| robert_ancell | jbicha, could you do a snapd-glib release into Debian (1.32) | 01:55 |
|---|---|---|
| jbicha | done | 02:08 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, thanks! | 02:20 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:38 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:07 |
| seb128 | jbicha, bug 1741027 seems like the vino update/new screen sharing u-c-c panel transition was buggy | 08:38 |
| ubot5 | bug 1741027 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "screen sharing panels abort using an unexistant vino gsettings key" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741027 | 08:38 |
| willcooke | morning all | 08:59 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 09:00 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 09:00 |
| Laney | hey ho | 09:03 |
| didrocks | ho ho ho Laney | 09:05 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 09:05 |
| Laney | hey didrocks hey seb128, happy friday to you | 09:10 |
| seb128 | happy friday indeed! | 09:10 |
| didrocks | f r i d a y ! | 09:10 |
| * didrocks is fried by the week :p | 09:11 | |
| didrocks | so completely on topic! | 09:11 |
| Laney | :( | 09:12 |
| Laney | why fried? | 09:12 |
| Laney | (does it mean you are tasty now?) | 09:12 |
| didrocks | too many things to prepare work and extra-work this week. Busy week in a nutshell :) | 09:13 |
| didrocks | tasty, I'm not sure, fat, yes… :) | 09:13 |
| willcooke | oSoMoN, looks like something might be happening with the Cr. patches for vaapi at last | 09:51 |
| willcooke | https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/532294 | 09:51 |
| oSoMoN | willcooke, yes, I saw that yesterday, that's potentially good news | 10:00 |
| oSoMoN | I'll rebuild my test PPA with the updated patches on top of the latest dev branch | 10:01 |
| willcooke | nice | 10:01 |
| seb128 | jibel, when you were testing the g-s on xenial issue you also said you were able to trigger the gwakeup issue, did you manage to get debug info about that one? | 10:03 |
| jibel | seb128, no, you still need it? I could only reproduce on not fully up to date systems | 10:05 |
| jibel | I can do it if you want | 10:05 |
| seb128 | jibel, if it's fixed after updating there is no need to I guess, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/70c23d0f4e2be24b26672427d4218dc8f0823597 seems to suggest it got lot of reports on old versions and almost none on updated ones, so either nobody has the update or it got resolved | 10:07 |
| seb128 | jibel, let see how things are looking once more users are upgradeds if the update-notifier change has the wanted impact | 10:08 |
| jibel | seb128, I monitoring this crash for a week or 2, we'll see if the number of reports drops or not. Then I'll spend time on reproducing the issue if it is still happening on newer version | 10:09 |
| jibel | + 'm | 10:09 |
| seb128 | sounds good | 10:09 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:09 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey, I think didrocks meant that desktop-bugs should be subscribed to those packages which I'm adding now | 10:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: apparently, it's not dekstop-bugs only | 10:24 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ? | 10:24 |
| didrocks | see the discussion we had with Steve | 10:24 |
| seb128 | where/when? | 10:24 |
| didrocks | weeks ago on -devel | 10:24 |
| * didrocks looks | 10:24 | |
| seb128 | well there is an old argument desktop-packages vs desktop-bugs | 10:24 |
| seb128 | if that's what you refear to | 10:24 |
| seb128 | but nothing concerning canonical-desktop iirc | 10:25 |
| didrocks | 2018-01-08 17:25:28slangasekdidrocks: the expected subscriber for MIRs is desktop-packages | 10:25 |
| didrocks | yep, I wasn't sure about the team name | 10:25 |
| didrocks | so, I guess sub desktop-packages | 10:25 |
| seb128 | right, the same old argument -packages vs -bugs | 10:25 |
| seb128 | I can do if you prefer, I'm not interested in having that argument again :p | 10:26 |
| didrocks | yeah, same here, just subscribe both… :p | 10:26 |
| seb128 | done | 10:26 |
| didrocks | thx | 10:26 |
| Trevinho | seb128: oh, how many groups are there? :-) | 10:30 |
| didrocks | too many | 10:31 |
| didrocks | that's the answer :) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, desktop-bugs which we think is right and desktop-packages that some people like to argue about | 10:31 |
| jibel | out of curiosity, what's the difference between -bugs and -packages? | 10:31 |
| seb128 | so let's subscribe both and avoid entering another argument | 10:31 |
| Trevinho | seb128: so, how subscribe to those? are they groups or need to add as other affected? | 10:32 |
| didrocks | -packages is the list used for release tracking IIRC | 10:32 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I did it | 10:32 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I can't see those in the subscrivers list | 10:32 |
| Trevinho | I mean in the may be notified | 10:32 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fprintd | 10:32 |
| seb128 | "Subscribers | 10:33 |
| seb128 | To all bugs in fprintd in Ubuntu: | 10:33 |
| seb128 | Desktop Packages | 10:33 |
| seb128 | " | 10:33 |
| seb128 | on the top right | 10:33 |
| didrocks | jibel: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/01/08/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t16:24 for context | 10:33 |
| seb128 | jibel, unsure what the difference is, desktop-bugs is the oldest and the one we used historically, desktop-packages was created by pedro to do some qa reports later and the MIR team decided that was the one to use (wrongly imho) | 10:34 |
| seb128 | now we have both for sort of the same purpose but not exactly | 10:34 |
| didrocks | it's weird to see llvm-toolchain-* being in desktop-packages | 10:34 |
| Trevinho | seb128: ah, ok so wass per peroject | 10:34 |
| seb128 | desktop-packages is boggus | 10:34 |
| Laney | I was going to move one over | 10:34 |
| Trevinho | project... Can't type today | 10:34 |
| seb128 | imho | 10:34 |
| Laney | doesn't really matter to me which way we do that | 10:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: not all the MIR team, that wasn't discussed in any MIR team meeting | 10:35 |
| Laney | presume some things will need to be updated either way | 10:35 |
| Laney | reports or what have you | 10:35 |
| seb128 | right | 10:36 |
| seb128 | well it's boggus and annoying to fix and nobody seems interested/having enough of a clue to sort it out | 10:37 |
| seb128 | so we are likely going to keep having 2 lists not in sync with people disagreeing on which one is the correct one | 10:37 |
| seb128 | it's not like those lists were really useful or used anyway | 10:37 |
| Laney | just seems to be causing friction every now and again | 10:38 |
| Laney | I'll get to it at some point :-) | 10:38 |
| * Laney adds a card if there isn't one already | 10:38 | |
| seb128 | the problem is that we don't know what teams are used were | 10:38 |
| seb128 | so I guess job 1 would be to investigate all reports/services/scripts to see what is being used were | 10:39 |
| seb128 | but that's a bit tedious and likely to be miss some | 10:39 |
| Laney | ok, well if you don't think I should work on it then delete the card or whatever | 10:44 |
| seb128 | oh, no, if you feel like figuring those details out feel free | 10:47 |
| seb128 | it would be clearner to only have one team | 10:48 |
| jibel | create a third team and subscribe it to the 2 other teams :P | 11:01 |
| jibel | desktop-bugs-and-packages | 11:01 |
| jibel | but then there will be discussion whether it should be bugs-and-packages or packages-and-bugs ... | 11:02 |
| Laney | I wrote a script that mails you a turd if you even think about the wrong one | 11:02 |
| GunnarHj | Hi Laney, I've proposed a new upload of libpinyin: | 11:14 |
| GunnarHj | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-libpinyin/+bug/1735362/comments/19 | 11:14 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1735362 in ibus-libpinyin (Ubuntu) "Replace ibus-sunpinyin with ibus-libpinyin" [Medium,In progress] | 11:14 |
| GunnarHj | Do you think that will eliminate the autopkgtest confusion? | 11:14 |
| GunnarHj | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/bionic/update_excuses.html#libpinyin | 11:14 |
| Laney | hey GunnarHj | 11:15 |
| Laney | depends on if your new version breaks libzhuyin or not :-) | 11:16 |
| Laney | you can probably install your new package in a container and run the libzhuyin tests yourself to see | 11:17 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: With the new version all binaries built by libpinyin and libzhuyin can co-exist. (I don't know how to perform the tests.) | 11:18 |
| Laney | GunnarHj: argh sorry I forgot to reply to you - http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html#executing-the-test | 12:28 |
| Laney | the first example except you can give it your .deb files after the name of the source package to test | 12:28 |
| Laney | libzhuyin *.deb -- qemu ... | 12:28 |
| Laney | then it'll use those .debs to satisfy deps | 12:29 |
| jbicha | didrocks: what happened with GNOME bug 786496 ? | 12:44 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 786496 in general "Replace custom override schema with per-desktop override" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786496 | 12:44 |
| didrocks | jbicha: didn't hear back from desrt since | 12:45 |
| didrocks | and it seems no other glib maintainer is picking it up | 12:45 |
| jbicha | I guess I can email her and ask… | 12:45 |
| didrocks | feel free :) | 12:46 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, good morning! I have an upload of libreoffice ready, would you mind uploading it on my behalf? https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-5.4.4/ | 12:50 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, happy to | 13:25 |
| oSoMoN | thanks kenvandine | 13:40 |
| willcooke | jibel, which is the preferred tag for generic wayland bugs, wayland-session or wayland? | 13:45 |
| Laney | weeee, the nm captive portal toggle in g-c-c just got committed | 13:45 |
| willcooke | Laney, nice! | 13:45 |
| jbicha | willcooke: 'wayland', 'wayland-session' is automatically for every apport-assisted bug filed from Wayland | 13:56 |
| willcooke | jbicha, ta | 13:56 |
| jbicha | yay, Network Connectivity privacy switch just landed in gnome-control-center git | 14:00 |
| Laney | deja vu | 14:01 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: If you have a minute (or two), it would be great if you could sponsor this: | 14:02 |
| GunnarHj | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-libpinyin/+bug/1735362/comments/19 | 14:02 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1735362 in ibus-libpinyin (Ubuntu) "Replace ibus-sunpinyin with ibus-libpinyin" [Medium,In progress] | 14:02 |
| lyr[m] | Hello | 14:05 |
| lyr[m] | Anyone can tell me the exact genisoimage command to make a custom ubuntu iso ? | 14:06 |
| lyr[m] | (I already have my custom ks.cfg, extracted official iso content & so on) | 14:06 |
| amano | since we are going to rename the session names again: would "Ubuntu (compatiblity mode)" vs. Ubuntu (extended security mode)" something to consider instead of "Ubuntu on Xorg" vs "Ubuntu on Wayland". More descriptive for less tech savy persons? | 14:20 |
| amano | just for discussion if nobody has brought that up before. | 14:20 |
| mdeslaur | extended security? | 14:21 |
| * mdeslaur doesn't like that | 14:21 | |
| amano | hasn't to be that term of course ;) | 14:21 |
| mdeslaur | how about "Ubuntu (flickering firefox experience)" ;) | 14:22 |
| amano | LOL ;) | 14:22 |
| seb128 | amano, if you find descriptions that make sense why not | 14:30 |
| seb128 | amano, those you suggested might be inacurrate/misleading though | 14:30 |
| seb128 | I expect it's going to be difficult to find wording that has consensus | 14:31 |
| amano | (altough the coming Firefox wayland might fix some Firfox problems on xwayland) | 14:31 |
| mdeslaur | Ubuntu vs. Ubuntu (Wayland preview) | 14:31 |
| jbicha | Old School! | 14:32 |
| amano | ;) that keeps people knowing about the "Wayand" term | 14:32 |
| amano | ...having to know... | 14:33 |
| mdeslaur | seems to me the only people interested in testing it would be specifically the people who want to try wayland | 14:34 |
| jbicha | amano: I think that's a good thing. We do want people to be able to Google for any issues they have with it | 14:34 |
| amano | it would be more descriptive than just "on Wayland" | 14:34 |
| amano | so people know that it is some kind of tech preview | 14:35 |
| mdeslaur | personally, I don't even think it makes sense to ship it visible by default...why would my dad want that? at least the word "preview" would indicate it's not something they should normally use | 14:35 |
| mdeslaur | my 2c | 14:35 |
| gQuigs | will it be a tech preview or will it be a supportable path people an use? | 14:35 |
| gQuigs | can use | 14:35 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, libreoffice ftbfs | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.4-0ubuntu2 | 14:36 |
| jbicha | gQuigs: can't it be both? :) | 14:37 |
| amano | Either way. Maybe worth discussing. It was just an idea when reading WIll's announcement | 14:38 |
| gQuigs | jbicha: to some extent sure, just wondering if we should recommend it to those who want slightly more confined apps or not | 14:41 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, I hate this, it was building fine against proposed yesterday :/ | 14:42 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, and it's building fine on all other arches, what's up with amd64? | 14:43 |
| jbicha | gQuigs: my opinion is that it's fine to recommend it to people who understand what isn't supported (apps like synaptic; remote desktop; most screen capture apps; NVIDIA) | 14:46 |
| jbicha | oSoMoN: I don't think it's building fine on other arches, it didn't the first time | 14:47 |
| jbicha | but LO 6 is next week any way, rigth? | 14:47 |
| oSoMoN | ah, so it's been retried? | 14:47 |
| jbicha | oSoMoN: oops, I thought you were looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.3-0ubuntu2 | 14:48 |
| oSoMoN | yeah LO 6 is next week but I'll need 5.4.4 in bionic to SRU it to artful | 14:54 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, technically you need uploaded, whcih you did now | 14:55 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, it's to make sure it's not forgotten/mssing from the new serie | 14:56 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, now it's in the proposed pocket and just needs fixing/iterating, but by itself that should be enough for the SRU team | 14:56 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hey, did you see that the vino/u-c-c changes are buggy? | 14:56 |
| jbicha | seb128: yes, I'm trying to ping the Unity guys (Khurshid I guess) about that | 14:57 |
| seb128 | technically you are the one who approved the merge and did the sync :p | 14:57 |
| seb128 | but yeah, if they can/want fix it that works as well | 14:57 |
| jbicha | when I uploaded, I tested that it built and that it ran, I didn't test if it worked :| | 14:58 |
| jbicha | I probably ran it with old vino installed so it wouldn't have crashed then | 14:58 |
| seb128 | indeed | 14:59 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, debhelper dh_scour problem? | 15:04 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 15:04 |
| jbicha | chrisccoulson: could you push Firefox 58 to bionic too? | 15:06 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, ah, good to know that technically that's enough | 15:06 |
| oSoMoN | hey ricotz | 15:06 |
| oSoMoN | that doesn't seem related to dh_scour | 15:07 |
| oSoMoN | configure: WARNING: glm/glm.hpp: present but cannot be compiled | 15:07 |
| ricotz | ok, haven't looked at it, firefox failed on bionic-proposed with missing dh_scour error. | 15:08 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, would you mind retrying https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.4-0ubuntu2/+build/14277897 , just to make sure it's not transient? | 15:09 |
| oSoMoN | or was it retried already? | 15:11 |
| seb128 | I don't think it was, I just did | 15:15 |
| oSoMoN | thanks seb128 | 15:19 |
| * oSoMoN crosses fingers | 15:19 | |
| seb128 | yw | 15:19 |
| ricotz | chrisccoulson, please see PM | 15:22 |
| seb128 | ricotz, it's a weird habit to ping people on public channels to tell them to see private message, that's a content which is of no use to the channel and probably don't make people you ping notice more the direct msg | 15:24 |
| seb128 | ricotz, also I said that in the past but you can also ask your questions directly here, maybe it's useful to others as well | 15:25 |
| ricotz | seb128, I disagree, imo a private message is more discoverable that way (in my client) | 15:26 |
| ricotz | seb128, I would ask a question here if it weren't so specific | 15:27 |
| seb128 | hum, k, I overlooked that people might use a boggus IRC lient | 15:27 |
| ricotz | seb128, do you have an opinion on changes in the distribution.ini of firefox? | 15:27 |
| seb128 | ricotz, I don't personnally :) | 15:27 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, retry failed the same way | 15:28 |
| oSoMoN | bleh | 15:28 |
| ricotz | ok, so this isn't really a question for the channel imo ;) | 15:28 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, did you notice this? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432781 | 15:30 |
| ubot5 | Mozilla bug 1432781 in Release Automation "Snap 59.0b3 is not localized anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 15:30 |
| oSoMoN | doko, libreoffice 5.4.4 (with the libpoppler version patch) built fine yesterday against bionic-proposed, and now FTBFS again | 15:31 |
| oSoMoN | could it be caused by the gcc 7 update? | 15:32 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, yes, I actually initially reported the issue | 15:35 |
| oSoMoN | and Johan filed the bug | 15:35 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, good :) | 15:35 |
| jbicha | mdeslaur: btw, I think we can remove gksu from bionic once someone fixes mythtv LP: #1740618 | 15:37 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1740618 in umit (Ubuntu) "Remove unmaintained gksu reverse dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1740618 | 15:37 |
| mdeslaur | why, don't people use that manually? | 15:38 |
| jbicha | we'll get some hate mail for it | 15:39 |
| jbicha | it's unmaintained and deprecated and will be removed from Debian completely really soon | 15:39 |
| mdeslaur | we'd remove most of universe if that's the criteria for removing stuff ;) | 15:42 |
| jbicha | (I do think we should consider removing all the old stuff that isn't in Debian…) | 15:43 |
| jbicha | gksu was useless with Ubuntu's Wayland session and is not the recommended way of doing things even for users | 15:43 |
| jbicha | the gvfs admin:/// support works well (although it's not easily discoverable, although gksu isn't discoverable either) | 15:44 |
| mdeslaur | but it's still useful for people running xorg...and it's in universe...besides upsetting people who use it, I don't see why it would get removed | 15:44 |
| jbicha | why does anyone need to use gksu? | 15:44 |
| mdeslaur | why does anyone need to use epiphany? | 15:46 |
| * mdeslaur shrugs | 15:47 | |
| gQuigs | but seriously, if I really want to run nautilus with root I can do sudo nautilus.. (but don't do that!) | 15:48 |
| gQuigs | what does gksu give people that they would want to complain about? | 15:48 |
| gQuigs | err. complain if it's removed that sudo wouldn't? | 15:48 |
| mdeslaur | I know of people who use it to ask for a password in a graphical way to be able to run a script with elevated privileges | 15:50 |
| mdeslaur | I really don't care, I just don't see the point of removing stuff from universe | 15:50 |
| gQuigs | I wonder how hard it is do what systemctl does.. guessing that's policykit... | 15:55 |
| gQuigs | cleaner archive with less old outdated software | 15:55 |
| gQuigs | but I thought if a package has no Ubuntu changes it was autoremoved from the Ubuntu archive.. guess I'm mistaken | 15:56 |
| jbicha | gQuigs: gksu does have an ubuntu1 changelog. And that semi-autoremoval only happens for removals from unstable with no rdepends so it doesn't help here | 16:04 |
| gQuigs | jbicha: that makes sense, but what about a package like aptoncd with no rdpends at all? seems a lot of these leaf packages should have already disappeared | 16:11 |
| jbicha | I think the "semi" is important here ;) | 16:13 |
| gQuigs | gotcha :) | 16:14 |
| s10gopal | battery drain when laptop is off ,acip relater bug #ubuntu users said | 16:45 |
| Laney | I find myself listening to drum n bass | 17:53 |
| oSoMoN | week-end is here, see you all on Monday | 17:58 |
| Laney | bye oSoMoN! | 17:58 |
| Laney | ah yay, just got a systemd timer fired alarm in gnome-clocks to work | 18:01 |
| Laney | happy end to the week | 18:01 |
| Laney | laters potaters | 18:02 |
| willcooke | night all | 18:32 |
| === doko is now known as doko__ | ||
| === doko__ is now known as doko | ||
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, hey, are you still around? | 23:07 |
| oSoMoN | I’ve prepared a patched glm that should fix the libreoffice FTBFS, all it needs is an uploader: https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/glm/ | 23:08 |
| oSoMoN | (I'll forward to debian on Monday, just wanted to get the thing unblocked asap) | 23:08 |
| oSoMoN | and I’ve attached the corresponding debdiff to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+bug/1745685 | 23:13 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1745685 in glm (Ubuntu) "FTBFS with gcc 7.3.0-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] | 23:13 |
| oSoMoN | with that, I'm off to bed :) | 23:13 |
| === doko is now known as doko__ | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!