| * agaida will like black global menues on a black background much | 00:12 | |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> aaaand that's why I'm doing dark panels ;) | 00:18 |
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| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> RIGHT | 00:20 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> XD | 00:20 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> great, my bouncer is down | 00:36 |
| lubot1 | <Schyken> @VikingRedwolf, Aren't they supposed to be like 6'4"... 6'6" tall and girthy tho | 00:38 |
| lubot1 | <Schyken> Hard to take them down | 00:38 |
| lubot1 | <Schyken> Did he drink too much? | 00:38 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> º__________º | 00:38 |
| agaida | redwolf: become modern and get a quassel-core | 00:43 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> a wut? | 00:43 |
| agaida | no more bouncers needed :P | 00:43 |
| agaida | and quassel client works fine on windows - and there is even quasseldroid | 00:44 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> isn't quassel an irc client? | 00:44 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> there | 00:44 |
| agaida | and server | 00:44 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> ah | 00:44 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> https://quassel-irc.org | 00:45 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> is it hosted there? | 00:45 |
| agaida | no | 00:45 |
| agaida | one can host it everywhere | 00:45 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> hm, it seems complicated. remember that I'm internally blonde | 00:45 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I did enough by setting up a normal server, nextcloud and even a pastebin service, but tthat's all | 00:46 |
| agaida | nah - its easy - setup an super performant postgresql server, setup a quasselcore and be done with :P | 00:47 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> can you see my irc user here, btw? ("here") | 00:47 |
| agaida | redwolf, redwolf[m] ? | 00:48 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> aye | 00:48 |
| agaida | https://pb.5id.eu/OgIC - my own little quassel server | 00:50 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> oohh | 00:51 |
| agaida | ok, little is a bit understatement | 00:51 |
| agaida | :P | 00:51 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> indeed | 00:51 |
| agaida | ok, my server just for fun | 00:52 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I like when a man doesn't bluff about the size of his server .__. | 00:52 |
| agaida | https://pb.5id.eu/cnIN - as i said, only for pet projects | 00:53 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> "persistent" | 00:54 |
| agaida | cheaper than a root server - so what :P | 00:54 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> oh, there's a package for ubuntu (quassel-core) | 00:55 |
| agaida | right - i guess two cores and a littel postgre database should be enough - isn't so expensive | 00:56 |
| agaida | and works with nearly everything | 00:56 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> two cores? | 00:56 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> as in cpu? | 00:56 |
| agaida | a VM with 2 processor cores | 00:56 |
| agaida | 10 is a little bit much :D | 00:57 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I should check mine | 00:57 |
| agaida | https://contabo.com/?show=configurator&vserver_id=193 - had this as starter, was fully enough for my web things and quassel | 00:58 |
| agaida | my own gitlab instance changed this a little bit | 00:59 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I have 1 CPU core :( | 01:00 |
| redwolf | I'M BACK!! | 01:01 |
| redwolf | YISSSS | 01:01 |
| agaida | :) | 01:02 |
| redwolf | but it's definitely something to think about | 01:02 |
| redwolf | I'm happy with my server though. I only use it mainly for syncing things to nextcloud | 01:03 |
| redwolf | I know it's cheap and tiny, but it's enough for someone like me | 01:04 |
| redwolf | but I can add cores ;) | 01:04 |
| agaida | i like to have a strong machine as a backup or for testing things without the need of digital ocean or aws | 01:04 |
| redwolf | that's expensive here | 01:04 |
| redwolf | for me, I mean, for now | 01:05 |
| agaida | 4 cores/12G for 9 € isn't to bad | 01:05 |
| tsimonq2 | !offtopic | 01:11 |
| ubot93 | #lubuntu is the Lubuntu support channel, #lubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Lubuntu, and #lubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! | 01:11 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 01:11 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> 😐 | 01:32 |
| lubot1 | <anyytime> @tsimonq2 for the docs should I remove anything that has to do with using the terminal | 11:17 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> @anyytime, tbh, I think that it shouldn’t be just content from leafpad site, screenshot and output from `leafpad -h` | 12:09 |
| lubot1 | <anyytime> what do you suggest otherwise? | 12:10 |
| lubot1 | <num13> @anyytime, Wouldn't that discourage the use of the terminal for future lubuntu users? | 12:11 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> @num13, Saying that you should open temrinal to start leafpad instead of using applications menu or alt+f2 isn't good idea | 12:14 |
| lubot1 | <num13> Either way @tsimonq2 What do you suggest? | 12:16 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> imo it should say in what category you can find the app, its features (but not copy-pasted), explanation of UI and maybe what to do if the file was opened with incorrect encoding | 12:19 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> and explain some options available in settings window, if any | 12:20 |
| lubot1 | <anyytime> yea I decided to replace the usage from terminal part to which category to find the app | 12:20 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> (y) | 12:20 |
| lubot1 | <anyytime> about explanation of ui, it's just a standard text editor I believe? | 12:21 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> yup | 12:21 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> and 2051x1379 is probably too big resolution for a screenshot… | 12:23 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> of something as simple as leafpad | 12:24 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> that’s just what I think | 12:24 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> I’m trying to guess what typical user would think, but it’s hard for me | 12:25 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> somebody says that people with Asperger’s syndrome (like me) can’t understand others XD | 12:27 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> But it’s definitely off-topic, so I won’t say about it here… :> | 12:28 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @num13, I don't have much of a preference tbh :) | 12:31 |
| lubot1 | <MikolajczakMarcin> I’ll make a PR basing on how I think it should look and I’ll ask @anyytime for review | 12:33 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Ok | 12:33 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> @tsimonq2, @julienlavergne, wxl, one small detail. I have to completely replace Openbox and LXQT (widgets and panel) themes. I need a day for that. Maybe two. | 13:51 |
| -GitHub113:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-artwork] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNKTV | 14:17 | |
| -GitHub113:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-artwork/master 953e881 Redwolf: Add Lubuntu Arc theme | 14:17 | |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, OK. We're waiting on @julienlavergne to look into XDG brokenness anyways ;) | 14:19 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> O.O why? | 14:20 |
| -GitHub189:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-artwork] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNKIJ | 14:23 | |
| -GitHub189:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-artwork/master 3ed6170 Redwolf: Add (custom) Lubuntu Arc for Openbox | 14:23 | |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> @GitHub189, sneaky! | 14:24 |
| lubot1 | <julienlavergne> @tsimonq2, ? Bug number ? | 14:24 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, ...screen is black on login? | 14:25 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> @tsimonq2, that's minimalism! XD | 14:25 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @julienlavergne, I don't have one but I assumed Rafael mentioned something to you... Try grabbing a Lubuntu Next ISO, the themes and everything is black on login, and the panel is empty. I suspect XDG. | 14:26 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> Themes are already uploaded. we only need three packages to make this look possible: | 14:27 |
| lubot1 | - arc-themes (in the repos) | 14:27 |
| lubot1 | - papirus-icon-theme (in the repos) | 14:27 |
| lubot1 | - kvantum (somewhere) | 14:27 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I might need to re-send you, @julienlavergne, the settings for gtk2 and gtk3 | 14:28 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I wonder if all this LXQt confifurarion will collide with LXDE's | 14:31 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> it's siesta time. brb! | 14:39 |
| lubot1 | ramon_gabriel was added by: ramon_gabriel | 14:51 |
| lubot1 | <num13> @ramon_gabriel, o/ | 15:16 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, OK, but I'm lost when touching XDG settings so I'll pass that to @julienlavergne to figure out and get working :) | 15:17 |
| lubot1 | agaida says things are merged upstream, so there shouldn't be any blockers left? | 15:17 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @ramon_gabriel, Welcome! | 15:17 |
| agaida | for the XDG things - we have moved nearly all XDG things to /usr/share/lxqt iirc - except the configurations for lxqt-globalkeys | 15:22 |
| agaida | in case where no upstream pre-configurations are available the normal XDG behaviour works, implemented in libqtxdg - so the application will have a look at the '"normal" pathes in /usr/share, etc/xdg/$foo, /etc/$bar and $HOME/.config/$baz | 15:24 |
| lubot1 | <ramon_gabriel> @tsimonq2, Thank you! | 15:25 |
| agaida | i would suggest to use /etc/xdg to provide settings and not to touch the XDG standard dirs - that will leave /etc/$bar open and not touched for derivatives | 15:26 |
| agaida | to sum it up - lubuntu can just throw the lubuntu configs to /etc/xdg - there will be no file conflicts with debian or upstream | 15:27 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> @tsimonq2, I hope so | 17:38 |
| -GitHub58:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-artwork] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNKiA | 17:57 | |
| -GitHub58:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-artwork/master 8461385 Redwolf: Fix some colours | 17:57 | |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> @GitHub58, 🇬🇧 | 17:58 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @GitHub58, *colors :P | 17:58 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> 🖕🏻🇺🇸 | 17:58 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> have you added papirus-icon-theme and arc-theme to the seed? | 18:03 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> and KCALC? º___º | 18:03 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, It's open for pull requests... | 18:05 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Although yeah I guess I should | 18:05 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf Have we switched to Arc on LXDE and LXQt? | 18:05 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> nope | 18:06 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> we could though | 18:06 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Just LXQt needs those seed additions then? | 18:06 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, No | 18:06 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> yes | 18:06 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Ok | 18:06 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I prefer to keep the diferent settings | 18:06 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I do too | 18:07 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Which is why we need different default settings packages boi | 18:08 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> *ahem* ;) | 18:08 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> BTW agaida, lubuntu-meta in Bionic should be fixed now. | 18:08 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> aah, don't tell me that. tell @julienlavergne ;) | 18:08 |
| gilir | you want to switch the theme + icons for the LTS ? Really ? | 18:09 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> yes, he does :) | 18:10 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @gilir, Not for Lubuntu, Lubuntu Next | 18:11 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Lubuntu needs to stay static | 18:11 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Lubuntu Next however is the playing ground :) | 18:11 |
| gilir | ok | 18:12 |
| gilir | btw, the settings should work, because there are in a XDG directory | 18:15 |
| gilir | I'm downloading the ISO, I'll look at it | 18:16 |
| agaida | tsimonq2: is a fixed iso ready to download? | 18:29 |
| agaida | hi gilir | 18:30 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @gilir, OK | 18:53 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @agaida, Idk offhand if today's daily has the fix. | 18:53 |
| agaida | hmm - just downloaded the daily image - unfortunately the metapackage changes are not in | 18:56 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Then apt update in tty1, wipe away your settings, kill lightdm and start sddm :D | 19:07 |
| agaida | that doesn't help much - in that special case reading the sources is more fruitful and faster - look good first hand | 19:08 |
| agaida | and btw - apt purge libgtk* libqt* would help more | 19:09 |
| agaida | after that starting with a nearly cleaned up system even :D | 19:09 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> gilir: Mind if I just do a quick Lubuntu Next amd64 rebuild to pick up the metapackage changes? | 19:11 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> question. can we include pcmanfm-qt settings there as well? | 19:12 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, agaida: Was the xdg change made there as well? | 19:13 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I already have the settings. do you want them? | 19:16 |
| agaida | tsimonq2: i had a nice and clear black screen | 19:22 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> @julienlavergne ? | 19:22 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> agaida, it's a "minimalistic screen" | 19:22 |
| agaida | and after choosing the wm a installer icon on the screen | 19:22 |
| agaida | redwolf: the cool thing about is - one can start with an empty task bar - a future proof solution :D | 19:23 |
| gilir | hi agaida | 19:23 |
| agaida | s/task bar/lxqt-panel | 19:23 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> :) xfce does that: "do you want an empty panel or a default one?" gentle | 19:23 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @agaida, I really think this is XDG settings at fault | 19:24 |
| gilir | tsimonq2: no, I'll restart the download after :-) | 19:24 |
| agaida | so what i can say about the meta packages is - looks good for me right now | 19:24 |
| agaida | apt install lubuntu-qt-desktop looks reasonable with no debris in it (given that one use --no-install-recommends) | 19:25 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @gilir, OK :) | 19:26 |
| gilir | redwolf: yes, you can send them to me, but currently lxqt-config doesn't apply gtk settings, so it will be tweaky to apply them | 19:26 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> how does lxappearance work? we need it for gtk | 19:27 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> the qt settings manager should call the other one. otherwise we'll have some apps "naked" | 19:27 |
| gilir | that's not so simple, lxappearance is GTK & C, lxqt-config is Qt + C++, and no way to run lxappearance without the GUI | 19:28 |
| agaida | redwolf: just provide reasonable gtk2 and 3 default to start with | 19:29 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> @gilir, :( | 19:29 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> ok | 19:29 |
| redwolf | gilir, there: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26453603/ | 19:30 |
| agaida | https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/issues/403 - so i guess LXQt 1.0 will have GTK support for themes and so on | 19:35 |
| ubot93 | Issue 403 in lxde/lxqt "Lxqt Appearance, set GTK settings" [Open] | 19:35 |
| agaida | and if one have a look on the date - it really has very high priority | 19:36 |
| redwolf | I always said it's absurd to make end users to have TWO different engines. it's confusing | 19:36 |
| agaida | until then lxappearance is the best bet for openbox | 19:36 |
| redwolf | there's people who don't know what's gtk or qt, and they shouldn't at all | 19:36 |
| redwolf | agaida, but lxappearance can control qt either | 19:36 |
| agaida | nope | 19:37 |
| agaida | in no way | 19:37 |
| redwolf | bidirectional problem | 19:37 |
| agaida | only if qt use the gtk2 themes | 19:37 |
| redwolf | or if you use the gtk-qt-bridge. same things reversed. ugly | 19:38 |
| agaida | and thats a f***ing problem since i started with linux | 19:38 |
| redwolf | yes. as it was the package format. this always was OUR problem in Linux | 19:38 |
| redwolf | the fragmentation | 19:38 |
| agaida | and that was 2009 - also here the best bet is using the qt-gtk theme | 19:38 |
| redwolf | gilir, you got the settings? | 19:39 |
| redwolf | I included the pcmanfm-qt one too | 19:39 |
| gilir | redwolf: yes, thank you | 19:40 |
| redwolf | you're welcome | 19:40 |
| agaida | redwolf: but in the real world™ the gtk thing isn't really a deal breaker - with some reasonable gtk defaults most people don't tinker around with the settings (that was the feedback from siduction users) | 19:42 |
| redwolf | you had no problems at all? | 19:56 |
| redwolf | you're telling me you made possible to load gtk settings in a qt environment, right? | 19:57 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> agaida: So I've been thinking about lxqt-panel more and more... One thing that I think would be good is to have it like other panels where you can add favorites and have your profile pic + name there. If I write the code, is this something that would be accepted? | 20:17 |
| redwolf | tsimonq2, wouldn't you need some setup "manager" for that? | 20:18 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @redwolf, No, the defaults would be sane. | 20:19 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Then you can customize on the panel itself from there. | 20:19 |
| redwolf | and how would you change layouts? | 20:19 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> ...what do you mean? | 20:19 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I'm just thinking about expanding the start menu a bit :) | 20:19 |
| redwolf | ah, I was thinking about a different thing, like MATE, having different layouts (mutiny, gnome2...) | 20:20 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> That's something I'm still thinking about; let's see what happens after gilir gets the default settings working :) | 20:21 |
| redwolf | ok | 20:21 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> It honestly wouldn't be hard to do. | 20:21 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I have some cool ideas for that should it all work out. | 20:22 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> But one thing I want to finish, get packaged, and upload to Ubuntu is the Lubuntu About program. | 20:22 |
| redwolf | YESSS! | 20:24 |
| agaida | tsimonq2: have fun and make the "new" enhanced Version of the main menu optional - like in kde - so one could choose the classic one via the enhanced one | 20:24 |
| agaida | we will see it in 0.13 or 14 then | 20:25 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @agaida, Should enhanced be default or should classic? | 20:25 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @agaida, Alright, cool. | 20:25 |
| agaida | classic - and not to forget - file a bug about so people have a place for opinions about | 20:26 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Ok | 20:27 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> If it's not accepted upstream, I fully expect Lubuntu to carry it downstream. | 20:27 |
| redwolf | where's my audacious-qt?! | 20:28 |
| redwolf | dinner is ready. brb | 20:28 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @redwolf, I'll work on it. | 20:28 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> *burp* | 20:57 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> *cough* | 20:57 |
| -GitHub175:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-default-settings] tsimonq2 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vN6fX | 21:00 | |
| -GitHub175:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master d47b797 Julien Lavergne: Add a symlink from xdg-Lubuntu to xdg-QLubuntu to apply also the settings on QLubuntu session | 21:00 | |
| -GitHub175:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master 6d03722 Julien Lavergne: Fix debian/changelog | 21:00 | |
| gilir | not sure the fix for default-settings is enough, but that should be better | 21:00 |
| agaida | redwolf: re audacious-qt - it isn't primetime ready yet - i was playing with the debian packaging a bit to separate the gtk and qt-part a bit more and cleaner -- after some days i switched back to audacious gtk. I would guess another year until GTK and Qt are feature par and a-Qt is mature enough | 21:01 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> aw, okies :( | 21:02 |
| agaida | debian had another solution to handle the Qt situations - they don't even build the Qt part first hand :P | 21:02 |
| acheronuk | still not? feels like they have been working on the Qt UI for like ever | 21:03 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> qmp then! | 21:03 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> .____. | 21:03 |
| agaida | i don't know how qmmp behave now - but there was a reason why i switched with siduction LXQt to audacious :D | 21:04 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> :) | 21:04 |
| agaida | and i had the latest upstream in siduction for three years - to be honest - there are better opportunities if one want to waste time | 21:05 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I know gilir had ideas for other media players :) | 21:06 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> I don't :| | 21:06 |
| gilir | well ... actually I don't :-( The only ones I know on Qt are Clementine and Amarok ... | 21:07 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Amarok is dead upstream and will be removed when Qt 4 is removed from Debian | 21:07 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Clementine might work | 21:08 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I'm still inclined to go with VLC, actually. | 21:08 |
| agaida | clementine is a fine choice - ok, not exactly lightweight and qt4 too | 21:08 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Kubuntu uses it. | 21:08 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @agaida, I'm -1 because it's Qt 4 | 21:08 |
| agaida | apt show clementine | 21:08 |
| agaida | right | 21:08 |
| acheronuk | Amorok is being ported, but seems to have stalled again in that | 21:08 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> gilir: What objections did you have to VLC? | 21:08 |
| acheronuk | babe and elisa have promise | 21:09 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I know it's a really popular media player, I use it too. | 21:09 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Honestly I know VLC is the de-facto choice for a lot of people, much like LibreOffice | 21:10 |
| gilir | smplayer has better performance, less cpu to play the same movie | 21:10 |
| acheronuk | gilir: but a F ugly default UI | 21:10 |
| gilir | and the VLC UI sucks :-p | 21:10 |
| agaida | erm - while we talk about Qt4 - one should have a look at the libreoffice choice - libreoffice-kde will go away soon - it is dead | 21:10 |
| gilir | acheronuk: agree, but it can be changed | 21:10 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @agaida, Yep, I've been keeping my eye on that | 21:11 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> LibreOffice looks awful, btw, in Lubuntu Next | 21:11 |
| acheronuk | agaida: LO 6 should have Qt5 VCL | 21:11 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @gilir, Honestly, I prefer the VLC UI. | 21:11 |
| lubot1 | And like I said, the upside is that it's very popular :) | 21:11 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, I hope so! | 21:11 |
| agaida | erm - not soon | 21:12 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> When will LO 6 come out? | 21:12 |
| gilir | tsimonq2: the UI can be changed, my only real point is about performance | 21:13 |
| agaida | when it is released https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0 | 21:13 |
| gilir | if performances were equal, I'll be agree to go with VLC (and hope we can find a good UI / theme ...) | 21:14 |
| agaida | https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/libr/libreoffice/control-16.0.0rc2-1 - just search for Qt | 21:14 |
| acheronuk | LO 6 is scheduled end of January | 21:14 |
| agaida | and i will talk with the maintainer about libre office beginning of march at the CLT 2018 | 21:15 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @gilir, Out of curiosity, what stats do you have regarding VLC performance? | 21:16 |
| acheronuk | I asked libroffice uploaders before Xmas, and they seemed to think V6 would definitely go in 18.04 | 21:16 |
| agaida | but right now the Qt Frontend isn't release ready - and LO6 will hit sid on release date - and we all hope to have it in sid as soon as possible | 21:16 |
| agaida | s/sid/experimental | 21:16 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> If the performance is just slightly less gilir, it shouldn't make much of a difference. But if it's a lot, then yeah. | 21:17 |
| acheronuk | that is annoying. I lost tack with that. last I heard LO devs had asked KDE devs for help getting the UI up to speed. guess not much help happened | 21:17 |
| wxl | sed: -e expression #1, char 13: unterminated `s' command | 21:17 |
| gilir | tsimonq2: try to play the same video with both player, you will see | 21:18 |
| acheronuk | to be blunt, the gtk LO VCL is now better than than the KDE4 one. | 21:18 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @gilir, I have, with little difference :) | 21:18 |
| acheronuk | which is a painful truth | 21:18 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, We might go with that temporarily then until the Qt 5 frontend gets better. | 21:19 |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: I am seriously wondering for Kubuntu, as the KDE4 one is getting quite bad | 21:20 |
| acheronuk | and especially does not take dark themes well | 21:20 |
| gilir | tsimonq2: last time I checked it was 30 - 40 % better, of course on small % because I have good CPU | 21:21 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @gilir, OK, I'll check it out. | 21:21 |
| acheronuk | yes, smplayer can be made to look ok https://i.imgur.com/mNSAnkK.png | 21:22 |
| agaida | and i might not be the most clever developer in the world - but for now i prefer nice working GTK solutions combined with LXQt over Qt only and crappy - and that count even more because some big applications rely on GTK already | 21:22 |
| agaida | esp there is no secure and well maintained browser available in Qt (and please don't mention the upcoming falcon as secure) | 21:23 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> About that... | 21:24 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I've been talking with the security team | 21:24 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> We can make it work | 21:24 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> So I'll stand behind Falkon being secure on this one :P | 21:24 |
| agaida | falcon will be secure if it is possible that qt.io is following the chromium development with less than one week delay | 21:24 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> And they are, iirc. | 21:25 |
| agaida | hihihi - and when QtWebengine will hit the distributions - having patched sources is one thing | 21:25 |
| agaida | ... | 21:25 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I can make it work | 21:27 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I'm telling you :P | 21:27 |
| lubot1 | <acheronuk> assuming you can, can you guarentee that can be mantained for lifetime of a LTS release? | 21:29 |
| gilir | tsimonq2: let me know the result of your testing, perf may have changed since I tested them | 21:30 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Ok | 21:31 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Yes. | 21:31 |
| lubot1 | * acheronuk raises eyebrow | 21:31 |
| agaida | ok - back to reality - last chromium update in QtWebengine 5.9.2 was 17. Sept. 17 or so | 21:35 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I'm not focusing on Artful for QtWebEngine security updates | 21:36 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Only Bionic | 21:36 |
| agaida | lifetime half a year - cool | 21:36 |
| lubot1 | <acheronuk> that is still a very ambitous commitment | 21:36 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Not really. | 21:37 |
| lubot1 | <acheronuk> It is, unless it is being back officially by ubuntu security teams | 21:38 |
| lubot1 | <acheronuk> *backed | 21:38 |
| wxl | are redwolf and i the only ones that totally hate the desktop pager? | 22:02 |
| wxl | they just look so..... plain | 22:02 |
| wxl | (lxqt btw) | 22:02 |
| redwolf | booooooooring | 22:03 |
| redwolf | I prefer the "squared" ones, not just plane numbers. and having a visual representation of the windows is also handy | 22:03 |
| wxl | i think even if they were visually more like desktops (as with lxpanel) it might be at least a wee bit more appealing | 22:03 |
| redwolf | like diz: https://lescahiersdudebutant.fr/jessie/index-en-img/index-en-img93.png | 22:05 |
| redwolf | that'd be enough | 22:05 |
| wxl | yeah | 22:05 |
| redwolf | wxl says it's possible using the current code | 22:05 |
| redwolf | right? | 22:05 |
| wxl | well with a few tweaks | 22:05 |
| redwolf | aha | 22:05 |
| wxl | visually all that is, relative to what we already have is a fixed (non expanding) area, with a specific color | 22:06 |
| wxl | although it ALSO has the windows | 22:06 |
| wxl | that will take more i believe | 22:06 |
| redwolf | it should take the accent colour of the theme | 22:06 |
| redwolf | aka "selection colour" | 22:06 |
| wxl | i'm not sure i grok this enough to know where the color is even coming from. obviously, it seems to match the panel color | 22:07 |
| redwolf | I'm sure that colour variable is being used in the code | 22:08 |
| wxl | yeah it's just not entirely obvuious | 22:08 |
| redwolf | yes, tsimonq2, I said COLOUR .___. | 22:09 |
| wxl | i can say this is where the expanding size comes from https://github.com/lxde/lxqt-panel/blob/master/plugin-desktopswitch/desktopswitchbutton.cpp#L43 | 22:10 |
| wxl | and it does look like you can choose not to use a label https://github.com/lxde/lxqt-panel/blob/master/plugin-desktopswitch/desktopswitchbutton.cpp#L56 | 22:10 |
| redwolf | so it's a switch | 22:11 |
| wxl | it seems like (not a c++ expert) the button is inheriting things from a parent https://github.com/lxde/lxqt-panel/blob/master/plugin-desktopswitch/desktopswitchbutton.cpp#L37 | 22:11 |
| wxl | and there is some style function (assumedly from QStyle) that allows it to change color with alerts https://github.com/lxde/lxqt-panel/blob/master/plugin-desktopswitch/desktopswitchbutton.cpp#L81 | 22:13 |
| wxl | is there a problem with the current lubuntu-next iso? | 22:32 |
| wxl | it just dies on boot in vbox 5.2.6-120293~Ubuntu~trusty | 22:32 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Yes | 22:33 |
| wxl | what's the deal? | 22:34 |
| agaida | get a working vbox - thats the primary problem - secondary problem is the, erm, strange design right now | 22:35 |
| wxl | oh vbox works fine, actually | 22:35 |
| lubot1 | * tsimonq2 nods | 22:36 |
| agaida | ok - more verbose about - if you get finally a black screen, the iso is started correctly, only the settings are messed up | 22:36 |
| wxl | no, i mean it crashes | 22:37 |
| agaida | could you provide a log? | 22:37 |
| wxl | i get to the GRUB menu and then if i select try or install it dies | 22:37 |
| wxl | a vbox log, sure | 22:37 |
| wxl | actually even the old check disc for defects fails | 22:38 |
| agaida | right now i have a problem with vbox (upstream) - and it might be a kernel problem to, in my case it is - dkms don't like some migitation patches in my kernel or the provided headers | 22:38 |
| agaida | beside of that - the current iso just work fine with kvm | 22:39 |
| * agaida will just fix his vbox | 22:39 | |
| wxl | harumph | 22:39 |
| wxl | xp works.. a super old precise lubuntu works... | 22:41 |
| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> That's because those are OLD :) | 22:42 |
| wxl | weird that there's nothing on the tracker suggesting problems | 22:45 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> @gilir, Yes | 22:55 |
| wxl | yeah it is something with the current kernel. harumph | 23:25 |
| wxl | the guest kernel | 23:26 |
| wxl | that's weird. haven't had that one yet | 23:26 |
| agaida | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWssLQSlRdQ | 23:28 |
| agaida | todays image | 23:28 |
| agaida | current vbox, kernel 4.14.15 | 23:29 |
| wxl | so what ended up fixing it? | 23:30 |
| agaida | i had to delete a line in the kernel headers - a unmotivated retpolline mention - and rebuild the kernel objects | 23:30 |
| agaida | and after that just start the vm from the ispo | 23:31 |
| wxl | this is upstream vbox yah? | 23:31 |
| agaida | this is upstream - sid and debians vbox aren't good ideas - esp if one run his own kernel | 23:31 |
| agaida | you might notice some lxde packages in the iso and lightdm as dm - fixed yesterday, unfortunately the newest meta packages wasn't used in that build | 23:33 |
| agaida | so the remaining problems are "only" some settings | 23:33 |
| agaida | ok, not exactly release ready, but very usable - if one can start it and know the beast | 23:34 |
| wxl | heh we don't even have 4.14 in bionic | 23:35 |
| agaida | :) - thats one point in siduction - we don't use the debian kernel - ok, we borrow some settings now and then - but we manage a set of patches from the upstream queue and so on | 23:37 |
| agaida | and if we like something - we just throw it in :P | 23:37 |
| wxl | so it seems the fix was the kernel | 23:38 |
| agaida | thats esp. helpful when it comes to patches or minor glitches - get a patch, apply it, upload it - and just update the system 25 mins later | 23:39 |
| wxl | but we have an older kernel and it still seems to be a problem | 23:39 |
| wxl | i'm on 4.4.0 | 23:39 |
| agaida | two possible choices - try upstream vbox or kvm - at least kvm should work fine without glitches | 23:39 |
| wxl | i am using upstream vbox | 23:39 |
| wxl | i always do | 23:40 |
| agaida | strangse | 23:40 |
| agaida | e | 23:40 |
| agaida | grr | 23:40 |
| wxl | and yes i can use kvm but that doesn't necessarily fix whatever problem there is with vbox | 23:40 |
| wxl | it seems to be something specific about the image that's failing | 23:40 |
| agaida | but your current problem is vbox and not the iso | 23:40 |
| wxl | the most current artful (17.10.1) works fine | 23:41 |
| agaida | the iso work fine even in Microsofts hyper-v | 23:41 |
| wxl | and the problem is not restricted to lubuntu | 23:41 |
| agaida | so i guess that you are not running the latest bionic on your workhorse? | 23:43 |
| wxl | nope | 23:43 |
| agaida | :) - sorry, no experiences with stable systems | 23:44 |
| wxl | and its not restricted to ubiquity either | 23:46 |
| wxl | alternate fails just the same | 23:46 |
| agaida | hmm - strange | 23:53 |
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