| jibel | good morning | 06:51 |
|---|---|---|
| didrocks | good morning | 07:13 |
| duflu | Morning jibel and didrocks | 07:28 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:28 |
| duflu | Hi seb128 | 07:29 |
| seb128 | hey duflu | 07:29 |
| didrocks | hey hey duflu, seb128 | 07:30 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks :) | 07:30 |
| jibel | hi duflu and everyone | 07:42 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 08:06 |
| seb128 | salut oSoMoN, ça va ? | 08:19 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128, ça va et toi? | 08:19 |
| seb128 | reveillé un peu tôt mais ça va sinon | 08:19 |
| oSoMoN | moi j’ai dormi comme une fleur :) | 08:20 |
| seb128 | veinard :) | 08:22 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN ;) | 08:25 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks, ça va? | 08:27 |
| didrocks | ça va, réveillé tôt également par contre :) | 08:28 |
| * duflu does the engineer's victory dance | 08:28 | |
| duflu | Good morning oSoMoN | 08:28 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu, what's the dance for? | 08:29 |
| duflu | oSoMoN, I correctly predicted mutter's problem before seeing it in a profile graph | 08:29 |
| oSoMoN | neat, congrats! | 08:30 |
| andyrock | hey all | 08:48 |
| didrocks | morning andyrock | 08:49 |
| duflu | Hi andyrock | 08:50 |
| willcooke | morning all | 09:01 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock willcooke | 09:01 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke | 09:02 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 09:04 |
| oSoMoN | good morning andyrock, willcooke | 09:04 |
| Laney | WHOOPS HI! | 09:04 |
| didrocks | hey hey Laney | 09:06 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 09:07 |
| duflu | Hi Laney | 09:09 |
| Laney | hey didrocks seb128 duflu | 09:10 |
| Laney | how's it going????? | 09:10 |
| Laney | nice man from the water company came this morning while I was getting dressed :( | 09:11 |
| Laney | but he gave us a new shower head for free | 09:11 |
| willcooke | Laney, a water saving one? Is it any good? | 09:12 |
| Laney | ya | 09:12 |
| Laney | i'll tell you tomorrow :P | 09:12 |
| Laney | he alleges that you can't tell the difference but it saves mumble litres per shower | 09:13 |
| * willcooke rubs chib | 09:13 | |
| willcooke | *chin | 09:13 |
| seb128 | you would think the water company has interest in you using water and wouldn't give away free stuff to help you giving them less money | 09:14 |
| duflu | Laney, if unhappy you can often remove the washer from just inside the neck, making it less water saving :) | 09:15 |
| Laney | we still have the old one :P | 09:15 |
| Laney | seb128: oh, maybe that's why he told me to just leave the tap on all the time! | 09:17 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:17 |
| Laney | it's more convenient to not have to turn it | 09:17 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hey | 09:51 |
| jbicha | good morning | 09:51 |
| seb128 | jbicha, the trello board is to plan our work, I don't think it's the right place to list issues we consider important in the infra or other places | 09:51 |
| jbicha | maybe I should have just mentioned LP: #1745210 in IRC instead? | 09:52 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1745210 in Launchpad itself "Support GNOME GitLab Issues as external bugtracker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745210 | 09:52 |
| seb128 | I guess | 09:52 |
| seb128 | unsure if you saw but it was briefly discussed on #ubuntu-devel | 09:53 |
| jbicha | yes, thanks :) | 09:53 |
| seb128 | np! | 09:53 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you know what's the status of autopkgtests infra? is that still down due to spectrum/meltdown? or back up but with lot of backlog? | 10:07 |
| Laney | second one | 10:07 |
| Laney | queue's going down now but it's really long | 10:07 |
| seb128 | k, well at least it's moving in the right direction :) | 10:08 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 10:08 |
| Laney | want an s390x desktop | 10:09 |
| seb128 | willcooke, fyi the update-notifier/xenial SRU is getting published to udpates/security now | 10:09 |
| Laney | it's supppppppppperrrr fast | 10:09 |
| willcooke | seb128, thanks. otp with jibel who said the same thing :) | 10:16 |
| seb128 | k | 10:18 |
| seb128 | jibel, you mentioned that the installer slides order was going to change or something around those line the other day? | 10:49 |
| jibel | seb128, yes, the keyboard page will move earlier, before the passphrase for encrypted volume IIRC | 10:51 |
| seb128 | jibel, ok, thanks | 10:51 |
| jibel | seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubiquity/move-keyboard-early | 10:51 |
| jibel | which reminds me to update the tests | 10:51 |
| jibel | willcooke, filed bug 1745350 about whoopsie ids | 10:53 |
| ubot5 | bug 1745350 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "whoopsie id is not unique" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745350 | 10:53 |
| seb128 | jibel, if you start renaming the e.u.c registered bugs to replace ":" by "→" it would make more sense to patch e.u.c to use directly the char you want | 12:07 |
| jibel | seb128, I was thinking the same. it's the title e.u.c uses it make sense it uses the same when it creates a report on lp. Also this way line wrapping works and it's easier to read. I'll propose a patch | 12:16 |
| seb128 | sounds good | 12:17 |
| cyphermox | willcooke: looks to me like wvdial is a dead project upstream too. | 14:55 |
| lamont | seb128: got a moment? It would seem that when I took my upgraded-from-prolly-wily laptop from zesty to artful, I lost the gui login screen... nothing on tty7 or 8, last thing is updating UTMP about runlevel change -- I'm hoping to avoid reinstalling, but need a working gui in a few hours.. | 14:56 |
| lamont | any thoughts/pointers? | 14:57 |
| jbicha | didrocks: there's a few desktop universe demotions at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.html | 14:57 |
| lamont | jbicha: any chance you've seen my issue or have $CLUE to apply? | 14:59 |
| jbicha | I've heard rumors about meltdown/spectre fixes breaking stuff. Try a pre-meltdown kernel? | 15:00 |
| lamont | will do. though that would make me sad and I'd have to smack jdstrand with a trout. | 15:01 |
| jbicha | smack Intel please | 15:02 |
| lamont | lol | 15:02 |
| lamont | and yeah, it's always interesting watching yet another cpu team discover the issues with opportunistic execution and how don't-care bits are not completely don't care | 15:03 |
| lamont | jbicha: so what you're saying is that do-release-ugprade to artful and then purge unity, and I should have a working system still? (modulo kernel hilarity) | 15:04 |
| jbicha | cyphermox: btw, have you seen the issue where connecting to certain wifi networks gets something like "search public.intranet" appended to /etc/resolv.conf | 15:04 |
| seb128 | lamont, is gdm installed/default dm? | 15:04 |
| jbicha | cyphermox: and that makes things like sudo really slow until I remove that line | 15:04 |
| lamont | seb128: /etc/X11/default-display-manager contains /usr/sbin/gdm3 | 15:05 |
| lamont | and gdm3 is installed | 15:05 |
| seb128 | but the dm doesn't start? | 15:05 |
| lamont | right | 15:05 |
| seb128 | anything interesting in the journal? | 15:05 |
| * lamont reboots for fresh journal | 15:05 | |
| seb128 | jbicha, I doubt gdm not showing the greater is a meltdown issue btw | 15:05 |
| lamont | and then I'll see about kernel | 15:06 |
| * lamont will have to run away for a couple hours at around :40 | 15:06 | |
| jbicha | well I heard rumors about dkms troubles, I could be really wrong though :) | 15:06 |
| * lamont wonders wtf he has postgres installed on his laptop | 15:07 | |
| Laney | it's tty1 with gdm btw | 15:08 |
| Laney | but if not there, yeah, check journal | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: what makes no sense, unless your nsswitch.conf is messed up | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | in any case, never seen that, sounds like a local network config more than anything | 15:09 |
| lamont | seb128: DNS is broken during startup | 15:09 |
| jbicha | cyphermox: ok, I'll try filing a bug then. I didn't touch nsswitch.conf | 15:10 |
| lamont | seb128: journal shows gdm.service has finished start-up, "... result is done" | 15:10 |
| seb128 | lamont, and no gdm error in the journal? | 15:10 |
| seb128 | nor xorg? | 15:11 |
| lamont | and ps shows gdm3 with a child gdm-session-worker [pam/gdm-launch-environment] | 15:11 |
| seb128 | is gnome-shell installed? | 15:11 |
| lamont | no X running | 15:11 |
| lamont | 3.26.2-0ubuntu0.1 | 15:11 |
| seb128 | could be normal if you are on wayland | 15:11 |
| lamont | no output for ps auxf | grep way | 15:12 |
| seb128 | lamont, try maybe enabling debug in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf reboot and see if the journal log for gdm has more details | 15:12 |
| seb128 | the wayland compositor is gnome-shell | 15:12 |
| seb128 | so you should probably ps for gnome-session/gnome-shell | 15:12 |
| * lamont is already reboot with debug | 15:13 | |
| seb128 | can you share/pastebin the journal | 15:14 |
| lamont | http://paste.ubuntu.com/26458928/ <-- seb128 | 15:16 |
| seb128 | you have lxc failing to start issues, dunno if that can create problems | 15:18 |
| lamont | DNS being broken is because /etc/resovlconf/resolv.conf.d/head is no longer in /run/NetworkMangler/resolv.conf | 15:18 |
| seb128 | GdmSession: Setting display device: (null) | 15:19 |
| seb128 | is weird | 15:19 |
| seb128 | GdmDisplay: Creating greeter for (null) (null) | 15:19 |
| lamont | i915 device | 15:19 |
| lamont | how soon do you EOD? | 15:19 |
| * lamont is happy to tell GdmSession where the device is, given a howto... | 15:20 | |
| lamont | and I'll be happy to take my time debugging the actual problem tomorrow... | 15:20 |
| seb128 | EOD is a bit random, depends of how things go here, I might be on and off for a couple and hours and then back for a bit in the evening | 15:22 |
| seb128 | I'm unsure how to debug that though :/ | 15:23 |
| willcooke | thx cyphermox | 15:23 |
| lamont | the "DNS not working" is because networkmangler refuses to do what I want it to (bind developer means local named, and it's all NO I OWNS YOUR DNS) | 15:24 |
| seb128 | lamont, you can try to use WaylandEnable=false in the gdm config see if that makes a difference | 15:24 |
| * lamont purges lxc to remove that factor from things | 15:24 | |
| lamont | rebooting without wayland | 15:24 |
| GunnarHj | Hi jbicha! Problem with autopkgtest of libpinyin. When testing libpinyin, for some reason it also tests libzhuyin and fails when doing so. | 15:25 |
| GunnarHj | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libpinyin | 15:25 |
| GunnarHj | Why does it care about libzhuyin (which we should probably drop from the archive anyway)? Is there some kind of ambiguity in debian/control? | 15:25 |
| GunnarHj | https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-ime/libpinyin.git/tree/debian/control?h=debian/experimental | 15:25 |
| didrocks | jbicha: I wonder about gnome-orca in universe. people upgrading having main only won't have the transition… | 15:28 |
| jbicha | didrocks: ubuntu-desktop recommends 'orca' but we can explicitly seed it until after 18.04 if you want | 15:29 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: it sounds like you also need to rebuild ibus/fcitx-zhuyin then | 15:30 |
| didrocks | jbicha: yeah, I'm thinking about people who removed the recommends, true that we try to add it before dist-upgrade | 15:30 |
| lamont | http://paste.ubuntu.com/26458989/ <-- seb128 | 15:30 |
| didrocks | jbicha: as you wish, I don't have strong opinons | 15:30 |
| jbicha | didrocks: it sounds like these people really want to break things ;) | 15:30 |
| didrocks | jbicha: true enough to me, let's demote it thus | 15:30 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: but if you need an autopkgtest ignored, present your reason at #ubuntu-release | 15:30 |
| lamont | seb128: ps has no "gnome" in the output, fwiw | 15:33 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: oh that's odd, reverse-depends says ibus-zhuyin depends on libzhuyin7 but it doesn't look like it really does :| | 15:34 |
| jbicha | "This traditional Chinese zhuyin input method is designed for old school users" | 15:34 |
| lamont | jbicha: haha | 15:35 |
| lamont | http://paste.ubuntu.com/26459025/ <-- now with no psql noise | 15:36 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: I have realized that ibus-libzhuyin and fcitx-libzhuyin should probably be built with libzhuyin13. Will try that in PPA. | 15:36 |
| lamont | Jan 25 08:35:30 rover3 gdm3[2217]: GdmSession: Setting display device: (null) | 15:38 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Would that keep autopkgtest's hands from libzhuyin? | 15:38 |
| jbicha | ibus-libzhuyin might not need to be rebuilt, it would be cool if somebody could test whether those 2 still work with the new version | 15:38 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: I don't think so | 15:38 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: So why is libzhuyin tested? | 15:40 |
| Laney | It seems to take over libzhuyin. | 15:42 |
| lamont | jbicha: seb128: pre-Spectre kernel (4.13.0-25.29) still gets Setting display device: (null) | 15:42 |
| lamont | with that, afk for a couple hours. will hope to find clue in scrollback | 15:43 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: "Take over"? How/why? | 15:43 |
| Laney | Look at the packages it produces. | 15:43 |
| Laney | libzhuyin-dev: Development files for zhuyin input method library | 15:44 |
| Laney | probably something to do with it | 15:44 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, thanks for accepting. I have now added some forgotten build dependencies and all is working. | 15:48 |
| Laney | I guess if the intention is to remove this package then it doesn't matter | 15:48 |
| * Laney assumes syncing from experimental was a good thing to do here ... | 15:49 | |
| GunnarHj | Laney: Right.. I'll do some more digging. (Syncing from experimental seemed to be a good idea at the time. ;) ) | 15:49 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, good! | 15:50 |
| seb128 | lamont, I don't really know, you can try reinstalling lightdm instead of gdm see how that works | 15:55 |
| amano2 | didrocks, are you going to do the bubblewrap MIR for bionic as well? | 16:01 |
| didrocks | amano2: hum, is it filed as a MIR? I didn't know we wanted to seed it | 16:02 |
| didrocks | or needed | 16:02 |
| amano2 | It is filed and you were supposed to MIR it | 16:03 |
| amano2 | According to the trello card | 16:03 |
| amano2 | Evince and some others are patched to not use it now | 16:03 |
| amano2 | But it would be an additional security layer. | 16:04 |
| didrocks | amano2: ah, got trapped to not have been assigned to it: https://trello.com/c/ZMkHCrQY/20-bubblewrap-mir | 16:04 |
| didrocks | amano2: assigned myself and added on my list | 16:05 |
| seb128 | amano2, didrocks, that needs a security team review first | 16:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, I'll do the normal copyright/packaging review | 16:05 |
| didrocks | and then, ask security, as usual | 16:05 |
| amano2 | That slipped already for artful, sadly | 16:06 |
| seb128 | amano2, yeah, they are busy and we don't have an high need of that one in the default install atm | 16:06 |
| amano2 | Now we have to patch the packages to be more insecure by default | 16:06 |
| didrocks | well, not more insecure than it used to be, in all fairness :) | 16:07 |
| seb128 | overstating issues never helps to resolve them | 16:08 |
| jbicha | didrocks: did you want to put the brotli/woff2 MIRs on your list too? LP: #1742743 | 16:08 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1742743 in woff2 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] woff2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742743 | 16:08 |
| seb128 | amano2, what is that impressive list of packages that is less secure? | 16:08 |
| didrocks | jbicha: are you really asking for "want"? ;) | 16:08 |
| seb128 | amano2, evince git has no mention of bubblewrap neither in NEWS nor configure.ac nor commit logs | 16:09 |
| jbicha | didrocks: please :) | 16:09 |
| amano2 | Well probably not that impressive ;) | 16:09 |
| seb128 | amano2, also evince doesn't seem to be patched or to use bubblewrap, unsure where you saw that | 16:10 |
| _amano | Nautilus, evince and maybe some others | 16:10 |
| _amano | I can look that u | 16:11 |
| _amano | P | 16:11 |
| jbicha | _amano: my understanding is that it's just the gnome-desktop3 library that is affected | 16:11 |
| jbicha | (which is stated in the MIR bug) | 16:12 |
| seb128 | _amano, where is the evince code you mention? | 16:15 |
| didrocks | jbicha: mind trello-carding it, add it to backlog and assign it to me, please? | 16:16 |
| didrocks | thx! | 16:21 |
| _amano | http://www.hadess.net/2017/07/security-for-security-gods-sandboxing.html?m=1 | 16:22 |
| amano2 | Gdk-pixbuf seems sandboxed | 16:23 |
| amano2 | Happy weekend, desktoppers ;) | 16:24 |
| amano2 | Tomorrow is already Happy Friday :) | 16:24 |
| alan_g | willcooke, we can dispense with gtk-mir in bionic | 16:30 |
| seb128 | alan_g, you already said that to him some time ago but thanks for confirming :) | 16:33 |
| alan_g | seb128, no. Two weeks ago I said it would come true in "a couple of weeks" | 16:33 |
| seb128 | alan_g, ah ok, well we translated that to "we can do it", but thanks for coming back confirming we can :) | 16:37 |
| * alan_g grins: I try to ensure promises and deliveries line up. | 16:38 | |
| seb128 | :) | 16:43 |
| willcooke | :) | 17:09 |
| lamont | seb128: just changing /etc/X11/default-display-manager to lightdm didn't kill of gdm3... | 18:15 |
| lamont | which is to say, halp how make computar werk? | 18:15 |
| sil2100 | seb128: hey! I built and uploaded initial normal and base bionic language-packs - I only did a quick check of the pl and en ones, but yeah, looked 'okayish' | 18:26 |
| sil2100 | seb128: I'll just have to check if all got uploaded that should, since last time I noticed some failed during the source-build+upload stage | 18:27 |
| sil2100 | seb128: since right now I need to get back to my SRU shift I'll re-check those tomorrow (since most of them didn't build yet even) | 18:34 |
| lamont | seb128: \o/ Thanks for the help. I would like to work with someone at some point (not today) on figuring out why gdm3 hates it and lightdm loves it. | 18:34 |
| oSoMoN | good night all | 18:50 |
| jbicha | lamont: I do sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm to switch login screens, then reboot | 18:56 |
| willcooke | night all o/ | 19:02 |
| lamont | jbicha: ta. In other news, with bionic as of 2018-01-17 16:42:42 UTC, and clear back to artful, X will occasionally go into the most wonderfully strange failure mode. Mouse moves, but focus is gone into lala land, and buttons and keys are not processed in any perceptible way. | 19:11 |
| lamont | NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] (rev a2) with nouveau driver | 19:12 |
| lamont | note also that Wayland hates that card with a fiery passion (maybe), gdm3 certainly does. So that machine is using lightdm since the change to gdm3 in artful. I suppose I could check on that in the bionic world... just not today. | 19:13 |
| gQuigs | lamont: you don't have both lightdm and gdm installed at the same time do you? I've found issues with that in the past | 19:16 |
| lamont | gQuigs: I do, but it's easy to switch, at least until gdm3 upgrades and switches it and I have to undo it (maybe) -- tever | 19:18 |
| gQuigs | lamont: purge one completely and see if things improve | 19:18 |
| lamont | the X lockup is one of those frustrating "all I've figured out to fix it is 'hit the reset button'" kind of things | 19:18 |
| lamont | gQuigs: I reinstalled gdm3 only because ubuntu-desktop depends on it. not interested in removing it, and it's clearly orthogonal to X not liking life at random times. | 19:19 |
| sarnold | lamont: the 'equivs' package can apparently fake up deps | 19:20 |
| gQuigs | lamont: I wouldn't be so positive about the clearly orthogonal part, try purging lightdm then.. | 19:24 |
| lamont | gQuigs: well, we know that gdm gets completely lost. | 19:27 |
| lamont | but yeah, today's pain is sorted "it works". Tomorrow or later is the "let's skip productivity in the name of debuging bionic" | 19:28 |
| lamont | because of primary desktop | 19:28 |
| gQuigs | I've found previously that their ability to get lost is much higher when there are 2 dm installed, even if one is supposedly disabled | 19:30 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: I failed to build ibus-libzhuyin and fcitx-zhuyin with the higher version of libzhuyin-dev (there seems to be more into it). So, to not break those input methods (for the case they work properly; I'm not sure of that) one idea is to exclude the libzhuyin-dev and libzhuyin13 binaries when building libpinyin. I'm about to test that in the PPA. | 19:36 |
| GunnarHj | https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/ibus-libpinyin/+packages | 19:36 |
| GunnarHj | Does that make sense to you? | 19:36 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: yes I think we could do that temporarily. Could you ask Debian why it's still in experimental and if they know about those rebuild problems too? | 20:04 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Yes, I'll ask someone about that. | 20:07 |
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