[04:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> 6.4mb bionic update
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> !info cheese bionic
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-pulls-intel-s-microcode-update-from-ubuntu-repos-due-to-hardware-issue-519494.shtml
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> !info intel-microcode
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> !info shim
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> !find shim
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> !info shim bionic
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> weird apt-cache shows
[04:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yup .. wierd .
[06:39] <Bashing-om> nite nite - do this no more for now ... \o
[06:44] <EriC^^> morning guys
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:48] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:48] <EriC^^> how are you?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> fine here mate
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> browsing ubuntu news a bit
[06:51] <EriC^^> cool
[06:51] <EriC^^> just woke up here
[06:51] <EriC^^> its raining
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> here also
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> this taterots guy with is yes or no questions..
[06:52] <EriC^^> lol
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> always starts with inxi overkill for any issue
[06:53] <EriC^^> xD
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/22/how-to-price-cryptocurrencies/
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> was on lxer
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[07:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:22] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:28] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:28] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:39] <ducasse> hi lordievader, i'm good, thanks - how about you?
[07:39] <lordievader> Doing good here 😀
[07:39] <lordievader> How is the snow?
[07:40] <ducasse> we had a bit of rain yesterday, so some of it has melted, but there's still tons left
[07:57] <lordievader> Lovely
[08:01] <ducasse> i'm pretty fed up with it, tbh - will be nice when it disappears :)
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> bbl work, have a nice1 guys
[08:24] <lordievader> ducasse: It will.. some day... i guess 😋
[08:28] <EriC^^> an uprising happening in #ubuntu
[08:33] <ducasse> huh, i wonder where that came from?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:57] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[12:57] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader, good thanks. and you?
[12:58] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[13:11] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:14] <lordievader> Hey pauljw
[13:14] <lordievader> How are you?
[13:15] <pauljw> hi lordievader, doing well thx.  :)  you?
[13:15] <lordievader> Doing good 🙂
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[13:25] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[14:57] <hggdh> interesting. RH/CentOS reverted the microcode updates, and now are directing customers elsewhere to find Spectre-resitant microcode
[14:58] <hggdh> " [...] must obtains and install updated microcode from their hardware vendor immediately."
[15:00] <TJ-> hggdh: makes sense; distro getting it in the neck for regressions due to Intel -> pass blame to Intel
[15:01] <TJ-> On the bright side the microcode updates for Linux may be unnecesasry
[15:01] <TJ-> Looks like we can have an in-kernel, 0-cost, solution
[15:04] <hggdh> TJ-: yeah. But passing the bucket to the hardware vendor is incorrect as well
[15:05] <hggdh> (and an in-kernel solution does not resolve the issue outside Linux)
[15:05] <TJ-> But that's the only way things can be certified, especially in the Enterprise space
[15:05] <TJ-> hggdh: right, but in-kernel means Linux doesn't suffer a performance hit but still avoids Spectre issues
[15:07] <hggdh> oh yes. I actually do not, personally, care for other OSes. A good question, though, is what will happen after the no-performance kernel fix meets updated microcode?
[15:09] <TJ-> as I understand it, nothing, since if the kernel doesn't use the IBRS/IBPB MSRs then speculation will be unchanged.
[15:10] <TJ-> Just that Ingo's idea of using the existing ftrace mechanics means minial patching of kernel and get can prevent issuing instructions that cause the vulnerabilities
[15:10] <TJ-> s/minial/minimal/
[15:11] <hggdh> the best of both worlds, then. Good.
[15:12] <TJ-> there are extra issues for SkyLake CPUs due to the branch predictor buffer depth but there is some suggestion of ways to track that too
[17:06] <ducasse> good evening, oerheks - all well with drabber and you?
[17:06] <oerheks> heya ducasse
[17:06] <oerheks> yeah, he mised me today
[17:07] <oerheks> as the weather was soft, 13'C .. i went for cleaning windows, for myself and some neighbours :-D
[17:07] <oerheks> 4 hrs long, but now i am tired and satisfied
[17:08] <oerheks> some weather gave fatty rain, and showed up on our windows, ugly
[17:08] <ducasse> +6°C here, snow is melting
[17:09] <oerheks> sounds good, unless lower temperatures are comming and freezing it up again
[17:10] <ducasse> that's what i'm afraid of
[17:11] <BluesKaj> we had a thaw for almost 2 weeks, most of the snow disappeared , then we had a storm on Mon and got about 15cm/6" ..it's clear and cool today at -7C
[17:11] <oerheks> this little heatwave can cause serious flu problems
[17:11] <oerheks> i am coughing too..
[17:12] <oerheks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rakm5ypjedmyaob/2018Drabber-wil-fietsen3.JPG?dl=0
[17:16] <ducasse> cute little fellow :)
[17:17] <oerheks> He wants to ride the bicycle/cargobike
[17:17] <oerheks> he thinks: if i stick to the bike, everything will be alright :-D
[17:18] <oerheks> i can leave it open in front of a shop, he will bark if someone approaches :-D
[17:18] <oerheks> vicious
[17:22] <ducasse> hehe, i'm sure he can scare almost anyone away - or at least he thinks so :)
[17:41] <oerheks> but he will not bite, just show skills ..
[17:41] <BluesKaj> well, I'm to see my physician ...later
[17:41] <oerheks> and it is a kind of game, if i bark, what do you do?
[17:42] <oerheks> later BluesKaj
[17:45] <ducasse> good luck, BluesKaj
[17:45] <ducasse> oerheks: he's just pretending to be big and tough?
[18:02] <oerheks> yes, behind a door you would expect a big bad bulldog or steffer
[18:02] <oerheks> not a brain-as-big-as-a-bean-dog
[18:03] <oerheks> ( says a chihuahua-owner)
[18:07] <ducasse> luna just wants anyone who enters to pet her, not much of an attack cat
[18:16] <hggdh> it is an attract dog
[18:53] <nicomachus> leftyfb: I was just trying to see what the partition table state was, but if you think you know what's going on and want to keep interfering, go ahead. I'm going to lunch.
[18:53] <leftyfb> nicomachus: sorry, but it just seems you were completely ignoring a read-only filesystem. That is problem #1 and should be address before anything else. The symptoms of that are almost infinite.
[18:55] <nicomachus> and checking the partition table was a simple first step, but forget it. you know what you're doing I guess.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> 0.
[22:15] <Ben64> welp thats enough #ubuntu for now
[22:16] <Ben64> i'm a jerk because i tried to save a dude's files
[22:17] <TJ-> Ben64: best thing is just to ignore them when they get argumentative; don't take it personally. For every abusive user there's 20 that appreciate your help
[22:18] <Ben64> i don't get people sometimes
[22:18] <Ben64> at least at my other job i can kick em out if they pull anything like that
[22:18] <Ben64> machine shop, if they don't take my advice they get to leave
[22:19] <Ben64> because i don't want to deal with severed limbs or whatever
[22:19] <Ben64> anyway, lunch time!
[22:20] <TJ-> mmmm, save some for me... almost my supper time :)
[22:29] <hggdh> Ben64: he *got* pulled out, and had a chat with ops elsewhere.
[22:30] <hggdh> this is why he was allowed to return
[22:30] <hggdh> actually, he was just quieted, IIRC
[22:30] <nacc> yes, just +/- q