[05:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:23] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :)
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[07:04] <marcosfermin> Hello guys. I just installed Ubuntu MATE on a MacBook Pro and configured GRUB. Has any of you done it? I would like to share some thoughts about the experience
[07:05] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:06] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: You going to be on for a bit ?
[07:09] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje_: You going to be on for a bit ?
[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:13] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[07:13] <EriC^^> how are you?
[07:13] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[07:13] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[07:13] <EriC^^> good thanks
[07:39] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:40] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:43] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well?
[07:43] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[07:50] <lotuspsychje_> bbl work
[07:50] <ducasse> all good, thanks
[07:51] <EriC^^> hey ducasse
[07:56] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, how are you today?
[07:58] <EriC^^> good thanks, you?
[08:00] <ducasse> all good here, just having a relaxing morning.
[09:53] <oerheks> Hi girls :-D
[09:53] <jink> O__o
[09:53] <oerheks> hello sir :-)
[09:54] <jink> That's so sexist, assuming gender. :P
[09:54] <oerheks> true .. but i like the confusing some have about mine
[09:54] <jink> Maar goed, goedemorgen! :D
[09:54] <oerheks> oh, jij weer
[09:54] <jink> "heks" kinda gives it away, no? :o
[09:54] <oerheks> wikipedia heeft het goed.
[09:54] <oerheks> "meestal"
[09:55] <jink> Ah, ok.
[09:55] <jink> I can't be bothered either way, tbh. :P
[09:56] <oerheks> i am waiting for a core 2 duo laptop ..
[09:56] <jink> ^__^
[09:56] <oerheks> i love freebies, well i have to wash windows for it.
[09:58] <jink> 2?
[09:58] <jink> Or more?
[09:59] <oerheks> maybe 5, all ground floor. he does not want money for it, so we do it like this, closed wallets
[09:59] <jink> Aight. :)
[10:00] <oerheks> *if* it has just 2 gb ddr2, i have 4 gb sodimm here eating dust
[10:03] <lordievader>  > i am waiting for a core 2 duo laptop ..
[10:03] <lordievader> As in the machine physically, or virtually?
[10:07] <oerheks> physically
[10:07] <lordievader> Any plans for the machine?
[10:07] <oerheks> jups, 17.10 KDE
[10:08] <oerheks> I really like a 2nd machine, neighbour had no desktop spare, justan old core 2 dus..
[10:12] <jink> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT5apgxUMAAuUPM.jpg:large
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:22] <jink> :)
[11:22] <marcoscosmos> Hi
[11:23] <jink> What do you guys use to run Ubuntu on Windows 7?
[11:23] <oerheks> windows 7 is EOL, no?
[11:23] <jink> Not my call, company machine, but sure.
[11:24] <jink> At some point, in some future, we'll get upgraded to 10.  But today is not that day.
[11:25] <oerheks> i *would* use vmware
[11:25] <marcoscosmos> In windows 10 there's bash on ubuntu on windows which isn't bad. Dunno about 7
[11:25] <jink> marcoscosmos: Yes, obviously.  See above. :P
[11:26] <marcoscosmos> But basically it's a WM or bust if you want to use more than quick access stuff
[11:27] <jink> For quick access stuff, I use cygwin, but I need Ubuntu for some other things.
[11:27] <jink> oerheks: But?
[11:27] <marcoscosmos> Like, it was easier to use bash-on-windows to run tensorflow-tensorboard than whatever bs I'd need to do naively but that's probably like the upper limit
[11:28] <marcoscosmos> yeah bash-for-windows is probably proximal to cygwin. Bit more reliable, less featured
[11:28] <marcoscosmos> features*
[11:29] <jink> More reliable, how?  I have hardly any issues with cygwin.
[11:29] <marcoscosmos> well, as a student at university in first year the ability to get cygwin running on the university systems was like, 50/50
[11:29] <marcoscosmos> the probability of*
[11:30] <marcoscosmos> it was awful
[11:30] <jink> :D
[11:30] <marcoscosmos> also I think cygwin does some magic to be slightly more windows esque than a proper wm
[11:31] <jink> Yes, it does.
[11:31] <marcoscosmos> But TBH ATM I only use windows if I must
[11:32] <marcoscosmos> Which reminds me I still need to go return my damn laptop ugh
[11:32] <jink> It supports //server/share and such by default.  And it somehow translates paths.
[11:32] <marcoscosmos> yeah, that
[11:32] <jink> Everything is Windows, here, and it's fine, really.
[11:32] <jink> Well, mostly, anyway.
[11:34] <jink> :/
[11:43] <marcoscosmos> stupid goddamn hexchat
[11:43] <marcoscosmos> What IRC client do you guys use?
[11:43] <oerheks> hexchat
[11:44] <oerheks> welcome to irc, dropping connections is so much more fun
[11:44] <marcoscosmos> I'm using it atm but it's kind of so-so. Also it crashes whenever my task tray dies (i.e. when I reboot my panel to update the config)
[11:44] <marcoscosmos> which, atm, is /a lot/
[11:45] <marcoscosmos> Also I need the mouse to change channels, or just don't know the irc commands well yet
[11:47] <lordievader> marcoscosmos: Riot
[11:47] <lordievader> Only downside is that is it is written in node.js 😭
[11:48] <marcoscosmos> Lol
[11:48] <marcoscosmos> I'll try it
[11:48] <jink> irssi \o/
[11:48] <marcoscosmos> I'm too tired to get weechat working atm
[11:50] <lordievader> marcoscosmos: Do note that Riot is a Matrix client. (Matrix can be bridged into IRC, hence it is my IRC client)
[11:50] <marcoscosmos> ultimately I'll probably opt for an ncurses client but
[11:50] <marcoscosmos> Eh does it require config at this moment, lordievader ?
[11:51] <lordievader> Well you need an account at some homeserver (matrix.org hosts a public homeserver). Then you can follow https://gist.github.com/fstab/ce805d3001600ac147b79d413668770d
[11:53] <marcoscosmos> Ehk tomorrow then. I've literally burnt the last three days trying to configure my system, I'm all out of energy
[11:53] <marcoscosmos> jink can you help me be real lazy and post to me the command for joining freenode in irssi, with all params?
[11:54] <marcoscosmos> Please? :p
[11:54] <oerheks> if you are *real* lazy, you won't copy it
[11:55] <marcoscosmos> well I tried /sconnect irc.freenode.net but, it returns "not connected to server"
[11:55] <marcoscosmos> if I was really lazy, I wouldn't have tried first
[11:56] <BluesKaj>  /server chat.freenode.net , I think
[11:56] <oerheks>  /connect irc.freenode.net without s
[11:56] <marcoscosmos> oerheks, ty
[11:57] <marcoscosmos> now, sec
[11:58] <oerheks> now all hide
[11:58] <lordievader> marcoscosmos: https://irssi.org/documentation/startup/
[11:59] <marcoscosmos> lordievader: ty as well
[11:59] <lordievader> ^ also explains how to do auto connect, etc.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> heh
[11:59] <BluesKaj>  /server doers work
[11:59] <kaj> yup
[12:00] <marcoscosmos> Which key is meta? alt?
[12:00] <marcoscosmos> yes, alt, kgood
[12:02] <kaj> irssi is great for getting out of jams without a desktop
[12:02] <marcoscosmos> yeah that makes a lot of sense
[12:03] <kaj> it's helped me numerous times
[12:03] <marcoscosmos> I'm gradually using more and more console stuff over GUI like. I always preffered bash commands over menus so I like rofi but
[12:03] <marcoscosmos> I'm still not sold on like, vim
[12:04] <marcoscosmos> mainly due to scrolling tbh
[12:04] <kaj> I still prefer the gui since I'm in several chats simultaneously
[12:04] <marcoscosmos> the modes are fine but, I'm still significantly slower with vim because I usually just scroll
[12:05] <marcoscosmos> well yeah but then i have to use my muose to switch chats kaj, I'd rather either uses split windows in an ncurses clients or, open multiple terminals myself, since I'm using a TWM
[12:06] <marcoscosmos> Ah he left -_-
[12:07] <lordievader> Vim is awesome \o/
[12:07] <BluesKaj> marcoscosmos, that was me on irssi
[12:07] <marcoscosmos> Yeah it looks promising but.
[12:07] <marcoscosmos> takes time to adapt
[12:07] <marcoscosmos> currently I like atom
[12:07] <marcoscosmos> use vim a bit
[12:08] <marcoscosmos> BluesKaj: Ah.
[12:08] <marcoscosmos> okay how do I make a right-split in irrsi
[12:08] <marcoscosmos> ?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> or more tabs?
[12:09] <marcoscosmos> I have more tabs, I want to split
[12:09] <lordievader> marcoscosmos: You know you can type multiline sentences on IRC?
[12:10] <marcoscosmos> I'm just gunna open a new window. Sorry, this is my natural typing pattern. My fingers move faster than my thoughts. I'll re-learn to bunch sentances if I'm reminded enough, lordievader
[12:11] <lordievader> 👍
[12:11] <marcoscosmos> I'm not splitting up messages over lines, just, hitting enter as I finish a thought?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> marcoscosmos, I use yakuake , it splits, forget the gtk name for it tho
[12:13] <BluesKaj> ahh yes, guake
[12:13] <marcoscosmos> alright, I'll try it
[12:14] <marcoscosmos> I'll need to remember to uninstall the leftovers in the morning I guess
[12:14] <marcoscosmos> anyway, brb
[12:14] <marcoscosmos> wait, I know this
[12:14] <marcoscosmos> Wait what do mean by it splits?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> splits left right, or top to bottom
[12:21] <marcoscosmos> quake, the terminal?
[12:21] <marcoscosmos> or like, irrsi /in/ quake?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> a right click on the "shell" in the bottom left gives a dialog/context menu with options
[12:22] <marcoscosmos> because I can just just make new windows
[12:22] <marcoscosmos> I use a tiling window manager
[12:22] <BluesKaj> i3 would work I guess
[12:22] <marcoscosmos> BSPWM in my case
[12:23] <marcoscosmos> I should probably give i3 a proper go eventually
[12:23] <BluesKaj> oh forgot you're on windows
[12:23] <marcoscosmos> No?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:23] <marcoscosmos> That was jink IIRC
[12:23] <marcoscosmos> I'm actually on arch-linux xD
[12:25] <BluesKaj> ok, my mistake
[12:25]  * oerheks waiting for i4
[12:35] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[12:40] <marcoscosmos> oerheks: wait is i3 actually a successor to something?
[12:43] <ducasse> i3 is the successor to wmii
[12:52] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:53] <ducasse> \o pauljw - everything well?
[12:54] <pauljw> hi ducasse, all good here, thx.  you?
[12:54] <marcoscosmos> O drr ducasse
[12:55] <marcoscosmos> ... Oh ok*?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[12:57] <lordievader> Hey pauljw
[12:58] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj, lordievader :)
[12:58] <pauljw> hey EriC^^
[12:58] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[12:58] <pauljw> :)
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[13:15] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[13:16] <oerheks> lolz, that V7 runs debian, but continues asking in ubuntu :-D
[13:16] <oerheks> or he fools anybody, and does run a fork like mint
[13:17] <lordievader> That would be fun. If he runs Mint, claims he runs Debian and asks questions in #ubuntu.
[13:18] <pauljw> :)
[13:19] <BluesKaj> oerheks, seems that V7 guy is on his phone atm, according to his "version"
[13:22] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  his nick isn't listed in #debian
[13:23] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I was talking hypothetical 😉
[13:25] <BluesKaj> mayne they kicked him from debian, some of the ops are really pedantic and overly strict
[13:25] <BluesKaj> maybe
[13:26] <oerheks> he is more active in ##linux, with the debian story
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yeah i see him there
[13:27] <oerheks> wait for it...
[13:27] <oerheks> :-D
[13:27] <oerheks> no, it should run @ 800 mhz
[14:51] <EriC^^> !ping
[16:26] <oerheks> yay ...
[16:26] <oerheks> Changes for intel-microcode versions:
[16:26] <oerheks> Installed version: 3.20180108.0~ubuntu17.10.1
[16:26] <oerheks> Available version: 3.20180108.0+really20170707ubuntu17.10.1
[16:28] <hggdh> yes, we are downgrading the microcode
[16:28] <oerheks> but i had no issues, at least i think
[16:29] <hggdh> neither did I. But Intel found more and more processors were prone to error
[16:30] <hggdh> in other words: Although Intel had much more time to fix the issues, they failed
[16:30] <hggdh> (really, as expected, this type of change is not a trivial change)
[16:30] <oerheks> and 4.15 gets a rc9 stage
[16:30] <hggdh> yep :-)
[16:31] <oerheks> oke, i am updated .. now waiting for a laptop with core2duo to be dropped by
[16:31] <oerheks> not sure it is 32 or 64 bit, we'll see
[19:05] <Bashing-om> nacc: IRT Docfxit forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383068&p=13733033#post13733033 refers . OP has no clue what he is doing .. Gentle hands :)
[19:06] <nacc> Bashing-om: ah
[19:09] <tomreyn> hi
[19:10] <tomreyn> do you agree that packages.ubuntu.com is stale? the https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-generic package is apparently on version 4.4.0.109.114 since january 10 when https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/ was released
[19:11] <nacc> tomreyn: that is the version in -security and -updates
[19:11] <nacc> tomreyn: what do you think is stale?
[19:12] <tomreyn> nacc: the version info provided on the website
[19:12] <tomreyn> on packages.ubuntu.com
[19:12] <nacc> i'm looking atit
[19:12] <nacc> it's correct?
[19:12] <nacc> tomreyn: what *specifically* do you think is wrong?
[19:12] <tomreyn> for me https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-generic says the latest pakage version is 4.4.0.104.109
[19:13] <nacc> tomreyn: oh! i totally misread the number :)
[19:13] <nacc> yeah that's weird
[19:13] <tomreyn> took me a while to realise it, too
[19:14] <tomreyn> thanks for confirming
[19:14] <nacc> i *think* you can file bugs on it
[19:14] <nacc> (p.u.c. itself)
[19:14] <tomreyn> alejdg is already looking into it in #canonical-sysadmin thankfully
[19:14] <nacc> ah nice
[19:14] <nacc> i'd assume it's a buggy cronjob
[19:15]  * tomreyn suspects another mechanism broken during meltdown patching
[19:15] <tomreyn> so many things to monitor ;)
[19:16] <nacc> i know a lot of infra was disabled for a while, so i'd imagine that, yeah
[19:16] <nacc> and it's possible this  might be an untested path :)
[19:16] <tomreyn> it gets out of date regularly
[19:17] <tomreyn> but not more than a day or two usually, i think
[19:17] <nacc> right
[22:23] <oerheks> https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=does+tux+have+babies
[22:25] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Look'n - I can use a smile about now :)
[22:25] <oerheks> nope :-(
[22:29] <Bashing-om> oerheks: babies ... Garunteeed to put a smile on the face :)
[22:29] <daftykins> not for me ;)
[22:30] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Must be running scared ...lol
[23:05] <JanC> hm, I didn't know this before, but apparently Bednet is based on Ubuntu
[23:05] <JanC> https://bednet.be/bednet-english