| diddledan | kyrofa: I like the "potentially bonkers" comment :-D | 00:28 |
|---|---|---|
| diddledan | I'm sat here giggling to myself over that :-p | 00:29 |
| mup | Bug #1745528 opened: snap icon available <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745528> | 02:10 |
| bashfulrobot | Anyone around for a few (hopefully) quick questions? | 02:58 |
| bashfulrobot | If not, I'll pop back in the AM (PST). | 02:59 |
| bashfulrobot | TY | 02:59 |
| ikey | mornin | 05:17 |
| mborzecki | morning | 05:56 |
| zyga-ubuntu | good morning | 06:56 |
| zyga-ubuntu | FYI, I need to take today off, | 06:56 |
| zyga-ubuntu | last day of winter holidays for kids and I need to spend some time with them | 06:56 |
| mup | PR snapd#4532 closed: store: use the "publisher" when populating the "publisher" field <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4532> | 06:58 |
| mborzecki | zyga-ubuntu: hey, morning | 06:58 |
| zyga-ubuntu | hey! | 06:59 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I slept for hoooours | 06:59 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I woke up later at night and just briefly wandered here | 06:59 |
| mborzecki | yeah, today is monday you know? :) | 06:59 |
| zyga-ubuntu | man, I missed that sleep | 06:59 |
| zyga-ubuntu | haha! | 06:59 |
| zyga-ubuntu | good one :) I tried to fool our daughter a moment ago | 06:59 |
| mborzecki | haha | 06:59 |
| mborzecki | my kids are starting the break on monday ;) | 07:00 |
| zyga-ubuntu | oh, right :) | 07:01 |
| mborzecki | zyga-ubuntu: btw. sent you a small PR for snapd aur package: https://github.com/bboozzoo/aur-snapd/pull/1, nothing fancy | 07:01 |
| mup | PR bboozzoo/aur-snapd#1: snapd: fix generation of systemd unit files, use /etc/default/snapd as environment file <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/bboozzoo/aur-snapd/pull/1> | 07:01 |
| zyga-ubuntu | looking | 07:03 |
| zyga-ubuntu | done | 07:03 |
| mborzecki | zyga-ubuntu: can you belive that indent is no longer package in arch? | 07:04 |
| mborzecki | i played with arch CI yday and i was like 'wtf?' when it failed on installing indent | 07:04 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mborzecki: indent is a weird tool, I'd like to migrate away from it | 07:08 |
| zyga-ubuntu | and use clang-format | 07:08 |
| zyga-ubuntu | not only more widely available but much better output | 07:08 |
| mborzecki | zyga-ubuntu: briefly thought about dumping autotools in favor of cmake or meson, though the latter is not availble in 14.04 :/ | 07:08 |
| mborzecki | `yaml.reader.ReaderError: unacceptable character #xdce2: special characters are not allowed` on arch tests/main/snap-info | 07:11 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mborzecki: I cannot stand cmake syntax, I think ultimately what we have is bad but the alternatives are not widely available or are not fantastically better | 07:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mborzecki: that's a curious one | 07:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I ran into it 100s of times | 07:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | but it's a race somewhere | 07:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | memory is corrupted | 07:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I dumped the yaml text when this happened | 07:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | and I got random stuff all the time | 07:22 |
| zyga-ubuntu | it only ever surfaced on arch | 07:22 |
| zyga-ubuntu | perhaps due to a combination of compiler settings not used by other distributions | 07:22 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I didn't get to the bottom of it | 07:22 |
| zyga-ubuntu | try printing the buffer, I'm curious what you will get | 07:28 |
| mborzecki | zyga-ubuntu: found a related debian bug reported by Chipaca https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=806826 | 07:28 |
| mborzecki | anyways, reading the patch explains why pretending we're using a utf8 locale fixes the problem | 07:29 |
| mborzecki | `LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 python3 check.py < out` works just fine | 07:29 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mborzecki: how does python come into the picture? | 07:46 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mborzecki: I thought this was from golang | 07:46 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: hey | 07:46 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: I'm off today | 07:46 |
| zyga-ubuntu | need to leave in a few minutes anyway | 07:46 |
| mborzecki | zyga-ubuntu: no it's python3, there's a check.py script in tests/main/snap-info, we basically dump `snap info` output and then verify it with the script, and it chokes on the unicode up arrows | 07:47 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: hey, enjoy your day off | 07:49 |
| mborzecki | i still think that we should not produce any unicode output if locale does not support unicode | 07:49 |
| mvo | mborzecki: not knowing much context I agree | 07:50 |
| mvo | mborzecki: but that seems to be a broader issue, iirc our progress is also quite liberal with non ascii chars | 07:50 |
| mborzecki | mvo: the tests are using LANG=C.UTF-8 which is in a patched glibc, this does not work on arch, so the default ends up being C, `snap info` uses unicode characters in the output, the script checking `snap info`'s output is python3 which does magic behind the scenes depending on your locale, part of it i have already fixed, the other part makes pyyaml throw an exception when reading yaml input (ie.. snap info | 07:52 |
| mborzecki | output dump) | 07:52 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mborzecki: not the same bug then | 07:54 |
| * zyga-ubuntu -> afk | 07:56 | |
| mborzecki | zyga-ubuntu: not exactly, the patch does more than is written in the bug report :P | 07:56 |
| mvo | mborzecki: right, yeah, python is unhappy if the encoding does not match, I'm not surprised. a shames that C.utf-8 is not standarized | 08:00 |
| mborzecki | pstolowski: morning | 08:05 |
| pstolowski | hey! | 08:05 |
| kalikiana | o/ | 08:20 |
| kalikiana | morning, mborzecki | 08:20 |
| mborzecki | kalikiana: hey | 08:21 |
| Chipaca | mo'in | 08:53 |
| ikey | rawr | 08:53 |
| Chipaca | if you say so | 08:54 |
| mvo | hrm, hrm, looks like master is broken right now | 09:02 |
| mvo | search test failing | 09:02 |
| Chipaca | mvo: D: | 09:06 |
| mvo | Chipaca: unless you are looking into this already I will do so now | 09:06 |
| Chipaca | mvo: I was not | 09:06 |
| mborzecki | store related tests are randomly failing? | 09:22 |
| mup | PR snapd#4549 opened: tests: update "searching" test to match store changes <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4549> | 09:27 |
| mvo | mborzecki: hopefully not randomly but yes, everything is broken right now | 09:29 |
| mvo | mborzecki: see PR above | 09:29 |
| mborzecki | mvo: i've restarted #4487 5-6 times already, not counting the searching thing, there's failures in fetching snaps (either in prepare, or some refresh tests) | 09:30 |
| mup | PR #4487: cmd/snap: snap refresh --time with new and legacy schedules <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4487> | 09:30 |
| mvo | mborzecki: oh, more? sucks | 09:30 |
| mvo | mborzecki: sounds like a reason to talk to the good people from the store team :) | 09:31 |
| * mvo looks at the results | 09:31 | |
| mborzecki | mvo: regarding 4549, database is no longer listed in sections :/ any clue why? | 09:34 |
| mvo | mborzecki: yeah, I just talked to the store team - it just got removed, there is a set of new sections | 09:35 |
| mborzecki | hm can they confirm that all the sections are listed in `snap find --section`? | 09:36 |
| mvo | mborzecki: I think that is the case | 09:39 |
| mvo | mborzecki: in your current run it is just "searching" what failed so far | 09:41 |
| mvo | mborzecki: so fingers crossed :) | 09:41 |
| mborzecki | mvo: btw: maciek@corsair:github.com/snapcore/snapd (git)-[master] ./test-snap find --section=foobar | 09:41 |
| mborzecki | No matching snaps for "" | 09:41 |
| mvo | yeah, we should tweak the error | 09:41 |
| mvo | to include that the search was in a section | 09:41 |
| mborzecki | mvo: i can look into it | 09:41 |
| mvo | and/or show that there is no such section | 09:42 |
| mvo | not sure what metadata we get from the store | 09:42 |
| mvo | thanks mborzecki | 09:42 |
| Deknos | aloha, is there a bugtracker for snaps anywhere? | 09:44 |
| Deknos | i tried minikube and kubectl snaps on ubuntu 17.10 and debian, but it did not work. manual installation works, though. any idea how to write a issue/bug for snap? | 09:45 |
| mvo | Deknos: is this a issue with the snaps themself? or an issue with the snapd, i.e. can you not use any snaps on your system? if the former, there is a "contact" field in the "snap info" output that you can use to get in touch with the snap provider | 09:51 |
| mvo | Deknos: there is also forum.snapcraft.io where a lot of the snap developers hang around | 09:51 |
| Deknos | well it seems to have to do sth with the installation since manual installation works, but via snaps setup of the vms crash | 10:03 |
| Deknos | thanks, i'll try the forum. | 10:03 |
| mup | Bug #1669012 changed: Can't reinstall a snap already installed switching confinement mode <amd64> <apport-bug> <xenial> <snapd:Triaged> <snapd (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669012> | 10:04 |
| mvo | Deknos: good luck! | 10:09 |
| mborzecki | mvo: do you think a separate error message if no matches in section were found makes sense? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26463360/ | 10:22 |
| mvo | mborzecki: this looks good to me | 10:23 |
| mborzecki | mvo: well i'm counting on sections being cached (which they seem to be) as this does an additional cli.Sections() call :) | 10:24 |
| mup | PR snapd#4549 closed: tests: update "searching" test to match store changes <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4549> | 10:48 |
| niemeyer | Mornings | 11:04 |
| * ikey plays "Walking on sunshine" in response to "morning" | 11:04 | |
| niemeyer | ikey: I don't think I had ever seen that | 11:10 |
| ikey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUmE-tne5U | 11:11 |
| ikey | ^^ | 11:11 |
| ogra_ | ♬ ♪♩♬ | 11:12 |
| mup | PR snapd#4550 opened: cmd/snap: improve output when snaps were found in a section or the section is invalid <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4550> | 11:13 |
| niemeyer | ikey: Yeah, I just watched it.. not sure what to take from it.. my life will probably never be the same again | 11:17 |
| ikey | most welcome lol | 11:17 |
| ikey | so i tried jdstrand's recommendations this morning with snapd/apparmor | 11:19 |
| ikey | apparmor was most unhappy | 11:19 |
| ikey | gonna have to bite the bullet and just suck it up with the whole 4.8 requirement | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | niemeyer, would you mind adding a "yes this is right/no, nonsense" answer to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/what-happens-if-an-architectures-all-snap-becomes-arch-specific/3675 ? | 11:37 |
| niemeyer | ogra_: Will have a look | 11:38 |
| ogra_ | thanks | 11:38 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: About your question on arch yesterday, | 11:38 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: we never had our own arch image, I believe | 11:38 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: What likely happened was that you were using an arch image provided by Linode, which was obsoleted | 11:38 |
| mborzecki | niemeyer: yes, that was the case, fortunately spread -vv contains all the info about machine templates i need ;) | 11:38 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: I find a bit surprising to be honest | 11:39 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: I mean, anyway using that image is now broken | 11:39 |
| niemeyer | anyone | 11:39 |
| niemeyer | Looking at https://www.linode.com/distributions, the current one seems to be 2018.01.02 | 11:39 |
| mborzecki | niemeyer: switched to that version already | 11:40 |
| cachio_ | mvo, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26461903/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/26461941/ | 11:54 |
| cachio_ | mvo I see those errors on rpi2 and 3 when I refresh from stable to beta | 11:54 |
| mvo | cachio_: thanks, looking | 11:56 |
| mvo | cachio_: *hrm* smells like an issue with writable-path, let me dig | 11:58 |
| mvo | cachio_: out of curiosity, this did not happen on an x86 core device? | 12:00 |
| cachio_ | mvo, no | 12:00 |
| cachio_ | mvo, just on the pi | 12:01 |
| mvo | interessting | 12:01 |
| mvo | cachio_: and you said you refreshed from the previous stable, correct? a fresh image from stable and then refresh to beta? | 12:01 |
| cachio_ | mvo, I used the stable from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/16/stable/current/ | 12:02 |
| cachio_ | mvo, the factory one | 12:02 |
| mvo | cachio_: thank you, I give it a go | 12:02 |
| Chipaca | I'm not going to be here for the standup; I'm off to a school meeting (that'll probably extend into the afternoon) (I'll retroactively file for pto if it does) | 12:05 |
| mvo | Chipaca: thanks and see you | 12:07 |
| Chipaca | mvo: still here for another little while though :-) | 12:08 |
| Chipaca | meeting is 13:30, google says 30 minutes of driving (but midday rush is a thing) | 12:08 |
| mup | Issue snapcraft#1886 opened: Support for yarn --extra-args <bug> <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issue/1886> | 12:11 |
| mvo | cachio_: confusing, I just did install of the stable image, refreshed mnaully to beta rebooted and systemctl list-timers hows me the timer | 12:21 |
| mvo | cachio_: can you ssh into the board and run "systemctl list-timers --all" and paste that please? | 12:21 |
| cachio_ | sure | 12:21 |
| mup | PR snapd#4551 opened: interfaces: do not auto-connect manually disconnected interfaces <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4551> | 12:21 |
| cachio_ | mvo, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26463820/ | 12:22 |
| * kalikiana going to go for an earlier lunch in a few | 12:25 | |
| mup | PR snapd#4552 opened: testutil: do not use echo for printing potentially conflicting arguments <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4552> | 12:33 |
| mvo | cachio_: hm, how strange. in a meeting now, lets talk in a bit | 12:33 |
| cachio_ | mvo, np | 12:36 |
| mup | PR snapd#4547 closed: snap: fix race in `snap run --strace` <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4547> | 12:40 |
| ikey | will we have a jdstrand around today? primarily so i know in order to get my best begging face on | 12:47 |
| * ikey readies a spray bottle for the fake tears | 12:47 | |
| diddledan | ikey: https://youtu.be/elmwnUOtxu8?t=76 | 13:21 |
| ikey | hah perfect | 13:22 |
| mvo | cachio_: what is the output of "systemctl status snapd.snap-repair.timer" on the pi2? | 14:00 |
| mvo | cachio_: (or pi3) | 14:00 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, do you have any gsettings branch I can look at? or can describe the test case you want to achieve? | 14:01 |
| cachio_ | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26464226/ | 14:01 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, yes, on sec | 14:01 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, https://github.com/sergiocazzolato/snapd/tree/tests-interface-gsettings | 14:02 |
| cachio_ | there is a snap already uploded to the store | 14:02 |
| cachio_ | mvo, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26464226/ | 14:03 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, thanks, i'll have a lunch now and will take a look afterwards | 14:10 |
| * pstolowski lunch | 14:10 | |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, sure, just ping me | 14:13 |
| mvo | cachio_: thanks, I'm on it | 14:18 |
| mvo | cachio_: I think I found the issue and pushed a fix to the core build, will be part of ~rc2 | 14:22 |
| mup | PR core#79 opened: 26-fixup-core.chroot: fix snapd.snap-repair.timer enable symlink <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/79> | 14:22 |
| cachio_ | mvo, great | 14:23 |
| cachio_ | mvo, which is the problem that you found? | 14:23 |
| mvo | cachio_: its a problem with the writable-path stuff: https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/79/commits | 14:24 |
| mup | PR core#79: 26-fixup-core.chroot: fix snapd.snap-repair.timer enable symlink <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/79> | 14:24 |
| cachio_ | mvo, ohh, tx | 14:25 |
| kalikiana | kyrofa: Hey | 15:19 |
| kalikiana | kyrofa: Can I pick your brain on the checker callable used in the grammar? I was looking into "to" for strings, ie. the source property, and it adds ":armhf" and such because ToStatement doesn't know about packages or other properties | 15:20 |
| kyrofa | kalikiana, hahaha | 15:26 |
| kyrofa | Yeah we probably don't want that eh? | 15:26 |
| kyrofa | kalikiana, do you want to HO? | 15:27 |
| kalikiana | kyrofa: Yeah, we can have a quick chat now if you have time | 15:28 |
| kyrofa | kalikiana, I do | 15:30 |
| kalikiana | kyrofa: Shall we use the weekly? | 15:30 |
| kyrofa | weekly? | 15:30 |
| kyrofa | Yep | 15:30 |
| kyrofa | Oh wait, no | 15:30 |
| kyrofa | kalikiana, any chance you have skype? | 15:30 |
| kyrofa | I'm so stinking sick of chrome | 15:30 |
| kalikiana | kyrofa: I'm seeing a trend here :-D | 15:30 |
| kyrofa | Let's use that. Or talky | 15:30 |
| kyrofa | Is talky better? | 15:31 |
| kyrofa | I really don't care. Just something that doesn't require me to open chroem | 15:31 |
| kalikiana | kyrofa: Either one works for me | 15:31 |
| kalikiana | lol | 15:31 |
| kyrofa | Let's try talky. Hold on | 15:31 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, test-snapd-gsettings is the snap you meant? | 15:38 |
| cachio_ | yes | 15:38 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, | 15:38 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, oh wow, that snap is huge | 15:41 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, yes :s | 15:42 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, I see more plugs than just gsettings in its snap.yaml; is this intended to be used for many tests? | 15:46 |
| cachio_ | it is pluggin also desktop | 15:47 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, it is because it needs to access to destop files | 15:47 |
| bloodearnest | hey folks, is there any way to call setuid() at all from a strictly confined snap? E.G. to switch to the 'daemon' or 'nobody' user, which is in the core snap, I don't need to create a user (just can't run as root) | 15:51 |
| mup | Issue snapcraft#1887 opened: Update to ROS2 Ardent <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issue/1887> | 15:51 |
| bloodearnest | I thought there was some seccomp/apparmor provision for this, but I can't find any documentation on it | 15:52 |
| kyrofa | bloodearnest, no, it's in the design phases as I understand it, jdstrand will know more/all | 15:55 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, I think you could get rid of python-gi dependency (which already pulls a lot of stuff). glib comes with a gsettings cli that can query and set settings db | 16:03 |
| pstolowski | kyrofa, hey, where can I lookup the definition of desktop-gtk3 part? I knew it but forgot.. | 16:05 |
| kyrofa | pstolowski, snapcraft define | 16:06 |
| kyrofa | pstolowski, or do you want to update it? | 16:06 |
| pstolowski | kyrofa, no, just check it out | 16:06 |
| kyrofa | Yeah, that should work | 16:06 |
| pstolowski | kyrofa, thanks! | 16:06 |
| jdstrand | bloodearnest: not yet. it is on the roadmap. I suggest you keep an eye on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/multiple-users-and-groups-in-snaps/1461 | 16:09 |
| bloodearnest | kyrofa: jdstrand: ok, thanks | 16:10 |
| bloodearnest | fwiw, this make squid and postgres very difficult to run, as they both refuse to run as uid 0 | 16:10 |
| jdstrand | bloodearnest: note this is something I'd really like to see done, but it isn't prioritized high atm. the design is there and approved (which is good), but it is slow going | 16:10 |
| jdstrand | bloodearnest: but we'll get to it | 16:11 |
| jdstrand | bloodearnest: I think someone posted in the forum what to do with postgresql | 16:11 |
| jdstrand | bloodearnest: there is also the snapcraft preload plugin which LD_PRELOADs to make them no-ops | 16:11 |
| jdstrand | but like you say, the correct thing is to have this support. we'll get there | 16:12 |
| cachio_ | <cachio_> pstolowski, ok, I'll try that | 16:13 |
| cachio_ | <cachio_> pstolowski, apart of that, any idea about hot make it work on linode? | 16:13 |
| cachio_ | <cachio_> it was failing trying to create many directories | 16:13 |
| cachio_ | <cachio_> but then can't access to the gsettings user keys | 16:13 |
| cachio_ | <cachio_> it is just reading the values that come inside the snap | 16:13 |
| cachio_ | <cachio_> but when I try to update and see the change, the values have not been changed | 16:13 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, and you depend on desktop-gtk3 path to have the entire environment and schemas set, correct? | 16:14 |
| bloodearnest | jdstrand: ok, I'll check the forums for that. I don't think the preload plugin helps here - postgres has a hard coded if (geteuid() == 0), it doesn't try to drop privs itself, but forces you to do it | 16:14 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, I got disconnected, sorry | 16:14 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, yes | 16:14 |
| jdstrand | bloodearnest: someone specifically patched postgresql for the postgresql snap | 16:14 |
| cachio_ | I copied that from the gnome-calculator app | 16:14 |
| jdstrand | bloodearnest: so yes, you might have to patch. for now. but we'll get there | 16:14 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, so I think you should try to remove it as it pulls half of the desktop stuff obviously, and take a look at https://github.com/Ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/blob/master/common/desktop-exports | 16:15 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, this is part of the desktop-launch script afaict | 16:15 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, look at the gsettings stuff there | 16:15 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, you can basically replicate it | 16:15 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, ok, but the problem is that all the desktop part is not in the linode images | 16:16 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, so, the mappings in this script don't work | 16:17 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, yeah but we don't need it afaict | 16:17 |
| blackboxsw | pedronis: hi any suggestions on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/seed-yaml-documentation/3050/4 maybe --classic snaps can't be seeded ? | 16:18 |
| pstolowski | blackboxsw, he is off, back next week | 16:18 |
| blackboxsw | ahh excellent pstolowski thanks for the heads up | 16:19 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, ok, I'll try to clean this but first I need to figure out how to fix the current issue | 16:20 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, for example | 16:20 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, afaiu the snap should have glib as the base dependency. all the schema stuff is build in $SNAP_USER_DATA/.local/share (we should replicate this part of the script) | 16:20 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, and the test could use gsettings binary from the snap, no custom python to query gsettings data | 16:21 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, we should be able to test gsettings with just cli tools, no need for gtk and all the desktop stuff | 16:22 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, ok, I'll try this | 16:22 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, i'm not sure about the dconf part of the interface, it has a dbus snippet | 16:23 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, there is a dconf binary that can also query settings. but i don't know if it touches dbus | 16:23 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, no idea | 16:24 |
| ikey | so jdstrand to clarify, how am i going to move forward with the steam thing? | 16:24 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, if not, then we can use dbus-send cli or something else (not to pull python) | 16:24 |
| ikey | cuz that much i failed as yet to discern | 16:25 |
| ikey | but gathered "pending voodoo" being the trend | 16:25 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, well, just the bare python itself is not too bad, problems start when we pull too much stuff | 16:26 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, yes, agree | 16:27 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, I tried to simulate what the desktop team do but it is so complex for our tests | 16:27 |
| jdstrand | ikey: I'd like to get some feedback on cx vs px. I also want to come up with the rules to give you, then tell you the course forward | 16:30 |
| jdstrand | ikey: I have some work to do to give you all that | 16:30 |
| * jdstrand is in meetings today, but hopes to pick this up this afternoon | 16:30 | |
| pstolowski | cachio_, $SNAP/usr/bin/gsettings cli is a good enough test as it uses the same glib API that gui apps would use | 16:31 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, but as I say I don't know about the dbus part of the policy for dconf and what would be a good test for it (other than sending a dbus message manually with dbus-send or some such), perhaps someone from desktop team can explain | 16:34 |
| ikey | jdstrand, ok | 16:37 |
| ikey | i think ill have to pull my snaps out of the store | 16:37 |
| ikey | as i cant update them | 16:37 |
| jdstrand | ikey: ? why? | 16:38 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, ok, I'll start researching on this | 16:38 |
| ikey | because to develop them any further i need working strict confinement, and they're bugged out in their current state | 16:38 |
| ikey | and nobody else will have the interface they need to run them properly | 16:38 |
| ikey | etc | 16:38 |
| jdstrand | ikey: you could set 'grade: devel' and not push them to stable | 16:38 |
| ikey | ive not pushed to stable | 16:39 |
| ikey | because of my permanent chicken / egg cycle with this snap :P | 16:39 |
| jdstrand | I don't know if that is helpful or not, but an option | 16:39 |
| ikey | basically because i cant update them i cant testify to their security status | 16:41 |
| ikey | and would be more comfortable with withdrawing them entirely | 16:41 |
| ikey | as it reflects poorly on solus | 16:41 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, another question | 16:41 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26465150/ | 16:42 |
| cachio_ | hidraw should be just for gadgets? | 16:42 |
| jdstrand | well, regardless, I'll be working on this to give you what you need | 16:42 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, or it should be visible in any core? | 16:42 |
| cachio_ | pstolowski, based on that declaration | 16:43 |
| mup | PR core#79 closed: 26-fixup-core.chroot: fix snapd.snap-repair.timer enable symlink <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/79> | 16:43 |
| ikey | jdstrand, how would i go about unpublishing snaps..? | 16:43 |
| ikey | if such a concept exists | 16:43 |
| ikey | alternatively ill refresh the snaps without any of the new interfaces.. but ofc they remain broken | 16:45 |
| ikey | this is too much thinking for a friday -_- | 16:45 |
| jdstrand | ikey: I'm not sure tbh. perhaps roadmr or sergiusens can comment? | 16:45 |
| ikey | what would need to be done on your side out of interest? | 16:47 |
| ikey | re: enabling the globbing stuffs | 16:47 |
| pstolowski | cachio_, this declaration says the slot can be on gadget or core, but i've no idea whether this is correct or not | 16:48 |
| roadmr | ikey: the best way IIRC is to push a new snap and release that to the channel where the snap-you-want-unpublished is | 16:51 |
| roadmr | ikey: effectively superseding it really. Once it's not published on any channels, it'll be uninstallable for anyone, not even by specifying --revision | 16:52 |
| ikey | i mean like all revisions | 16:52 |
| roadmr | ikey: oh like just removing them from existence entirely? I don't think that can be done :( sorry | 16:53 |
| ikey | ah ok | 16:53 |
| roadmr | ikey: another way is to close all channels. snapcraft close stable | 16:53 |
| ikey | so ill need to push a gimped build then | 16:53 |
| ikey | roadmr, unfortunately i dont have a stable channel | 16:53 |
| roadmr | same for beta, edge, candidate. | 16:53 |
| roadmr | ikey: if the snap is on e.g. edge, you can close that too | 16:54 |
| ikey | ok ty | 16:54 |
| mup | PR snapd#4553 opened: many: add io.snapcraft.Settings to `snap userd` <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4553> | 16:58 |
| * kalikiana going to wrap up for the week shortly | 16:59 | |
| pstolowski | eow, o/ | 17:04 |
| mup | PR snapd#4554 opened: test build - ignore <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4554> | 17:06 |
| cachio_ | ogra_, hey | 17:08 |
| cachio_ | could you please confirm if the hidraw interface is available on any core device | 17:08 |
| cachio_ | ogra_, this is the declaration https://paste.ubuntu.com/26465150/ | 17:09 |
| mup | PR snapd#4553 closed: many: add io.snapcraft.Settings to `snap userd` <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4553> | 17:09 |
| mup | PR snapd#4554 closed: test build - ignore <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4554> | 17:09 |
| mvo | cachio_: I get dinner now, but the failure in 4073 is strange still :/ | 17:10 |
| cachio_ | mvo, checking | 17:11 |
| mup | PR snapd#4538 closed: interfaces/builtin: Add new steam-support interface <Created by ikeydoherty> <Closed by ikeydoherty> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4538> | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | cachio_, nops, uhid is there but not hidraw | 17:22 |
| ogra_ | cachio_, so core does not have it declared atm | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | (the core snap that is) | 17:23 |
| cachio_ | ogra_, ok | 17:26 |
| cachio_ | ogra_, tx | 17:26 |
| ogra_ | s/declared/exposed/ | 17:26 |
| ogra_ | np | 17:26 |
| cachio_ | ogra_, not sure why not | 17:29 |
| cachio_ | ogra_, it should | 17:29 |
| ogra_ | ogra@localhost:~$ snap interfaces|grep hid | 17:29 |
| ogra_ | :uhid | 17:29 |
| ogra_ | well, thats what i get | 17:29 |
| ogra_ | (on all core devices running here) | 17:30 |
| niemeyer | This is looking smooth... https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/jobs/333816377 | 17:30 |
| kyrofa | jdstrand, got a question for you. I have a user who's snap needs to be disabled/enabled _every boot_, otherwise every daemon prints this: "cannot change profile for the next exec call: No such file or directory" | 17:50 |
| kyrofa | jdstrand, can you think of a reason for this? | 17:50 |
| kyrofa | zyga-ubuntu, that ^ may interest you as well | 17:50 |
| zyga-ubuntu | kyrofa: ack | 17:51 |
| zyga-ubuntu | kyrofa: daemon should not do that | 17:51 |
| zyga-ubuntu | kyrofa: on restart we reload profiles | 17:51 |
| zyga-ubuntu | kyrofa: this smells like a container with apparmor disabled | 17:51 |
| zyga-ubuntu | kyrofa: fighting over apparmor from the parent host | 17:51 |
| zyga-ubuntu | kyrofa: if I'm right I'll get a t-shirt with some silly container stacking apparmor text | 17:52 |
| kyrofa | zyga-ubuntu, all I know so far is that it's hosted on aruba.it | 17:52 |
| zyga-ubuntu | yeah | 17:52 |
| kyrofa | zyga-ubuntu, if you're up for jumping into the discussion, it's here: https://github.com/nextcloud/nextcloud-snap/issues/425 | 17:52 |
| zyga-ubuntu | looks like it | 17:52 |
| mup | PR snapd#4553 opened: many: add io.snapcraft.Settings to `snap userd` <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4553> | 17:52 |
| mup | PR snapd#4554 opened: test build - ignore <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4554> | 17:52 |
| kyrofa | (including logs) | 17:52 |
| mup | PR snapd#4554 closed: test build - ignore <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4554> | 17:53 |
| kyrofa | Thanks zyga-ubuntu :) | 17:55 |
| zyga-ubuntu | my pleasure :) | 17:55 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I'm off today but back at my PC doing stuff so I can look for activity on that thread | 17:56 |
| mup | PR snapd#4553 closed: many: add io.snapcraft.Settings to `snap userd` <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4553> | 18:13 |
| mup | PR snapd#4546 closed: snap: tidy up top-level help output <Created by cjwatson> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4546> | 18:17 |
| mup | PR snapd#4555 opened: test -ignore <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4555> | 18:18 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: what are you testing? | 18:18 |
| mup | PR snapd#4552 closed: testutil: do not use echo for printing potentially conflicting arguments <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4552> | 18:19 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: I don't get why 4073 is failing | 18:20 |
| cachio_ | mvo, debugging it | 18:23 |
| cachio_ | mvo, it'll take a while | 18:23 |
| cachio_ | mvo, everithing is slowwww | 18:23 |
| cachio_ | mvo, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26465771/ | 18:25 |
| cachio_ | it is like we create the ubuntu core, something happens to the user | 18:26 |
| cachio_ | I stopped the test just after we reboot the machine | 18:26 |
| cachio_ | and I get that | 18:27 |
| cachio_ | and before it works | 18:27 |
| mvo | cachio_: oh, interessting | 18:27 |
| mvo | cachio_: I wonder what in this PR broke it, it does not touch any of this | 18:28 |
| cachio_ | mvo, the test user is not in cat /var/lib/extrausers/passwd | grep test | 18:31 |
| cachio_ | not sure why | 18:31 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: just fyi - I updated http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/tmp/snap-boot.svg this time with snaps, it shows that snap.mount runs before the two snaps (core, hello) are mount. the mountinfo file is https://paste.ubuntu.com/26465825/ | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | kyrofa: I've not seen that, but it sounds like snap-confine is running and trying to change profile to the snap's profile, but that profile is not loaded | 18:37 |
| mvo | cachio_: its super strange, I had issue with my local spread (gustavo helped me fixing it) and now I will try to get to the bottom of it | 18:37 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: oh, great, let me see | 18:38 |
| jdstrand | kyrofa: if it is happening on boot, that could be that the snap is starting before snapd starts and the apparmor init/unit isn't loading /var/cache/apparmor | 18:38 |
| cachio_ | mvo, I am waiting to get a debug session | 18:38 |
| mvo | cachio_: thank you, keep me updated please, curious if you hvae any ideas | 18:38 |
| zyga-ubuntu | jdstrand: can we detect apparmor is not stacked inside a container? | 18:38 |
| jdstrand | kyrofa: restarting snapd should cause snapd to load all the profiles | 18:38 |
| cachio_ | it is like for some reason the test user is not being added as a user in the files group gshadow passwd shadow | 18:38 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: still two mounts though | 18:38 |
| zyga-ubuntu | inspecting | 18:38 |
| jdstrand | zyga-ubuntu: can you rephrase? | 18:38 |
| zyga-ubuntu | jdstrand: sure, sorry, let's say I use a privileged lxd container that doesn't use apparmor stacking, can I detect that somehow from inside the container? | 18:39 |
| jdstrand | kyrofa, zyga-ubuntu: *if* the snap is running in a container, it certainly seems plausible that the detection logic is not working right | 18:39 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: question about the graph, what determines the width of a row? | 18:40 |
| zyga-ubuntu | they all seem to have the same width | 18:40 |
| zyga-ubuntu | is it "starting" or "finished" | 18:40 |
| zyga-ubuntu | is it possible that our tweaks on post-start run in parallel with snap mounts? | 18:40 |
| jdstrand | zyga-ubuntu: aiui, not as well as we should be able to. /lib/apparmor/functions has is_container_with_internal_policy() which is a hacky way of determining this | 18:41 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: thats an interessting idea | 18:41 |
| zyga-ubuntu | jdstrand: thank you, let me read it | 18:41 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: the man page claims that the ordering will be correct if one mount unit is below/above the mount hirarchy | 18:43 |
| mup | PR snapd#4555 closed: test -ignore <Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4555> | 18:45 |
| jdstrand | kyrofa, zyga-ubuntu: this seems similar to https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/01/09/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t03:34 | 18:47 |
| jdstrand | I think jjohansen developed a patch for that for artful | 18:47 |
| jdstrand | kyrofa: what kernel was that on? | 18:47 |
| kyrofa | jdstrand, uncertain, I'll ask for a `snap version` run | 18:48 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: yes but what about the extra scripts that run after that are defined in one mount unit | 18:52 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: there is currently no extra script, its just shared,bind in the options | 18:55 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: ahh | 18:57 |
| zyga-ubuntu | hmm hmm hmm | 18:58 |
| zyga-ubuntu | this makes litlte sense | 18:58 |
| zyga-ubuntu | would it bother you to drop the "shared" flag and rerun? | 18:58 |
| zyga-ubuntu | and see what we get in mountinfo please? | 18:58 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I'm suprprised you saw shared, in my testing shared was not working | 18:58 |
| zyga-ubuntu | can you tell me how to reproduce your setup? | 18:58 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: sure, one sec | 19:01 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: here the same without shared https://paste.ubuntu.com/26465983/ | 19:02 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: this is all on 16.04 classic | 19:02 |
| zyga-ubuntu | hmmm | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | odd | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | 137 89 7:0 / /snap/core/3887 ro,nodev,relatime shared:117 - squashfs /dev/loop0 ro | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | 138 23 7:0 / /snap/core/3887 ro,nodev,relatime shared:117 - squashfs /dev/loop0 ro | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | 143 89 7:1 / /snap/hello/20 ro,nodev,relatime shared:122 - squashfs /dev/loop1 ro | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | 144 23 7:1 / /snap/hello/20 ro,nodev,relatime shared:122 - squashfs /dev/loop1 ro | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | how come you get this? | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | thoey are all shared | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | is this running in a container on top of your 16.04? | 19:06 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: ^ ? | 19:17 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: this is a regular vm | 19:20 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: sorry for the delay | 19:20 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: no worries, I'm mostly wondering how this is possible | 19:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | mvo: is there any part of test prep code that makes /snap or / rshared? | 19:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | maybe this is an artefact | 19:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | was this done via spread | 19:21 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I was doing it in a boxes VM (so just plain KVM) on 16.04 with lxd and it was not getting the sharing | 19:22 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: this is all done manual, I used a stock 16.04 vm and added the mount unit manually | 19:22 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I see | 19:22 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: but no lxd here | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | hmm hm :) | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | curious | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | oh/ | 19:23 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: this is the pure vm | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | wait | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | but pure 16.04 vm doesn't have this problem | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | it's shared by default already | 19:23 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: I know, but if the fix produces double mounts thats a problem, no? or do we not care? | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | (the duplication is a curious issue but it's not the main problem in containers) | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | yeah, we may care | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I wonder what is really going on | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | ok, this made me curous | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | *curious | 19:23 |
| zyga-ubuntu | I will explore | 19:24 |
| mvo | zyga-ubuntu: ok, I will do the mount unit generated via postinst script step next | 19:24 |
| mvo | cachio_: I know what breaks it - I added a zenity recommends that seems to cause the failure, I will dig into the details monday, peace of mind in the end :) | 19:59 |
| cachio_ | mvo, heehhe | 20:00 |
| cachio_ | mvo, ok | 20:00 |
| cachio_ | mvo, btw, I have doctor app on monday, not sure if I'll be at home for the standup | 20:01 |
| mvo | cachio_: no worries | 20:01 |
| mvo | cachio_: thanks for letting me know | 20:01 |
| cachio_ | tx | 20:01 |
| Chipaca | sergiusens: question: is snapcraft validating snap version strings? | 20:15 |
| mup | PR snapd#4544 closed: spread: remove more EOLed releases <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4544> | 20:16 |
| kyrofa | Chipaca, yeah, to ^[a-zA-Z0-9.+~-]+$ and max length of 32 | 20:23 |
| Chipaca | kyrofa: k thx | 20:23 |
| kyrofa | Chipaca, is that okay? Has it changed? | 20:24 |
| Chipaca | kyrofa: snapd doesn't care :-) but i'm writing code in snapd that cares a little bit | 20:24 |
| kyrofa | Gotcha | 20:24 |
| Chipaca | i mean, if the version is valid, i'll use it in a filename | 20:25 |
| Chipaca | if it's not, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:25 |
| Chipaca | looking at that regexp, me, I wouldn't let versions end in ~, but again ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:26 |
| Chipaca | i mean, a version of 4.~1~ would be somewhat confusing | 20:26 |
| Chipaca | at least to those of us used to VERSION_CONTROL=numbered | 20:27 |
| kyrofa | Heck, same goes for the rest probably | 20:27 |
| Chipaca | I could see people ending it in + | 20:29 |
| Chipaca | still, very minor friday-what-am-i-doing-at-the-keyboard nitpick | 20:29 |
| * Chipaca ponders beer | 20:29 | |
| cachio_ | Chipaca, any idea why the hidsraw interface is not visible? | 20:40 |
| Chipaca | cachio_: no. visible where? | 20:43 |
| Chipaca | cachio_: I don't have a hidsraw in my tree (but i haven't synced today) | 20:44 |
| cachio_ | Chipaca, hidraw | 20:48 |
| Chipaca | cachio_: do you have /dev/hidraw*? | 20:49 |
| cachio_ | yes | 20:50 |
| Chipaca | cachio_: dunno, then :-) | 20:51 |
| cachio_ | Chipaca, hehe, np | 20:52 |
| cachio_ | do you have the interface? | 20:52 |
| diddledan | so one crazy SOB just got wine running | 21:11 |
| diddledan | just rebuilding my snap to be sure I wasn't dreaming | 21:12 |
| * Chipaca EODs | 21:22 | |
| * Chipaca EOWs | 21:22 | |
| * Chipaca EOLs | 21:22 | |
| mup | PR snapcraft#1888 opened: elf: make patchelf a dependency <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1888> | 21:49 |
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| Son_Goku | need testing for snapd 2.30 update for Fedora 26: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2018-798e0f02ff | 22:27 |
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