 oh yes, alaikum salam, Mohamed from Sudan , its better you are a UT developer than a Pirat :)
[01:09] <tgBot1> <Sumeet Kumar> So whats the best ubuntu phone
 @Sumeet Kumar, The one you can get 😂
[01:10] <tgBot1> <Sumeet Kumar> 😞
 sorry.. I have the N5 and it is pretty great.
 Can hook it up to screen and have full convergence
[01:11] <tgBot1> <Sumeet Kumar> Nexus 5
 with kb/mouse
[01:11] <tgBot1> <Sumeet Kumar> Okay
 Yep
 Two version.. the D820 is US and the D821 is international.
[01:13] <tgBot1> <Sumeet Kumar> You can usually buy those at best buy like prepaid phones yeah??
 eehhh... not anymore... and I don't think they ever carried them.
 could only buy at google.com
 You can find used ones lots of places depending on country.
 I have create an  Arabic group this is the  …   @UPorts_Arabic
 @sudanisayfree, \o/  Have you joined UBLangs group?
 You are the Arabic captain?
 @Crash_Burn, No
 @sudanisayfree, Ok, let me PM you some further instructions
 In the news page, the link for Arabic telegram group doesn't work.
 Just giving a heads up
 @mvaisakh, http://t.me/UBports_Arabic
 Yeah it's working now
 I guys! Yunit project has done some unity8 interface translations ( 149 languages in total, catalan, french and italian are "ready for use", portughese is almost ready). Do you think they could be usefull for ubports unity8? Who should I ask?
 @Aury88, Good point
 @Aury88, probably here: https://github.com/ubports/unity8/issues
 @peternerlich, Ok. I'll ask there👍
[09:29] <tgBot1> <Sumeet Kumar> Ok i guess ill have to order one
[09:32] <tgBot1> wahyujlt was added by: wahyujlt
 Someone has already tried on Xiaomi redmi 2 phones?
 @Sumeet Kumar, Could also consider OnePlusOne or Moto G 'Titan'
 @wahyujlt, Likely to be very difficult I think. It needs a Halium port. I don't remember any Xiaomi on the list
 Here is the list. Some are finished. Others have had only a little work so far. Nothing for Xiaomi http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/supplementary/devices/
 @wahyujlt, Welcome Waugh! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 http://t.me/UBports_IND
 @wahyujlt, No but i'm trying with Xiaomi mi3
 This is the link for our Indonesian language link Wahyu
 @Mattia990, You should list it in the Halium wiki so that people know 😁
 Hi guys, after a few days break I'm trying to flash my MX4 again after having emptied the cache in recovery. I use sudo ubuntu-device-flash etc but it states:
 error pushing: Failed to copy '/home/seumas/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/keyring-longchainofalphunumericsIcantbebotheredtotype.tar.X's' to '/cache/recovery/': Is a directory
 *.xz I mean
 Any tips?
 @Stereofont, Hello I'm speak Arabic
 @sudanisayfree, وعليكم السلام محمد
 @SigmaOne, http://t.me/UBports_Arabic
 @Stereofont, Okay
 Please join
 Okay
 👌
 Isn't it should be UBports | An Ubuntu Touch Community? … or do I pronounce Ubuntu wrong or my English grammar is wrong? 😄
 @Javacookies, It should be if you pronounce it oo-boon-too or oo-bun-too. I don't know what it is officially, or if there even is an official way of saying it
 All long u
 https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu
 Pronounciation above. :)
 Ubuntu can be pronounced however you choose, that's one of the freedoms it provides. I go with you-bun-tu.
 @Stereofont @dohbee Is my problem more so on the host PC side? Or the phone? Search engines bring up nothing about this push error.
 I would have to answer that in about 30 hrs or so, at best
 If you're busy, I understand.
 I am nowhere near relevant data
 Hmm I might have a fix, may be because I did a cache wipe:
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/111/ubports-recovery-status/3
 Is there a way to flag for a push progress percentage with ubuntu-device-flash?
 https://github.com/ubports/kernel_bq_m10/commit/18ce36c8950f73df6c874f65d6862905a69e4286 - does anyone know the origin of that driver?
 I'm trying to get Bluetooth working on a newer MTK SoC with 3.18 kernel
 @TartanSpartan, @wayneoutthere xD
 Amirite though? :)
 Wayne says it ooboontoo ;)
[13:07] <tgBot1> matcher84 was added by: matcher84
 Fwd from Tewel: Ah, of course, thank you for your quick answering and help! I will try this...
[13:16] <tgBot1> <Ernst Vaarties> Hi. I have a BQ Aquaris M10 and am looking for a keyboard. Any suggestions?
 I like the logitech BT one with the touch pad integrated
[13:24] <tgBot1> <Ernst Vaarties> Would that be this one? https://www.logitech.com/nl-nl/product/wireless-touch-keyboard-k400-plus
 @TartanSpartan, I'm going to call you Some-Ass, ok?  I choose this freedom.
 where do you intend to use it? at home? at work? anywhere? there are good foldable keyboards out there :)
 @Georgecloon, you can find your answer here:  … https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/sayubuntu.joe
 Haha, don't discriminate against the Celtic peoples ;)
 just proving that names matter.  We might fail the first time but let's work together and 'get it right' over time.
 you can call me Wan-Yay once or twice but after a while.. i just won't remember to call you back...
 @Ernst Vaarties, Yeah I have that one
 I used to have cheaper ones but with lot of problems after a few weeks
 Its your call, maybe I had back luck
 I'm a little loath to quote Joey after how much he's snubbed us since Canonical dropped the project, but...
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-pronounce-ubuntu-correctly
 As for keyboards, I recommend this:
 https://www.amazon.co.uk/DURAGADGET-Black-Leather-SPANISH-Keyboard/dp/B01CGQCE8Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517060026&sr=8-1&keywords=bq+aquaris+m10+case+duragadget
 The case and keyboard together allow the tablet to approximate a laptop form, you can prop it up as such, or fold it over and prop it up just as a tablet, the battery life is good, it's strong and protects well, nice and chunky to get a good grip of the device during transport, standard WIN/AND/IOS hotkeys and a function button for Home End PgDown PgUp and others, unfortunately the caps lock light doesn't seem to function so you just have to 
[13:38] <tgBot1> the state of that function, also it seems to have a North American QWERTY layout so the lack of Euro or £ symbols is slightly annoying, but other than that it's great.
[13:39] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Anyone know how to stop the apparmor service on ubuntu touch? I've been trying to figure out a coding issue and I just wanna be sure that it is indeed the apparmor that is disabling me from reading a directory and not something else
 Check syslog for apparmor denial?
 And apparmor is in the kernel, not a service
 What directory?
 Help link dowload ubuntu touch for nexus 5 format zip please share 🙏🙏
 There is none
 Ubuntu is not an Android ROM
[13:44] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Ahh there is a log? Where is it? I've been trying a bunch. /home, /home/phablet, /tmp... I have put them in my read_path in the apparmor profile and tried making it use the 'unconfined' template but nothing really seems to help. I can see that others have read-access to the directory when I use clickable logs and with logging from my app - it should be allowed to read that dir but something is preventing it
 The unconfined profile can already read everything
 @TartanSpartan, yeah.definitely *don't* quote Mr. Snaydown on how to pronounce Ubuntu. "there's no right way" is a load of crap.  There is a right way.  It's the way you say it in the country where the word comes from.  However... I also understand that there are problems in some languages making certain sounds.  For example, while living in Korea I noticed that men named Ryan were always "Lyin'"  So pronunciation problems while *trying* to s
[13:45] <tgBot1> it correctly are fine and human.   … However, not trying at all and saying "I'll just say your name how I want to" is arrogant and imperialistic.  That's what the Europeans would do while dominating another country .   … I'm in India so you are Indians! … ...uh.. no you aren't and no we aren't. … Yes! You are!  And I will call you that. … Arrogance.   … Ubuntu is also an interesting word.  Because of the vowels an consonants, there is not a singl
[13:45] <tgBot1> that can claim 'We can't pronounce this right".  It would be a lie.  It's easy.  It's a long 'ooooo' sound in each 'U' letter.  Simple as that.  Really.  It's that easy.   … And if you still can't say it right @exar_kun made a UT app to remove all excuses. … Have a nice day. *smiley*
 It's the system log, /var/log/syslog and maybe something in the log of your app
 Damnit wayne
 You also need to bump your app version number each time you change your apps apparmor profiles for it to take effect.
[13:47] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> I do a 'opendir' on the directory and Im always hit with the permission denied (13 errno). I'll have a look at the log, thanks @dohbee
 @dohbee, yes, rodney?
 YMMV is a guiding principle of life.
[13:47] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @DanChapman Did not know that, maybe that is why its not taking effect? I will defently try that too
 @wayneoutthere, Break. Long. Things. Up. Please.
 i didn't want to dwell on it so I put it in a big one.  it would have interrupted you worse in pieces
 believe it or not I was thinking about you here.
 @DanChapman, Shouldn't need to, and doesn't matter if it's unconfined
 @dohbee, hmmm ok. so if it wasn't unconfined originally and the version number did not change when switching it to unconfined the apparmor profile would get reapplied? As far as a i recall that was never the case for me and it always required a version bump if you changed anything in apparmor.json
 Adding read_path entries to an unconfined app is superfluous
 @DanChapman, When you install the click again, it should generate and install the new profile. Version numbers are pretty superfluous, only for upgrade from store really
 Hmm, maybe a bug in click then?
[13:56] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> This is my apparmor profile:https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s2eQw7Z-wDsDuzsIN6gKS8m7mFppvt5R?usp=sharing … Thats how it should look if its unconfied right?
[13:58] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Bumping the version of the  app did the trick
 Happy to state that I've reverted my dormant, thought-bricked MX4 to stable Vivid.
 Once again.
[13:58] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Dont know if that is a bug or just how its meant to be but just tried it and voila, it can read the directories
[13:59] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Dont know if I should log this somewhere so the next fellow who tries this out dose'nt run into the same issue as me? Im all for documenting and helping :)
 @Jimmie Johnsson, Sounds like bugs
 @dohbee, I'm not sure tbh. I would say so... but it was always been like that so no idea if it's actually by design.
[14:01] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> I've already been in contact with Douglass couple of e-mails before, he is the main "clickable" guy I guess? I can drop him a mail and see what he says
[14:01] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @DanChapman @dohbee thanks a million for the help - I would not have figured this out myself. Thanks
 👍
 Is it to be expected that system-image-cli spits out verbosity which namedrops Canonical?
 e.g.
 [systemimage] Jan 27 13:53:42 2018 (9050) [/com/canonical/applications/download/af1067b6cb284b6093e248fc8ba430cc] Running group download reactor
 Looks like it's in their namespace
 That's fine IMO. system-image-cli and system-image-dbus are canonical projects.
 Fair enough.
 It's the dbus namespace, yes
[14:28] <tgBot1> <Ernst Vaarties> Tnx I'm gonna use the keyboard for casual typing.
 You like it? It would work for that too, yes.
[15:09] <tgBot1> kalvincj was added by: kalvincj
 Finally achieved my objective of moving to Xenial on Arale :)
 Who is a guru with this development image, on the team?
[15:15] <marvis> hi
 @kalvincj, Welcome Hallan! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
[15:27] <marvis> to port lastest version of ub touch need halium 7.1 or 5.1 ?
 Marvis it depends in the device. Can be either. But that is the extent of my knowledge on the subject
[15:56] <tgBot1> Fabrizio Zanella was added by: Fabrizio Zanella
 @Fabrizio Zanella, Hello Fabrizio. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
[16:00] <marvis> Stereo thanks xD
[16:01] <marvis> i will try port to my mtk device but will take a lot of work :x
[16:02] <marvis> my device is limited by 512 ram size and i don't know if will run fine.
 (Photo, 640x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Z04uiIS5/file_3922.jpg
 @marvis, Marvis, with MTK and 512Mb the project is as close to impossible as it can get. Seriously, don't give yourself that heartache. Find a more sensible device
[16:28] <marvis> @Stereofont Thanks for information, yes MTK is so much closed, the device kernel is hard to compile confuses makefiles and incomplete tree : (, i will try with other xD
 there are relatively sensible MediaTek devices which have kernel source code at least, but yours is probably just not worth the effort
 @marvis, No it will not, sorry to say. 1GB is bare minimum, better 2GB. Unity8 is a memory hog.
[16:32] <bshah> resourcehog.jpg :P
[16:32] <bshah> *hides*
 Lol
 @marvis, Enthusiasm is great but it will be crushed by unrealistic projects. We prefer to be honest. It isn't our intention to discourage
 @Flohack, you think it's possible to improve that? even Qt apps are memory hog! :)
 sorry to go to another topic … anyone else agree with this bug/issue? … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/451
 I have a possible fix and I would like someone to test it and see how it compare to previous experience...in my opinion it's a better 👍
 @Javacookies, Yes, it is fixable. If true anyway
 @Javacookies, It is possible but we need a unity8 team to target this, and I dont see this coming
[16:37] <marvis> @Stereofont I understand thanks for notice me, i will try get a Xiaomi device to play
 @Flohack, I think it's more on the general Qt implementation since even apps are affected?
 @Javacookies, For project management, guessing that stable function is the top priority, with economy and efficiency being refinements that come later?
 @marvis, If you can discuss with someone else who is playing around with the same device it will be much easier. Two heads better than one
 Fwd from Mattia990: No but i'm trying with Xiaomi mi3
 This
 @Javacookies, Apps will speed up in xenial because of Qt caching. Memory I cant say but can also be better. But no apps open UT consumes already up to 800MB. Thats not a Qt problem
 @Javacookies, No, it's just decisions in implementation
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/qPIm6FbT/file_3923
 I'll just ask again tomorrow regarding the tester I'm looking for … it got buried because I talked about two topics LOL … and I got to sleep :D
[16:47] <marvis> @Stereofont yeah i will find more things to change, this device is not so much popular is a alcatel 4027D
 @Javacookies, Is there a pull request for it so people can test?
 I'm new to this...what's a pull request? 😅
 https://help.github.com/articles/about-pull-requests/
 okay I'll read that...so it's what I need so people can test my fix right?
 Basically fork the keyboard-component make changes in your fork and create a pull request to merge it back into the keyboard-component
 Yes test and review the code changes
 okay, thanks … I'll do it tomorrow … it's just a two-liner fix..though I tried many things before I came up with this....kinda happy and at the same time disappointed...like what?! it's just like that?! 😂
 anyways, thank you again … good night!
 👍
 The life of a programmer.
 How do I create a UT app using QT?
 You can use https://www.gitbook.com/book/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/details
[17:19] <tgBot1> leumasobz was added by: leumasobz
 @Javacookies, I'm on BQ E5 release channel. I tried to reproduce the issue and I noticed that on a multi-lines text sometimes, once activated the concerned bar function, the cursor moves up by one line; but sometimes doesn't, it remains still. It seems to me quite random behavior...
 @leumasobz, Hello Leumas. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 https://m.facebook.com/UBports_Arabic-265596383976294 … To reach big number of people in Arabic world , We created a page on Facebook
 @sudanisayfree, محمد عبدو: … On Twitter & Google Plus using :  … #UBPorts_Arabic
 @Flohack, I'm not sure ram is everything. The OPO has 3GB, but the N5 seems to be a bit more responsive with 2GB
 @sudanisayfree, Now , launched first hashtag : … #UBPorts_Arabic …  on Facebook
[19:00] <tgBot1> Andrissk was added by: Andrissk
 https://github.com/TeamButter/android_device_samsung_mint2g
 I was  able  to  install on Opo. I will continue following the italian ubports group. Thanks a lot
 (Sticker, 336x512) https://irc.ubports.com/UtN8gciH/file_3924
 Guys, my MX4 on Xenial was working ok, but all of a sudden the WiFi interface has disappeared. What gives?
 Never mind, this is the fix:
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/0xDLnFFQ/file_3926.jpg
 Question :  … Why , UBports installer cannot see the adb device list ( any handset ) will it's  connected on the pc operating system ? … I trying it on my device Samsung GT-S5282 ... …  it  only give me letter "  wait adb to attached the device " , I wait for 1 hour nothing happened ... … Really it should give me a  massage or letter like "  Your device is Samsung GT-S5282 , Sorry we cannot install ubuntu touch on it now "
 @sudanisayfree, The installer only has a few error responses. With future development more diagnostic responses will probably appear. Probably it will be more likely just to refer users to help on a web page or the install room here. The list of supported devices is on the UBports website
 No Samsung device is supported at the moment
 @Stereofont, Ok
 Better less devices with 100 % funcionality instead of 100 devices with 20 % functionality and thousand constructions... :-)
[20:51] <tgBot1> Francisco Sousa was added by: Francisco Sousa
 @Francisco Sousa, Hello Francisco. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 https://t.me/joinchat/ALdCegI_knZj301cCAbSMw UBports Portuguese language group
[21:16] <tgBot1> javitoom was added by: javitoom
 @javitoom, Hello Javi and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 hola Javi
 Hello! Hola!
 @Stereofont, It should be failing in this case though, not hanging. u-d-f errors out on unsupported devices
 @javitoom, https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 @milkor73, Thank you
 You are welcome Javito
 Hey there, is there anything I can do to help. I use a Nexus 5X and am familiar with Linux and C/C++
 @JoshuaAshton, Yes, certainly. 5X does not have a working port yet but there is work being done on it. Maybe you could advance that. There is also a lot to do in getting 16.04 to a stable condition in all the supported devices
 Is there a list of ubp telegram lang groups somewhere?
 @AresMinos, They are all in the website but they need a bit of tidying. Soon ™
 I've already been searching the website for that, do you mind linking me?
 Arabic, Scandinavian, Sardinian, Romanian, Esperanto, Russian, Portuguese, Spanish, Finnish, French, German, Indonesian, Dutch, [India], Turkish, Catalan
 All are in the News Channel
 @ubports_news
 https://ubports.com/community/get-involved/focus-languagetranslation
 This
 I forgot Italian, Chinese, Korean
 19 in all
 Moar language
 There are probably enough here for Polish to get going
 Japanese is curiously absent
 @Stereofont, Thanks :) I must have been blind, I was on that page when I was searching for it and missed the links.