[05:20] good morning to all [05:23] lotuspsychje: :) [05:41] hey Bashing-om [07:04] Hello guys. I just installed Ubuntu MATE on a MacBook Pro and configured GRUB. Has any of you done it? I would like to share some thoughts about the experience [07:05] morning all [07:06] lotuspsychje: You going to be on for a bit ? [07:09] lotuspsychje_: You going to be on for a bit ? [07:13] Good morning [07:13] morning lordievader [07:13] how are you? [07:13] Hey EriC^^ [07:13] Doing good here, how are you? [07:13] good thanks [07:39] good morning, all [07:40] Hey ducasse [07:43] hi lordievader - all well? [07:43] Doing good here, how are you? [07:50] bbl work [07:50] all good, thanks [07:51] hey ducasse [07:56] hi EriC^^, how are you today? [07:58] good thanks, you? [08:00] all good here, just having a relaxing morning. === kostkon__ is now known as kostkon [09:53] Hi girls :-D [09:53] O__o [09:53] hello sir :-) [09:54] That's so sexist, assuming gender. :P [09:54] true .. but i like the confusing some have about mine [09:54] Maar goed, goedemorgen! :D [09:54] oh, jij weer [09:54] "heks" kinda gives it away, no? :o [09:54] wikipedia heeft het goed. [09:54] "meestal" [09:55] Ah, ok. [09:55] I can't be bothered either way, tbh. :P [09:56] i am waiting for a core 2 duo laptop .. [09:56] ^__^ [09:56] i love freebies, well i have to wash windows for it. [09:58] 2? [09:58] Or more? [09:59] maybe 5, all ground floor. he does not want money for it, so we do it like this, closed wallets [09:59] Aight. :) [10:00] *if* it has just 2 gb ddr2, i have 4 gb sodimm here eating dust [10:03] > i am waiting for a core 2 duo laptop .. [10:03] As in the machine physically, or virtually? [10:07] physically [10:07] Any plans for the machine? [10:07] jups, 17.10 KDE [10:08] I really like a 2nd machine, neighbour had no desktop spare, justan old core 2 dus.. [10:12] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT5apgxUMAAuUPM.jpg:large [11:20] Hi folks [11:22] :) [11:22] Hi [11:23] What do you guys use to run Ubuntu on Windows 7? [11:23] windows 7 is EOL, no? [11:23] Not my call, company machine, but sure. [11:24] At some point, in some future, we'll get upgraded to 10. But today is not that day. [11:25] i *would* use vmware [11:25] In windows 10 there's bash on ubuntu on windows which isn't bad. Dunno about 7 [11:25] marcoscosmos: Yes, obviously. See above. :P [11:26] But basically it's a WM or bust if you want to use more than quick access stuff [11:27] For quick access stuff, I use cygwin, but I need Ubuntu for some other things. [11:27] oerheks: But? [11:27] Like, it was easier to use bash-on-windows to run tensorflow-tensorboard than whatever bs I'd need to do naively but that's probably like the upper limit [11:28] yeah bash-for-windows is probably proximal to cygwin. Bit more reliable, less featured [11:28] features* [11:29] More reliable, how? I have hardly any issues with cygwin. [11:29] well, as a student at university in first year the ability to get cygwin running on the university systems was like, 50/50 [11:29] the probability of* [11:30] it was awful [11:30] :D [11:30] also I think cygwin does some magic to be slightly more windows esque than a proper wm [11:31] Yes, it does. [11:31] But TBH ATM I only use windows if I must [11:32] Which reminds me I still need to go return my damn laptop ugh [11:32] It supports //server/share and such by default. And it somehow translates paths. [11:32] yeah, that [11:32] Everything is Windows, here, and it's fine, really. [11:32] Well, mostly, anyway. [11:34] :/ [11:43] stupid goddamn hexchat [11:43] What IRC client do you guys use? [11:43] hexchat [11:44] welcome to irc, dropping connections is so much more fun [11:44] I'm using it atm but it's kind of so-so. Also it crashes whenever my task tray dies (i.e. when I reboot my panel to update the config) [11:44] which, atm, is /a lot/ [11:45] Also I need the mouse to change channels, or just don't know the irc commands well yet [11:47] marcoscosmos: Riot [11:47] Only downside is that is it is written in node.js 😭 [11:48] Lol [11:48] I'll try it [11:48] irssi \o/ [11:48] I'm too tired to get weechat working atm [11:50] marcoscosmos: Do note that Riot is a Matrix client. (Matrix can be bridged into IRC, hence it is my IRC client) [11:50] ultimately I'll probably opt for an ncurses client but [11:50] Eh does it require config at this moment, lordievader ? [11:51] Well you need an account at some homeserver (matrix.org hosts a public homeserver). Then you can follow https://gist.github.com/fstab/ce805d3001600ac147b79d413668770d [11:53] Ehk tomorrow then. I've literally burnt the last three days trying to configure my system, I'm all out of energy [11:53] jink can you help me be real lazy and post to me the command for joining freenode in irssi, with all params? [11:54] Please? :p [11:54] if you are *real* lazy, you won't copy it [11:55] well I tried /sconnect irc.freenode.net but, it returns "not connected to server" [11:55] if I was really lazy, I wouldn't have tried first [11:56] /server chat.freenode.net , I think [11:56] /connect irc.freenode.net without s [11:56] oerheks, ty [11:57] now, sec [11:58] now all hide [11:58] marcoscosmos: https://irssi.org/documentation/startup/ [11:59] lordievader: ty as well [11:59] ^ also explains how to do auto connect, etc. [11:59] heh [11:59] /server doers work [11:59] yup [12:00] Which key is meta? alt? [12:00] yes, alt, kgood [12:02] irssi is great for getting out of jams without a desktop [12:02] yeah that makes a lot of sense [12:03] it's helped me numerous times [12:03] I'm gradually using more and more console stuff over GUI like. I always preffered bash commands over menus so I like rofi but [12:03] I'm still not sold on like, vim [12:04] mainly due to scrolling tbh [12:04] I still prefer the gui since I'm in several chats simultaneously [12:04] the modes are fine but, I'm still significantly slower with vim because I usually just scroll [12:05] well yeah but then i have to use my muose to switch chats kaj, I'd rather either uses split windows in an ncurses clients or, open multiple terminals myself, since I'm using a TWM [12:06] Ah he left -_- [12:07] Vim is awesome \o/ [12:07] marcoscosmos, that was me on irssi [12:07] Yeah it looks promising but. [12:07] takes time to adapt [12:07] currently I like atom [12:07] use vim a bit [12:08] BluesKaj: Ah. [12:08] okay how do I make a right-split in irrsi [12:08] ? [12:09] or more tabs? [12:09] I have more tabs, I want to split [12:09] marcoscosmos: You know you can type multiline sentences on IRC? [12:10] I'm just gunna open a new window. Sorry, this is my natural typing pattern. My fingers move faster than my thoughts. I'll re-learn to bunch sentances if I'm reminded enough, lordievader [12:11] 👍 [12:11] I'm not splitting up messages over lines, just, hitting enter as I finish a thought? [12:12] marcoscosmos, I use yakuake , it splits, forget the gtk name for it tho [12:13] ahh yes, guake [12:13] alright, I'll try it [12:14] I'll need to remember to uninstall the leftovers in the morning I guess [12:14] anyway, brb [12:14] wait, I know this [12:14] Wait what do mean by it splits? [12:20] splits left right, or top to bottom [12:21] quake, the terminal? [12:21] or like, irrsi /in/ quake? [12:21] a right click on the "shell" in the bottom left gives a dialog/context menu with options [12:22] because I can just just make new windows [12:22] I use a tiling window manager [12:22] i3 would work I guess [12:22] BSPWM in my case [12:23] I should probably give i3 a proper go eventually [12:23] oh forgot you're on windows [12:23] No? [12:23] ok [12:23] That was jink IIRC [12:23] I'm actually on arch-linux xD [12:25] ok, my mistake [12:25] * oerheks waiting for i4 [12:35] bbiab [12:40] oerheks: wait is i3 actually a successor to something? [12:43] i3 is the successor to wmii [12:52] hi everyone [12:53] \o pauljw - everything well? [12:54] hi ducasse, all good here, thx. you? [12:54] O drr ducasse [12:55] ... Oh ok*? [12:55] Hi pauljw [12:55] Hi ducasse [12:57] Hey pauljw [12:58] hi BluesKaj, lordievader :) [12:58] hey EriC^^ [12:58] hey pauljw :) [12:58] :) [12:59] Hi EriC^^ [13:15] hey BluesKaj [13:16] lolz, that V7 runs debian, but continues asking in ubuntu :-D [13:16] or he fools anybody, and does run a fork like mint [13:17] That would be fun. If he runs Mint, claims he runs Debian and asks questions in #ubuntu. [13:18] :) [13:19] oerheks, seems that V7 guy is on his phone atm, according to his "version" [13:22] lordievader, his nick isn't listed in #debian [13:23] BluesKaj: I was talking hypothetical 😉 [13:25] mayne they kicked him from debian, some of the ops are really pedantic and overly strict [13:25] maybe [13:26] he is more active in ##linux, with the debian story [13:26] yeah i see him there [13:27] wait for it... [13:27] :-D [13:27] no, it should run @ 800 mhz [14:51] !ping [14:51] pong! [16:26] yay ... [16:26] Changes for intel-microcode versions: [16:26] Installed version: 3.20180108.0~ubuntu17.10.1 [16:26] Available version: 3.20180108.0+really20170707ubuntu17.10.1 [16:28] yes, we are downgrading the microcode [16:28] but i had no issues, at least i think [16:29] neither did I. But Intel found more and more processors were prone to error [16:30] in other words: Although Intel had much more time to fix the issues, they failed [16:30] (really, as expected, this type of change is not a trivial change) [16:30] and 4.15 gets a rc9 stage [16:30] yep :-) [16:31] oke, i am updated .. now waiting for a laptop with core2duo to be dropped by [16:31] not sure it is 32 or 64 bit, we'll see [19:05] nacc: IRT Docfxit forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383068&p=13733033#post13733033 refers . OP has no clue what he is doing .. Gentle hands :) [19:06] Bashing-om: ah [19:09] hi [19:10] do you agree that packages.ubuntu.com is stale? the https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-generic package is apparently on version 4.4.0.109.114 since january 10 when https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/ was released [19:11] tomreyn: that is the version in -security and -updates [19:11] tomreyn: what do you think is stale? [19:12] nacc: the version info provided on the website [19:12] on packages.ubuntu.com [19:12] i'm looking atit [19:12] it's correct? [19:12] tomreyn: what *specifically* do you think is wrong? [19:12] for me https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-generic says the latest pakage version is 4.4.0.104.109 [19:13] tomreyn: oh! i totally misread the number :) [19:13] yeah that's weird [19:13] took me a while to realise it, too [19:14] thanks for confirming [19:14] i *think* you can file bugs on it [19:14] (p.u.c. itself) [19:14] alejdg is already looking into it in #canonical-sysadmin thankfully [19:14] ah nice [19:14] i'd assume it's a buggy cronjob [19:15] * tomreyn suspects another mechanism broken during meltdown patching [19:15] so many things to monitor ;) [19:16] i know a lot of infra was disabled for a while, so i'd imagine that, yeah [19:16] and it's possible this might be an untested path :) [19:16] it gets out of date regularly [19:17] but not more than a day or two usually, i think [19:17] right [22:23] https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=does+tux+have+babies [22:25] oerheks: Look'n - I can use a smile about now :) [22:25] nope :-( [22:29] oerheks: babies ... Garunteeed to put a smile on the face :) [22:29] not for me ;) [22:30] daftykins: Must be running scared ...lol [23:05] hm, I didn't know this before, but apparently Bednet is based on Ubuntu [23:05] https://bednet.be/bednet-english === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon