[00:00] <zach_> So, i have Ubuntu mate, is it safe to remove the mate-desktop?
[00:00] <zach_> i plan on using openbox
[00:02] <zach_> anyone?
[00:05] <tatertots> zach_: are you chatting from the computer right now ? yes or no
[00:05] <zach_> yes
[00:05] <tatertots> zach_: open terminal
[00:05] <zach_> k
[00:06] <tatertots> zach_: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[00:06] <tatertots> zach_: let me know when done.
[00:06] <zach_> k
[00:06] <zach_> done
[00:06] <tatertots> zach_: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[00:07] <tatertots> zach_: share url/link here
[00:07] <zach_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26434197/
[00:07] <zach_> there
[00:07] <tatertots> zach_: apt list --installed|grep mate|pastebinit
[00:07] <tatertots> zach_: share url/link here
[00:08] <zach_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26434201/
[00:08] <dirby> Bashing-om you still there? here's my cat https://pastebin.com/2QNE6C0v
[00:09] <tatertots> zach_: apt show mate-desktop|pastebinit
[00:09] <tatertots> zach_: share url/link here
[00:09] <zach_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26434206/
[00:10] <tatertots> zach_: Depends: hicolor-icon-theme, libmate-desktop-2-17 (>= 1.10.0), mate-desktop-common (= 1.12.1-1), mate-user-guide, libc6 (>= 2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.28.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), python
[00:10] <tatertots> zach_: Breaks: mate-desktop-gnome
[00:10] <zach_> ?
[00:10] <tatertots> zach_: Replaces: mate-desktop-gnome
[00:10] <zach_> im confused
[00:10] <dirby> Bashing-om woops wrong paste
[00:10] <Bashing-om> dirby: yeah, I wandered back . look'n .
[00:11] <dirby> Bashing-om here you go https://pastebin.com/ginj3FTZ
[00:12] <tatertots> zach_: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26434206/
[00:12] <azizLIGHT> Well when I do nomodeset on grub I get black screen and no boot on live USB of 16.04.3
[00:12] <Bashing-om> dirby: wih " ro recovery nomodeset " will not have a GUI driver loaded . Can you boot up normally ?
[00:12] <Bashing-om> with*
[00:13] <zach_> tatertots, uh... sorta newbish, and i am running a 10gb VM and i need the space so i can expiriment with a tutoriel i found that will let me have a FULL ubuntu2go installation
[00:14] <zach_> i am just wondering if its safe to remove mate-desktop and replace it with Openbox
[00:14] <tatertots> zach_: ah you need space...i understand
[00:14] <dirby> Bashing-om no I can't :(
[00:15] <dirby> Bashing-om it's boot looping
[00:15] <tatertots> zach_: Drives:    HDD Total Size: 10.7GB (63.4% used)
[00:15] <zach_> yep
[00:15] <tatertots> zach_: standby
[00:15] <zach_> k
[00:17] <Bashing-om> dirby: What results when at the login screen with key combo ctl+alt+F1 ? Can you log into the system via the console interface ?
[00:18] <tatertots> zach_: sudo du -mh --max-depth=1 /|pastebinit
[00:18] <zach_> one sec
[00:18] <dirby> Bashing-om okay I'll be a while, if you don't mind though :)
[00:19] <Bashing-om> digilord: I be here . We work to find out the why .
[00:19] <zach_> I ran it with Sudo, but it says permission denied on some things, heres what it gave me
[00:19] <zach_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26434248/
[00:21] <tatertots> zach_: hmm you didn't capacity plan the virtual machine deployment with enough disk space for any real usage with a mere 10GB..but the link shows where the "fat" is, if you were so inclined to want to trim "fat".
[00:22] <tatertots> rather skinny but none the less..you want to trim "fat" don't you?
[00:22] <zach_> okay? what programs to "apt purge"?
[00:22] <zach_> And yes,
[00:23] <zach_> i want to be as barebones as possible, yet still have a desktop enviroment, even if it is the tricky Openbox,
[00:25] <tatertots> zach_: well judging by the data in the link
[00:26] <tatertots> zach_: there's only 2x/two places that occupy "GB's" of space
[00:26] <zach_> okay?
[00:27] <tatertots> zach_: appears everything else is ....."drop in the bucket" so to speak
[00:27] <zach_> okay.
[00:27] <tatertots> zach_: would you agree?
[00:27] <zach_> im actually still quite newbish with this stuff
[00:28] <tatertots> zach_: o
[00:28] <zach_> if only TreeSize was for Linux, than i could see it better
[00:28] <tatertots> zach_: i'm not too sure how to interpret that.....i am also "newbie".
[00:28] <zach_> As in, i suck at alot of stuff, but can find workarounds
[00:29] <zach_> if need be, i can let you ssh, and maybe join a discord server of mine so we can chat better
[00:29] <monster> hi
[00:30] <tatertots> zach_: i understand
[00:31] <tatertots> zach_: If you will allow me to ask you a few preliminary questions and provide honest answers remote access may not be needed. I've gotten rather good at asking questions.
[00:32] <zach_> okay, ask away
[00:32] <zach_> also if need be, i can resetup the vm for an added 4gb
[00:33] <tatertots> zach_: your vm is ubuntu mate, this is a fact already known....what is the host OS?
[00:33] <zach_> Win10
[00:33] <dirby> Bashing-om I'm back, it looks as though I can't get into the console through ctrl alt and F1 but I can get to the # root from a gui menu on boot
[00:33] <zach_> and that is the (improperly named) Windows Subsytem for Linux
[00:34] <zach_> so it contains a ubuntu bash shell
[00:34] <tatertots> zach_: It maybe possible to "extend" the 10GB of space you "initially" allocated to the vm. This would be done in the hypervisor software aka virtualbox.
[00:35] <zach_> k,
[00:35] <Bashing-om> dirby: Ouch - UNgood, as that implies the issue is greater than a driver problem .
[00:36] <Zombie> Anyone Else? I am attempting to Authenticate DoveCot IMAP to a Samba 4 Active Directory Server running Ubuntu 16.04
[00:36] <pavlos> zach_: here's how to resize a VM under windows http://derekmolloy.ie/resize-a-virtualbox-disk/
[00:36] <tatertots> zach_: once you have "extended" at the hypervisor level...you will still need to perform more actions to "truly" realize the newly added space...but don't worry about that now...just try to find me again if you manage to get that far.
[00:36] <Zombie> I also need to know if its possible to get libuser-ldap
[00:36] <Zombie> on Ubuntu 16.04
[00:36] <zach_> okay, uh...
[00:37] <zach_> try bitchat.im before i logout please?
[00:38] <tatertots> zach_: i'm all too familiar with most methods of network communication(s)...this medium is sufficient for the task that you have been assigned.
[00:38] <Bashing-om> dirby: Let's take a poke at it . in this root shell run ' mount -o remount,rw / (Note there is no space after the comma.) ; apt update ; apt full-upgrade ; apt 0f install ' . Any errors reported ?
[00:39] <dirby> Bashing-om Yikes! It worked really well with 15.10 until I upgraded yesterday
[00:40] <zach_> tatertots, alright
[00:40] <dirby> Bashing-om : I'll be Bach
[00:40] <dirby> again
[00:43] <zach_> shuting the vbox down now
[00:50] <donofrio> k what am I doing wrong? https://apaste.info/shYd
[00:52] <nicomachus> donofrio: using sudo su
[00:53] <donofrio> humm I'l check...
[00:53] <nicomachus> donofrio: that's way too long to even read through. You're going to have to consisely summarize the problem for us, not show a couple thousand line pastes that even includes missed commands because of spelling. no thanks.
[00:56] <donofrio> nicomachus,  sudo cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DWITH_SSE2=ON -DWITH_CUPS=on -DWITH_WAYLAND=off -DWITH_PULSE=on -DWITH_LIBSYSTEMD=OFF -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/opt/remmina_devel/freerdp does work as well
[00:57] <nicomachus> no idea what you're talking about
[00:58] <donofrio> nicomachus, you asked "using sudo" and that was my output (have you compiled on ubuntu?)
[00:59] <Ben64> donofrio: compiling stuff is beyond the scope of this channel, you should contact the developer for help with their software
[01:00] <Zach> good news, i have used WSL to get hexchat
[01:01] <donofrio> Guest3453, so do I - I mean even right now (http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk
[01:01] <Guest3453> tatertots, im here, using the windows subsystemforlinux
[01:02] <donofrio> tatertots, I'm 17.04 in wsl ;) w/xfce4
[01:02] <Guest3453> how do i register my Nick?
[01:02] <Guest3453> and is is i, zach_
[01:03] <Ben64> !register | Guest3453
[01:04] <Guest3453> !register
[01:04] <Guest3453> hmm
[01:05] <ZachD> there we go
[01:05] <donofrio> ZachD, I've been using WSL for over 10 months now.....daily at work ;)
[01:06] <ZachD> Its very useful, ive been using it for personal stuff
[01:06] <donofrio> ZachD, I basically use windows 10 as a 15 gb bootloader into ubuntu goodness ;)
[01:06] <ZachD> lol
[01:06] <ZachD> i combine it with Xming Server for windows
[01:06] <donofrio> xming doesn't do thing right I though and so i'm using VcXsrv
[01:07] <donofrio> ZachD, my whole build is outlined in the powerpoint ppt file at tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk
[01:07] <TJ-> It's a superb pyschological technique by Microsoft; get folks to pay the Windows licensing to  use F/OSS
[01:07] <ZachD> i even have an alias programmed to start at boot, Dlocalhost_0, what this does is it basically runs this "export DISPLAY=localhost:0"
[01:08] <ZachD> i havent ONCE payed for windows, i just used the media creation tool
[01:08] <donofrio> (I run on two desktop - HP G2 600's - using microsoft's "Mouses without Boarders" to bridge the shared HID to both desktop with shared clipboard
[01:08] <donofrio> TJ-, no vmware airwatch client yet so had to use windows 10
[01:09] <donofrio> this is at work desktop my - daily driver
[01:09] <ZachD> tatertots, hello? tatertots?
[01:11] <TJ-> donofrio: I've watched MS for so long I find it humorous now. They started out claiming Linux would eat your work, then that it infringed on several unspecified Microsoft patents, and now they integrate as a sub-system now it's become possible to do without Windows entirely. It's what bug #1 is about
[01:13] <donofrio> TJ-, it's a great method of introduing the world to linux allowing them to cutover in a few years not needing m$ as much...
[01:14] <TJ-> donofrio: if that happens, yes, but I don't think that's the intention or expectation :)
[01:15] <donofrio> so as well get sccm to manage ubuntu in wsl like spacewalk would then well be in businness for a nice managed linux desktop for business ;)
[01:16] <picarda> I must install Bind to host a subdomain?
[01:18] <TJ-> picarda: bind or another DNS server, to host the DNS *zone* file for the sub-domain
[01:19] <tertle-> if i install Tails, will people still be able to see me?
[01:20] <picarda> I control my dns at my provider...and I use Digital Ocean...I did the record A at my registrar but I need to do it at DO also?
[01:20] <donofrio> tatertots, ZachD  join up over at #ubuntu-on-windows I lurk here and there always
[01:21] <capella> sighs ... my hp omen just doesn't want to have a dual-boot Win / *nix 17.10 ... :-(     My 17.04 ran like a champ since June .... upgrade -> 17.10 ? fail ...
[01:22] <tatertots> ZachD: hi
[01:22] <tertle-> i stopped upgrading at Ubuntu 10
[01:22] <tatertots> ZachD: are you the zach from before?
[01:22] <tertle-> still running like a dream here
[01:22] <capella> clean install and upgrade 16.04 -> 17.10 fail, clean install 17.10 into unallocated partition ? fail ... Im confused
[01:23] <capella> But back on 17.04 so meh maybe :-/
[01:23] <tatertots> donofrio: are you a user i've recently assisted using a different screen name?
[01:24] <donofrio> I use same nickname
[01:24] <ZachD> tatertots, yep, using my WSL instalation
[01:25] <ZachD> i figured it would be eauer to simply reset the VM, (delete and make a new one)
[01:25] <tatertots> ZachD: i understand, you are no longer using the virtual machine shown here https://paste.ubuntu.com/26434197/
[01:25] <ZachD> correct, but basicaaly gonna have the EXACT SAME stuff, exapt the size is 4gb bigger
[01:25] <TJ-> capella: why not stick with 16.04 LTS until 18.04 is out?
[01:26] <ZachD> also, i can barely see my text
[01:26] <TJ-> capella: 17.04 is no longer supported so you won't get any security updates
[01:26] <tatertots> ZachD: hmmm okay, are you chatting from this "environment" you speak of right now? yes or no
[01:26] <ZachD> i chatting from the HOST OS
[01:27] <ZachD> waiting for the installer to finnnish on the VM
[01:27] <tatertots> ZachD: well any instructions i give you will be "realtime"
[01:27] <capella> No particular reason tj- ... hmmmm
[01:27] <ZachD> yep
[01:27] <tatertots> aka "live" or "hot"
[01:27] <capella> tj-
[01:28] <capella> heh ooops
[01:28] <ZachD> ?
[01:28] <tatertots> ZachD: let me know when you have successfully completed deploying this new "environment"
[01:28] <ZachD> k
[01:29] <TJ-> ZachD: is this using VirtualBox?
[01:29] <ZachD> TJ-, yes
[01:30] <TJ-> ZachD: ahh, was it you earlier saying you were trying to remove the VB guest extensions to fix an issue?
[01:30] <ZachD> nope
[01:30] <capella> tj- I did enjoy the opportunity to hack around / get dangerous .... first time I've backed out kernels :-) and modified grub2 files, also learned grub-repair needs legacy settings off and etc...
[01:31] <capella> And Cinnamon is a fun desktop but 17.10 hates it and insists on removing
[01:31] <TJ-> ZachD: hmmm,  there was someone earlier having issues and I thought their nickname was zack too
[01:34] <capella> Just prepping Win for dual boot is a pita in the first place .... VMware might be a decent alternative on this laptop
[01:34] <ZachD> tatertots, its loaded now
[01:35] <tatertots> ZachD: we're live/hot?
[01:35] <ZachD> yep, fully installed into the VM and logged in
[01:35] <tatertots> ZachD: i'll need to see, open terminal
[01:35] <ZachD> k
[01:36] <tatertots> ZachD: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[01:37] <ZachD> gonna go into the VM for clipboard access
[01:38] <tatertots> let me know when done
[01:39] <Zach-d> alright, in the VM, sorry if my name is jumping, it dont like me using the name this fast
[01:39] <Zach-d> those are done noe
[01:39] <tatertots> Zach-d: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[01:41] <Zach-d> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26434570/
[01:42] <tatertots> Zach-d: gave yourself about 5GB more i see Drives:    HDD Total Size: 15.0GB (44.6% used)
[01:42] <Zach-d> ? i set the drive for 14gb because the usb im gonna write this to is maxed at 14.5gb
[01:42] <tatertots> Zach-d: i understand
[01:43] <Zach-d> hmm..i guess its time to get a 32 or 64 off amazon
[01:43] <Zach-d> tatertots, which packages are the largest?
[01:44] <tatertots> Zach-d: i agree, 44.6% used after a fresh install...not sure what the "role" or use of the machine is..but it won't be doing much besides being "idle" with that amount of space. (i'm exaggerating of course, it could be a router/firewall for all i know)
[01:45] <Zach-d> im trying to use it to set up a VM inside it so i can have a Win2go Vm
[01:45] <easycream> I've installed 17.10 as a guest and was able to connect via virt-viewer, however, after changing the resolution, I now get a blank purple screen after logging in.  THe guest has been updated.  I'm not sure what is causing this error.  Anybody experience the same issue?
[01:46] <Zach-d> youtu.be/saT_8ArYF2G
[01:47] <Zach-d> that should be what im trying to do
[01:47] <tatertots> Zach-d: personally if i were you, instead of trying to trim "fat" from an already base/skinny ubuntu desktop installation, you would engineer/architect your own linux that only contains things that meet "your requirements".
[01:47] <tatertots> would be path of much less resistance
[01:47] <Zach-d> ....uh....highschool student here.
[01:49] <tatertots> Zach-d: i understand
[01:50] <Zach-d> so, the tutoriel shows that i simply set up the VM, commit VMception, and then tell the autostart programs to not do their thing
[01:51] <Zach-d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saT_8ArYF2g&feature=youtu.be
[01:51] <Zach-d> tatertots, thats what im trying to do
[01:51] <tatertots> wow are tech instructors really that bored in their careers/jobs to give students such tasks?
[01:52] <Zach-d> nah, i am doing this formyself
[01:52] <Zach-d> and the tech instructor in my school, literally tell us to SSH into FREAKING EV3 units that run a custom linux
[01:54] <Zach-d> so...
[01:55] <Zach-d> brb
[01:57] <donofrio-g5> anyone got time to help me out getting this (https://apaste.info/aB1l) compiled?
[01:57] <Zach-d> tatertots, uh..hello?
[01:59] <donofrio-g5> hw-setup - https://apaste.info/Gz7n
[02:02] <Zach-d> imma try something stupid, if i break MateBuntu, oh well
[02:03] <mostdef> Would you recommend using 18.04 for daily desktop, in its current state?
[02:04] <donofrio-g5> mostdef, what is your sources list in 18.04 I need to try an upgrade on my 17.04 install
[02:05] <mostdef> donofrio-g5: I'm still on 16.04
[02:05] <donofrio-g5> oh ok well if anyone else knows I'm all ears ;(
[02:05] <donofrio-g5> :)
[02:05] <donofrio-g5> I meant
[02:06] <mostdef> donofrio-g5: could you perhaps just backup your home, do a clean install, then restore?
[02:08] <mostdef> I never do "upgrades". Whether it's Windows, Linux, or Android. Factory reset + restore.
[02:09] <donofrio-g5> I upgraded from 16.04 to 17.04 on work desktop's (that are in wsl)
[02:09] <mostdef> is that Linux-on-Windows-10?
[02:10] <donofrio-g5> I heard 17.04 support is over so I figure I need to goto 18.04 soon
[02:10] <donofrio-g5> mostdef, my writeup is at http://tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk in the ppt file
[02:13] <mostdef> donofrio-g5: I can't expand the photos because I need a Live account. Are you running terminal only, or did you manage to get a GUI running?
[02:14] <mostdef> ah nevermind, it was just super slow (I'm in a cafe) after discarding the login window.
[02:14] <donofrio-g5> mostdef, skip past that unneededd login soory
[02:14] <ChetManly> is /etc/cron.daily still a thing in ubuntu?
[02:15] <donofrio-g5> ChetManly, man cron and you'll see it listed
[02:15] <mostdef> donofrio-g5: that looks nice. What's the UI performance like? I use Ubuntu inside a Virtualbox VM on a Windows 10 host. I'm intrigued, I suspect performance and battery life would be much better using WSL.
[02:16] <ChetManly> donofrio-g5: arent things handled like services now or something
[02:17] <donofrio-g5> mostdef, you see two desktop's running windows (yes I use windows 10 as a 15 gb bootloader) then you see desktop's running WSL inside windows 10 no vm at all
[02:17] <donofrio-g5> ChetManly, cron is cron
[02:17] <donofrio-g5> mostdef, performance is great......
[02:17] <ChetManly> so are service, daemon and cron interchangable?
[02:18] <donofrio-g5> ChetManly, no
[02:18] <mostdef> ChetManly: systemd timers you mean? Probably easier to write and manage than cron jobs. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Timers
[02:18] <donofrio-g5> mostdef, archlinux link in here - lol
[02:18] <mostdef> donofrio-g5: I just retutrned the 1st google result
[02:19] <mostdef> tbh although I've never used Arch, their wiki has been super useful to me as a Ubuntu user
[02:19] <mostdef> they go into details and great examples for many things
[02:19] <Zach_> tatertots,
[02:19] <Zach_> you still here?
[02:21] <mostdef> mostdef: what do you do if you don't mind me asking?
[02:21] <mostdef> programmer like me?
[02:27] <donofrio> mostdef, my WSL inxi output @ https://apaste.info/qkcv ;)
[02:27] <mostdef> OK, readinh your powerpoint now
[02:27] <mostdef> FYI, instead of Putty, check out MoxaXterm. WAY superior UI. Tabs, no auto-closing.
[02:28] <mostdef> it's not FOSS but it's free as in beer
[02:30] <mostdef> oh snap, I just realized I need Ubuntu 32-bit for my work
[02:30] <mostdef> still...not all of it. I could use 64-bit WSL for my web dev, and a 32-bit VBox VM for my embedded work
[02:31] <capella> ooooh, ah, mmmmmm ......   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:31] <capella> bleeding edge baby ;)
[02:34] <donofrio> mostdef, why do you *need* 32 bit?
[02:34] <ChetManly> an operating system that hasnt changed in years
[02:35] <ChetManly> https://neon.kde.org/
[02:36] <mostdef> donofrio: the tools I use are 32-bit. I got errors I couldn't get past when I first built a 64-bit VM.
[02:36] <mostdef> it's tools to develop for an ARM board
[02:37] <donofrio> ask here when you get the erors again
[02:38] <mostdef> hmm, OK, thanks
[02:39] <mostdef> ChetManly: NEON is pretty now, what do you mean hasn't changed in years? Wasn't it released in 2016?
[02:39] <ChetManly> huh
[02:40] <mostdef> ChetManly: you linked Neon saying it hasn't changed in years, or did I misunderstand
[02:40] <mostdef> *pretty new
[02:40] <ChetManly> no ubuntu
[02:41] <ChetManly> same ol
[02:42] <ChetManly> but that is probably for the best,, this channel used to scroll outta control and now it calm and that probably thanks to staying the same
[02:43] <donofrio> mostdef, still think you should just have to install 32 bit libraies you'd think and still run 64 bit?
[02:51] <john_rambo> While trying to do apt-get upgrade I am getting this >>> https://paste2.org/e7WnWytd
[02:51] <john_rambo> Using 18.04
[02:57] <mostdef_> whatever happened to application packages (snap or flatpack?). Did that stuff never catch on?
[03:13] <arktvrvs> 18.04??
[03:13] <donofrio> thats what I'm trying to upgrade to
[03:14] <donofrio> just need to know what to put in my sources.list
[03:16] <Bashing-om> donofrio: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/  .
[03:24] <WHOAMI> hello
[03:52] <ubantoo> hello, how do i see all the hardware attached to this ubuntu computer? in windows i would go to deviice manager to see everything
[03:53] <Ben64> lspci, lsusb, lshw
[03:56] <ubantoo> thanks
[03:58] <ftawolf> evening
[04:00] <ftawolf> got little problem with hp-systray.  Trying get it in panel & not having much luck, hp-toolbox will load from cli..
[04:02] <ftawolf> well i take that back it finally loaded.  sorry about that
[04:02] <almoxarife[m]> ftawolf (IRC): did you install hplip-gui?
[04:03] <ftawolf> yes
[04:03] <ftawolf> its all good now its finally loadded
[04:04] <dontlook_> hello
[04:07] <ubantoo> if i install ubuntu alongside windows boot manager (sda already has windows 10 on it), will ubuntu 17.10 generate seperate partitions for /home and / ?
[04:08] <ubantoo> or do i have to do 'something else' in the setup process to set up the partitions myself
[04:09] <tatertots> ubantoo: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[04:10] <ubantoo> tatertots: yes i am on it in the live usb
[04:10] <ubantoo> i see this: https://i.imgur.com/d7puYVr.png
[04:10] <ubantoo> and i am not sure why the security and lvm options are disabled
[04:11] <tatertots> ubantoo: you want to dual boot? yes or no
[04:11] <ubantoo> yes i want to dual boot. sorry i forgot to say taht
[04:12] <tatertots> ubantoo: then you're going to click "continue" that's all you're going to do...any other options are for the advanced user....as in someone who could do it on their own without ever coming here or looking at any forums.
[04:13] <ubantoo> ok my question is, if i click continue, and choose the first option. will the installer make seperate partitions for my /home and /
[04:13] <ubantoo> does it do that by default?
[04:14] <tatertots> ubantoo: it will not "conveniently" do anything with /home...that's a technique for the system administrator to decide to deploy
[04:15] <ubantoo> so, in the first option, it basically makes 1 partition for /home /
[04:15] <ubantoo> what about encryption of /home
[04:15] <tatertots> click "continue"
[04:16] <tatertots> and keep "proceeding"...but please do "read"
[04:18] <donofrio> Bashing-om, I'm going to Bionic now on my 17.04 wsl install ;) 701 packages upgrading
[04:19] <donofrio> 718 packages I meant
[04:22] <ubantoo> its isntalling now
[04:22] <donofrio> backed up using robocopy %localappdata%\lxss c:\backup\. now 3.9 gb backed up ;)
[04:22] <ubantoo> can i easily convert 17.10 to 18.04 when it comes out
[04:24] <Ben64> ubantoo: you can upgrade, yes
[04:25] <ubantoo> is it a risky operatoin to do that
[04:25] <Ben64> not usually
[04:25] <ubantoo> i see. well i aim installed now i am going to reboot. bye
[04:25] <donofrio> yah me so far its still trucking along "npacking ubuntu-mono (16.10+18.04.20171224.1-0ubuntu1) over (16.10+17.04.20170406-0ubuntu1)" :)
[04:36] <donofrio> EEK!!! "Errors were encountered while processing: /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-wETfEC/111-ebtables_2.0.10.4-3.5ubuntu2_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:38] <donofrio> anyone know how to resolve this?  dpkg -a?
[04:39] <donofrio> as I said this is an existing and working 17.04 install that i was told is old so I needed to get current to 18.04 so here I am trying but dang
[04:39] <Ben64> donofrio: 17.04 -> 18.04 is not supported, not sure how you're doing that
[04:40] <Ben64> 18.04 isn't even released yet
[04:41] <donofrio> just updated sources.list to bionic and dist upgraded
[04:41] <donofrio> was going so smoothly....
[04:41] <ubantoo> hi again. i have installed ubuntu. how can i get the nvidia propriatery drivers? on older ubuntu i remember using graphics-drivers ppa. is this still the case on 17.10?
[04:41] <nicomachus> donofrio: that's a great way to break your system, pal
[04:42] <donofrio> I used to do this all the time I've done 'a few' installs in my days.....lol
[04:43] <Ben64> ubantoo: they're in the ubuntu repositories, you shouldn't have to do anything if you installed with network connected, otherwise open up the software center, and go to hardware drivers or whatever it's called to get it.
[04:44] <Howie69> Wow.. never seen that before.  Most all of the zesty repos vanished recently
[04:44] <donofrio> so I should goto ubuntu-next?
[04:44] <nicomachus> !bionic | donofrio
[04:46] <ubantoo> Ben64: i see a choice for nvidia properitatyay drivers in the 'addtiontla drivers' tab on software updates program. i have chosen it and now applying it. it is takign long time
[04:54] <stan7> do you have solution for nvidia geforce drivers? i have problems with my 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 930M]
[04:56] <stan7> it brings me resolution problems
[05:02] <Bashing-om> stan7: Show in a pastebin what is presently installed for the driver ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[05:06] <azizLIGHT> Ben64: i selected the proprietary drivers from the 'addtional drivers' for nvidia and restarted but now i cannot boot up anymore. it gets stuck at loading intial ramdisk, i tried both kernel options, and their recovery mode options in grub
[05:11] <tatertots> stan7: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[05:19] <azizLIGHT> anyone have any ideas about what i should do? i just installed 17.10, changed gpu drivers from open source to propertiary, rebooted, and now it doesnt boot past loading initial ramdisk (tried all kernels listed and their recovery modes in grub to no avail)
[05:45] <gnomethrower> https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/ubuntu-logo/ <- How do we change this page?
[05:46] <gnomethrower> ah, never mind. just thought a word was spelled weird, turns out I'm wrong
[05:49] <stan7> sorry i was not on the computer
[05:49] <Quenz> Bashing-om tatertots either of you around?
[05:49] <S31Y4> hello
[05:49] <S31Y4> p
[05:50] <S31Y4> hello
[05:51] <marcosfermin> Hello guys. I just installed Ubuntu on a MacBook Pro and configured the GRUB. Has anyone done it as well? Let’s share some thoughts
[05:51] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Yes ?
[05:52] <Quenz> I still have the same issue as last time. I've only just gotten around to looking at it again.
[05:52] <Quenz> I'm not sure if we reached a complete dead end last time Bashing-om..
[05:52] <stan7> i have resolution problems, i have nvidia geforce card, do you have some solution? please, this is what i get when i lspci in console 09:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 930M] (rev a2)
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | marcosfermin
[05:53] <tatertots> Quenz: hello
[05:54] <hanetzer> hey folks. So, I'm using ubuntu 16.04 on a laptop I'm porting coreboot for, and I'd like to disable sleep/hibernate/etc, because I think its doing that right from the getgo due to me having acpi/etc not done yet, so I've booted gentoo from usb and chrooted in.
[05:54] <Quenz> I can't drop to shell this time.
[05:54] <Bashing-om> Quenz: I have a short attention span . remind what the issue is .
[05:55] <Quenz> tatertots should I install mint xfce now?
[05:55] <tatertots> Quenz: you haven't said what the "present" problem you are attempting to address is
[05:55] <Quenz> Bashing-om That's fine. I changed my driver from open source (which works, but is slow) to a proprietary one (which should be faster, but has issue)
[05:56] <Quenz> tatertots Curren issue is proprietary drivers not working properly. Booting produces flashing text
[05:57] <marcosfermin> ubottu: Actually yes. Sorry for my approach, but I have a concern with a red light coming out of the headphone jack in the MacBook. I don’t know why that happens. I verified the Mac OS and it only does it on Ubuntu
[05:57] <tatertots> Quenz: that's odd...you had the proprietary driver "previously" http://termbin.com/8yya
[05:58] <tatertots> Quenz: i wonder if that might suggest something else is root cause.
[05:59] <Bashing-om> Quenz: pastebin us a new ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' . see if we got any hints .
[06:00] <tatertots> marcosfermin: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[06:01] <Quenz> tatertots I haven't changed the driver since last time
[06:01] <marcosfermin> tatertots: no
[06:01] <Quenz> I'm gonna have to go with recovery mode or whatever it's called because it's too hard to drop to shell with this flashing screen, keep resetting
[06:02] <tatertots> marcosfermin: do you have physical access to the computer?
[06:02] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Whatever, I still want to start at this log file .
[06:02] <marcosfermin> Yes, I do
[06:02] <marcosfermin> tatertots: yes
[06:02] <tatertots> marcosfermin: is it connected to the internet? yes or no
[06:03] <marcosfermin> Yes
[06:03] <tatertots> marcosfermin: allow me to rephrase a previous question for clarity.
[06:03] <tatertots> marcosfermin: do you have physical access to the computer right now ?
[06:04] <marcosfermin> tatertots: yes
[06:04] <tatertots> marcosfermin: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit sosreport
[06:05] <tatertots> marcosfermin: let me know when done
[06:05] <Quenz> Now I'm stuck at a frozen screen. I tried to turn it off with the "halt" command, but it didn't work. Any way to turn it off from here without using the power button?
[06:05] <tatertots> marcosfermin: or wait on someone else to help you
[06:05] <marcosfermin> tatertots:
[06:06] <tatertots> marcosfermin: you have to open terminal first
[06:06] <tatertots> marcosfermin: ctrl+alt+t
[06:06] <marcosfermin> tatertots: wait a sec. I’m reaching the laptop
[06:07] <marcosfermin> tatertots: all installed
[06:08] <marcosfermin> tatertots: what should I do next?
[06:11] <tatertots> marcoscosmos: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[06:12] <marcosfermin> Ok
[06:12] <tatertots> marcoscosmos: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[06:12] <Neo4> after I got this error after I had tried to install git using this command
[06:12] <Neo4> sudo apt-get install git-all
[06:12] <Neo4> http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1516601410.png
[06:12] <Neo4> not don't work anything
[06:12] <Neo4> I tried do ' sudo apt-get install -f ' and error
[06:12] <Neo4> sudo apt-get upgrade  also error
[06:13] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | Quenz
[06:13] <Quenz> Bashing-om Yes, I think you may have suggested this last time, but I don't have a printscreen key
[06:14] <marcosfermin> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26435572/
[06:14] <Neo4> package ruint is not configure yet
[06:14] <Bashing-om> Quenz: try crl+alt+del .
[06:15] <Quenz> Bashing-om Tried, did not work
[06:15] <tatertots> marcosfermin: infrared, toggled without your human intervention in OS X, enabled by default so as it's ready for use in Linux. Nothing to be concerned about...don't believe me?...want me to prove it to you in front of your face?
[06:16] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Activate another TTY ? ctl+alt+F4 /
[06:16] <tatertots> marcosfermin: trust me
[06:16] <Quenz> Bashing-om Doesn't seem to do anything either
[06:16] <marcosfermin> tatertots: no need to prove anything bro lol
[06:17] <marcosfermin> tatertots: Thank you very much
[06:17] <Neo4> this helped https://askubuntu.com/questions/765565/how-to-fix-processing-with-runit-and-git-daemon-run
[06:17] <tatertots> marcosfermin: no problem
[06:18] <marcosfermin> tatertots: do you have a post where it
[06:18] <marcosfermin> Where it explains how to use the packages I installed to generate the report?
[06:18] <tatertots> marcosfermin: a post? lol no..a post is "debatable"....i don't want to debate with you
[06:18] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Not looking good for the home team . I have no othr suggestions . Best be running a file system check from a liveUSB .. Got it on hand ?
[06:20] <marcosfermin> tatertots: no. What I want is a tutorial on how to use inxi, pastebinit and sosreport
[06:20] <tatertots> marcosfermin: oh....yeah they all have built in documentation
[06:20] <segersjerry> marcosfermin, try the command "man <program name>" it'll tell you how to work those programs.
[06:20] <marcosfermin> Cool
[06:20] <tatertots> marcosfermin: man inxi
[06:21] <Quenz> Bashing-om Not Ubuntu, but yes
[06:22] <Bashing-om> Quenz: same kernel version as the install ?
[06:23] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Naw .. if it is not ububntu .. let's not chance it .. to much is different in the file systems .
[06:24] <Quenz> Bashing-om I will need to use the power button at this point though, right?
[06:24] <Quenz> I have some USB drives handy, one of them may have ubuntu, I'm not sure
[06:25] <nwe> can I force pxelinux to load pxelinux.cfg/default first instead of it trying to load mac-address prefix..?
[06:25] <Bashing-om> Quenz: I have no other suggestion than the [pwer bitton . and as messed up as the system is .. we need to run that file system check/repair .
[06:26] <Quenz> I'll check these USB drives now
[06:28] <williamlin_> Will the gnome in ubuntu 18.04 have the global menu.
[06:28] <williamlin_> Will the gnome in ubuntu 18.04 have the global menu?
[06:28] <Quenz> Bashing-om I have current Ubuntu Gnome LTS live boot disk, booting now
[06:28] <Bashing-om> !18.04 | williamlin_
[06:29] <irated> is there any way to manually upgrade ubuntu 16.10 to ubuntu  17.04 then 17.10?
[06:29] <irated> it looks like going directly to 17.10 is not supported
[06:29] <Quenz> Bashing-om 'cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log' in terminal?
[06:30] <Bashing-om> !eol | irated
[06:31] <irated> Bashing-om: I know :)
[06:31] <irated> thus the need for upgrading.
[06:32] <irated> Doh  the response just came through..
[06:32] <irated> Thanks lag
[06:32] <Quenz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26435633
[06:32] <Quenz> Bashing-om
[06:32] <Quenz> &
[06:32] <Quenz> ^
[06:32] <marcosfermin> Question: can we continue using an Ubuntu version after End-Of-Life? You know, like using newer repos and stuff
[06:32] <Bashing-om> irated: Doablem the link jas the onstruction as 17.04 is EOL .
[06:33] <irated> should I go directly to 17.10?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | marcosfermin
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> marcosfermin: we reccomend to upgrade ubuntu 'before' its going eol
[06:36] <marcosfermin> lotuspsychje: yes, but I was asking in the case of having a *.04 that is already EOL
[06:36] <Bashing-om> Quenz: I see nothing alarming at this point . file system check ?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> !usn | marcosfermin why its not good to keep using eol
[06:38] <_kmh_> hi
[06:39] <_kmh_> i was wondering is there any  (default) software in a kubuntu 16.04 installation that send larger amounts of data (as crash reports or for other reasons)?
[06:40] <_kmh_> other than apport actually
[06:45] <Bashing-om> QualityAddict: pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' for assistance to run that check .
[06:51] <aiena> I was experimenting with phpvirtualbox. Because I want to setup a bunch of vm's for testing and start them from a web interface. The installation works. But when I start the vboxweb.service with systemctl it launches the vboxwebservice with the user as root. But virtualbox config is set to have another user start the process. As a result the authentication with the vboxweb daemon works but the other users vms dont show. How to fix this?
[06:54] <tatertots> aiena: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[06:58] <gartral> hello all, I have a slight issue, I missed the upgrade window on 17.04 and not I can't can't install update-manager-core on my host too initiate the upgrade, what an I do to get around this that doesn't require a complete reinstall?
[06:59] <gartral> oops
[07:04] <Bashing-om> !eol | gartral
[07:04] <TheMess> whats up
[07:06] <user_death> WHAT up boys and girls
[07:08] <marcosfermin> user_death: What's up?
[07:11] <TheMess> Any of u into Pentesting or Exploit Researching ?
[07:15] <marcosfermin> TheMess: What are you looking for in particular?
[07:16] <TheMess> I just wanna know peoples skill sets and what they can do and really can't do because if we all worked together it would basically just be a over powered team basically
[07:16] <tatertots> TheMess: are you having an Ubuntu issue technical in nature? yes or no
[07:16] <TheMess> No I run BlackArch and Kali Linux
[07:16] <tatertots> TheMess: looks more like opinion fishing
[07:18] <tatertots> TheMess: wow...yet you're here needing help with something simple yet beyond your skillset
[07:18] <tatertots> TheMess: #linux is real active "opinion" wise...but then again there is no shortage of opinions anywhere online
[07:19] <TheMess> Well I already had Ubuntu and I really didn't like it lol
[07:20] <marcosfermin> TheMess: The distribution does not matter, as long as you learn how to tweak it and make it yours
[07:20] <TheMess> I am more into finding vulnerability's and programming and making viruses and etc. and finding bugs
[07:25] <Quenz> Sorry I disconnected before. Did Bashing-Om say anything before I did? What were you going to suggest I do with this computer tatertots with mint xfce?
[07:26] <tatertots> Quenz: all my advise is "realtime" aka live/hot...it has an expiration date
[07:26] <tatertots> if you failed to execute when after our little consultation "session"....i cannot be held liable or responsible for that failure to execute
[07:32] <Haris> hello al
[07:32] <Haris> all
[07:33] <tatertots> Quenz: I went as far as to write "do you understand?" and you responded YES
[07:33] <Haris> is there a way to find out current available or number of updates for 14.04 that's not installed yet ? plus if they can be easily installed or if there's unsatisfied deps ?
[07:36] <d0b3rm4nn> good morning
[07:47] <Quenz> I'm not trying to hold you liable to anything tatertots, I'm just trying to get help to fix my issue. Doesn't have to be from you, open to suggestions from anyone really.
[07:48] <Quenz> I don't exactly remember that last part though
[07:52] <tatertots> Quenz: are you chatting from the effected computer right now? yes or no
[07:52] <Quenz> tatertots no
[07:52] <tatertots> Quenz: do you have physical access to the effected computer right now? yes or no
[07:52] <Quenz> tatertots yes
[07:53] <tatertots> Quenz: does the effected computer have an active internet connection? yes or no
[07:53] <Quenz> tatertots yes
[07:53] <tatertots> Quenz: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[07:54] <Quenz> Will do so in recovery mode (or whatever it's called)
[07:54] <Quenz> tatertots Actually, is it okay to do it from a live boot?
[07:54] <tatertots> Quenz: no
[07:54] <Quenz> okie dokie
[07:54] <vlt> Hello. How can I create a clickable icon on the desktop that will run /my/shell_script.sh on Ubuntu 16.04 MATE?
[07:55] <Quenz> tatertots recovery mode is fine though, right?
[07:56] <tatertots> Quenz: anything is fine...except not answering my questions %100 honestly and accurately, fail at that....you will fail ultimately
[07:57] <Quenz> tatertots I'm not trying to be difficult. I apologize if I am.
[07:58] <tatertots> Quenz: i don't believe humans are every "trying" to be difficult my friend :) Its just that i can only process certain logic
[08:01] <Quenz> tatertots I do try to be as honest as I can. Anyway, I thought I had an internet connection, but I'm getting  a "Failed to contact the server ..." error with that command
[08:01] <tatertots> Quenz: no worries
[08:03] <tatertots> Quenz: you'll either have to attempt disaster recovery or reinstall linux..and before any user I consult with considers disaster recovery I always ask them to ask themselves a question first.
[08:04] <tatertots> Quenz: Do you have disaster recovery experience?, how successful have you been in the past at disaster recovery?.
[08:04] <tatertots> Quenz: those are important questions to answer in order to have "realistic" expectations
[08:04] <Quenz> tatertots I'm not sure what exactly is meant by "disaster recovery", so probably not. I wouldn't mind reinstalling Ubuntu, it doesn't take very long.
[08:10] <tatertots> Quenz: is this the effected computer http://termbin.com/8yya ? yes or no
[08:13] <Quenz> tatertots yes
[08:15] <tatertots> Quenz: are you installing the exact same version and edition of Ubuntu shown here http://termbin.com/8yya? yes or no
[08:17] <Quenz> tatertots I haven't changed anything, so it should be, but I can double check if you like.
[08:18] <tatertots> Quenz: ok this is where we left off in previous sessions of my advice, my programming will not allow me to repeat the same things while expecting different result(s). My maker embedded this into my programing intentionally.
[08:19] <Quenz> :D
[08:19] <tatertots> Quenz: i can only help you up unto the point at which you decide to repeat past historical failures while clinging to some hope of success
[08:20] <tatertots> at that point the session will conclude
[08:20] <Quenz> I don't follow 100%, but it sounds like you don't want to help me, which is fine.
[08:20] <Quenz> Anyone else?
[08:21] <tatertots> Quenz: you are in the process of reinstalling? true or false
[08:22] <Quenz> tatertots False. Would you like me to try that?
[08:23] <tatertots> Quenz: yes
[08:30] <Quenz> In the process now
[08:37] <da7niel> I want to search for keywords inside a manual entry, how do I do this?
[08:39] <bunnypuncher> man thepageyouwnat | grep keyword
[08:41] <bunnypuncher> or if you just run man program.  Then you will be able you do /keyword.  and that would do a search
[08:41] <da7niel> ty man
[08:41] <house_> question, I think I just witnessed something amazing I have an soc mini itx duelcore atom mb that has been abused for years. this year its acting as a HTPC anyways I was copying a file and watching a movie, suddenly pc froze with pc speaker on. Right before this happened being as I was paying close attention in this movie I cought what looked like a few frames of the colliding files as the SOC melted down.
[08:42] <tatertots> Quenz: hopefully this time around you can avoid any of this stuff maybe http://termbin.com/wrnz
[08:42] <Quenz> Hopefully
[08:43] <house_> possible on ubuntu 16 i386
[08:43] <house_> ??
[08:44] <tatertots> please share what you have with me
[08:44] <EriC^^> da7niel: man <something> then type "/<keyword>"
[08:44] <EriC^^> 'n' goes to the next entry N to previous
[08:48] <Quenz> I wasn't paying attention to the installer, that's why it's taking long
[08:51] <aiena> house_, hmm I am n ot sure if ubuntu caused it
[08:52] <aiena> maybe it was the chips time
[08:52] <aiena> Which kernel were you using?
[08:55] <goyal_> hey
[08:56] <goyal_> why
[08:59] <goyal_> csa
[08:59] <goyal_> das
[09:01] <Quenz> tatertots Installation done and booted. Everything seems to be fine. Should I try switching the drivers over again?
[09:01] <goyal> kya haal
[09:05] <mezod> hello, someone using ubuntu 17 and firefox 57 who could give me 5 minutes of their time? :P
[09:06] <Quenz_> Apologies for disconnect.
[09:18] <tatertots> Quenz: sure
[09:18] <lonecode16> hey
[09:18] <lonecode16> hallo
[09:19] <lonecode16> hi
[09:19] <tatertots> mezod: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[09:19] <lonecode16> anyone here??
[09:19] <mezod> tatertots: yes (?)
[09:20] <tatertots> mezod: open terminal
[09:20] <bazhang> lonecode16, here is ubuntu support, for chats try #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:20] <tatertots> mezod: or what for someone else to help you. :)
[09:20] <tatertots> mezod: wait
[09:20] <Quenz> I was going to choose nvidia-340 which is labeled "proprietary, tested", but there's also nvidia-304. Is nvidia-340 fine tatertots?
[09:22] <mezod> tatertots: I'm not sure if you are asking me to just install ubuntu :P I just wanted to ask someone with ubuntu 17/ff 57 to check if they see a css bug in a site, or it's just a user who might have zoomed in/out from the browser mistakenly
[09:23] <tatertots> Quenz: according to http://termbin.com/8yya i can say for a fact that previously you had used NVIDIA 304.xx
[09:23] <Quenz> tatertots I previously used both. Each had different issues. 304 is legacy, so I'm gonna assume 340.
[09:24] <tatertots> Quenz: select the driver you prefer
[09:30] <tatertots> Quenz: also hope you can avoid any crashes like these http://termbin.com/yidn this time around
[09:32] <Quenz> tatertots I got a "System program problem detected" after applying the driver in Additional Drivers, is there any log you would like to read because of this?
[09:34] <tatertots> Quenz: yes, but i would like you to accumulate more symptom(s) data first if possible
[09:34] <tatertots> Quenz: just keep playing around with it
[09:35] <tatertots> Quenz: you've just completed a "fresh" install? true or false
[09:37] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know how to put the clementine indicator on the top panel?
[09:38] <Quenz> tatertots true. Like I said, a "System program problem detected" came up when applying changes to Additional Drivers after changing to nvidia-340. Would you like me to type something in terminal to see what this problem detected was?
[09:39] <thelinuxbox> hi, i was wondering, when the ubuntu iso is first run the screen looks like this, https://i.stack.imgur.com/GtEi5.png, but if the end user presses the enter button the menu is displayed https://i.stack.imgur.com/FfEwE.png, where abouts in the iso is this controlled please?
[09:39] <tatertots> Quenz: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[09:40] <oerheks> thelinuxbox, the 'installer' on the live iso is called ubiquity
[09:40] <oerheks> !info ubiquity
[09:42] <goyal> n
[09:42] <thelinuxbox> oerheks, where can i find what cfg files are controlled by it please?
[09:44] <oerheks> thelinuxbox, what do you mean with config files?? if you want to run an unattended setup, there is preseed
[09:44] <stvn> do i download the iso to make a usb stick?
[09:44] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[09:45] <thelinuxbox> oerheks, i would like the menu to auto show without having to press enter to show it
[09:45] <oerheks> theoh that i don't know, that menu can be activated with F6 iirc
[09:46] <thelinuxbox> ok thanks
[09:47] <oerheks> stvn, yes, the iso is a hybrid image for dvd/usb
[09:48] <stvn> ok
[09:48] <oerheks> !usb
[09:48] <stvn> ty
[09:49] <mjayk> Haya all I install Hiri via snap install, can launch from terminal but it has not added itself to the unity launcher (doesnt come up in search) 16.04
[09:49] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know how to fix the idicator isons on ubuntu 17.10?
[09:49] <mezod> could anyone with ubuntu 17 + ff 57 check a site for me just to see if certain styles are broken? pretty please :D
[09:50] <samuyi> ubuntu boots to a black screen and retstarts on my pc. what can i do to fix this
[09:51] <Quenz> tatertots done
[09:52] <EriC^> samuyi: try removing 'quiet splash' from grub and see if anything shows up
[10:05] <mjayk> Haya all I install Hiri via snap install, can launch from terminal but it has not added itself to the unity launcher (doesnt come up in search) 16.04
[10:07] <kostkon> mjayk, did you logout?
[10:07] <goyal> he
[10:08] <kostkon> goyal, hi
[10:08] <goyal> whats up?
[10:15] <tatertots> Quenz: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[10:15] <luciano> ciaoa
[10:15] <mjayk> kostkon: no should I have to logout and in after installing snaps ?
[10:17] <kostkon> mjayk, generally, no. Sometimes the desktop entry does not get added right away for one reason or another.
[10:20] <Quenz> tatertots apologies, but I have to start getting ready to bed
[10:20] <Quenz> Thanks very much for all your help so far, again.
[10:20] <tatertots> Quenz: no problem..take care
[10:21] <Quenz> I was helping my dad at the same time, so I didn't realize you sent me something else. Apologies again.
[10:21] <Quenz> Take care
[10:31] <DarsVaeda> how can I ensure a port is open to public? I checkt with netstat and the port is listed but from a foreign machine I get connection refused
[10:34] <oerheks> DarsVaeda, check the router/modem, if that port is forwarded, or check online https://portchecker.co/
[10:34] <DarsVaeda> it's a local setup
[10:35] <DarsVaeda> host is a mac and I try to communicate between two ubuntu virtual machines
[10:35] <DarsVaeda> neither the host nor one of the virtual machines can communicate with each other
[10:35] <DarsVaeda> but I'm not really sure the port is actually open to the public
[10:36] <DarsVaeda> I can access port 22 without problems
[10:36] <aiena> DarsVaeda, it is most like ufw
[10:37] <DarsVaeda> ufw=
[10:37] <DarsVaeda> ufw?
[10:37] <aiena> DarsVaeda, what is the output of "sudo ufw status" on the vms?
[10:37] <aiena> does it say "active" ?
[10:37] <DarsVaeda> inactive
[10:38] <aiena> inactive on both
[10:38] <aiena> What network mode is the vm using?
[10:38] <DarsVaeda> yes both vm inactive
[10:39] <aiena> Is it a host only network
[10:39] <aiena> or are the vm's in bridged mode?
[10:39] <aiena> what virtualisation technology are you using?
[10:40] <aiena> Can you ping one vm from the other?
[10:40] <DarsVaeda> virtualbox, I'm trying to check the config what mode is used
[10:40] <DarsVaeda> I can ping and access other ports like 22
[10:40] <aiena> DarsVaeda, ok for virtualbox go to the vm's settings. Choose "Network"
[10:41] <aiena> there there is an "Attached to" drop down it will be greyed out for a running vm. WHat is written in it?
[10:41] <DarsVaeda> thinking, or maybe just 22 I never checked other ports...
[10:42] <DarsVaeda> ah it's host only
[10:42] <aiena> No wonder
[10:42] <aiena> make both "bridged"
[10:42] <aiena> so that they are on your LAN network/subnet instead og host only
[10:42] <aiena> you need to shutdown both vm's first
[10:42] <DarsVaeda> ah okay, thanks for clearing that up
[10:42] <tatertots> DarsVaeda: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[10:43] <tatertots> DarsVaeda: nvm
[10:45] <aiena> DarsVaeda, if you still have issues after that let me know.
[10:45] <DarsVaeda> thanks :)
[10:46] <aiena> if both the vm's are host only
[10:46] <aiena> then they most likely wont be able to reach each other on any port to start with
[10:47] <DarsVaeda> except 22 it seems
[10:47] <aiena> 22 is a low port
[10:47] <aiena> what are you running?
[10:47] <DarsVaeda> also forwarded
[10:47] <DarsVaeda> vagrant configured through puphpet
[10:47] <tatertots> DarsVaeda: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[10:47] <DarsVaeda> need to check how to change config to bridged
[10:48] <DarsVaeda> tatertots: why do you ask?
[10:48] <aiena> DarsVaeda, that is tatertots long methodology of helping :)
[10:48] <aiena> it is less error porne but more tedious
[10:48] <aiena> *prone
[10:49] <DarsVaeda> a like a help bot kinda thing :)
[10:49] <aiena> :D
[10:49]  * DarsVaeda pressed 2
[10:51] <tatertots> 2 is an invalid number, only 1 and 0 exist
[10:52] <aiena> tatertots, true but you asked "yes" or "no" not "true" or "false" or "0" or "one"
[10:54] <guest-8khhsy> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[10:54] <aiena> guest-8khhsy, have an ubuntu question?
[10:57] <mrrobot_> test1234
[11:02] <Jjcnfjfjfjfjfn> Help kepler planet   cam   msg ...if online
[11:04] <oerheks> Jjcnfjfjfjfjfn, ??
[11:04] <aiena> oerheks, just ignore the trolls
[11:05] <aiena> If there is a real ubuntu question let them ask it
[11:06] <oerheks> that is why i put a double ??
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:20] <cfhowlett> greetings BluesKaj
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hi cfhowlett
[11:43] <dingir_> hi
[11:43] <dingir_> how do i see what desktop session im on already.. if xorg or wayland
[11:43] <dingir_> echo $something
[11:44] <Exterminador> by default it's Wayland, unless you choose Xorg in the login screen
[11:44] <dingir_> i dont have the settings icon when i login..
[11:45] <Exterminador> and afaik it's the purple background
[11:45] <dingir_> yes purple background..
[11:45] <dingir_> cause i try to set autologin to enable but it doesnt auto login
[11:45] <dingir_> not sure whats going on
[11:46] <dingir_>  /etc/gdm3/custom.conf  is AutomaticLoginEnabled=true
[11:46] <dingir_> *Enable
[11:46] <Exterminador> that's something that the experts can tell.
[11:46] <tatertots> dingir_: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[11:46] <cuddlesquid> is anyone familiar with tmux? im trying to launch a script with tmux from command line, like "tmux script.sh"
[11:47] <oerheks> dingir_, type 'env' or  env | grep XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[11:47] <dingir_> yes
[11:48] <tatertots> dingir_: open terminal
[11:48] <dingir_> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=ubuntu:GNOME
[11:48] <dingir_> am i on wayland?
[11:48] <tatertots> dingir_: open terminal
[11:48] <cuddlesquid> oops must dc, but i think ive figured that part out :) tx guys!
[11:48] <pawiecki> Hi, how can I make application run at startup on ubuntu server 16.04?
[11:48] <dingir_> go ahead
[11:49] <tatertots> dingir_: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[11:49] <tatertots> dingir_: let me know when done.
[11:49] <dingir_> hrm what you want me to paste?
[11:49] <tatertots> dingir_: or wait for someone else to help you
[11:49] <dingir_> i just go to pastebin no problem
[11:49] <tatertots> dingir_: i'm telling you "verbatim" almost what to do
[11:50] <tatertots> dingir_: let me know when done.
[11:51] <dingir_> done
[11:51] <tatertots> dingir_: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[11:51] <tatertots> dingir_: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[11:52] <dingir_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26436799/
[11:52] <tatertots> dingir_: NO you are NOT on wayland
[11:52] <tatertots> dingir_:            Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 )
[11:53] <tatertots> dingir_: any other questions?
[11:53] <dingir_> yes, why am i not on wayland
[11:53] <dingir_> why wont autologin work
[11:53] <tatertots> dingir_: because you are using            Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 )
[11:54] <dingir_> i mean, why dont i have the choice
[11:54] <EriC^^> pawiecki: startup applications
[11:54] <tatertots> dingir_: would you like a more detailed analysis?
[11:54] <EriC^^> pawiecki: go to the dash and type 'startup'
[11:54] <pawiecki> EriC^^: "ubuntu server 16.04"
[11:54] <tatertots> dingir_: would you like a more detailed analysis? yes or no
[11:54] <dingir_> when im on the purple login screen, i cannot click a cogwheel to choose for ubuntu-xorg or ubuntu
[11:54] <dingir_> yes please, im looking for help
[11:55] <tatertots> dingir_: open terminal again
[11:55] <azizLIGHT> i just installed 17.10, booted into it, changed gpu drivers from open source to propertiary in the software/updates program (additional drivers tab), rebooted, and now it doesnt boot past loading initial ramdisk after grub (tried all kernels listed and their recovery modes in grub to no avail)
[11:55] <tatertots> dingir_: journalctl -p 4|pastebinit
[11:56] <tatertots> dingir_: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[11:56] <EriC^^> pawiecki: ~/.config/autostart make a .desktop file
[11:56] <dingir_> k
[11:57] <EriC^^> pawiecki: hold that thought, add it to crontab of the user you want it to run as
[11:57] <dingir_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26436822/
[11:57] <EriC^^> @reboot /path/to/application   it'll start when the pc boots up even if the user doesn't log in
[11:57] <dingir_> a quick google search returns someone saying wayland not supported by nvidia
[11:58] <tatertots> dingir_: there is something in the link i should bring to your attention.
[11:58] <tatertots> dingir_: but not now
[11:59] <tatertots> dingir_: journalctl -p 3|pastebinit
[11:59] <tatertots> dingir_: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[11:59] <dingir_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26436828/
[12:00] <dingir_> hrm
[12:01] <tatertots> dingir_: would you mind if i asked you a few simple yes or no questions?
[12:02] <rgrundstrom> Hello everyone
[12:03] <nms_> hi to all
[12:03] <tatertots> is "hrm" an acronym for something?
[12:03] <dingir_> tatertots, ok brb
[12:03] <dingir_> 2 min
[12:04] <nms_> Yup when youre dissatisfied
[12:04] <nms_> Or hr management
[12:05] <tatertots> acronym = an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word (e.g., ASCII, NASA ).
[12:06] <nms_> I know what an acronym is
[12:06] <nms_> :)
[12:08] <dingir_> tatertots, back
[12:09] <dingir_> please go ahead
[12:10] <tatertots> dingir_: it was on or near Jan 22 06:40:45 when you observed symptom(s) with your computer? true or false
[12:11] <SimonNL_Afk> yes or no you said !
[12:11] <tatertots> lol
[12:11] <dingir_> lol
[12:11] <dingir_> yes, this morning of course
[12:11] <tatertots> dingir_: open terminal
[12:11] <SimonNL> hrm would that be true or false ?
[12:12]  * SimonNL shuts up now
[12:12] <deem> is tatertots some sort of selflearning bot like cleverbot? oO
[12:14] <tatertots> dingir_: pastebinit var/log/apport.log
[12:14] <tatertots> dingir_: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link....say so
[12:15] <dingir_> Unable to read from: var/log/apport.log
[12:15] <tatertots> dingir_: standby
[12:15] <tatertots> dingir_: ls -lh /var/log|pastebinit
[12:15] <tatertots> dingir_: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link....say so
[12:17] <jtfidje> Hey. I'm having some trouble with two external monitors connected to my laptop through a thunderbolt --> DisplayPort splitter (1:2). When I lock my screen, all monitors (including my laptop) go black, but then my laptop screen flikkers on (and you can see the open programs on my desktop) before both the external screens turn on again and I only see the password prompt. Then all screens go black, wait a few seconds and repeat. Whaaaat?
[12:18] <dingir_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26436923/
[12:19] <tatertots> dingir_: cat var/log/apport.log
[12:19] <tatertots> dingir_: results?
[12:20] <R1cochet> Hello, is it possible to install a livecd to a flash drive and then add other packages to it and still have them installed on the next boot?
[12:21] <cfhowlett> !persistence
[12:21] <R1cochet> Thank you cfhowlett
[12:21] <tatertots> dingir_: are you okay?
[12:21] <cfhowlett> also see installing to USB R1cochet --- NOT the same as a live boot USB
[12:22]  * tatertots checks dingir_'s pulse
[12:22]  * tatertots looks for smelling salts
[12:22] <aman_> abc
[12:22] <aman_> sdsvdvdc
[12:23] <aman_> dcdccfdvdcdc
[12:23] <aman_> ddcddc
[12:23] <cfhowlett> aman_, this is ubuntu support.  ask your question
[12:23] <R1cochet> If i install to usb will it still be as portable? Meaning i can jump from one pc to another just the same?
[12:23] <oerheks> R1cochet, sure
[12:23] <oerheks> * with live persistence
[12:24] <R1cochet> Well hot damn. Even if one is amd and other is intel cpu
[12:24] <oerheks> you won't actually install packages, unless they are functional unzipped or something like that
[12:24] <R1cochet> Oh with live persitence.
[12:26] <dingir_> a;sldf
[12:27] <tatertots> ?
[12:27] <dingir_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26436950/
[12:27]  * tatertots uses smelling salts on dingir_ 
[12:28] <tatertots> dingir_: there has been a problem
[12:29] <tatertots> dingir_: you probably already knew that though
[12:29] <dingir_> i think its because nvidia driver not supporting wayland, i see on forum
[12:29] <dingir_> im stuck to xorg thats fine with me, but i want autologin
[12:29] <tatertots> dingir_: have you attempted to configure autologin? yes or no
[12:30] <dingir_> ...yes
[12:30] <dingir_> my problem is autologin switch going back to off after reboot
[12:30] <R1cochet> Thank you
[12:30] <tatertots> dingir_: would you mind if i look to find out why?
[12:32] <john_rambo> The audio equalizer in Smplayer is grayed out ...How to enable it ?
[12:33] <azizLIGHT> help? i just installed 17.10, booted into it, changed gpu drivers from open source to propertiary in the software/updates program (additional drivers tab), rebooted, and now it doesnt boot past loading initial ramdisk after grub (tried all kernels listed and their recovery modes in grub to no avail)
[12:35] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: nvidia?
[12:36] <dingir_> got it
[12:36] <tatertots> dingir_: good deal :)
[12:36] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: anyway, remove "splash" from the kernel command line in grub menu to get through, then edit /etc/default/grub   and remove splash from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, run `update-grub`
[12:37] <azizLIGHT> blackflow: yes, nvidia
[12:37] <jtfidje> Hey sorry - I'm gonna try just once more :-) ( Ubuntu 17.10) I'm having some trouble with two external monitors connected to my laptop through a thunderbolt --> DisplayPort splitter (1:2). When I lock my screen, all monitors (including my laptop) go black, but then my laptop screen flikkers on (and you can see the open programs on my desktop) before both the external screens turn on again and I only see the password prompt. Then all screens go black,
[12:37] <jtfidje> wait a few seconds and repeat. What can be causing this and how can I prevent the other people in the office to get seizures when I go afk?
[12:37] <azizLIGHT> blackflow: i already removed quiet and splash. i had also tried adding nomodeset. and like i said. it hangs at loading inital ramdisk
[12:37] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: then I don't know, sorry.
[12:38] <azizLIGHT> it still responds to ctrl-alt-del and reboots if i hold it
[12:38] <azizLIGHT> wonder what that means
[12:38] <azizLIGHT> not completely hung i guess?
[12:39] <oerheks> azizLIGHT, that resticted drivers, nvidia and you run a wayland session?
[12:39] <tatertots> jtfidje: a screen saver is configured for use? true or false
[12:39] <jtfidje> false
[12:39] <dingir> i had to uncomment
[12:40] <azizLIGHT> oerheks: i use whatever is default in 17.10 desktop. im not sure if thats wayland. and yes i used the restricted nvidia proprietary drivers in the addtional drivers tab in the software/updates program. i believe hte version was 384 something
[12:40] <dingir> WaylandEnable=false
[12:40] <tatertots> jtfidje: the symptom occurs even if you only have 1of2 external monitors in use? true or false
[12:40] <jtfidje> do not know. Testing right away.
[12:40] <oerheks> azizLIGHT, then logout, change wayland to xorg and try again: nvidia does not work ( yet) with wayland
[12:41] <oerheks> see the releasenotes
[12:41] <blackflow> oerheks: the computer doesn't even boot past loading initramfs, it has nothing to do with gnome session, that's not even reached yet
[12:41] <azizLIGHT> oerheks: i cannot boot at all to be able to do that. i get stuck at loading initial ramdisk after grub
[12:41] <azizLIGHT> oerheks: how does one change to xorg from wayland?
[12:41] <azizLIGHT> i think i will try a reinstall
[12:42] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: just to confirm, you DON'T have "quiet" on the kernel command line, and you do NOT see kernel output happening?
[12:43] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: did you update the system before enabling nvidia?
[12:43] <azizLIGHT> blackflow: i removed quiet and splash from kern command line in grub using 'e' and removing them from the command line and hit f10 to boot. then i see kernel output of like 2 lines, where the last line is loading intial ramdisk. and it is stuck at that point. and hten i rebooted and i tried it for other kernels listed in grub and the recovery mode ones too
[12:43] <jtfidje> tatertots: False! Removing one monitor from the splitter also removed the issue
[12:43] <tatertots> jtfidje: open terminal
[12:43] <ylwghst> If I create a script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom hwen it will be executed?
[12:43] <azizLIGHT> blackflow: i had installed and checked 'download whatever you need' so technically yes. but i did not directly do apt-get upgrade
[12:44] <jtfidje> Done
[12:44] <tatertots> jtfidje: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[12:44] <tatertots> jtfidje: let me know when done
[12:44] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: no. it doesn't update, ,despite that checkbox. you have to do it manually.
[12:44] <azizLIGHT> ah ok i didnt realize
[12:44] <azizLIGHT> should i just reinstall
[12:44] <jtfidje> done :-)
[12:44] <tatertots> jtfidje: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[12:44] <tatertots> jtfidje: share url/link here
[12:45] <blackflow> I don't know, but if this is a fresh installation, then if I were you, yes, I'd do that. and then firs step after installation would be to update the system and reboot, since there are kernel updates. only then, on updated kernel, woudl I install nvidia driver.
[12:45] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: it compiles it against current kernel headers, so that's why.
[12:45] <blackflow> (it's DKMS)
[12:45] <jtfidje> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437040/
[12:45] <azizLIGHT> blackflow: what about switching to xorg from wayland like how oerheks said. how does one do that?
[12:46] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: you don't have to. it's xorg. wayland won't even be available because nvidia doesn't support it.
[12:46] <blackflow> (available in session selector, I mean)
[12:46] <tatertots> jtfidje: if you're happy so am i, however i must say...i don't like what i'm seeing
[12:47] <jtfidje> tatertots: Hah please give it to me real
[12:47] <azizLIGHT> 17.10 ships with wayland? and i dont have to switch to xorg myself because i switched to nvidia proprietary gpu drivers? am i understanding you right
[12:47] <azizLIGHT> blackflow: ^^
[12:47] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: correct. wayland session will not be available on login screen, when you reboot with nvidia proprietary driver.
[12:48] <tatertots> jtfidje: in terminal>   id|pastebinit
[12:48] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: you can confirm that by clicking the cog and seeing there's only "Ubuntu xorg" or what's it called, there.
[12:48] <blackflow> (on the login screen, the cog is below the password input field)
[12:48] <azizLIGHT> ok got it. let me try to reinstall and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, reboot, and then try the nvidia proprietary drivers
[12:48] <azizLIGHT> i see
[12:48] <blackflow> azizLIGHT: I'm sure of all this because I installed a couple of 17.10 instances in the past week.
[12:49] <jtfidje> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437040/
[12:49] <azizLIGHT> ah ok nice :)
[12:49] <tatertots> jtfidje: in terminal>   id|pastebinit
[12:49] <tatertots> jtfidje: share url/link here
[12:50] <jtfidje> tatertots: Oh sorry wrong link. Here:http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437068/
[12:51] <tatertots> jtfidje: remember how i said "if you're happy so am i"
[12:51] <jtfidje> tatertots: yees? *starting to feel nervous*
[12:52] <tatertots> jtfidje: i'd like to show you something, but don't read too much into it...don't worry..you're in good hands
[12:52] <jtfidje> tatertots: Okay :-P
[12:52] <tatertots> jtfidje: i'd like to show you a picture of another person i've helped in here...and i want you to compare it to what your link looks like...deal?
[12:53] <jtfidje> tatertots:  Officially freaked out. Let's go.....
[12:55] <tatertots> jtfidje: this is a nice gentlemen i helped earlier today https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427404/ and this is you https://paste.ubuntu.com/26436799/
[12:55] <SimonNL> jtfidje: run    update-pciids       in terminal that downloads a more resent copy of the pci id database
[12:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: i'd like to now focus your eyes on a particular piece of information.
[12:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: OpenGL renderer
[12:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: yours looks yucky
[12:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: his looks proper
[12:57] <jtfidje> tatertots: Right!
[12:57] <tatertots> jtfidje: don't read too much into that...i have a tendency to nit pick
[12:57] <jtfidje> tatertots: Has this something to do with me using prime to deactivate the gtx card when I dont need it to save battery?
[12:58] <tatertots> jtfidje: i would say that is plausible
[12:59] <jtfidje> tatertots: I've donwloaded the daily snapshot :-) What next? Can this still be fixed even though I use the integrated Intel gfx?
[12:59] <tatertots> jtfidje: but again...if you're happy....
[12:59] <tatertots> :)
[13:01] <SimonNL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427404/      https://paste.ubuntu.com/26436799/      ? which is from jtfidje tatertots ?
[13:01] <jtfidje> tatertots: Haha I really don't know what to say xD I guess the best answer I can give is: "I'm happy if you are happy!!"
[13:01] <tatertots> SimonNL: you always ask the hard questions
[13:01] <SimonNL> could be me but I think you got something mixed up
[13:01] <jtfidje> SimonNL: Mine is really https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427404/
[13:01] <jtfidje> No sry xD
[13:02] <jtfidje> SimonNL: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26437040/
[13:02] <tatertots> SimonNL: it's possible i got my humans mixedd up
[13:02] <SimonNL> yep
[13:02] <SimonNL> :)
[13:02] <tatertots> wait i'll try to sort
[13:02] <jtfidje> Haha xD
[13:02] <SimonNL> :)   you're welcome
[13:03] <tatertots> SimonNL: this is for sure jtfidje https://paste.ubuntu.com/26437040/
[13:03] <SimonNL> yeah I missed all the NA N/A  and filters
[13:04] <tatertots> SimonNL: and this is "pete" https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427404/ he's nice
[13:04] <SimonNL> jtfidje: anyway the story is the same
[13:04] <SimonNL> yep colorful pete
[13:05] <alpha_Aquila> ArtMia: Hello Art
[13:05] <ArtMia> hello
  <=   pete   tatertots
[13:06] <jtfidje> SimonNL: Right glad I was the correct human xD What was the conclusion? Switch to nVidia card when using two screens? Or possible to fix this using Intel card? :-D
[13:06] <tatertots> SimonNL: yeah
[13:06] <SimonNL> jtfidje: your best of asking tatertots
[13:07] <SimonNL> you're*
[13:07] <jtfidje> tatertots: Please see four messages up xD
[13:08] <tatertots> jtfidje: this "battery saving" you speak of
[13:08] <tatertots> jtfidje: tell me more about this
[13:08] <tatertots> jtfidje: as in your thought process
[13:08] <V7> Hey all
[13:09] <V7> Can I ask here question regards hardware ?
[13:09] <cfhowlett> ask V7 but be aware of #harware
[13:09] <jtfidje> tatertots: Well, when I have the nvidia card "on" the laptop dont last for more than two-three hours no matter what i do. But when i disabled it, I've had it last more than five hours on one charge
[13:09] <tatertots> jtfidje: i understand
[13:10] <tatertots> jtfidje: will you put the laptop back into "high performance" or "power sucking" mode temporarily?
[13:10] <V7> cfhowlett, #hardware might be quiet right now, but might be here some who could help here
[13:10] <tatertots> jtfidje: i need it to be running full power
[13:11] <jtfidje> tatertots: Hah xD Have to reboot then I think
[13:12] <tatertots> jtfidje: do what you must...just stop throttling
[13:13] <jtfidje> tatertots:  brb then
[13:13] <tatertots> throttling just like most things.....is bad if  not done in moderation
[13:16] <jtfidje> tatertots: right back.
[13:17] <jtfidje> tatertots: "OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1050/PCIe/SSE2 version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 384.111 Direct Render: Yes" but the issue stil persists :-(
[13:18] <tatertots> jtfidje: looking better
[13:18] <tatertots> jtfidje: i still see some stuff i don't really like though
[13:18] <tatertots> jtfidje: sorry to nit pick but...
[13:18] <jtfidje> tatertots: Oh right - please, nit pick all you want!
[13:19] <jtfidje> tatertots: I need to learn all I can
[13:19]  * SimonNL <= and
[13:19] <tatertots> jtfidje: open terminal
[13:19] <jtfidje> yeah
[13:20] <tatertots> jtfidje: nvidia-smi|pastebinit
[13:20] <jtfidje> tatertots: heh first thing I did after reboot to check if gfx was active xD
[13:20] <jtfidje> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437216/
[13:21] <tatertots> jtfidje: oh and don't do that "battery saving" thing anymore....i'll show you a better way to save battery
[13:21] <jtfidje> tatertots: Oh! Please do!
[13:22] <tatertots> jtfidje: looking better
[13:22] <tatertots> jtfidje: now turn around for me so i can get a good look at you "inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit"
[13:23] <jtfidje> tatertots: What xD http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437230/
[13:24] <tatertots> jtfidje: now that i can live with
[13:24] <tatertots> jtfidje: that mess prior....yucky
[13:25] <jtfidje> tatertots: But - after reboot bluetooth stopped working! Does that have anything to do with that update-thing I did?
[13:26] <tatertots> jtfidje: i wouldnt
[13:26] <tatertots> jtfidje: i wouldn't think that would be related..however...i've seen stranger things
[13:26] <jtfidje> tatertots: Hmm right. But - you mentioned a better way to save power? :-D
[13:27] <tatertots> jtfidje: oh yes..almost forgot
[13:27] <tatertots> jtfidje: standby
[13:27] <jtfidje> tatertots: *standing by*
[13:28] <moussa> invest in a donkey and a turning wheel generator
[13:28] <moussa> sorry wrong channel
[13:28] <SimonNL> good plan
[13:29] <tatertots> jtfidje: in terminal>   nvidia-settings &> ~/nip.pir
[13:29] <tatertots> jtfidje: you may not see anything..just let me know when done
[13:29] <tatertots> jtfidje: well you will see something
[13:29] <jtfidje> tatertots: Done - settings popped up
[13:30] <tatertots> jtfidje: look around for a second...click a few tabs..just kinda look around
[13:30] <john_rambo> The audio equalizer in Smplayer is grayed out. How to enable it ?
[13:30] <tatertots> jtfidje: now close it
[13:31] <jtfidje> tatertots: Haha xD What?!
[13:31] <tatertots> jtfidje: you may not see anything..just let me know when done
[13:31] <jtfidje> tatertots: Done xD
[13:31] <tatertots> jtfidje: pastebinit ~/nip.pir
[13:32] <jtfidje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437266/
[13:34] <tatertots> jtfidje: ok so i'm going to tell you the steps but i need to warn you of something
[13:35] <jtfidje> tatertots: Listening
[13:35] <tatertots> jtfidje: if you do any of that "battery saving" crap you did before...you will break it..do you understand
[13:35] <tatertots> ?
[13:35] <jtfidje> tatertots: Understood o7
[13:35] <ToBeCloud> lol battery saving again
[13:36] <ToBeCloud> We once had a funny discussion with a user who installed FreeDOS as their only OS for battery saving
[13:37] <jtfidje> ToBeCloud: Well - I'm not that dedicated to the cause xD
[13:37] <ToBeCloud> :D
[13:38] <tatertots> jtfidje: in terminal>   nvidia-settings &>> ~/nip.pir
[13:38] <tatertots> jtfidje: you may not see anything....(well you will actually but )
[13:39] <jtfidje> tatertots: Haha xD And you want me to click around the tabs to get a feel?
[13:39] <tatertots> jtfidje: yes...just look around
[13:39] <ToBeCloud> All I know is that the CPU "battery saving" power setting hurts battery life by reducing CPU clock frequency and making things run slower. Why would that hurt? Because CPU power consumption is near zero when it is completely unused. So you can *save* battery time by running your tasks as quickly as possible to have as much free time as possible
[13:39] <tatertots> jtfidje: check your temps and stuff with that cute little gauge nvidia put in there
[13:40] <jtfidje> tatertots: Okay - I've check the temps and stuff
[13:40] <tatertots> jtfidje: close it
[13:41] <jtfidje> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437312/
[13:42] <tatertots> jtfidje: cool
[13:42] <tatertots> jtfidje: ok so this is what you're going to do...when you want to have long battery life
[13:43] <tatertots> jtfidje: toggle over to the intel gpu
[13:43] <tatertots> jtfidje: do you know how to "toggle" them?
[13:43] <jtfidje> tatertots: prime-select is what I used to do
[13:44] <tatertots> jtfidje: you should have seen the switch while you were looking around the nvidia utility.......there is also prime-select
[13:44] <jtfidje> tatertots: Hah yeah  "PRIME Profiles" got it
[13:44] <jtfidje> tatertots: But you told me not to do this anymore
[13:45] <tatertots> jtfidje: pause
[13:45] <jtfidje> tatertots:  ||
[13:46] <tatertots> jtfidje: show me your command you use to toggle "verbatim".
[13:46] <jtfidje> tatertots: What? Sorry - what is verbatim?
[13:46] <tatertots> uh...exactly
[13:46] <cfhowlett> an adjective meaning "complete"
[13:47] <jtfidje> tatertots: prime-select intel
[13:47] <jtfidje> tatertots: prime-select nvidia
[13:47] <jtfidje> tatertots: is this what you mean?
[13:47] <tatertots> jtfidje: i want to make some changes to it
[13:47] <tatertots> jtfidje: yes perfect
[13:48] <tatertots> jtfidje: but i want you to do it a little differently
[13:48] <tatertots> jtfidje: try it like this right now
[13:48] <titou> i'm using a 2-in-2 laptop and i installed gnome on it. it well recognized its touchscreen and adapted the desktop unfortunately i have big troubles with caribou virtual keyboard...
[13:48] <titou> the virtual keyboard always appears on the screen when I touch it (this could be interesting when the laptop is in tablet mode (ie. without physical keyboard)). Moreover I cannot configure caribou (its layout), meta keys don't work etc. so is it possible to use another virtual keyboard? I didn't succeed to replace it with another one (for instance onboard)
[13:48] <titou> and is there a solution to temporaly disable virtual kyeboard when a physical keyboard is plugged or maybe throuh a button in the task bar?
[13:49] <tatertots> jtfidje: prime-select intel &>> ~/zip.pir
[13:49] <tatertots> jtfidje: and then do what you would normally do after doing that
[13:50] <tatertots> jtfidje: i'll wait to hear some feedback
[13:50] <jtfidje> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437348/
[13:51] <jtfidje> tatertots: That is what I normally do
[13:51] <tatertots> jtfidje: sorry try that again but with sudo in the beginning
[13:51] <jtfidje> Did
[13:52] <jtfidje> tatertots: It just appended to the file after I did sudo. Never mind the first line xD
[13:52] <tatertots> jtfidje: ok cool
[13:53] <titou> thus nobody knows for my problem?
[13:54] <tatertots> jtfidje: glxinfo |grep nGL|pastebin
[13:54] <tatertots> jtfidje: glxinfo |grep nGL|pastebinit
[13:54] <jtfidje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437366/
[13:55] <tatertots> jtfidje: you'll need to return here after following this next step...understand?
[13:55] <jtfidje> tatertots: ok? :-)
[13:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: press ctrl+alt+backspace
[13:56] <jtfidje> tatertots: (Have to leave for buss in 10min :-O )
[13:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: can you hear me?
[13:56] <jtfidje> tatertots: Nothing happens?
[13:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: reboot
[13:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: no wait
[13:56] <tatertots> jtfidje: log out
[13:57] <tatertots> jtfidje: just log out
[13:57] <tatertots> jtfidje: log back in
[13:57] <jtfidje> tatertots: ok brb
[13:57] <tatertots> jtfidje: you didnt' switch ove
[13:57] <tatertots> jtfidje: you didnt' switch over
[13:57] <jtfidje> still "on" intel
[13:57] <tatertots> jtfidje: it gets stuck sometimes
[13:58] <jtfidje> tatertots: oh I see
[13:58] <jtfidje> tatertots: Back
[13:59] <tatertots> jtfidje: glxinfo |grep nGL|pastebinit
[13:59] <jtfidje> tatertots: Throws an error
[14:00] <tatertots> jtfidje: that's what i want to hear :)
[14:00] <jtfidje> tatertots: Okay :P
[14:00] <tatertots> jtfidje: mind telling me what error you saw?
[14:00] <jtfidje> tatertots: X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[14:01] <tatertots> jtfidje: ah i've seen this before
[14:02] <tatertots> jtfidje: use the nvidia gui utility and attempt to switch to intel gpu
[14:02] <jtfidje> tatertots: I am on intel GPU it says
[14:02] <tatertots> jtfidje: oh yeah
[14:03] <tatertots> jtfidje: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[14:03] <jtfidje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26437401/
[14:04] <tatertots> jtfidje: YES!...you are aren't you
[14:04] <jtfidje> tatertots: What? xD
[14:04] <titou> thus nobody knows about my virtual keyboard problem?! it's impossible to replace caribou??
[14:04] <tatertots> jtfidje: it's ugly but i know why it's ugly now..and i'm okay with it
[14:04] <jtfidje> tatertots: Hahaha xD
[14:07] <jtfidje> tatertots: so all good then?
[14:15] <tatertots> jtfidje: all good
[14:18] <cakil> assalamualaikum
[14:20] <cakil> assalamualaikum
[14:21] <cakil> ada yang dari indonesia ?
[14:22] <jtfidje> tatertots: great! I guess I'll just have to live with the screen flickering  xD but hey - thank you so much for the help! You really made my day!!
[14:22] <leftyfb> cakil: /join #ubuntu-id
[14:23] <cakil> lefty : ok thanks
[14:29] <azizLIGHT> I'm about to reinstall 17.10 but need help. I have windows 10 installed and want to dual boot, and I installed 17.10 along side it. But there's a problem and I need to reinstall it. Im not sure what option to pick in the live CD installer: 1) Reinstall Ubuntu 17.10, which will keep files/software but system wide settings will be cleared or 2) Erase Ubuntu 17.10 and reinstall, which says it will delete Ubuntu
[14:29] <azizLIGHT> 17.10 files..... Now my question is what will happen to windows if I choose 1) or 2)
[14:31] <donofrio> azizLIGHT, why dual boot when you can just run userspace natively WSL (http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk) am unable to run ubuntu at work so I use win10 as 15gb bootloader to ubuntu goodness ;)
[14:33] <xtron> hi, just wanna clear confusion, if we update a patch (which is previously signed-off by someone) do we keep his signed-off and append ours, or just keep our signature ?
[14:34] <azizLIGHT> Interesting donofrio, however I want to boot straight to Ubuntu and have the option to use windows if needed. I will be in Ubuntu 90% of the time
[14:35] <donofrio> azizLIGHT, I'm in ubuntu 97% of the time, other time is outlook and visio
[14:37] <azizLIGHT> I just want to reinstall Ubuntu without killing my windows dual boot
[14:37] <donofrio> k just sharing
[14:37] <azizLIGHT> If anyone can help me understand what happens when I pick those choices in the installer I'd appreciate it
[14:38] <azizLIGHT> No problem donofrio just trying to get something done hereb
[14:38] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: i'd use the manual partitioner, in 14.04 i once wiped the whole disk and installed ubuntu by mistake by choosing one of the 'reinstall' options
[14:38] <azizLIGHT> Ouch
[14:38] <azizLIGHT> Well i have ubuntu on sda5 and I tried to delete the partition, then not sure what to do
[14:39] <azizLIGHT> After that
[14:39] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: i'd use the manual partitioner, in 14.04 i once wiped the whole disk and installed ubuntu by mistake by choosing one of the 'reinstall' options
[14:39] <azizLIGHT> Yes
[14:39] <azizLIGHT> What should I do once I delete Ubuntu partition and have free space
[14:40] <azizLIGHT> Sda1 - sda4 are windows related
[14:40] <EriC^^> no need to delete, just select the mount points to be used, and for the ubuntu partition click on format to erase it all
[14:41] <azizLIGHT> Here's what I'm looking at
[14:42] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: https://i.imgur.com/pl01wPJ.jpg
[14:42] <azizLIGHT> There is no format button there
[14:43] <azizLIGHT> Whoops I put flash on
[14:43] <azizLIGHT> Without camera flash: https://i.imgur.com/qKooQZE.jpg
[14:44] <EriC^^> next to /dev/sda5 there's a little box says format at the top
[14:46] <azizLIGHT> Oh the checkbox
[14:46] <azizLIGHT> I didn't see that
[14:47] <azizLIGHT> Ah I'm not able to select sda5 for format
[14:47] <azizLIGHT> I can't check the box
[14:49] <hateball> azizLIGHT: make sure you havent mounted the partition in a file manager or something
[14:51] <azizLIGHT> Nope I haven't mounted it
[14:51] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: double click /dev/sda5 and select '/' under mountpoint too, and double click /dev/sda2 and see if it says efi partition or something
[14:51] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: did you select the mountpoint?
[14:51] <EriC^^> maybe that's why
[14:52] <azizLIGHT> I deleted sda5 and created a new partition of same size (primary partition, location; beginning of this space, with ext4) and assigned / mount point
[14:53] <azizLIGHT> Now I am able to select checkbox for sda5 to format
[14:53] <azizLIGHT> Where sda5 is the ext4
[14:54] <azizLIGHT> Should I click install now: https://i.imgur.com/3UXLaKE.jpg
[14:55] <azizLIGHT> This will leave my windows partitions Sda1 to sda4 alone right?
[14:56] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: sda2 says efi windows boot manager
[14:57] <skinux> I'm getting really tired of trying to solve this, but here is full output of trying to install MariaDB https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[14:57] <skinux> The real problem is MySQL won't start, MySQL has no config, but MariaDB config files do.
[14:59] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: checking
[15:00] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: that looks good
[15:01] <azizLIGHT> OK, about to hit install now
[15:04] <cakil> hi.
[15:09] <cakil> here is the one from indonesia?
[15:10] <cakil> is it just me who is from indonesia?
[15:11] <azizLIGHT> Well I'm reinstalled and my windows is still intact and can dual boot
[15:11] <hateball> !id | cakil
[15:11] <azizLIGHT> Where do I pick xorg instead of Wayland?
[15:11] <azizLIGHT> I'm on the login screen
[15:12] <cakil> ubottu : ubuntu-id is very quiet
[15:12] <auronandace> azizLIGHT: choose the session
[15:13] <azizLIGHT> How do I do this auronandace
[15:13] <cakil> hateball : yes
[15:13] <auronandace> azizLIGHT: see a little cog/settings icon on the login screen?
[15:13] <oerheks> icon next to your name, aziz
[15:13] <azizLIGHT> I don't actually auronandace. I clicked my username and I see a password prompt
[15:14] <azizLIGHT> But there's no cog
[15:14] <oerheks> azizLIGHT, then nvidia disabled wayland, as planned
[15:15] <azizLIGHT> OK so I'm on xorg automatically
[15:15] <oerheks> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION # shows gnome or gnome-wayland
[15:16] <oerheks> or: env | grep -i wayland # shows nothing ( =xorg ) or wayland
[15:18] <azizLIGHT> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION # says Ubuntu
[15:18] <azizLIGHT> Nothing shows up for the second command
[15:18] <oerheks> so, no wayland
[15:18] <azizLIGHT> Yup
[15:20] <lumo_e> Hello, I have ubuntu 17.04 on my desktop and I postponed upgrading a bit too much I fear, I'm getting a lot of problems in trying to updgrade to 17.10
[15:21] <lumo_e> sudo apt-get update doesn't even work, because zesty repositories are disabled I suppose
[15:21] <lumo_e> I have run update-manager -c (the usual upgrade dialog) and I'm trying with that
[15:21] <auronandace> !eol | lumo_e
[15:21] <oerheks> lumo_e, how about just run the update gui, and choose 'newer version available'??
[15:22] <Deknos> can anyone work with git signing commits on ubuntu 16.04 with gnupg2?
[15:22] <lumo_e> yeah, I was trying that but the gui hangs at some point
[15:22] <lumo_e> I guess I'll change the apt sources
[15:22] <lumo_e> thanks auronandace
[15:24] <Darkhero> Do you have update-manager-core?
[15:24] <lumo_e> oh
[15:24] <lumo_e> now I see the problem
[15:25] <lumo_e> https://pastebin.com/xQQEUBxY
[15:25] <lumo_e> I have these lines at the and of the apt sources
[15:25] <lumo_e> all the other ones were correctly changed by the upgrade tool, and now have "artful" instead of "zesty"
[15:25] <lumo_e> but those seem wrong
[15:25] <lumo_e> and it was one of them the upgrade gui was complaining about
[15:26] <lumo_e> I wonder how should I fix them
[15:28] <lumo_e> welp, I'll just put some "artful" here and there
[15:28] <lumo_e> let's hope
[15:29] <lumo_e> wow, I'm bricking my system yay
[15:32] <nicomachus> lumo_e: what are you trying to do??
[15:34] <blackflow> there's a difference between "bricking" and "breaking". Surely you aren't bricking by messing with sources.list.
[15:37] <cakil> ?
[15:37] <harovali> hi, I'm running VirtualBox in 16.04 LTS, it normally runs fine, a w7 vm inside. Now there was a short blackout. Initially after restart, VB refused to initiate , saying vboxnet kernel module was not loaded, which seemed stange since it is loaded autimatically. After another system restart the module loaded fine, and VB opened. Then I try to open the VM, and it opens the window of the VM, but in black, and the system sort of 
[15:37] <harovali> eley
[15:38] <harovali> any kind hint is welcome,
[15:38] <harovali> after complete hang, only power cycle will do
[15:38] <harovali> it never happened befor
[15:38] <guntbert> harovali: my first step: reset the VM
[15:39] <harovali> guntbert: with a special command ?
[15:39] <guntbert> harovali: with the vbox shortcut: <host>+R
[15:40] <harovali> guntbert: see, once it starts, it shows nothing, only a black window and the system will be hung , no input accepted
[15:42] <azizLIGHT> I installed 17.10, logged in, did sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade, rebooted, logged in, checked if I'm on xorg with echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE and saw x11, then I changed gpu driver from open source to proprietary nvidia-384 from software&updates additional drivers, rebooted, and now my computer won't boot past "loading initial ramdisk" after grub selection: https://imgur.com/a/aER29 so I tried the
[15:42] <azizLIGHT> other kernel options without "quiet splash" and they also do the same thing and hang at loading initial ramdisk. The only one that goes further is 4.13.0-21-generic. It changes something on the screen and then goes black and TV says "no signal". What exactly is going on and what can i do to fix it. Thanks
[15:43] <guntbert> harovali: well you could try the following: in vbox enable Remote desktop for this vm, then try to access it via RDP - you can get real vbox support in #vbox - Good luck!
[15:46] <thelinuxbox> does anyone know which part of the ubuntu iso to modify to prevent a blank screen on bootup of the iso, so once the distro is run it goes straight to the startup menu?
[15:47] <oerheks> boot with nomodeset, you can do that on the 1st page, as you posted earlier
[15:48] <thelinuxbox> oerheks, hi again :), isn't that for an installed system?
[15:49] <skinux> The one thing I don't like about Ubuntu...when it does break, it breaks hard.
[15:49] <oerheks> no, it is a boot option for the installer iso too
[15:50] <oerheks> you posted that screen with the menu open, check again?
[15:53] <thelinuxbox> oerheks, oh, do you mean that f6 popup menu? please ignore that on the screen shot, i meant
[15:54] <thelinuxbox> oerheks, i mean the menu that says "try ubuntu..."
[15:54] <oerheks> that is the place to be
[15:54] <thelinuxbox> i found that screenshot on the web for quick reference this morning, sorry for the confusion
[15:55] <thelinuxbox> i was that tired this morning when i logged on i didn't notice the f6 menu in the screenshot i linked too, sorry
[15:56] <oerheks> np
[15:57] <skinux> If I'm not mistaken, Ubuntu, without too much real trouble, can be customized to be simliar to almost any Linux distribution out there?
[15:59] <oerheks> skinux, this goes offtopic
[16:00] <pavlos> skinux: did you fix the mysql issue?
[16:03] <thelinuxbox> oerheks, just to clear things up, when the lubuntu iso is run this screen appears http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q4cVanTOtzQ/U6INJ2WMsBI/AAAAAAAAD5o/hr_jY1Mnob8/s1600/boot2.PNG but in ubuntu you have to press enter to see the ubuntu equivalent
[16:04] <thelinuxbox> i'm would like to disable the extra step on my modified ubuntu iso, if possible :)
[16:04] <oerheks> thelinuxbox, not true, iirc
[16:04] <oerheks> it boot straight up to that same menu
[16:05] <oerheks> i have no clue what you wan tto do, add nomodeset automaticly? not sure that can be done, btw how many times would you start the installer? daily?
[16:05] <thelinuxbox> it's ok, thanks for your time
[16:08] <skinux> pavios: No, I haven't. Seems another problem every step.
[16:09] <skinux> I don't remember the last error, but here is the latest output https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[16:09] <skinux> @pavlos
[16:10] <pavlos> skinux: so you're trying to install MariaDB ?
[16:11] <skinux> I'm trying to get MySQL to start. I've checked config files to know that MySQL basically has none. MariaDB config files exist, but MariaDB isn't installed (which it was).
[16:12] <skinux> MariaDB config files ARE being included
[16:13] <skinux> Do I needo to paste all Maria configs?
[16:13] <pavlos> skinux: can you re-install mysql-server ?
[16:13] <skinux> I already purged it, I don't rember if it did reinstall, I don't think so.
[16:14] <skinux> Well, yes, it must have or I'd get no errors about it not being able to start
[16:14] <sahil_> hi
[16:14] <pavlos> skinux: are you on 16.04?
[16:14] <skinux> Yes. I just tried purging MySQL and it said it's not installed.
[16:15] <root____3> hi
[16:15] <skinux> Oh, yeah..duh..the errors I'm getting are from trying to install MySQL and also get them trying to install mariadb
[16:16] <pavlos> skinux: dpkg -l | grep mysql ... can you purge all those?
[16:16] <root____3> how can i hide my Ip Address under a Domain Name?
[16:17] <sahil_> is any girl is here
[16:17] <oerheks> sahil_, sure, but this is ubuntu support, not a dating channel, kiddo
[16:18] <sahil_> but we can make
[16:18] <oerheks> root____3, how is that related to ubuntu support?
[16:19] <sahil_> lreave that are u girl
[16:19] <sahil_> ?
[16:19] <root____3> oerheks, i am new to irc
[16:19] <pavlos> sahil_: use VPN
[16:20] <oerheks> root____3, if you want to hide your ip on irc, ask in #freenode for a cloak
[16:21] <root____3> oerheks, lemme try :). thanks dude
[16:23] <Guest76840> How can I change my user name here in IRC?
[16:23] <oerheks> Guest76840, register a free name
[16:23] <oerheks> !register
[16:25] <skinux> OKay, I purged everything, then tried installing MariaDB, https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[16:27] <pavlos> Guest76840: you can type, "/nick bob_here" no quotes
[16:31] <dokma> I'm getting errors from my 8TB Seagate SMR ST8000AS0002 just bought off of EBay...
[16:31] <dokma> https://pastebin.com/DZyXZCDE
[16:32] <dokma> https://pastebin.com/JF1YG0Sn
[16:32] <dokma> I have another exact same model and even series in that same mining rig which works like a charm...
[16:33] <Docfxit> I installed a program called DoubleCmd.  I would like to change the link that launches it and put gksudo in front of the link.  I have installed gksudo.  How can I change the link?
[16:35] <root____3> im back
[16:36] <root____3> clear
[16:37] <pavlos> Docfxit: which Desktop Env? there is a dconf-editor that allows you to modify menu entries
[16:38] <Docfxit> Gnome
[16:39] <skinux> pavlos: Did you get my last reply?
[16:39] <oerheks> Docfxit, those launchers are in the  in the /usr/share/applications folder
[16:40] <oerheks> or ~/.local/share/applications if it is installed for your user only
[16:40] <pavlos> skinux: no, I suggested purging mysql from the dpkg -l listing
[16:40] <skinux> I did. And that finished. Then upon trying to install Mariadb, I got https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[16:43] <skinux> I don't know why ld even cares if something is a symlink or hardlink
[16:43] <Docfxit> oerheks, Do I need to use terminal to find it?
[16:44] <pavlos> skinux: I just did the same install, mariadb-server-core-10.0 and it went w/o errors. You need to clean your system make sure an update/upgrade is clean before continuing ... do you have any ppa's?
[16:45] <titou> still nobody for my problem with the virtual keyboard caribou?
[16:46] <oerheks> Docfxit, you would need sudo to edit
[16:46] <root____3> clear
[16:47] <oerheks> ls /usr/share/applications  # and edit sudo nano  /usr/share/applications/<name>
[16:52] <mzaza> Any one familiar with the problem of Nvidia GEFROCE cards with Ubuntu 17.10?
[16:52] <mzaza> I'm using the property drivers and it's not working.
[16:55] <ioria> mzaza, afaik, thwere are  issues with the newer kernel  4.13.0.25 and nvidia; so or use another kernel (bad) or try ppa
[16:55] <Docfxit> oerheks, I added gksudo to the beginning of the Exec line.  I wrote it out.  I don't think it worked.
[16:55] <oerheks> Docfxit, you might need to logout/.llogin to take effect/?
[16:56] <mzaza> ioria: PPA for latest nvidia driver?
[16:57] <ioria> mzaza, yes, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa   (reported working, but not sure)
[16:58] <ioria> mzaza, firts, you need to purge the nvidia packages  you have got
[16:58] <skinux> pavlos: I just completed all upgrades, and installation almost worked. However, it failed installing mariadb-server-core https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[16:58] <Docfxit> oerheks, I logged out.  I am trying to sign in.  I don't remember creating a password.
[16:58] <mzaza> ioria: I did
[16:59] <ioria> mzaza, ok, maybe you can try also 390
[17:00] <mzaza> ioria: Same PPA?
[17:00] <pavlos> skinux: that mariadb package messed up my install as well so now I'm purging everything and start fresh
[17:00] <nacc> skinux: read the complete logs, it failed to start mariab
[17:00] <oerheks> Docfxit, you *can* reset it, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[17:00] <ioria> mzaza, sure
[17:01] <oerheks> Docfxit,  and i found this, maybe a help > Exec=gnome-terminal -e "bash -c 'sudo -i <name>;'" >>> https://beamtic.com/launch-gui-from-desktop-files
[17:04] <skinux> pavlos: Here is the info in syslog https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[17:04] <EriC^^> oerheks: dont you mean 'sudo -iu <name>' ?
[17:05] <pavlos> nacc: can you take a look at skinux's issue while I'm fixing my system?
[17:05] <nacc> pavlos: sure
[17:05] <EriC^^> oerheks: oh, nevermind
[17:05] <oerheks> EriC^^, not sure, never made such launcher
[17:06] <nacc> pavlos: skinux: oh wit
[17:06] <nacc> pavlos: skinux: are you migrating from mysql 5.6 to mariadb 10.0?
[17:07] <skinux> nacc: No, mysql has been 5.7 and mariadb 10.0. It was working fine, but something went wrong. I had to reinstall system and it kept my personal files intact. However, mysql/mariadb seems to be borked.
[17:09] <nacc> skinux: do you have the file '/usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys' ?
[17:09] <skinux> MariaDB is just a drop-in, it runs on front of MySQL doesn't it?
[17:09] <nacc> skinux: uh, no
[17:09] <nacc> skinux: well, i mean it's a replacement, i don't know what you mean by 'in front of'
[17:09] <skinux> Yes, it is there.
[17:10] <nacc> skinux: what are the permissions (ls -ahl on it in a pastebin)
[17:10] <TheMess> Hello
[17:11] <skinux> It's added to the Gist
[17:12] <nacc> skinux: hrm, line 97 implies that mariadb can't read the file
[17:12] <skinux> Hmm. Well, seems to me it is supposed to be root root
[17:13] <Docfxit> oerheks, I'm trying to change the password.  I held down the shift key while booting up to get into the rescue mode.  It didn't give me any options.
[17:15] <nacc> skinux: wait, are you trying to run both mysql and mariadb?
[17:16] <skinux> Umm, maybe so.
[17:16] <nacc> skinux: yeah that's nonsense
[17:16] <nacc> skinux: they are both mysql implementations
[17:16] <nacc> you run one or the other
[17:16] <nacc> your logs are indicating you are trying to run mysql 5.6, fwiw
[17:16] <nacc> a fresh install of xenial in a container
[17:16] <nacc> /usr/sbin/mysqld (mysqld 10.0.33-MariaDB-0ubuntu0.16.04.1)
[17:17] <nacc> (both mariadb and mysql provide the mysqld binary, e.g.)
[17:18] <nacc> skinux: and in particular, mariadb-server-10.0 conflicts with mysql-server-5.7
[17:19] <nacc> skinux: do you have database data you want to keep?
[17:20] <skinux> Yes.
[17:20] <nacc> skinux: dpkg -S mysqld
[17:21] <cortexman> how do I disable / remove / uninstall / burn to ashes the keyring? i never want to see this dialog again.
[17:22] <skinux> Gist is updated with that
[17:22] <gopal> TJ-:
[17:33] <skinux> nacc: I updated my gist with the output https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[17:33] <rvgate> cortexman, you can unlock your keyring on login
[17:34] <studio-user076> Hello everyone, can I ask for your kind help for a booting problem? I've searched in forums to no avail...
[17:34] <nacc> skinux: it would appear you have installed mysqld by hand
[17:35] <nacc> or have an old version around
[17:35] <RonaldsMazitis> does rc6 for wine is final version for ubuntu 16.04
[17:35] <RonaldsMazitis> wine 3.0 rc6
[17:35] <RonaldsMazitis> winecfg says
[17:35] <nacc> skinux: `ls -ahl /usr/sbin/mysqld`
[17:35] <RonaldsMazitis> https://www.tecmint.com/install-wine-on-ubuntu-and-linux-mint/
[17:35] <RonaldsMazitis> I upgraded my wine like this tutorial says
[17:35] <skinux> nacc: No such file or directory
[17:35] <nacc> RonaldsMazitis: i don't believe wine 3.0 is in 16.04?
[17:36] <nacc> skinux: `which mysqld`
[17:36] <joshua__> awesome
[17:36] <RonaldsMazitis> nacc it says wine 3.0 rc6 in winecfg
[17:36] <joshua__> open scratch
[17:36] <RonaldsMazitis> why would not be, it's lts version
[17:36] <skinux> Oh FFS! It's a symlink to Ampps.
[17:36] <nacc> skinux: ...
[17:37] <joshua__> why
[17:37] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm just curios why it's rc 6
[17:37] <joshua__> lol
[17:37] <nacc> RonaldsMazitis: in 16.04, only wine 1.6 is present
[17:37] <skinux> I thought I was installing Ampps as a packaged application, not taking over existing mysql
[17:37] <nacc> skinux: well that's your issue
[17:37] <joshua__> gyth
[17:37] <nacc> skinux: and presumably that's using 5.6, which is ... well not supported
[17:37] <nacc> !who | joshua__
[17:38] <joshua__> are you a scammer
[17:38] <oerheks> RonaldsMazitis, that is unofficial, that page.. it has just been released
[17:38] <nacc> joshua__: this is the ubuntu support channel; do you have a support question?
[17:38] <oerheks> not in our repos, just a download from wineHQ
[17:38] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah but I got wine 3.0 rc6 installed
[17:38] <oerheks> good luck with testing :-D
[17:39] <gopal> oerheks , can you please fix my gpu ?
[17:39] <nacc> RonaldsMazitis: that's a choice you mae
[17:39] <nacc> RonaldsMazitis: not supported here
[17:39] <skinux> Okay, I'm tired of seeing libcrypto.so.1.0.0 is not a symbolic link and libQtCore is empty.
[17:40] <skinux> Also, these LSB errors are not going away.
[17:40] <nacc> skinux: i have no idea what else you may or may not have from ubuntu packages
[17:40] <nacc> skinux: those are just warnings
[17:40] <joshua__> go into terminal on kano and type ESPEAK hello
[17:40] <oerheks> gopal, what issue exactly?
[17:40] <skinux> Well, they are obviously more than that because mariadb/mysql service did not install
[17:40] <nacc> joshua__: this is the support channel. Please stick to support topics.
[17:41] <nacc> skinux: not because of any of those messages
[17:41] <nacc> skinux: mariadb failed to install because you have a totally unsupported mysqld installed
[17:41] <gopal> system dont load amdgpu , yesterday Tj also tried to debug it
[17:41] <nacc> skinux: i have no idea what state your system is in
[17:41] <brainwash> gopal: head over to #radeon
[17:42] <sas21> dont work 3d support in debian/ubuntu x86 and virtualbox guest additions? i get always a black screen after i install the guest addition.
[17:42] <gopal> cant send msg to readon
[17:43] <gopal> yes i am there
[17:43] <oerheks> brainwash, really not helpful.
[17:44] <brainwash> oerheks: what is?
[17:44] <oerheks> gopal, on what ubuntu version, what nvidia card, and what driver do you have installed?
[17:44] <gopal> i am using amd r5 m430
[17:44] <brainwash> nvidia? isn't this about amd?
[17:44] <brainwash> oerheks: ...
[17:45] <oerheks> c/amd card
[17:45] <gopal> please check yesterday's irc log Tj- also try to debug it
[17:46] <brainwash> gopal: you are in the #radeon channel, and yet you cannot send any messages? do you get some error?
[17:46] <gopal> yes
[17:46] <gopal> Cannot send to channel: #radeon
[17:46] <oerheks> gopal, and what ubuntu version? why do i have to look back in logs ,..
[17:47] <gopal> 16.04 and TJ posted some very useful information
[17:47] <gopal> i forgot to copy it and i cant find logs
[17:47] <oerheks> gopal, oke, did you install HWE ?
[17:47] <gopal> yes
[17:47] <gopal> it is already installed
[17:47] <oerheks> not sure that card is supported by amdgpu-pro .. looking for info
[17:48] <gopal> blacklisted readon , but still readon loadinstead of amdgpu
[17:48] <gopal> it is supported , TJ said
[17:49] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Back on .. thunderstorns last night - forced shut down - I got an idea now of what is taking place on your system!
[17:50] <sas21> 3d support in debian/ubuntu x86 and virtualbox guest additions will not work? i get always a black screen after i install the guest addition. logfile end -> https://pastebin.com/kupR3M9V
[17:51] <sas21> maybe someone can help me
[17:51] <TJ-> gopal: oerheks The problem here is the HP laptop has hybrid Intel/AMD GPUs, AMD GPU is claimed by both radeon and amdgpu but radeon is the one that binds (amdgpu won't bind for some reason), but it seems there's no way to switch GPUs or disable AMD GPU for power-saving
[17:51] <oerheks> gopal, not supported, AMD Radeon™ R5 340 only http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[17:51] <gopal> it is same
[17:51] <oerheks> that is the only R5 i see
[17:51] <gopal> alis is supported
[17:51] <gopal> and i have amdgpu installed
[17:52] <gopal> but it is loading readon , even after blacking listing it
[17:54] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432001/   https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431984/     https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431977/    https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431369/
[17:54] <TJ-> oerheks: I spent several hours on it but couldn't solve it, but it came down to the kerne's amdgpu module claiming a modalias matching the GPU but not binding to it, and without amdgpu kernel module the AMDGPU-PRO userland drivers won't work of course
[17:55] <TJ-> oerheks: we tried v4.15-rc8 but that didn't help so backed that out
[17:56] <cortexman> how do I uninstall the keyring
[17:57] <cortexman> how do I destroy the keyring and all people who ever knew it existed, such that it is as if it never existed?
[17:57] <nacc> cortexman: what keyring?
[17:57] <gopal> TJ-: can you please report the bug ?
[17:57] <cortexman> whatever it is that is giving me these stupid dialogs all the time, for years and years and years...
[17:57] <nacc> cortexman: what dialogs?
[17:58] <cortexman> you know, the ones asking you to unlock your keyring.
[17:58] <cortexman> keyring this, keyring that
[17:58] <nacc> cortexman: i don't know what you're referring to. I get prompted to unlock my keyring when ... 'm unlocking my keyring.
[17:58] <nacc> cortexman: which is an intentional action and i don't get constant prompts
[17:58] <nacc> cortexman: perhaps you have configured your system to unlock the keyring on login?
[17:59] <cortexman> i don't want a keyring
[17:59] <cortexman> i am not unlocking a keyring
[17:59] <cortexman> let us unite in our shared antipathy for the keyring
[17:59] <cortexman> sudo rm -fr $(grep -ri keyring | tr -s " " | cut -f1 -d" ")
[17:59] <gopal> TJ-: and my battry drain 18 percent in 12 hours , when laptop is off
[18:02] <cortexman> everyone run that command. let us end the reign of the pointless keyring
[18:02] <nicomachus> cortexman: do NOT recommend that people run dangerous commands in this channel.
[18:02] <TJ-> gopal: well that isn't due to the GPU
[18:03] <SimonNL_Afk> oerheks: not supported I already said that yesterday
[18:03] <TJ-> gopal: I think the mailing list you need for reporting the problem is https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/amd-gfx/
[18:04] <oerheks> SimonNL, i guess so too, cannot find any confirmation that it works too, and i believe the amd page is correct
[18:04] <nacc> cortexman: please stop.
[18:04] <nacc> cortexman: many many people use keyrings
[18:04] <gopal> TJ-: how ?
[18:04] <SimonNL> r5 and r7 not even in the lists and inputing hd series 8600  leads to the old drivers
[18:05] <SimonNL> 8600M
[18:05] <oerheks> that is the only R5 i see is 340, and certainly not equal to 430
[18:05] <SimonNL> yep
[18:06] <gopal> so my gpu wont support ubuntu ?
[18:07] <cortexman> i hate the keyring, i want to get rid of it
[18:07] <skinux> nacc: mysql is no longer installed at all.
[18:07] <cortexman> i don't want to get rid of my sense of humor
[18:07] <cortexman> that is a sign of mental illness. cc @nicomachus @nacc
[18:07] <skinux> Well, it appears it may have been installed when mariadb was installing, but it was completely uninstalled.
[18:08] <SimonNL> gopal: only opensource
[18:08] <SimonNL> gopal: to go back to 14.04
[18:08] <SimonNL> or*
[18:09] <gopal> SimonNL: and how to fix battery drain ? it also dont work in 14.04
[18:09] <SimonNL> maybe some program or so powersaving stuff
[18:10] <TJ-> gopal: it looks like you need to report the bug in the bugtracker https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=amdgpu
[18:10] <oerheks> TJ-, amdgpu <> amdgpu-pro ..
[18:10] <gopal> TJ-: i dont know how to do it , can you please report it ?
[18:10] <oerheks> amdgpu seems to work fine
[18:12] <gopal> TJ-: should i use ubuntu 14.04 lts ?
[18:19] <TJ-> gopal: I don't think down-grading will help
[18:20] <gopal> TJ-: it cant be fixed?
[18:20] <TJ-> oerheks: the kernel amdgpu module is, according to what I've read, used by the /userspace/ AMDGPU-PRO drivers (opencl, Xorg)
[18:21] <TJ-> gopal: It seems not right now, no. You need to report the bug to the amdgpu developers via the bug tracker and mailing list I pointed you to
[18:21] <gopal> TJ-: can you please report it ? i dont know what to say
[18:24] <Guest81214> i already did lspci: 09:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 930M] (rev a2)
[18:24] <Guest81214> , i cant solve this problem, do you know someone  how can i fix it on linux?
[18:24] <TJ-> gopal: It's your system. You need to report that "amdgpu module does not bind to 1002:6660 R5 M330" and include the info from those pastebins, especially https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431984/  - detail that you blacklisted radeon and amdgpu wouldn't bind, and you've tried Ubuntu's 4.13 and mainline 4.15.-rc8 kernels.
[18:25] <gopal> TJ-:  please provide bug report link again
[18:25] <Docfxit> I am currently booted into a USB.  I need to copy files from the hard drive.  The name of the hard drive is a very long set of numbers and letters.  How can I rename it to something simple?
[18:25] <Guest81214> or i should buy hardware for linux
[18:26] <gopal> TJ-:  ubuntu 14.04 will support my gpu or i will get same issue ?
[18:27] <TJ-> gopal: same issue. Better support comes with most recent releases and you've tried 4.15-rc8 which was pushed last week, so it needs fixing upstream
[18:32] <gopal> TJ-: which product should i pick?
[18:38] <Docfxit> How do I input the copy from for all files on the drive with drive ID 83 on the rsync command?
[18:39] <gopal> TJ-:  it is correct ?   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104735
[18:40] <gopal> TJ-:  it is correct ?   "https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104735"
[18:41] <TJ-> gopal: did you make the bug private? The site denies access
[18:41] <gopal> TJ-:  no
[18:43] <Bashing-om> Docfxit: Awaiting your response on the forum :)
[18:44] <Docfxit> Bashing-om, I don't see anyone answered my question.
[18:45] <Bashing-om> Docfxit: Welcome here . but I think in your case the forum is the better means to address your query .
[18:47] <Docfxit> Bashing-om, I have a thread on the forum.  I have posed this question on the thread.  I don't see an answer.
[18:47] <Docfxit> Should I post the link to the forum here?
[18:48] <gopal> it is working now ? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104737
[18:48] <Bashing-om> Docfxit: One day ago post #4 on that thread is my last response .
[18:48] <gopal> TJ-:  plz check it
[18:48] <rangergord> donofrio-g5: hi...you here?
[18:50] <skinux> nacc: This is the current MySQL installed: mysql  Ver 15.1 Distrib 10.0.33-MariaDB, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.2
[18:50] <Docfxit> Bashing-om, Thank you.  I have posted a response #5
[18:52] <gopal> please tell me mail id to mail my bug , i posted on bug.freedesktop
[18:54] <nacc> skinux: that looks right
[18:55] <skinux> nacc: Okay, well this isn't https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[18:55] <gopal> TJ-:  please tell me email id to send it
[18:55] <Docfxit> Bashing-om, I am in a time crunch to get this saving of files done.  Would it be faster to get questions answered on the forum or here?
[18:55] <nacc> skinux: all of the lsb tings are warnings
[18:55] <nacc> skinux: so ignore those
[18:55] <skinux> Yeah, not asking about those.
[18:56] <nacc> skinux: what are you asking about?
[18:56] <nacc> skinux: i don't see any errors in your paste
[18:56] <nacc> (from dpkg or apt)
[18:56] <skinux> None of those are errors? Hmm.
[18:57] <Bashing-om> Docfxit: Depends on you skill level and your comprehension of what is required . Here is "generallY" faster .
[18:57] <nacc> skinux: well, not from apt or dpkg
[18:57] <skinux> nacc: Not sure what I did to resolve it, but mysql started
[18:57] <nacc> skinux: ok
[18:57] <skinux> I mean, I was just following directions, but something fixed it.
[18:57] <Docfxit> Bashing-om, Thanks.
[18:58] <nacc> skinux: well, remving the busted  mysql probably did it
[19:00] <Docfxit> I am trying to build a rsync command line.  The from needs to be all files on a hard drive /dev/sda2  ID 83.
[19:01] <gopal> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104737
[19:03] <nacc> Docfxit: rsync needs a fileystem path, i'm pretty sure
[19:03] <nacc> Docfxit: so you'd mount it then, rsync the mounted path
[19:04] <Docfxit> nacc, The drive is mounted.  What would the path be?
[19:04] <nacc> Docfxit: ... wherever you mounted it?
[19:04] <nacc> skinux: but, to be clear, those warnings (the last two lines in the gist) do indicate your system is not stock ubuntu any more
[19:05] <Docfxit> nacc, It was mounted when I booted into Ubuntu.
[19:05] <nacc> skinux: you have a local libQtCore.so file, which is empty
[19:05] <skinux> nacc: Hmm. I wonder if that's because I had installed "Ubuntu Studio".
[19:05] <nacc> skinux: dunno
[19:05] <skinux> Well, I think reinstalling Qt would solve that.
[19:05] <nacc> Docfxit: check `mount` to see what is mounted
[19:05] <nacc> skinux: ... no
[19:05] <nacc> skinux: that won't touch files in /usr/local
[19:05] <nacc> skinux: those were manually installed there by the admin
[19:07] <jimb_> nacc: Is there a preference for 'mount' versus 'lsblk' ?
[19:07] <skinux> I am the admin, single user system, not networked to sync with other systems.
[19:07] <skinux> ANd I haven't done anything specific like that.
[19:07] <nacc> jimb_: lsblk gives you a lot more info
[19:07] <nacc> skinux: ... well, someone has
[19:07] <nacc> skinux: i guess it's possible the studio stuff does, but i'd be surprised, if so
[19:07] <jimb_> nacc: Ok. I find lsblk to be more easily read. Not to derail the convo, just input. Thanks for all the help you provide.
[19:08] <Docfxit> nacc, Mount shows me /dev/sda2  /media/root/A very long list of numbers and letters.
[19:08] <Docfxit> nacc, Is there a way for me to shorten the name of the drive?
[19:08] <skinux> If I remove ubuntu studio, will it remove things that Ubuntu stock needs?
[19:09] <nicomachus> no
[19:09] <nacc> jimb_: yeah, i'm just used to mount :)
[19:09] <skinux> Okay, so I can remove Ubuntu Studio and the system will go on with the stock Ubuntu that I started with.
[19:09] <nacc> skinux: it should not
[19:10] <nacc> Docfxit: you can use the tab key to automcomplete it
[19:10] <nacc> Docfxit: you can shorten the name of the mount point (not the drive, the drive is /dev/sda2)
[19:12] <Docfxit> nacc, How can I shorten the name of the mount point to UbuntuHD?
[19:13] <nacc> Docfxit: is it super-important to do right now? you would normal modify it in /etc/fstab (I'm sure there is a graphical way to do it, but i don't know how)
[19:14] <nacc> ah the 'disks' utility, i guess
[19:14] <skinux> Apparently Ubuntu Studio isn't installed. My repair install must have removed it.
[19:15] <skinux> Wel, anyway, problem solved. Thanks guys
[19:15] <Bashing-om> Docfxit: nacc Awaiting the posters response on the forum at this time L)
[19:16] <gopal> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104737
[19:17] <mezod> could someone with ubuntu 17 and firefox 57 visit a site for me just to doublecheck if it breaks for them? thank you
[19:17] <oerheks> mezod, you keep asking without provinding an url
[19:18] <mezod> oerheks: it's behind a credentials wall I need to provide via pm (it's an application dashboard)
[19:18] <mezod> may I pm you?
[19:19] <oerheks> mezod, i uninstalled firefox, sorry, cannot help
[19:19] <mezod> no worries :)
[19:19] <Docfxit> Bashing-om, Posted response on the forum.
[19:19] <nicomachus> I'm on 16.04 but could try otherwise
[19:19] <mezod> nicomachus: i tried it in 16 and it works, but i'll pm you for doublechecking too, is it ok?
[19:19] <oerheks> any ubuntu version would do i guess, else it could be a gdm issue
[19:20] <nicomachus> mezod: go for it
[19:20] <nicomachus> oerheks: I am running gnome on 16.04 with gdm so that covers that
[19:22] <mezod> I'm unfamiliar with gdm, I'll google about it
[19:23] <gopal> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104737
[19:23] <gopal> "https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104737"
[19:25] <James0r> upgraded MySQL-server on 16.04 and it's all borked
[19:26] <James0r> http://dpaste.com/2ZG43WW
[19:27] <Docfxit> So for rsync would the from be:
[19:27] <Docfxit> /dev/sda2/*
[19:27] <Docfxit> To specify all files on the drive?
[19:27] <Zach_> i need help running  make menuconfig
[19:28] <Zach_> im builing a modified kernal for my android but i get an erro
[19:28] <nacc> Zach_: you should ask in a kernel channel
[19:28] <nacc> Zach_: that's not an ubuntu support topic
[19:28] <beaver> hello, what's the new option in apt-file for --non-interactive ? i have this error : Unknown option: non-interactive
[19:28] <nacc> Docfxit: no, as i said earlier, you rsync the mountpath, not the disk
[19:28] <Zach_> uh..where then?
[19:28] <nacc> !alis | Zach_
[19:28] <nacc> Zach_: although the kernel channels i've used in the past are on OFTC, not FreeNode
[19:29] <Zach_> well i i just get the error "make: *** No rule to make target 'menuconfig'.  Stop"
[19:30] <gopal> "https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104737" please help !!
[19:30] <nacc> Zach_: you are presumably not in a kernel source directory; in any case, like i said, offtopic here
[19:30] <Zach_> what channel do i go to then?
[19:30] <Necm> hi
[19:30] <nacc> Zach_: use alis to search, as ubottu just said
[19:31] <nacc> Zach_: or you can ask in OFTC/#kernelnewbies
[19:31] <Zach_> that works, thanks
[19:31] <Bashing-om> Docfxit: If it is the intent to clone the operating system, there are better tools for that purpose . If the intent is to copy off personal files for a new install, then all you want to copy off is the personal files . There is no need to copy off system files that will be incompatible with the newer packaging .
[19:32] <nacc> gopal: ... you've filed hte bug upstream, youshould wait to get a response there
[19:32] <Necm> how can i build "PL" bot ?
[19:32] <nacc> gopal: those developers are not in this channel so it's irresponsible to ask us to help
[19:34] <nacc> beaver: i don't know, there's nothing mentinoed in the changelog
[19:34] <nacc> Necm: presumably you should ask the developers of said bot, not thischannel
[19:35] <Necm> nacc: where developer
[19:36] <nacc> Necm: i don't know
[19:36] <beaver> hi, hello, I'm looking for the equivalent of this option : -N, --non-interactive Skip schemes that are listed in the interactive line in apt-file.conf. This is useful if you want to call 'apt-file update' in cron jobs and skip all schemes that may require user input. i not find nacc
[19:36] <beaver> for apt-file
[19:37] <beaver> this option is present in the trusty binary
[19:37] <Zach_> is tatertots online? i need pastebinit installed
[19:37] <nacc> beaver: it's been removed upstream
[19:37] <nacc> Zach_: uh, `sudo apt-get install pastebinit` ?
[19:37] <Zach_> tyring that
[19:38] <beaver> nacc: arf
[19:38] <nacc> beaver: https://github.com/nthykier/apt-file/blob/master/README.md
[19:38] <nacc> beaver: going by that
[19:38] <nacc> beaver: i'm guessing you are on 17.10 or 18.04?
[19:38] <beaver> nacc: 17.10
[19:39] <nacc> beaver: yeah, that's on apt-file (3..)
[19:40] <beaver> Unknown option: N
[19:40] <nacc> beaver: ... that's the same option
[19:40] <nacc> beaver: it's been removed, as i just said
[19:40] <beaver> ok, can i downgrade the binary ?
[19:40] <nacc> beaver: no
[19:40] <nacc> beaver: well, not trivially
[19:41] <beaver> how can i do ?
[19:41] <nacc> beaver: you can look for a ppa, i guess
[19:41] <nacc> !ppa | beaver
[19:41] <beaver> ok, thank you
[19:48] <pavlos> nacc: thanks for helping out ... it took me some time to get my system back in order.
[19:48] <nacc> pavlos: np
[19:48] <nacc> pavlos: it was all a bit of a red herring :)
[19:49] <Zach_> that works
[19:50] <mohamed_> hello
[19:50] <UbAh> looking for advice on what to do when do-release-upgrade fails
[19:50] <UbAh> fresh install is not an option
[19:50] <mohamed_> i need help plz
[19:51] <UbAh> mohamed_, state the problem
[19:51] <Bashing-om> mohamed_: What release are you upgrading from ?
[19:51] <mohamed_> i install ubuntu16.04
[19:51] <UbAh> Bashing-om, I think you ment to respond to me?
[19:51] <UbAh> oh we are both upgrading?
[19:53] <Bashing-om> UbAh: Correct . And - what is the nature of the problem you are facing ?
[19:53] <mohamed_> and now i can't enter to bios
[19:54] <mohamed_> what i shuld do now
[19:55] <mohamed_> bashing my release is 16.04
[19:55] <UbAh> Bashing-om, upgrading from server version 9.10 to 14.04
[19:56] <UbAh> we have some rails and perl rbs that we dont want to rewrite or break so they have asked if i can do an upgrade to get to the version we want
[19:56] <Bashing-om> mohamed_: In the case of bios, that has little to do with the operating system . I can not advise on bios matters as each and every manufacture implements different .
[19:56] <nacc> UbAh: ... 9.10 is so past eol
[19:56] <UbAh> yes I know
[19:56] <UbAh> nacc,
[19:57] <UbAh> trying to rectify that
[19:58] <mohamed_> bashing-om but the issu start after i install ubuntu
[19:58] <UbAh> mohamed_, I came after you stated it, but what is the issue?
[19:58] <Bashing-om> UbAh: In all honesty, not like to sycceed . Too mcuh has changed since release 9.10 .. and will be a long hard road to get to 14.04. path 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 12.04 0> 14.04 .. all in between are EOL .
[19:59] <Bashing-om> !eol | UbAh
[20:00] <mohamed_> upah after i install ubuntu 16.04 i can't enter to bios now
[20:00] <UbAh> mohamed_, you cant hit the key to bring up the bios?
[20:00] <TJ-> UbAh: Would you be able to migrate your 9.10 root fs into a container, or virtualise it so the host is on LTS ?
[20:01] <nacc> UbAh: it seems *way* easier to just backup your 9.10 system, then reinstall
[20:01] <nacc> UbAh: upgrading is really just going to be hard to do
[20:01] <mohamed_> yes i cant
[20:01] <TJ-> UbAh: is the aim to preserve compatibility in 9.10, or obtain compatibility with 14.04 ? Your comment was unclear to me
[20:02] <UbAh> TJ-, part of this is to harden against things like meltdown/spectre and from my reading even the vm in a hardened server is vulnerable
[20:02] <ioria> mohamed_, did you install in uefi  mode or legacy bios/csm ?   dual boot or sigle boot ?
[20:03] <mohamed_> i instalid in singl boot
[20:03] <ioria> mohamed_, uefi  mode or legacy bios/csm ?
[20:03] <xfceone> may be uefi
[20:03] <TJ-> UbAh: if you're not reliant on the kernel version in your applications then containerising it would be an option, then you could have the host on 16.04 with HWE kernel
[20:03] <degenerate> Can someone tell me what these commands do:
[20:03] <degenerate> https://i.imgur.com/G5RXLyo.png
[20:04] <ori_> hello
[20:04] <ori_> anyone here
[20:05] <UbAh> nacc, TJ-, the team behind the code base is no longer around so I was asked to see if I can find a route to upgrade to an LTS version.  There is a worry about trying to recreate all the rail/ruby perl rbs and other lib things
[20:05] <mohamed_> i don't remamber
[20:05] <ori_> anyone can help me??
[20:05] <ioria> mohamed_, and what you had on that pc before and installed in what mode ?
[20:05] <mohamed_> windows 7
[20:05] <TJ-> UbAh: so containerise it and it stays unchanged but runs on a supported/patched kernel
[20:05] <nacc> UbAh: i mean, your code either works or doesn't in 14.04, right?
[20:05] <ori_> i have a galaxy tab 3 10.1 and i dont know if i can install any kind of linux or ubuntu on it is it possible
[20:05] <oerheks> degenerate, that blacklists nouveau completely, properly
[20:06] <ori_> ??
[20:06] <degenerate> uhhhh what is nouveau ?
[20:06] <UbAh> TJ-, upgrade the kernel in the vm too?
[20:06] <nacc> degenerate: open source nvidia driver
[20:06] <TJ-> UbAh: there would be no VM, containerise not virtualise
[20:06] <degenerate> ohh kk
[20:06] <UbAh> ohh
[20:06] <UbAh> ok
[20:06] <degenerate> thnks
[20:06] <ori_> Ubah']
[20:06] <TJ-> UbAh:  as in LXD https://www.ubuntu.com/containers/lxd
[20:06] <ori_> can you help me
[20:06] <ioria> mohamed_, ok, there is 1% possibility that you hit a firmware bug ('cause win7 might be installed in legacy mode) : read this : https://askubuntu.com/questions/918080/installed-ubuntu-in-bios-mode-cant-access-bios-anymore
[20:06] <oerheks> ori_, maybe ubuntu phone project
[20:06] <ori_> IORIA CAN U PLZ HELP ME?!?!?!
[20:07] <ori_> oh
[20:07] <ori_> how to get it
[20:07] <oerheks> !phone
[20:07] <ori_> yes but i cant find a download
[20:07] <oerheks> ask them, i am not up2date about devices
[20:07] <ori_> ask who
[20:07] <ori_> O_O
[20:08] <UbAh> thanks TJ- I am switching my thinking and exploring this
[20:08] <nacc> ori_: read the faq from ubottu
[20:10] <ducasse> ori_: try #ubports
[20:10] <ori_> ok
[20:10] <oerheks> i think ubuntu-touch redirects to ubports iirc
[20:11] <s10gopal> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104737 please help me
[20:11] <nacc> s10gopal: stop spamming the channel
[20:12] <nacc> s10gopal: you need to wait for upstream to help you
[20:12] <s10gopal> sorry
[20:14] <Jordan_U> s10gopal: Have you added "amdgpu.si_support=1 radeon.si_support=0" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub yet, as suggested by the last comment on that bug report?
[20:14] <s10gopal> how ?
[20:15] <xlmnxp> Hello
[20:15] <s10gopal> please guide me
[20:15] <TJ-> s10gopal: Bas has told you what the fix is so you can test it. "echo 'blacklist radeon' | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-radeon.conf"
[20:15] <xlmnxp> how to change dot to left in gnome?
[20:15] <mohamed_> ioria it's the same problem but the sulotion is for disktop pc and i hav laptop but i will turn off the pc and try t unplug the ram and see
[20:15] <xlmnxp> file:///home/xlmnxp/Pictures/%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%A9%20%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%A9%20%D9%85%D9%86%202018-01-22%2023-15-32.png
[20:15] <mohamed_> ty all i hop it will work
[20:15] <s10gopal> TJ-: done
[20:16] <ioria> mohamed_, pay attention, then
[20:16] <s10gopal> now?
[20:16] <TJ-> s10gopal: then "sudo sed -i 's/\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="\)/\1amdgpu.si_support=1 radeon.si_support=0 /' /etc/default/grub "
[20:16] <xlmnxp> https://i.imgur.com/hfDXjwU.png
[20:16] <s10gopal> TJ-: done
[20:16] <xlmnxp> anyone can help me?
[20:16] <xlmnxp> please
[20:16] <TJ-> s10gopal: then  "pastebinit /etc/default/grub"
[20:17] <xlmnxp> @TJ_
[20:17] <xlmnxp> TJ-
[20:18] <xlmnxp> !
[20:18] <xlmnxp> `
[20:18] <xlmnxp> `
[20:18] <xlmnxp> `
[20:18] <xlmnxp> `
[20:18] <xlmnxp> `
[20:18] <s10gopal> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26439811/
[20:19] <nacc> xlmnxp: please don't spam the channel, it's very rude
[20:19] <TJ-> s10gopal: looks good :) now do "sudo update-grub" then reboot and we'll check amdgpu has the GPU finally!
[20:19] <s10gopal> TJ-:  Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[20:19] <leftyfb> xlmnxp: you find the name of the program/applet you're using to select the keyboard/language, find it's main code repository, modify the code to your liking, compile and install on your machine
[20:20] <s10gopal> TJ-: reboot?
[20:20] <TJ-> s10gopal: don't worry about the warning. Yes, reboot and test
[20:22] <dingir> hi
[20:22] <dingir> how do i add a command to be run at startup of gnome
[20:22] <dingir> like a file in /home/ folder or something i can edit and add a command
[20:22] <gopal> TJ-: Kernel driver in use: amdgpu
[20:22] <TJ-> gopal: RESULT!!
[20:23] <TJ-> gopal: have you also got your pretty icon? :D
[20:23] <gopal> TJ-: but still i cant see amd gui
[20:23] <TJ-> gopal: well, I don't know about that part!
[20:23] <gopal> i need to install other amd things?
[20:23] <leftyfb> dingir: have you looked at the "Startup applications" program?
[20:23] <gopal> and how to switch ?
[20:24] <TJ-> gopal: I have no idea!
[20:25] <gopal> can you please explain me what you did ? so i can note it down and use in future
[20:25] <ioria> gopal, there no 'other amd thing' .... and excuse my ignorance, i never heard (after fglrx)  of an 'amd gui'   ... please explain how it is ?
[20:25] <gopal> good , thx for help
[20:26] <dingir> leftyfb nope
[20:26] <dingir> i want to edit manuallyh..
[20:26] <dingir> i forgot how
[20:26] <gopal> TJ-: can you please explain me what you did ? so i can note it down and use in future
[20:27] <ioria> gopal, there is no catalyst or amd control  center after 14.04
[20:27] <Guest67275> hi
[20:27] <Guest67275> i have a problen
[20:27] <jimb_> !ask
[20:27] <gopal> ioria: TJ-: can you please explain me what you did ? so i can note it down and use in future
[20:27] <Guest67275> ubuntu mate does not run in virtualbox
[20:28] <TJ-> gopal: you added module parameters to the kernel command-line to stop radeon binding the GPU and tell amdgpu to bind to it
[20:28] <gopal> TJ-: please tell me those commands again and i will note them down
[20:28] <gopal> please
[20:28] <ioria> gopal,  what is this 'amd gui' ?
[20:28] <Guest67275> maybe its related to the last version of virtualbox?
[20:28] <TJ-> s10gopal: then "sudo sed -i 's/\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="\)/\1amdgpu.si_support=1 radeon.si_support=0 /' /etc/default/grub "
[20:28] <gopal> line in windows we get
[20:29] <akik> Guest67275: mate actually runs better than unity or gnome in virtualbox
[20:29] <brainwash> gopal: AMD is lazy and does not give us linux users a settings GUI
[20:30] <Kris12345> Hello everyone!
[20:30] <Guest67275> it used to run very well but suddendly fails
[20:30] <Kris12345> Has anyone here successfully gotten a Cisco vWLC running on Ubuntu?
[20:31] <gopal> TJ: thank you very much , how to see which gfx i am using ?
[20:31] <akik> !details | Guest67275
[20:33] <Faux> https://b.goeswhere.com/gedit-redraw-fail.mp4 gedit's just totally given up on redrawing for me. Anyone able to find a bug report? I can't think what'd be weird enough about my setup to have broken it. 17.10, nvidia-binary, i3wm (compositing or no), machine has been continually upgraded for years.
[20:34] <TJ-> gopal: I'd have thought 'xrandr' but I've stayed away from hybrid so not sure - someone else may know
[20:35] <gopal> TJ: how you installed amd framework ?
[20:35] <TJ-> gopal: I haven't
[20:35] <gopal> TJ-: git command
[20:35] <Quenz> Bashing-om No worries. Sorry for diappearing on you, too. I think my wifi had a hiccup.
[20:35] <xlmnxp> anyone
[20:35] <xlmnxp> please I need help
[20:36] <xlmnxp> https://i.imgur.com/hfDXjwU.png
[20:36] <ioria> gopal, you know that amd proprietary it's not supported anymore on linux ?
[20:36] <Quenz> xlmnxp What's the issue?
[20:36] <gopal> no
[20:37] <Quenz> Oh, never mind I see.
[20:37] <ioria> gopal, now you know
[20:37] <gopal> yes
[20:37] <gopal> thx
[20:37] <nacc> xlmnxp: i believe you were told how to do what you wanted
[20:38] <akik> nacc: compiling code by users is now the preferred way?
[20:39] <gopal> thx for help
[20:40] <elias_a> I have an old Ubuntu installation on a HDD in a dock and can access the files. How can I tell when it was last used? Which logfiles do also have yearstamps in addition to time&date?
[20:41] <ioria> last
[20:41] <nacc> akik: well, i'm assuming it's not something you can configure
[20:41] <nacc> akik: arrow over dot
[20:42] <jimb_> elias_a, That command from ioria was for you... `last`
[20:45] <EriC^^> elias_a: did you mount it already?
[20:45] <nacc> akik: youre right, though, i probably should have done ore due diligence before that
[20:45] <EriC^^> elias_a: /var/log/syslog should have info about the last boot it made
[20:46] <elias_a> Thanks, dudes!
[20:48] <elias_a> ioria: Does it work if I have not booted it - only mounted partitions?
[20:48] <ioria> elias_a, nope, i thionk you need chroot
[20:49] <elias_a> ioria: That's what I thought.
[20:49] <ioria> elias_a, maybe dmesg -T
[20:49] <Quenz> tatertots If you're still there, to remind you, last time I was here, with a fresh Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS install, I changed drivers to nvidia-340, clicked 'Apply changes' in the 'Additional Drivers' window, got a system program problem dialogue (or something like that), was about to type 'inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit' for you, but had to leave. I turned the computer off. It's back on now. Same flashing text on boot issue. I hit ctrl+alt+F1 to shell
[20:49] <Quenz>  successfully. I typed your command, but it just gives me a flashing _ on the next line. It's been like that for a few minutes now.
[20:50] <elias_a> And EriC^^ : syslog contains only time&date, not year. :/
[20:50] <ioria> elias_a, sy, explore the dmesg.X.gz
[20:50] <ForeignImport> -
[20:50] <ioria> elias_a, you don't need chroot for that
[20:51] <elias_a> ioria: I actually found a log containing year info.
[20:51] <Quenz> If tatertots is not here, can anyone else help me with nvidia-340 not working correctly on Ubuntu LTS 16.04? I get flashing text on boot after selecting it. The open source driver works fine, but it's pretty slow.
[20:53] <ioria> Quenz, are you on   4.13.0.25.26 kernel ? uname -r
[20:53] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Lemme get caught up here and I get with you .
[20:54] <Quenz> ioria 4.13.0-26-generic
[20:54] <memphisto> Quenz: boot to older kernel
[20:54] <Quenz> Okie dokie
[20:56] <beaver> nacc: i used the distribution xenial for my schroot, it's now ok
[20:56] <beaver> option -N is available
[20:57] <ioria> btw  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1742302
[21:07] <tatertots> Quenz: hi
[21:07] <tatertots> Quenz: you have completed the "fresh" install that you began last night? true or false
[21:08] <StephenLynx> this is funny, why would some applications need to have exclusive access to audio?
[21:08] <StephenLynx> same software works fine on ubuntu, using pulse audio. on centos, some stuff can't use audio if something else is using
[21:08] <StephenLynx> and if they start using it, nothing else can.
[21:09] <TJ-> StephenLynx: that'll be software using the ALSA layer
[21:10] <Quenz> tatertots true
[21:10] <StephenLynx> and why they work fine on ubuntu but not on centos?
[21:10] <StephenLynx> same software.
[21:11] <StephenLynx> I even added the simultaneous output virtual device using paprefs
[21:11] <TJ-> StephenLynx: different configuration/package versions/etc
[21:11] <StephenLynx> i know, any idea what configuration might be? I know centos isn't focused on desktop, which makes it a pain in the ass sometimes
[21:12] <StephenLynx> but I'm seeing a solution here, since it works on ubuntu
[21:12] <TJ-> StephenLynx: no, you'd have to ask CentOS folks
[21:12] <StephenLynx> any pointer on what to ask?
[21:12] <StephenLynx> their irc isn't nearly as useful as ubuntu's
[21:12] <StephenLynx> nor populated
[21:18] <Quenz> memphisto I can't seem to get to boot options. How do I change to a different kernel?
[21:20] <billythekido> Hi guys. I just tried to update to the latest kernel that Ubuntu pushed to 17.10 and the update got stuck.
[21:20] <billythekido> run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 4.13.0-31-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-31-generic
[21:20] <billythekido> Progress: [ 65%]
[21:21] <billythekido> anyone could advise?
[21:21] <SimonNL> Quenz: hold down left shift during boot from the moment you press power button till you see  "Entering Grub" appear in top left corner of the screen
[21:23] <TJ-> Quenz: SimonNL GRUB uses Escape key detection now, because when on EFI it can't read the state of the  Shift/Ctrl/Alt I/O register bits
[21:23] <SimonNL> oops
[21:23] <SimonNL> I'm on old version
[21:23] <SimonNL> derivative
[21:26] <Quenz> SimonNL I'm in the GRUB bash now.
[21:27] <Quenz> That's what happened when I held down esc
[21:27] <SimonNL> with my limited knowledge I would say thats the wrong place, should be grub menu
[21:28] <nacc> billythekido: it might take a while for dkms to finish (are you sure it's stuck?)
[21:28] <Quenz> Yeah I thought so too
[21:28] <Quenz> Imma try again
[21:28] <billythekido> nacc: yes definitely :(
[21:29] <billythekido> I stopped it, dpkg --configure -a and wait again
[21:30] <billythekido> I don't see also any utilization on cpus from apt or other apps
[21:31] <TJ-> Quenz: you have to repeatedly tap Escape not hold it down
[21:31] <nacc> billythekido: hrm
[21:31] <billythekido> can you tell if it actually half-installed/configured the kernel based on what I posted? At this point I don't know if I'm going to boot on restart
[21:31] <nacc> billythekido: you wouldn't see it from apt, you'd see it from dkms
[21:31] <TJ-> Quenz: because GRUB has to detect a key-press event, unlike with the Shift/Ctrl/Alt method which stores current position in bit falgs
[21:31] <Quenz> Booting to 4.10.0-28-generic now
[21:32] <nacc> billythekido: well, you only pasted that you ^C'd it :)
[21:33] <Quenz> Same flashing screen at boot error
[21:33] <billythekido> nacc: https://pastebin.com/HfV2cvzW thanks for helping :)
[21:34] <billythekido> nacc: I see to dkms processes running at the same time
[21:35] <billythekido> none of them seem to have any cpu util
[21:35] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic artful
[21:35] <nacc> billythekido: you'll see dkms and then it iwll have spawned some cc/ or gcc
[21:35] <nacc> billythekido: i'd look in pstree
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Quenz: That 4.10 kernel os EOL .. we need to get you off of it . now do we revert to xenial or upgrade to artful ?
[21:37] <billythekido> nacc: I'm a bit of a noob. With ps I can definitely tell that the first dkms runs since the earlier try.
[21:38] <billythekido> on pstree I see: "|-dpkg---linux-headers-4---run-parts---dkms_autoinstal---plymouth" and "-dpkg---linux-headers-4---run-parts---dkms_autoinstal---plymouth"
[21:39] <nacc> ugh
[21:39] <nacc> TJ-: didn't you see something with plymouth hanging recently?
[21:39] <nacc> billythekido: let me check my logs
[21:39] <TJ-> nacc: hmmm, so many issues, so little memory! I /think/ so but I'd have to grep logs
[21:40] <nacc> billythekido: TJ-: maybe LP: #1705345
[21:40] <TJ-> nacc: ha, well, I found an issue I dealt with in 2015 :p
[21:41] <nacc> lol
[21:41] <TJ-> might be this:
[21:41] <billythekido> nacc: I see 2 plymouth with --ping, 1 in quit, 1 in --wait
[21:41] <TJ-> 2017-12-28 20:23:46     TJ-     garrettkajmowicz: this sounds like an issue where plymouth 'steals'/keeps the console input when it should be released
[21:41] <billythekido> they are having a party
[21:42] <billythekido> is not it an issue that currently I'm also running 2 "dkms_autoinstaller start 4.13.0-31-generic" ?
[21:42] <Quenz> Bashing-om Some other people told me to switch to a different kernel, that's why I'm in that.
[21:42] <nacc> yeah, i believe the workaround is to kill plymouth, but i'm not sure if that works or not
[21:42] <billythekido> should I kill the latest dkms_autoinstaller?
[21:43] <billythekido> (in addition to the plymouths)
[21:43] <nacc> billythekido: i would just kill plymouth first and see what happens
[21:43] <Quenz> Bashing-om Want me to boot in to default Linux 4.13.0-26-generic?
[21:43] <billythekido> nacc: cool fingers crossed
[21:43] <Enumeration> I am very dumb can someone help me with systemd
[21:43] <nacc> !ask | Enumeration
[21:44] <billythekido> nacc: wow the cpu is going nutts now
[21:44] <nacc> billythekido: that's probably good? :)
[21:44] <billythekido> defintely :)
[21:44] <nacc> billythekido: i'd subscribe tot hat bug
[21:44] <nacc> maybe say you hit it on a current release
[21:45] <billythekido> run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 4.13.0-31-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-31-generic Error! This module/version combo is already installed
[21:45] <billythekido> I assume because of the earlier kill
[21:45] <billythekido> or the two processes running at the same time...
[21:46] <jtreminio> Howdy y'all. Is there a built-in way to mirror a ppa to another ppa, while keeping previous releases?
[21:46] <billythekido> nacc: I have the feeling I stuck again. and I see a new plymouth in ping
[21:47] <SimonNL> Quenz: might be a good idea because that one is supported and patched
[21:47] <nacc> billythekido: yeah, you'll have to keep killing them
[21:47] <nacc> billythekido: i dont actually know the bug
[21:47] <billythekido> that I can do :)
[21:47] <nacc> (the cause of the bug, sorry)
[21:47] <nacc> jtreminio: 'mirror'?
[21:47] <billythekido> nacc: thanks a lot for helping me out of this :)
[21:47] <jtreminio> For example, I use a ppa that only keeps last version, removes others as soon as they're added. ie 7.1.1 is added, he removes 7.1.0
[21:48] <tatertots> Quenz: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[21:48] <nacc> jtreminio: only a few builds are kept (possibly the last version) in PPAs
[21:49] <tatertots> Quenz: that's what you were supposed to complete prior to going to bed last night.
[21:49] <billythekido> nacc: it seems successful. I'll reboot and hope for the best
[21:49] <nacc> billythekido: cool!
[21:49] <billythekido> nacc: what info do I gather to report?
[21:49] <jtreminio> nacc: aha, I see
[21:49] <nacc> billythekido: i would just put what package was hanging in the logs
[21:49] <jtreminio> So if I want to keep an archived mirror I need to keep it off of launchpad?
[21:50] <nacc> jtreminio: you want to keep old (unsupported even by the ppa owner) versions?
[21:50] <nacc> jtreminio: is there a reason?
[21:50] <billythekido> nacc: ok buddy thanks a lot!
[21:50] <nacc> billythekido: np, gl!
[21:51] <jtreminio> nacc: say prod hasn't been upgraded to latest minor.minor release, but a dev needs to spin up a local VM that matches prod ... unless you've been generating VM images and storing them anything new will not match
[21:51] <tatertots> Quenz: but it's possible i could have mixed you up with another human.
[21:52] <dunlikemynamehuh> every time I log in here, my name is rejected
[21:53] <ginseng> I have an encrypted home directory on ubuntu 16.04. I run into issues with shutting down the computer --- it hangs indefinitely if i shutdown through desktop or cli as normal user, only works if i su root and then shutdown. Logs: https://pastebin.com/ehvD6zyC
[21:53] <dunlikemynamehuh> is there something wrong with this channel or freenode?
[21:53] <nacc> jtreminio: so ... your production servier is using a ppa :-P
[21:53] <ginseng> Any ideas?
[21:53] <Quenz> tatertots I tried that when I got on today, but it just produces a flashing _ on the next line
[21:53] <nacc> jtreminio: PPAs are not a deployment mechanism
[21:53] <nacc> jtreminio: esp. if you want reproducibility; you don't control the PPA at all
[21:54] <jtreminio> nacc: this particular ppa is from a trusted source, but I see your point
[21:54] <TJ-> ginseng: those logs are not referring to encrypted home directory, they're referring to a bad/missing encrypted swap device
[21:54] <tatertots> Quenz: hmmm okay that would suggest that you have taken more actions without oversight after that "fresh" install...my gut says it ain't so "fresh" anymore..but that's not important
[21:54] <billythekido> nacc: worked! do you have a "buy me a beer" button? :)
[21:55] <Quenz> tatertots https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440380
[21:55] <ginseng> TJ-: ok i will try to find appropriate logs
[21:55] <Quenz> It worked this time
[21:55] <nacc> jtreminio: yeah, I just don't think it's an operational model
[21:55] <nacc> jtreminio: but you might ask in #launchpad if there is anything for it
[21:55] <Quenz> Oops wrong link
[21:55] <TJ-> ginseng: check the UUIDs in /etc/crypttab for the cryptswap device
[21:56] <Quenz> tatertots https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440280
[21:56] <nacc> billythekido: not necessary at all, glad to help
[21:56] <billythekido> nacc: thanks so much mate :)
[21:56] <nacc> billythekido: yw!
[21:57] <tatertots> Quenz: thank you
[21:57] <tatertots> Quenz: i see you are            tty size: 160x50 Advanced Data: N/A out of X
[21:57] <tatertots> Quenz: humans usually aren't very happy in that circumstance.
[21:57] <michael2> hi all. Im currently on a live USB 16.04. and I would like to mount my home directory on my main hard disk. it is encrypted with ecryptFS. is this possible?
[21:58] <jtreminio> Thanks nacc
[21:59] <michael2> or to put it another way. I want to access my eCryptFS encrypted files from the LiveUSB
[22:01] <ginseng> TJ-: ok, so my crypttab has 3 lines, and after checking lsblk -f, only 1 of those three devices exists. the other two must be swapspaces from old partitions i deleted
[22:01] <ginseng> is it safe to just remove to those 2 lines from crypttab?
[22:02] <TJ-> ginseng: are they all for 'swap' devices ?
[22:03] <TJ-> ginseng: compare the UUIDs in that file with your error log - remove those that are mentioned in the error log if those devices don't exist
[22:03] <Quenz> tatertots Where does that leave me?
[22:04] <ginseng> TJ-: yeah all swap devices
[22:04] <rainbow> hello
[22:04] <tatertots> Quenz: standby
[22:05] <jtreminio> Where can I find information on what version of a package will come with 18.04?
[22:05] <michael2> packages.ubuntu.com
[22:06] <nacc> jtreminio: "will come"? ... hard to answer, also #ubuntu+1
[22:06] <TJ-> jtreminio: until feature-freeze the versions may change
[22:06] <jtreminio> ah! I thought feature freeze had already passed
[22:06] <nacc> jtreminio: still a month away
[22:07] <Budgii> Hi, does anyone know what 'aptitude' is in Linux? See comment context; https://www.reddit.com/r/osbuddy/comments/5vohnj/couldnt_launch_osbuddy_null_linux/
[22:07] <TheMontyChrist> how to get a list of packages that need upgrading?
[22:07] <nacc> Budgii: it's an alternative frontend to dpkg
[22:07] <nacc> Budgii: like apt, apt-get, synaptic, etc.
[22:07] <TheMontyChrist> I want to cherry pick which package gets upgraded
[22:08] <nacc> TheMontyChrist: try an upgrade and it will prompt you , but by default (it = apt)
[22:08] <Budgii> nacc: when it says "Just replace aptitude with the package manager of your distro, if you're not on Debian or any of its derivatives." what does this mean?
[22:08] <nacc> Budgii: are you on Ubuntu?
[22:08] <Budgii> Yes.
[22:08] <nacc> Budgii: then you are on "Debian or any of its derivatives"
[22:08] <Budgii> Would I just do Sudo osbuddy.jar?
[22:09] <nacc> Budgii: so the erlier clause does not apply
[22:09] <Budgii> Ok.
[22:09] <nacc> Budgii: you follow the directions in the link from there
[22:10] <Budgii> I don't understand it
[22:10] <rainbow> how can i make an own channel?
[22:10] <nacc> Budgii: what don't you understand, specifically?
[22:10] <Budgii> This: "Just replace aptitude with the package manager of your distro, if you're not on Debian or any of its derivatives."
[22:10] <nacc> rainbow: just join the channel and it will autocreate, iirc, but not an ubuntu topic
[22:11] <milpool> hi. maybe i'm not the only one with this problem: my whole machine freezes when i start a vm in virtualbox. ubuntu 16.4.. anyone know this problem? started happening a week ago
[22:11] <nacc> Budgii: ok, you're on Debian or any of its derivatives
[22:11] <nacc> Budgii: so you don't replace aptitude with dnf, or whatever
[22:11] <nacc> Budgii: did you maybe forget to click the link?
[22:11] <Budgii> See I am not sure what you mean by link, lol
[22:12] <nacc> Budgii: you pointed at https://www.reddit.com/r/osbuddy/comments/5vohnj/couldnt_launch_osbuddy_null_linux/
[22:12] <nacc> Budgii: svga's comment starts with a link
[22:12] <nacc> Budgii: "Try this, it worked for me" is the text
[22:12] <Budgii> Ohh! i thought that was the title. Thanks for pointing that out, i'll go read now!
[22:13] <nacc> Budgii: right :)
[22:13] <jimb_> off-topic: hi Budgii ! Can't help right now, wanted to say Hi though... willing to take the lashings from ops :)
[22:13] <rainbow> can someone try to Connect to channel MyOwnRainbow?
[22:13] <nacc> rainbow: ... still offtopic
[22:14] <oerheks> rainbow, that is considered as spam, from an unregistered user, please don't
[22:15] <tatertots> Quenz: cat /var/log/apport.log|pastebinit
[22:15] <nacc> tatertots: pastebinit /var/log/apport.log :)
[22:15] <tatertots> Quenz: might put sudo in front if it gives you issues
[22:15] <tatertots> nacc: :)
[22:15] <nacc> tatertots: and if you use sudo, I believe you need to use tee correctly
[22:16] <tatertots> nacc: let's just let "nature" run it's course
[22:16] <ubantoo> i can see my gpus listed in lspci but when i run nvidia-settings none of them are displayed there. also heaven benchmark is running at 15 fps instead of 90 fps+
[22:16] <TJ-> nacc: no tee needed when te sudo is on left side of pipe :)
[22:16] <nacc> TJ-: oh right, of course
[22:16] <tatertots> nacc: else in 50 years well be talking about "top soil regeneration"
[22:18] <Budgii> nacc, the link worked out for me. Thanks again for pointing it out!
[22:18] <rek> hi babies.... i installed the nvidia driver then all my system gained such a poor performance... ubby 16.0.4 lts what could i do?
[22:20] <oerheks> sounds like nouveau is really good?
[22:20] <oerheks> i have no babies.
[22:21] <Quenz> tatertots document empty
[22:23] <tatertots> Quenz: journalctl -p 4|pastebinit
[22:24] <nacc> Budgii: yw
[22:26] <rek> hi guys i have low performance
[22:26] <Quenz> tatertots Failed to contact the server. I pinged google after that though, so I do have a connection.
[22:26] <tatertots> Quenz: journalctl -p 4|nc termbin.com 9999
[22:27] <Quenz> http://termbin.com/d2wg tatertots
[22:29] <tatertots> Quenz: journalctl -p 3|nc termbin.com 9999
[22:29] <Quenz> http://termbin.com/yjab tatertots
[22:29] <tatertots> Quenz: standby
[22:29] <tatertots> Quenz: i feel like we've met before...
[22:29] <tatertots> Quenz: do i know you?
[22:29] <memphisto> you are on macbook pro with linux?
[22:29] <mustmodify> I got a four-pem certificate chain. But I don't know the right order. Is there an easy way to test to see if one certificate is a child of another?
[22:29] <tatertots> Quenz: Jan 23 09:18:55 baz-MacBookPro gnome-session-binary[2157]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry....
[22:29] <Quenz> tatertots Yes, you've been with me the past few days
[22:29] <Quenz> memphisto yes
[22:30] <memphisto> why?
[22:30] <Cu5tosLimen> hi
[22:30] <memphisto> macos not good enough ?
[22:30] <nacc> memphisto: not relevant in this channel
[22:30] <Cu5tosLimen> I upgraded ubuntu but now my monospace font is different: before: https://i.imgur.com/6S8U7dE.png after: https://i.imgur.com/H7sLBVr.png
[22:30] <Cu5tosLimen> any ideas what the old font was?
[22:30] <Cu5tosLimen> it is set to monospace
[22:30] <Quenz> memphisto mostly yeah. Support ends 2019.
[22:31] <tatertots> Quenz: standby...must search memory banks for your health
[22:31] <Quenz> It's an old 2009 one.
[22:32] <tatertots> Quenz: feels like deja vu almost
[22:32] <Quenz> So I want to get Ubuntu running well on it before support for Mac OS ends.
[22:32] <tatertots> Quenz: didn't this same exact thing occur within the last 48 hours? yes or no
[22:33] <Quenz> tatertots yes
[22:33] <tatertots> Quenz: it's possible it was another human that i was helping and i have mixed them up
[22:34] <Quenz> tatertots Still the same core issue since a few days ago of flashing text on boot when using proprietary nvidia-340 driver.
[22:38] <tatertots> Quenz: I have made no mistake....it is YOU...http://termbin.com/5pv5
[22:38] <tatertots> Quenz: i reminded you the other day that i would always help you with the limitation being "repeating the same thing(s) while expecting different results"
[22:38] <Quenz> tatertots I'm happy to try anything different
[22:38] <tatertots> Quenz: my creator has programed me against this ability
[22:39] <Quenz> Okay :P
[22:41] <new_user123> hi guys
[22:41] <new_user123> I'm trying to pin the kernel from trusty, because I need the kernel 3.13
[22:42] <new_user123> how do I go about it?
[22:42] <nacc> new_user123: you are on trusty?
[22:43] <new_user123> no
[22:43] <new_user123> i'm on artful
[22:43] <memphisto> maybe trying : sudo apt-mark hold  kernel 3.13 or something
[22:43] <new_user123> here is my /etc/apt/preference http://termbin.com/p66t
[22:43] <nacc> new_user123: then no, don't do that
[22:43] <nacc> new_user123: if you need trusty's kernel, use a VM
[22:43] <new_user123> memphisto, ty, i'll try that. brb
[22:43] <tatertots> Quenz: yesterday i discussed a plan with you, and you either forgot the plan or something, but in any event you failed to execute
[22:44] <Quenz> Alright then
[22:44] <nacc> memphisto: please don't suggest such things
[22:44] <nacc> totally unsupported
[22:44] <ahmad> hey new
[22:44] <tatertots> Quenz: at this point you don't have a lot of other options but to do exactly as i said "verbatim"
[22:44] <new_user123> memphisto, sholud it be sudo apt-mark hold linux-image-3.13 ?
[22:45] <new_user123> btw, I don't have 3.13 installed atm
[22:45] <tatertots> Quenz: any deviation from the plan will result in a loop of failure...trust me
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: no, it wouldn't and no, you wouldn't have
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: so, again, don't do that
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: why do you need the 14.04.1 kernel?
[22:45] <tatertots> Quenz: search your feelings...you know i'm telling you the truth
[22:45] <Quenz> I guess I forgot the exact plan
[22:45] <new_user123> nacc, i don't understand your advice. I need 3.13 because newer kernels don't support my graphics card properly.
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: then you need 14.04, not just hte kernel
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: so reinstall 14.04
[22:45] <Quenz> You're saying if we go around in circles we won't get anywhere, I understand
[22:46] <new_user123> nacc, no, I don't need 14.04, it's too old. Most packages have not been updated since 2014
[22:46] <nacc> new_user123: ... well, it came out in 2014, so of course
[22:46] <new_user123> so, how do I pin the kernel to trusty?
[22:46] <nacc> new_user123: look, you have two options, 1) install 14.04; or 2) run a newer kernel
[22:46] <nacc> new_user123: running the trusty kernel on non-trusty is not supported
[22:47] <nacc> and you should *not* do it.
[22:47] <new_user123> nacc, i'm okay with that, already tried it out
[22:47] <nacc> new_user123: with what?
[22:47] <new_user123> nacc, with the way 3.13 functions with artful.
[22:47] <tatertots> Quenz: i need to be clear this time around...if you deviate from design at all...you will fail..and fail "infinity"...do you understand?
[22:47] <new_user123> nacc,  2) is not an option, my screen is borked
[22:49] <new_user123> okay, anyway, supposing it was a different situation and I was asking how to get the artful kernel on 14.04
[22:50] <new_user123> how do I go about it?
[22:50] <Quenz> tatertots I've been trying to follow you as best I can. If you're sick of trying to help me, that's totally fine. If you want to keep trying to help me, that's fine too.
[22:51] <new_user123> memphisto, it didn't work... Could you please elaborate on that command?
[22:51] <memphisto> https://askubuntu.com/questions/678630/how-can-i-avoid-kernel-updates
[22:54] <new_user123> memphisto, am I right I first need to install that kernel?
[22:54] <memphisto> yes, but i don't know if you have it in the repos now
[22:54] <memphisto> maybe you ll need to get it from somewhere else
[22:55] <new_user123> memphisto, i have added trusty repos in the sources
[22:55] <memphisto> dont remove the current kernels
[22:55] <memphisto> just in case
[22:56] <memphisto> and do backup :)
[22:57] <new_user123> memphisto, I don't like the output... http://okturing.com/src/2054/body
[22:57] <nacc> new_user123: aloso not supported
[22:58] <nacc> new_user123: please stop asking for such terrible combinations
[22:58] <nacc> new_user123: if you need an old kernel to use your display which would imply it's an old display device, then use an old release
[22:58] <nacc> new_user123: 14.04 is supported until 2019
[22:58] <nacc> new_user123: you do not mix distributions, as it tends to break things
[22:59] <metastable> s/tends to//
[22:59] <new_user123> nacc, it's a new display device.
[22:59] <memphisto> he speaks the truth
[22:59] <memphisto> it all looks fine
[22:59] <nacc> memphisto: right
[22:59] <subcool> Ok,. whats the deal. Kwin_x11 and plasmashell and eating all my memory
[23:00] <memphisto> do install linux-source-3.13.0 linux-tools
[23:00] <memphisto> you might need to build some kernel modules
[23:00] <subcool> memphisto, was that to me?
[23:00] <memphisto> oh sorry it was for new_user123
[23:00] <subcool> kk.. just making sure.. its ok.
[23:02] <nacc> new_user123: maybe rather than doing totally insane things like trying to run a trusty kernel on 17.10, tell us what is wrong with your device with 17.10?
[23:02] <tatertots> Quenz: not sick of you my friend..just trying to establish "effective" communication to lower the statical odds of communication failure(s).
[23:02] <mr3_j0hn> hello
[23:02] <Budgii> Hello.
[23:02] <new_user123> nacc, sides of my screen are cut off.
[23:02] <new_user123> nacc, 100px left and 100px right
[23:03] <tatertots> Quenz: because i believe what we had yesterday when you failed to execute my plan can be classified as a "communication failure"
[23:03] <new_user123> memphisto, http://okturing.com/src/2055/body doesn't look too good... Btw, at this moment I only have trusty repos in my sources
[23:04] <memphisto> new_user123: didn't put * after the kernel version
[23:05] <memphisto> or exact versoin of the kernel youve installed
[23:05] <tatertots> Quenz: now you know where you stand and your fate and future
[23:05] <new_user123> memphisto, i've only installed 4.4
[23:05] <nacc> new_user123: what?? you were on 17.10 and switched to trusty sources??
[23:05] <nacc> new_user123: and 4.4 is not 17.10 anyways
[23:05] <Quenz> tatertots I'm not exactly sure what that means.
[23:06] <pirx> i have a service running which has "ulimit -n 5120" set in its startup-script. but when i check /proc/<pid>/limits for that process, it has max open files set to 1048576. how can this be?
[23:06] <memphisto> it means marihuana
[23:06] <new_user123> nacc, okay, it's 4.13
[23:06] <new_user123> sudo apt install linux-image-4.10.0-27-generic
[23:06] <nacc> new_user123: what??
[23:06] <nacc> new_user123: you are doing some seriously wrong things, please stop.
[23:06] <nacc> new_user123: if you are on 4.13, don't install the 4.10 kernel
[23:06] <new_user123> sorry, wrong copy buffer... Linux pc 4.13.0-21
[23:06] <new_user123> nacc, i'm trying to install 3.13
[23:07] <nacc> new_user123: yes, and i've explained to you, no.
[23:07] <nacc> new_user123: don't do that.
[23:07] <new_user123> nacc, why? it works in chroot
[23:07] <nacc> new_user123: what do you mean it works in chroot? you don't run a different kernel in a chroot.
[23:08] <nacc> new_user123: and, tbh, if you don't see why you don't mix releases of ubuntu, especially the kernel, then you shouldn't be doing it for sure!
[23:08] <new_user123> chrooted system does. it has to, because the host has 3.13 and the chroot is artful
[23:08] <dev0drps> how do i register in the python group?
[23:09] <nacc> new_user123: you are not running a different kernel in a chroot
[23:09] <tatertots> Quenz: this is you 48 hours ago http://termbin.com/g584  this is you today http://termbin.com/yjab
[23:10] <new_user123> nacc, system that runs in chroot has to use the hosts kernel
[23:10] <new_user123> which happens to be 3.13
[23:10] <tatertots> Quenz: do you see any patterns?
[23:10] <new_user123> that is, on my old machine
[23:10] <nacc> new_user123: so you are claiming to be runnig an artful desktop in a  chroot on a 14.04 host?
[23:11] <tatertots> Quenz: i see a few
[23:12] <Quenz> tatertots Some similar errors, yeah. Like I said, we haven't really got anywhere so far.
[23:12] <new_user123> nacc, i was running it, yes. to be precise, it was an LXC container.
[23:12] <tatertots> Quenz: you should keep those links ....yes the two links above...I'd hate for some poor unsuspecting #Ubuntu helper to reinvent the wheel
[23:13] <Quenz> I will keep them
[23:13] <nacc> new_user123: a LXC container is not a chroot
[23:13] <nacc> new_user123: but whatever
[23:13] <nacc> new_user123: so you claim to be running an artful desktop in a LXC container?
[23:14] <new_user123> yes, what's wrong about that?
[23:14] <nacc> new_user123: then why do you need to do anything?
[23:15] <new_user123> nacc, because it's extremely awkward and time consuming to get the normal desktop experience
[23:18] <ca_cabotage> hey all, idk of a more specific place to ask this? trying to connect to lubuntu via xrdp from windows 10. It connects, and starts to load desktop - but then i get an error that says "due to protocol error the session will be disconnected" anyone know of xrdp troubleshooting advice?
[23:20] <Docfxit> Does anyone know the command syntax for rsync?  I have all the information to create it at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383068&p=13733102#post13733102
[23:21] <nacc> Docfxit: `man rsync` ?
[23:22] <Jordan_U> nacc: This channel will not support running an Artful desktop on a Trusty kernel. If you continue to waste people
[23:23] <nacc> Jordan_U: i assume for new_user123 ?
[23:23] <Jordan_U> nacc: ... waste people's time asking about it I will remove you from the channel.
[23:23] <Docfxit> nacc, I have seen the manual.  I need someone with a little expertise with rsync.
[23:23] <nacc> Docfxit: ok, what is your specific question?
[23:23] <Jordan_U> nacc: Yes, sorry.
[23:23] <nacc> Jordan_U: it's cool
[23:25] <Docfxit> nacc, I need someone to create the command line for the one example I have on the link I provided.  After that I can create all the other lines I need.
[23:27] <nacc> Docfxit: did you try it?
[23:27] <nacc> Docfxit: wait, what?, c#14
[23:27] <plut0> X stopped working for me, using nouveau with no xorg.conf. Here is the log, https://pastebin.com/Ba5kZvRT Any ideas?
[23:28] <Docfxit> nacc, Glad you saw post #14
[23:29] <nacc> Docfxit: so are trying to rsync from a local disk to two locations?
[23:30] <nacc> Docfxit: oh wait, no you are trying to rsync two locations to a single destination?
[23:33] <nacc> Docfxit: your c14 has three parameters to rsync
[23:33] <nacc> Docfxit: three path parameters
[23:35] <new_user_123> okay, I got a weird bug
[23:35] <new_user_123> sides of my screen are cut off
[23:35] <new_user_123> https://imgur.com/a/wmlAJ
[23:36] <new_user_123> first picture - the actual picture that I see. Second picture - the screenshot taken with scrot.
[23:36] <new_user_123> got a 1920x1080 resolution screen, radeon x1600pro graphics card
[23:36] <Bashing-om> plut0: What results in attempting a normal boot ?
[23:36] <Quenz> tatertots Still with me, or?
[23:37] <Jordan_U> new_user_123: Please pastebin the output of "lspci" to help us figure out exactly what graphics card you have.
[23:37] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, http://termbin.com/5lh6
[23:38] <new_user_123> maybe it's something with CRTC settins?
[23:38] <new_user_123> or can it be fixed somehow by or injecting an EDID or adding a modeline?
[23:38] <tatertots> Quenz: i'm here
[23:40] <Quenz> tatertots Next steps?
[23:40] <Jordan_U> new_user_123: Do you know how to select the Xorg rather than Wayland session at the login screen?
[23:40] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, no. It's lubuntu so I suppose I'm running X
[23:41] <Jordan_U> new_user_123: Indeed. Please pastebin the output of "xrandr".
[23:41] <new_user_123> http://termbin.com/uxnr
[23:42] <subcool> Ok,. whats the deal. Kwin_x11 and plasmashell and eating all my memory
[23:42] <nacc> subcool: are you running kubuntu? or did you install neon or something
[23:45] <Jordan_U> new_user_123: Can you tell if your screen is cut off when looking through the BIOS menus?
[23:45] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, got a pretty old bios version, it's not cut off but is 800x600 or something.
[23:46] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, however, the screen is indeed borked in grub menu already.
[23:46] <subcool> nacc, kubuntu. I just tried to run a VM, but- because soo much of my memory is being allocated, i cant even do that.
[23:47] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, and this issue is non existent in windows and linux with kernel <=3.13
[23:49] <nacc> new_user_123: that would imply not related to the kernel (grub isn't running your kernel yet)
[23:49] <new_user_123> nacc, then why dont I have this problem with kernel 3.13?
[23:50] <new_user_123> and any kernel older than 3.13
[23:50] <nacc> new_user_123: You have actively tested artful with a 3.13 host kernel? (not artful in a container or chroot on a trusty host)
[23:50] <nacc> new_user_123: afaict, you have not, so I think you need to check your assumptions
[23:51] <new_user_123> nacc, i gave up on the idea.
[23:51] <new_user_123> i have zero experience running an artful system with 3.13
[23:51] <new_user_123> (apart from chroot and containers)
[23:51] <nacc> new_user_123: so then you don't know at all what the root cause is
[23:51] <nacc> new_user_123: so let's drop that line of reasoning
[23:52] <new_user_123> nacc, but I do.
[23:52] <new_user_123> nacc, i don't have this issue on 14.04
[23:52] <new_user_123> with 3.13 kernel
[23:52] <TJ-> new_user_123: Try "xrandr --output VGA-0 --set underscan off"
[23:52] <new_user_123> neither do I have it on debian with 3.4 kernel
[23:52] <subcool> nacc, brb., i just killed it, and lost most of my desktop. i have to reboot
[23:53] <new_user_123> TJ-, http://okturing.com/src/2063/body
[23:53] <new_user_123> :(
[23:55] <tatertots> Quenz: did you download the ISO yet?
[23:56] <tatertots> Quenz: the one you thought you had high ground to turn your nose up at
[23:56] <Quenz> tatertots mint xfce
[23:56] <Quenz> ?
[23:56] <tatertots> Quenz: .....you're not on high ground anymore
[23:56] <Quenz> What are you talking about?
[23:57] <tatertots> Quenz: did you download the ISO yet?
[23:57] <Quenz> Yes
[23:57] <tatertots> Quenz: now you're going to install it
[23:57] <Quenz> Okay
[23:57] <subcool> k- back.
[23:58] <Quenz> I didn't turn my nose up at anything
[23:58] <subcool> Ok., whats the deal. Kwin and plasma shell are destroying my memory.