[00:00] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf Things should be good now.
[00:00] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> (manual.lubuntu.me)
[00:01] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> It now checks if the browser language matches a language we have a translation for, and if not, it redirects to English.
[00:06] -GitHub167:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNV1T
[00:06] -GitHub167:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 6a383d6 Simon Quigley: static should have an underscore.
[00:07] -GitHub145:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNV1m
[00:07] -GitHub145:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 07dfbca Simon Quigley: Rename the directory for the previous commit accordingly.
[00:07] -GitHub111:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 force-pushed master from 07dfbca to 6a383d6: https://git.io/vNV1Z
[00:14] <wxl[m]> Interestingly it downloads the php for me, at least on Firefox mobile
[00:15] <tsimonq2> That's *weird*
[00:15] <wxl[m]> Chrome too
[00:16] <tsimonq2> O_O
[00:16] <wxl[m]> Probably only works on Opera knowing Raf
[00:16] <tsimonq2> Ok
[00:16] <tsimonq2> Fixing
[00:16] <tsimonq2> hahahahahahahaahaha no it wfm
[00:16] <wxl[m]> Is it contained within HTML?
[00:16] <tsimonq2> No, a PHP file
[00:20] <wxl[m]> Put it in the index.html and I bet it works fine
[00:20] <wxl[m]> Like within html
[00:22] <tsimonq2> Yea no
[00:23] <krytarik> Works here too, though I didn't get redirected automatically.
[00:24] <wxl> yeah now just nothing
[00:25] <tsimonq2> Try now wxl
[00:25] <wxl> works
[00:25] <tsimonq2> yay
[00:26] <krytarik> Yep, too.
[00:26] <tsimonq2> Awesome.
[00:26] <wxl> good job
[00:26] <tsimonq2> Thanks, although it was just tricking nginx a bit. :P
[00:26] <wxl> so does this mean ianorlin is going to go crazy on the manual now? :)
[00:27] <tsimonq2> He totally could
[00:27] <tsimonq2> So I set it up that the server at manual.lubuntu.me updates every 30 mins
[00:27] <tsimonq2> We also have translations now
[00:27] <wxl> i saw that. thanks to our wonderful GCI students :)
[00:27] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:28] <tsimonq2> One thing I can't seem to figure out is doing something like using Git to find out when the file was last modified, and displaying that in the footer.
[00:29] -GitHub153:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNVDZ
[00:29] -GitHub153:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master fb3a5a6 Simon Quigley: Update specifics.
[00:33] -GitHub181:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNVDw
[00:33] -GitHub181:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 93b1662 Simon Quigley: Credit translators.
[00:42] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @MikolajczakMarcin So as I was saying before, everything should be set up now for the manual
[00:46] <tsimonq2> agaida, krytarik: ISOs rebuilding now after that seed change, let's see how things turn out.
[00:46] <agaida> i guess the background and the panel will remain in the same nice black :P
[00:47] <tsimonq2> agaida: What else do you think is wrong?
[00:47] <agaida> nothing
[00:47] <tsimonq2> Ok :P
[00:47] <agaida> but the expected outcome should be: less lxde packages and if we are lucky little pigs - a working sddm
[00:48] <agaida> that would be a good start
[00:48] <tsimonq2> Right
[00:49] <tsimonq2> Like I said, we'll see :)
[00:49] <agaida> best outcome would be the fugly upstream settings and themes
[00:49] <tsimonq2> Right
[00:50] <agaida> that is what i would expect if no other settings are loaded - and that would be really nice - all we need in that case will be an editor and some time
[00:50] <tsimonq2> Right
[00:51] <agaida> and that was the reason to clean up the packages first
[01:21] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> @wxl[m], it works :D
[01:21] <agaida> what works?
[01:22] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Fwd from wxl[m]: <wxl[m]> Probably only works on Opera knowing Raf
[01:22] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> what? you mean the BEST browser EVER?
[01:22] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> :D
[01:22] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[01:22] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> you know me well
[01:22] <agaida> the world famous chromium clone?
[01:22] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> one of them
[01:23] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> like his rebel cousin Vivaldi (former Opera employee)
[01:23] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> *HER
[01:23] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Ooooh, new Lubuntu Next images built. Grabbing it now, let's see how it goes
[01:24] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> (omg agaida you might be right, it went down 300 MB in size!)
[01:24] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> yes, plz. if it's working fine, and I'm able to install that bloody DEB of Kvantum... we. have. environment.
[01:24] <agaida> paste the link
[01:25] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> I'll test it on Boxes though
[01:25] <agaida> hiihi 300M is the size of the lxde packages + friends
[01:25] <tsimonq2> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-next/daily-live/
[01:25] <tsimonq2> I'm zsyncing it right now.
[01:25] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> which one?
[01:25] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> amd64...
[01:25] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> pending
[01:25] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> -___-
[01:26] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> I guess I'll do it tomorrow. it's SUPER late here
[01:26] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> ("pending" is the name of the dir!)
[01:26] <agaida> can someone sponsor canonical one or two fast servers please?
[01:26] <tsimonq2> hahahahahahahahahaa
[01:26] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> yes, agaida, I'm about to suggest them to share my own space. sigh
[01:27] <agaida> 1,7 M/s suck
[01:27] <agaida> 20-30 would be ok
[01:27] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> I get no more
[01:28] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> I want a torrent
[01:28] <agaida> torrents of not yet seeded things are horrible slow too :P
[01:29] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> aye :(
[01:36] <tsimonq2> ah yesssss
[01:36] <tsimonq2> ojk
[01:36] <tsimonq2> *ok
[01:36] <tsimonq2> so
[01:36] <tsimonq2> It does boot up fine now agaida
[01:36] <tsimonq2> Black screen, still
[01:36] <tsimonq2> But it boots :)
[01:37] <agaida> ok, the settings are messed up - so i guess that someone was really clever and changed the xdg-pathes
[01:37] <agaida> :P
[01:37] <agaida> only a wild guess
[01:38] <tsimonq2> You're being sarcastic, right?
[01:38] <tsimonq2> Because I think that's probably iy
[01:38] <tsimonq2> *it
[01:38] <agaida> it guess it is a leftover from times when LXQt was not really xdg able :P
[01:43] <agaida> hmm, still a lot lxde things
[01:44] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> @tsimonq2, :(
[01:44] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf it works enough for you to test stuff :P
[01:45] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> You sure? Does the settings manager even load?
[01:45] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Yeah, you just gotta customize it.
[01:45] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> Okies
[01:45] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Use the terminal to open the settings applications, then work your way up.
[01:45] <agaida> right - and i guess we will find the reasons for the packages - can't be to complicated
[01:45] <tsimonq2> Right
[01:45] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> What's a terminal?
[01:45] <agaida> alt f2 lxqt-config-monitor first
[01:45] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> .__.
[01:45] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> •__•
[01:46] <agaida> just start the monitor config in the runner
[01:46] <agaida> next thing in runner: lxqt-config-appearance
[01:46] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> mhm
[01:47] <agaida> user / pass for live user?
[01:48] <agaida> what really sucks - still lightdm
[01:48] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Actually @VikingRedwolf here's how I can tell it's XDG
[01:48] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> What's our login manager now?
[01:49] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> sddm?
[01:49] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Run `cp /usr/share/lxqt/* .config/lxqt` - that'll give you something workable with default LXQt settings
[01:49] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, Yes, it should be.
[01:49] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> @tsimonq2, Ok
[01:50] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> Aye. Noted all. I'll begin the engine tests tomorrow morning (European / shittyhole time)
[01:51] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> 😐
[01:53] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> (Photo, 1023x768) https://i.imgur.com/0w6Dffm.jpg I could get it here fairly quickly
[01:53] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> Nice
[01:54] <tsimonq2> agaida: So how do you suppose one would start diagnosing these XDG issues?
[01:54] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> Hmm... That panel... I must fix things.
[01:54] <agaida> to be honest - the first thing i would do is adding aptitude to seed
[01:55] <tsimonq2> no
[01:55] <tsimonq2> next?
[01:55] <agaida> and then i would clean up the remaining mess
[01:55] <agaida> aptitude why is helpful
[01:55] <agaida> ok, one can install it live
[01:56] <agaida> and that would lead to the package with the wrong settings
[01:56] <tsimonq2> How?
[01:56] <agaida> give me a minute
[01:56] <tsimonq2> (Right now I'm preparing a lubuntu-meta upload fwiw)
[01:56] <tsimonq2> Ok
[02:01] <agaida> https://i.imgur.com/2589ZRg.jpg
[02:03] <agaida> so lubuntu-core is still installed
[02:03] <tsimonq2> Right
[02:03] <tsimonq2> I have to push a lubuntu-meta update
[02:03] <agaida> just do it
[02:04] <tsimonq2> I have to wait for the update script to run
[02:04] <agaida> that will leave us without some crap - and make the debugging a lot easier
[02:04] <tsimonq2> Right
[02:08] <agaida> lubuntu-next as user? really?
[02:08] <tsimonq2> Yes.
[02:08] <tsimonq2> Really really.
[02:08] <tsimonq2> No password.
[02:08] <agaida> my user has a password - root too
[02:09] <tsimonq2> heh
[02:11] <agaida> sorry - first thing since 2009
[02:11] <agaida> sudo su
[02:11] <agaida> passwd
[02:14] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Btw, regarding your seed change, there is and will be no metapackage 'lubuntu-core-share'
[02:17] <agaida> tsimonq2: could we create qlubuntu-default-settings?
[02:17] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Oh, you're totally right. *facepalm*
[02:17] <tsimonq2> agaida: That's Julien's task.
[02:20] <agaida> meh - not my business - only a suggestion - lets clean up things first
[02:20] <tsimonq2> Ok
[02:20] <agaida> but i have to catch a little sleep now
[02:21] <tsimonq2> Alright o/
[15:44] -GitHub145:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] daniellimws opened pull request #5: Add Leafpad user documentation (master...master) https://git.io/vNwNr
[16:15] <lubot1> Henrik Christiansen was added by: Henrik Christiansen
[16:16] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Welcome!
[16:20] <lubot1> <Henrik Christiansen> Thanks :-)
[16:20] -GitHub195:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 closed pull request #5: Add Leafpad user documentation (master...master) https://git.io/vNwNr
[16:20] -GitHub175:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNwjy
[16:20] -GitHub175:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 7a1b326 Daniel Lim Wee Soong: Add Leafpad user documentation (#5)...
[16:57] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> @Henrik Christiansen, o/
[18:05] <agaida> redwolf[m]: only a little heads up - https://i.imgur.com/55Es5pP.jpg
[18:06] <agaida> so it is possible :P
[18:09] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> What is?
[18:12]  * agaida only refactored his development distribution - with new settings and so on
[18:37] <lubot1> Xisco Santos was added by: Xisco Santos
[19:06] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @Xisco Santos, Welcome!
[19:08] <lubot1> <Xisco Santos> Gracias...
[19:09] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> De nada :)
[19:09] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> the lubuntu logo looks bad here… XD
[19:09] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> (Photo, 1000x562) https://i.imgur.com/zUuApOA.jpg
[19:09] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> :D
[19:10] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Although that's not the Lubuntu Next logo >_>
[19:10] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> I know
[19:10] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> is there a Lubuntu Next logo?
[19:10] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> should I redraw it?
[19:19] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @MikolajczakMarcin, Ask @VikingRedwolf ;P
[19:19] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @MikolajczakMarcin, If you want :)
[19:52] -GitHub46:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n opened pull request #6: Update Polish translation and template files (master...translation) https://git.io/vNrRN
[20:24] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> @MikolajczakMarcin, yes, there is: https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-next
[20:26] -GitHub162:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNrgC
[20:26] -GitHub162:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master aa2f20d Marcin Mikołajczak: Update Polish translation and template files (#6)...
[20:26] -GitHub156:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 closed pull request #6: Update Polish translation and template files (master...translation) https://git.io/vNrRN
[20:29] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> @VikingRedwolf, ok, thanks
[20:31] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @ma
[20:31] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> grr
[20:32] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @MikolajczakMarcin If you're looking for more translation work to do, compare https://manual.lubuntu.me/pl/ to https://manual.lubuntu.me/en/ -- there's a lot of things missing from you 😉
[20:32] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> translated almost everything
[20:33] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Almost :D
[20:33] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> https://manual.lubuntu.me/pl/3/3.3/3.3.4/leafpad.html
[20:33] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> (Photo, 1000x562) https://i.imgur.com/W0hln95.jpg
[20:34] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> shouldn’t translators list contain link or name of language after their name?
[20:35] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> let me `yaourt -S leafpad`, I’m not on lubuntu rn…
[20:36] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @MikolajczakMarcin, Send me a PR and I'll be happy to accept it 😉
[20:36] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> I see that leafpad translation needs some changes too
[20:37] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Right
[20:37] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> (that's sorta my point :win
[20:37] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> grr I hate that in the Telegram web client pressing enter automatically sends the message 😕
[20:38] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> I mean changes in leafpad translation, not in manual
[20:38] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> ok
[20:38] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> *oh
[20:39] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> I also think that we should have translations for other languages too, but we should finish the guide first...
[20:39] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> I'll pitch in when I have the time, otherwise I know @anyytime was interested
[20:40] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> One more thing we'll need to figure out is documenting Lubuntu Next when it finally becomes stable and we know what applications we're going to use.
[20:41] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> If anyone wants to help, even the small things count: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-manual
[20:42] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @tsimonq2, (once this happens, it should be easy to extend things for Lubuntu Next; I know there's some outdated parts of the documentation in the spec right now that refer to LXQt, but we'll have to just deal with those)
[20:45] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @MikolajczakMarcin I've given you commit access to the Lubuntu Manual on GitHub, but here's the ultimate, golden rule here: Don't Break Stuff. :)
[20:45] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> (I know it goes without saying but still)
[20:47] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> So yeah, commit whatever you'd like, although I sort of assume it's going to be focused on translations :D
[20:51] -GitHub102:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n opened pull request #7: Update Polish translation (master...translation) https://git.io/vNrVZ
[20:53] -GitHub167:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNrV6
[20:53] -GitHub167:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 63b518f Marcin Mikołajczak: Update Polish translation
[20:53] -GitHub32:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n closed pull request #7: Update Polish translation (master...translation) https://git.io/vNrVZ
[20:53] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> I won’t “commit whatever I’d like”… :D
[20:55] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Fine, feel free to continue to throw PRs if you want, and I can 👍, but I won't merge for you :P
[20:55] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Anyways, your changes should go live soon, cron runs every 30 mins
[20:57] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> One more thing worth noting is that if we can get this completely done by March 29th, which is the Documentation String Freeze for Bionic, I'll upload this to the archive to be included by default
[21:06] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> I’ll try to document some stuff
[21:09] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> OK cool
[21:10] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Just to make that clear in this context, Documentation String Freeze just means no string changes anymore that affect translation - so it should just be ready for translation at that point.
[21:11] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> Also, if the actual manual pages will be complete, would adding small in-topic tips (eg. how to configure firefox to preserve RAM by unloading pages in firefox manpage [just an example]) be appreciated?
[21:12] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @krytarik, I'm aware, which is why the documentation should be done (i.e. strings) before then. Translations are fair game I think.
[21:12] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> @MikolajczakMarcin, Sure!
[21:13] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> Just remember that it's for someone that may not know anything about computers or Linux
[21:16] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> And about the whole manpage concept, now that I think about it, the user of this manual won't be launching it from the terminal anyways...
[21:57] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> I know
[21:58] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> And I can’t understand, why the manpage for leafpad was merged…
[22:03] <lubot1> <MikolajczakMarcin> (running leafpad from terminal)
[22:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: Cool project I'm working on; it's possible to do what MATE, Xfce, etc. does with global menus and the HUD, but there's no Qt-only plugin for it. So if I can get it to build, I'm going to revive appmenu-qt5 (from the Unity 8 days)
[22:57] <wxl> neat
[22:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: The fun part about this is that once this is all good, menus are exposed via DBus. MATE has an implementation called mate-hud that they use, but that depends on GTK as well, so I'm likely going to either fork it or build something similar while keeping that in mind.
[22:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: (the global menu or HUD takes the values from DBus)
[22:58] <wxl> ooh that's nice
[23:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: My only concern at the moment is that appmenu-qt5 might be under CLA; I'm fine because I've signed it but I know some people are against it, plus, it's not a Canonical project anymore...
[23:00] <wxl> might be or is? should be trivial to remove it
[23:01] <tsimonq2> I have no clue, people still have to get back to me.
[23:01] <tsimonq2> It might be, I was told by one person "assume it is"
[23:01] <wxl> hm
[23:01] <tsimonq2> But nothing in the code says that it's under CLA.
[23:01] <tsimonq2> hm indeed
[23:02] <tsimonq2> Anyways, I just got it to build \o/
[23:05] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> @tsimonq2, YAASSSSSS!!
[23:05] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> @tsimonq2, YAS YAS YAS
[23:06] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> Want! Now! Jag vill ha det!
[23:08] <tsimonq2> :D
[23:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: Did Raf tell you how much he adores global menus?
[23:24] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> :) I do!
[23:37] <lubot1> <Schyken> Global menus are bae
[23:37] <lubot1> <tsimonq2> I know ❤️
[23:38] <lubot1> <VikingRedwolf> (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3599