[08:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:40] <BobMottram[m]> G'day
[15:01] <SuperMatt> friday friday friday
[15:27] <Azelphur> gotta get down on friday?
[15:27] <SuperMatt> OH GOD
[15:27] <SuperMatt> You had to remind us, didn't you?
[15:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:28] <daftykins> we have it as a trigger in another channel (:
[15:28] <daftykins> bit like a rick-rolling but without a good tune
[15:33] <SuperMatt> If it wasn't for the fact that no one is around much in the office on a friday, I'd have it blast out of the speakers of my work machine
[15:47] <daftykins> i thought nobody around would be the reason *to* play it ;D
[16:11] <diddledan> epic teacher is epic: https://twitter.com/heydebigale/status/956922033023074304
[16:19] <daftykins> guaranteed every student just thought she'd stayed out all night
[21:09] <ana_> hi. ubuntu just did the normal update, when restarting, wi-fi just won't connect
[21:10] <ana_> keeps asking for password then asks again
[21:21] <daftykins> forget the network entirely, try that
[21:35] <daftykins> ana_: did you try that?
[21:35] <daftykins> or are you getting support elsewhere...
[22:09] <ana_> try what?
[22:09] <ana_> daftykins, i am not getting support elsewhere
[22:09] <ana_> i googled it, no solution
[22:09] <daftykins> 21:21 < daftykins> forget the network entirely, try that
[22:10] <ana_> what is "that"
[22:10] <daftykins> the first part of the sentence
[22:10] <daftykins> FORGET THE NETWORK
[22:11] <ana_> yes i'm using ethernet now, i.e. cable not wifi. other wise i woun't be talking ...
[22:11] <ana_> here ...
[22:11] <diddledan> methinks there's a lingo barrier
[22:12] <ana_> yes. me not know lingo. plain english needed please :)
[22:12] <daftykins> saving a wireless network is how it's usually used, so delete the profile for it, so it doesn't remember it
[22:12] <daftykins> it was totally clear to me, i have no idea how any English speaker can fail to understand that
[22:13] <ana_> tried that, didn't work
[22:13] <ana_> (i think)
[22:13] <daftykins> confirm.
[22:14] <ana_> deleted the network from the list of networks, re-found it, re-entered password. problem not solved
[22:15] <daftykins> can you run: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:15] <ana_> http://termbin.com/w9rs
[22:17] <daftykins> oh dear
[22:17] <daftykins> diddledan: i did it again
[22:18] <diddledan> damn you did. that's a nasty disk right there
[22:18] <daftykins> ana_: umm, aside from the wifi issue - your hard disk is faulty and if you have any important data on it, you are living on borrowed time
[22:19] <daftykins> likely the upgrade has caused breakage by writing to bad areas
[22:20] <ana_> ok. so i should change the hard drive?
[22:20] <ana_> thank you daftykins
[22:20] <daftykins> yep
[22:20] <daftykins> no problem
[22:20] <ana_> ok thank you
[22:20] <ana_> so that's the next step then ... thanks
[22:21] <ana_> can i ask further .. why would my hard drive be damaged?
[22:21] <daftykins> age
[22:21] <daftykins> looks like a 320GB museum piece
[22:21] <ana_> hmm
[22:21] <ana_> oh
[22:21] <diddledan> UDMA/133 - IDE
[22:21] <ana_> hehe
[22:21] <daftykins> ana_: if you wouldn't mind one more command: sudo apt install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:21] <daftykins> (select 'no configuration' when/if a screen asks
[22:21] <daftykins> )
[22:21] <ana_> can i ask what that will do
[22:22] <daftykins> share the diagnostics information of your disk with us, nothing personally identifiable
[22:22] <daftykins> just confirms how far gone it is
[22:22] <diddledan> it will install smartmontools then it will ran smartctl then it will post to termbin.com
[22:22] <daftykins> ^
[22:22] <diddledan> reading goes from left to right
[22:22] <ana_> $ sudo apt install smartmontool
[22:22] <ana_> [sudo] password for ana:
[22:22] <ana_> Reading package lists... Done
[22:22] <ana_> Building dependency tree
[22:22] <ana_> Reading state information... Done
[22:22] <ana_> E: Unable to locate package smartmontool
[22:23] <daftykins> it's smartmontools
[22:23] <ana_> $ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:23] <ana_> sudo: smartctl: command not found
[22:23] <ana_> ah
[22:23] <ana_> shoiuld i answer everything yes?
[22:23] <daftykins> yep
[22:24] <ana_> ok
[22:24] <ana_> oh dear
[22:24] <ana_> can i post here?
[22:24] <daftykins> yep
[22:24] <ana_> Package configuration
[22:24] <ana_>                ┌───────────────────────────┤ Postfix Configuration ├───────────────────────────┐
[22:24] <ana_>                │ Please select the mail server configuration type that best meets your needs.  │
[22:24] <ana_>                │                                                                               │
[22:24] <ana_>                │  No configuration:                                                            │
[22:24] <ana_>                │   Should be chosen to leave the current configuration unchanged.              │
[22:24] <ana_>                │  Internet site:                                                               │
[22:24] <ana_>                │   Mail is sent and received directly using SMTP.                              │
[22:24] <ana_>                │  Internet with smarthost:                                                     │
[22:24] <ana_>                │   Mail is received directly using SMTP or by running a utility such           │
[22:24] <diddledan> ee gads
[22:24] <daftykins> oh i thought you meant the URL
[22:24] <ana_>                │   as fetchmail. Outgoing mail is sent using a smarthost.                      │
[22:24] <daftykins> select 'no configuration' there
[22:24] <ana_>                │  Satellite system:                                                            │
[22:24] <ana_>                │   All mail is sent to another machine, called a 'smarthost', for delivery.    │
[22:24] <ana_>                │  Local only:                                                                  │
[22:24] <ana_>                │   The only delivered mail is the mail for local users. There is no network.   │
[22:24] <ana_>                │                                                                               │
[22:24] <ana_>                │ General type of mail configuration:                                           │
[22:24] <ana_>                │                                                                               │
[22:24] <ana_>                │                           No configuration           ↑                        │
[22:24] <ana_>                │                           Internet Site              ▮
[22:25] <ana_> sorry :)
[22:25] <ana_> (Reading database ... 95%
[22:25] <ana_> what i am installing?
[22:25] <ana_> (please don't answer 'a program')
[22:25] <diddledan> a _specific_ program
[22:26] <diddledan> :-p
[22:26] <ana_> :)
[22:26] <diddledan> you're installing smartmontools, as I pointed out above
[22:26] <ana_> ~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:26] <ana_> http://termbin.com/5pp6
[22:27] <diddledan> she's dead jim
[22:27] <daftykins> yeah 2,900 bad sectors, DANGER UBUNTU ROBINSON!
[22:28] <ana_> ok. so, basically, do a back up of hard drive, change hard drive
[22:28] <diddledan> yeah, at this point with that disk anything you write to it is suspect
[22:29] <daftykins> yep, do you have an external hard disk to backup to?
[22:29] <ana_> yes i do regular backups
[22:29] <ana_> as in, yearly or so... hehe
[22:29] <daftykins> xD
[22:29] <daftykins> i like the honesty
[22:30] <ana_> i knew i had to change the hard drive, but it does mean to halt all other work for a day or two
[22:30] <ana_> so i was postponing
[22:30] <diddledan> I like that message near the top of the smart output: "Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA."
[22:30] <daftykins> that's a fairly old machine, you might want to consider picking up a solid state drive (SSD) instead of HDD for the replacement, it'll be a huge speed increase
[22:30] <ana_> well all important stuff is sent to other people, so, i was surviving
[22:30] <ana_> most my files ultimately live in several people's servers or computers
[22:30] <daftykins> yeah the longer it's even turned on, the less likely you'll be able to get your data off safely
[22:31] <daftykins> ah that's handy then
[22:31] <ana_> hand on. solid state drive
[22:31] <ana_> instead of hdd? what does it mean?
[22:32] <diddledan> HDD is a spinning lump of metal. SSD is microchips
[22:32] <ana_> wonder if it would fit  on this laptop
[22:32] <daftykins> definitely, already seen the specs
[22:33] <daftykins> though i'd take it to a reliable source for assistance in choosing such an upgrade
[22:33] <ana_> in any case ... i have this internal hard drive to replace in  a draw, waiting for replacent ... but will make a note, for next time
[22:33] <ana_> wow, thanks again
[22:33] <daftykins> ah
[22:33] <diddledan> drawer hard disks are awesome
[22:33] <ana_> this channels helpfulness will never cease to amaze me
[22:33] <ana_> haha :)
[22:33] <ana_> thank you!
[22:34] <diddledan> "I need a new disk".. "oh there's one in that drawer!"
[22:34] <ana_> need to call it a night now
[22:34] <ana_> :D
[22:35] <diddledan> me too
[22:35] <ana_> thank you thank you! good night :)
[22:35] <diddledan> sleep now
[22:35] <daftykins> g'night to you both \o
[22:35] <diddledan> nn