 Nice website update!
 Beatiful touch on new website update!
 @Georgecloon, If a retail model, you may need repartitioning
 Awesome website update
 (Sticker, 392x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ZHIsOjnz/file_3904
 Good job @Ralf_W and marketing team!
[04:02] <tgBot1> Sumeet Kumar was added by: Sumeet Kumar
[04:02] <tgBot1> <Sumeet Kumar> So can I try to install UBports on my LGv20 even though its not on the list?
[04:44] <tgBot1> ByebyeMan was added by: ByebyeMan
 @Sumeet Kumar, Welcome!  Probably not is best quickest answer but things will get better with Halium project
 By the way sumeet and caboose check out this link for new members https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[05:09] <tgBot1> apessss was added by: apessss
 Help dualboot android and ubuntu on nexus 5
 @apessss, try MultiROM, but you have to be rooted
 @Javacookies, already but can not
 what do you mean you can't? we need details 😉
 and just a note, it's not a supported way of installing Ubuntu Touch...installing directly is still the recommended way
 @dohbee, How do I know if it is a retail model and if so, how can I repartition?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> any news on anbox support release yet?
[08:58] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Just saw the new webpage - nice work!
 https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-2/
 With images of UT
 I'm not seeing images of UT in that post.
 https://puri.sm/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/peterk-artwork.jpg
 RIght... but that's not UT 😊
 ups, i am driving and I saw our volit
 My mistake, I appologize
 it's a well-chosen color scheme :)
 It is a similar coloured lock screen/wallpaper though
 @rogieroudshoorn, The nicer one
 it does look nothing like vanilla gnome that they run on the laptops though
[09:26] <tgBot1> lukasz124 was added by: lukasz124
 Lotus, it is still being built, so you will have to wait a while for a release that can be used
 Hi @lukasz124! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 Łukasz are you a Polish speaker?
 Hi! Thanks. Yes - I'm polish.
 We want to start a group in Polish. We have lots of language groups
 @wayneoutthere I'm surfing right now into the new Ubports site and I have to say it's awesome. Good job guys! I noticed the main developers too quite in the past weeks and I was hoping they were preparing something exciting....and this starts answering to my expectations 😉
 @popescu_sorin ehi Popescu, I saw you uploading several updates for Balls 2, it's fantastic! I think this is the best game available for UT, it is addictive. But, just a question, why did you choose that icon with a sad ball? I mean, it doesn't represent much what the game is about. Just curiosity 😇
 @mattbel10, at that time it was better than no icon :D i'll make a better one soon
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/9tm0cMb9/file_3905
 @mattbel10 https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/fishyshooter.briketa fishy is a nicer game but i don't know when i'll find more free time to finish it
 @popescu_sorin, ahahahah however, I love your app and your work in general with UT. Thank you indeed!
 thanks! :D
 @popescu_sorin, I know, I also play at that...it's good too...I really like the retro philosophy 😝
[11:12] <tgBot1> jakko was added by: jakko
 @Georgecloon, Retail are the bar or meizu devices. Not sure if fp2 has partition changes, but I think not
 Err. Bq, not bar
 Hi @jakko! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get all the neccessary information and feel free to ask any question,especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @dohbee, Oh, yeah I get it now. I didn't specify what device. Does the OnePlus One have partition changes?
 No
 The redisigned website is a great improvement. Looks great and a lot easier to find what you're looking for. 👍
 The new website is verry nice just one thing below the page need to set one spce between this OurPrivacy Policy ...;)
 @dohbee, Ok so just a regular LineageOS install
 Thanks
 @milkor73, I can't see why you thought that phone on the right was UT.... haha.  WHY DON"T THEY JUST USE UT AND JOIN US???
 @mattbel10, sure. i'm just the announcer and edit a few paragraphs.  there is a whole team of hard workers behind it but feel free to stream feedback to me since I can assemble it all (for now) while our marketing team gets more organized (happening quickly this month!)  And thanks very much for the feedback and we look forward to you doing cool stuff for the project.  If I can help, let us know (UBFR team)
 @mattbel10, we should make all of UT retro.  That would be dope.  Retro Theme
 ... like running a full muscle car in a 1930s car exterior.
 I know... must do other things first.  :(
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/O50mkAxm/file_3906.mp4
 @wayneoutthere, I can suspend my disbelief that the line can change shape, but the fact that gravity changes out of no where makes this animation extremely frustrating for me
 i know. i watched it for at least 1 minute straight with pure enjoyment
 this represents Ubuntu Touch 2.0!
 Or... it represents .. me.... and my personal desire for 8bit and the old skool
[13:26] <tgBot1> <Amal Jose Thomaz Palackan> Is redmi note 4 supported?
 Is it just me, or have Telegram notifications stopped working in UT? I know there has been a switch of notification server from Canonical to UBPorts, but I thought it was up and running.
 @TomasOqvist, For me is working
 Do I have to do anything to make it work? I am on OTA3 on OPO. Telegram version 2.5.2.0
[14:25] <tgBot1> A_Yadav91 was added by: A_Yadav91
 @A_Yadav91, Hello Amit and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 telegram notifications are not good for me in android either. often will not get them until i open the app
 bahasa indonesia ada gak i not speak english
 @TomasOqvist, It happens also to me from to time. A reboot fixes it for me. I've also noticed that if I'm reading Telegaram in some other device, the notifications arrive to the phone with a delay.
 @apessss, please join @ubports_ind
 @dohbee, Ok thanks
 @dohbee, TG notifications are working good for me in UT but in my Iphone most of the times I have to open the app to receive the notifications..
 hey guys for some reason the file manager doesnt work on 16.04 nexus 5
 whhyyy
 its knowing bug, not yet fixed
 oh boyy
 :P
 Is the file system supposed to be read only
 yes
 the rootfs is anyway
 the home dir is writable of course
 can I make it not read only?
 or actually better question, is using apt a bad idea
 using apt is generally a bad idea, yes
 the phone images are not designed to be upgraded with apt and such
 but is possible to use apt
 since right now it doesnt work
 well, what do you want to use it for?
 it's possible to do anything, as it's all open source
 but i would not advise making the rootfs writable and using apt
 Just for messing around, really
 so how would I make the rootfs rw
 @seshpenguin, sudo mount -oremount,rw /
 if you're okay taking the risk to mess up your installation then go ahead
 @Javacookies, its fine I got this phone just to test
 But like @dohbee says: I don't advise it.
 you can easily search for the command to make the rootfs temporarily writable
 Alright thanks guys 😄
 I do it so I don't condone it 😝
 Really, you should likely be looking at libertine
 ohhh
 actually I would say it's really fun like having sa rasoberry pi 😁
 Or just a chroot
 @alan_griffiths Hi Alan, do libertine works with N5 now?
 @malditobastardo, I don't know. I've always used a chroot for messing about. But I've been told on good authority libertine is the thing to recommend.
 But I formed my bad(?) habits in the very early days.
 😹😹😹
 Great, thank you sir.
 on another note, if I have music playing from one app (like the browser), can I make it so it playing the the background
 Sadly the last time I used, Libertine was not working in N5, I think is still a bug
 @seshpenguin, Download UT Tweak tool and select the browser to work in background
 @malditobastardo, should work (on 15.04 at least)
 ...well the app store has no apps apperently .-.
 @alan_griffiths, it depends on how complex the apps are, which you wish to run. more complex CLI stuff or any GUI stuff, libertine is definitely better. If you just need to compile stuff on the device or such, chroot is probably better option
 @seshpenguin, find someone to finish the integration work to make that just work by default.
 the app store has plenty of apps
 @dohbee, Hi Rodney, how are you? You remember we discussed about this a few months ago? https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/22
 Its just happening with Nexus 5
 @malditobastardo, yes, but i can't create a container on my n5, because it has no network
 just tryed too.. and apps keep crashing..
 yeah, but i can't test it myself, so no idea. there's no reason that should be an issue on nexus 5
 I guess they won't be using gtk and gnome for this?  … So they'll probably base it on Ubuntu Touch or KDE Plasma mobile.  … I think Ubuntu Touch with its projects, core devs and community would be a better choice for Purism. That said, have they been reaching out to UBports?  Can anybody offer some more info on this? … Everyone says how they partnered with kde and for some reason Gnome but it seems to me they will go with Unity8 and we are 
[18:27] <tgBot1> about it. … https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-2/
 i've seen no actual crash logs, so hard to say. there's one comment on that gh issue, which has a bit of a log, which suggets xmir can't talk to mir
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/262/desktop-apps/67
 Followed your instructions then reinstalled firefox and libreoffice to -i applications. Restarted phone and the problem is still there. tap on app to open it, get black screen with app name, screen goes totally black, shuts down and back to the X app scope. Logviewer has the following … (EE) … fatal service error: … (EE)failed to conect to Mir:failed to connect:not accepted by server … (EE)
 Its mir related It seems like it
 @malditobastardo, TG open or closed, I don't get any notifications. Not with a delay either.
 it sounds like Xmir isn't connecting to the Mir socket, says not accepted by server which implies that the connection to Mir was rejected.
 @AresMinos, looks like they are using gnome. they've always wanted to use gnome. they are using gnome by default.
 @TomasOqvist, Delete cache, config files, restart your phone
 @malditobastardo, I'll try that.
 @malditobastardo, right
 @dohbee, Look at those mockups, that can't be done with GTK+
 @AresMinos, Yes it can.
 It's not trivial, and I'm not sure they will deliver that next january, but there is nothing impossible about doing that UI with GTK+
 @dohbee, How? You can't make a convergent app let alone a whole shell, there are no grid units, no pages etc.
 yes you can
 there aren't grid units in qt either. that's something we added on top in ubuntu-ui-toolkit
 Good evening, someone he did was find is that causes this error
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/QuFUvJC1/file_3914.png
 @dohbee, So how would someone go about creating a convergent app in gtk+? For the gtk+ and extend it?
 (Photo, 500x150) https://irc.ubports.com/vNbMB1dZ/file_3916.jpg
 known bug
 what are you trying to download?
 @AresMinos, the same way would in any toolkit. "just f*ing do it"
 Sound Cloud
 Music
 can you please enter the openstore group?
 report the bug there
 @dohbee, Lol, you argue something without any points. And when asked, you provide no single argument nor a solution. You just talk and talk.
 there is a lot of report on bug but no answer ..
 @AresMinos, lol, i've been developing gtk+ for 20 years
 adobe uses gtk+ in flash
 lots of gtk+ apps have custom widgets
 anyone can build anything on top of gtk+ if they want to
 whether it's the right thing to do or not, is a separate question
 @malditobastardo, Cleared cache, rebooted, opened TG on phone, enabled notifications for this group. Still nothing.
 @dohbee, But they will be stuck with maintaining it then. I don't believe gnome will just accept anything Purism comes up with or wants. It is inevitable that if they do it with gtk+ there will be a divergence with the upstream and will become hard to maintain as time goes by.
 well, that's a risk/cost
 but you're claiming things "can't be done" with absolutely no supporting data for that argument. if you want properly converged apps, you're going to have to build on top of existing toolkits, or write an entirely new one, regardless of the toolkit.
 qt does have some better APIs for this already, and it's gotten much better the past few years, yes
 @dohbee, That's why I say they won't go with gnome, they would be mad to go for gtk+ and risk what happened to Unity7. Gnome accepted Ubuntu again and are refusing to accept some Ubuntu related patches already.
 but that doesn't mean puri.sm has to make entirely rational decisions for everything
 puri.sm wants gnome.
 @TomasOqvist, notifications were working for you in the past? this is just a new problem since today or it was forever?
 anyway, what puri.sm decides to ship by default or not, is a bit off topic for this channel
 @malditobastardo, Yes, notifications used to work.
 @dohbee, I know that they say that, but I'm not sure gnome wants them. Gnome is just a code that RedHat doesn't want to properly pay anyone to maintain. They have no interest in Purism nor their phones.
 @AresMinos, i don't think "they" (management) care. RedHat is paying plenty of people to maintain GNOME.
 GNOME will probably take some fixes, and not others, just as they do with anything else.
 Qt/KDE wouldn't accept every change puri.sm wanted to make to get their default design either.
 nor would they take Ubuntu's
 but if you want to keep discussing this, let's please take it to @ubports_ot
 @TomasOqvist, strange, it used to happen to a few people in other groups and clearing cache, config files etc, did the trick
 maybe deleting some hidden folders but I dont know
 😿
 @TomasOqvist, Please take a look into your .cache folder for the push client log, upload to pastebin & send
 @malditobastardo, Maybe a clean install of the phone some day, but not now. It is my daily driver.
 @dohbee, Not nearly enough, they introduce the code they don't want to maintain and just leave it to gnome to do the free labor. At this point I'll yield. Ty.
 you do realize that 60-70% of the GNOME maintainers are RH employees, right?
 (if not more0
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 @dohbee, And are not paid for gnome stuff last time cossimo was asked about it. And that is tthe problem of gnome, it's basically RedHat dominating and preventing other contributors and their efforts unless they go in the redhats direction. I'll let you respond to this and let's call it a day then :)
 @AresMinos, I will hijack the topic: Thats why we still need unity. Market dominance is no good
 rh definitely wants gnome to go in gnome's direction. i don't know what cosi's job is exactly at rh these days, but yes, not all employees who are gnome maintainers, may necessarily be employed on the desktop team (or whatever they call it now)
 err
 wants gnome to go in redhat's direction
 @Flohack, unity8 = yay
 @Flohack, i would generally disagree. we don't need unity to thin the market. we need unity 8 because of what it is (and to become the dominant in the market)
 but unity8 needs a lot of work
 and the work it really needs, isn't really happening
 it's a gelatinous blob
 we need a billionaire to support us 😆
 HI folks, I was posting yesterday about  not being able to switch to 16.04 by running … ```system-image-cli --switch ubports-touch/16.04/devel``` … The output I get is : … ```b'ML003942\n' … Exception occurred during update; see log file for details``` … I tried it again today, the log for /var/log/system-image/client.log here to https://paste.ubuntu.com/26459997/ … I ran the command a couple of times so output repeats. … I can't sp
[19:04] <tgBot1> useful. Would folks mind taking a quick look?
 please please please split up long multiline posts into multiple posts
 Ok, I've seen you say that before. I thought you didn't like multi-point posts, rather than long posts. Will avoid doing this in the future.
 that looks like it's only checking for updates in the current 15.04 rc channel, in that log
 thanks
 yeah, that is what it looks like. I've pasted the command in here that I used so don't know what's going on.
 Thought for a sec that it might be because I didn't add the device suffix but … ```system-image-cli --switch ubports-touch/16.04/devel/freiza``` … isn't any more sucessful.
 @padraic7a, both really. there is an irc bridge here, and so to be more accessible to people using irc, it is best to keep comments short
 sure, will do.
 it also makes it easier for people on tg/matrix to reply to specific points
 try with sudo?
 @dohbee, finally
 freedonm
 to
 hit
 my
 enter
 key
 more
 with sudo the output is just … ```b'ML003942\n'```
 Device isn't updating or anything though.
 I'll check the logs now
 that is quite weird
 @padraic7a, try `system-image-cli -vvvv --switch ubports-touch/16.04/devel` instead perhaps
 that should print out a lot more status to console where you run it
 actually the command might still be running. After b'ML003942\n' it hasn't returned to the prompt.
 Nothing seems to be happening on the tablet but I'll let this continute .
 @wayneoutthere, Do I need to take moderator action against you, Wayne?
 ah ok
 @UniversalSuperBox, yeah and he'll put it in the news 😆
 @dohbee, this one is broken, I also could not switch my N5
 It seems we screwed up smth
 hmm
 i mean, i can't --switch on my n5, because it has no usable network
 but i've done --switch a whole bunch of times on my n4 before, with the ubuntu system-image server
 I don't think the sudo command was doing aanything so I killed it. Here's the output of running the command with the verbose flags: … https://paste.ubuntu.com/26460141/
 @TomasOqvist, You need an UbuntuOne account to make notifications work
 on the off chance that output from the sudo command is deful i have pasted it here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26460165/
 @dohbee, I tried as specified and can just say it wont work. Reason is that it cannot download the pgp keys. There is a problem of not being able to either read the dir or store them
 If you create them manually it works. I remember now
 how do you do that?
 @Stereofont, Oh, but I have. For a long time. And it is activated in system settings user accounts too.
 @Flohack, i've seen that problem before, but that's not what's happening for @padraic7a afaict from the pasted logs
 Ok then I dunno ^^
 trying to think of anything non-standard i did to my tablet. I messed around with repo sources before, but can't see how that would do anything
 Get some sleep and I'll bet you'll fix it next week 🙂
 not sure
 hmm now if I try to update through the gui it spends ages checking.
 I think maybe that sudo command was working.
 I'll try it again, just with -vvvv and I'll let it run till it ends
 it seems to be working now. Thanks for the help @dohbee
 I should just have let it run with sudo earlier.
 no problem
 @Javacookies, That reminds me! I think since UBports is now a foundation it is eligible to apply for EU funding and we may be talking millions here. It is a project that is doing inovation in open source, based in EU with a large community.  … All that could be presented in the application for the EU funds and I think it is a no-brainer for them to approve UBports for EU funding. … Whatcha thinking?
 @Flohack @dohbee ^
 Good except that we are still no foundation, we just applied to become one ^^
 i think you need to befriend your 'Enter' key
 but yeah, i don't think ubports is a foundation yet
 it's just some people on the internets, still
 also, i know basically nothing about EU laws or any grant funding, related to such NGOs
 @Flohack, When you become one, have you had any taks about exploring this direction?  … It there anybody with experience in this in the community?
 @dohbee you're not from EU?
 @AresMinos, Yes we have filed all documents, and we got legal advice. No worries, just German processing takes a while
 little bit OT, but maybe in the future could be of application. … https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/29/announcing-the-initial-release-of-mozillas-open-source-speech-recognition-model-and-voice-dataset/
 @j2g2rp, Mycroft.ai is already working with them, and in their Kickstarter they pledged to support Ubuntu Touch. We're all still waiting to see that tho :P
 yeah that's why I noticed 😂, i readed that mycroft mark II will launch with mozilla deepspeech. I didn't known the proyect untill now
 they pledhed to support ubuntu touch? I didn't noticed about that
 pledged*
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/AjCeGxpf/file_3918.jpg
 At the time, they were talking Unity8 and their ex CTO Ryan Sipes announced it and talked about it in multiple interviews.
 @AresMinos, cool, looks nice. … I saw some betas in unity 7, but i didn't know that that was a goal
 I saw a demo by @mariogrip on Ubuntu Touch, but it was just him having fun with it.
 The new website is very nice :)
 @AresMinos, nope
 @dohbee, Cea culpa then.
 @dohbee, Mea culpa then.
 @dohbee, What do you think it needs? And what needs to be in place to do that?
 It needs some stripping down, and rewriting to move all the logic out of the qml
 And getting rid of some of the external deps, to improve the design and make for faster/smoother interface
 Is it work that you think is achievable now? Work for two people for months? Dozens of people?
 At some point it also needs to be rewritten to MirAL
 @UniversalSuperBox, That rework should be limited to QtMir and can happen independently. (I'm not sure how much of my work towards this got merged into the ubports version.)
 If all the Mir code is on github now is there an easy way for ubports people to see what should be merged? (or is it just more work than I am making it sound like?).