[19:31] Juan Carlos was added by: Juan Carlos [19:33] Welcome! [19:33] Thanks !! [19:36] Hello everyone !! I have a laptop and I do not know whether to install Lubuntu or Xubuntu [19:37] @Juan Carlos #lubuntu is generally the right place for support, but the difference is that Lubuntu is meant to have the smallest possible footprint [19:37] Which one do you recommend? [19:38] The laptop has 1Gb of RAM and 150 GB of hard disk [19:39] Windows 10 is installed, but not official [19:39] This channel is for development not support. [19:39] But both are great Lubuntu just needs less resources I flip flop between the two [19:40] Ok, thanks [19:41] Do you know if there is a specific Telegram channel of Linux? [19:41] well if you get on Freenode IRC, you can go to ##linux [19:42] No there is not they usually do it in IRC and message groups [19:42] the open source world, in general, uses IRC. Telegram, Matrix, Slack, etc. is secondary at best [19:42] for example, here we have Telegram bridged to our IRC channel but THE place for chat is the IRC [20:52] hundreds of non-geek users are panicking because of the repos shutting down [20:52] huh? [20:52] a more "human readable" message would be fine, instead of "network error updating" when they have internet [20:53] 17.04 users, I mean [20:53] oh yeah [20:53] all my "guinea pigs" around here (friends with Ubuntu) are giving me that feedback [20:54] life can be hard [20:54] indeed [20:55] specially dealing with git+lp!!! O___O [20:56] solution: uses salsa.debian.org ... [20:58] hmm - the latest changes in the packages was great - ok, settings are still not found, but a lot less crap [20:59] which ones? [20:59] just a second [21:01] º__º [21:02] last changelog entry for lubuntu-meta 0.88 [21:02] or so [21:03] mhm [21:03] or what it was - no lightdm on bionic anymore (lubuntu-next) - sddm is used [21:03] ok, unconfigured aka sddm-theme-maui [21:04] yayy! [21:04] wait. what theme is sddm using? [21:04] simple soulution would be to rename the release - but please not paintitblack - we use it at siduction [21:04] yes [21:04] back in black would be a good choice :P [21:05] but does it have any theme / visual configuration? [21:05] file? I mean [21:05] i will have a look [21:06] I think I experimented with this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Desktop_Display_Manager#/media/File:Simple-desktop-display-manager.jpg [21:06] but it has changed since that [21:06] that is maui [21:07] but yes, it has changed a lot [21:07] showing all the users is nice [21:07] but not that way [21:07] this is lively: https://i.imgur.com/UY8yOwm.png [21:08] *lovely [21:09] i would use it - only one reason - i don't like userlists displayed and also don't like if DMs remember the last user [21:09] but - for anyone who like it - nice [21:09] but end-users usually like that [21:10] I admit it's handy, just typing the password+enter and it logs in [21:10] end users also use luks encrypt and place their decryption pass in some scripts ... [21:10] XD [21:11] I wonder if I can change the average avatar picture [21:12] create a faces dir iirc [21:13] I need to study. I want to make some Lennys as available avatars [21:14] I want to do a lot of things for this release and I'm not sure if we're in time [21:15] http://paste.debian.net/1007401/ - so the list of installed packages is cleaner now [21:16] :) [21:16] maybe one should add the l10n packages - all non english speaking users would be grateful [21:16] * agaida think - only a wild guess [21:16] yes, I like my OS in Swedish :D [21:17] ah - btw [21:17] System: Host lubuntu-next Kernel 4.13.0-25-generic i686 bits 32 Desktop LXQt [21:17] Distro Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) [21:17] Machine: Device oracle System innotek product VirtualBox v 1.2 serial N/A [21:17] Mobo Oracle model VirtualBox v 1.2 serial N/A BIOS innotek v VirtualBox date 12/01/2006 [21:17] CPU: Quad core AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core (-MCP-) speed 4294 MHz (max) [21:17] Graphics: Card InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter [21:17] Display Server x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 ) drivers (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED modesetting [21:17] Resolution 1440x900@59.99hz [21:17] OpenGL renderer llvmpipe (LLVM 5.0, 128 bits) version 3.3 Mesa 17.2.4 [21:17] Network: Card Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver e1000 [21:17] Drives: HDD Total Size 10.7GB (37.7% used) [21:17] ID-1 model VBOX_HARDDISK [21:17] Info: Processes 142 Uptime 22 min Memory 494.3/8091.0MB Client Quassel v0.12.4 inxi 2.3.56 [21:17] only a "little" backtrace at start - but no kernel panic [21:18] * krytarik slow-claps.. [21:19] oh, krytarik! you still alive after your "Lubuntu support shift" yesterday XDDD [21:20] redwolf: do i need any additional packages - i have lubuntu-default-settings and lubuntu-live-settings [21:20] * redwolf sips tea [21:20] * redwolf wonders if there're already separated settings for Qt and gtk desktops [21:20] no - and i found lxqt in /etc/xdg [21:21] :'( [21:21] so let's dig a little bit deeper [21:21] hmm - in xdg/lxqt are only the globalkeyshortcuts.conf - and thats fine [21:22] the only configuration i don't have moved right now [21:22] agaida, is "lxqt-config-appearance" in "lxqt-config" ? [21:22] it is [21:22] nice then [21:23] no, not nice [21:23] you also included lxappearance [21:23] no - but it should be for the time being [21:23] aye [21:24] or obconf-qt [21:24] dunno if lxappearance do things that obconf and obconf-qt can't do [21:24] gtk [21:24] ergo icons, toolbar buttons, text... [21:26] themes should be qt+gtk always, and not even listing those imcomplete. and like Budgie, when you apply a theme, it applies for everything. at once. [21:27] so, only one tool to configure appearance. but that's my personal trauma. [21:27] at least four tools [21:27] or five [21:28] too many :( [21:28] echo, cat, vi, nano :P [21:28] -___- [21:28] not to forget sed [21:28] I kinda like nano, but I always tend to press f10 to show menus :| [21:29] ugh nano [21:29] :) [21:31] i have a co-worker that's expressed interest in better making use out of the shell [21:31] i mean, like, he's new. [21:31] he still couldn't figure out how to get out of nano though :) [21:31] XD [21:31] * agaida miss zsh as standard shell [21:31] it's not exactly intuitive [21:31] strg x is intuitive [21:32] better then q [21:32] upps [21:32] never do that in nano :D [21:32] it's like vim. you have to fire a missile to the computer to exit [21:32] it's the only way XD [21:33] i've done some remapping in vim so to escape insert mode, save and quit, all i do is ,, [21:33] esc :q! [21:33] erm - ok intuitive [21:34] I'm still looking for some visual-basic / msedit editor clone for linux [21:34] the reality is there *IS* no intuitive editor [21:34] console, but with menus and all [21:34] including nano [21:34] no, nano is alien [21:34] ummm [21:34] remember that default editor for ms-dos 5/6? [21:34] isn't there a midnight commander for cli that has an editor built in? [21:35] remember that default editor for ms-dos 5/6? [21:35] damn [21:35] https://i.stack.imgur.com/dJQOG.png [21:36] fp, it seems [21:36] https://askubuntu.com/questions/42453/equivalent-text-editor-to-ms-dos-editor [21:36] mcedit [21:36] yes [21:37] wxl - belive it or not - we had a short term user that want us to make a "native", "original" Xfce [21:37] huh? [21:37] without mc mcedit "and such crap" installed [21:38] so - not a solution :D [21:38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander [21:38] that's what i was thinking of [21:38] but it uses $EDITOR [21:39] at least in ubuntu [21:39] upstream appears to have an actual editor https://www.gnu.org/software/mc/images/mc-edit-perl.png [21:39] oh [21:39] and that's mcedit [21:39] derp [21:39] but that's not the same as what redwolf was talking about [21:40] apt-file list mc [21:40] fp-ide looks pretty nice [21:51] ok - regarding the settings - look fine for the beginning - but someone should change some install pathes [21:51] redwolf: as i said - no problem [21:54] :) :* [21:55] i will file a bug with patch [21:55] not really a problem [21:55] * redwolf licks agaida [21:55] hihihi [21:57] and btw [21:57] 2018-01-26 14:00:35 featherpad (NEW) 0.7-1 uploaded by Alf Gaida (Closes: #869730) https://tracker.debian.org/featherpad [21:58] 2018-01-26 14:03:30 Closed #869730 in wnpp by Alf Gaida «ITP: featherpad -- FeatherPad is a lightweight Qt5 plain-text editor for Linux». https://bugs.debian.org/869730 [21:58] Debian bug 869730 in wnpp "ITP: featherpad -- FeatherPad is a lightweight Qt5 plain-text editor for Linux" [Wishlist, Fixed] [21:58] I like it: https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad [21:59] still a lot to do [21:59] there it is: kvantum working :) [21:59] oh and it has hamburger menu too! [21:59] my only problem with quantum - i don't like dark themes that much [21:59] kvantum [22:00] then don't use them [22:00] ;) [22:00] right [22:00] kvantum has lots of sets preinstalled [22:01] if i find the time i should make a package [22:01] for kvantum? [22:01] why not [22:01] https://github.com/tsujan/Kvantum/releases [22:02] first rule- never ever let programmers do packaging [22:02] :D why? poor things [22:02] second rule - never ever let programmers do packaging [22:02] aren't both the same rule? [22:03] no, not really [22:03] the second rule is far more important [22:03] mhm [22:03] well, if you did a kvantum package for the seed, it'd be ok for me :) and you're a coder [22:03] oh - i forget the ". Really - never!" [22:04] omg, sfte is soooo nice! it's like the good old wordstar [22:05] nope - i'm only an old grumpy guy - and our devs panic if i try to be a programmer [22:05] not so old ;) [22:05] nearly 49 [22:06] perfect :) [22:06] hihihi [22:06] still sexy! [22:11] yeah, my wife say this too - from time to time :P [22:13] is there a pull requst workflow on launchpad with git? [22:15] cool, the installer fails [22:15] :) [22:16] or better: apt fails with a script bug in initramfs-tools [22:18] and the installed system paniced with the usual kernel panic for i386 - damn, i should download a sane amd64 iso [22:20] done [22:22] O.O [22:23] the mirror was fast today- 25M [22:25] and i should mount my vbox dir to ssd [22:25] damn slow [22:31] ok - the initramfs bug isn't exactly nice- the amd64 segfaults too [22:31] installation - and i hate chrooting in just installed systems [22:38] bug found - whoever thought that it would be a good idea not to install ttf-dejavu - no, it wasn't [22:40] plymouth hook in initramfs-tools fails with dejavu not found - no created initramfs, not nice system start [22:54] why not just jumping to another font? [22:58] erm - if the initramfs is not created, the system don't start [22:58] and my most hated program need dejavu in it's hoolk [22:59] but with a little bit good will - the installed system finally give up and start into an nice black screen [22:59] CPU~Quad core AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core (-MCP-) speed~4294 MHz (max) Kernel~4.13.0-25-generic x86_64 Up~5 min Mem~360.7/7974.8MB HDD~10.7GB(44.8% used) Procs~145 Client~Quassel v0.12.4 inxi~2.3.56 [22:59] System: Host lnext Kernel 4.13.0-25-generic x86_64 bits 64 Desktop LXQt [22:59] Distro Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) [22:59] so what [23:00] but it should be fixed [23:00] oh right [23:02] but hey - after a bit chrooting and a bit normal magic the system runs fine [23:02] just installing git, devscripts and debhelpers [23:02] -s