| lubot1 | Juan Carlos was added by: Juan Carlos | 19:31 |
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| lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Welcome! | 19:33 |
| lubot1 | <Juan Carlos> Thanks !! | 19:33 |
| lubot1 | <Juan Carlos> Hello everyone !! I have a laptop and I do not know whether to install Lubuntu or Xubuntu | 19:36 |
| wxl | @Juan Carlos #lubuntu is generally the right place for support, but the difference is that Lubuntu is meant to have the smallest possible footprint | 19:37 |
| lubot1 | <Juan Carlos> Which one do you recommend? | 19:37 |
| lubot1 | <Juan Carlos> The laptop has 1Gb of RAM and 150 GB of hard disk | 19:38 |
| lubot1 | <Juan Carlos> Windows 10 is installed, but not official | 19:39 |
| lubot1 | <chiefgyk> This channel is for development not support. | 19:39 |
| lubot1 | But both are great Lubuntu just needs less resources I flip flop between the two | 19:39 |
| lubot1 | <Juan Carlos> Ok, thanks | 19:40 |
| lubot1 | <Juan Carlos> Do you know if there is a specific Telegram channel of Linux? | 19:41 |
| wxl | well if you get on Freenode IRC, you can go to ##linux | 19:41 |
| lubot1 | <chiefgyk> No there is not they usually do it in IRC and message groups | 19:42 |
| wxl | the open source world, in general, uses IRC. Telegram, Matrix, Slack, etc. is secondary at best | 19:42 |
| wxl | for example, here we have Telegram bridged to our IRC channel but THE place for chat is the IRC | 19:42 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> hundreds of non-geek users are panicking because of the repos shutting down | 20:52 |
| wxl | huh? | 20:52 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> a more "human readable" message would be fine, instead of "network error updating" when they have internet | 20:52 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> 17.04 users, I mean | 20:53 |
| wxl | oh yeah | 20:53 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> all my "guinea pigs" around here (friends with Ubuntu) are giving me that feedback | 20:53 |
| agaida | life can be hard | 20:54 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> indeed | 20:54 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> specially dealing with git+lp!!! O___O | 20:55 |
| agaida | solution: uses salsa.debian.org ... | 20:56 |
| agaida | hmm - the latest changes in the packages was great - ok, settings are still not found, but a lot less crap | 20:58 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> which ones? | 20:59 |
| agaida | just a second | 20:59 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> º__º | 21:01 |
| agaida | last changelog entry for lubuntu-meta 0.88 | 21:02 |
| agaida | or so | 21:02 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> mhm | 21:03 |
| agaida | or what it was - no lightdm on bionic anymore (lubuntu-next) - sddm is used | 21:03 |
| agaida | ok, unconfigured aka sddm-theme-maui | 21:03 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> yayy! | 21:04 |
| lubot1 | <VikingRedwolf> wait. what theme is sddm using? | 21:04 |
| agaida | simple soulution would be to rename the release - but please not paintitblack - we use it at siduction | 21:04 |
| redwolf | yes | 21:04 |
| agaida | back in black would be a good choice :P | 21:04 |
| redwolf | but does it have any theme / visual configuration? | 21:05 |
| redwolf | file? I mean | 21:05 |
| agaida | i will have a look | 21:05 |
| redwolf | I think I experimented with this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Desktop_Display_Manager#/media/File:Simple-desktop-display-manager.jpg | 21:06 |
| redwolf | but it has changed since that | 21:06 |
| agaida | that is maui | 21:06 |
| agaida | but yes, it has changed a lot | 21:07 |
| redwolf | showing all the users is nice | 21:07 |
| redwolf | but not that way | 21:07 |
| redwolf | this is lively: https://i.imgur.com/UY8yOwm.png | 21:07 |
| redwolf | *lovely | 21:08 |
| agaida | i would use it - only one reason - i don't like userlists displayed and also don't like if DMs remember the last user | 21:09 |
| agaida | but - for anyone who like it - nice | 21:09 |
| redwolf | but end-users usually like that | 21:09 |
| redwolf | I admit it's handy, just typing the password+enter and it logs in | 21:10 |
| agaida | end users also use luks encrypt and place their decryption pass in some scripts ... | 21:10 |
| redwolf | XD | 21:10 |
| redwolf | I wonder if I can change the average avatar picture | 21:11 |
| agaida | create a faces dir iirc | 21:12 |
| redwolf | I need to study. I want to make some Lennys as available avatars | 21:13 |
| redwolf | I want to do a lot of things for this release and I'm not sure if we're in time | 21:14 |
| agaida | http://paste.debian.net/1007401/ - so the list of installed packages is cleaner now | 21:15 |
| redwolf | :) | 21:16 |
| agaida | maybe one should add the l10n packages - all non english speaking users would be grateful | 21:16 |
| * agaida think - only a wild guess | 21:16 | |
| redwolf | yes, I like my OS in Swedish :D | 21:16 |
| agaida | ah - btw | 21:17 |
| agaida | System: Host lubuntu-next Kernel 4.13.0-25-generic i686 bits 32 Desktop LXQt | 21:17 |
| agaida | Distro Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) | 21:17 |
| agaida | Machine: Device oracle System innotek product VirtualBox v 1.2 serial N/A | 21:17 |
| agaida | Mobo Oracle model VirtualBox v 1.2 serial N/A BIOS innotek v VirtualBox date 12/01/2006 | 21:17 |
| agaida | CPU: Quad core AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core (-MCP-) speed 4294 MHz (max) | 21:17 |
| agaida | Graphics: Card InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter | 21:17 |
| agaida | Display Server x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 ) drivers (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED modesetting | 21:17 |
| agaida | Resolution 1440x900@59.99hz | 21:17 |
| agaida | OpenGL renderer llvmpipe (LLVM 5.0, 128 bits) version 3.3 Mesa 17.2.4 | 21:17 |
| agaida | Network: Card Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver e1000 | 21:17 |
| agaida | Drives: HDD Total Size 10.7GB (37.7% used) | 21:17 |
| agaida | ID-1 model VBOX_HARDDISK | 21:17 |
| agaida | Info: Processes 142 Uptime 22 min Memory 494.3/8091.0MB Client Quassel v0.12.4 inxi 2.3.56 | 21:17 |
| agaida | only a "little" backtrace at start - but no kernel panic | 21:17 |
| * krytarik slow-claps.. | 21:18 | |
| redwolf | oh, krytarik! you still alive after your "Lubuntu support shift" yesterday XDDD | 21:19 |
| agaida | redwolf: do i need any additional packages - i have lubuntu-default-settings and lubuntu-live-settings | 21:20 |
| * redwolf sips tea | 21:20 | |
| * redwolf wonders if there're already separated settings for Qt and gtk desktops | 21:20 | |
| agaida | no - and i found lxqt in /etc/xdg | 21:20 |
| redwolf | :'( | 21:21 |
| agaida | so let's dig a little bit deeper | 21:21 |
| agaida | hmm - in xdg/lxqt are only the globalkeyshortcuts.conf - and thats fine | 21:21 |
| agaida | the only configuration i don't have moved right now | 21:22 |
| redwolf | agaida, is "lxqt-config-appearance" in "lxqt-config" ? | 21:22 |
| agaida | it is | 21:22 |
| redwolf | nice then | 21:22 |
| agaida | no, not nice | 21:23 |
| redwolf | you also included lxappearance | 21:23 |
| agaida | no - but it should be for the time being | 21:23 |
| redwolf | aye | 21:23 |
| agaida | or obconf-qt | 21:24 |
| agaida | dunno if lxappearance do things that obconf and obconf-qt can't do | 21:24 |
| redwolf | gtk | 21:24 |
| redwolf | ergo icons, toolbar buttons, text... | 21:24 |
| redwolf | themes should be qt+gtk always, and not even listing those imcomplete. and like Budgie, when you apply a theme, it applies for everything. at once. | 21:26 |
| redwolf | so, only one tool to configure appearance. but that's my personal trauma. | 21:27 |
| agaida | at least four tools | 21:27 |
| agaida | or five | 21:27 |
| redwolf | too many :( | 21:28 |
| agaida | echo, cat, vi, nano :P | 21:28 |
| redwolf | -___- | 21:28 |
| agaida | not to forget sed | 21:28 |
| redwolf | I kinda like nano, but I always tend to press f10 to show menus :| | 21:28 |
| wxl | ugh nano | 21:29 |
| redwolf | :) | 21:29 |
| wxl | i have a co-worker that's expressed interest in better making use out of the shell | 21:31 |
| wxl | i mean, like, he's new. | 21:31 |
| wxl | he still couldn't figure out how to get out of nano though :) | 21:31 |
| redwolf | XD | 21:31 |
| * agaida miss zsh as standard shell | 21:31 | |
| wxl | it's not exactly intuitive | 21:31 |
| agaida | strg x is intuitive | 21:31 |
| agaida | better then <esc>q | 21:32 |
| agaida | upps | 21:32 |
| redwolf | never do that in nano :D | 21:32 |
| redwolf | it's like vim. you have to fire a missile to the computer to exit | 21:32 |
| redwolf | it's the only way XD | 21:32 |
| wxl | i've done some remapping in vim so to escape insert mode, save and quit, all i do is ,, | 21:33 |
| agaida | esc :q! | 21:33 |
| agaida | erm - ok intuitive | 21:33 |
| redwolf | I'm still looking for some visual-basic / msedit editor clone for linux | 21:34 |
| wxl | the reality is there *IS* no intuitive editor | 21:34 |
| redwolf | console, but with menus and all | 21:34 |
| wxl | including nano | 21:34 |
| redwolf | no, nano is alien | 21:34 |
| wxl | ummm | 21:34 |
| redwolf | remember that default editor for ms-dos 5/6? | 21:34 |
| wxl | isn't there a midnight commander for cli that has an editor built in? | 21:34 |
| redwolf | <redwolf> remember that default editor for ms-dos 5/6? | 21:35 |
| redwolf | damn | 21:35 |
| redwolf | https://i.stack.imgur.com/dJQOG.png | 21:35 |
| redwolf | fp, it seems | 21:36 |
| redwolf | https://askubuntu.com/questions/42453/equivalent-text-editor-to-ms-dos-editor | 21:36 |
| agaida | mcedit | 21:36 |
| agaida | yes | 21:36 |
| agaida | wxl - belive it or not - we had a short term user that want us to make a "native", "original" Xfce | 21:37 |
| redwolf | huh? | 21:37 |
| agaida | without mc mcedit "and such crap" installed | 21:37 |
| agaida | so - not a solution :D | 21:38 |
| wxl | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander | 21:38 |
| wxl | that's what i was thinking of | 21:38 |
| wxl | but it uses $EDITOR | 21:38 |
| wxl | at least in ubuntu | 21:39 |
| wxl | upstream appears to have an actual editor https://www.gnu.org/software/mc/images/mc-edit-perl.png | 21:39 |
| wxl | oh | 21:39 |
| wxl | and that's mcedit | 21:39 |
| wxl | derp | 21:39 |
| wxl | but that's not the same as what redwolf was talking about | 21:39 |
| agaida | apt-file list mc | 21:40 |
| wxl | fp-ide looks pretty nice | 21:40 |
| agaida | ok - regarding the settings - look fine for the beginning - but someone should change some install pathes | 21:51 |
| agaida | redwolf: as i said - no problem | 21:51 |
| redwolf | :) :* | 21:54 |
| agaida | i will file a bug with patch | 21:55 |
| agaida | not really a problem | 21:55 |
| * redwolf licks agaida | 21:55 | |
| agaida | hihihi | 21:55 |
| agaida | and btw | 21:57 |
| agaida | 2018-01-26 14:00:35 <BTS> featherpad (NEW) 0.7-1 uploaded by Alf Gaida <agaida@siducti...> (Closes: #869730) https://tracker.debian.org/featherpad | 21:57 |
| agaida | 2018-01-26 14:03:30 <BTS> Closed #869730 in wnpp by Alf Gaida <agaida@siducti...> «ITP: featherpad -- FeatherPad is a lightweight Qt5 plain-text editor for Linux». https://bugs.debian.org/869730 | 21:58 |
| ubot93 | Debian bug 869730 in wnpp "ITP: featherpad -- FeatherPad is a lightweight Qt5 plain-text editor for Linux" [Wishlist, Fixed] | 21:58 |
| redwolf | I like it: https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad | 21:58 |
| agaida | still a lot to do | 21:59 |
| redwolf | there it is: kvantum working :) | 21:59 |
| redwolf | oh and it has hamburger menu too! | 21:59 |
| agaida | my only problem with quantum - i don't like dark themes that much | 21:59 |
| agaida | kvantum | 21:59 |
| redwolf | then don't use them | 22:00 |
| redwolf | ;) | 22:00 |
| agaida | right | 22:00 |
| redwolf | kvantum has lots of sets preinstalled | 22:00 |
| agaida | if i find the time i should make a package | 22:01 |
| redwolf | for kvantum? | 22:01 |
| agaida | why not | 22:01 |
| redwolf | https://github.com/tsujan/Kvantum/releases | 22:01 |
| agaida | first rule- never ever let programmers do packaging | 22:02 |
| redwolf | :D why? poor things | 22:02 |
| agaida | second rule - never ever let programmers do packaging | 22:02 |
| redwolf | aren't both the same rule? | 22:02 |
| agaida | no, not really | 22:03 |
| agaida | the second rule is far more important | 22:03 |
| redwolf | mhm | 22:03 |
| redwolf | well, if you did a kvantum package for the seed, it'd be ok for me :) and you're a coder | 22:03 |
| agaida | oh - i forget the ". Really - never!" | 22:03 |
| redwolf | omg, sfte is soooo nice! it's like the good old wordstar | 22:04 |
| agaida | nope - i'm only an old grumpy guy - and our devs panic if i try to be a programmer | 22:05 |
| redwolf | not so old ;) | 22:05 |
| agaida | nearly 49 | 22:05 |
| redwolf | perfect :) | 22:06 |
| agaida | hihihi | 22:06 |
| redwolf | still sexy! | 22:06 |
| agaida | yeah, my wife say this too - from time to time :P | 22:11 |
| agaida | is there a pull requst workflow on launchpad with git? | 22:13 |
| agaida | cool, the installer fails | 22:15 |
| redwolf | :) | 22:15 |
| agaida | or better: apt fails with a script bug in initramfs-tools | 22:16 |
| agaida | and the installed system paniced with the usual kernel panic for i386 - damn, i should download a sane amd64 iso | 22:18 |
| agaida | done | 22:20 |
| redwolf | O.O | 22:22 |
| agaida | the mirror was fast today- 25M | 22:23 |
| agaida | and i should mount my vbox dir to ssd | 22:25 |
| agaida | damn slow | 22:25 |
| agaida | ok - the initramfs bug isn't exactly nice- the amd64 segfaults too | 22:31 |
| agaida | installation - and i hate chrooting in just installed systems | 22:31 |
| agaida | bug found - whoever thought that it would be a good idea not to install ttf-dejavu - no, it wasn't | 22:38 |
| agaida | plymouth hook in initramfs-tools fails with dejavu not found - no created initramfs, not nice system start | 22:40 |
| redwolf | why not just jumping to another font? | 22:54 |
| agaida | erm - if the initramfs is not created, the system don't start | 22:58 |
| agaida | and my most hated program need dejavu in it's hoolk | 22:58 |
| agaida | but with a little bit good will - the installed system finally give up and start into an nice black screen | 22:59 |
| agaida | CPU~Quad core AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core (-MCP-) speed~4294 MHz (max) Kernel~4.13.0-25-generic x86_64 Up~5 min Mem~360.7/7974.8MB HDD~10.7GB(44.8% used) Procs~145 Client~Quassel v0.12.4 inxi~2.3.56 | 22:59 |
| agaida | System: Host lnext Kernel 4.13.0-25-generic x86_64 bits 64 Desktop LXQt | 22:59 |
| agaida | Distro Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) | 22:59 |
| agaida | so what | 22:59 |
| agaida | but it should be fixed | 23:00 |
| redwolf | oh right | 23:00 |
| agaida | but hey - after a bit chrooting and a bit normal magic the system runs fine | 23:02 |
| agaida | just installing git, devscripts and debhelpers | 23:02 |
| agaida | -s | 23:02 |
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