[00:27] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: openbox (trusty-proposed/universe) [3.5.2-6 => 3.5.2-6ubuntu0.1] (lubuntu) [00:29] krytarik: Yeah, I ended that experiement real quick. :P [00:29] Also, openbox fixes incoming for bug 1336521 (if you're keen-eyed) [00:29] Bug 1336521 in openbox (Ubuntu Xenial) "Application Startup Notify fully ignored" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1336521 [00:39] So just a quick thing for everyone, we've converted everything over to HTTPS. I know it's a frequently asked-about thing, and we've delivered. :) [00:39] https://lubuntu.me [00:39] https://phab.lubuntu.me [00:49] (Sticker, 500x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3562 [01:00] tsimonq2: Here, a diff :P - http://paste.openstack.org/show/zAvNS9bO03eJk7685QB4/ [01:01] Ok, so what's this diffing? [01:04] "diff bionic-alternate-i386-20180121-sorted.list bionic-alternate-i386-20180121.1-sorted.list | grep -v '^[0-9]'" [01:04] Right, ok [01:04] Thanks [01:04] Sure. [02:10] [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vN2o6 [02:10] lubuntu-manual/master b855972 Simon Quigley: It should be Creative Commons, not GPL. [02:10] Oh jeez, hiho [02:10] In fact, that reminds me... [02:18] -GitHub66:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vN2o6 [02:18] -GitHub66:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master b855972 Simon Quigley: It should be Creative Commons, not GPL. [02:18] Awesome. [02:18] All set I think. [03:05] -GitHub142:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vN2iI [03:05] -GitHub142:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/master 40b4941 Simon Quigley: Move the README up a level. [03:07] @GitHub142, Yus [03:07] (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3563.mp4 [03:07] :) [03:16] -GitHub29:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vN2iV [03:16] -GitHub29:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 5fef856 Simon Quigley: It should be pip3, not pip. [03:26] -GitHub77:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vN2iA [03:26] -GitHub77:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 6a49338 Simon Quigley: Add initial support for translations; this can be finished eventually once the actual content is done, but for now, it's something. [03:33] @GitHub29, Don't have to apt get python3.6? [03:33] That's automatically pulled in with the other stuff. [03:34] @tsimonq2, Dopee [06:26] -GitHub116:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] m4sk1n opened pull request #1: workaround for the issue “tsimonq2 is disappointingly not a computer” (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vN2Sg [06:27] @MikolajczakMarcin ^ ;) [06:27] LOL @ that description! [06:29] -GitHub190:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] tsimonq2 closed pull request #1: workaround for the issue “tsimonq2 is disappointingly not a computer” (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vN2Sg [06:29] -GitHub129:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] tsimonq2 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vN2S6 [06:29] -GitHub129:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/master ed5e909 Marcin Mikołajczak: workaround for the issue “tsimonq2 is disappointingly not a computer” [06:29] -GitHub129:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/master 76a097d Simon Quigley: Merge pull request #1 from m4sk1n/patch-1... [06:38] @GitHub129, 😂 [08:48] -GitHub73:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n opened pull request #2: s/system/computer/ (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vN2FA [10:06] just joined this irc channel [10:06] hello :D [10:08] wait does this telegram sync what i write in the IRC [10:13] @Jacob Kim, Yes, it's bridged [10:13] Cool xD [10:14] And Matrix / Riot too 😉 [10:14] @VikingRedwolf can i ask you what your design philosophies are? [10:15] @Jacob Kim, Philosophies? [10:15] like, how you like to design UI [10:15] @VikingRedwolf, 😢🎻 [10:16] or your preferred stye (minimalistic, skeuomoprphistic, etc) [10:17] since i am still learning coding, i think i need to help with the artworks/design team and the documentations, but before i can do anything, I wanted to know how you like to do things [10:18] @Jacob Kim, It depends. I like minimal, simple environments, but visually rich. I don't like ultra flat themes because they're a design mistake (you can't distinguish between a menubar and a titlebar, or clearly see a combo box, for example) [10:18] @Schyken, Hola [10:18] @VikingRedwolf, Ohai there. Top of the mornin to ya [10:18] what's your opinion on KDE's UI and design? [10:19] @Jacob Kim, Pretty by default, ugly after I break it :3 [10:19] 😆 [10:20] @Jacob Kim, I don't like KDE widgets. It reminds me to Windows containers (boxes inside boxes). I honestly prefer GTK. But that's a matter of taste. [10:21] hmm alright [10:21] @VikingRedwolf, Aw, but I used to love those horribly insecure Windows 7 widgets! [10:21] how are you planning to design Lubuntu Next's UI? [10:21] LXQt seems to be the big stuff around here [10:22] Box is Qt compatible through the Kvantum engine. But we might introduce a new theme. Who knows... 😉 [10:27] @Schyken, @Schyken 🇬🇧 🇪🇺 ? [10:27] @VikingRedwolf, RaWr [10:27] Bloody British! 😁 [10:28] @VikingRedwolf, Yeeeee boi [10:28] I'm actually more Spanish than British, but hey, used to be royalty on both sides so I can't complain. I can put that on my resume next to "tried and failed vegan" [10:28] LOL [10:29] I DEMAND English and Scottish Unicode flags! 😐 [10:29] @VikingRedwolf, A bit annoying, innit? [10:29] Aye [10:29] England is not the UK [10:29] I think they recently added state flags for America 😆 [10:29] So that's another stab [10:29] O.O [10:30] There. Want! [10:30] @VikingRedwolf, But you can't tell Americans that. They will correct you no matter what :3 [10:30] For having state flags? [10:30] No, the English/UK think :P [10:31] Shipping an emoji applet in Lubuntu would be nice [10:31] @Schyken, I know😐 [10:31] what a productive conversation [10:31] That would really be cool. I didn't think it'd be useful when GNOME did it, but afterwards, it turns out emojis have uses! [10:32] @AlFXLogic, As always 😎 [10:32] @AlFXLogic, Yeah 🤪 [10:32] @VikingRedwolf, WHY IS THAT EMOJI SO SMALL [10:32] cant see that [10:33] (Photo, 825x661) https://i.imgur.com/JfBuegn.jpg :/ [10:33] Oh dear, what did I break 😆 [10:33] i cannot see that emoji [10:33] Oh weird. It's the "nuts" emoji [10:33] my life seems incomplete now [10:33] 🤪 [10:33] nopw [10:33] @VikingRedwolf, The funniest part is that it looks like a tiny face squinting with one eye wide open [10:33] So maybe it's the wrong nuts emoji [10:34] (Photo, 320x170) https://i.imgur.com/g0pm62x.jpg [10:34] @VikingRedwolf, WHAT [10:34] That's dreadful 😆 [10:34] 🙂 [10:34] Wait, 🥜 [10:34] Oh [10:35] That's not right [10:36] "Grinning Face With One Large And One Small Eye Emoji" [10:36] —Emojipedia [10:36] Such a memorable name [10:37] Seems a weird google search on a rainy sunday [10:45] Emmm... It's Monday. I think. [10:54] @VikingRedwolf, 12 years on nightshift. Lubuntu user. [10:55] 😁 [10:55] 🙃 [11:39] -GitHub140:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNaIp [11:39] -GitHub140:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 8168771 Marcin Mikołajczak: s/system/computer/ (#2) [11:39] -GitHub199:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 closed pull request #2: s/system/computer/ (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vN2FA [12:42] @Wolfenprey Hey so progress on that kernel bug; I just got a ping today saying that they're building a test kernel for that bug, so that's cool. [12:44] @tsimonq2, that's great! [13:23] -GitHub189:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-about] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNaCW [13:23] -GitHub189:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-about/master 88c6738 Redwolf: Fix wrong transparency logo [13:25] -GitHub84:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-about] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNaC0 [13:25] -GitHub84:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-about/master 62a8d46 Redwolf: Delete Lubuntu.png [13:26] -GitHub77:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-about] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNaCw [13:26] -GitHub77:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-about/master 8c7aa4b Redwolf: Fix logo [15:37] hi [16:20] Hi [16:20] @Wolfenprey The kernel guy put another more up-to-date kernel on the bug report, please test :D [16:21] Yep, here i go! [17:09] @tsimonq2, All seem to work fine right here! :D [17:18] :D [17:55] https://i.imgur.com/ab8Tbqs.jpg - so at least the latest bionic-desktop image starts - i would suggest to change the installer to lubuntu-next or so :P [17:56] hmm - and a little bit higher resolution in vbox would be nice to [17:56] o [18:00] and pictures in the slide show that ask if one have installed lubuntu 14.04 are just a little bit outdated imho :) [18:03] @agaida, Hmm, I can't start it here [18:03] Not in QEMU [18:04] i have just vbox [18:06] ok, the bionic daily shouldn't mention 17.10 in plymouth [18:09] I know [18:09] We're working on it :P [18:10] kvm works fine here - ok, see a short lubuntu in plymouth, then black, after that ubiquity [18:11] looks like a resolution of 1024x768 [18:15] https://i.imgur.com/vo8y2rd.jpg [18:17] dunno why i have 72 spawned kvm processes - but that should be a kvm thing [18:22] yup, I have to fix that [18:34] https://i.imgur.com/941hLQ3.jpg -- hmm, setting a default window manager within the installation process would be fine [18:35] ha! I got stuck there [18:35] and then I got a blank desktop, agaida [18:36] use choose and select plain openbox [18:36] tried, from /usr/bin or something. but really? looking for the bloody wm? [18:36] https://i.imgur.com/r2NY0ap.jpg [18:37] ok - get a black screen - but this is fine i guess [18:38] no, it's not! :( [18:38] ok, now the lxqt-session is started, screen still is black :) [18:39] you only get a (fancy ;) ) wallpaper [18:39] https://i.imgur.com/IuDLBou.jpg [18:40] that means: desktop is running [18:40] you can't do much from there [18:40] nice wallpaper design! [18:40] are you on Boxes? it was the only one that worked [18:40] alt f2 start the lxqt-runner - works fine [18:40] * redwolf kisses Wolfenprey [18:41] now execute the panel [18:41] no, this is an installed system in kvm [18:42] https://i.imgur.com/vqnJdxf.jpg :) [18:42] ah [18:42] but the better idea is to start qterminal in the runner [18:43] aha [18:45] https://i.imgur.com/D4UrV2T.jpg - the black empty bar is the unconfigured panel :) [18:46] and maybe kvm vga std is not the best idea - i should start it wih some virtualized graphics [18:47] beside of this - the installation work just fine [18:47] :P [18:48] jesus, did I do that? [18:48] maybe [18:48] that's a hell of an ugly panel [18:49] but the fine thing about is: one could fix it [18:49] shouldn't be a big problem [18:51] O.O [18:52] maybe i'm to optimistic - but i've heared something about LXQt before - they say that it is easy to configure :P [18:52] but first a little bit higher resoultion, 800x600 suck balls [18:56] .___. [18:59] https://i.imgur.com/UnoUqVK.jpg :) [18:59] as i said - fully working, only a little bit black [19:00] yes, as tsimonq2 said, the default settings are f*cked [19:01] we will find them [19:01] eeeewww, those icons! [19:01] .___. [19:01] and keep in mind that you are a dev, not a bloody user :D [19:02] hi, im a blood user! [19:02] 😐 [19:03] https://i.imgur.com/Z78jPLK.jpg - so - not so bad right now [19:05] redwolf: how is the settings package for lxqt named? [19:05] that's the problem, there's only one package for now: lubuntu-default-settings [19:05] we need to make two [19:05] right [19:06] Ohhhhhh I couldn't freaking figure that out [19:06] but thats easy [19:06] julien's task [19:06] oh look who's coming :) [19:07] come on - put some simple text files into a package and place them somewhere in the system is such big task? [19:07] @redwolf, When will he be done? 😉 [19:07] dunno :( [19:07] @agaida, They're already there, we need to split things [19:08] just do it :D [19:08] (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3584.mp4 [19:08] @agaida, It's not as easy as you think [19:08] and btw - i don't know nothing about ubuntu packaging - only a small bit about debian :P [19:08] it is [19:09] OK then split the settings package for us :P [19:09] where are the sources [19:10] GitHub.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-default-settings [19:10] ok [19:10] and btw - i wonder what lubuntu-core does in a lxqt installation [19:11] This is why [19:13] https://i.imgur.com/D76yqmb.jpg - ok, we should clean this up a little bit [19:21] tsimonq2: could you put lubuntu-meta to github too [19:25] that should be the starting point - and need to be fixed first [19:32] -GitHub162:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-artwork] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNVL1 [19:32] -GitHub162:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-artwork/master f3ca88d Redwolf: Add bionic beaver wallpaper [19:32] @agaida, It's directly generated from the seed, and that's in GitHub already [19:32] .___. [19:32] .__. [19:33] -GitHub43:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-artwork] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNVLb [19:33] -GitHub43:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-artwork/master 82d0359 Redwolf: Add bionic beaver wallpaper (alternative) [19:33] ·_____________________· [19:34] sneaky! [19:34] ._____. [20:00] @julienlavergne @VikingRedwolf wxl: I've been thinking about Lubuntu Next more and more, and I know Lubuntu should continue to have i386 images, but I wonder if we should consider deprecating Lubuntu Next i386. It includes software that might not run well on i386 hardware etc. So my question is, is Next having i386 still something we want to do? I could go either way. [20:00] all distros are considering that. some already deprecated it. [20:00] not my call. but we should vote anyways [20:03] Right, to be clear, in regular LXDE Lubuntu, we still target older hardware in particular, so we need to keep i386 there. But Next is drifting from that, and I'm not sure it's needed. [20:03] I think I'm more interested in wxl and @julienlavergne's opinion because it's not a "product we ship" yet, so it's still our decision I think. [20:04] yes. and yes, it's our baby [20:05] we make it. if you don't like it, install Fedora (and die XD ) [20:07] Hehe [20:25] tsimonq2: after looking at again it is still valid - you should fix your metapackages first [20:25] @agaida, What is broken? [20:26] not broken - the right question is: What is to much in lubuntu-qt-desktop [20:27] hint: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/lubuntu-qt-desktop [20:27] lubuntu-core [20:27] Lubuntu Desktop environment - minimal installation [20:27] apt show ... [20:28] OHHHH [20:28] I GET IT [20:28] :D [20:28] only a remark: i was serious about fixing that first [20:29] agaida: That should be lubuntu-qt-core, can you throw me a PR or am I gonna be stuck doing that simple replacement? :P [20:31] i can make a PR if you make the meta packages available - otherwise i can send a patch to launchpad [20:31] GitHub.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-seeds [20:31] and there are a few other things that don't fit well - and will make jbicha unhappy [20:31] That's where it needs to be fixed [20:32] What do you mean will make jbicha unhappy? :) [20:32] ok - i will write slow - the seeds are ok [20:32] but [20:33] lubuntu-qt-desktop should in absolutely ___no___ way depend on lubuntu-core [20:33] and this mess need to be fixed in the meta packages [20:33] Right, ok [20:33] Gotcha [20:34] Yeah, we don't have this in Git... [20:34] second and third in the metas: the note programm is dead and qt4 [20:35] and plasma-discover isn't exacly a good idea - i would split his out and (maybe) put in into the seed [20:36] I know, I'll likely deal with that mess tonight [20:37] Metapackages are going to need mangling [20:37] that should solve the "problems" with iso start - right now the image start with lightdm instead of sddm [20:37] Right [20:37] Ok [20:37] I'll look into it when I get home [20:37] Because I agree, you're right. [20:38] and the lubuntu-things will introduce some other problems like double pavucontrol and such things [20:38] and pcmanfm and pcmanfm-qt [20:38] Right [20:38] (not that this is a bad things - both are good filemangers :D [20:39] Bah, Qt is better 😉 [20:45] Qt Ftw [20:46] ...but but I want GTK4 :( [20:46] I always knew there was something wrong with you :) [20:47] yup, but you still love me ^^ [20:47] (Sticker, 510x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3585 [20:47] @MichaelTun, 😂 [20:56] -GitHub41:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n opened pull request #3: Add Polish translation (master...translation-pl) https://git.io/vNVcV [21:07] -GitHub167:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n opened pull request #4: minor naming corrections (master...patch) https://git.io/vNVCb [21:43] @Wolfenprey So about that kernel bug, could you please actually respond on the bug report? 😉 [21:44] -GitHub168:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNVBr [21:44] -GitHub168:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 29c28d7 Marcin Mikołajczak: Add Polish translation (#3)... [21:44] -GitHub100:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 closed pull request #3: Add Polish translation (master...translation-pl) https://git.io/vNVcV [21:44] -GitHub62:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNVBP [21:44] -GitHub62:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 0042682 Marcin Mikołajczak: minor naming corrections (#4)... [21:44] -GitHub59:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 closed pull request #4: minor naming corrections (master...patch) https://git.io/vNVCb [21:48] -GitHub182:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNVRW [21:48] -GitHub182:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 6fef904 Simon Quigley: That publish-pages script is horrible and hacky, be gone! [21:56]