[19:31] <lubot1> Juan Carlos was added by: Juan Carlos
 Welcome!
[19:33] <lubot1> <Juan Carlos> Thanks !!
[19:36] <lubot1> <Juan Carlos> Hello everyone !! I have a laptop and I do not know whether to install Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[19:37] <wxl> @Juan Carlos #lubuntu is generally the right place for support, but the difference is that Lubuntu is meant to have the smallest possible footprint
[19:37] <lubot1> <Juan Carlos> Which one do you recommend?
[19:38] <lubot1> <Juan Carlos> The laptop has 1Gb of RAM and 150 GB of hard disk
[19:39] <lubot1> <Juan Carlos> Windows 10 is installed, but not official
 This channel is for development not support.
[19:39] <lubot1> But both are great Lubuntu just needs less resources I flip flop between the two
[19:40] <lubot1> <Juan Carlos> Ok, thanks
[19:41] <lubot1> <Juan Carlos> Do you know if there is a specific Telegram channel of Linux?
[19:41] <wxl> well if you get on Freenode IRC, you can go to ##linux
 No there is not they usually do it in IRC and message groups
[19:42] <wxl> the open source world, in general, uses IRC. Telegram, Matrix, Slack, etc. is secondary at best
[19:42] <wxl> for example, here we have Telegram bridged to our IRC channel but THE place for chat is the IRC
 hundreds of non-geek users are panicking because of the repos shutting down
[20:52] <wxl> huh?
 a more "human readable" message would be fine, instead of "network error updating" when they have internet
 17.04 users, I mean
[20:53] <wxl> oh yeah
 all my "guinea pigs" around here (friends with Ubuntu) are giving me that feedback
[20:54] <agaida> life can be hard
 indeed
 specially dealing with git+lp!!! O___O
[20:56] <agaida> solution: uses salsa.debian.org ...
[20:58] <agaida> hmm - the latest changes in the packages was great - ok, settings are still not found, but a lot less crap
 which ones?
[20:59] <agaida> just a second
 º__º
[21:02] <agaida> last changelog entry for lubuntu-meta 0.88
[21:02] <agaida> or so
 mhm
[21:03] <agaida> or what it was - no lightdm on bionic anymore (lubuntu-next) - sddm is used
[21:03] <agaida> ok, unconfigured aka sddm-theme-maui
 yayy!
 wait. what theme is sddm using?
[21:04] <agaida> simple soulution would be to rename the release - but please not paintitblack - we use it at siduction
[21:04] <redwolf> yes
[21:04] <agaida> back in black would be a good choice :P
[21:05] <redwolf> but does it have any theme / visual configuration?
[21:05] <redwolf> file? I mean
[21:05] <agaida> i will have a look
[21:06] <redwolf> I think I experimented with this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Desktop_Display_Manager#/media/File:Simple-desktop-display-manager.jpg
[21:06] <redwolf> but it has changed since that
[21:06] <agaida> that is maui
[21:07] <agaida> but yes, it has changed a lot
[21:07] <redwolf> showing all the users is nice
[21:07] <redwolf> but not that way
[21:07] <redwolf> this is lively: https://i.imgur.com/UY8yOwm.png
[21:08] <redwolf> *lovely
[21:09] <agaida> i would use it - only one reason - i don't like userlists displayed and also don't like if DMs remember the last user
[21:09] <agaida> but - for anyone who like it - nice
[21:09] <redwolf> but end-users usually like that
[21:10] <redwolf> I admit it's handy, just typing the password+enter and it logs in
[21:10] <agaida> end users also use luks encrypt and place their decryption pass in some scripts ...
[21:10] <redwolf> XD
[21:11] <redwolf> I wonder if I can change the average avatar picture
[21:12] <agaida> create a faces dir iirc
[21:13] <redwolf> I need to study. I want to make some Lennys as available avatars
[21:14] <redwolf> I want to do a lot of things for this release and I'm not sure if we're in time
[21:15] <agaida> http://paste.debian.net/1007401/ - so the list of installed packages is cleaner now
[21:16] <redwolf> :)
[21:16] <agaida> maybe one should add the l10n packages - all non english speaking users would be grateful
[21:16]  * agaida think - only a wild guess
[21:16] <redwolf> yes, I like my OS in Swedish :D
[21:17] <agaida> ah - btw
[21:17] <agaida> System:    Host lubuntu-next Kernel 4.13.0-25-generic i686 bits 32 Desktop LXQt
[21:17] <agaida>            Distro Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch)
[21:17] <agaida> Machine:   Device oracle System innotek product VirtualBox v 1.2 serial N/A
[21:17] <agaida>            Mobo Oracle model VirtualBox v 1.2 serial N/A BIOS innotek v VirtualBox date 12/01/2006
[21:17] <agaida> CPU:       Quad core AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core (-MCP-) speed 4294 MHz (max)
[21:17] <agaida> Graphics:  Card InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
[21:17] <agaida>            Display Server x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 ) drivers (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED modesetting
[21:17] <agaida>            Resolution 1440x900@59.99hz
[21:17] <agaida>            OpenGL renderer llvmpipe (LLVM 5.0, 128 bits) version 3.3 Mesa 17.2.4
[21:17] <agaida> Network:   Card Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver e1000
[21:17] <agaida> Drives:    HDD Total Size 10.7GB (37.7% used)
[21:17] <agaida>            ID-1 model VBOX_HARDDISK
[21:17] <agaida> Info:      Processes 142 Uptime 22 min Memory 494.3/8091.0MB Client Quassel v0.12.4 inxi 2.3.56
[21:17] <agaida> only a "little" backtrace at start - but no kernel panic
[21:18]  * krytarik slow-claps..
[21:19] <redwolf> oh, krytarik! you still alive after your "Lubuntu support shift" yesterday  XDDD
[21:20] <agaida> redwolf: do i need any additional packages - i have lubuntu-default-settings and lubuntu-live-settings
[21:20]  * redwolf sips tea
[21:20]  * redwolf wonders if there're already separated settings for Qt and gtk desktops
[21:20] <agaida> no - and i found lxqt in /etc/xdg
[21:21] <redwolf> :'(
[21:21] <agaida> so let's dig a little bit deeper
[21:21] <agaida> hmm - in xdg/lxqt are only the globalkeyshortcuts.conf - and thats fine
[21:22] <agaida> the only configuration i don't have moved right now
[21:22] <redwolf> agaida, is "lxqt-config-appearance" in "lxqt-config" ?
[21:22] <agaida> it is
[21:22] <redwolf> nice then
[21:23] <agaida> no, not nice
[21:23] <redwolf> you also included lxappearance
[21:23] <agaida> no - but it should be for the time being
[21:23] <redwolf> aye
[21:24] <agaida> or obconf-qt
[21:24] <agaida> dunno if lxappearance do things that obconf and obconf-qt can't do
[21:24] <redwolf> gtk
[21:24] <redwolf> ergo icons, toolbar buttons, text...
[21:26] <redwolf> themes should be qt+gtk always, and not even listing those imcomplete. and like Budgie, when you apply a theme, it applies for everything. at once.
[21:27] <redwolf> so, only one tool to configure appearance. but that's my personal trauma.
[21:27] <agaida> at least four tools
[21:27] <agaida> or five
[21:28] <redwolf> too many :(
[21:28] <agaida> echo, cat, vi, nano :P
[21:28] <redwolf> -___-
[21:28] <agaida> not to forget sed
[21:28] <redwolf> I kinda like nano, but I always tend to press f10 to show menus :|
[21:29] <wxl> ugh nano
[21:29] <redwolf> :)
[21:31] <wxl> i have a co-worker that's expressed interest in better making use out of the shell
[21:31] <wxl> i mean, like, he's new.
[21:31] <wxl> he still couldn't figure out how to get out of nano though :)
[21:31] <redwolf> XD
[21:31]  * agaida miss zsh as standard shell
[21:31] <wxl> it's not exactly intuitive
[21:31] <agaida> strg x is intuitive
[21:32] <agaida> better then <esc>q
[21:32] <agaida> upps
[21:32] <redwolf> never do that in nano :D
[21:32] <redwolf> it's like vim. you have to fire a missile to the computer to exit
[21:32] <redwolf> it's the only way XD
[21:33] <wxl> i've done some remapping in vim so to escape insert mode, save and quit, all i do is ,,
[21:33] <agaida> esc :q!
[21:33] <agaida> erm - ok intuitive
[21:34] <redwolf> I'm still looking for some visual-basic / msedit editor clone for linux
[21:34] <wxl> the reality is there *IS* no intuitive editor
[21:34] <redwolf> console, but with menus and all
[21:34] <wxl> including nano
[21:34] <redwolf> no, nano is alien
[21:34] <wxl> ummm
[21:34] <redwolf> remember that default editor for ms-dos 5/6?
[21:34] <wxl> isn't there a midnight commander for cli that has an editor built in?
 remember that default editor for ms-dos 5/6?
[21:35] <redwolf> damn
[21:35] <redwolf> https://i.stack.imgur.com/dJQOG.png
[21:36] <redwolf> fp, it seems
[21:36] <redwolf> https://askubuntu.com/questions/42453/equivalent-text-editor-to-ms-dos-editor
[21:36] <agaida> mcedit
[21:36] <agaida> yes
[21:37] <agaida> wxl - belive it or not - we had a short term user that want us to make a "native",  "original" Xfce
[21:37] <redwolf> huh?
[21:37] <agaida> without mc mcedit "and such crap" installed
[21:38] <agaida> so - not a solution :D
[21:38] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander
[21:38] <wxl> that's what i was thinking of
[21:38] <wxl> but it uses $EDITOR
[21:39] <wxl> at least in ubuntu
[21:39] <wxl> upstream appears to have an actual editor https://www.gnu.org/software/mc/images/mc-edit-perl.png
[21:39] <wxl> oh
[21:39] <wxl> and that's mcedit
[21:39] <wxl> derp
[21:39] <wxl> but that's not the same as what redwolf was talking about
[21:40] <agaida> apt-file list mc
[21:40] <wxl> fp-ide looks pretty nice
[21:51] <agaida> ok - regarding the settings - look fine for the beginning - but someone should change some install pathes
[21:51] <agaida> redwolf: as i said - no problem
[21:54] <redwolf> :)    :*
[21:55] <agaida> i will file a bug with patch
[21:55] <agaida> not really a problem
[21:55]  * redwolf licks agaida 
[21:55] <agaida> hihihi
[21:57] <agaida> and btw
[21:57] <agaida> 2018-01-26  14:00:35 <BTS> featherpad (NEW) 0.7-1 uploaded by Alf Gaida <agaida@siducti...> (Closes: #869730) https://tracker.debian.org/featherpad
[21:58] <agaida> 2018-01-26  14:03:30 <BTS> Closed #869730 in wnpp by Alf Gaida <agaida@siducti...> «ITP: featherpad -- FeatherPad is a lightweight Qt5 plain-text editor for Linux». https://bugs.debian.org/869730
[21:58] <redwolf> I like it: https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad
[21:59] <agaida> still a lot to do
[21:59] <redwolf> there it is: kvantum working :)
[21:59] <redwolf> oh and it has hamburger menu too!
[21:59] <agaida> my only problem with quantum - i don't like dark themes that much
[21:59] <agaida> kvantum
[22:00] <redwolf> then don't use them
[22:00] <redwolf> ;)
[22:00] <agaida> right
[22:00] <redwolf> kvantum has lots of sets preinstalled
[22:01] <agaida> if i find the time i should make a package
[22:01] <redwolf> for kvantum?
[22:01] <agaida> why not
[22:01] <redwolf> https://github.com/tsujan/Kvantum/releases
[22:02] <agaida> first rule- never ever let programmers do packaging
[22:02] <redwolf> :D why? poor things
[22:02] <agaida> second rule - never ever let programmers do packaging
[22:02] <redwolf> aren't both the same rule?
[22:03] <agaida> no, not really
[22:03] <agaida> the second rule is far more important
[22:03] <redwolf> mhm
[22:03] <redwolf> well, if you did a kvantum package for the seed, it'd be ok for me :) and you're a coder
[22:03] <agaida> oh - i forget the ". Really - never!"
[22:04] <redwolf> omg, sfte is soooo nice! it's like the good old wordstar
[22:05] <agaida> nope - i'm only an old grumpy guy - and our devs panic if i try to be a programmer
[22:05] <redwolf> not so old ;)
[22:05] <agaida> nearly 49
[22:06] <redwolf> perfect :)
[22:06] <agaida> hihihi
[22:06] <redwolf> still sexy!
[22:11] <agaida> yeah, my wife say this too - from time to time :P
[22:13] <agaida> is there a pull requst workflow on launchpad with git?
[22:15] <agaida> cool, the installer fails
[22:15] <redwolf> :)
[22:16] <agaida> or better: apt fails with a script bug in initramfs-tools
[22:18] <agaida> and the installed system paniced with the usual kernel panic for i386 - damn, i should download a sane amd64 iso
[22:20] <agaida> done
[22:22] <redwolf> O.O
[22:23] <agaida> the mirror was fast today- 25M
[22:25] <agaida> and i should mount my vbox dir to ssd
[22:25] <agaida> damn slow
[22:31] <agaida> ok - the initramfs bug isn't exactly nice- the amd64 segfaults too
[22:31] <agaida> installation - and i hate chrooting in just installed systems
[22:38] <agaida> bug found - whoever thought that it would be a good idea not to install ttf-dejavu - no, it wasn't
[22:40] <agaida> plymouth hook in initramfs-tools fails with dejavu not found - no created initramfs, not nice system start
[22:54] <redwolf> why not just jumping to another font?
[22:58] <agaida> erm - if the initramfs is not created, the system don't start
[22:58] <agaida> and my most hated program need dejavu in it's hoolk
[22:59] <agaida> but with a little bit good will - the installed system finally give up and start into an nice black screen
[22:59] <agaida> CPU~Quad core AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core (-MCP-) speed~4294 MHz (max) Kernel~4.13.0-25-generic x86_64 Up~5 min Mem~360.7/7974.8MB HDD~10.7GB(44.8% used) Procs~145 Client~Quassel v0.12.4 inxi~2.3.56
[22:59] <agaida> System:    Host lnext Kernel 4.13.0-25-generic x86_64 bits 64 Desktop LXQt
[22:59] <agaida>            Distro Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch)
[22:59] <agaida> so what
[23:00] <agaida> but it should be fixed
[23:00] <redwolf> oh right
[23:02] <agaida> but hey - after a bit chrooting and a bit normal magic the system runs fine
[23:02] <agaida> just installing git, devscripts and debhelpers
[23:02] <agaida> -s