[04:44] <Bashing-om> parting is such sweet sorrow ---- who knows what I will miss while I snooze \o
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> 12mb bionic updates
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox bionic
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/purism-plans-to-bring-convergence-to-its-pureos-linux-phone-and-laptops-519543.shtml
[05:46]  * lotuspsychje_ doesnt like pings
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:31] <ducasse> morning, all
[07:49] <jink> Goedemorgen, prutsers.
[07:49] <jink> <3
[08:12] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[08:12] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[08:12] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well here, thanks, how about you?
[08:15] <lordievader> Doing good here. Ressurected my old phone by disabeling two of the bigger cores... Thinking of  making that an Android development phone.
[08:21] <ducasse> i've resurrected my old phone by using it as a remote for kodi on the rpi, the official remote app is actually quite nice
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> bbl work, have a nice day guys
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:41] <daftykins> hey! \o
[11:42] <BluesKaj> hi daftykins
[11:42] <daftykins> how goes?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> fine, and you?
[11:50] <daftykins> yeah pretty good thanks :D
[17:08] <nicomachus> nacc: good luck with qb on his power issues. I tried.
[17:08] <nacc> nicomachus: not helpingthem, i have no idea how to :)
[17:09] <nicomachus> pretty sure their battery is just bad.
[17:09] <nacc> yeah it sounds like hardware issues
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:18] <nicomachus> o/
[17:18] <nicomachus> morning
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> hey nicomachus morning mate
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> hey nacc
[17:18] <nacc> morning
[17:26] <hggdh> moi to all
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> hey hggdh
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> !info inkscape
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> https://opensource.com/article/18/1/9-awesome-new-inkscape-features-and-how-use-them
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> seems like nicely maintained
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> !info roundcube
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[18:12] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> taterots on fire again Yes or no?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> dunno just got here
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: he asks every user to inxi, for any issue
[18:18] <BluesKaj> heh
[18:19] <BluesKaj> the great fixer
[18:19] <BluesKaj> tool
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:20] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj
[18:20] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[18:20] <ducasse> i just leave whenever he starts his routine
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> one day he's gonna make a mistake
[18:21] <BluesKaj> still trying to get debian running with my old nvidia gpu ...runs ok on nouveau, may have to stick with it
[18:22] <daftykins> hey all. i'm playing with ZFS today :)
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: does debian have a debian-drivers list?
[18:22] <ducasse> hi daftykins - having fun? zfs <3
[18:23] <BluesKaj> frankly i don't pay much attn to a lot that goes on in #ubuntu since it's become walandized and gnomed
[18:23] <BluesKaj> waylandized
[18:26] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  not a drivers list as such there is a website with suggexted packages and a deb source for contrib and nonfree sources, the kernel nvidia dkms modules in stretch build a legacy driver for my gpu , but it breaks the system
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: what driver version is that
[18:27] <BluesKaj> it's the 340
[18:27] <BluesKaj> it's supposed towork
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah that sounds older card
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-346
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> try that one BluesKaj ?
[18:28] <BluesKaj> geforce 210
[18:40] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  don't think that one fits
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: indeed
[18:40] <BluesKaj> googling
[18:44] <daftykins> would've dropped support quite long ago i imagine
[18:44] <BluesKaj> latest driver is 340.1060
[18:45] <BluesKaj> the 340 works great on kubuntu 17.10 and 18.04
[18:49] <BluesKaj> this Debian is the Buster testing version and it uses the 4.13 kernel by default , so maybe I'm in luck
[18:52] <BluesKaj> the debian stretch 9.3  uses the old 4.9.05 kernel
[18:53] <nacc> right now th eonly supported kernel series for ubuntu are 3.13, 4.4 and 4.13, right?
[18:55] <Ian_Corne> aha BluesKaj is still around as well :)
[18:57] <BluesKaj> nacc:  not sure , haen't tried any other kernels
[18:57] <nacc> BluesKaj: sorry, i meant generally
[18:57] <nacc> keeping track in my head right now for what to look for in #ubuntu
[18:57] <nacc> 16.04 hwe moved to 4.13 for kpti
[18:57] <BluesKaj> think the 4.13 is the latest stable
[18:58] <nacc> yeah, that's my understanding too
[18:58] <nacc> and 14.04 is either 3.13 or 4.4 (hwe); 16.04 is either 4.4 or 4.13 (hwe); artful is at 4.13 already, so is bionic
[18:58] <nacc> i think that's all the releases we'd see in #ubuntu
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ uname -a
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TBOOK 4.13.0-25-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 8 21:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:02]  * BluesKaj nods
[19:06] <daftykins> !17.10
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/24/meltdown-spectre-and-ubuntu-what-you-need-to-know/
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> big read :p
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[22:23] <nicomachus> nacc: seems that candidate would be even more buggy, right?
[22:23] <nacc> nicomachus: why would you say that?
[22:23] <nicomachus> I didn't see any mention of a candidate release on their listing
[22:24] <nacc> nicomachus: candidate is the next stablle release
[22:24] <nicomachus> I just assume it's a beta still.
[22:24] <nacc> well, that would be beta :)
[22:24] <nacc> but in this case beta == candidate
[22:24] <nacc> and candidate means 'next release'
[22:24] <nacc> it's where bugfix testing would occur
[22:24] <nacc> like any other software proejct
[22:24] <nacc> so if you hit a bug, it makes sense to test if it's already fixed :)
[22:24] <nicomachus> https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/
[22:24] <nacc> snaps make it super eay
[22:24] <nacc> easy
[22:25] <nicomachus> also, as of march 2016, spotify had no developers on linux.
[22:25] <nicomachus> maybe that's changed, but I haven't seen any updates to the client that would make me think it has
[22:26] <nacc> https://snapcraft.io/spotify/  afaik, spotify did the upload
[22:26] <nacc> and the contact link for the snap is to spotify's site
[22:26] <nacc> so i feel like maybe a bit out of date on your info :)
[22:26] <nicomachus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/spotify-linux-no-development
[22:27] <nacc> nicomachus: that's the deb
[22:27] <nacc> the deb is dead
[22:27] <nacc> and that post is a year old
[22:27] <nacc> the deb is dead because spotify couldn't maintain it in their free time
[22:27] <nacc> they *can* maintain the snap in their free time
[22:27] <nacc> becuase they don't need to SRU anything
[22:27] <nacc> they can just push bugfixes after they CI in house
[22:28] <nacc> i would say forget whatever experience you had with the deb
[22:28] <nacc> and focus on the snap
[22:28] <nacc> if you want to improve it
[22:29] <nicomachus> forums seem to say that the snap is maintained by the community
[22:29] <nicomachus> idk how that works.
[22:29] <nicomachus> and the official Community Manager says "this version is unsupported" when referring to the linux client: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Linux/Recent-linux-client-update-changes/td-p/3121424
[22:30] <nacc> nicomachus: that would also be from months ago
[22:30] <nacc> and says "Debian package"
[22:30] <nacc> seriously, the snap came out .. 2days ago?
[22:30] <nacc> so anything you read from older than that is irrelevant
[22:30] <nacc> the snap is *unrelated* to the deb
[22:30] <nacc> afaik, they have nothing in commmon
[22:31] <nacc> https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Linux/bd-p/desktop_linux
[22:31] <nacc> hrm, that topic (https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Linux/Spotify-now-has-a-Snap-package-as-well/td-p/4220931) says community mainatined as well
[22:31] <nacc> but then spotify says they maintain it :)
[22:31] <nacc> so i'd trust spotify on that
[22:32] <nacc> in any case, that makes me more certain to say don't use the debs and any documentationa bout debs is old and should be burned in holy fire
[22:33] <nicomachus> yea, this says they maintain it: "The snap package is maintained by Spotify, just like the debian package. We have however received lots of help from Canonical and bug reports from users here and on the snapcraft forum"
[22:33] <nacc> yep
[22:33] <nacc> i'm not really a snap evangelist, to be cllear
[22:33] <nacc> i think for something like spotify, where some spotify folks want it to exist, it makes a lot of sense
[22:33] <nacc> it doesn't fit all things, and there will be debs forever
[22:34] <nicomachus> they're still packaging the deb though: http://repository.spotify.com/pool/non-free/s/spotify-client/
[22:35] <nacc> yes
[22:35] <nacc> i think they said that in the post you just quoted it