[00:03] <wafflejock> MrVamps, not sure exactly what you're looking to try and do but maybe can just start with the ubuntu server image and add your own set of packages https://askubuntu.com/questions/31081/whats-the-difference-between-the-server-version-and-the-desktop-version  this may be of interest too https://www.linuxvoice.com/build-your-own-linux-distro/  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeDistroHowto
[00:13] <courrier> Jordan_U: sorry for the delay, yeah my AP is pretty old
[00:13] <courrier> only support 2.4
[00:30] <mantissa> Is there a way to remove the mount points left behind by removed snaps?
[00:31] <CuriousErnestBro> where is it sensible to install a zip file?
[00:34] <Squarism> is someone hacking the repos?
[00:34] <Squarism> i get lots of : E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[00:34] <tomreyn> !zesty | Squarism
[00:35] <TJ-> !eol | Squarism
[00:35] <Squarism> ouch, not even supported for a year
[00:35] <Squarism> didnt know it was so short
[00:35] <Squarism> never a non LTS release again then i guess
[00:36] <TJ-> Squarism: if you want to upgrade to 17.10 from 17.04 it's just a case of "do-release-upgrade", then you can upgrade to 18.04 LTS after it is released in April
[00:36] <Squarism> TJ-, what are the odds for do-release-upgrade failing?
[00:37] <CuriousErnestBro> where do I install jdk?
[00:37] <CuriousErnestBro> in /usr/share?
[00:37] <tomreyn> CuriousErnestBro: what are you trying to do?
[00:38] <[FreeBSD]> CuriousErnestBro: you generally use the package manager over manually
[00:38] <CuriousErnestBro> tomreyn, install jdk
[00:38] <CuriousErnestBro> there is no package manager
[00:38] <TJ-> Squarism: it's the standard path; if we had significant failures Ubuntu wouldn't exist :D
[00:38] <[FreeBSD]> i.e using the official one or using some repo
[00:38] <CuriousErnestBro> except for "rpm" and I don't think I have rmp
[00:38] <tomreyn> CuriousErnestBro: sure there's a package manager, it's called apt.
[00:38] <tomreyn> CuriousErnestBro: that's if you run ubuntu
[00:38] <[FreeBSD]> CuriousErnestBro: you generally don't need to manually download and install packages / programs on Linux
[00:39] <CuriousErnestBro> tomreyn, yes, but I can only install openjdk, but i want the real jdk
[00:39] <Squarism> TJ-, just my first time running non LTS and its my work laptop
[00:39] <Squarism> =D
[00:39] <TJ-> !info openjdk-9-jdk | CuriousErnestBro
[00:39] <CuriousErnestBro> oracle's
[00:39] <tomreyn> CuriousErnestBro: openjdk is "the real jdk"
[00:39] <CuriousErnestBro> I also need to install another zip file: Xmind
[00:39] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: there's very little difference between them now, aside from some proprietary sun.* bits
[00:39] <Squarism> hmmm... it says upgrade can take "Several hours"
[00:39] <Squarism> is that the normal case?
[00:39] <CuriousErnestBro> that one isn't in the apt
[00:39] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: I run xmind on openjdk
[00:40] <CuriousErnestBro> TJ-,okay but where do you have xmind saved?
[00:40] <CuriousErnestBro> like where do i extract it to?
[00:41] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: hang on, I'll find it and tell you!
[00:44] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: OK, I did "mkdir -p /opt/xmind/8/; sudo chown -R $USER:adm /opt/xmind; sudo chmod -R g+w /opt/xmind; cd /opt/xmind/8; unzip $HOME/Downloads/xmind-8-update6-linux.zip"
[00:46] <CuriousErnestBro> wow! thank you!
[00:47] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: I think I then created a .desktop file in $HOME/.local/share/applications/
[00:48] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: the .desktop file means the GUI gets an icon and launcher entry... but strangely I can't find my file now, think it's on another PC!
[00:48] <CuriousErnestBro> this is helpful enough, thanks!
[00:48] <CuriousErnestBro> I'll google how to make a desktop file :)
[00:50] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: OH! I used an installer that does it all from https://github.com/dinos80152/XMind-Linux-Installer
[00:50] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: So it seems I've got 2 installs - 1 I did originally and the one this tool did :D
[00:53] <CuriousErnestBro> alright, I'll use that then. it has some issues now, see if this resolves them
[00:55] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: there's also a proper Debian package from http://www.xmind.net/xmind/downloads/xmind-8-beta-linux_amd64.deb
[01:02] <Sean_McG> anyone tried to build linux-image-4.13.0-31 from source? All I really need is kvm-amd.ko with the NPT patch but I don't know how to build it and keep the module version the same
[01:02] <Sean_McG> I didn't have difficulty with 4.13.0-26 so I'm not sure what changed
[01:02] <TJ-> Sean_McG: NPT?
[01:02] <Sean_McG> Nested Page Tables
[01:04] <Sean_McG> TJ-: basically this: https://level1techs.com/article/patch-npt-ryzen-better-performance -- which is more or less backporting a patch from 4.14.x to 4.13.x
[01:05] <CuriousErnestBro> TJ-, you aren't on 17.10 are you?
[01:06] <TJ-> CuriousErnestBro: no
[01:06] <TJ-> Sean_McG: pop into #ubuntu-kernel - I'm thinking that's something we might want to provide via the HWE kernels
[01:07] <Sean_McG> TJ-: good idea, will do
[01:22] <iampete> hey, I'm having an issue with the ubuntu PPAs. for some reason apt is ignoring some of the yakkety PPAs and 404 is returned on others. https://pastebin.com/qUiDDENa
[01:23] <iampete> how do I fix this?
[01:23] <TJ-> !yakkety
[01:23] <TJ-> !eol | iampete
[01:26] <iampete> thanks TJ- , will upgrading have side effects? Is it safer/better to do a fresh install?
[01:28] <iampete> nvm just saw the upgrade link
[01:37] <BillD73> so I have the dafault desktop for Ubuntu 16.04 as well as installed XFCE and XUbunut, I fail to see the difference between XFCE and XUbuntu when I select a different from the menu prior to logging in, they look exactly the same. Also my login always shows a lil mouse even if I choose Unity. Am I missing something?
[01:38] <xangua> Xubuntu uses the Xfce desktop, yes
[01:39] <[FreeBSD]> BillD73: xubuntu is ubuntu base with xfce desktop
[01:39] <[FreeBSD]> if you installed xfce on normal ubuntu, you could switch between the desktops
[01:40] <BillD73> so one or the other would have been fine?
[01:40] <[FreeBSD]> yes
[01:41] <[FreeBSD]> is "xubuntu" an actual package?
[01:41] <BillD73> its not a space issue just was trying to find a smoother desktop for this older ASUS Eee PC laptop
[01:41] <[FreeBSD]> lxde is even lighter
[01:41] <BillD73> yes they were installed separately.
[01:43] <BillD73> ok. all the GUI programs I installed under unity, will they need to be reinstalled for XFCE/XUbuntu? to funtion in the respective GUIs?
[01:43] <[FreeBSD]> BillD73: no
[01:43] <BillD73> excellent.
[01:43] <[FreeBSD]> the only thing that will change is the actual desktop / look of it
[01:43] <Insectorx> #ubuntu
[01:43] <[FreeBSD]> programs are seperate
[01:44] <[FreeBSD]> regardless of the desktop they will always be there
[01:44] <BillD73> ok, I mean I like this UNtiy setup and Im used to it but it just has issues with this lowend laptop lol
[01:45] <TJ-> there's not a lot of difference between xubuntu and lubuntu desktop either in terms of packages or space used
[01:45] <Insectorx> I just installed ubuntu mate 17.10 on my 1.5ghz core solo and its running slow.  Much slower than windows 7.   Is this normal.  I though linux was supposed to be faster.
[01:45] <krytarik> BillD73: As to the difference between the Xubuntu and Xfce sessions: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2188950&p=12852772#post12852772
[01:46] <[FreeBSD]> BillD73: in xfce settings, disable compositing
[01:46] <[FreeBSD]> it will be snappier
[01:46] <Sean_McG> especially since an Eee doesn't have a GPU
[01:47] <[FreeBSD]> of if you want to get max speed go for i3, openbox, lxde or something really light
[01:47] <TJ-> BillD73: the issue with slowness may be the GPU rendering, because Unity/Gnome require hardware accelerated compositor to be usuable generally
[01:47] <[FreeBSD]> they use next to no ram / no gpu
[01:47] <Insectorx> Im new to ubuntu and my research pointed me to try mate but its running much slower than windows 7.   Should i try an older system version or what?
[01:47] <TJ-> They've all got a GPU else there'd be no video :)
[01:48] <Sean_McG> I meant it's probably not a 3D accelerator
[01:48] <TJ-> it might even have an Intel GMA450/500
[01:48] <Insectorx> ?
[01:48] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: slower in what way? boot / general use?
[01:49] <Insectorx> Well the boot is a little slower, but thats ok.   The general use is like slug snot
[01:49] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: it's a bit vague tbh, like depends what you're running etc
[01:49] <V7> Hey all
[01:49] <V7> Do spf needs dkim ?
[01:50] <Sean_McG> according to Wikipedia, many of the Eee devices were Intel Atom N270
[01:50] <[FreeBSD]> there's no way it should be slower than win7
[01:50] <Insectorx> Its a fresh install of ubuntu mate 17.10.  Ive only installed gimp chrome and spotify
[01:50] <Sean_McG> and yes, GMA900 or similar
[01:50] <Sean_McG> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC
[01:51] <Sean_McG> so I guess I'm wrong
[01:51] <Insectorx> Should i try xfce maybe?
[01:51] <BillD73> TJ-: yeah  this dont have a "GPU" to really enjoy Unity lol
[01:51] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: if it's a clean install you might as well try all the main ones
[01:51] <rangergord> Hi. Does anyone here run Ubuntu GUI apps on Windows 10's WSL? I got X apps to work, but they look very blurry on my hi-DPI screen. I can't find a way to make them look nice. I tried playing with the DPI options of the X server (tried both vcxsrv and MobaXterm), to no avail.
[01:52] <[FreeBSD]> ive never used mate but afaik it was designed to be gnome2, which wasn't exactly "slow"
[01:52] <Sean_McG> rangergord: HiDPI is a big issue for some X apps, especially if they use older libraries like Qt4
[01:52] <Insectorx> Is there any reason why this would happen?   Is it worth me trying the other types of linux?  Or it it still going to cause problems?  Because this is my work computer and its important that it actually works
[01:53] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: it won't be ubuntu, the only thing i can think of is maybe the gpu, is it nvidia?
[01:53] <Insectorx> Its a laptop, i dont know
[01:53] <Bashing-om> !ubuwin | rangergord Better support :
[01:53] <rangergord> Sean_McG: even Sublime Text looks blurry. It doesn't seem to be ap-specific
[01:54] <Insectorx> So ubuntu doesnt work with nvidia?
[01:54] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: try lubuntu, or lxde as it's a desktop out the box and is fast
[01:54] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: it does
[01:54] <Sean_McG> rangergord: I dunno... font smoothing settings in the X server?
[01:54] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: but uses a slower driver by default (nouveau)
[01:55] <Insectorx> Good to know.   I typically use nvidia gpus exclusively if i have the choice.   Is there an nvidia friendly distro?  Because ubuntu sounds like it cant handle it very well.
[01:56] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: no, the nvidia driver is the same on any distro
[01:56] <TJ-> Insectorx: Ubuntu bends over backwards to make it easy to install and use nvidia drivers
[01:56] <rangergord> Sean_McG: no such option unfortunately. I guess I should ask on askubuntu, more likely to have people in this scenario, eh?
[01:56] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: linux is linux at the end of the day
[01:57] <TJ-> Insectorx: try "ubuntu-drivers list"
[01:57] <Sean_McG> I'm using an nVidia GTX 550Ti on this machine with the graphics-drivers PPA
[01:57] <Insectorx> I assume the reason that one distro will work better than another is because of the hardware being used.   So, is there a list of FULLY compatible hardware for each distro?   ie-ubuntu
[01:57] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: the hardware will be the same
[01:58] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: it's built into the kernel. Distros differ mainly on their package manager, default desktop and support
[01:59] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: and other stuff but not major, like default settings / configs and installed packages. You will find you just like the style / way of maintaining one over the other
[02:00] <Insectorx> You say "linux is linux", but im new to it, so i dont know what that means tbh.  Im trying to learn, but it seems unnecessarily difficult.   Is it worth the learning curve?  I feel like i practially have to go to college to use it
[02:01] <Insectorx> Im not talking smack, i just really want to know
[02:01] <Sean_McG> it doesn't coddle you like Windows does.
[02:01] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: stick with ubuntu as you're already on it. it's not hard, just might seem odd coming from windows. you will learn as you go. don't get headfucked by 1000 distros
[02:01] <rangergord> Insectorx: sorry, I'm new to the convo. If you're a beginner, I recommend using Ubuntu. Generally best driver support and ease of life. Also the most popular.
[02:01] <Insectorx> Ok.
[02:02] <rangergord> Insectorx: as for "learning Linux": only learn what you actually need. It's an OS like any other, though for technical people it gives a huge advantage since you have more control, and it's perpetually free so you can install it wherever without violating the law (super important for working people)
[02:02] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: when i say linux is linux, i mean the base stuff going on is the same across, just different ways of doing stuff, like different commands for installing packages.
[02:02] <davi_> oie :3
[02:02] <rangergord> I've been using Linux for years and I haven't bothered learning bash scripting. Or 95% of commands really.
[02:02] <Insectorx> Thanks for the info
[02:02] <mbrigdan> Hey guys, getting a weird issue with search-as-you-type in the save/open file dialog (I believe its the GTKFileChooser?) When I first type a letter to search for a file, the letter gets "repeated". Anybody seen something like this before?
[02:03] <[FreeBSD]> rangergord: oh the fun you're missing out on
[02:03] <rangergord> [FreeBSD]: how so? I just write stuff in python cause it's way easier
[02:03] <[FreeBSD]> ah right, smart answer lol
[02:03] <rangergord> I don't need "clever one-liners" that are indecipherable, I don't mind writing 5 simpler lines if it does the job :)
[02:04] <[FreeBSD]> bash scripts just make life easy
[02:05] <Sean_McG> +1
[02:06] <rangergord> Insectorx: what's your planned usage for Linux? Casual desktop use? Work? (if so, doing what)
[02:07] <Sean_McG> OK, back later. have to reboot to test something and then going to go watch some TV
[02:07] <Sean_McG> take care folks
[02:08] <rangergord> adios
[02:08] <Insectorx> Im a tattoo artist and i want to be able to use gimp chrome and spotify. Thats it
[02:09] <rangergord> Are you running Ubuntu yet? Or still in the trial phase?
[02:09] <rangergord> or rather, research
[02:09] <west_harding> part
[02:10] <Insectorx> Also i sure hope it can work with my hp printer
[02:10] <rangergord> I've never used a printer, but the other 3 will run without issues
[02:11] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: you just have to be willing to learn and be patient.
[02:12] <rangergord> Insectorx: are you on Windows right now?
[02:12] <Insectorx> Theres a 7.5 hour course on linux on youtube.  I guess thats what ill have to do.
[02:12] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: you won't need to honestly
[02:12] <Insectorx> Well ive been using windows 7 for this machine.  So now i have it set up as a dual boot
[02:13] <rangergord> Insectorx: you should TRY before you install it. IIRC Ubuntu lets you run it in-memory without installing anything.  Hang on I'll look it up
[02:13] <kk4ewt> after you use linux for a little while you will give up on windows
[02:13] <kk4ewt> rangergord,  its called a live image
[02:13] <[FreeBSD]> kk4ewt: unless you play games or need stuff like photoshop
[02:14] <BillD73> in XFCE the little panel at the bootom what that called and can you "hide" it?
[02:14] <[FreeBSD]> BillD73: right click on it
[02:14] <[FreeBSD]> i think it's under properties
[02:14] <rangergord> Insectorx: use this guide to create a Ubuntu image on a USB key: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0   . Once you do this and boot from USB, select "Try Ubuntu without installing" or whatever the option is called. Install Chrome, install GIMP, ensure things work pleasantly.
[02:14] <Insectorx> I did run it off a live usb first, but i assumed it was running slow because it was running off usb 2.0
[02:15] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: yes live is slower
[02:15] <rangergord> naturally. USB 2 is limited to 30MB/s.
[02:15] <[FreeBSD]> a lot slower
[02:15] <rangergord> and yeah, the live version will constantly be decompressing
[02:15] <Insectorx> Thats the only problem tho.  Is that its running slow.   So i guess live wont work to see about that, huh?
[02:16] <BillD73> got it, tis panel 2 lol  duh
[02:16] <rangergord> Insectorx: I use both Linux and Windows and speed is not specific to the OS, but the hardware it's running on. You will definitely see a huge speed increase off a real drive, and even moreso on an SSD.
[02:17] <Insectorx> Ok so i installed ubuntu mate on the hard drive and its running slow.   I installed it "next "to windows 7.  Is there an easy way to reinstall another distro without affecting windows?
[02:18] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: so ubuntu and win 7 are on same hdd?
[02:18] <rangergord> [FreeBSD]: maybe you can advise him on something. I personally never update the kernel once Ubuntu is installed, since I'm from the "if it ain't broke, don't touch it" school of life. But I also run Ubuntu inside VMs with all important files backed up. Is disabling kernel updates something a desktop user should do?
[02:18] <Insectorx> Yes
[02:19] <[FreeBSD]> rangergord: i would always keep the kernel up to date if you care about security or new features
[02:19] <rangergord> do you actually get new features on the same Ubuntu release? I thought it was just security updates?
[02:19] <[FreeBSD]> rangergord: no idea probably not, but there's no harm keeping it up to date
[02:19] <[FreeBSD]> takes 2 seconds
[02:20] <Insectorx> Freebsd: yes
[02:21] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: if they're on the same HDD, if you reinstall Ubuntu, it will overwrite the bootloader. It just means you might have to mess about putting windows on if it's not autodetected
[02:21] <segersjerry> Insectorx, I would suggest trying krita as well as gimp.
[02:22] <rangergord> [FreeBSD]: should probably link him a foolproof guide if he's a newbie
[02:23] <rangergord> Insectorx: back up all your important Windows files to an external drive just in case
[02:23] <[FreeBSD]> rangergord: yeah just warning him it might take a slight bit of messing around if you're new
[02:25] <Insectorx> Hmm.   Honestly it sounds to me like im not qualified to do uninstall ubuntu if it might delete windows (not an option).   So i guess my ubuntu days are numbered
[02:25] <Insectorx> That didnt last long lol
[02:26] <rangergord> Insectorx: it won't delete Windows unless you specifically tell it to erase an existing partition. I said this in case you mess up and do that.
[02:26] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: no, you won't remove windows, i meant remove windows entry from the bootloader screen
[02:26] <Insectorx> I have some software installed on windows that i dont want to have to reinstall (i dont have the serial number anymore)
[02:26] <[FreeBSD]> Insectorx: but surely you installed ubuntu after windows anyway?
[02:27] <Insectorx> Yeah i installed ubuntu today.  Windows 7 has been on there for 3+years
[02:27] <[FreeBSD]> so if it's on the same hard drive, you're already using grub (which is linux
[02:27] <[FreeBSD]> s bootloader)
[02:27] <rangergord> Insectorx: regarding your license, see if one of these tools lets you view it: https://www.lifewire.com/free-product-key-finder-programs-2625119
[02:28] <rangergord> I've only used Jelly Bean Keyfinder
[02:30] <Insectorx_>  (I got disconnected for a second from irc)
[02:34] <Insectorx_> Is there a way to just uninstall ubuntu completely?
[02:37] <Insectorx_> Ok nevermind.   Ill return if i need more help when im trying to uninstall this software
[02:58] <Insectorx_> In ubuntu, Can i rename folders to names that make sense?  Ie- all these bin and lib folders are a mess, can i rwname them things like "applications"  and "documents"  ?
[02:59] <Insectorx_> Bin/lib/usr/lib/root/wtf
[03:02] <Insectorx_> Anyway i think that would make things make more sense.
[03:03] <Insectorx_> I dont want to have to remember folder 00101110
[03:04] <Insectorx_> No dice?
[03:06] <TJ-> Insectorx_: Those directories are for the system, not the user. You can rename directories inside your user $HOME directory to whatever you want (e.g. my $HOME is /home/tj/)
[03:06] <capella> Ah, magical folder $2E ... heh, I still use a "src" folder, after learning Unix @ RIT waaaaay back
[03:06] <capella> https://www.tecmint.com/linux-directory-structure-and-important-files-paths-explained/
[03:06] <capella> (even when I dev under Win!)
[03:08] <Insectorx_> Ok perfect.  Im glad i asked.  Because now i can rem
[03:09] <Insectorx_> ...rename /usr/bin to /usr/applications.    Thanks!!
[03:10] <capella>  /usr is not $HOME
[03:10] <Insectorx_> ??
[03:10] <Insectorx_> I stufi
[03:11] <Insectorx_> I studied this file structure stiff for over an hour last night.   And youre telling me i still dont get it?
[03:11] <Insectorx_> Yeah linux is super "easy"
[03:11] <Insectorx_> So what can i change???
[03:13] <Insectorx_> I thought linux was customizable
[03:14] <Insectorx_> I couldnt even install spotify today without asking for help here on irc chat
[03:14] <Insectorx_> Thats not ok
[03:15] <Insectorx_> Linux being harder would be fine if the people here to "help" didnt try to pretend that its super easy and works perfectly.  Its just different right?   No!   Its insanely difficult and the knowledable people will just talk down to you if it doesnt click immediately.
[03:17] <Bashing-om> Insectorx_: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm <- (Linux is Not Windows) ; https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2380629 .
[03:17] <Insectorx_> I use both windows and mac.  And i know dos and cpm.  I use mac os 9 regularly, and i have a windows 98 machine for gaming.    So dont tell me that im just stick on windows like every other linux user tries to do to defend ubuntu.  Because its mot true.   I want to learn!!!   But good info that actually HELPS a new user is scarce
[03:18] <Insectorx_> I know linux is not windows.  Once again i ise many many os's and thwy ALL make sense with mi imal research.   The " youre just used to windows or mac"  analogy doesnt work with me
[03:19] <Bashing-om> Insectorx_: Consider how many Milions of linux users exist .. none were born knowing linux .
[03:19] <p1l0t> So riddle me this. If I login remotely via ssh to a server back in my home country, and then from there login into another server in my same office... but loose my connection becausse the hotel wifi sucks. Are the two office computers still talking to each other or does it close automatically?
[03:19] <Insectorx_> The wiki's on the official ubuntu site suck, becaise they assume youllhave no errors or problems.   Which are numerous and constand with every move?
[03:20] <Insectorx_> Honestly please tell me how you guys learned this at all??   Did you start in the 90's and grow with it?   Or what
[03:20] <cfhowlett> Insectorx_, same way you learned windows.  a little here, a little there.  wash, rinse and repeat
[03:20] <Bashing-om> Insectorx_: This is no longer ubuntu support ; to contine please join #ubuntu-discuss .
[03:21] <fawaz> helep
[03:21] <cfhowlett> fawaz, state the issue
[03:21] <eaglgenes101> Read a lot, keep regular backups, experiment if you want to iterate faster
[03:21] <Insectorx_> If yall ignore me on these questions it just proves that the "community" doesnt actually want new users.  They just want the people who have a good experoence
[03:21] <fawaz> i join
[03:22] <cfhowlett> Insectorx_, please continue this in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:22] <Insectorx_> Thanks for nothing
[03:23] <eaglgenes101> ...what did you ask for in the first place?
[03:23] <eaglgenes101> I wasn't here when you started ranting
[03:23] <cfhowlett> fawaz, what exactly is the problem?
[03:25] <TJ-> p1l0t: if you're not using a terminal multiplexer like 'screen' or 'tmux' then yes, when the 1st ssh login session drops it'll kill any processes started from that login
[03:28] <fawaz> hello i'am new member how to join for you?
[03:29] <cfhowlett> fawaz, you already joined.
[03:29] <cfhowlett> you're here.  ask your support question
[03:29] <eaglgenes101> If you're asking about how to be a productive member in general, I have a handful of reasonable principles, but that's probably not what you're asking for
[03:30] <eaglgenes101> We don't have telepathy over IP yet, so please, type it out
[03:34] <TJ-> lol @ eaglgenes101 ... but we do! https://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[03:36] <kandinski> I'm using the au.archive.ubuntu.com archive with zesty, and a lot of packages are 404 not found.
[03:36] <cfhowlett> kandinski, try a different mirror
[03:36] <kandinski> I don't have the time to upgrade zesty just now. Which other archive works?
[03:37] <eaglgenes101> If all else fails, just use the main repo
[03:37] <krytarik> !zesty
[03:37] <Bashing-om> !zesty | kandinski
[03:37] <cfhowlett> !msg ubottu zesty
[03:37] <cfhowlett> !msg ubottu | zesty
[03:38] <kandinski> ta
[03:46] <Guest47> Hello
[03:47] <Guest47> I had a silly question and thought this channel could help
[03:47] <cfhowlett> topic is ubuntu support, Guest47.
[03:47] <Guest47> Where do you find the network installers for ubuntu?
[03:47] <Guest47> ie you boot from disk and download the files from the internet
[03:48] <TJ-> !netinst
[03:48] <TJ-> hmmph!
[03:48] <cfhowlett> !minimal
[03:48] <Guest47> Is that just for the Desktop or Server ubuntu? I couldn't see the options
[03:49] <cfhowlett> Guest47, either.  don't want gui?  don't download gui = server
[03:49] <Guest47> Thanks
[03:49] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[03:50] <Guest47> I am trying to install it on a really old computer with a serial port for context
[03:50] <Guest47> And it looks to only have a cd drive so I cannot fit the normal installers
[03:50] <cfhowlett> so long as it boots, you should be gold
[03:54] <TJ-> Guest47: is the CPU on that PC 32-bit, and if so, does it support PAE? if it doesn't you'll likely need to use a Lubuntu x86 32-bit non-PAE kernel for it to boot
[03:54] <Guest47> I think it is 32-bit
[03:54] <Guest47> Not sure about PAE
[03:55] <TJ-> Guest47: be aware then; it kernel panics almost immediately it'll likely be the reason.
[03:55] <TJ-> !pae | Guest47
[03:55] <Guest47> Intel Pentium 4 m?
[03:55] <Guest47> Thanks
[03:58] <fawaz> hello
[04:00] <Guest47> Any recommendations on making a bootable CD-RW? I have used rufus for USB drives but doesn't appear to work for CDs
[04:00] <Bashing-om> fawaz: Ubuntu support here , as your support question .
[04:00] <cfhowlett> Guest47, startup-disk-creator or you can do it via command line
[04:00] <eaglgenes101> I imagine it's just burning your iso onto the disk
[04:00] <eaglgenes101> er
[04:01] <eaglgenes101> I might be wrong
[04:07] <Drammer> hi
[04:09] <cfhowlett> Drammer, greetings.  ask your support question
[04:28] <Zensei> my god
[04:28] <Zensei> finally updated
[04:28] <Zensei> jesus christ this is fast
[04:34] <`danny_> Copy file to your xchat config directory ?? where do I find this directory?
[04:36] <cfhowlett> `danny_, xchat?  WAY old, out of date, unsupported ... you get the idea.  https://hexchat.github.io/news/announcement.html
[04:36] <cfhowlett> really should not still be in the repos but ...
[04:38] <cfhowlett> if you just insist on using a piece of zombie software, /home/danny/.config/xchat       should be your directory
[04:40] <carl_> anyone on ?
[04:40] <Zensei> ouias
[04:41] <cfhowlett> carl_, of course and always.  skip that and ask your support question???
[04:55] <JPSman> Hi there.
[04:56] <JPSman> So, when I log in through the CTRL-ALT-1 screen, it says I have 24 updates, 10 are security updates.  But when I do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; it says zero upgrades needed.
[04:56] <JPSman> What gives?
[04:56] <cfhowlett> JPSman, sudo apt dist-upgrade      will get them
[04:56] <JPSman> cfhowlett, will that update my ubuntu to the next rev?  I really don't want to do that
[04:57] <cfhowlett> of course not
[04:57] <Guest47> Hi,
[04:57] <cfhowlett> sudo do-release-upgrade   though ...
[04:57] <Guest47> I have just installed Ubuntu but when I boot it just shows 1 line
[04:57] <michael2> hi, if I want to replace a file which is installed via apt-get/dpkg - whats the best way to do this? specifically without it getting overwritten on updates?
[04:57] <JPSman> cfhowlett, THANK YOU for your quick answer :)  What is dist-upgrade?
[04:58] <Guest47> I can shutdown by pressing the power button but I don't appear to get any other response
[04:58] <cfhowlett> JPSman, as I recall, upgrade gets the current security updates and currently installed apps to upgrade.  dist-upgrade will upgrade to the highest number available in the repos
[05:00] <cfhowlett> JPSman, for future use          apt dist-upgrade -s         will simulate operation without executing.  notice: no sudo
[05:00] <Guest47> it shows "/dev/sda1: clean, num/num files, num/num blocks" where num are large numbers
[05:00] <Guest47> and then a cursor
[05:00] <JPSman> No SUDO?!! Why thats proposterous!  Anyone can just come along and upgrade my system :P
[05:01] <cfhowlett> you didn't read
[05:01] <cfhowlett> enter the command exactly as I wrote         apt dist-upgrade -s
[05:02] <cfhowlett> you'll get something similar    http://termbin.com/lj1a
[05:02] <JPSman> O I C, its simulated...
[05:04] <JPSman> cfhowlett, again, thank you very much :D
[05:04] <cfhowlett> happy2help JPSman
[05:33] <Epru> So, I do a string to update/upgrade my system in terminal ... With "-y" to all. Which brings me to security concerns, If any?
[05:33] <cfhowlett> unlikely but possible
[05:33] <Epru> Such as, Is there a malware scanner or something I could install? In case I do install something that got slipped into the updates?
[05:34] <cfhowlett> Epru, the main repos are pretty safe in that regard. 3rd party and partner repos not quite so much
[05:35] <Epru> I only use the uh repos from the default, but also both the basic cano ones and tbh the real reason being my trying to get my graphics to work... and this unknown,unknown intel micro code thingy in propreitary drivers being...unknown
[05:36] <Epru> So I have it on, thinking it may be from this...weird nvidia intel machine...
[05:36] <Epru> 's processor.
[05:36] <Epru> For its RAM cards are green nvidia made, the proc, the graphics card it has. And I can't get my optimal resoluton for my screen...
[05:37] <Epru> On either drivers. Properitary or open source to the nvidia(graphics in general?)
[05:37] <Epru> Oh, Unknown Display also
[05:37] <Epru> But it has this adpater on its plug... Think thats why
[05:39] <Guest47> Hello, I am trying to connect to a switch via a serial port. I am using mincom but cannot seem to pickup the serial port
[05:40] <Epru> I tried the extended resolution resources package from the basic... um, run into by trying to update enough times on propriatary but doesn't give me high enough res for optimal, and the prahics are jacked up.. Ugh. I tried.
[05:40] <V7> Oh dear
[05:40] <V7> This roundcube
[05:40] <V7> telnet localhost 993 connects, but when trying to communicate through roundcube it says: ssl://localhost:993:Connection timed out
[05:40] <Epru> Who?
[05:41] <Epru> ...How you do you all learn linux so well... or so much of it and remember what you read of it?...
[05:42] <Guest47> I have used "dmesg | grep tty" but do not see any results
[05:42] <Epru> I think i'm over-thinking it, and missing something. ...
[05:42] <Epru> Like tried reading --help files but, It doesn't seem like the start at all but rather the end of the help book...
[05:43] <pil_> hello, where can i find ubuntu 16.04 for 32 bit?
[05:43] <pil_> i386
[05:43] <V7> pil_, on officials
[05:44] <Epru> There's no, bot ! command for download latest page link?
[05:44] <Epru> I'm lazy... So I'd have one...
[05:44] <Epru> Sorry. Nervous humor.
[05:45] <Epru> I usually lose a computer coming here for help. Doubt its anything to do with the server itself, really. Just saying...
[05:46] <Epru> xrandr says can't open display :0
[05:46] <Epru> Nvm, now is...
[05:48] <Epru> Okay so please. Can someone give me the line for setting my think its called DVI-I-1 output resolution to 1680x1050?...
[05:49] <Epru> Or can I not just manually enter the numbers without it having a 'profile' for what they mean yet....
[05:50] <Epru> I just want my 1080p HD no frame skip, graphics on youtube back. Lol Like on 16.04... But I uh, deleted something I thought was spyware... it destroyed the os faster than anything I've ever seen...
[05:52] <Epru> So I made a note to self: Do Not Remove iproute2
[05:52] <Epru> Still sounds fishy though
[05:54] <Epru> OH I'm on 17.10 ... Trying to get nvidia graphics force 3700(?) card to work and the os to recognize the monitor as more than unknown, and change resolution to 1680x1050 as optimal for my monitor.
[05:55] <Epru> Or is it impossible while its using this VGA chord that has an Adapter to DVI on the end of it to the computer?...
[05:56] <Epru> Do I simply need a DVI chord for the monitor? The computer has the slot... Obviously. I'm unsure why it has the adapter...
[05:58] <Epru> xrandr is working and picking it up, so cant I download a 1680x1050 resolution package for ubuntu 17.10 or something and use it to set it to it? :/
[05:58]  * Epru waits for answers, a.k.a shuts up
[05:59] <Insectorx> Let me preface by saying that i actually want answers about linux
[06:00] <Epru> Nice one... Like mine isn't~ My graphics worked fine on last version~
[06:00] <Insectorx> Why is it that linux gives me numerous problems, but wi diws
[06:00] <Insectorx> B
[06:00] <Epru> Oh you meant literally, sorry... -_-'
[06:01] <Insectorx_> I want to like linux but why is it so weird and diffivult to use
[06:01] <Zensei> because it's always a beta
[06:02] <Zensei> its not a set it and forget it
[06:02] <Epru> Because it's more machine than window glass stains...?
[06:02] <Zensei> it is the equivalents of a "mechanics" car
[06:02] <Insectorx_> People say that its easy.  But i bet that spanish is easy to someone who has been speaking it their whole lives
[06:02] <Epru> Oh boy
[06:02]  * Epru leaves this one...
[06:02] <Insectorx_> Because linux so far is a mind F
[06:02] <Zensei> Do you want to learn?
[06:03] <Insectorx_> Iyes i do want to learn
[06:03] <Epru> I do.
[06:03] <cfhowlett> Insectorx_, you were here ranting earlier.  want to learn?  read.  try things. break things.  fix them.
[06:03] <Epru> Teach me. Please. Haha...
[06:03] <Insectorx_> I vollect older computwr systems, and i have no problem learning dos or cpm.  But linux has been
[06:03] <Epru> I did all that^ and more, still only halfway done
[06:04] <Insectorx_>  ...has been bery difficult to say the least
[06:04] <Insectorx_> *very
[06:04] <Epru> Oh btw, xrandr says screen 0 is uh, a xwayland0 thingy.. last guy that tried helping said he was afraid that was what my problem was, guess it is? But he said no need telling me what a wayland session is...At the time. Anyone, please?
[06:05] <Insectorx_> I feel like ive been ignored by experienced linux users because my questions are maybe too rudimentary
[06:05] <Epru> Hmm
[06:05] <Insectorx_> But tbh i dont get how this os works
[06:05] <Insectorx_> I want to learn.   Gi
[06:05] <Insectorx_> please give me a learning resource
[06:06] <cfhowlett> http://www.cheat-sheets.org/saved-copy/ubunturef.pdf
[06:06] <Insectorx_> Official ubuntu tutorials suck.  Because theres always some error that it doesnt cover
[06:06] <Epru> I see their point...
[06:06] <cfhowlett> also: likely your local library has a copy of ubuntu for dummies.
[06:06] <Epru> Seriously?
[06:06] <moussa> how-to <-- is a good start
[06:06] <HateNetPlan> Can I get some help configuring netplan? I can't seem to get the routes to work the same way they did when just using /etc/network/interfaces.
[06:06] <Epru> For real? how-to is a command?
[06:07] <moussa> no is a *nix help resources
[06:07] <Insectorx> Im bacm
[06:07] <Epru> so do I need to download something or what do I open to read?...
[06:07] <Insectorx> * back
[06:08] <nacc> Insectorx: you are not in a Linux general channel, if you want to ask questions generally about Linux, you may want #linux
[06:08] <nacc> Insectorx: this channel is for Ubuntu support
[06:09] <nacc> !manual | Insectorx: for ubuntu, this might be a good start
[06:09] <nacc> Insectorx: if you would like to ask specific questions, maybe we can helpl
[06:10] <Insectorx> I want to ask specific questions.  But what do you do if the whole installation is messed up and running slow and giving errors
[06:10] <Epru> moussa ?
[06:10] <nacc> Insectorx: what version of ubuntu?
[06:10] <nacc> Insectorx: 'messed up?'
[06:10] <Insectorx> Windows 7 was running way way smoother
[06:10] <nacc> Insectorx: how are you determining 'slow'?
[06:10] <nacc> Insectorx: pastebin the errors.
[06:10] <moussa> epru ??
[06:10] <Epru> LOL
[06:10] <nacc> Insectorx: it is an older computer?
[06:10] <Insectorx> I tried ubuntu based off of experiences that seemed like it was better and faster
[06:11] <Insectorx> But so far its running way way slower than windows 7
[06:11] <Epru> Oh um, I asked how do I open the how-to stuff to read or if I need to download *nix or somethin?
[06:11] <Insectorx> This is my 3rd time on This irc chat.
[06:11] <cfhowlett> almost word for word as your last conversation here.  I suspect bot or troll.  Insectorx please comment
[06:11] <moussa> just use google to search for a how-to
[06:11] <moussa> try how-to unix for dummies
[06:11] <HateNetPlan> If someone can help me with Ubuntu 17.10 network config with netplan, I have my old config that I don't know how to convert to the new system, and I can't access the internet with it. Here is the picture of the interface config before: https://puu.sh/z9RAL.png
[06:12] <HateNetPlan> With a typo
[06:12] <HateNetPlan> woops
[06:12] <Epru> Sigh... Thanks for your initial help moussa...
[06:12] <Insectorx> Honestly if i cant figure out how to use this as a BASIC system then im just going to boot back into windows 7 regularly
[06:12] <nacc> Insectorx: you hven't provided any details yet
[06:12] <nacc> Insectorx: so it's very difficult to provide any assistance
[06:12] <moussa> epru good luck
[06:12] <Insectorx> What are the details you need
[06:13] <Insectorx> ?
[06:13] <nacc> Insectorx: I just asked you several questions and requested a pastebin
[06:13] <Insectorx> Im sorry im new to irc and dont know anything about it
[06:13] <Epru> moussa Meh, I end up losing every comp to a hacker anyway so luck isn't going to help much. I've a graveyard... Sad par tis, Don't even go any where to warrant it and haven't in almost a decade~
[06:13] <nacc> Insectorx: it's just a chat medium; do you need me to ask the questions again?
[06:14] <Insectorx> Im not a bot or troll
[06:14] <Insectorx> I just dont feel like anyone take me seriously
[06:14] <Epru> You just said you'd been to other places though
[06:14] <Epru> Not recently.
[06:14] <HateNetPlan> lol
[06:14] <Insectorx> I feel like when i have a problemit just gets written off as a troll
[06:15] <Epru> Cause it seems it
[06:15] <Insectorx> Is it so hard to believe that im having trouble???
[06:15] <Epru> And lacks foundation or any bricks to toss at us when we ask for details...?
[06:15] <HateNetPlan> He is trying to ask you questions and you aren't answering them
[06:15] <Insectorx> I dont mean to be a pain.   Im not used to irc
[06:15] <Epru> o_o
[06:16] <HateNetPlan> It's just text chat dude
[06:16] <Epru> Am I the only one noticing the patterns?
[06:16] <Insectorx> Which if ubuntu waned to actually help people they wouldnt use irc
[06:16] <Epru> ^
[06:16] <nacc> Insectorx: there are forums
[06:16] <nacc> Insectorx: if you would rather do that
[06:16] <nacc> Insectorx: but honestly, you've not told us anything; this isn't about being new or not
[06:16] <nacc> Insectorx: in general, you have to provide details for anyone to be able to help you
[06:16] <Epru> He's said it has three times though, I should take his word~
[06:16] <nacc> Insectorx: let's start with the errors, what errors are you getting?
[06:17] <nacc> HateNetPlan: you might ask in #ubuntu-server, but the folks i know who could help are offline right now
[06:17] <Insectorx> Foruns assume that you'll have zero problems.  Which with linix has never been true, from my experience.   The only answer is chat
[06:17] <Epru> Tabs~
[06:17] <Insectorx> I tried to install spotify and it failed
[06:17] <nacc> Insectorx: the forums take patience
[06:18] <HateNetPlan> nacc: Thanks. I'll hop over and ask. Spent way more time then I care to admit trying to get it to work
[06:18] <nacc> Insectorx: how did you try to install spotify?
[06:18] <HateNetPlan> ^
[06:18] <Insectorx> I tried to install ubuntu mate 17.10 thru unetbootin and it failed
[06:18] <Insectorx> Pr
[06:18] <Epru> HateNetPlan ?
[06:18] <nacc> Insectorx: one thing at a time.
[06:18] <Insectorx> Pive tried using linux before and MOST things fail
[06:18] <nacc> Insectorx: you are on ubuntu now?
[06:18] <causative> what is the bar at the top of the screen in 17.10 called, and how do I configure what items appear on it?
[06:18] <Epru> Got a moment if you know how to change resolutions or find packages for higher ones, specifically 1680x1050 ?...
[06:18] <Insectorx> Ubuntu mate 17.10
[06:18] <nacc> Epru: xrandr?
[06:19] <nacc> Insectorx: so are you on mate 17.10 now or not?
[06:19] <Epru> it's like um, xrandr --mode <OUTPUT> um
[06:19] <Epru> I forgot the rest...
[06:19] <Insectorx> I want simple things from my computer.  Like gimp and chrome etc
[06:19] <Epru> And unsure which output it really wants, as it seems to be a 'wayland' session?
[06:20] <Insectorx> Well my computer at work has the os installed.  Im talking thru the web on android atm
[06:20] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello. Need suggestions on a motion sensor based audio/video surveillance software for Ubuntu, I want to use my USB webcams for this, thank you
[06:20] <nacc> Epru: ah if you're on wayland ... it might be different
[06:20] <Mr_Cyclops> motion does video, but no audio option I guess
[06:20] <nacc> Epru: the output should be named in the xrandr output
[06:20] <nacc> Epru: sorry, that was a bit ciruclar
[06:20] <Epru> nacc it says on xrandr ... *Looks*...
[06:21] <nacc> Insectorx: ... gimp is not simple, but easy to install
[06:21] <Mr_Cyclops> and zoneminder is too complex to configure and maintain for me ... hopefully someone can suggest an alternative? thanks in advance ...
[06:21] <nacc> Insectorx: again, you're not stopping and answering my questions.
[06:21] <nacc> Insectorx: if you want help, I need more info
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> !info zoneminder | Mr_Cyclops
[06:21] <Insectorx> I apologize
[06:21] <Epru> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192 | XWAYLAND0 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
[06:21] <Insectorx> What is the question exactly
[06:21] <nacc> Insectorx: so you have mate 17.10 on your work machine, and you tried to install spotify. how?
[06:22] <Insectorx> Well it failed thrpugh the main application installer of mate
[06:22] <nacc> Insectorx: i've never used mate, so I'm not sure what that is
[06:22] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje, thanks I did try to configure it once, but that's like too much work ..... unless you've used it and you can tell me I was doing something wrong? :)
[06:22] <nacc> Insectorx: spotify is only availabe as a snap or via a PPA
[06:23] <nacc> Insectorx: i would suggest trying the snap
[06:23] <nacc> Insectorx: from a terminal `sudo snap install spotify`
[06:23] <Epru> To be my optimal and have correct refresh rate of 60hz, It needs to be 1680x1050 on this monitor... But, I can't make anymore sen out of it than I have already~
[06:23] <Mr_Cyclops> !info snap
[06:23] <Insectorx> Then someone told me to try to install it trough the cli an dit then worked.  But am i going to have to ask for help here for everything that i try to install???
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> Mr_Cyclops: there are some good tutorials online for zoneminder, think its your best bet its a professional piece of software
[06:23] <Epru> *sense
[06:24] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje, I see, hmm, looks like I will need to give it another try after all :-) Thanks for your feedback/help
[06:24] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: not a package itself, it's an alternative way to install applications
[06:24] <Insectorx> They say ubuntu is the easiest version.   But then why is it so hard to learn or understand whats goimg on???
[06:24] <nacc> Insectorx: what have you tried to learn so far?
[06:24] <Epru> The chord has an adapter... VGA cable, DVI adapter to cpu...
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> Mr_Cyclops: visit also #zoneminder
[06:24] <Mr_Cyclops> nacc, looks like your message was for someone else?
[06:24] <Mr_Cyclops> sweet! tx again lo
[06:24] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje,
[06:24] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: i meant in references to your ubottu query
[06:24] <nacc> *reference
[06:24] <Insectorx> Ie-  you install a program thru apt-get then it installs to some mystery location and you cant even find it
[06:24] <nacc> Epru: can you pastebin te xrandr output?
[06:25] <nacc> Insectorx: most 'programs' are in /usr/bin
[06:25] <Epru> nacc if you gimme the line to run... Sorry... Noob...
[06:25] <nacc> Epru: i meant the whole output
[06:25] <Epru> I meant how to use pastebin heh
[06:25] <nacc> !paste | Epru
[06:25] <Insectorx> I want to learn linix.  But why does it make zero sense???
[06:26] <nacc> Insectorx: ok, you are spinning a bit, it feels like, and I'm not sure how to help you.
[06:26] <Insectorx> Please give me a link thay explains how to use linux
[06:26] <nacc> Insectorx: have you read the manual?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: if you want ubuntu help, its best you try to listen to volunteers, not trolling around
[06:26] <nacc> Insectorx: which I sent to you as a link earlier
[06:26] <Epru> okay so what do you want me to run in xrandr to pastebin here?
[06:26] <nacc> Epru: just `xrandr`
[06:26] <Epru> I already said all that says
[06:26] <Insectorx> Fyi.   Telling me to use the ubuntu wiki is like telling me to use the mac os 9 help search.   Isels
[06:26] <nacc> Epru: e.g., `xrandr | pastebinit`
[06:26] <Insectorx> Useless
[06:26] <nacc> Insectorx: i did not say the wiki.
[06:27] <nacc> !manual | Insectorx
[06:27] <nacc> Insectorx: if you refuse to read what is written, I'm sorry, I can't help
[06:27] <Insectorx> Im willing to read, but only if its useful
[06:27] <Epru> *Shrugs* Well if its give data not the same text pop up on term I got, I'll do it, but I said the only two things it says lol
[06:27] <nacc> Epru: it only emits one line?
[06:27] <Epru> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192| XWAYLAND0 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
[06:27] <Epru> ^
[06:27] <nacc> Insectorx: so you are preemptively deciding what is useful?
[06:28] <Insectorx> I will check out said manual.   Thank you
[06:28] <nacc> Epru: there should be a line right after that with modelines
[06:28] <Epru> It's also Unknown in the settings > displays ...
[06:28] <nacc> Epru: h
[06:28] <nacc> *ah
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: discussions fit in #ubuntu-discuss, try to focus on your actual issue in #ubuntu
[06:29] <nacc> Epru: i need to step away, i have not had any 'unknown' displays with wayland
[06:29] <Insectorx> Linux so far seems like it takes 20 steps to do something that takes 2 steps in windows.   Am i wrong here?   Id really like to know?
[06:29] <nacc> i'm assuming that is the issue
[06:29] <nacc> Insectorx: you are wrong.
[06:29] <Epru> Wahhh
[06:29] <Epru> Why do I always get the weird ghost issues~
[06:29] <nacc> Epru: is your hardware properly detected?
[06:30] <Epru> I still say its the cable... it can use a real dvi one, idk why its using a vga with adapter... stupid
[06:30] <nacc> Epru: does it work ok under X?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: type /join #ubuntu-discuss
[06:30] <Epru> Hm idk test method?
[06:30] <nacc> Epru: could easily be the cable, if it's not training properly
[06:30] <nacc> Epru: should be able to logout, and change the session to with Xorg
[06:30] <Epru> Oh like puppy?
[06:31] <Epru> OH
[06:31] <Epru> Sorry just understood
[06:31] <Epru> I'll go see
[06:31] <Insectorx> Ok i guess ill go ask someone else.  I was just looking for spmeone to give me at least one reason to continue my linux adventure, but i guess no dice
[06:31] <nacc> Epru: :)
[06:31] <nacc> Insectorx: it's a free choice you can make
[06:31] <nacc> Insectorx: our role is not to convince you to use Linux or not
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: this is not linux help, but ubuntu support
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: its your own choise, to argue instead of trying what volunteers suggested
[06:32] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: What’s up?
[06:33] <Insectorx> Windows and mac suck.  Id love to learn linux as a replacement, bit the community is too hogh and mighty to actually face the fact that their OS is F'd to use
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: ok stop it now
[06:33] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: Agreed.
[06:33] <nacc> Insectorx: ok, you refuse to actually provide any actual issues
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: please dont feed discussions here
[06:33] <ferretsatsuma> lotuspsychje: Fair enough (although he/she is right).
[06:33] <nacc> Insectorx: that has little to do with us, and I was actually interested in trying to help.
[06:36] <Shadow}}> nacc | That's a big no.
[06:36] <Shadow}}> It froze immediately on purple screen before the cursor even changed from typer icon to pointer~
[06:36] <Insectorx> Litterally every linux step i make comes back woth some sort of problem.  How is this superior?  I only get back answers that are pro linux rather than answers that solve anything.    I want linix to work for me, but this supposed "community" seems mostly about satisfying linux users that are already in the know.
[06:36] <nacc> Insectorx: no one said it was superior.
[06:36] <nacc> Insectorx: please stick to support issues and take rants elsewhere.
[06:37] <Insectorx> Is it too late for me??   Have a already alienated myself from the linux community??
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> !ops | Insectorx doesnt understand offtopic
[06:37] <Insectorx> Just by adking questions
[06:37] <Epru> nacc : So what's the deal here? It think it's some sort of remote monitor?
[06:37] <Insectorx> Rational questions
[06:37] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: Take a breath :)
[06:37] <Insectorx> Ok. Sorry
[06:37] <Epru> nacc : but hard-wired in... likely cause the cable?
[06:37] <nacc> Epru: sorry, I do't know
[06:37] <Insectorx> I want to use linux
[06:37] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: Here’s the thing.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: #ubuntu-discuss
[06:38] <Insectorx> But i feel that everu question i have is met with distain
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> not here please
[06:38] <Insectorx> Imsorryfor
[06:38] <Epru> nacc : Kay, I'll replace the cable and find out if that fixes it, Prlly will. Thank you for everything but one last thing?
[06:38] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: We’ve been directed to take this discussion to #ubuntu-discuss
[06:38] <Epru> nacc : whats the difference between using Ubuntu with Xorg and not?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> Epru: if you want your issue solved, try to re-ask with alld etails,ubuntu version, steps tryed so tohers can read
[06:38] <nacc> Epru: two very different graphics servers
[06:39] <Insectorx> Im sorryfor poppin off about whats the real problem.  But i Just want to know what to do
[06:39] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: We’ve been directed to take this discussion to #ubuntu-discuss (not to continue here).
[06:39] <Insectorx> Last time i went to ubuntu-discuss there was noone there
[06:39] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: I’m there.
[06:39] <Insectorx> Plus i feel r
[06:39] <Epru> Naw. Idt they can to be honest. I'ma replace the cable that has the adapter for a real dvi cable and try to fix it myself before coming back over the graphics resolution issue.
[06:39] <nacc> Epru: ok
[06:40] <nacc> Epru: i would try the Xorg session
[06:40] <Epru> graphic servers?...
[06:40] <nacc> Epru: it is the easier test
[06:40] <Epru> I did
[06:40] <nacc> Epru: Xorg vs. Wayland
[06:40] <Insectorx> Ok i apologize.    I dont want to be a dick. Im sorry
[06:40] <Epru> It failed. Wait. My driver may be set as the wrong one
[06:40] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: You aren’t, but let’s discuss this in #ubuntu-discuss
[06:42] <Epru> nacc : I'm using the x.org open source video-nouveau driver, not the proprietary,tested one
[06:42] <Epru> Switch and try x org session again? after a reboot?
[06:42] <Epru> and update...?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> Epru: what did i just suggested you?
[06:44] <Epru> lotuspsychje I know but it's not something I can explain well. And there's no xrandr pastebin it really... And everyone acts like they cant help an unknown display wayland session so
[06:44] <Epru> Idk how to phrase my problem.
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> !details | Epru
[06:44] <Epru> Oh ffs. Nvm
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> Epru: hi, i have a problem with..ubuntu version,kernel,steps tried..
[06:58] <hotbakedpotato[m> I got a package fail on the recent kernel you guys sent out
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> hotbakedpotato[m: do you have more details?
[07:00] <hotbakedpotato[m> not really now i may try to reinstall and see if i get the same error
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> hotbakedpotato[m: you dont know wich package? wich ubuntu version and wich kernel you have?
[07:02] <hotbakedpotato[m> the latest kernel release and on 16.04
[07:02] <hotbakedpotato[m> not sure why another kernel is out..i thought there was just one released
[07:02] <hotbakedpotato[m> now it says restart it maybe fixed now
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> hotbakedpotato[m: hastebin us: lsb_release -a && uname -a
[07:23] <josh> ayy wats up fam
[07:29] <skraito> hi all
[07:39] <ferretsatsuma> On Ubuntu Core, why would ldconfig.real -i generate a segmentation fault? Does this indicate a bug in libc, or…?
[07:42] <adithya_> If i am using linux mint can i ask doubts in this channel?
[07:42] <Ben64> no
[07:43] <Ben64> mint has their own channel
[07:43] <vlt> adithya_: You can, as long you're asking about Ubuntu (while using Mint).
[07:44] <drozdziak1_works> Hi there, I've got a Ubuntu 16.04 box with an Intel Sky Lake GPU, governed by the i915 driver. Yesterday I installed the OpenCL ICD loader (the beignet-opencl-icd package), and today xrandr won't rotate one of my screens saying "Configure crtc 0 failed"
[07:45] <drozdziak1_works> output from "xrandr --output DP1 --rotate left --verbose": https://pastebin.com/YhQMYstu
[07:45] <drozdziak1_works> In dmesg I've also get "[ 2908.637018] [drm] Reducing the compressed framebuffer size. This may lead to less power savings than a non-reduced-size. Try to increase stolen memory size if available in BIOS."
[07:46] <adithya_> does linux-mint use ubuntu?
[07:46] <ducasse> adithya_: mint is based on ubuntu, but has made changes
[07:53] <adithya_> so which ubuntu version does it use?
[07:57] <ducasse> ask them.
[07:57] <ducasse> !mint | adithya_
[07:58] <hmwel> Hi, I'm using a script to remotly shutdown a ubuntu server ad as specified time but the shutdown command is not retuning
[08:31] <girp> hi
[08:35] <sud0x3> hmwel: do you just have the command shutdown in your script, the shutdown command takes a parameter
[08:55] <Mouzz> On 16.04 apt-upgrade results in failure because of "No space left on device" message. df -h shows the root partition (btrfs) is only 78% used. "apt autoclean" also gives the same error
[08:55] <EriC^> Mouzz: try 'df -i'
[08:55] <Mouzz> btrfs has no inodes
[08:55] <EriC^> are you able to create files?
[08:55] <EriC^> without apt
[08:56] <Mouzz> yes I can create files in the /
[08:57] <EriC^> try "sudo apt-get autoclean"
[08:58] <Mouzz> EriC^: I've also tried "umount overflow" or "umount /tmp" but those dont exist  on my system
[08:58] <Mouzz> EriC^: I've tried autoclean, but that throws the same error: "Problem renaming the file /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin.kslwzL to /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin - rename (28: No space left on device)"
[08:59] <EriC^> try with apt-get instead of apt
[08:59] <EriC^> just incase
[08:59] <Mouzz> EriC^: I did, same result
[08:59] <ezra-s> Mouzz: but how many filesystems do you have? maybe it's not / but /var
[09:00] <EriC^> ^ can you pastebin the output of 'df -h' in paste.ubuntu.com?
[09:01] <Mouzz> mount -> https://pastebin.com/yifeLqw0    df -h -> https://pastebin.com/5mV1vjLh
[09:05] <ezra-s> Mouzz: have you tried "fstrim /"?
[09:06] <ezra-s> seeing as the partitions refered as ssd, it is worth checking if there some kind of issue with the ssd disk
[09:06] <Mouzz> ezra-s: Just tried it. Same result for apt-get autoclean...
[09:07] <Mouzz> ezra-s: smartctl -a /dec/sda returned health status as PASSED
[09:09] <Mouzz> I think it's btrfs related somehow...
[09:11] <Mouzz> "btrfs fi show" shows me that all space available is somehow used. Still investigating :)
[09:23] <rwx777> hey i want to mount a cd but get error : mount: /dev/sr0: can't read superblock . What is the problem ?
[09:24] <RedCat27> I'm using Lubuntu 17.10. I have software updater set to check for updates daily & to only notify rather than automatically install. It still seems to be install regardless and asks me to reboot. Also, how can I see what was actually updated? /var/log/apt only shows things I explicitly installed. Could this prompt to reboot be triggered by something I installed?
[09:24] <RedCat27> Er, it still installs automatically even though I have it unchecked
[09:27] <RedCat27> I had this issue in MATE 16.04 as well, very quirky software updater.
[09:31] <EriC^^> rwx777: how are you mounting it?
[09:34] <EriC^^> RedCat27: pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/{*periodic,*upgrades}'
[09:38] <RedCat27> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/ql00
[09:40] <EriC^^> RedCat27: what about 'cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades' ?
[09:41] <RedCat27> EriC^^: doesn't exist
[09:41] <EriC^^> oh
[09:42] <EriC^^> RedCat27: pastebin 'ls /etc/apt/apt.conf.d'
[09:44] <RedCat27> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/myom
[09:44] <mdlpe> Hi, i have some trouble to launch Ubuntu in dual boot with win 10. I need to choose linux on Windows boot loader and after I can access to grub. An idea ?
[09:45] <EriC^^> RedCat27: try 'cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/60gnome-software'
[09:45] <EriC^^> mdlpe: pastebin the results of 'sudo parted -ls'
[09:45] <Deknos> hey, whats the difference between insights.ubuntu.com and planet.ubuntu.com?
[09:47] <mdlpe> EriC^^: http://paste.debian.net/1007312/
[09:47] <RedCat27> EriC^^: ## This file is provided by GNOME Software to enable the download of ## small-size 64x64px icons for use in the software catalog. ## ## The icons are required for GNOME Software to function correctly. ## Applications without an icon will not be displayed at all.  Acquire::IndexTargets {     deb::DEP-11-icons  {         DefaultEnabled "true";     }; };
[09:47] <RedCat27> that's all it contains
[09:52] <EriC^^> mdlpe: type 'sudo efibootmgr -v' and pastebin
[09:54] <mdlpe> EriC^^: http://paste.debian.net/1007313/
[09:56] <mdlpe> If I do not choose linux by selecting boot option (F12) at startup, I will boot directly to Windows without passing through GRUB
[09:57] <EriC^^> mdlpe: try 'grub-install'
[09:57] <EriC^^> *sudo grub-install
[09:58] <EriC^^> if it doesn't work then you can try disabling the windows entry
[09:59] <mdlpe> Ok, i'll do that reboot and come back soon
[09:59] <EriC^^> k
[10:00] <mdlpe> grub install won't work : http://paste.debian.net/1007314/
[10:01] <mdlpe> sda1 --> windows : sdb --> linux
[10:02] <EriC^^> mdlpe: try 'dpkg -l | grep grub; sudo blkid /dev/sdb1'
[10:03] <mdlpe> EriC^^: http://paste.debian.net/1007315/
[10:04] <EriC^^> mdlpe: try 'grep efi /etc/fstab'
[10:05] <tomreyn> i'm one of the unfortunate souls who settled for a ryzon cpu and need to roll their own kernel to gain some stability (at the loss of security and power saving features). so i'd like to fully automate building a custom kernel based on a mainline git checkout. how would you do this?
[10:06] <tomreyn> (basically i'd like to automate this: http://blog.programster.org/ubuntu-16-04-compile-custom-kernel-for-ryzen)
[10:06] <mdlpe> EriC^^: # /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[10:06] <mdlpe> UUID=126B-B2FF  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[10:07] <EriC^^> mdlpe: ok ubuntu is using /dev/sda1 as the efi partition, i'd rather it used /dev/sdb1 so it's a stand alone install
[10:07] <EriC^^> are you ok with changing it?
[10:08] <mdlpe> EriC^^: I'm lost
[10:09] <mdlpe> If I did misunderstood, Ubuntu use the efi partition of windows and do not need its own efi partition.
[10:09] <mdlpe> --didn't
[10:09] <EriC^^> mdlpe: the bootloaders go in the efi partition, efibootmgr has a list of which ones to boot in order, in disk sda there's an efi partition for windows, in disk sdb there's one for ubuntu, but ubuntu is using the sda efi partition right now, so if you ever put that disk on another pc it can't boot cause it's depending on sda
[10:10] <tomreyn> where "that disk" = sdb
[10:10] <EriC^^> it can use it, but you already have an efi partition in sdb, might as well let ubuntu use it and the install becomes independent, you see what i mean
[10:11] <mdlpe> Yes, but how to do it
[10:12] <mdlpe> I have no enough room to install ubuntu on sda
[10:12] <EriC^^> mdlpe: sudo sed -i 's/UUID=126B-B2FF/UUID=410C-A72B/' /etc/fstab
[10:12] <mdlpe> EriC^^: done
[10:12] <EriC^^> mdlpe: then type 'sudo umount /dev/sda1'
[10:13] <mdlpe> EriC^^: done
[10:13] <EriC^^> mdlpe: try 'sudo mount /boot/efi'
[10:13] <mdlpe> EriC^^: done
[10:14] <EriC^^> mdlpe: try 'LANG=C sudo grub-install'
[10:15] <mdlpe> EriC^^: root@mdlpe-Aspire-VN7-792G:/home/mdlpe# LANG=C sudo grub-install
[10:15] <mdlpe> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[10:15] <mdlpe> Installation finished. No error reported.
[10:15] <EriC^^> mdlpe: ok, type 'sudo efibootmgr -v' and pastebin the results
[10:16] <qp> how to turn off wol in bios ?
[10:16] <mdlpe> EriC^^: http://paste.debian.net/1007317/
[10:16] <pr3s4r10_> i wanna make a bootable ubuntu usb drive from my hdd but it gets more than 25 gig. i don't want my files. i just want the ubuntu system
[10:17] <EriC^^> mdlpe: ok, try rebooting and see if it works
[10:17] <mdlpe> EriC^^: ok I try it and come back
[10:17] <tomreyn> qp: this is bios (vendor) specific and not really an ubuntu question. try to search the web, and if that fails, try ##hardware.
[10:18] <qp> its ubuntu issue , i get around a % battery drain (switched off) after installing ubuntu
[10:23] <tomreyn> s10gopal: again, disabling WOL is a matter of reconfiguring your bios / uefi / mainboard firmware, has nothing to do with the OS.
[10:24] <mdlpe> EriC^^: It's the same, if I do not interrup the boot by F12 i directly boot on windows
[10:24] <s10gopal> tomreyn: i get blank screen for around 30 second after ubuntu logo
[10:24] <EriC^^> mdlpe: ok, the bios must switch it back to windows first by default
[10:25] <tomreyn> s10gopal: are you trying to diagnose this potential issue (which is unrelated to WOL)?
[10:25] <EriC^^> mdlpe: do you have any uefi list in the bios setup?
[10:25] <angelfire009> where did my message go that i just typed?
[10:25] <angelfire009> when i login, i get a message that:- sorry, ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error. package: systemd 229-4ubuntu21
[10:25] <s10gopal> tomreyn: yes + i want to fix battery drain too
[10:25] <tomreyn> angelfire009: not here, that's all we know
[10:26] <angelfire009> got it using the up arrow. has used /help at the beginning. dont know where it leads to.
[10:26] <mdlpe> EriC^^: I need to verify. To boot on linux, i trusted Ubuntu in the bios. But I need to check. What do you want i check on my bios ?
[10:26] <zeta> I run ZFS on Linux where I had to use an unstable grub from debian to make it work. Now when Ubuntu has a new grub version I want to use that. So I purged grub, but it was unsuccessful because of unmet dependencies. And now it won't let me re-install grub (and all grub stuff has already been deleted)
[10:26] <EriC^^> mdlpe: check if there is any uefi boot order you can change
[10:27] <mdlpe> ok, i come back
[10:27] <s10gopal> black screen for around 30 second after ubuntu logo + battery drain when laptop is off plz help
[10:28] <tomreyn> s10gopal: take a look at the /var/log/messages log file and the output of the "dmesg -T" command. those should hint on what, if anything, went wrong during boot. you can use the 'pastebinit' command to share those with us (if you'd like someone else to review them).
[10:28] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | s10gopal
[10:29] <s10gopal> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26463379/
[10:33] <s10gopal> tomreyn: plz see line  1117
[10:33] <angelfire009> when i login, i get a message that:- sorry, ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error. package: systemd 229-4ubuntu21
[10:34] <tomreyn> s10gopal: i just lost some lines posted to this channel, can xyou repeat?
[10:35] <s10gopal> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26463379/
[10:35] <s10gopal> tomreyn: plz see line  1117
[10:35] <s10gopal> black screen for around 30 second after ubuntu logo + battery drain when laptop is off plz help
[10:36] <tomreyn> s10gopal: you have kernel oopses triggered by the wireless module
[10:37] <s10gopal> tomreyn: how to fix it ? it is also causing battery drain when laptop is shutdown?
[10:37] <mdlpe> EriC^^: done ! I placed efi ubuntu on the first choice to boot and all is fine now
[10:37] <EriC^^> mdlpe: great!
[10:37] <mdlpe> EriC^^: Thanks a lot !
[10:37] <EriC^^> mdlpe: no problem!
[10:39] <angelfire009> https://imagebin.ca/v/3pWADjFHm3Bv
[10:40] <tomreyn> s10gopal: i'm not sure how to fix it. maybe a firmware update is needed, or running a non taintend kernel.
[10:42] <s10gopal> tomreyn: it prevent laptop to shut down properly ?
[10:43] <EriC^^> mdlpe: also run 'sudo update-grub'
[10:43] <s10gopal> EriC^^: plz help
[10:43] <tomreyn> s10gopal: it might. am i right in that you are using a non ubuntu wireless driver?
[10:44] <s10gopal> tomreyn: idk
[10:44] <tomreyn> "wl: loading out-of-tree module taints kernel. wl: module license 'MIXED/Proprietary' taints kernel. wl: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel"
[10:44] <s10gopal> tomreyn: i didnt installed anything
[10:44] <tomreyn> ok, maybe those are normal with secure boot enabled
[10:45] <s10gopal> tomreyn: i disabled it
[10:46] <s10gopal> tomreyn: [Fri Jan 26 14:07:17 2018] Secure boot disabled
[10:49] <tomreyn> s10gopal: okay, looks like i misinterpreted your logs then. can you run (and post the output of): lspci -vvnn | grep -A 9 Network
[10:49] <Alex___> Hey Guys! Am I right here if I need some help with my freshly installed linux?
[10:49] <tomreyn> Alex___: if this linux is a a supported ubuntu distribution, yes
[10:50] <s10gopal> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26463442/
[10:50] <Alex___> tomreyn: Xubuntu :)
[10:50] <tomreyn> Alex___: "lsb_release -sd" will list the version number (which also matters)
[10:51] <Alex___> That would be 16.04.3 LTS
[10:53] <Alex___> tomreyn: My problem is, Im trying to mount a cifs share from my NAS via /etc/fstab to a folder on my machine. Got it all up and running, but i cant get rw acces. Whatever I try, it mounts with ro. Tried the rw option in fstab, guid and so on. Nothing changes
[10:58] <s10gopal> tomreyn: found anything?
[10:58] <angelfire009> plz help.    when i login, i get a message that:- sorry, ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error. package: systemd 229-4ubuntu21
[10:58] <tomreyn> s10gopal: not really, i just gave upo searching the web for similar issues. all i know is that this is probably not a well supported device. try with the non HWE kernel,
[10:59] <s10gopal> how?
[10:59] <tomreyn> Alex___: that's probably a matter of the server (samba) configuration then.
[10:59] <parapan> is this working >
[11:00] <Alex___> tomreyn: maybe. but with my last linux, kubuntu, it worked just fine
[11:00] <zeta> dpkg: error processing package grub-pc (--remove): subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 10
[11:01] <tomreyn> s10gopal: which ubuntu release is this?
[11:01] <s10gopal> tomreyn: 16 lts
[11:01] <s10gopal> tomreyn: updated
[11:01] <s10gopal> tomreyn: fresh installed
[11:02] <tomreyn> s10gopal: so 16.04 lts. here's how: sudo apt install linux-image-generic; sudo apt purge linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[11:02] <zeta> apt-get check: unmet dependencies: grub-pc grub2-common grub-pc-bin
[11:02] <tomreyn> Alex___: i agree that's unexpected then. sorry, i would not know, maybe kde mounts them differently.
[11:03] <s10gopal> tomreyn: i tried ubuntu 17.04 but same problem and after kernel update disk went read only mode
[11:03] <zeta> I'll give $10 (Paypal) to anyone who successfully helps me re-install grub
[11:03] <tomreyn> s10gopal: 17.04 is !eol, no longer supported. but it was probably using the same kernel version by the time you tried.
[11:03] <Alex___> tomreyn: ok thanks anyway!
[11:04] <s10gopal> 17.10 sorry
[11:04] <s10gopal> tomreyn: tried last night
[11:04] <tomreyn> welcome, Alex, sorry i can't help
[11:05] <tomreyn> s10gopal: okay, still probably the same kernel version
[11:06] <tomreyn> s10gopal: the real issue will be your hardware and how the company producing it doesn't provide good linux drivers / good documentation.
[11:07] <s10gopal> tomreyn: i am using hp ay008 tx
[11:07] <tomreyn> s10gopal: i was referring to the broadcom wireless chipset you have in there
[11:07] <abdel_> hello guys, I am usung ubuntu 16.04. I can't intall programs, neither can i access ubuntu software centre. kindly help please
[11:08] <s10gopal> tomreyn: and how i can solve battery drain when laptop is off ?
[11:08] <s10gopal> tomreyn: around 1
[11:08] <s10gopal> tomreyn:  1% per hour ( shutdown)
[11:10] <SimonNL> remove battery while not in use.
[11:10] <SimonNL> hi gopal
[11:10] <s10gopal> hi
[11:11] <s10gopal> if i do it daily my battery will become loose
[11:13] <tomreyn> abdel_: which package are you trying to install?
[11:17] <abdel_> tomreyn: i was trying to install xpad. I doubt if anything is installing
[11:18] <abdel_> is it possible to format my ubuntu version without losing any document ? or App?
[11:18] <tomreyn> abdel_: can you run this on a terminal and post its output to a pastebin? sudo apt update; sudo apt install -f; sudo apt install xpad
[11:21] <tomreyn> abdel_: if your /home directory is on a different file system (or partition) than / (the highest path) then you can reinstall ubuntu, loosing information on installed packages, but not loosing personal data (as long as it is stored in the default location, so in /home)
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:24] <s10gopal> tomreyn: ?
[11:24] <jimb_> Good day BluesKaj
[11:24] <tomreyn> s10gopal: ?
[11:25] <s10gopal> tomreyn: plz help
[11:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning jimb_
[11:25] <tomreyn> s10gopal: i helped you where i could
[11:26] <s10gopal> tomreyn: thx
[11:26] <BluesKaj> I prefer tight data vs loose data ;-)
[11:28] <BluesKaj> you might lose your pants if you belt is too loose
[11:33] <fishcooker> how to install iso file to usb drive
[11:35] <BluesKaj> fishcooker:  use dd , it's one method
[11:43] <BluesKaj> fishcooker:  don't forget to unmount the target drive/USB before running the dd command
[11:44] <abdel_> @tomreyn-please find the link to the pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26463684/
[11:54] <waldmeister> hi
[11:55] <waldmeister> can i burn dvds with an ubuntu install dvd? for example, copy the contents of the dvd to hdd when booting?
[11:56] <waldmeister> so that the ubuntu install dvd does not occupy the drive
[11:58] <jimb_> waldmeister, It sounds like you are asking if you cansort-of install Ubuntu, on a temporary basis. If this is the case, I suggest you make a Bootable USB drive, then boot from that... then you can burn DVDs from the live boot session.
[12:01] <sud0x3> waldmeister: I think you want to be able to create another dvd from the live environment without having a copy of the iso, i dont think this would be possible
[12:02] <sud0x3> If you image the iso to a usb you will still need a way to get the iso to be able to burn another disc
[12:03] <waldmeister> thanks guys - i want to use a copy of the iso from my hard drive basically, i know that knoppix supports this, but i do not have any knoppix dvd here and can't create one because i can't create dvds :-/
[12:04] <jimb_> It's a little beyond this channel
[12:04] <jimb_> hit enter by mistake
[12:05] <jimb_> It's a little beyond this channels stopic, but you can create a drive partition and put the ISO in it, so that you have a "live" system that isn't a regular install.
[12:05] <sud0x3> waldmeister: You can directly boot iso files from grub2, you could install this to your harddrive assuming it is not holding an os and is just used for storage.
[12:05] <ericus> Why do I have to mute either Teamspeak or Banshee to get sound output from one of them? Not both at once http://i.imgur.com/dlUopa3.png
[12:06] <waldmeister> ok thanks, this sounds good - hope it will not mess around with the system too much
[12:07] <sud0x3> waldmeister: if there is a system on the mentioned hardrive do not play with installing grub on it
[12:16] <waldmeister> ok, i guess i will just buy a cheap usb stick and create a live system on it
[12:17] <waldmeister> thanks for the help
[12:18] <ask-ygU5AP56> hi
[12:18] <ericus> hi
[12:19] <ask-ygU5AP56> how can I gain su, without sudo and a su password, on a current (ubuntu 17.10) running Ubuntu (lubuntu variety) install?
[12:20]  * ask-ygU5AP56 runs i386
[12:20] <waldmeister> you should not be able to i guess
[12:20] <ask-ygU5AP56> waldmeister, well, what if I want to, in this particular case, justifiedly?
[12:21]  * ask-ygU5AP56 has a /etc/sudoers syntax failure
[12:21] <jimb_> ask-ygU5AP56, Have you tried booting from a live-cd? Then you can have SU and interact with the filesystem from the 17.10 install
[12:21] <ask-ygU5AP56> ergo, no sudo. but the box runs. though it's crypted.
[12:22] <ask-ygU5AP56> I don't recall writing anything, password wise, down. and it doesn't ask currently during startup.
[12:22] <brym> hi all. got an update error. i get a 403 when apt tries to update lxc/lxd from the cache. says there's no release file. any suggestions?
[12:22] <ask-ygU5AP56> so I figure, it won't be seen via an 'external' boot & mount.
[12:25] <jimb_> ask-ygU5AP56, Sorry, I don't think anyone is going to walk you through privilege escalation steps on this channel and I don't know how to walk you through mounting an encrypted partition in rw mode via external boot, but I figure that's what you are looking for instruction on.
[12:27] <guillaum2> hello
[12:29] <gordonjcp> ask-ygU5AP56: sounds like you've got an unrivalled opportunity to learn how to back up, wipe, reinstall and restore a machine :-)
[12:30] <gordonjcp> encrypted volume setup shouldn't be in the pointy-clicky installer
[12:30] <Pozzo> hello
[12:30] <gordonjcp> it should require some sort of physical key to enable, that you only get after doing a proper course so you know exactly how screwed you'll be when the encrypted drive goes wrong
[12:31] <Pozzo> I've a ubuntu server (in a VM) with a very weird behavior : some command line (like "top") are becoming very (very) slow to start
[12:31] <Pozzo> I mean : i run start... I have to wait 10s before top displays the running process... but once top is displayed all is normal... top is refreshing the screen normally
[12:32] <Pozzo> and the CPU/RAM is normal too
[12:32] <Pozzo> any idea to explain that ? something I could track to find what is happend ?
[12:40] <unimatrix9> hi there
[12:40] <LordDragon> hey all. i always run into this problem where /boot gets 100% full with old kernels. then it becomes almost impossible to remove the old ones because /boot full causes errors
[12:40] <LordDragon> i tried apt-get purge
[12:40] <LordDragon> it fails
[12:41] <ericus> LordDragon install bikeshed
[12:41] <ericus> and then sudo purge-old-kernels
[12:41] <LordDragon> ericus: im sure there is a built in way to do it. id rather not install 3rd party stuff that does who knows what
[12:41] <akik> LordDragon: if you get this problem, remove a initramfs or two and then repeat the previous command
[12:42] <unimatrix9> we use mu-editor for programming with micro python, now the latest update for ubuntu 16.04 LTS breaks the mu-editor program ( bin file from website ) , ImportError: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmGetDevices2
[12:42] <akik> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[12:42] <LordDragon> akik: ok. i didnt want to start just rm files and breaking the proper removal process. but ill try that. thanks
[12:42] <unimatrix9> any clue' s or tips are welcome
[12:43] <mbi> brym: did you get an answer to your question?
[12:43] <LordDragon> akik: that link is really helpful. thanks :D
[12:44] <akik> LordDragon: it seems to suggest that you need to run unattended-upgrades
[12:45] <banisterfiend> how boys, how do i add aliases for short cuts? say i want to add an alias for C-c (copy) and C-v(paste) etc
[12:51] <akik> LordDragon: it's kind of weird that the new kernel update doesn't check the available space in /boot (or /) since it's a really easy and quick check)
[12:51] <akik> LordDragon: but the problem with running out of disk space can create a multitude of problems
[12:53] <LordDragon> ok even deleting some of htose files doesnt work
[12:53] <LordDragon> cuz every time i try to do a purge
[12:53] <LordDragon> with apt-get or dpkg
[12:53] <LordDragon> i get "unmet dependencies"
[12:53] <LordDragon> it says that the kernel im trying to purge depends on the same kernel im trying t purge
[12:54] <LordDragon> it tells me to run "sudo apt-get install -f"
[12:54] <LordDragon> which then puts back EVERYTHING i just deleted
[12:54] <LordDragon> its like forcing me to have a full /boot
[12:55] <brym> mbi: i did not
[12:56] <mbi> and you are running a supported version of Ubuntu?
[12:56] <mbi> be aware that 17.04 isnt supported anymore
[12:57] <brym> 16.04
[12:58] <ITR> Hey, so a few years ago I dual-booted fedora on my laptop with windows 7, then later I decided to triple-boot with ubuntu too. However, ubuntu decided to install it's own loader over the windows 7 loader, instead of over grub, which made me unable to start windows (If I choose windows 7 (loader) in grub or the ubuntu loader, it just brings me to the ubuntu loader). Earlier I tried using boot repair, but that just made me loop into the g
[12:58] <ITR> I choose windows 7 (loader) (pastebin from that: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26453861/). I also tried "Restore MBR" and selected the particion Windows 7 (loader) is on, which didn't seem to change anything (this is after getting the log). Any ideas on how to fix this?
[12:58] <mbi> brym, did you try: apt-get clean && apt-get update ?
[13:00] <brym> mbi: i usually autoclean with each update/upgrade. is this different to clean?
[13:02] <mbi> try apt-get clean && apt-get update and eventually apt-get upgrade and see if this helps you in this case.
[13:02] <mbi> there is a difference between autoclean and clean
[13:03] <mbi> clean: removes all stored archives in your cache.
[13:03] <mbi> autoclean: removes all stored archives in your cache for packages that can not be downloaded anymore (thus packages that are no longer in the repo or that have a newer version in the repo)
[13:03] <BillD73> ITR: possibly update-grub is what your after?
[13:05] <ITR> BillD73: What does that do again?
[13:05] <brym> mbi: tried it with apt and apt-get. no joy.
[13:06] <mbi> still the same 403 against the repo? .. sure the repo is avaliable? ;-)
[13:07] <brym> well, it's canonical so i hope it is. although it is coming from a ppa, but i couldn't imagine that being an issue for something canonical-maintained.
[13:07] <brym> *shouldn't. of course i could imagine it lol
[13:08] <mbi> if it's a simple http-repo, try to see if you can access it through a browser of some sort, just to make sure it is online.
[13:08] <ITR> BillD73: Oh, if it just regenerates the grub menu it won't help. It finds the windows7 loader on sda1
[13:09] <brym> mbi: ok, looks like this might resolve it. trying it now: https://askubuntu.com/questions/997943/receiving-403-forbidden-on-ubuntu-dists-xenial-main-binary-amd64-packages-unab
[13:11] <BillD73> ITR:  i dont see anything in the pastebin for a grub error
[13:12] <mbi> :-)
[13:13] <BillD73> ITR: actually #grub maybe more suitable to helping you solve this
[13:13] <ITR> Hmm, I'll try there then
[13:14] <brym> mbi: sorted. lxd/lxc now updating without errors or interrupting the rest of the update/upgrade process.
[13:14] <mbi> Great
[13:16] <brym> now onto the next problem. i just went to dunk a biscuit into my  coffee and... well, i need more coffee :P
[13:17] <mbi> Guess that belongs in #need-more-coffee :-)
[13:19] <brym> swear i spend more time getting coffee sometimes lol. oh well.
[13:21] <BillD73> :-D
[13:22] <ask-ygU5AP56> gordonjcp, well, it's clear some sort of 'offline' code oughta be recorded.
[13:22] <ask-ygU5AP56> gordonjcp, then again there may have been a moment when a 'password' was entered.
[13:22] <ask-ygU5AP56> I don't recall, it's been like 2 years?
[13:23] <ask-ygU5AP56> never once have I later on entered it either during startup..
[13:23] <aiena> I have one strange problem. I have a script which exports and adds to path for the current shell. The binary is in the PATH. I have verified this by looking at the env var. But when I try to run the binary. Ubuntu complains that the app is not installed. I want to run the thing from my custom path. WHat is making ubuntu not read the bin from path?
[13:24] <abdel_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26463684/.......................please i need help guys
[13:25] <aiena> hmm looks like corrupted data abdel_ from one of the ppa's you have
[13:25] <aiena> not necessarily corrupt but invalid data
[13:26] <aiena> abdel_: I think you added https://launchpad.net/~am-monkeyd/+archive/ubuntu/nautilus-elementary-ppa and it is creating a mess for you
[13:26] <aiena> try and see if you can install ppa-purge
[13:26] <akik> aiena: please make a pastebin showing the commands and error messages you get. that way someone is more easily be able to help you
[13:29] <xx_> www.baidu.com
[13:30] <xx_> ls
[13:31] <Cheez> Trying to install amdgpu-pro 17.40-492261 on Ubuntu 16.04 and DKMS is failing to build the kernel module (running kernel 4.13.0-32 - as far as i know the current one offered through apt-get). Anyone encountered similar and solved it? Build log with the errors: https://gist.github.com/Cheezykins/ce3a9e3ece3ad8d648fd8572bf296d52
[13:32] <OnkelTem> Hi
[13:33] <OnkelTem> How to decrypt and mount a user directory from another HDD?
[13:34] <ftpuser1> hi there
[13:35] <ftpuser1> guys can you read this?
[13:35] <tomreyn> ftpuser1: yes
[13:35] <yeats> OnkelTem: I've been there - no fun and that's why I've not done that since
[13:35] <aiena> akik: here https://paste.pound-python.org/show/gGBXnf7dP7zlHFHkTlQA/ on line one I source my vars. On line 4 I print $PATH you can see a path is prepended the "COrdova" thing. Then on line 8 I do nan ls you can see a binary "node" is in that path. On line 12 I am trying to run it but ubuntu seems to ignore the $PATH and says node is not installed. On line 17 I proove node can run from the path def
[13:35] <ftpuser1> ok cool
[13:35] <tomreyn> Cheez: build it against the 16.04.1 kernel
[13:35] <aiena> *defined in $PATH
[13:36] <yeats> OnkelTem: this might help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/605538/recover-encrypted-home-folder-after-reinstallation#605634
[13:36] <akik> aiena: i remember some version of nodejs needing to create a symbolic link "node"
[13:36] <akik> aiena: oh sorry i see that it's in that long path
[13:36] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: if you're referring to an ecryptfs encrypted home directory (that's what the ubuntu installer offers for encypting your home directoy) then after mounting it you should find a text file explaining how to decrypt it.
[13:36] <yeats> OnkelTem: (see the various responses to that question - more than one approach is listed)
[13:37] <ftpuser1> exit
[13:37]  * skraito greets everyone and shout to joy and said "Happy  Sabbath Day Everyone " .
[13:37] <akik> aiena: what does "which node" tell you?
[13:37] <aiena> blank
[13:37] <aiena> but why
[13:37] <akik> aiena: how about "hash -r; which node" ?
[13:38] <keeb> Is anyone familiar with NVIDIA drivers? I need to install a legacy driver and ubuntu refuses to. I've already purged nvidia*, and then when I run "apt-get install nvidia-361" (Or any old version), it installs nvidia-384 instead. I've also tried to "hold" the old version in apt and either I am doing something wrong or that doesn't work either. TY
[13:38] <aiena> nothing
[13:38] <geirha> not which, type. ''type node''
[13:38] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: it reminds me how I once tried to locate my phone in a browser: Google sent a confirmation to my phone that I want to log into locating service
[13:38] <aiena> geirha: "type" also says not found
[13:38] <aiena> it is weird bcause I did the ls from the output of echo $PATH to be sure
[13:39] <OnkelTem> I booted from a Live 17.10 image and I have my old hdd mounted. Now how can I mount my home directory?
[13:39] <geirha> remove the backslash in PATH
[13:39] <OnkelTem> yeats: thanks, I'll try that
[13:39] <aiena> geirha: the starting one
[13:39] <akik> aiena: the back slash doesn't work in PATH
[13:40] <aiena> ah
[13:40] <aiena> so if there are spaces how do I tell bash to keep the space?
[13:40] <aiena> I used a literal ''
[13:40] <akik> aiena: you can set the path with e.g. export PATH="/path test:$PATH"
[13:40] <geirha> aiena: '' or \ or ""
[13:41] <aiena> so variables store spaces
[13:41] <geirha> you had used both '' and \, use onlye one
[13:41] <geirha> though I recommend not using paths with whitespace in PATH. There are many badly written scripts out there that may try to parse PATH and choke on spaces in it
[13:42] <aiena> geirha: yes I think when I coped from path it had that thank you
[13:42] <OnkelTem> Damn it, when I try to mount my encrypted home it is asking me a lot of questions
[13:42] <aiena> geirha: ok
[13:43] <OnkelTem> So I typed: mount -t ecryptfs ./.ecryptfs/username/.Private ./username
[13:43] <beaver> @info musl
[13:43] <OnkelTem> And it asked my passphrase (typed), then the chiper (???) then the key length... and something else
[13:43] <beaver> !info musl
[13:44] <beaver> ^^
[13:44] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/en/man1/ecryptfs-recover-private.1.html
[13:44] <beaver> musl-linux-ppc64el really ?
[13:44] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: oh man, that's what I need really, thanks!
[13:46] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: i should actually have pointed you to http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/artful/en/man1/ecryptfs-recover-private.1.html (artful, not zesty)
[13:46] <aiena> abdel_:  maybe ask your question again incase it got lost. Try to install ppa-purge and see if you can remove that ppa and fix your lists
[14:11] <anddam> what's the difference between dia (dia-normal executable) and dia-gnome? I'm running both and I cannot spot a difference
[14:14] <yeats> !info dia-gnome | anddam
[14:22] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: thanks, it worked
[14:22] <OnkelTem> Folks, one more question thought it's probably KDE related. I've just installed 17.10 and it's asking me about encryption of my home dir
[14:23] <OnkelTem> So it showed a message and asked for my passphrase
[14:24] <yeats> OnkelTem: yep, that will be required every time you mount your home dir (at boot)
[14:25] <yeats> OnkelTem: and not just on KDE - that's the way the encryptfs feature works
[14:25] <OnkelTem> http://en.zimagez.com/full/b05cf24929edc4e0187bb987ec28cd5495057f9b081c56976924c0fb25bf0a9d3c4f29510eb2fcf3ff6b89f18bbaf646c9ce72e8c6989db7.php
[14:26] <OnkelTem> yeats: no, that's another thing. I've installed a new system and want to encrypt my home dir again.
[14:26] <OnkelTem> So it's the first time it asks for a passphrase
[14:27] <OnkelTem> SO basically it asked me to type a passphrase and stopped
[14:27] <yeats> OnkelTem: so what's the question?
[14:27] <OnkelTem> what it is assumed to happen next?
[14:27] <yeats> oh
[14:27] <OnkelTem> What is it doing?
[14:27] <yeats> it's been long enough since I used that feature that I probably shouldn't pretend to know - I'll step back and let others respond :-)
[14:28] <OnkelTem> yeats: np :)
[14:33] <s10gopal> laptop battery drain when laptop is off(shutdown) + black screen after boot for 30 seconds
[14:34] <s10gopal> disabled wol too
[14:36] <anddam> yeats: I'm on xenial tho', I see dia-gnome is different from dia-normal
[14:36] <anddam> yeats: and the libs linked by dia-gnome are wayh more
[14:37] <anddam> way*
[14:39] <vistefan> Hello! In lens menu, when i press "Windows" key and search "sublime" I see SubimeText icon twice and with wrong name (starting with "untitled"). This is because I re-insatlled sublime as a package several times when it cought some glitch. But in /usr/share/application there is only one *.desctop file. ST also is not listed in Nautilus "open with" list. How can I remove wrong icons and fix the thing.
[14:40] <Mouzz> EriC^^: In case you wanted to know what my "No space left on device" problem was, it was btrfs related. See https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ chanpter 4
[14:43] <backnforth> How do I install php7.0-pgsql on Ubuntu 17.10? I don't see it with my package manager
[14:44] <yeats> anddam: if you do 'apt-cache showpkg dia' and 'apt-cache showpkg dia-gnome' you'll see the differences in dependencies - I don't know the answer to your original question, but you might direct it to the package maintainer(s): https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/gnome/dia-gnome
[14:44] <deem> backnforth: it's called php7.1-pgsql in 17.10
[14:44] <oerheks> backnforth, 7.1
[14:46] <Cheez> hmm, i've got further now thanks to tomryn. Back on the old kernel and the dkms module builds, but when I log in via lightdm i see a black screen then get thrown back to the lightdm login. https://gist.github.com/Cheezykins/2a1a6ee80e850526b8408d92648a0305#file-xorg-0-log-L129 link to relevent logs including a link to the lines in the Xorg logs showing what i think is probably the cause, but i don't know how
[14:46] <Cheez> to fix it >_>
[14:47] <backnforth> deem: oerheks But I need PHP7.0
[14:48] <oerheks> backnforth, unlikely you have 7.0 on artfull
[14:48] <s10gopal> oerheks: plz help me
[14:48] <deem> is there this much difference between 7.0 and 7.1?
[14:48] <uwjesq> Hello. In 16.04 I am trying to set a default password for mariadb but it does not seem to work I have tried this https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/35866/install-mariadb-without-password-prompt-in-ubuntu#49880
[14:48] <uwjesq> It is an interactive script.
[14:49] <uwjesq> I mean non-interactive
[14:49] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off after installing ubuntu (laptop is shutdown and drain 1% per hour ), tried 16.04 and 17.10 , + black screen after boot for around 30 sec
[14:49] <Cheez> backnforth: you can probably grab 7.1 out of the ondrej PPA
[14:49] <FederatedJam> Why are all the links here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/amd64/libwayland-client0/download  404s? I need to downgrade libwayland-client0, but the only versions available on 17.10 in the default sources are incompatible with the install libwayland-client
[14:50] <Cheez> https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[14:50] <backnforth> Cheez: I'm not looking to grab 7.1
[14:50] <Cheez> i meant 7.0
[14:50] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off after installing ubuntu (laptop is shutdown and drain 1% per hour ), tried 16.04 and 17.10 , + black screen after boot for around 30 sec tried this "http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/09/disabling-wake-on-lan-in-ubuntu-might-save-a-tiny-bit-of-power-on-your-laptop/" too but no result plz help me
[14:50] <backnforth> ok, I never heard of that source before
[14:50] <uwjesq> I have tried all kind of variations like this https://gist.github.com/hhirsch/47957a87a367387ff1866bd4257e0bcc
[14:51] <oerheks> backnforth,  what you ask for, is unsupported
[14:51] <ppf> in a shell script, is there away to _parse_ another shellscript
[14:51] <Cheez> backnforth: it's worth bearing in mind that support for php7.0 is ending this year, if you have stuff that can't work on PHP 7.1 it's worth updating it to work on 7.1
[14:52] <yeats> !zesty | FederatedJam
[14:52] <backnforth> Cheez: I'm looking to use a Drupal distributiont that I think is stuck on php7.0
[14:52] <Cheez> its already out of feature support, just security fixes.
[14:52] <backnforth> thanks for the note though
[14:52] <backnforth> ok, I'll test php 7.1 with it
[14:53] <calimero_82> hi guys, i`ve installed ubu in jumper ezbook 3 pro, but when i reboot, ubuntu doesn t work and starts again windows10
[14:53] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off after installing ubuntu (laptop is shutdown and drain 1% per hour ), tried 16.04 and 17.10 , + black screen after boot for around 30 sec tried this "http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/09/disabling-wake-on-lan-in-ubuntu-might-save-a-tiny-bit-of-power-on-your-laptop/" too but no result plz help me
[14:53] <Cheez> fwiw we have more than a few drupal installs running fine on 7.1 and 7.2
[14:53] <Budgii> Is caffiene running?
[14:54] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off after installing ubuntu (laptop is shutdown and drain 1% per hour ), tried 16.04 and 17.10 , + black screen after boot for around 30 sec
[14:54] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off after installing ubuntu (laptop is shutdown and drain 1% per hour ), tried 16.04 and 17.10 , + black screen after boot for around 30 sec tried this "http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/09/disabling-wake-on-lan-in-ubuntu-might-save-a-tiny-bit-of-power-on-your-laptop/" too but no result plz help me
[14:54] <Budgii> sl0gopal, is the caffiene app running?
[14:54] <ducasse> !patience | s10gopal
[14:54] <s10gopal> Budgii: ?
[14:55] <backnforth> Cheez: Is the support ending only for Ubuntu and for php7.0 in it's entirety?
[14:55] <backnforth> or*
[14:55] <ppf> i have a file which is basicly shell syntax, but contains declarative information that i would like to read
[14:55] <Budgii> sl0gopal, i don't know if you have the program called caffeine, but i do and it keeps your computer active
[14:55] <s10gopal> Budgii: i dont think it is installed
[14:56] <ppf> i.e. it contains # comments and a single line of files, which might be broken up terminating with \
[14:56] <backnforth> Cheez: IS the support ending only for Ubuntu or for php7.0 in it's entirety?
[14:56] <Budgii> sl0gopal: Alright. Not sure what's going on then. is the machine truly turned off?
[14:56] <ppf> how best to parse this?
[14:56] <s10gopal> Budgii: yes i think so , laptop led are off when i shutdown it
[14:56] <s10gopal> Budgii: tried sudo poweroff too
[14:57] <Cheez> backnforth: php 7.0 in its entirity. http://php.net/supported-versions.php
[14:57] <Budgii> sl0gopal, I don't know what to tell you. if the battery is easily removed, try taking it out overnight and then reinstalling it in the morning. See if it's the battery
[14:58] <s10gopal> Budgii: tried no drain , it only happen when i install ubuntu
[14:58] <tomreyn> ppf: you could use some programming or scripting language to do so, such as python, awk, sed.
[14:58] <s10gopal> Budgii: not happen when i install windows 10 , i am using ubuntu only now
[14:59] <ppf> tomreyn: of course, but i'd prefer not to :)
[14:59] <jimb_> s10gopal, It sounds to me, like the poweroff command isn't actually completely powering off the laptop... it sounds like it's leaving the board powered up. I had seen that long ago, not recently.
[14:59] <ppf> tomreyn: parsing is hard
[14:59] <aiena> s10gopal: one thing you can do to be sure its not ubuntu is after shutting dowm remove the battery then press the laptop power button for 15 seconds at this point there will be no power to anything in the circuitry. Then place the battery back into the laptop and see if it is still draining at 1% per hour. Then it is the battery/the circuit but not ubuntu.
[14:59] <Budgii> sl0gopal, curious. Does the machine sound like it's running when its off?
[15:00] <s10gopal> Budgii: no
[15:00] <tomreyn> ppf: you asked for a way to parse it, now you don't seem to want to parse it. i don't see the logic in this. ;)
[15:00] <aiena> well if it were running too there would either be a light indicator or some vibration from atleast a fan/HDD
[15:00] <Budgii> sl0gopal i'm out of ideas
[15:00] <s10gopal> aiena: tried battery is good and it dont happen when i install windows 10
[15:00] <ppf> tomreyn: i ask for a parser, i don't wanna write one myself ;)
[15:00] <aiena> s10gopal: did you try my steps.
[15:00] <ppf> tomreyn: i will if i have to, but i don't want to
[15:01] <tomreyn> ppf: unless it'S a standard format, it's unlikely that one exists,
[15:01] <s10gopal> aiena: yes i am messign with it from 4 days
[15:01] <yeats> uwjesq: you should ask in #maria
[15:01] <ppf> tomreyn: well it's posix shell syntax
[15:01] <tomreyn> ppf: can you show an example?
[15:01] <s10gopal> aiena: it dont happen when i hard power it off
[15:01] <uwjesq> yeats: I'll do that, too.
[15:02] <aiena> s10gopal: because if the battery is removed and you press power for 15 seconds ubuntu has absolutely no chance to start and any remnant process will die. If after 24 hours from that point your battery hasnt depleted 24% assuming 1% per hour then lets see.
[15:02] <s10gopal> aiena: yes it don't drain
[15:03] <aiena> then it is ubuntu
[15:03] <ppf> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26464581/
[15:03] <bluesmonk> if you press the meta key, and type startup applications there is a gui that helps you define which software runs at startup. I had four entries, and dumb me removed one that I think was important
[15:03] <s10gopal> aiena: what can i do ?
[15:03] <aiena> s10gopal: just try installing another linux distribution e.g. opensuse and see if it drains still
[15:03] <bluesmonk> but I did not get to see it, something about GNOME
[15:04] <Budgii> sl0gopal, do you have lenova or a really new computer?
[15:04] <bluesmonk> would some please share with me what entry they have?
[15:04] <s10gopal> aiena: tried , but they dont work with my laptop , only ubuntu works good
[15:04] <aiena> if it does then it could indicate a wider problem e.g. maybe in the linux kernel or something.
[15:04] <tomreyn> ppf: this is the source format (or haystack), i ssume? what's the target (needle)? also, i don't see how that's posix shell syntax.
[15:04] <aiena> s10gopal: which laptop is this?
[15:04] <s10gopal> aiena: hp ay 008tx
[15:05] <ppf> tomreyn: it's the haystack; i want to grep all the .tex files out of this list
[15:05] <ppf> granted there is non in the sample ... say all the .tfm files
[15:06] <aiena> hmm this is skylake other distros should work. I had trouble with skylake but when it was really really new.
[15:06] <aiena> s10gopal: Core i5 6200U/4 GB DDR4/1TB/DOS/2 GB Dedicated Graphics are the specs?
[15:06] <s10gopal> aiena: i tried dos windows 10 windows 7 and no drain
[15:06] <s10gopal> aiena: yes
[15:07] <Budgii> sl0gopal, read this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2359966
[15:07] <tomreyn> ppf: so just the file names, not their paths?
[15:07] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me install drivers for my video card?
[15:07] <ppf> tomreyn: including the paths
[15:07] <s10gopal> Budgii: http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/09/disabling-wake-on-lan-in-ubuntu-might-save-a-tiny-bit-of-power-on-your-laptop/ is same
[15:07] <Budgii> gotcha. sorry, I didnt read your original link
[15:08] <Budgii> Did the commands work?
[15:08] <s10gopal> aiena: how i can i fix linux ?
[15:08] <bluesmonk> nvm, found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/831215/what-are-the-default-startup-applications-preferences-in-ubuntu-16-04
[15:08] <s10gopal> Budgii: yes but still drain , output show d
[15:08] <aiena> s10gopal: I dont understand the problem yet so I cannot help yet.
[15:08] <aiena> I mean untill we find the root coause it is still a mystery
[15:08] <aiena> cause
[15:09] <s10gopal> aiena: lets find it
[15:09] <Budgii> sl0gopal, does this sound like anything you've tried? "hwclock --systohc --local"
[15:09] <s10gopal> Budgii: no
[15:09] <Budgii> I don't know what you ahve and haven't tried but here is another link https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/battery-drains-while-off-acpi-related-4175429035/
[15:11] <s10gopal> aiena: how i can take battery drain log ? or log when my laptop shutdown ?
[15:11] <aiena> hmm not sure you can unless the thing that does the logging is still running.
[15:12] <aiena> there is "journalctl" but that is for running systems
[15:12] <jimb_> s10gopal, do you have an ammeter and wire? That's how I would be checking the power draw on the battery when the laptop is off
[15:12] <tomreyn> ppf: grep '^    /.*\?$' haystack | sed -e 's#^    ##' -e 's#\\$##'
[15:12] <s10gopal> jimb_: no , but it only happen when i install ubuntu , it dont happen when i install windows
[15:13] <s10gopal> jimb_: and battery dont drain when i remove it
[15:13] <mau> tu
[15:13] <ppf> tomreyn: what about multiple files per line
[15:13] <tomreyn> ppf: i have not seen such in your haystack
[15:13] <Budgii> sl0gopal, incase you missed it: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/battery-drains-while-off-acpi-related-4175429035/
[15:14] <ppf> tomreyn: i do know how to hack this together. i'm looking for a way to not do it myself.
[15:14] <s10gopal> Budgii: read
[15:14] <tomreyn> ppf: well, you'll need to.
[15:14] <s10gopal> Budgii: i am using ubuntu 16.04ts
[15:15] <s10gopal> aiena: jimb_ Budgii plz help me
[15:15] <Budgii> sl0gopal. we are..
[15:15] <anddam> yeats: thanks
[15:16] <aiena> s10gopal: did you see the link posted by Budgii
[15:16] <s10gopal> aiena: yes
[15:16] <aiena> well everyone is trying to the best of their abilities to help
[15:16] <Budgii> sl0gopal, did it work?
[15:16] <s10gopal> aiena: how he identified this ? "I finally found the cause of the issue: the command "hwclock --systohc --local" causes the battery to drain when the laptop is off."
[15:16] <aiena> s10gopal: that we do not know
[15:17] <aiena> every path to an investigation is a different one
[15:17] <Budgii> Thats right aiena. :(
[15:17] <Budgii> :)*
[15:17] <ppf> tomreyn: sad.
[15:18] <ppf> tomreyn: matter of fact, grep+sed is a nightmare. python's shlex is probably the nicest way to go
[15:18] <s10gopal> aiena: Budgii it dont work in ubuntu 16.04
[15:19] <tomreyn> ppf: that's why i listed it first. i also think this is kind of off-topic for ubuntu support. maybe try the respective language channels or ##bash
[15:19] <aiena> s10gopal: it dont work is not very useful. What is the command output
[15:19] <aiena> are you in a root shell
[15:20] <aiena> what is the terminal output
[15:20] <s10gopal> aiena: i cant find the file which it says
[15:20] <ppf> tomreyn: building the parser or looking for one?
[15:20] <aiena> I need to go for dinner be back later tc
[15:20] <ppf> tomreyn: the former i tend to agree with, but i won't be needing support for that
[15:20] <dingir> how i wish logitech would support their stuff on linux
[15:20] <dingir> very sad very tears
[15:20] <tomreyn> ppf: right. what does it say when you run 'file' on the haystack file
[15:20] <Budgii> dingir, what do you have that is logitech
[15:21] <ppf> tomreyn: ASCII text
[15:21] <dingir> a g810 keyboard
[15:21] <Budgii> It won't let ya type?
[15:21] <dingir> figured out logigsk/g810-led programs...
[15:21] <tomreyn> ppf: so i guess its not a well known format.
[15:21] <dingir> its rgb man
[15:21] <dingir> i want the bleep bloop colors working
[15:21] <tomreyn> ppf: and i doubt a parser package exists.
[15:21] <Budgii> I have logtitech g502 and the rgb works
[15:21] <Budgii> (mouse)
[15:21] <s10gopal> Budgii: i cant find the file
[15:22] <dingir> the template doesnt exist for linux
[15:22] <Harm133> Hey guys, someone threw an really old ubuntu machine my way... It was setup on a hyperv host and is now also running on a hyperv host. Seems to be lucid 10.4... I can´t it to boot tho
[15:22] <dingir> i can only have fixed colors or the boring wave effect
[15:23] <s10gopal> Budgii: gopal@gopal-HP-Notebook:~$ sudo gedit /etc/conf.d/hwclock and hwn i click save gedit cant find the file
[15:23] <Harm133> getting the error: atkbd serio0: unknown key pressed
[15:23] <Harm133> and my caps/scroll lock keep blinking
[15:24] <auronandace> Harm133: you don't want to run such an old release
[15:25] <ppf> tomreyn: fair enough
[15:25] <Harm133> auronandace, I want to move the data on it, but want to boot it first tho :) no network connection, just watn a fix to boot
[15:25] <Budgii> sl0gopal, did you try the other methods in the thread?
[15:28] <swein> on 16.04 why would apt-get install work, yet apt install not work? It was for a third party added repo (sublime-text)
[15:29] <rpi[work]> i cant get ubuntu to install on this hp machine. No matter what i try it doesnt touch the internal drive
[15:29] <rpi[work]> i disabled secure boot
[15:29] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off after installing ubuntu (laptop is shutdown and drain 1% per hour ), tried 16.04 and 17.10 , + black screen after boot for around 30 sec tried this "http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/09/disabling-wake-on-lan-in-ubuntu-might-save-a-tiny-bit-of-power-on-your-laptop/" too but no result plz help me
[15:29] <rpi[work]> and fst boot
[15:29] <gt8ost4l> does anyody know hoe to restart x server
[15:29] <swein> gt8ost4l: easily googled
[15:29] <gt8ost4l> swe
[15:29] <Budgii> sl0gopal, try posting on the forums. We've exhausted our efforts here
[15:31] <gt8ost4l> swein i tred gdm but the restart command wasent found!
[15:31] <ducasse> !google | swein
[15:31] <ducasse> gt8ost4l: which release is this?
[15:32] <backnforth> Hi, I'm doing to do an `ln -s file link` but my link file is showing as empty
[15:32] <gt8ost4l> 17.10 has the commands changed
[15:33] <ducasse> gt8ost4l: try 'sudo systemctl restart gdm'
[15:33] <jon5000> hi.  i am trying to use ADB for something specific, related to getting ubuntu to recognize my android in a certain state..  Ask here? or somewhere else?
[15:34] <Budgii> jon5000: ADB, i've not heard of, but sounds pretty cool. what does it do?
[15:34] <tomreyn> backnforth: maybe the target is also empty (or does not exist)?
[15:35] <backnforth> tomreyn: is exist and has content
[15:36] <ducasse> jon5000: questions about adb would be better asked in #android
[15:36] <jon5000> Budgii,  android development bridge.  allows you to interact with and control android devices through a computer, such as pushing files, installing OS, getting to bootloader etc.
[15:36] <tomreyn> backnforth: which file system is it? can you provide output of "ls -l /path/to/symlink" and "readlink -f /path/to/symlink" and "ls -l $(readlind -f /path/to/symlink)" ?
[15:37] <jon5000> ducasse, thanks
[15:37] <Budgii> jon5000, awesome!
[15:38] <backnforth> tomreyn: got it
[15:38] <backnforth> I was using the wrong file it link
[15:38] <tomreyn> backnforth: i can't parse what you just wrote, but am glad i could help :)
[15:39] <Dave_Elec> hey guys i was working on an industrial machine control and user interface and i wanted to use an ubuntu and only boot to a single application how can i do that?
[15:39] <backnforth> tomreyn: sorry, I was using the wrong file to** link
[15:40] <tomreyn> backnforth: oh i see
[15:40] <backnforth> had the wrong directory for it
[15:40] <backnforth> I wasn't even using a file
[15:42] <paulo> hey
[15:43] <paulo> my mozila firefox doesn`t want to work...
[15:43] <paulo> can someone help me w
[15:43] <backnforth> paulo: what error are you getting?
[15:43] <paulo> BuildID: 20180104113619
[15:43] <paulo> CrashTime: 1516981404
[15:43] <paulo> this
[15:43] <pos> try starting ff in safe mode or delete your profile (/home/$user/.mozilla/firefox/xxx.profile)
[15:44] <paulo> still crashed.
[15:45] <pos> you killed ff, deleted your profile, restarted ff and it still crashes?
[15:45] <paulo> ow.no...hst a sec
[15:45] <paulo> can i guide me  w
[15:45] <paulo> how do i kil lit
[15:46] <pos> close it, "killall -9 firefox ; killall -9 firefox-bin"
[15:46] <paulo> on prompt?
[15:47] <pos> you could try the calculator
[15:47] <mertl> hey
[15:47] <paulo> hey
[15:48] <mertl> how are you guys
[15:48] <mertl> am almost new in ubuntu
[15:48] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm on Ubuntu 16.04. I'm trying to learn the "cal" command. Yet the man page doesn't seem to match the cal installed on my system.  What's happening?
[15:49] <mertl> am type the command "man cal" now
[15:50] <mertl> so i get response
[15:50] <mertl> i dont know what is happening but try this command
[15:50] <Richard_Cavell> It doesn't appear to like the options -w or -J for example, even though they are in the man page
[15:50] <mertl> sudo apt-get install cal
[15:51] <Richard_Cavell> E: Unable to locate package cal
[15:52] <orgasmix> mertl: your system must have the POSIX cal (man 1p cal) while your manpages default to an implementation with extensions that aren't on your system
[15:52] <orgasmix> mertl: try sudo apt install bsdmainutils_9.0.12+nmu1ubuntu1_amd64
[15:53] <Richard_Cavell> E: Unable to locate package bsdmainutils_9.0.12+nmu1ubuntu1_amd64
[15:55] <oerheks> the -w option if for ncal only, iirc
[15:56] <WacomNoob> I have been trying to get my Ubuntu 16.04 to detect my Wacom Intuos 2, but have so far been unsuccessful... Can anyone help me figure that out?
[15:56] <orgasmix> just bsdmainutils?
[15:56] <oerheks> bsdmainutils are standard installed, he had cal
[15:56] <Richard_Cavell> orgasmix, similar response
[16:04] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know how to install the intel drivers for ubuntu 17.10
[16:06] <oerheks> gt8ost4l, no need to, intel is already installed
[16:07] <oerheks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[16:09] <ciurlini> can someone help me
[16:09] <ciurlini> ?
[16:10] <ducasse> !ask | ciurlini
[16:10] <ciurlini> my mozilla firefox keep crashing and i dont konw what to do..i`m new in unbuntu
[16:12] <ciurlini> BuildID: 20180104113619
[16:12] <ciurlini> CrashTime: 1516983110 this is what it shows.
[16:20] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off (shutdown) only happen when i install ubuntu , disabled wol
[16:21] <oerheks> s10gopal, time to file a bugreport, or put your question on askubuntu.com
[16:21] <s10gopal> oerheks: lets file a bug report
[16:21] <oerheks> it sounds like an ACPI + hp issue, not an Ubuntu sisue to me
[16:21] <oerheks> !bug
[16:21] <s10gopal> oerheks: plz help me , plz try to troubleshoot it
[16:22] <_BIGSHOT_> i have 16.04LTS i want to install 17.10 how can i save my home folder, bookmarks ... i want minimum fuss
[16:22] <oerheks> s10gopal,  troubleshoot? tons of people tried i have no clue there
[16:23] <_BIGSHOT_> anyone?
[16:23] <oerheks> not sure what part you need to adress the bugreport to, i think acpi
[16:24] <s10gopal> oerheks: plz see this http://paste.ubuntu.com/26465020/
[16:24] <s10gopal> oerheks: 1207
[16:25] <_BIGSHOT_> oerheks, can you tell me bud how to do that?
[16:25] <_BIGSHOT_> can it be done automatically
[16:26] <oerheks> _BIGSHOT_, back it up on an external hdd/usb stick?
[16:27] <s10gopal> oerheks: can you plz help me in reporting a bug ? i dont know what to write
[16:27] <oerheks> you *could* choose to install and keep the /home/ folder, but no guarantee ,it can get lost
[16:28] <ducasse> _BIGSHOT_: boot a live image, copy what you want to save to a usb stick
[16:28] <oerheks> s10gopal, just follow the bug url from ubottu;  ubuntu-bug acpi # or something else?
[16:28] <s10gopal> oerheks: i dont know what to write , which log should i ost
[16:29] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off (shutdown) only happen when i install ubuntu , disabled wol
[16:31] <oerheks> s10gopal, that should do fine, it sends system info with the logs too
[16:31] <ducasse> s10gopal: then you write that - describe the problem and what you have tried to solve it
[16:33] <Nice_Man> Hi
[16:35] <s10gopal> oerheks: i am unable to understand it
[16:35] <s10gopal>  battery drain when laptop is off (shutdown) only happen when i install ubuntu , disabled wol
[16:35] <Justus> hi, I'm trying to upgrade clamav but apparently the latest version in the repos for trusty is 0.99.2, any suggestions what to do while that zero day is still rampant?
[16:38] <s10gopal>  battery drain when laptop is off (shutdown) only happen when i install ubuntu , disabled wol
[16:38] <oerheks> Justus, sudo freshclam # should get the latest defs
[16:38] <aiena> In ununtu suppose I install a deb which is not from the distro e.g. say the official Brackets deb how do I track it?
[16:41] <oerheks> aiena, you could get some info: apt-cache policy <name.deb>
[16:43] <aiena> ok
[16:43] <aiena> I am guessing with dpkg too you may be able to find out how to remove it
[16:44] <ftawolf> gm
[16:45] <Justus> oerheks: I'm not aware that a definition file update can fix the zero day exploits of clamd
[16:45] <Justus> I've disabled it for now anyways, but it is worrying that there's no patch :/
[16:47] <oerheks> " fix the zero day exploits of clamd" ... really?
[16:47] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off(shutdown ) tried disable wol
[16:48] <Justus> oerheks: http://blog.clamav.net/2018/01/clamav-0993-has-been-released.html
[16:50] <brainwash> Justus: bug 1744930
[16:50] <auronandace> Justus: that was yesterday, I think it may need a little time to filter through to updating clamav in the repo
[16:50] <brainwash> >In progress
[16:50] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off(shutdown ) tried disable wol , dont happen when i install windows
[16:51] <Justus> thanks brainwash amd auronandace I'll leave it disabled for now and update as soon as possible :)
[16:51] <s10gopal> brainwash: plz help me
[16:52] <oerheks> s10gopal, repeating over and over does not work, did you file a bugreport yet/?
[16:52] <s10gopal> oerheks: i dont know how to do it
[16:53] <s10gopal> oerheks: plz help me
[16:53] <brainwash> how can it drain the battery when it's powered off?
[16:53] <oerheks> s10gopal, take a read first https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:54] <Justus> brainwash: that doesn't look right, that's the merge request for the 0.99.3beta, clamav did change the versioning scheme because of this vulnerability, 0.99.3beta is now 0.100.0beta and 0.99.3 is the bugfix for the 7 DoS attacks against it
[16:54] <oerheks> brainwash, my idea too, but maybe that laptop keeps wireless up
[16:54] <brainwash> Justus: yeah. I should have linked this one bug 1745635
[16:55] <Justus> ah, ok, then it is already being adressed
[16:55] <Justus> alright, thank you :)
[16:56] <Nice_Man> From what i have read and understood linux is better without av or with one but in disabled mode and for scanning once a month...what do u think about that guys?
[16:56] <s10gopal> brainwash: oerheks tried to disable wifi before shutdow , but it didnt solve the problem'
[16:56] <brainwash> oerheks: my only guess would be that the system enters a different state, like suspend
[16:57] <Nice_Man> nice idea brainwash
[16:57] <Nice_Man> :]
[16:57] <s10gopal> brainwash: oerheks tried sudo poweroff too
[16:58] <Nice_Man> maybe problem with the hardware and not ubuntu
[16:58] <brainwash> Nice_Man: I think that AVs on linux are mainly used to scan windows files
[16:58] <Zombie> They are.
[16:58] <Nice_Man> i see brainwash
[16:59] <Zombie> ClamAV can detect some Linux Virii.
[16:59] <brainwash> does clamav even offer a realtime scanner?
[16:59] <Zombie> Yes.
[16:59] <brainwash> nice
[16:59] <s10gopal> a user in debian is also getting the same issue
[16:59] <oerheks> static antivirus patterns are useless these days, heuristic scanning on file and process changes is more usefull.
[16:59] <Zombie> but if you want to actually check for a compromoised system, you use rkhunter.
[17:00] <Nice_Man> maybe he should try run a live cd and then power off
[17:01] <Zombie> Some things that happen to Linux are like, motherboard ACPI issues.
[17:01] <Zombie> and people think they are virusees.
[17:02] <Zombie> Another thing.
[17:02] <Zombie> Linux incurs alot of "combat Damage" from automated bots scanning for public facing services
[17:03] <JonelethIrenicus> how can you see why a package was held back?
[17:04] <codingquark> s10gopal: since you insisted.
[17:04] <brainwash> JonelethIrenicus: even when running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[17:04] <s10gopal> oerheks: brainwash codingquark is also facing the same issue
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> brainwash: dont know haven't tried that, but I want to know what the issue is before moving forward
[17:05] <codingquark> This guy wants me to report a problem, but I'm using Debian. Not sure if you guys can help, but my issue is similar.
[17:05] <codingquark> I have http://support.hp.com/my-en/document/c04919819
[17:05] <brainwash> JonelethIrenicus: usually you can do apt-get install <package>, and see why it fails
[17:05] <JonelethIrenicus> brainwash: oh thanks
[17:05] <nacc> codingquark: which guy?
[17:06] <s10gopal> me
[17:06] <codingquark> HP AC179TX
[17:06] <s10gopal> nacc: me
[17:06] <codingquark> nacc: s10
[17:06] <codingquark> Oops, s10gopal
[17:06] <nacc> codingquark: sorry, i'm a bit confused, if you're on debian, you should report your bug to debian
[17:06] <s10gopal> codingquark: our laptop is same just gfx is diff but it have same gfx drivers
[17:07] <codingquark> nacc: of course! But s10gopal *really* wanted me to come here and say this.
[17:07] <brainwash> then contact HP
[17:07] <s10gopal> they dont support linux
[17:07] <nacc> s10gopal: codingquark: what is the issue again?
[17:07] <brainwash> maybe new firmware is available for your systems
[17:07] <s10gopal> nacc: battery drain when laptop is off (shutdown)
[17:07] <s10gopal> i am on latest bios
[17:08] <nacc> s10gopal: right, did you test with wol disabled?
[17:08] <Frjd> Everytime when I shutdown or reboot my 17.10 laptop it hangs during shutdown. Changing to another virtual terminal usually let's the system shutdown. Have anyone else experienced this and do you know of a fix?
[17:08] <s10gopal> nacc: yes
[17:08] <codingquark> In fact I've given up all hopes. I'm out people. Thanks for listening.
[17:08] <nacc> s10gopal: and you verifie dwol is actually off?
[17:08] <nacc> s10gopal: for your machine, the simplest solution maybe to just remove the battery
[17:08] <s10gopal> nacc: yes
[17:09] <s10gopal> nacc: but i cant do it daily and it drain 1% per hour
[17:10] <s10gopal> nacc: can you please help me in reporting it
[17:10] <brainwash> Frjd: google gives me quite some results when searching for that issue
[17:10] <Nice_Man> try to power off from live cd or usb so u will  rule out the  hardware side
[17:11] <s10gopal> Nice_Man: it dont happen when i install windows ,
[17:11] <Nice_Man> so maybe bug report or some googling for updates
[17:11] <s10gopal> Nice_Man: can you plz help me in reporting a bug?
[17:12] <Nice_Man> i dont know
[17:12] <Nice_Man> how yet :]
[17:12] <Frjd_> Saw that there's been a patch so nvm
[17:12] <ducasse> s10gopal: read the wiki page on reporting bugs first
[17:12] <Frjd_> I'll try and download it and see if it gets better
[17:12] <s10gopal> ducasse: read it
[17:13] <oerheks> ubuntu-bug acpi # and hit enter and follow instructions, how hard could that be?
[17:16] <s10gopal> oerheks: acpi package is not installed , still report it ?
[17:16] <doublehp> http://paste.debian.net/1007368/ does this mean an update of some package was done ? can I revert to old version of the package ?
[17:17] <oerheks> s10gopal, then no, it is not an acpi issue, though i would have guessed it was
[17:18] <s10gopal> oerheks: then what should i do ?
[17:18] <kostkon> !info acpi
[17:19] <oerheks> s10gopal, then i have no clue what package to file a bug against
[17:19] <oerheks> :-(
[17:19] <ducasse> oerheks: the kernel, i would think?
[17:19] <s10gopal> install acip ?
[17:19] <nacc> i woudl start with the kernel
[17:19] <nacc> and then it will get triaged around
[17:19] <s10gopal> what log should i post ?
[17:20] <nacc> s10gopal: `ubuntu-bug linux` and it will ldo the right thing on its own
[17:22] <Otiz> sd
[17:22] <s10gopal> nacc: plz give me more info , what should i post
[17:23] <oerheks> same line as you kept repeating for days? the bug tool collects the logs already
[17:26] <nacc> s10gopal: you don't need to 'post' anything
[17:26] <nacc> s10gopal: runt hat command
[17:26] <teward> s10gopal: you don't need to post anything.  Go into your computer, and run this command on the terminal: ubuntu-bug linux
[17:26] <teward> it'll ask you to describe the issues you're seeing
[17:26] <s10gopal> it ask for summary and desc too
[17:26] <teward> so describe the issue you're seeing yourself.
[17:26] <teward> the exact way you explained the issue here.
[17:26] <anonona> can Ubuntu 17.10 be installed without creating a swap partition?
[17:27] <oerheks> anonona, 17.10 uses swap-file now, standard
[17:27] <teward> anonona: yes, but you need to do a custom partition setup and specify what partition is what
[17:27] <ducasse> anonona: yes, it creates a swapfile
[17:27] <teward> ahh, didn't know about swapfile :)
[17:27] <teward> cool
[17:27] <anonona> teward: please elaborate.
[17:27] <oerheks> teward, only with a fresh install
[17:27] <s10gopal> any other files to upload ?
[17:28] <teward> oerheks: indeed.
[17:28] <teward> s10gopal: not that *you* have to upload, the bug filing tool will grab the other files it needs
[17:28] <teward> and then include that in the bug.
[17:29] <s10gopal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[17:30] <s10gopal> oerheks: nacc teward ducasse       https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[17:30] <oerheks> s10gopal, good, now wait
[17:30] <teward> s10gopal: now you wait for the issue to be seen, addressed, etc.
[17:31] <s10gopal> should i keep posting it in irc too ?
[17:31] <teward> s10gopal: if there are any additional requests for information they'll be specified in the bug and then you provide that information in the bug.  Patience will now be required.
[17:31] <teward> s10gopal: under no circumstances should you keep posting it here
[17:31] <teward> to do so generates noise
[17:31] <teward> and causes us all grief.
[17:31] <anonona> is ubuntu 17.10 stable enough for beginners?
[17:31] <s10gopal> once in 30 min ?
[17:31] <teward> at this point, you now sit on your hands and wait for the bug to get triaged and looked at.
[17:31] <teward> s10gopal: ^
[17:31] <teward> s10gopal: no.
[17:32] <teward> you just *sit back, relax, have a cup of tea, and don't even mention this issue here again.*  just wait for the relevant teams to look at the bugs and triage them.
[17:32] <nacc> anonona: beginners should probably use 16.04.3
[17:33] <anonona> nacc: ok
[17:33] <s10gopal> how i can learn linux ?
[17:33] <nacc> s10gopal: take classes onlinne, read documentation, etc.
[17:33] <nacc> s10gopal: not really an ubuntu support topic
[17:34] <anonona> when I try to connect my android smartphone to my laptop in ubuntu mate, through an usb cable, it disconnects often and makes it difficult to transfer files. What could be the problem?
[17:35] <anonona> is there any way I can navigate the files on my phone without using the usb cable?
[17:35] <oerheks> anonona, maybe the screenlock kicks in ?
[17:35] <oerheks> navigate, no, android is protected against that, IIRC
[17:36] <gbc> is this a good place to ask for help with the juju ceph charm? is there a juju or openstack-charmers channel somewhere?
[17:36] <nacc> gbc: probably #ubuntu-server
[17:36] <nacc> !alis | gbc: there is also probably a juju channel
[17:36] <oerheks> gbc, #juju and #openstack-charms
[17:36] <anonona> oerheks: even when the screen is on.
[17:37] <oerheks> anonona, no clue why that happens then ..
[17:37] <sud0x3> anonona: what do you mean navigate files on the phone, with an application on the phone or useing a seperate computer?
[17:37] <gbc> oerheks, thx
[17:38] <gbc> ubuttu ... thx
[17:38] <sud0x3> anonona: by navifate do you mean send input like keyboard and mouse? or literally navigate files and folders.
[17:39] <anonona> sud0x3: navigate the files on the phone using my laptop while it is connected to the phone.
[17:39] <sud0x3> anonona: you said without using USB so how is the phone connected to you machine?
[17:40] <anonona> sud0x3: can I do that using bluetooth?
[17:40] <anonona> any package in ubuntu to do that?
[17:40] <sud0x3> im not sure why cant you use the cable?
[17:42] <sud0x3> there are a few methods of access overusb that i know of, one should generally just be mounted as a flash drive would be. The other more common one nowaday is using mtp (media transfer protocol) and failing that you can use adb.
[17:42] <anonona> sud0x3: while using cable the phone disconnects often, I am not able to locate the reason for that. Both laptop and phone are new.
[17:43] <sdfsdf>    which app created this group i2psvc in passwd ?
[17:43] <sud0x3> anonona: what phone is it?
[17:44] <sud0x3> sdfsdf: i2p
[17:44] <anonona> sud0x3: an android phone. Panasonic.
[17:45] <sdfsdf> sud i didn't have that
[17:45] <sud0x3> anonona: model so i can check the way they provide storage over usb
[17:45] <sud0x3> sdfsdf: im not certain but when i saw it i thought i2p service
[17:45] <sdfsdf> how to i check if i got i2p installed ? what's its name in command line
[17:45] <anonona> sud0x3: panasonic eluga ray x
[17:46] <anonona> I am using ubuntu mate 16.04.3
[17:47] <s10gopal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646 plz help me
[17:48] <sud0x3> anonona: Yeah i think its using mtp, you want to look for "mount mtp device"
[17:48] <troubled> Greetings! Anyone have any luck uploading any of the Ubuntu "iso" files to Dell iDRAC vFLASH? Nothing made by Ubuntu seems to be accepted as a valid image
[17:48] <anonona> sud0x3: ok.
[17:48] <oerheks> s10gopal, stop repeating, thanks.
[17:48] <ducasse> s10gopal: please stop asking that here and wait for a response to the bug report
[17:48] <troubled> My assumption is that Canonical makes incompatible iso's, but doesn't care to fix them?
[17:49] <sud0x3> last time i played with mtp was not on ubuntu so i cant be of much help there
[17:49] <sud0x3> anonona: ^
[17:49] <anonona> sud0x3: ok
[17:50] <sud0x3> anyone use mtp to mount thier phones? could help anonona
[17:50] <troubled> Anyway, whenever I try I get "RAC0237: An error occurred while uploading the vFlash image." and "RAC0236: Invalid image: Upload failed"
[17:51] <beaver> hello, where I can find the present value of vblank_mode ?
[17:52] <troubled> and aparently i'm the only person on the planet with dell vflash that uses non windows iso's :p
[18:05] <BluesKaj> not just troubled, but lonely
[18:05] <troubled> BluesKaj: I'm sorry, was that an attempt at an answer?
[18:06] <troubled> gt8ost4l: no pm please
[18:06] <gt8ost4l> troubled oh sorry
[18:06] <BluesKaj> nope, merely a comment
[18:07] <troubled> gt8ost4l: the problem is idrac doesn't like any iso's except MS image or FreeBSD memstick. it thinks iso/img files are not correct and rejects the upload
[18:07] <ephemer> hello good people. currently having some issues with nvidia / vlc / vdpau. more precisely, when i'm playing a movie (mkv) and skipping through it, vlc freezes. EACH TIME! i'm currently in 16.04.3 & nvidia-390. do you guys suggest anything i could try ?
[18:07] <doublehp> is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ broken ATM ? when I try to reach https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtasn1-6/+filebug/4ffd812c-02c3-11e8-9dd0-d485646cd9a4? after auth, I am said " Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. (Error ID: OOPS-f4e90e393c993b8fbe9f8c763fdf35f0) "
[18:07] <ephemer> inb4, disabling hw decoding from vlc has no effect
[18:08] <gt8ost4l> troubled last time i checked freedsb is commandline
[18:09] <troubled> gt8ost4l: do you know what a Dell iDRAC is?
[18:10] <gt8ost4l> troubled its hard talking here pm me
[18:10] <ikonia> why is it hard talking here
[18:10] <ikonia> if you chat in open people can contribute and keep you safe
[18:10] <troubled> ^^^
[18:11] <gt8ost4l> its cluttered people coming in and out
[18:11] <ikonia> you can remove joins / parts from the screen
[18:11] <gt8ost4l> i have a hard time to think
[18:11] <troubled> anyway, anyone that actually knows what a iDRAC and vFlash are, have any insight?
[18:12] <ikonia> troubled: I use the IDrac from dell
[18:13] <troubled> ikonia: do you have vFlash? and have you had any luck uploading isos to it? I've never been able to get most os's other than MS or memsticks to upload
[18:13] <gt8ost4l> troubled:what was the default os installed?
[18:13] <funabashi> hey guyys how can i monitor every command a user on my server type?
[18:13] <ikonia> troubled: I have used it, you may want to use the ##hardware channel, as it's a bit out of scope for #ubuntu
[18:13] <ikonia> funabashi: shell history files
[18:14] <funabashi> ok if he do history -c ?
[18:14] <ikonia> funabashi: ?
[18:14] <troubled> ikonia: to put it more into scope: do you have any idea if there are "memstick" or "usb" compatible images to install from?
[18:14] <ikonia> troubled: as in ubuntu images ?
[18:15] <troubled> ikonia: yes. i've had success with such images, so I suspect the vflash upload is checking the file type and being too strict. but hoping to avoid remastering the iso
[18:15] <troubled> (an entire day better spent installing os heh)
[18:16] <ikonia> troubled: so I've used older ubuntu images on it I've not tried with current 17 and maybe 16 images, but earlier ones worked just fine
[18:16] <doublehp> how do I login in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/ ?
[18:16] <ikonia> doublehp: you don't
[18:16] <ikonia> doublehp: launchpad.net is a website, that is just a repo
[18:16] <doublehp> ikonia: I am asked to loging to interact with my bugreport https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtasn1-6/+filebug/4ffd812c-02c3-11e8-9dd0-d485646cd9a4?
[18:17] <troubled> ikonia: meh, probably easier to just use virtual cd and mount the image, but man what pita. almost bug report worthy, but tbh, it sounds like its really dell being anal wrt file mime detection
[18:17] <ikonia> doublehp: so you need a launchpad account
[18:17] <doublehp> ikonia: so how do I login ?
[18:17] <ikonia> troubled: I've not seen that problem, it's worked fine for me
[18:17] <ikonia> doublehp: you need a laundhpad account that you can register for on launchpad.net
[18:18] <troubled> ikonia: you actually uploaded an iso to it? or just booted virtual media you had locally attached? cause that works fine for me
[18:18] <ikonia> troubled: the earlier versions, uploaded
[18:18] <doublehp> ikonia: I have creted two accounts, and always get "           Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.                             We’ve recorded what happened,           and we’ll fix it as soon as possible.           Apologies for the inconvenience.                             (Error ID:           OOPS-c91273204ab279aef4c6ef62ea214d86)         "
[18:18] <doublehp> on both
[18:18] <ikonia> doublehp: just logged in fine
[18:19] <troubled> ikonia: well thanks for the insight
[18:19] <doublehp> ikonia: how ?
[18:19] <ikonia> doublehp: I typed in my username and password into the login box
[18:19] <doublehp> ikonia: can I interact with my bugreport without logging in ?
[18:20] <ikonia> doublehp: you can't
[18:21] <doublehp> ikonia: I have tried two accounts, on Firefox using IPv6 and Chrome using IPv4 ... this bug report is critical
[18:21] <doublehp> there is a critical bug in a security update; the security update must be patched ASAP
[18:21] <doublehp> and it's automatically installed
[18:22] <ikonia> I've just created a new account, and that worked too
[18:22] <ikonia> I guess I have to figure out how to delete that account as it's a wate
[18:22] <ikonia> waste
[18:22] <sadako> I keep getting an error like [some source] "does not have a release file".  I even get it when doing do-release-upgrade
[18:23] <doublehp> ikonia: wait, can you give me access to your account ?
[18:23] <ikonia> doublehp: no
[18:23] <doublehp> ikonia: can you update the bug report for me ?
[18:23] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know whats in the mozilla folder?
[18:24] <ikonia> doublehp: sorry, no
[18:24] <ikonia> doublehp: see if you can login via https://community.ubuntu.com/
[18:25] <doublehp> so, a security update automatically installed, is going to break thouthands of machines, bugs prevent me from reporting it, and, that's it ?
[18:25] <ikonia> whats it ?
[18:25] <doublehp> I had not tried Ubuntu since 11 years, I think I need to return to Debian ...
[18:25] <ikonia> ok
[18:26] <ephemer> hey, guyz, where does 16.04 stores its Xorg.conf file ?
[18:26] <ephemer> by default
[18:26] <ikonia> ephemer: doesn't create one by default
[18:26] <ephemer> hmmm
[18:26] <ikonia> ephemer: it's dynamic now, you can create one if you want
[18:26] <ephemer> when .. where does nvidia setting saves the config ?
[18:26] <ikonia> ephemer: where you tell it to, but the default is the xorg config file
[18:27] <ephemer> which is .. where? :P
[18:27] <ikonia> ephemer: you create it
[18:27] <ephemer> ah
[18:27] <ephemer> :P
[18:27] <oerheks> sadako, are you on zesty 17.04?
[18:28] <doublehp> ikonia: yes, I was able to login the community site, but, still have the problem in launchpad
[18:28] <ikonia> doublehp: if you've logged in via the communicty site, the session in that browser will allow you to use launchpad
[18:28] <ikonia> doublehp: it's the same SSO
[18:29] <sadako> Yes, oerheks
[18:29] <oerheks> sadako, ah, then upgrade, 17.04 is dead, EOL
[18:29] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[18:29] <sadako> Er I'm trying to upgrade. is sudo do-release-upgrade not correct?
[18:30] <doublehp> ikonia: no, and no, and I can proove it. While registering in the community, I have updated my "full name" from "Demaine" into "Demaine Benoit"; and when I am asked to share my full name, launchpad is still using "demaine"
[18:30] <oerheks> sadako, yes, after you install update-manager-core update-manager ..
[18:30] <ikonia> doublehp: if it's showing your name in launchpad - you are logged in
[18:30] <ikonia> it can only show your name after the login
[18:31] <sadako> I also tried using the software updator, but it fails to reach the server or something
[18:32] <sadako> hm okay
[18:32] <oerheks> sadako, follow the eolupgrade wiki, old-release etc
[18:33] <doublehp> ikonia: I start again. I have auth correctly into the community. When I try to go on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtasn1-6/+filebug/4ffd812c-02c3-11e8-9dd0-d485646cd9a4? , the first page I see (after some automatic redirection to https://login.launchpad.net/FooBar/+decide ) asks me if I accept to share some personnal data "full name" and "email adress" ; I click on "yes log me in", and then, I got the error.
[18:33] <sadako> Yeah I'll do that.
[18:34] <doublehp> on that  https://login.launchpad.net/FooBar/+decide page the top right bar says "Demaine My Account | Lgout" , so, yes i am logged in Ubuntu1, but, sharing personnal details bug, and prevent me reaching my bug report
[18:34] <ikonia> doublehp: can you login from "login.ubuntu.com"
[18:34] <irated> ON ubuntu 17.10 I can't switch audio outs. It keeps switching back to built-in
[18:34] <irated> Is there away to manually switch this via cli?
[18:35] <irated> Or see why its switching back
[18:35] <oerheks> doublehp, if you marked it as security, i guess it is normal.
[18:35] <doublehp> ikonia: when i visit your link, it immediately says I am in
[18:35] <ikonia> doublehp: intersting
[18:35] <doublehp> oerheks: I did not mark anything yet; I have just run ubuntu-bug, and press S ...
[18:35] <oerheks> ikonia, or should one see his own security bug reports?
[18:36] <ikonia> oerheks: you should be able to see your own comments/bugs
[18:36] <ikonia> doublehp: looks like you may need to engage canonical support for launchpad
[18:36] <doublehp> which is ? where ?
[18:37] <akik> irated: you can switch outputs with pacmd, e.g. pacmd set-card-profile 0
[18:37] <akik> irated: pacmd set-card-profile 0 output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo
[18:37] <ikonia> doublehp: try #launchpad channel for starters
[18:38] <akik> irated: you can get the different outputs with: pacmd list-cards (look for profiles)
[18:38] <doublehp> ubuntu is still as bad as I was said 12y ago
[18:38] <BillD73> how long does it normally take to get a PGP key made available to launchpad?
[18:38] <ikonia> doublehp: you already said that
[18:40] <doublehp> now, how do I disable automatic security updates ? they seem to be in cron.daily, but I don't understand if it's done by apt, aptitude or dpkg
[18:40] <BillD73> irated: when I built my ubuntu tower I disabled the onboard audio in the gigabyte bios
[18:40] <ikonia> doublehp: disable the repo ?
[18:40] <ikonia> doublehp: pin the package you're worried about ?
[18:41] <doublehp> no; i don't want any further breakage; so, I want to disable them completely, forever
[18:41] <ikonia> doublehp: so diable the repo then
[18:41] <BillD73> or better question how do I verify my key is registered with the ubuntu keyring server?
[18:41] <doublehp> even if I pin the package of the day, tomorow, an other package may break my system again
[18:41] <ikonia> disable the repo then
[18:43] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates edit  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic and change to 0: APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "0";
[18:47] <cpined> hello, I have a weird SSH issue.  I have port 22 and 443 open on my router.  Both ports are listening on Ubuntu, I am able to ssh to both ports using my public ip address from inside my home network.  I can only access port 22 from outside my network.  Does SSH 443 require more settings?
[18:48] <ikonia> you don't ssh to port 443
[18:48] <ikonia> thats for SSL on a web server
[18:49] <cpined> @ikonia, somehow I was able to get that working on cygwin so I thought I should also work on Ubuntu.
[18:49] <ikonia> ssh won't listen on 443 unless you configure it to
[18:49] <jimb_> You can alter the /etc/ssh/sshd_config to run on ports other than 22. Your ISP may be blocking 443 from outside traffic though as they may not want people running web servers
[18:50] <cpined> @jimb, ok I'll give it a shot.
[18:51] <xdb> boze debilskog servera
[18:52] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[18:52] <ikonia> and ?
[18:53] <res22> hey, i have upgrade ubuntu from 16.10 to 17.10 but in my terminal stay "root@Ubuntu-1610-yakkety-64-minimal:"
[18:53] <ikonia> res22: uname -n
[18:54] <res22> uname -a Linux Ubuntu-1610-yakkety-64-minimal 4.13.0-32-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 25 09:13:46 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:54] <ikonia> there you go
[18:54] <ikonia> that's your hostname
[18:54] <root> hi
[18:54] <res22> but lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 17.10 Release:        17.10 Codename:       artful
[18:54] <ikonia> res22: yes ?
[18:55] <oerheks> res22, what gives: hostnamectl status
[18:55] <ikonia> PS1 is your hostname
[18:55] <ikonia> your hostname is what you are seeing, the prompt is correct
[18:56] <Guest44165> where are you from
[18:56] <res22> hostnamectl status    Static hostname: Ubuntu-1610-yakkety-64-minimal          Icon name: computer-vm            Chassis: vm         Machine ID: xxx            Boot ID: xxx     Virtualization: kvm   Operating System: Ubuntu 17.10             Kernel: Linux 4.13.0-32-generic       Architecture: x86-64
[18:56] <Guest44165> where are you from
[18:57] <res22> me?
[18:57] <oerheks> Guest44165, this is international ubuntu support :-)
[18:57] <Guest44165> everyone
[18:57] <jimb_> I was assembled in various cities over the course of months.
[18:58] <oerheks> res22,  if you want to change that, follow !hostname
[18:58] <oerheks> !hostname
[18:58] <res22> i will try thanks
[19:04] <res22> i have changes with "sudo hostname your-new-name" to "@Ubuntu-1710-artful-64" it works, thanks
[19:08] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[19:09] <tomreyn> s10gopal: repeatedly posting this here serves no purpose. please stop.
[19:12] <sadako> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9076736 after following the instructions on the EOLUpgrade wiki page
[19:14] <res22> ubottu: in /etc/hosts i have changed too, thanks
[19:15] <oerheks> sadako, how does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like?
[19:16] <tomreyn> sadako: i wont be able to help since i must leave now, but i suggest you make the output of "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-cache policy; lsb_release -ds" available here via !pastebin
[19:17] <tomreyn> !paste | sadako
[19:18] <sadako> eh hang on let me get on irc on that computer
[19:20] <texla> I have two versions of Ubuntu...14.04 on sda4 and 16.04 on sda1...14.04 has the controlling grub bootloader...As I wish to delete 14.04 how do I get 16.04 to be the controlling boot loader
[19:20] <sadtaco-remote> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26466099/
[19:21] <sadtaco-remote> That is my sources.list
[19:22] <res22> mh after a reboot i get the old hostname
[19:25] <xpoliceman> bonsoir,j'ai un souci mon serveur apache2 sur ubuntu n'arrive pas à afficher les images comment dois je faire?merci pour votre comprehension
[19:25] <doublehp> ikonia: from #launchpad : (20:23:27) cjwatson: doublehp: fixed now, sorry about that.  you ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1607242 due to an old comment from your email address that we imported from another bug tracker.
[19:25] <akik> !fr
[19:26] <doublehp> xpoliceman: essaye #ubuntu-fr , sinon, il y a des webforums en français
[19:27] <yeats> res22: do 'cat /etc/hosts' and 'cat /etc/hostname', remove anything from the results that you don't want the world to see, then paste both here and share the link: https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:27] <usuario4> facebook
[19:28] <res22> yeats: i forgot the /etc/hostname now it works, thanks
[19:29] <sadtaco-remote> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26466150/ output of "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-cache policy; lsb_release -ds"
[19:29] <eks> Hi community, I am traying to install or at least to desinstall completle webhttrack please see image belo and let me know how to work on this please.. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s5L3ZYO3CLJP5W5dUI3exxWIPGJ77D1W/view?usp=sharing
[19:29] <sadtaco-remote> Trying to upgrade to 17.10 but getting errors and unable to
[19:30] <ioria> sadtaco-remote, maybe if you change CODNAME with your release name , might work
[19:32] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646   plz help me
[19:33] <doublehp> ikonia: they fixed my auth bug; I completed my report; and disabled /etc/cron.d/armbian-updates . All good for me; thanks, and bye
[19:33] <sadako> Oh
[19:33] <sadako> woops lol
[19:33] <sadako> so to Artful, or Artful Ardvark?
[19:34] <ioria> zesty is in old-release, not artful ('cause it's not eol)
[19:34] <s10gopal> ioria: plz help me
[19:34] <ioria> s10gopal, you're dual booting ?
[19:34] <s10gopal> no
[19:35] <sadako> I'm on zesty now. I'm trying to upgrade
[19:35] <ioria> s10gopal, you said that it's not happening with windows ...
[19:35] <texla>  I have two versions of Ubuntu...14.04 on sda4 and 16.04 on sda1...14.04 has the controlling grub bootloader...As I wish to delete 14.04 how do I get 16.04 to be the controlling boot loader
[19:36] <s10gopal> yes when i install windows
[19:37] <ioria> s10gopal, fastboot enabled ?
[19:37] <s10gopal> yes
[19:37] <s10gopal> ufei
[19:37] <ioria> s10gopal, try to disable it
[19:38] <s10gopal> tried both
[19:38] <s10gopal> legacy and efei
[19:38] <ioria> s10gopal,  disable  fastboot
[19:39] <s10gopal> tried but didnt worked
[19:39] <ioria> s10gopal,  try again and leave the pc off for almost, let's say 3 hours
[19:40] <kostkon> s10gopal, you didn't manage to disable fastboot or you did, but made no difference?
[19:42] <gopal> ikonia: even with fast boot enabled it takes 2.12sec to boot
[19:42] <akik> does disabling windows fastboot have some effect on the hardware/linux side?
[19:42] <pal_> nick pally
[19:44] <gopal> akik: u disable fast boot in bios right?
[19:45] <akik> gopal: oh in bios? i thought they meant the option in win10
[19:45] <sadtaco-remote> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26466250/  Set to "artful", I still get similar errors
[19:45] <ioria> gopal, i said 3 hours
[19:45] <gopal> akik: there is option in bios to disable
[19:46] <gopal> ioria: i am tying from 5 days
[19:46] <akik> gopal: what does it say?
[19:46] <doux> Hi, Virtualbox kept crashing (4.13.0-31 kernel). I tried removing it and the re-installing it but now when I try to use some of the commands like modprobe -a vboxdrv, it tels me that: Module vboxdrv not found...
[19:46] <ioria> gopal, you don't get me, leaver the pc off for 3 hours
[19:46] <gopal> akik: fastboot <disable/enable>
[19:46] <gopal> ioria: did it for a night
[19:46] <user12345678> Hey - Ubuntu 17.10 overriade some bios setting - i google it on the net ?
[19:47] <user12345678> This is true ?
[19:47] <ioria> gopal, do it again with fatsboot disabled, this time
[19:47] <gopal> ioria: i did it
[19:47] <ioria> gopal, do it again , trust me
[19:48] <krytarik> !intel-spi | user12345678
[19:48] <gopal> ioria: i did disable fast boot , installed linux in legacy mode , installed windows and tested my battery , removed my battery for a night too
[19:48] <ioria> gopal, good
[19:49] <gopal> ioria: turned my laptop off then removed battery then again pluged it and there was no battery drain that time
[19:51] <gopal> ioria: plz help me
[19:51] <user12345678> ubottu - it's rather a malware
[19:53] <gopal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[19:53] <user12345678> ubottu - I am only a bot, but I'm intelligent
[19:53] <user12345678> krytarik
[19:54] <krytarik> user12345678: Then you didn't read properly.
[19:54] <gopal> ubottu:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[19:54] <user12345678> it's rather a malware
[19:54] <krytarik> gopal: Why do you keep pasting this?
[19:55] <gopal> i was testing ubottu this time
[19:55] <sadtaco-remote> when I  try to run software updater I get "Failed to download repository information / please check your internet connection"
[19:55] <user12345678> it's can be the same situation, as in cups drive and linux kernel server infrastructure was infected
[19:55] <yeats> gopal: /msg ubottu and you can test without channel noise
[19:55] <SimonNL> gopal: this afternoon you have been asked to wait for response on your bug report
[19:56] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, sudo apt-get update   in the terminal and pastebin it
[19:56] <texla>  I have two versions of Ubuntu...14.04 on sda4 and 16.04 on sda1...14.04 has the controlling grub bootloader...As I wish to delete 14.04 how do I get 16.04 to be the controlling boot loader I have two versions of Ubuntu...14.04 on sda4 and 16.04 on sda1...14.04 has the controlling grub bootloader...As I wish to delete 14.04 how do I get 16.04 to be the controlling boot loader
[19:56] <sadtaco-remote> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26466250/
[19:58] <jil> hello
[19:58] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, artful aka 17.10 is still supported so why did you altered your sources.list to point to old-releases?
[19:58] <sadtaco-remote> I keep getting this "does not have a Release file." error for all sources
[19:58] <sadtaco-remote> I thought that's what EOLUpgrade said to do
[19:58] <sadtaco-remote> i guess I'm supposed to put what I'm currently on there
[19:58] <ioria> zesty is in old-release, not artful ('cause it's not eol) ì
[19:59] <gopal> texla: i am not expert but i did this format sda4 use live to repair grub
[19:59] <jil> who use fish and find it better that bash ?
[19:59] <sadtaco-remote> I'm on zesty and trying to update to artful
[19:59] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, are you currently on 17.04 or 17.10?
[19:59] <ioria> sadtaco-remote, so ? codname is zesty not artful
[19:59] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, then change the codename from artful to zesty
[19:59] <sadtaco-remote> 17.04
[19:59] <user12345678> by http://www.firstpost.com/business/security-breach-hits-linux-foundation-sites-down-for-maintenance-1884869.html
[20:00] <krytarik> texla: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2
[20:00] <user12345678> it was discovered on September 8, 2011. The Linux Foundation
[20:00] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, also how many times have you c/ped the lines from the wiki page. Your apt-get update output seems a bit too long
[20:01] <sadtaco-remote> I don't get what you mean
[20:01] <ioria> sadtaco-remote, and i suggest you to remove/disable 3rd party repos
[20:01] <sadtaco-remote> There's 4 source lines from the eolupdate wiki
[20:01] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, forget about it then
[20:01] <sadtaco-remote> I copied sources.list from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:03] <texla> krytarik, Thanks will try that info
[20:03] <sadako> I think it's working now...
[20:05] <mustmodify> Is it dirty to copy entries from one server's /etc/passwd file to another to prevent people from having to each login to create their own account?
[20:05] <mustmodify> and shadow I guess.
[20:06] <leftyfb> mustmodify: you'll definitely need shadow
[20:07] <gopal> leftyfb: plz help me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[20:07] <mustmodify> I see group numbers and user numbers... so I assume I need to go into the group file and create those as well.
[20:07] <leftyfb> gopal: if the battery is draining when the laptop is off, that is 100% no the fault of Ubuntu or any other OS on the laptop
[20:08] <leftyfb> gopal: contact HP
[20:08] <gopal> leftyfb: but battery dont drain when i use windows
[20:08] <leftyfb> incorrect
[20:08] <gopal> leftyfb: and it dont drain when i remove it
[20:08] <leftyfb> gopal: if the laptop is off, there is no OS running
[20:08] <gopal> TJ-: plz see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[20:09] <yeats> gopal: nobody in this channel is going to be able to fix a kernel bug on the spot :-/
[20:09] <ioria> it's difficult draining the battery, if the battery is removed ... agree
[20:09] <leftyfb> gopal: here's a test. Remove your hard drive.
[20:10] <gopal> laptop
[20:10] <leftyfb> gopal: you should still be able to remove the hard drive
[20:10] <tomreyn> gopal: it's not acceptable to keep highlighting random people (and bots) here in an attempt to get assistence with your issue. please stop.
[20:10] <tomreyn> (2nd warning)
[20:11] <gopal> i tried shut down ubuntu , removed battery then put it again and there was no drain
[20:11] <TJ-> gopal: can you attach full logs to the report? "apport-collect 1745646"
[20:11] <leftyfb> gopal: regardless, there is no reason why Ubuntu would be the cause of the battery draining when the laptop is OFF. Ubuntu is not running, therefore is cannot do or cause anything.
[20:11] <gopal> TJ-: how?
[20:11] <TJ-> gopal: use the command I've just given you
[20:12] <TJ-> gopal: These battery issues are due to system firmware ACPI problems; we may be able to workaround them. I already see some signs of ACPI errors in the journal log you attached to the bug report
[20:12] <gopal> :)
[20:14] <gopal> TJ-: it says restart your system or close firefox
[20:15] <TJ-> gopal: apport needs access to the browser to get you to log-in to Launchpad so it can attach the logs
[20:15] <leftyfb> TJ-: can you explain to me how Ubuntu can cause a battery to drain when it isn't running?
[20:17] <gopal_> TJ-: Package linux-hwe not installed and no hook available, ignoring Gtk-Message: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged.
[20:17] <TJ-> leftyfb: it isn't 'Ubuntu' it's the system firmware (ACPI) not shutting down platform devices correctly, and being tailored to Windows drivers so Linux doesn't know about it or how to manage it
[20:17] <gopal_> TJ-: and a dialog said no info collected
[20:18] <TJ-> gopal_: try again; I re-assigned the bug to "linux"
[20:18] <leftyfb> TJ-: boy, that's just .....
[20:19] <TJ-> leftyfb: ... pretty common :D
[20:19] <gopal_> TJ-: done
[20:20] <TJ-> gopal_: originally, didn't we reconfigure that system to use apci_osi= ?
[20:20] <gopal_> TJ-: other hp linux user was getting same problem he was using debian
[20:20] <mustmodify> So... I had a script to set up a new machine. I think the timezone part of it is wrong.
[20:20] <gopal_> TJ-: yes
[20:20] <gopal_> TJ-: it is fresh install
[20:20] <TJ-> gopal_: and what did it 'kill' that meant you had to remove it?
[20:21] <TJ-> gopal_: I seem to recall you had some device not work correctly
[20:21] <mustmodify> The machine should be in America/New_York time. But this isn't doing what I expect: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/40611a252f8bfbf9ab47#file-gistfile1-txt-L3-L4
[20:21] <mustmodify> it ends up saying I'm still in UTC time.
[20:21] <mustmodify> Any thoughts?
[20:21] <gopal_> TJ-: but even driver didnt solved the problems so i reinstalled ubuntu
[20:21] <grubquestion> I have a question about eding /etc/default/grub to boot to a previous kernel
[20:21] <gopal_> TJ-: and tried ubuntu 17.10
[20:22] <gopal_> TJ-: i get black screen before boot
[20:23] <tomreyn> mustmodify: sudo timedatectl set-timezone America/New_York
[20:23] <grubquestion> I use lubuntu 14.  If I edit, /etc/default/grub, <GRUB_DEFAULT=0> do I need to account for the bios as a number?
[20:24] <tomreyn> mustmodify: try this, too (although i also would have expected your approach to work)
[20:25] <mustmodify> it's weird. I expect it to work, too.
[20:25] <grubquestion> please pm me if anybody knows about that stuff :D
[20:25] <mustmodify> I'm setting up a machine for my clients to use for a while. So if something's wacky about it I would like to know soon. :)
[20:26] <mustmodify> tzselect tells me to put this in my .profile... but that won't work when non-interactive users are running webservers.
[20:28] <tomreyn> mustmodify: why do you run dpkg-reconfigure through sudo when you run the entire thing as root already?
[20:29] <mustmodify> I'm in root.
[20:29] <mustmodify> No reason I guess.
[20:29] <tomreyn> mustmodify: is the change to /etc/timezone actualyl writtne to disk?
[20:30] <mustmodify> Yes.
[20:30] <mustmodify> that's what was weird.
[20:30] <mustmodify> It took that. Even when I rebooted, it was still there, but would show the timezone in UTC
[20:30] <mustmodify> but then the new command worked.
[20:31] <mustmodify> So there's something different about how this OS works than when I originally wrote this. But... even though I would like to understand, it's not worth the time.
[20:31] <mustmodify> :(
[20:32] <tomreyn> it'll be something systemd'ish
[20:32] <mustmodify> (unless it turns out time on this machine is Fd up... then it's totally worth the ... time.... AHHHH
[20:33] <mustmodify> weird, my instructions say to add to /etc/ntp.conf... why would you not just take the default?
[20:33] <mustmodify> Seems pretty thorough...
[20:34] <TJ-> gopal_: I'd like you to dump, compress, and attach the ACPI tables to the bug report (attach manually via the web-browser). Commands: "mkdir -p /tmp/acpi; cd /tmp/acpi; sudo apt install acpica-tools; sudo acpidump-acpica -b; tar -cf ../acpi_tables.tar.gz *; cd ..; ls acpi*"
[20:34] <RFGBotnetCaC> hello
[20:35] <RFGBotnetCaC> hello
[20:35] <john1987> hello guys
[20:35] <gopal_> TJ-: ok
[20:35] <john1987> need some guidance on implementing DAC
[20:36] <john1987> do I need ACLs  of i cna manage without?
[20:36] <gopal_> TJ-: how to upload?
[20:37] <TJ-> gopal_: visit the bug report with the web-browser, log-in to Launchpad, then use the '+ Add attachment or patch" link at bottom-left of the page
[20:37] <gopal_> TJ-: update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/acpixtract-acpica to provide /usr/bin/acpixtract (acpixtract) in auto mode update-alternatives: warning: skip creation of /usr/share/man/man1/acpixtract.1.gz because associated file /usr/share/man/man1/acpixtract-acpica.1 (of link group acpixtract) doesn't exist update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/acpidump-acpica to provide /usr/bin/acpidump (acpidump) in auto mode update-alternatives: warning
[20:37] <gopal_> TJ-: i am unable to find the file
[20:38] <TJ-> gopal_: did you copy/paste the commands I gave? it should be create in /tmp/ as acpi_tables.tar.gz
[20:38] <gopal_> yes
[20:39] <gluon> i agree with the new decision to have xorg as the default in 18.04 lts
[20:39] <TJ-> gopal_: try the command again, but delete the "sudo apt install acpica-tools;"
[20:39] <ioria> gluon, really ?
[20:40] <gopal_> TJ-: done
[20:40] <gluon> although i use wayland in 17.10 mostly without problems, it's really annoying that a shell crash brings you to the login screen
[20:40] <gluon> you lose your session basically, whereas under xorg, you keep it, even when mutter crashes
[20:40] <gluon> ioria: yes: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default/
[20:40] <Guest31829> ubuntu is the best
[20:41] <ioria> gluon, both ...
[20:41] <gluon> wayland is just shy of being production ready imho
[20:41] <mustmodify> ok, again, just checking for best practices... make sure I'm doing the right stuff. Software like db, webserver, redis... belongs in /etc/... right?
[20:41] <mustmodify> I've seen it in /opt
[20:41] <ioria> gluon, agree
[20:41] <gluon> or in this case, the way gnome shell handles crashes under using wayland
[20:42] <gluon> plus other minor annoyances like screen capturing freezing some machines
[20:42] <gluon> under wayland
[20:42] <gluon> wayland will still be there, just as the alternative session this time
[20:42] <gluon> not the default one
[20:42] <sadako> Also I have a question.  Is Ubuntu 16 to 18 supposed to be pretty painless or does that tend to be an ordeal?
[20:43] <oerheks> sadako, wait and see
[20:44] <sadako> heh
[20:44] <TJ-> gopal_: got it, thanks. It'll take some time to disassemble and analyse; I'll post updates to the bug report if I find anything significant over the next few days.
[20:44] <mustmodify> @oerheks You inspire genuine confidence.
[20:45] <TJ-> gopal_: For now I suggest you try re-applying the acpi_osi= workaround to determine if it helps or if we need to do more in-kernel on this issue
[20:45] <TJ-> gopal_: see http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:45] <gopal_> TJ-: you know about bios ?
[20:45] <gopal_> TJ-: i dont have windows
[20:46] <TJ-> gopal_: so?
[20:46] <ioria> gopal_, it's not about win, it'a about your fw
[20:46] <gopal_> TJ-: when i press f10 + a i get adv menu and i am unable to understand them
[20:46] <TJ-> gopal_: You've lost me now ... press F10 why? when?
[20:47] <gopal_> TJ-: i was doing it to disable dedicated gfx and wol in bios
[20:47] <gopal_> TJ-: i have to copy paste those commands
[20:47] <gopal_> ?
[20:48] <TJ-> gopal_: OK, but I've not asked you to do that. Read the linked page I gave you and apply the acpi_osi= workaround, then test it
[20:48] <gopal_> TJ-: ok
[20:53] <gopal_> TJ-: done now restarting
[20:55] <Guest31829> what to do if life sux?
[20:55] <nacc> Guest31829: offtopic for this channel, unfortunately. This channel is for Ubuntu support.
[20:56] <Guest31829> i am using ubuntu and i need support
[20:56] <gopal_> Guest31829: join #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:56] <Guest31829> my life is shit
[20:56] <Guest31829> ok
[20:56] <gopal_> Guest31829: post your problem
[20:56] <Guest31829> have eye problems when using a computer screen
[20:57] <Guest31829> what are my alternatives?
[20:57] <Guest31829> are there any screens with no backlight?
[20:57] <nacc> Guest31829: you may want a different channel about hardware
[20:57] <gopal_> Guest31829: then visit doctor , you can lower it
[20:57] <Guest31829> there is no cure for my condition
[20:58] <Guest31829> i love ubuntu and computers in general just the fucking monitors cause me medical problems
[20:58] <nacc> Guest31829: please watch the language. It sounds like your issue is outside the scope of this channel, unfortunately
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: so... my father in law's vision is awful, but what helps a lot in his setup is high contrast themes
[20:59] <Guest31829> yes sorry
[20:59] <genii> Guest31829: Please watch the profanity, we try to keep this channel family-friendly
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: he uses a black background with yellow text and that works very well
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: He's doing so in Mate
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: large font sizes can help as well
[20:59] <dinoshark> hi
[20:59] <sud0x3> Guest31829: Could you try using a filter either in software or phsically?
[20:59] <Guest31829> how can do this yellow black theme on ubuntu?
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: for applications like Firefox,  Dark Mode and Dark Background with Light Text extensions can force this combination as well
[21:00] <dinoshark> ???????????????????????????????????????????????//
[21:00] <nemo> Guest31829: ubuntu is pretty broad - would have to know what desktop you are using
[21:00] <bumbumboop> hey anyone have any idea how to setup a cron job?
[21:00] <nacc> dinoshark: please don't do that.
[21:00] <dinoshark> imiunbuntumateon raspberry pi
[21:00] <Guest31829> i have the standart 16.04 LTS
[21:00] <bumbumboop> I can't get an SH script to run via a cronjob and I have no clue why
[21:00] <nacc> bumbumboop: is it executable?
[21:00] <mustmodify> does /etc/profile.d use systemv?
[21:00] <mustmodify> or systemd?
[21:00] <nemo> Guest31829: one nice thing about gkt2 and gtk3 apps is they tend to support theming very well - unlike on windows where I had to disable the theming because it broke too many apps
[21:00] <mustmodify> or whatever it's called?
[21:00] <nacc> mustmodify: neither?
[21:00] <mustmodify> Or is the .d suffix coincidental?
[21:01] <bumbumboop> nacc, yea i can execute it via the terminal and I did a chmod+x on it
[21:01] <mustmodify> ok great.
[21:01] <bumbumboop> should I do a chmod 777?
[21:01] <gopal> TJ-: my boot time decreased
[21:01] <gopal> :)
[21:01] <nemo> Guest31829: I'm not sure what the default desktop is in 16.04 - possibly unity.  You could install another... unfortunately my personal familiarity with theming is limited to Mate
[21:01] <nacc> mustmodify: .d has nothing to do with sysv or systemd
[21:01] <mustmodify> good, thanks.
[21:01] <nacc> mustmodify: it could be anything, it doesn't really mean anything
[21:01] <sud0x3> Guest31829: If changing the colors of application does help your vision, I would suggest trying stylish addon in firfox and using a global dark theme to style all webpages with said colours.
[21:01] <Guest31829> ok im looking into it now
[21:01] <nacc> bumbumboop: ok, which crontab did you add it to and can you pastebin the script and the crontab?
[21:02] <nemo> Guest31829: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-mode-webextension/
[21:02] <bumbumboop> nacc, sure its a simple line
[21:02] <nemo> Guest31829: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-background-light-text/
[21:02] <bumbumboop> after I do crontab -e I have this: * * * * * sh /home/eric/scripts/start_script.sh
[21:02] <bumbumboop> it should run every minute but that isn't happening
[21:02] <nemo> Guest31829: in addition, I have a small bit of personal familiarity with writing custom shaders for improving visibility with the awesome Compiz colourfilter extension UNFORTUNATELY that extension lost support in newer versions of compiz ☹
[21:02] <bumbumboop> nacc,
[21:03] <nemo> Guest31829: because it was insanely flexible and made it easy to fix various kinds of colourblindness etc
[21:03] <nemo> Guest31829: for example: http://m8y.org/tmp/inverted-lightness.txt http://m8y.org/tmp/biased-inverted-lightness.txt   these simple ones could be applied to any window to do this
[21:04] <nemo> Guest31829: http://m8y.org/tmp/lightness1.jpeg http://m8y.org/tmp/lightness2.jpeg http://m8y.org/tmp/lightness3.jpeg
[21:04] <nemo> Guest31829: one could use the same thing to increase contrast or change colours
[21:04] <nemo> Guest31829: there is also a gnome magnifying glass tool, and there is some screen reader support - unfortunately screen readers are poorly supported in linux at the moment ☹
[21:04] <Guest31829> nemo I switched to the only standard high contrast theme in settings and it looks kinf of strange but is much easier on the eyes. it is mostly black and white
[21:04] <nemo> Guest31829: great!
[21:05] <nemo> Guest31829: for my father in law I manually restyled that theme from white to yellow
[21:05] <nacc> bumbumboop: iirc, cron logs to /var/log/syslog -- do you see your script being tried?
[21:05] <nemo> Guest31829: which he said worked better for him
[21:05] <sud0x3> Guest31829: I personally use redshift to reduce eye strain at night, worky by removing the blue light from your display during night hours. You may be able to find something that will do this all the time
[21:05] <nacc> bumbumboop: also, are you sure you mean `sh` ?
[21:05] <nacc> bumbumboop: can you pastebin the script?
[21:05] <dingir> hi
[21:05] <nemo> sud0x3: oh. good point - yeah. one can screw with colours in general using that um. watchmacallit X tool
[21:05] <dingir> i ssh to my box, i type "wall test message" but nothing appears on the box itself
[21:05] <dingir> whats wrong?
[21:05] <nemo> sud0x3: it's not as powerful as the compiz colour filter, but works for some things
[21:06] <nemo> sud0x3: gonna try and DDG the name of it, but feel free to spit it out if you know what I'm talking about ☺
[21:06] <nacc> dingir: well, it won't appear on the waller's tty
[21:06] <nacc> dingir: it will appear on all others
[21:06] <JonelethIrenicus> can i enable vnc server from command line
[21:06] <Guest31829> It is white background with black text. I tried the dark theme mode in youtube wich is a standard feature but it gives me depression cant use the firefox extension for all sites cos of this.
[21:07] <mustmodify> I want a script to run whether in interactive mode, non-interactive mode, some-other-mode-I-don't-know, whether the user is in space or on earth, at every opportunity. Is /etc/profile.d/file.sh an appropriate place for that?
[21:07] <Guest31829> this has been a big problem for me for the past years thats why i wanted educated help
[21:07] <nacc> mustmodify: that doesn't run scripts
[21:07] <nacc> mustmodify: profile *sources* scripts
[21:07] <sud0x3> nemo: I have used compiz in the past i think wobbly windows? but i wasnt aware it could do this.
[21:07] <nacc> mustmodify: so it depends on what is in file.sh
[21:08] <nemo> sud0x3: yeah. it's so sad that feature disappeared
[21:08] <bumbumboop> nacc, https://gist.github.com/ericjlima/8eff5d34c2133a2c2e40d82d6a369764
[21:08] <nemo> sud0x3: it's 'cause ARB shaders are deprecated - but should have been rewritten to modern shaders
[21:08] <nacc> bumbumboop: that's the content of the script?
[21:08] <bumbumboop> yea
[21:08] <nemo> sud0x3: it's an awesome linux accessibility feature that disappeared ☹
[21:08] <nacc> bumbumboop: it looks cutoff, no shebang at the top?
[21:08] <mustmodify> @nacc: yes, my fault.
[21:08] <mustmodify> I want it sourced.
[21:08] <nemo> sud0x3: right now the only fix is falling back to older compiz and hoping your graphics card still supports ARB (they usually do)
[21:09] <gopal> TJ-: thx a lot , i will check battery drain
[21:09] <sud0x3> nemo: Im not sure what application your thinking of
[21:09] <bumbumboop> what sa shebang? no that's the whole script file
[21:09] <bumbumboop> nacc,
[21:09] <nacc> mustmodify: well, a user can start a shell with --noprofile; and they can run non-bash
[21:10] <nacc> mustmodify: so not sure what your goal is or if it's achievable
[21:10] <nemo> sud0x3: oh. xrandr I think is what I was thinking of
[21:10] <nacc> bumbumboop: e.g, !#/bin/bash
[21:10] <nacc> bumbumboop: on ubuntu, sh = dash which is stricter than bash
[21:10] <nemo> sud0x3: it's a bit more general purpose than redshift.  playing with gamma etc can help visibility
[21:11] <bumbumboop> nacc i'm using sh and I had this script running before but I lost what I had typed in my crontab I think
[21:11] <dingir> nacc the inverse is happening
[21:11] <bumbumboop> I think I had to type in a special command or something to get this shell script to run but I go online and everyone says it is very straight forward and simple just like I wrote?
[21:11] <dingir> on my ssh remote login i see "broadcast from dingir message test" but on the box itself i dont see anything
[21:11] <nacc> bumbumboop: um, your script seems rather wrong
[21:12] <mustmodify> @nacc: I'm using 'chruby' to manage what version of Ruby is available to the user. Scripts must be sourced before use. The web server and deploy scripts use a non-interactive shell.
[21:12] <nacc> bumbumboop: why is it making assumptions about paths, etc.
[21:12] <dingir> oh its becasue im logged as dingir..
[21:12] <dingir> hrm
[21:12] <nemo> sud0x3: https://askubuntu.com/questions/62249/how-do-you-change-brightness-color-and-sharpness-from-command-line
[21:12] <bumbumboop> nacc, the script is not the issue
[21:12] <nacc> bumbumboop: i'm fairly sure it is
[21:12] <mustmodify> So that needs to be available at all times.
[21:12] <nacc> bumbumboop: because cron does not run from a particular directory
[21:12] <bumbumboop> the issue is with crontab or permissions or something nacc
[21:12] <nacc> bumbumboop: and your script assumes it is run from some specific directory
[21:13] <nemo> Guest31829: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/backlight#Color_correction  oh. this arch page has a nice list of applications that control colour correction
[21:13] <dingir> does not appear on the root terminal
[21:13] <nacc> dingir: what do you mean by 'root terminal'?
[21:13] <dingir> i did a "su" in terminal
[21:13] <nacc> dingir: that doesnn't log you in
[21:14] <nacc> dingir: i believe it only applies to logged in users
[21:14] <dingir> i am logged.. on the desktop
[21:14] <dingir> i have a terminal opened as dingir and one as root
[21:14] <bumbumboop> nacc, so how do I get my script to run at all? do i need to reference my directory differnetly or something?
[21:14] <dingir> when i type "wall test" from ssh, nothing appears
[21:14] <dingir> even tho ssh session returns "broadcast message from dingir test"
[21:16] <sud0x3> nemo: Cheers i will look into that
[21:16] <nemo> sud0x3: yeah, actually that arch page has xcalib - that might have been the one I was actually thinking of - read that page instead I think 😃
[21:17] <sud0x3> Shoutout to the late night linux podcast whilst were on the topic of accessability last episode has an interview with a blind user who also hosts several podcasts of his own
[21:17] <UsbUser> Hey, I'm using 16.04 on my Macbook and having a lot of trouble getting USB drives to work correctly. It seems that on reboot USB works fine, but when I eject a drive and tru to use it again the system refuses to mount it automatically. Trying to mount using the terminal doesn't work and I'm at a bit of a loss to what is happining. Has anyone seen this soft of thing before?
[21:18] <UsbUser> I havent had any trouble before at it seems to have just started happening
[21:18] <nemo> sud0x3: the main fail on linux is screen readers ☹ microsoft is still miles ahead of linux and OSX on that front.   where linux seems to shine is on high contrast-anything
[21:19] <nemo> sud0x3: and ofc that old compiz colour filter thing which could probably be used to mostly fix any colourblindness
[21:19] <nemo> sud0x3: high contrast themes in windows are basically unusable - and it's not just 3rd party apps - MS doesn't seem to worry much about it either
[21:19] <akik> UsbUser: do you disconnect the device after eject?
[21:19] <sud0x3> nemo: Yeah i tried orca after listening to aformentioned podcast and i was diappointed certainly wouldnt be able to use my setup if i became blind
[21:19] <nemo> sud0x3: now. if you're a dev and tmux is your home, you'll probably be mostly fine? ☺
[21:20] <UsbUser> akik: Yes I physically disconnect the drive after ejecting
[21:20] <akik> UsbUser: you can get more information what your system sees with this command: sudo udevadm monitor --udev --subsystem-match=usb --property
[21:21] <akik> UsbUser: run that and then plug in the device
[21:23] <UsbUser> akik: ok, so nothing is coming out of the monitor. I checked dmesg and I'm getting some pretty freaky messages I wasn't earlier. Am I ok to post a few lines into this channel?
[21:24] <akik> UsbUser: no, put them into a pastebin service
[21:26] <akik> UsbUser: not quite sure what would be the cause but you might get more info with "journalctl -xe" if you know the time that it starts happening
[21:26] <UsbUser> akik: Here is some of my dmesg output. I wasn't seeing this earlier which is interesting. https://pastebin.com/VER2PjtC
[21:27] <akik> UsbUser: do you have another usb device to test with?
[21:27] <UsbUser> Yeah, tried this with a USB flash drive and a USB HDD. Both exhibit the same behaviour
[21:28] <dingir> nacc
[21:29] <dingir> on google i found that gnome-terminal doesnt recognize login sessions or something like that so doesnt work with wall
[21:29] <dingir> bs
[21:29] <UsbUser> akik: I'm going to try booting into OSX and see whether this might be HW related. The drives work in other systems so I'm going to rule my system itself out. I'll report back
[21:31] <thorie> hello, i recently updated ubuntu and got a warning that /boot is almost full.. i see it's using 415MB of 464MB.. what should I do? do I need a bigger /boot?
[21:32] <hggdh> dingir: edit your gnome-terminal profile and, on the Command tab, check on "Run command as a login shell"
[21:33] <hggdh> thorie: you probably had some old kernels that can be removed (via the package manager, *NOT* via 'rm')
[21:33] <hggdh> s/had/have/
[21:34] <BillD73> thorie: I believe   sudo apt autoremove     then   sudo apt autoclean
[21:35] <hggdh> thorie: you would run 'sudo apt --purge autoremove'; check that indeed (apart from the kernel packages) there is nothing you do not want to remove, and -- if OK -- let it execute
[21:35] <UsbUser> akik: Ok, so OSX behaves normally. I'm pretty sure its not HW.
[21:35] <thorie> thanks!!
[21:36] <akik> UsbUser: you could try reloading the usb_storage module after the problem situation "sudo modprobe -r uas usb_storage"
[21:36] <akik> UsbUser: that removes the usb_storage module and you can load it again with "sudo modprobe usb_storage"
[21:37] <dingir> hggdh, i did.. still no difference
[21:38] <nacc> dingir: sorry, was afk
[21:38] <nacc> dingir: you need to *login* as a particular user
[21:39] <dingir> well, i boot the computer, i login as dingir, get to the desktop, open terminal
[21:39] <dingir> i take my phone, ssh to the box, type "wall asdf", the ssh session on the phone says "broadcast message from dingir asdf"
[21:39] <UsbUser> akik: loading and unloading the kernel modules didn't make a difference. You can see this in dmesg at 242.873399 . I'm also getting a few more interesting messages.https://pastebin.com/PumepTXb
[21:39] <dingir> but on the gnome-terminal i opened on the box, nothing shows up
[21:40] <nacc> dingir: gnome-terminal sessions are not loginns
[21:40] <nacc> dingir: i believe they are just spawning interactive bash shells
[21:40] <nacc> dingir: you could run `bash -l` or `login` manually and i bet you'd see it
[21:40] <nacc> dingir: why are you wall'ing anyways?
[21:41] <nacc> bumbumboop: sorry, was afk
[21:41] <nacc> bumbumboop: you need to fix your script, it's just not correct
[21:41] <dingir> oh..
[21:41] <dingir> so a login is like ctrl+alt+f2
[21:42] <dingir> i see..
[21:42] <dingir> nacc trying wall just for fun
[21:43] <akik> UsbUser: what if you just umount the usb device, then unplug it, plug it back and try to use it again?
[21:44] <ilmaisin> hello
[21:44] <ilmaisin> i am having problem when ssh'ing to a ipv6 debian stretch host from an ubuntu client machine
[21:44] <ilmaisin> sometimes the connection just hangs
[21:44] <ilmaisin> it does it after the "local version string" debug output
[21:45] <UsbUser> akik:Isnt that what Files is doing already? I can try it but i'll need to reboot
[21:46] <nacc> dingir: or a login session
[21:46] <nacc> dingir: (bash -l, login, etc.)
[21:46] <bumbumboop> nanever mind i got the script running
[21:46] <nacc> bumbumboop: ok.
[21:46] <nacc> bumbumboop: you should still fix your script if you haven't
[21:46] <dingir> nacc thank
[21:46] <bumbumboop> i had to do display:0 because it was using a script that needed to be within my main ubuntu window isntance
[21:47] <akik> UsbUser: umount and eject do two different things, umount doesn't remove the device file
[21:47] <akik> UsbUser: you can see the eject happening on line 28
[21:47] <nacc> bumbumboop: makes sense
[21:47] <nacc> bumbumboop: fwiw, cronning a graphics thingn is relatively uncommon
[21:48] <UsbUser> Ok, i'll give it a go
[21:52] <dsaravanan> How to find which icon-theme is in present use?
[21:53] <polaco> hi
[21:53] <UsbUser> akik: Yep so that didn't work either. I'm not sure what to make of this, a regression maybe?
[21:53] <polaco> I have a one question.
[21:53] <akik> UsbUser: you could try a newer kernel
[21:54] <UsbUser> I'm on the latest kernel. I'll try a few older ones
[21:54] <polaco> The ip 192.0.0.9 Is a private o public ip?
[21:54] <UsbUser> or latest for 16.04 at least
[21:54] <akik> UsbUser: there's the mainline kernels also
[21:54] <hggdh> polaco: public
[21:55] <polaco> sure because the other chat said private
[21:55] <hggdh> polaco: meaning it is not one of the reserved, non-routable, IP addresses.
[21:56] <dsaravanan> How to find which icon-theme am I using in my machine?
[21:56] <polaco> I think that is public ip
[21:57] <polaco> too
[21:58] <hggdh> polaco: the "private" IPv4 ranges are 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/20, and 192.168.0.0/16
[21:59] <polaco> ok thanks
[21:59] <polaco> hggdh
[21:59] <hggdh> polaco: YW
[22:01] <argusbr> have alternative tool mtr?
[22:02] <UsbUser> akik: Hey again, I've revereted to 4.10.0-40 which is the oldest kerel I've got on my system. Suddenly USB works perfectly again. I'm going to work through my kernel and find out exactly when this broke.
[22:03] <UsbUser> akik: I'll try pull in the latest mainline and report this on Launchpad
[22:04] <akik> UsbUser: well good thing you found the temp fix
[22:05] <UsbUser> akik: Thanks for the help anyway. I'll do a bit more research and submit a bug report but you've been a great help anyway. Cheers :)
[22:14] <sammecs> How do I boot the Ubuntu installer into Legacy mode from a Macbook?
[22:14] <ferretsatsuma> On my Ubuntu installation, ‘ldconfig.real -i’ causes a segmentation fault. The cache is good (ldconfig runs OK) but there’s something amiss in one of the libraries. If anyone has suggestions on how I should go about troubleshooting this, I would appreciate hearing them.
[22:14] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: what version of ubuntu?
[22:15] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: 16.04.3 LTS
[22:16] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: i guess you could run it in gdb and see where it is segfaultinng (and strace may also show it)
[22:16] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: Thank you. Those are both good ideas.
[22:17] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: Gdb said there was no debugging info in the ldconfig.real binary, but I could recompile it w/ debug enabled...
[22:17] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: you might need to add the debug repos
[22:20] <energizer> having trouble installing docker-ce https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/C3HaUe768IMbI8ByboLz/ [xpost #docker]
[22:21] <nacc> energizer: a nonn-ubuntu package
[22:21] <nacc> !crosspost | energizer
[22:21] <nacc> i guess not multiple Ubuntu in this case, but still not great
[22:21] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but are you talking about the debug repos for the major libraries (glibc, libc, etc.)?
[22:21] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[22:21] <TJ-> ferretsatsuma: there's an archive server for the debug symbols :) ^^^
[22:22] <ferretsatsuma> Groovy
[22:27] <energizer> nacc: oh it was an ubuntu problem, zesty is eol
[22:28] <energizer> oops
[22:38] <degantyll> Hi, I'm having an error where I try to change the default Open With inside nautilus but it doesnt work. I'm trying to set xml to open with Gedit but it always opens with Firefox, if I change it in properties it doesn't even try to change it
[22:39] <degantyll> Any one has any pointers to this problem? Last hit in google is from 3 years ago
[22:39] <degantyll> I'm using Ubuntu 17.10
[22:40] <Zajt> How can I set the size of a terminal window I open? Can I set it with any command?
[22:40] <energizer> How can I upgrade from 17.04? https://dpaste.de/L3P5
[22:40] <nacc> !eolupgrade | energizer
[22:40] <degantyll> What I noticed is that it sets XML to whichever default app is set on "Default Applications" and overrides manual settings
[22:40] <idwer> recently I upgraded from ubuntu 17.04 to ubuntu 17.10, now resuming from hibernate isn't working anymore; I have edited /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla, and the UUID from /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume doesn't match blkid'soutput
[22:41] <idwer> while troubleshooting this I came across these posts: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/10/enable-hibernate-ubuntu-17-10/ https://askubuntu.com/questions/12383/how-to-go-automatically-from-suspend-into-hibernate and https://askubuntu.com/questions/975996/hibernate-is-not-working-on-ubuntu-17-10
[22:42] <idwer> resuming worked on 17.04 using linux-image-4.10.0-42-generic
[22:46] <akik> degantyll: not sure about the problem you're having but you can modify the associations with xdg-mime command
[22:47] <degantyll> akik: will read up on that, thanks for the suggestion
[22:53] <idwer> this is on xubuntu by the way - hitting the power button shows both suspend and hibernate buttons, hibernating does write the image to disk and although the resuming process counter is shown, resume to lightdm won't finish
[22:58] <TJ-> idwer: any clues in syslog/kern.log? Can you Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get a tty when lightdm won't complete?
[22:58] <idwer> TJ-: no, this is on mobile hardware (laptop) and its keyboard nor usb ports (for ext. keyboard) aren't brought up
[22:59] <idwer> it just sits there
[22:59] <idwer> resume from s3 works
[22:59] <TJ-> idwer: if it is able to write to the log files there may be something in them, though. After a fresh boot check those using the timestamps to identify the resume-from-hibernate boot messages, if any
[23:00] <idwer> /var/log/pm-suspend.log is empty
[23:00] <TJ-> idwer: is it resuming-from-hibernate with the same kernel image that it hibernated from?
[23:02] <idwer> TJ-: heh, good question - no, that isn't the case
[23:02] <TJ-> idwer: OK, then the logs are your best bet for finding clues
[23:05] <idwer> alright, now there's just linux-image-4.13.0-32-generic + linux-image-extra-4.13.0-32-generic
[23:05] <idwer> (how I hate rebooting)
[23:11] <idwer> hrm
[23:12] <ferretsatsuma> Is there a switch I flip if I want to use the -debug libraries?
[23:13] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: i believe if you install the debug symbols you shouldl be good
[23:13] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: Thank you
[23:13] <TJ-> ferretsatsuma: add the ddeb repo, apt update, and install the <package>-dbsym
[23:14] <TJ-> oops, <package>-dbgsym
[23:15] <idwer> TJ-: now, I compared /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume against conf/conf.d/resume as the latter is included in the new initramfs image:
[23:15] <idwer> < RESUME=UUID=5fd0a2d5-e689-43ca-8c86-25af045028e2
[23:15] <idwer> > RESUME=UUID=8b7e1421-c361-499d-8027-7fb6aa912227
[23:16] <idwer> the second UUID matches what blkid tells me
[23:17] <TJ-> idwer: right, which is presumable being auto-generated then?
[23:17] <sadako> Oof. Boot and login time seems super long going from 17.04 to 17.10
[23:17] <idwer> TJ-: I guess
[23:18] <idwer> there is no resume= directive in /proc/cmdline
[23:18] <TJ-> idwer: it's set here: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/resume:44:RESUME=$(grep ^/dev/ /proc/swaps | sort -rk3 | head -n 1 | cut -d " " -f 1)
[23:19] <idwer> $ grep ^/dev/ /proc/swaps | sort -rk3 | head -n 1 | cut -d " " -f 1
[23:19] <idwer> /dev/sda5
[23:19] <TJ-> idwer: there's other code that touches it, try this to get an idea "grep -rn RESUME /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/"
[23:20] <idwer> maybe that code doen't work well with UUIDs
[23:20] <joefromct> hi, i just switched from arch, how can i setup a systemd unit for --user to run emacs?  It worked in arch, but with ubuntu it seems my systemd --user unit isn't found... it's in ~/.config/systemd/user/emacs.service
[23:21] <TJ-> idwer: lines 46-48 handle the RESUME=UUID=
[23:22] <joefromct> n/m i found it, apparently it's in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ i need to put it.
[23:23] <TJ-> joefromct: or /etc/systemd/user/ would be better - /usr/lib/ is usually for package-supplied files
[23:23] <brainwash> joefromct: but it should work with ~/.config/systemd/user/ also
[23:23] <joefromct> brainwash: hmm... it doesn't find it.  I did a daemon-reload even no luck
[23:23] <joefromct> maybe its permissions?
[23:23] <TJ-> joefromct: which release of Ubuntu is it?
[23:23] <joefromct> 17.10
[23:24] <idwer> TJ-: on line 19-20 it sources the file with the dangling UUID
[23:27] <TJ-> idwer: yes, but that'll fail since it won't find it with blkid so it'll pass on to the autodetection later
[23:28] <idwer> blkid -p -n swap $(grep ^/dev/ /proc/swaps | sort -rk3 | head -n 1 | cut -d " " -f 1)
[23:28] <idwer> /dev/sda5: UUID="8b7e1421-c361-499d-8027-7fb6aa912227" VERSION="1" TYPE="swap" USAGE="other" PART_ENTRY_SCHEME="dos" PART_ENTRY_UUID="1f720d9d-05" PART_ENTRY_TYPE="0x82" PART_ENTRY_NUMBER="5" PART_ENTRY_OFFSET="341540864" PART_ENTRY_SIZE="33552384" PART_ENTRY_DISK="8:0"
[23:28] <degantyll> akik: workes modifyng ~/.config/mimeapps.list, changing text/xml to gedit.desktop... this ofcourse gets overwritten if I change the Web Default App inside GNOME... looks like a bug
[23:29] <degantyll> or expected behavior, you never know with gnome nowadays :P
[23:29] <TJ-> Seems like joefromct was correct, "man systemd" says this commands tells you where user units should be placed: "pkg-config systemd --variable=systemduserunitdir"
[23:38] <sadako> I'm SSH'd into another computer running ubuntu on this network.  Is there a way I for me to switch to active terminals that are running on that ubuntu desktop?
[23:39] <idwer> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1708043 however bios/efi version or bios/efi settings haven't changed
[23:39] <idwer> (by me as the user, that is)
[23:43] <idwer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1743094/comments/23
[23:46] <doge-doge> quick question: is upgrading to 17.10 still supported by 32-bit machines? my netbook is complaining that it can't update 17.04 any longer. I suppose 16.04 is still an option as well...
[23:46] <doge-doge> I can do the in-place upgrade according to the updater
[23:48] <idwer> TJ-: going to reboot into linux-image-extra-4.13.0-21-generic
[23:54] <idwer> yeah that version appears to work
[23:54] <TJ-> idwer: see my response to bug #1743094
[23:57] <idwer> TJ-: nopti, I'll remember that