| lordievader | Good morning | 07:10 |
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| eoli3n | hi | 07:11 |
| lordievader | Hey eoli3n How are you? | 07:13 |
| eoli3n | fine, u ? :) | 07:18 |
| lordievader | Doing good here :) | 07:20 |
| cpaelzer | almost forgot, good morning | 07:40 |
| lordievader | Hahaha, hey cpaelzer | 07:47 |
| lordievader | How are you doing? | 07:47 |
| cpaelzer | good, busy enough to forget to say hello for more than an hour but good :-) | 07:47 |
| lordievader | 😁 | 07:47 |
| ahasenack | can I use rmadison to query packages for EOL ubuntu releases, likey yakkety? | 11:27 |
| ahasenack | or, what other way is there to learn at which version a certain package was in one of these releases? | 11:31 |
| * ahasenack tries packages.ubuntu.com | 11:33 | |
| ahasenack | nope | 11:34 |
| * ahasenack tries launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package> | 11:35 | |
| * ahasenack tries launchpad.net/ubuntu/<release>/+source/<package> | 11:36 | |
| ahasenack | bingo | 11:36 |
| eoli3n | is there any way to msg a offline user ? | 12:19 |
| eoli3n | with !tell or something ? | 12:19 |
| eoli3n | !tell | 12:19 |
| eoli3n | !help | 12:19 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 12:19 |
| eoli3n | !msg | 12:20 |
| ubottu | Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. | 12:20 |
| lordievader | Don't think ubottu has that functionality. | 12:20 |
| hateball | !memoserv | 12:20 |
| hateball | pff | 12:21 |
| boxrick | Here is a random question, I currently use Xenial for everything. Not tried Bionic yet, how working / broken is it currently. And does it massively differ in any way ? | 12:21 |
| lordievader | Such question are usually forwarded to #ubuntu+1 | 12:22 |
| boxrick | Fair enough, I guess I should be more specific. Has the networking changed much in Bionic? | 12:23 |
| eoli3n | re | 12:25 |
| Odd_Bloke | boxrick: Networking has changed fairly substantially, yes. networkd will be the default (in the server), and it will be configured using netplan. | 12:25 |
| boxrick | Just found this. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan/ | 12:26 |
| boxrick | Good news, ifupdown was rather unreliable. | 12:26 |
| eoli3n | so if somebody saw it yesterday, i was debugging a kickstart install, which actually breaks win7 boot. I'm not a end user, i need to automate to deploy 800 nodes. | 12:27 |
| eoli3n | here is the kickstart file -> https://ptpb.pw/TMJt | 12:27 |
| eoli3n | here are my tests -> https://ptpb.pw/Uc7_.png | 12:27 |
| eoli3n | and here the log of win7 cdrom repair tool -> https://ptpb.pw/fxvz | 12:27 |
| eoli3n | TJ-, which is not connected right now, helped me a bit yesterday | 12:28 |
| eoli3n | he asked me to add sector#1 to #2047 test | 12:28 |
| eoli3n | in table, every orange part are differing from previous state | 12:29 |
| eoli3n | i want my kickstart install, to work without kicking win7 install, and without needed of repairing anything | 12:29 |
| boxrick | So Odd_Bloke, getting netplan and systemd networkd working in a similar way to Bionic on Xenial. Is that even possible? | 12:31 |
| Odd_Bloke | boxrick: I don't think you'd want networkd in xenial, but I _believe_ netplan can render ENI. | 12:37 |
| Odd_Bloke | cyphermox will probably be able to be more helpful, though he might not be awake for a couple of hours. | 12:38 |
| cpaelzer | ahasenack: also full publication history can sometimes help to uncover weird version changes and what happened | 13:07 |
| cpaelzer | hard to read but once mastered full of info | 13:07 |
| ahasenack | cpaelzer: where is that? | 13:09 |
| ahasenack | ah, link in the top right | 13:10 |
| ahasenack | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+publishinghistory for example | 13:10 |
| ahasenack | thx | 13:10 |
| eoli3n | how could i have partuuid on parts, using msdos part table | 13:15 |
| eoli3n | ? | 13:15 |
| eoli3n | when i run blkid i have some PARTUUID setted | 13:16 |
| eoli3n | the part table is msdos, wtf | 13:16 |
| danrik | Does anyone know if ubuntu 17.10 still supports md5 signed vpn certificates? | 13:30 |
| danrik | I know that fedora dropped it completely, but thought that ubuntu still supports it: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/80081/fedora-23-unable-to-verify-openvpn-certificate-after-update/ | 13:31 |
| cpaelzer | ahasenack: I'll look at your samba merge now | 13:52 |
| cpaelzer | anythin in particular to watch out ofr? | 13:52 |
| cpaelzer | s/ofr/for/ | 13:52 |
| ahasenack | not this time | 13:52 |
| ahasenack | cpaelzer: one thing, though, it won't build without bionic-proposed | 13:53 |
| ahasenack | because of a build-depends change | 13:53 |
| ahasenack | and migrations are basically frozen still | 13:53 |
| cpaelzer | have you a ppa already as usual? | 13:53 |
| cpaelzer | or not yet because of that? | 13:53 |
| cpaelzer | you can enable proposed in the ppa I think | 13:53 |
| ahasenack | cpaelzer: I do | 13:54 |
| ahasenack | and I have :) | 13:54 |
| ahasenack | just a sec | 13:54 |
| ahasenack | cpaelzer: https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/samba-merge-4.7.4 | 13:54 |
| cpaelzer | thanks | 13:54 |
| eoli3n | i really need help | 14:05 |
| eoli3n | is there anybody which could help on multiboot kickstart deploy ? | 14:05 |
| eoli3n | who | 14:05 |
| ahasenack | don't know about kickstart, sorry :( | 14:08 |
| cpaelzer | me neither | 14:09 |
| eoli3n | hm, thx for answering anyway :) | 14:11 |
| cpaelzer | ahasenack: MP is good, a few minor questions but no stoppers - if you need sponsoring let me know | 14:21 |
| pankaj | I am addicted to watching youtube videos. Just wanted to get rid of web browser functionality in ubuntu. Is their any way to achieve this task? | 15:22 |
| Ussat | speaking og youtube.... | 15:22 |
| Ussat | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc&list=RDe4Ao-iNPPUc | 15:22 |
| Ussat | of | 15:22 |
| Ussat | ya I know off topic, but had to | 15:23 |
| cyphermox | boxrick: hey, how can I halp? | 15:25 |
| boxrick | Ohh I was just looking at getting Ubuntu 18.04 like networking in 16.04 ( IE netplan and systemd.networkd ) | 15:27 |
| cyphermox | boxrick: aye | 15:27 |
| boxrick | 1) Is this actually realistically possible | 15:27 |
| cyphermox | there may be a couple of moving pieces to configure, but it should be possible | 15:27 |
| cyphermox | netplan is already the same version as in bionic | 15:27 |
| boxrick | 2) Is there much point in doing this ( my idea here is to make the transition to 18 less painful down the road ) and I also have a bunch of pain with ifupdown currently in xenial. | 15:28 |
| cyphermox | boxrick: so; remove any ifupdown configuration you have and migrate it to netplan; make sure you're running the latest systemd from -updates, and you're already pretty good | 15:28 |
| cyphermox | the benefit depends on what you're doing for network configuration right now | 15:29 |
| boxrick | Well its all built inside of Ansible templates, but we have to modify the networking-service with some systemd extends | 15:29 |
| cyphermox | you're right that if you migrate now, you won't have to do it later, but unless you have things that aren't working in ifupdown, you don't have all that much of a benefit | 15:29 |
| cyphermox | also, if you use openvswitch, for the time being you're better of keeping ifupdown | 15:30 |
| boxrick | ifupdown doesn't like you replacing the config files and restarting | 15:30 |
| boxrick | It expects, take the network down, then put the new config in | 15:30 |
| boxrick | Then bring it back up | 15:30 |
| cyphermox | yes | 15:30 |
| boxrick | Otherwise it all goes haywire. | 15:30 |
| boxrick | So I have some workarounds for that, but I was hoping the 18.04 way would work better. | 15:30 |
| cyphermox | 'service networking restart' is not something you ever want to do | 15:31 |
| boxrick | Which is kind of mad | 15:31 |
| boxrick | Since it works perfectly in CentOS. | 15:31 |
| cyphermox | (I agree, ifupdown requires the config to tear down network) | 15:31 |
| boxrick | But I have worked around that anyway by doing it in a different fashion which allows us to do restarts cleanly. | 15:31 |
| cyphermox | well, netplan is unaffected by that, if you just 'netplan apply', you should see your configuration applied. | 15:31 |
| cyphermox | so yeah, all of it is very much dependent on the complexity of your network configuration | 15:32 |
| boxrick | Well that sounds promising, and we don't use Openvswitch right now. | 15:32 |
| cyphermox | and we can discuss this further in #netplan if you want | 15:32 |
| boxrick | Sure | 15:32 |
| cyphermox | openvswitch is planned, but it's complicated, so it takes time | 15:32 |
| mwynne | Hi. One of my ubuntu-server VMs rebooted last night, and I can't find anything related to the reboot in syslog or kern.log. Any suggestions for where else I can look to find what happened? | 17:22 |
| nacc | mwynne: do you have unattended-upgrades enabled? | 17:22 |
| mwynne | nacc: How can I tell? | 17:23 |
| TJ- | mwynne: /var/log/apt/history.log and term.log | 17:23 |
| nacc | mwynne: config wise /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades, iirc | 17:24 |
| mwynne | It looks like it's enabled, but '//Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "false";' | 17:24 |
| nacc | mwynne: ok, i'd check the logs TJ- mentioned | 17:25 |
| mwynne | I'm assuming since that's commented out it shouldn't reboot automatically? | 17:25 |
| mwynne | It looks like it's doing upgrades | 17:25 |
| mwynne | How can I disable that? | 17:25 |
| sarnold | first you have to figure out why it rebooted | 17:27 |
| mwynne | Yeah. | 17:27 |
| sarnold | anything in logs? audit logs? | 17:27 |
| sarnold | hypervisor logs? | 17:28 |
| mwynne | I can disable it, but I'd like to know why. | 17:28 |
| mwynne | sarnold: I'll check hypervisor logs. | 17:28 |
| mwynne | sarnold: Nothing I can find in those logs. | 17:36 |
| Neo4 | Hi! I've made list of apps that must be needed for create mail server, is it full list what I need? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X3azb3yyFc3vOyUefcTpKVUlEWdXc4Stw9to2KB_eKg/edit?usp=sharing | 17:38 |
| mwynne | nacc: `last -x` gives me this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/650992/ | 17:38 |
| nacc | mwynne: and that's a new kernel installed? | 17:39 |
| nacc | that would seem like an unattended-upgrade run (note, u-a also logs its own stuff) | 17:39 |
| nacc | /var/log/unattended-upgrades | 17:39 |
| mwynne | nacc: Yeah, new kernel. I guess that forces the reboot? | 17:42 |
| nacc | mwynne: i'd check the log, but i'd assume so? it would certainly have flagged a need-reboot | 17:43 |
| sarnold | you could start up another vm with an older kernel, set the cronjob to run 'soon', and see what happens.. | 17:45 |
| sarnold | I'd certainly be surprised to see a machine reboot after installing a kernel update | 17:45 |
| sarnold | but maybe your system is configured in that fashion | 17:45 |
| nacc | cpaelzer: fyi, i'm holdinng off on the php-defaults merge, because 7.2 just landed in unstable, so i'm going to be bumping it | 17:45 |
| sarnold | pity there's no clear "shutdown request made by comm ... pid ... user ..." | 17:45 |
| mwynne | sarnold: yeah... grep -i reboot in the unattented upgrades dir doesn't return anything either :S | 17:46 |
| sarnold | shutdown? halt? | 17:46 |
| mwynne | Nope | 17:48 |
| === Ussat-1 is now known as Ussat | ||
| Neo4 | when I do it sudo echo "hello body" | mail -s "hello subject!" neo@kselax.ru | 18:04 |
| Neo4 | I got new massage in /var/mail/neo | 18:04 |
| nacc | Neo4: why are you sudo'ing to echo? | 18:05 |
| Neo4 | when I try send message from gmail.com on neo@kselax.ru I didn't get anything | 18:05 |
| Neo4 | nacc: I want send from root at first | 18:05 |
| nacc | Neo4: "on neo@..." -- do you mean *as* neo@ ... or *to* neo@... ? | 18:05 |
| Neo4 | on this mail neo@kselax.ru | 18:05 |
| Neo4 | from my gmail.com mail and I got nothing | 18:06 |
| nacc | Neo4: ok, you didn't answer my second question | 18:06 |
| nacc | Neo4: "on neo@..." -- do you mean *as* neo@ ... or *to* neo@... ? | 18:06 |
| Neo4 | to neo@kselax.ru | 18:06 |
| Neo4 | from neovichnn@gmail.com | 18:07 |
| Neo4 | on /var/postfix/main.cf I have this mydestination = kselax.ru localhost | 18:07 |
| Neo4 | it seems mails will delivered only from kselax.ru and from localhost? | 18:07 |
| Neo4 | neovichnn@gmail.com ? | 18:08 |
| Neo4 | must be I need add gmail.com there, Now will try | 18:08 |
| Neo4 | no, doesn't work | 18:11 |
| nacc | Neo4: i have a hard time following what you are doing, please dont use enter as punctuation | 18:14 |
| nacc | Neo4: mydestination = kselax.ru means that anything sent to *@kselax.ru on that machine will be delivered locally | 18:14 |
| Neo4 | nacc: it is not influence on deliver from other machines? | 18:16 |
| nacc | http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#mydestination | 18:16 |
| Neo4 | understood, I thought there should be names for others | 18:16 |
| Neo4 | I'd read that and didn't understood anything | 18:17 |
| nacc | Neo4: then, without intending offense, maybe setting up a mailserver isn't for you | 18:17 |
| nacc | Neo4: or you need more basic level knowledge of mail routing, etc. before you do an actual implementation | 18:17 |
| Neo4 | nacc: no, my, I know how that origin is my last part and what mean destination, Will learn ahead :) | 18:18 |
| Neo4 | nacc: it's very fast do you think I'll be give up | 18:18 |
| nacc | Neo4: i don't undersand what you wrote, sorry | 18:19 |
| Neo4 | nacc: when you read that doc it means that destination is specify domain that will delivery from somewhere far like gmail.com or something else | 18:20 |
| nacc | Neo4: no | 18:20 |
| nacc | that's not at all what it says | 18:20 |
| nacc | "The mydestination parameter specifies what domains this machine will deliver locally, instead of forwarding to another machine." | 18:20 |
| Neo4 | yes I've understood for now | 18:20 |
| nacc | it doesn't talk about other domains at all | 18:20 |
| Neo4 | yes, yes, I know and test show it | 18:20 |
| nacc | Neo4: again, are you sure you want to run your own mail server? | 18:21 |
| nacc | if you're using gmail already, just use gmail? | 18:21 |
| Neo4 | before my mails that I send on gmail.com had been deliverd on gmail and now after put gmail.com to my destination I've got nothing | 18:22 |
| Neo4 | nacc: yes, | 18:22 |
| nacc | Neo4: send *on* gmail? do you mean *to* gmail? | 18:22 |
| nacc | Neo4: sending "on" gmail sounds like you are using the web intnerface | 18:22 |
| Neo4 | nacc: any serious administrator must know how to configure server :) | 18:22 |
| Neo4 | own mail server is need almost for any organization and this is very important ability | 18:23 |
| nacc | Neo4: i think you're putting the cart before the horse a bit | 18:23 |
| nacc | many companies just pay google to do it, because it's a PITA | 18:23 |
| nacc | (imo) | 18:23 |
| sarnold | Neo4: a huge number of companies outsource it to google or microsoft, because it's such a pain in the ass to host email these days | 18:23 |
| Neo4 | nacc: I mean to neovichnn@gmail.com after put domain to mydestinaton = gmail.com It wont send | 18:23 |
| nacc | Neo4: well, yes, becuase that's what mydestination does | 18:23 |
| nacc | Neo4: you told postfix that gmail.com is your local destination | 18:24 |
| sarnold | Neo4: take a look at "g suite email" https://support.google.com/domains/answer/6069226 | 18:25 |
| nacc | Neo4: you are welcome to continue to learn how to use postfix, but realy most of your qquestions should be directed to a postfix-specific channel, it feels like, or the docs | 18:25 |
| sarnold | yes the name is stupid but $5/mo to not think about email sounds like a good deal to me :) | 18:25 |
| nacc | Neo4: but honestly, it seems like more work than it's worth, and you already have gmail | 18:25 |
| Neo4 | sarnold: really? I've watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPz8wf2i-Gw | 18:25 |
| Neo4 | and guy said it's very important skill, and this is considered the must difficult task for administrators because should be configure a few programs for works together | 18:25 |
| nacc | right, it's difficult and fiddly to get right | 18:26 |
| nacc | so why are you doing it? just to have it on your list because a youtube video said so? | 18:26 |
| Neo4 | nacc: in that video that guy did it for 1.5 hours | 18:26 |
| sarnold | Neo4: it's extremely difficult, it *is* important, but many companies don't even want the trouble. | 18:26 |
| Neo4 | very fast | 18:26 |
| nacc | Neo4: did what for 1.5 hours? | 18:26 |
| nacc | Neo4: you mean they configured a mail server in 1.5 hours? | 18:27 |
| nacc | Neo4: fine, go do exactlly what they did... | 18:27 |
| Neo4 | sarnold: he said many companies required own mail server, and that server that he show in video is real server that can be work perfectly | 18:27 |
| Neo4 | nacc: yes with preconfigured config files | 18:27 |
| nacc | Neo4: right, so not realistic at all | 18:28 |
| nacc | Neo4: yes, if you have *already* configured your mail server, configuration is easy | 18:28 |
| nacc | that seems rather circular | 18:28 |
| sarnold | the first mail server I set up I spent a solid month reading the sendmail book before starting | 18:28 |
| Neo4 | nacc: see there, it's realistic, he has already files for apps and do it fast | 18:28 |
| sdeziel | setting up a mail server is only one part of the equation, ongoing maintenance need to be factored in | 18:28 |
| nacc | and actually undrestanding what you are doing | 18:29 |
| Neo4 | sdeziel: he is not newbie, for him it's 1 - 2 hours | 18:29 |
| Neo4 | sarnold: I also spent much time but I think it worth it, Soon I'll have my server and be able send many massage for people ) | 18:30 |
| sarnold | Neo4: the trouble is, email is way more difficult today than it was twenty years ago | 18:30 |
| sarnold | granted, postfix is a thousand times better than sendmail | 18:31 |
| sarnold | but spf and dkim and god knows what else is so much harder | 18:31 |
| === MannerMan_ is now known as MannerMan | ||
| TJ- | gap in the market for a config tool then :) | 18:31 |
| Neo4 | sarnold: in video didn't use spf and dkim. there use postfix, mysql, clamd, clamSMTP, spamassassin, postfixadmin and squirrelmail | 18:32 |
| Neo4 | I think for start we can do it without spamassassin, clamd and clamdSMTP | 18:33 |
| sarnold | Neo4: does he get around to *sending* mail?? | 18:33 |
| Neo4 | don't know might be | 18:34 |
| Neo4 | I can send on gmail without spf and dkim | 18:34 |
| Neo4 | sarnold: it won't problem install this if you know all of rest | 18:35 |
| Ussat | That video is very wrong, its hardly an important task now, maby 5 years ago, but now most big corps dont do that in house | 19:00 |
| nacc | Ussat: +1 | 19:08 |
| Ussat | sigh | 19:16 |
| Ussat | Open a ticket to SAN team requesting a 3TB mount for a VM, ticket comes back.....this has been completed | 19:16 |
| Ussat | Whats the mount point ??? | 19:16 |
| Ussat | sigh | 19:16 |
| nacc | heh | 19:19 |
| ahasenack | nacc: hey, any idea what's going on here? It's a clean checkout (branch listed at the bottom): https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26446136/ | 19:48 |
| ahasenack | for some reason it thinks there are changes not represented as a patch? And then fails | 19:48 |
| nacc | ahasenack: i'd need to try and reprodcue it locally | 19:49 |
| nacc | ahasenack: is the branch pushed somewhere? | 19:50 |
| nacc | ahasenack: the file it's iterating is the generated patch | 19:50 |
| ahasenack | nacc: git ubuntu remote add paelzer | 19:50 |
| ahasenack | then checkout lp1726879-artful | 19:50 |
| nacc | ahasenack: for SA? | 19:50 |
| ahasenack | yes | 19:50 |
| nacc | ahasenack: give me afew | 19:50 |
| * ahasenack likes git ubuntu remote add <person> | 19:50 | |
| nacc | esp. as we use it for bugfixes and stuff going forward | 19:51 |
| nacc | it makes it so much easier to do Git reviews (for me) | 19:51 |
| ahasenack | same | 19:51 |
| ahasenack | hm, I wonder if this package has two tarballs | 19:52 |
| ahasenack | it does | 19:52 |
| ahasenack | spamassassin_3.4.1.orig-pkgrules.tar.xz and spamassassin_3.4.1.orig.tar.xz | 19:52 |
| nacc | we *should* handle that ok | 19:52 |
| nacc | ahasenack: which snap are you at? | 21:25 |
| ahasenack | nacc: lemme check | 21:27 |
| ahasenack | nacc: git-ubuntu 0.6.2+git59.1e67e4c 350 nacc classic | 21:28 |
| nacc | ahasenack: hrm, i don't see that from the store anymore | 21:28 |
| nacc | but htat's ok | 21:28 |
| ahasenack | I can update | 21:28 |
| nacc | my git-ubuntu fixes snap (locally built) didn't hit anything with that branch | 21:28 |
| nacc | i'm switching to edge to check again | 21:28 |
| * ahasenack gets 351 | 21:28 | |
| ahasenack | nacc: I still see it with r351 | 21:30 |
| nacc | ahasenack: ok, i'm stilll d/ling it here | 21:30 |
| nacc | ahasenack: interesting, reproduced, debuggin | 21:34 |
| ahasenack | cool | 21:34 |
| nacc | ahasenack: can you file a bug? | 21:34 |
| ahasenack | on it | 21:35 |
| * ahasenack -> eod | 21:37 | |
| ahasenack | cya tomorrow | 21:37 |
| nacc | ahasenack: ok, it's related to component tarballs you were right | 21:48 |
| nacc | ahasenack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/usd-importer/+bug/1738957 I think is the fix | 21:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1738957 in usd-importer "lint fails when multiple orig tarballs exist" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:50 |
| nacc | but nnot 100% | 21:50 |
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