[07:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:11] <eoli3n> hi
[07:13] <lordievader> Hey eoli3n How are you?
[07:18] <eoli3n> fine, u ? :)
[07:20] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[07:40] <cpaelzer> almost forgot, good morning
[07:47] <lordievader> Hahaha, hey cpaelzer
[07:47] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:47] <cpaelzer> good, busy enough to forget to say hello for more than an hour but good :-)
[07:47] <lordievader> 😁
[11:27] <ahasenack> can I use rmadison to query packages for EOL ubuntu releases, likey yakkety?
[11:31] <ahasenack> or, what other way is there to learn at which version a certain package was in one of these releases?
[11:33]  * ahasenack tries packages.ubuntu.com
[11:34] <ahasenack> nope
[11:35]  * ahasenack tries launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package>
[11:36]  * ahasenack tries launchpad.net/ubuntu/<release>/+source/<package>
[11:36] <ahasenack> bingo
[12:19] <eoli3n> is there any way to msg a offline user ?
[12:19] <eoli3n> with !tell or something ?
[12:19] <eoli3n> !tell
[12:19] <eoli3n> !help
[12:20] <eoli3n> !msg
[12:20] <lordievader> Don't think ubottu has that  functionality.
[12:20] <hateball> !memoserv
[12:21] <hateball> pff
[12:21] <boxrick> Here is a random question, I currently use Xenial for everything. Not tried Bionic yet, how working / broken is it currently. And does it massively differ in any way ?
[12:22] <lordievader> Such question are usually forwarded to #ubuntu+1
[12:23] <boxrick> Fair enough, I guess I should be more specific. Has the networking changed much in Bionic?
[12:25] <eoli3n> re
[12:25] <Odd_Bloke> boxrick: Networking has changed fairly substantially, yes.  networkd will be the default (in the server), and it will be configured using netplan.
[12:26] <boxrick> Just found this. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan/
[12:26] <boxrick> Good news, ifupdown was rather unreliable.
[12:27] <eoli3n> so if somebody saw it yesterday, i was debugging a kickstart install, which actually breaks win7 boot. I'm not a end user, i need to automate to deploy 800 nodes.
[12:27] <eoli3n> here is the kickstart file -> https://ptpb.pw/TMJt
[12:27] <eoli3n> here are my tests -> https://ptpb.pw/Uc7_.png
[12:27] <eoli3n> and here the log of win7 cdrom repair tool -> https://ptpb.pw/fxvz
[12:28] <eoli3n> TJ-, which is not connected right now, helped me a bit yesterday
[12:28] <eoli3n> he asked me to add sector#1 to #2047 test
[12:29] <eoli3n> in table, every orange part are differing from previous state
[12:29] <eoli3n> i want my kickstart install, to work without kicking win7 install, and without needed of repairing anything
[12:31] <boxrick> So Odd_Bloke, getting netplan and systemd networkd working in a similar way to Bionic on Xenial. Is that even possible?
[12:37] <Odd_Bloke> boxrick: I don't think you'd want networkd in xenial, but I _believe_ netplan can render ENI.
[12:38] <Odd_Bloke> cyphermox will probably be able to be more helpful, though he might not be awake for a couple of hours.
[13:07] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: also full publication history can sometimes help to uncover weird version changes and what happened
[13:07] <cpaelzer> hard to read but once mastered full of info
[13:09] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: where is that?
[13:10] <ahasenack> ah, link in the top right
[13:10] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+publishinghistory for example
[13:10] <ahasenack> thx
[13:15] <eoli3n> how could i have partuuid on parts, using msdos part table
[13:15] <eoli3n> ?
[13:16] <eoli3n> when i run blkid i have some PARTUUID setted
[13:16] <eoli3n> the part table is msdos, wtf
[13:30] <danrik> Does anyone know if ubuntu 17.10 still supports md5 signed vpn certificates?
[13:31] <danrik> I know that fedora dropped it completely, but thought that ubuntu still supports it: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/80081/fedora-23-unable-to-verify-openvpn-certificate-after-update/
[13:52] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I'll look at your samba merge now
[13:52] <cpaelzer> anythin in particular to watch out ofr?
[13:52] <cpaelzer> s/ofr/for/
[13:52] <ahasenack> not this time
[13:53] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: one thing, though, it won't build without bionic-proposed
[13:53] <ahasenack> because of a build-depends change
[13:53] <ahasenack> and migrations are basically frozen still
[13:53] <cpaelzer> have you a ppa already as usual?
[13:53] <cpaelzer> or not yet because of that?
[13:53] <cpaelzer> you can enable proposed in the ppa I think
[13:54] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: I do
[13:54] <ahasenack> and I have :)
[13:54] <ahasenack> just a sec
[13:54] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/samba-merge-4.7.4
[13:54] <cpaelzer> thanks
[14:05] <eoli3n> i really need help
[14:05] <eoli3n> is there anybody which could help on multiboot kickstart deploy ?
[14:05] <eoli3n> who
[14:08] <ahasenack> don't know about kickstart, sorry :(
[14:09] <cpaelzer> me neither
[14:11] <eoli3n> hm, thx for answering anyway :)
[14:21] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: MP is good, a few minor questions but no stoppers - if you need sponsoring let me know
[15:22] <pankaj> I am addicted to watching youtube videos. Just wanted to get rid of web browser functionality in ubuntu. Is their any way to achieve this task?
[15:22] <Ussat> speaking og youtube....
[15:22] <Ussat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc&list=RDe4Ao-iNPPUc
[15:22] <Ussat> of
[15:23] <Ussat> ya I know off topic, but had to
[15:25] <cyphermox> boxrick: hey, how can I halp?
[15:27] <boxrick> Ohh I was just looking at getting Ubuntu 18.04 like networking in 16.04 ( IE netplan and systemd.networkd )
[15:27] <cyphermox> boxrick: aye
[15:27] <boxrick> 1) Is this actually realistically possible
[15:27] <cyphermox> there may be a couple of moving pieces to configure, but it should be possible
[15:27] <cyphermox> netplan is already the same version as in bionic
[15:28] <boxrick> 2) Is there much point in doing this ( my idea here is to make the transition to 18 less painful down the road ) and I also have a bunch of pain with ifupdown currently in xenial.
[15:28] <cyphermox> boxrick: so; remove any ifupdown configuration you have and migrate it to netplan; make sure you're running the latest systemd from -updates, and you're already pretty good
[15:29] <cyphermox> the benefit depends on what you're doing for network configuration right now
[15:29] <boxrick> Well its all built inside of Ansible templates, but we have to modify the networking-service with some systemd extends
[15:29] <cyphermox> you're right that if you migrate now, you won't have to do it later, but unless you have things that aren't working in ifupdown, you don't have all that much of a benefit
[15:30] <cyphermox> also, if you use openvswitch, for the time being you're better of keeping ifupdown
[15:30] <boxrick> ifupdown doesn't like you replacing the config files and restarting
[15:30] <boxrick> It expects, take the network down, then put the new config in
[15:30] <boxrick> Then bring it back up
[15:30] <cyphermox> yes
[15:30] <boxrick> Otherwise it all goes haywire.
[15:30] <boxrick> So I have some workarounds for that, but I was hoping the 18.04 way would work better.
[15:31] <cyphermox> 'service networking restart' is not something you ever want to do
[15:31] <boxrick> Which is kind of mad
[15:31] <boxrick> Since it works perfectly in CentOS.
[15:31] <cyphermox> (I agree, ifupdown requires the config to tear down network)
[15:31] <boxrick> But I have worked around that anyway by doing it in a different fashion which allows us to do restarts cleanly.
[15:31] <cyphermox> well, netplan is unaffected by that, if you just 'netplan apply', you should see your configuration applied.
[15:32] <cyphermox> so yeah, all of it is very much dependent on the complexity of your network configuration
[15:32] <boxrick> Well that sounds promising, and we don't use Openvswitch right now.
[15:32] <cyphermox> and we can discuss this further in #netplan if you want
[15:32] <boxrick> Sure
[15:32] <cyphermox> openvswitch is planned, but it's complicated, so it takes time
[17:22] <mwynne> Hi. One of my ubuntu-server VMs rebooted last night, and I can't find anything related to the reboot in syslog or kern.log. Any suggestions for where else I can look to find what happened?
[17:22] <nacc> mwynne: do you have unattended-upgrades enabled?
[17:23] <mwynne> nacc: How can I tell?
[17:23] <TJ-> mwynne: /var/log/apt/history.log and term.log
[17:24] <nacc> mwynne: config wise /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades, iirc
[17:24] <mwynne> It looks like it's enabled, but '//Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "false";'
[17:25] <nacc> mwynne: ok, i'd check the logs TJ- mentioned
[17:25] <mwynne> I'm assuming since that's commented out it shouldn't reboot automatically?
[17:25] <mwynne> It looks like it's doing upgrades
[17:25] <mwynne> How can I disable that?
[17:27] <sarnold> first you have to figure out why it rebooted
[17:27] <mwynne> Yeah.
[17:27] <sarnold> anything in logs? audit logs?
[17:28] <sarnold> hypervisor logs?
[17:28] <mwynne> I can disable it, but I'd like to know why.
[17:28] <mwynne> sarnold: I'll check hypervisor logs.
[17:36] <mwynne> sarnold: Nothing I can find in those logs.
[17:38] <Neo4> Hi! I've made list of apps that must be needed for create mail server, is it full list what I need? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X3azb3yyFc3vOyUefcTpKVUlEWdXc4Stw9to2KB_eKg/edit?usp=sharing
[17:38] <mwynne> nacc: `last -x` gives me this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/650992/
[17:39] <nacc> mwynne: and that's a new kernel installed?
[17:39] <nacc> that would seem like an unattended-upgrade run (note, u-a also logs its own stuff)
[17:39] <nacc>  /var/log/unattended-upgrades
[17:42] <mwynne> nacc: Yeah, new kernel. I guess that forces the reboot?
[17:43] <nacc> mwynne: i'd check the log, but i'd assume so? it would certainly have flagged a need-reboot
[17:45] <sarnold> you could start up another vm with an older kernel, set the cronjob to run 'soon', and see what happens..
[17:45] <sarnold> I'd certainly be surprised to see a machine reboot after installing a kernel update
[17:45] <sarnold> but maybe your system is configured in that fashion
[17:45] <nacc> cpaelzer: fyi, i'm holdinng off on the php-defaults merge, because 7.2 just landed in unstable, so i'm going to be bumping it
[17:45] <sarnold> pity there's no clear "shutdown request made by comm ... pid ... user ..."
[17:46] <mwynne> sarnold: yeah... grep -i reboot in the unattented upgrades dir doesn't return anything either :S
[17:46] <sarnold> shutdown? halt?
[17:48] <mwynne> Nope
[18:04] <Neo4> when I do it sudo echo "hello body" | mail -s "hello subject!" neo@kselax.ru
[18:04] <Neo4> I got new massage in /var/mail/neo
[18:05] <nacc> Neo4: why are you sudo'ing to echo?
[18:05] <Neo4> when I try send message from gmail.com on neo@kselax.ru I didn't get anything
[18:05] <Neo4> nacc: I want send from root at first
[18:05] <nacc> Neo4: "on neo@..." -- do you mean *as* neo@ ... or *to* neo@... ?
[18:05] <Neo4> on this mail neo@kselax.ru
[18:06] <Neo4> from my gmail.com mail and I got nothing
[18:06] <nacc> Neo4: ok, you didn't answer my second question
[18:06] <nacc> Neo4: "on neo@..." -- do you mean *as* neo@ ... or *to* neo@... ?
[18:06] <Neo4> to neo@kselax.ru
[18:07] <Neo4> from neovichnn@gmail.com
[18:07] <Neo4> on /var/postfix/main.cf I have this mydestination = kselax.ru localhost
[18:07] <Neo4> it seems mails will delivered only from kselax.ru and from localhost?
[18:08] <Neo4> neovichnn@gmail.com ?
[18:08] <Neo4> must be I need add gmail.com there, Now will try
[18:11] <Neo4> no, doesn't work
[18:14] <nacc> Neo4: i have a hard time following what you are doing, please dont use enter as punctuation
[18:14] <nacc> Neo4: mydestination = kselax.ru means that anything sent to *@kselax.ru on that machine will be delivered locally
[18:16] <Neo4> nacc: it is not influence on deliver from other machines?
[18:16] <nacc> http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#mydestination
[18:16] <Neo4> understood, I thought there should be names for others
[18:17] <Neo4> I'd read that and didn't understood anything
[18:17] <nacc> Neo4: then, without intending offense, maybe setting up a mailserver isn't for you
[18:17] <nacc> Neo4: or you need more basic level knowledge of mail routing, etc. before you do an actual implementation
[18:18] <Neo4> nacc: no, my, I know how that origin is my last part and what mean destination, Will learn ahead :)
[18:18] <Neo4> nacc: it's very fast do you think I'll be give up
[18:19] <nacc> Neo4: i don't undersand what you wrote, sorry
[18:20] <Neo4> nacc: when you read that doc it means that destination is specify domain that will delivery from somewhere far like gmail.com or something else
[18:20] <nacc> Neo4: no
[18:20] <nacc> that's not at all what it says
[18:20] <nacc> "The mydestination parameter specifies what domains this machine will deliver locally, instead of forwarding to another machine."
[18:20] <Neo4> yes I've understood for now
[18:20] <nacc> it doesn't talk about other domains at all
[18:20] <Neo4> yes, yes, I know and test show it
[18:21] <nacc> Neo4: again, are you sure you want to run your own mail server?
[18:21] <nacc> if you're using gmail already, just use gmail?
[18:22] <Neo4> before my mails that I send on gmail.com had been deliverd on gmail and now after put gmail.com to my destination I've got nothing
[18:22] <Neo4> nacc: yes,
[18:22] <nacc> Neo4: send *on* gmail? do you mean *to* gmail?
[18:22] <nacc> Neo4: sending "on" gmail sounds like you are using the web intnerface
[18:22] <Neo4> nacc: any serious administrator must know how to configure server :)
[18:23] <Neo4> own mail server is need almost for any organization and this is very important ability
[18:23] <nacc> Neo4: i think you're putting the cart before the horse a bit
[18:23] <nacc> many companies just pay google to do it, because it's a PITA
[18:23] <nacc> (imo)
[18:23] <sarnold> Neo4: a huge number of companies outsource it to google or microsoft, because it's such a pain in the ass to host email these days
[18:23] <Neo4> nacc: I mean to neovichnn@gmail.com after put domain to mydestinaton = gmail.com It wont send
[18:23] <nacc> Neo4: well, yes, becuase that's what mydestination does
[18:24] <nacc> Neo4: you told postfix that gmail.com is your local destination
[18:25] <sarnold> Neo4: take a look at "g suite email" https://support.google.com/domains/answer/6069226
[18:25] <nacc> Neo4: you are welcome to continue to learn how to use postfix, but realy most of your qquestions should be directed to a postfix-specific channel, it feels like, or the docs
[18:25] <sarnold> yes the name is stupid but $5/mo to not think about email sounds like a good deal to me :)
[18:25] <nacc> Neo4: but honestly, it seems like more work than it's worth, and you already have gmail
[18:25] <Neo4> sarnold: really? I've watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPz8wf2i-Gw
[18:25] <Neo4> and guy said it's very important skill, and this is considered the must difficult task for administrators because should be configure a few programs for works together
[18:26] <nacc> right, it's difficult and fiddly to get right
[18:26] <nacc> so why are you doing it? just to have it on your list because a youtube video said so?
[18:26] <Neo4> nacc: in that video that guy did it for 1.5 hours
[18:26] <sarnold> Neo4: it's extremely difficult, it *is* important, but many companies don't even want the trouble.
[18:26] <Neo4> very fast
[18:26] <nacc> Neo4: did what for 1.5 hours?
[18:27] <nacc> Neo4: you mean they configured a mail server in 1.5 hours?
[18:27] <nacc> Neo4: fine, go do exactlly what they did...
[18:27] <Neo4> sarnold: he said many companies required own mail server, and that server that he show in video is real server that can be work perfectly
[18:27] <Neo4> nacc: yes with preconfigured config files
[18:28] <nacc> Neo4: right, so not realistic at all
[18:28] <nacc> Neo4: yes, if you have *already* configured your mail server, configuration is easy
[18:28] <nacc> that seems rather circular
[18:28] <sarnold> the first mail server I set up I spent a solid month reading the sendmail book before starting
[18:28] <Neo4> nacc: see there, it's realistic, he has already files for apps and do it fast
[18:28] <sdeziel> setting up a mail server is only one part of the equation, ongoing maintenance need to be factored in
[18:29] <nacc> and actually undrestanding what you are doing
[18:29] <Neo4> sdeziel: he is not newbie, for him it's 1 - 2 hours
[18:30] <Neo4> sarnold: I also spent much time but I think it worth it, Soon I'll have my server and be able send many massage for people )
[18:30] <sarnold> Neo4: the trouble is, email is way more difficult today than it was twenty years ago
[18:31] <sarnold> granted, postfix is a thousand times better than sendmail
[18:31] <sarnold> but spf and dkim and god knows what else is so much harder
[18:31] <TJ-> gap in the market for a config tool then :)
[18:32] <Neo4> sarnold: in video didn't use spf and dkim. there use postfix, mysql, clamd, clamSMTP, spamassassin, postfixadmin and squirrelmail
[18:33] <Neo4> I think for start we can do it without spamassassin, clamd and clamdSMTP
[18:33] <sarnold> Neo4: does he get around to *sending* mail??
[18:34] <Neo4> don't know might be
[18:34] <Neo4> I can send on gmail without spf and dkim
[18:35] <Neo4> sarnold: it won't problem install this if you know all of rest
[19:00] <Ussat> That video is very wrong, its hardly an important task now, maby 5 years ago, but now most big corps dont do that in house
[19:08] <nacc> Ussat: +1
[19:16] <Ussat> sigh
[19:16] <Ussat> Open a ticket to SAN team requesting a 3TB mount for a VM, ticket comes back.....this has been completed
[19:16] <Ussat> Whats the mount point ???
[19:16] <Ussat> sigh
[19:19] <nacc> heh
[19:48] <ahasenack> nacc: hey, any idea what's going on here? It's a clean checkout (branch listed at the bottom): https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26446136/
[19:48] <ahasenack> for some reason it thinks there are changes not represented as a patch? And then fails
[19:49] <nacc> ahasenack: i'd need to  try and reprodcue it locally
[19:50] <nacc> ahasenack: is the branch pushed somewhere?
[19:50] <nacc> ahasenack: the file it's iterating is the generated patch
[19:50] <ahasenack> nacc: git ubuntu remote add paelzer
[19:50] <ahasenack> then checkout lp1726879-artful
[19:50] <nacc> ahasenack: for SA?
[19:50] <ahasenack> yes
[19:50] <nacc> ahasenack: give me afew
[19:50]  * ahasenack likes git ubuntu remote add <person>
[19:51] <nacc> esp. as we use it for bugfixes and stuff going forward
[19:51] <nacc> it makes it so much easier to do Git reviews (for me)
[19:51] <ahasenack> same
[19:52] <ahasenack> hm, I wonder if this package has two tarballs
[19:52] <ahasenack> it does
[19:52] <ahasenack> spamassassin_3.4.1.orig-pkgrules.tar.xz and spamassassin_3.4.1.orig.tar.xz
[19:52] <nacc> we *should* handle that ok
[21:25] <nacc> ahasenack: which snap are you at?
[21:27] <ahasenack> nacc: lemme check
[21:28] <ahasenack> nacc: git-ubuntu  0.6.2+git59.1e67e4c  350  nacc       classic
[21:28] <nacc> ahasenack: hrm, i don't see that from the store anymore
[21:28] <nacc> but htat's ok
[21:28] <ahasenack> I can update
[21:28] <nacc> my git-ubuntu fixes snap (locally built) didn't hit anything with that branch
[21:28] <nacc> i'm switching to edge to check again
[21:28]  * ahasenack gets 351
[21:30] <ahasenack> nacc: I still see it with r351
[21:30] <nacc> ahasenack: ok, i'm stilll d/ling it here
[21:34] <nacc> ahasenack: interesting, reproduced, debuggin
[21:34] <ahasenack> cool
[21:34] <nacc> ahasenack: can you file a bug?
[21:35] <ahasenack> on it
[21:37]  * ahasenack -> eod
[21:37] <ahasenack> cya tomorrow
[21:48] <nacc> ahasenack: ok, it's related to component tarballs you were right
[21:50] <nacc> ahasenack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/usd-importer/+bug/1738957 I think is the fix
[21:50] <nacc> but nnot 100%