014/15 from what I can see18:05
lotuspsychjeTJ-: why does bionic have it then?18:05
TJ-where? I checked packages.ubuntu.com and it didn't show up as either -gui or -ui packages18:07
lotuspsychjeTJ-: well its from terminal, but graphically18:08
TJ-which package is it in?18:09
lotuspsychjeTJ-: howto check18:11
TJ-lotuspsychje: "dpkg -S <programname>"18:11
lotuspsychjeTJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432009/18:13
TJ-so very new; Sept 201718:17
hggdhrmadison reports it in Bionic, version 0.1-218:17
TJ-right, from https://github.com/linuxenko/chkservice18:18
hggdhand debian has it on testing and unstable18:18
TJ-it's not GUI it's TUI - ncurses18:18
lotuspsychjeyeah its from terminal, but better then manual enable/disable TJ- ?18:18
TJ-possibly; but makes it easy for someone to disable services because they think they don't need them and not tell us when asking for support18:19
lotuspsychjealso true18:19
TJ-I'd much prefer "systemctl disable <service>" more likely they'll remember specifics when asked :)18:19
TJ-you know what 'users' are like when they think that can optimise18:20
lotuspsychjeTJ-: well i disabled like 8 we dont really need by default, that makes system boot into desktop slow18:20
hggdhas any tool that deals with low-level configuration, it can be abused by ignorant people18:21
lotuspsychjeTJ-: systemd's way of thinking, the users choice to disable what one needs?18:21
hggdh(ignorant is not demeaning here)18:21
TJ-hggdh: A little knowledge is dangerous18:22
hggdhTJ-: aboslutely agree. But, on the other hand, a system built for idiots is only usable by idiots18:22
TJ-lotuspsychje: I've found that allowing easy access to disable system services through easy clicks means folks will see things they don't recognise and disable them18:22
lotuspsychjeTJ-: thats true, but like orca? who really needs/uses that?18:23
lotuspsychjecups for laptops?18:23
pauljwfreedom is such a messy business...18:23
TJ-I need cups on laptops18:24
lotuspsychjeokay, advanced users :p18:24
hggdhTJ-: also: I once installed sshguard, and then gave up on it, going back to fail2ban. I *did* apt purge it, but the systemd config was left in, enabled18:24
hggdhnow I can disable it with just hitting [space].18:24
lotuspsychjeTJ-: check what i disabled: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432083/18:25
hggdhof course, I should open a bug on sshguard as well18:25
TJ-lotuspsychje: the issue is one of the user action not being easliy traceable by us during support - we assume the standard services are enabled so having to double-check on a lower level just makes the task more difficult and easy to miss18:25
lotuspsychjeTJ-: i totaly agree mate, but boot speed vs services security?18:25
TJ-hggdh: haha, yeah, that can really catch you out when you execpt purge to cover everything18:25
TJ-lotuspsychje: how often do people really reboot? and what is 30 seconds when most spend more time trying to decide where to put desktop icons or decide on filenames !?18:26
hggdhah well, so much for wishful thinking. Hitting [space] on sshguard.service returns "Falied: invalid argument" :-)18:26
lotuspsychjehggdh: : (18:27
lotuspsychjeTJ-: i look at it this way, we install a bloody fast ssd, tweak system then systemd bottlenecks it again18:28
lotuspsychjeTJ-: same for braille support? regular user doesnt need it?18:30
TJ-lotuspsychje: I use suspend/resume - it's instant18:30
TJ-I've been using kexec for kernel updates recently too ... and finding a lot of bugs :D18:31
lotuspsychjeTJ-: well i placed a bug on bionic for being slow login to desktop already18:31
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1742063 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Systemd taking long time to boot into desktop 18.04" [Undecided,New]18:32
lotuspsychjeTJ-: compared to 16.04 with systemd, this is really slow18:33
lotuspsychjedevs want bionic same feeling for the xenial updaters, so lets hope..18:33
TJ-lotuspsychje: that's not systemd though, it's a service the desktop relies on. presumably plymouth and the wait-online18:34
TJ-"systemd-analyze critical-chain" is really useful in these cases18:35
lotuspsychjeapt.daily took longest in my case, so disabled it, but takes ages to boot also18:35
lotuspsychjeTJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432164/18:36
TJ-so it's taking 9 seconds to bring up the network - presumably Wifi - "NetworkManager-wait-online.service @3.992s +9.171s"18:39
TJ-looks like teamviewer or it's reverse-depends might be slowing things down, have you tried disabling teamviewer as a test?18:41
TJ-the rest is like the GUI initialising looking at that18:41
lotuspsychjeTJ-: teamviewer was not installed at time of the bug yet18:42
lotuspsychjeTJ-: apt.daily was ontop of the list, so tryed to disable unnattended updates18:42
TJ-lotuspsychje: ok, so It looks like it takes up to 3.9 + 9.1 seconds for it to get online, the rest is getting the GUI started18:43
TJ-I've seen a lot of 18.04 bugs in the gnome-session causing delays18:44
lotuspsychjelets hope all that gets fixxed TJ-18:49
lotuspsychjehey Bashing-om a18:58
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Hiya ! Have I missed much during my snooze time ?18:59
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: yeah pretty active session here19:00
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Great, lemme refill the caffine dispenser and I settle in :)19:02
lotuspsychjewe need more hands19:04
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: - See what I can do :P19:04
ubot5The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack19:08
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: gopal amdgpu-radeon issue on xenial, nukem 120sec kworker shotdown time on xenial & artful (nomodeset)19:11
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Not to hot on hybrid AMD ,,, My take on it is that it is not too functional as of this time .19:13
TJ-this is weird, it's like the amdgpu driver doesn't recognise the device but I checked it declares the modalias that matches the GPU19:14
TJ-and lspci confirms that, listing amdgpu as an option19:15
TJ-as seen here https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432284/19:15
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic xenial19:15
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB19:15
TJ-the radeon driver did bind to it19:15
lotuspsychjeTJ-: i think dax got an amdgpu working19:16
Bashing-omTJ-: Might gets some hints in the /var/log/gpu-manager.log file ??19:17
TJ-Bashing-om: does that cover kernel module loading? hmmm, these hybrids annoy me19:20
Bashing-omTJ-: Yes, it does .. will have that notification if a module does not load .19:22
lotuspsychjenice find Bashing-om19:22
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Won't give a solution but sure tells of a serious problem :)19:24
* lotuspsychje thinks alot of supporting will be needed on 18.04...19:27
TJ-this is getting painful19:28
Bashing-omTJ-: AMD hybrid in my experience is painful now-a-days .19:29
Bashing-omTJ-: IRT gopal " The device is not bound to any driver. Skipping..." Have nessed with this before, and have yet to find a solution . several bugs open woth that -25/26 kernel .19:33
TJ-yes, things getting worse not better19:33
TJ-Bashing-om: I have an idea about that not binding...19:33
TJ-... the modalias might match on the primary vendor:device ID but not the sub-system vendor:device ID - in this case the sub-system is 103c:81ec: "Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330] [103c:81ec]"19:34
TJ-no, I'm wrong, the modalias is a wildcard for sv:sd19:35
TJ- modinfo -F alias amdgpu | grep '1002.*6660'19:35
Bashing-omTJ-: And there is this " Removing xorg.conf. Path: /etc/X11/xorg.conf " .. for the switching to work, got to have this config file, yes ?19:36
TJ-I don't know, but by then it's too late!19:37
TJ-Error: can't access /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/driver19:37
TJ-The device is not bound to any driver. Skipping...19:37
TJ-^^^ that's the issue19:37
TJ-*why* is amdgpu not binding and /not/ reporting any problem in kernel log19:37
Bashing-omTJ-: As said, seen it before, I have no solution - will be real glad to learn as WE will see this again and again .19:39
TJ-I'm going to try to get him to try the 4.15rc8 mainline build19:40
lotuspsychjeTJ-: interesting for nukem? https://www.blackmoreops.com/2014/09/22/linux-kernel-panic-issue-fix-hung_task_timeout_secs-blocked-120-seconds-problem/19:40
TJ-can't imagine slow I/O on a fresh install on bare hardware unless the device is dying19:43
lotuspsychjeweird he's got it on both ubuntu versions right?19:44
TJ-yes, on bare metal and in a Windows-host+VirtualBox19:44
TJ-Could one of you test my mainline download tool? I think first time it's used it may ask you to install the kernel PPA signing cert . run it as "./wget_kernel_mainline.sh -d" (download only mode - won't install)19:46
TJ-From http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/wget_kernel_mainline.sh19:46
TJ-if gopal asks I want to be ready !19:46
TJ-I'm a dolt! I can do it in a container, sorry!19:49
hggdhTJ-: but seems to work (I ran with -l and -d only)19:50
TJ-hggdh: did it not prompt to add a signing key? maybe you already have the key19:50
hggdhTJ-: I probably already have it, have used the mainline before19:50
Bashing-omTJ-: hold my hand as I get " bash: ./wget_kernel_mainline.sh: No such file or directory " runninh just " ./wget_kernel_mainline.sh -d " .19:51
TJ-Bashing-om: did you run it on a file-system with 'noexec' set, or not do "chmod +x wget-kernel_mainline.sh" ?19:51
hggdhsignature checking failed19:51
TJ-hggdh: Grrr, and I got "./wget_kernel_mainline.sh: line 102: gpg2: command not found" in the container :D19:52
TJ-I also got "  do you need to add the package signing key to the system keyring?"19:53
hggdhafter manuall importing the key, I re-run it, and sig was checked19:53
hggdhnow, it would be nice for the tool to print out, at the end, where it saved the kernel(s)19:53
TJ-good point .. sub-dir with the version19:54
TJ-the nice thing it is doesn't re-download anything it already fetched so you can re-run it19:55
hggdhyes, I saw that. But I got the file "mainline-kernel.list" on the cwd19:56
hggdhTJ-: nice. Better than manually grabbing the debs19:57
TJ-yes, without args it fetches the latest, else the version you specify on the cmdline20:01
lotuspsychjeholy smoking! https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nvidia20:03
hggdhTJ-: thank you :-)20:03
TJ-hggdh: I've pushed a revised version to my server20:04
hggdhseems good. Now I simply ran it, and installation was OK20:05
TJ-you may also like my http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/grub_custom_sort_menu.tar.gz which adds sub-menus to GRUB for mainline and rc builds to prevent them being the default entries20:06
TJ-and the dpkg-divert wrapper I have there which goes in /usr/local/sbin/ to auto-create directories in the dpkg-divert rename path20:07
hggdhTJ-: downloaded, will check as soon as I have time (still have to finish cleaning the house, and then have to send out my expense report for the week (*must* be ent today, or they delay payment)20:08
TJ-I use it to move everything under /etc/dpkg-divert/...original-path/file to make it simple to see what I've moved in 1 heirachry20:08
TJ-hggdh: :)20:08
TJ-Can I just resign now!? I feel like I'm going down a rabbit hole20:10
lotuspsychjeenough for today..20:10
lotuspsychjelaterz guys20:10
Bashing-omTJ-: Nope, too far in to back out now :) .. we all be looking over your shoulder see what we can learn .20:11
Bashing-omTJ-: Still looking but : https://askubuntu.com/questions/939689/installing-oibafs-drivers-for-amd-r5-m430-on-ubuntu-16-04/939693 seems to suggest there is no driver for that card . PPA .20:36
TJ-weird, since both radeon and amdgpu both declare a modalias for it20:37
TJ-this bug ioria discovered looks spot on20:38

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