ducassegood morning, everyone07:28
lotuspsychjegood morning to all08:51
ducassemorning, lotuspsychje - how are you?08:54
lotuspsychjehey ducasse great and you?08:55
lotuspsychjetrying to fix an old packard bell P3 128ram08:55
ducassei'm good, thanks, having a quiet morning here08:56
lotuspsychjeits installing xp right now, but the machine is designed for 200008:56
lotuspsychjelubuntu32 bit is next on the list :p08:57
ducasseit's not going to be a speed monster :)08:59
lotuspsychjeno lol09:00
lotuspsychjeducasse: the users choice to repair an old machine09:01
lotuspsychjei mean customer09:01
lotuspsychjeperhaps use as big calculator lol09:01
ducasseaha, right :)09:01
lotuspsychjehey TJ-09:35
TJ-morning :)09:51
lotuspsychjeTJ-: im happy the gods have heared my bug wishlist of systemd we talked about last time09:52
lotuspsychjecanonical promised to speed up :p09:52
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^09:57
EriC^^hey lotuspsychje09:57
ducassehi EriC^^, TJ-09:57
EriC^^hi ducasse09:58
daftykinslotuspsychje: Pentium III !?10:30
daftykinssurely that's not a clients10:30
daftykinsthat system should be dumped though, totally impractical for any modern, updated and secure OS10:30
lotuspsychjedaftykins: hehe, this is not my call mate10:31
lotuspsychjedaftykins: im awaiting his answer10:31
daftykinsmmm, but you can't knowingly work on XP for someone, since it's EOL10:31
lotuspsychjedaftykins: i wont suggest throwing hardware away to users, if they bring it to me10:31
daftykinswell you'll have to - no OS will fix that lemon!10:32
lotuspsychjedaftykins: that thing doesnt has internet lol only modem, no eth and wifi10:32
daftykinshaha dialup days10:32
lotuspsychjejust tested lubuntu live, and runs fine10:32
TJ-PCMCIA ethernet adapters10:33
lotuspsychje128mb ram lol10:33
TJ-I still have some knocking around somewhere :)10:33
daftykinsit does not run fine :|10:33
lotuspsychjelubuntu 16.04 is magic daftykins10:33
daftykinsunless all you like to do is see a desktop drawn and nothing besides10:33
lotuspsychjewhat else will he do with that machine beside text and calculator10:34
daftykinsno that's utter rubbish, i proved this point a while back when i had a similar spec PII and put it on - it was dipping into swap immediately and was utterly useless10:34
daftykinsreplace with a nice notepad and real calculator then :>10:34
lotuspsychjedepends what to compare with it..10:34
daftykinsand a pencil :D10:34
lotuspsychjei wouldnt use it, but its his machine from school edu days10:35
lotuspsychjeits not my call here10:35
daftykinsclaiming it's usable though, you can't say that10:36
daftykinslubuntu does not polish a turd10:36
lotuspsychjedepends on wich standards daftykins10:37
lotuspsychjean old machine is an old machine10:37
lotuspsychjeyou have to keep use it as an old machine10:37
daftykinsthen giving them a Linux distro will invalidate that most likely10:37
lotuspsychjei gave him the choice of xp and lubuntu, saying that xp is eol10:38
lotuspsychjebattery broke, ram was missing, hd was broken..10:38
lotuspsychjei fixxed it, like he asked me to10:38
lotuspsychjecustomers choice right10:39
lotuspsychjeits his choice to find it unworkable or not, and buy a new one10:39
daftykinsthere are limits imo10:40
EriC^^howdy gentlemen10:40
daftykinsi'd love to hear the use-case though xD10:40
daftykinshey EriC^^ \o10:40
EriC^^hey daftykins o/10:40
lotuspsychjeill keep you informed on this one daftykins hehe10:40
lotuspsychjecurious also what he will do10:40
lotuspsychjehmmm that makes me think, i still got an old travelmate i could try lubuntu on!10:42
daftykinsthat old PII i tried died after a couple of lubuntu boots xD10:43
lotuspsychjecool its an amd 300010:45
daftykinswhat generation?10:46
lotuspsychjeacer aspire 135010:46
daftykinsnah the AMD 3000, is that an Athlon XP or newer?10:48
lotuspsychjethink its athlon xp yeah10:52
daftykinsoof scaffolders coming, gotta go clear the decks10:58
lotuspsychje!info lubuntu-tweak-tool11:27
ubot5Package lubuntu-tweak-tool does not exist in artful11:27
daftykinshaha there's nothing left to turn off ;)11:32
lotuspsychjeupdating 600mb11:33
daftykinsthey're disassembling it now, soon i'll have more light through the windows again :D11:53
lotuspsychjedaftykins: cool12:03
daftykinsand no more drunks climbing it on weekends and signing along to youtube right beside my bed! (that happened :P )12:04
daftykins(because he got up to the roof which is my bedroom)12:08
lubuntubox HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.13.0-32-generic i686 ** Distro: Ubuntu´ "xenial´" 16.04u´ ** CPU: 1 x Mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 796MHz ** RAM: Physical: 490.8MiB, 71.6% free ** Disk: Total: 36.1GiB, 86.1% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV280/M9+ [Mobility Radeon 9200 AGP] ** Sound: VIA8233 - VIA 82351: VIA82XX-MODEM - VIA 82XX modem ** Ethernet12:14
lubuntubox: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] ** Uptime: 6m 29s **12:14
lubuntuboxim old :p12:15
daftykinsand rubbish *cough*12:21
lubuntuboxyou mocking my shiny hardware?12:24
TJ-that's impressive, uptime 6 milleniums, 29 senturies :p12:30
lotuspsychjedinosaurs have the permission to survive!12:31
BluesKajHiyas all13:08
daftykins\o wb13:10
BluesKajHi daftykins13:10
oerheksmorning :-)13:12
BluesKajhey oerheks13:13
BluesKajdesktop was acting up, had to reboot13:18
BluesKajthere was a display and monitor upgrade waiting to take effect it seems13:20
lotuspsychjehey oerheks BluesKaj14:09
BluesKajhey lotuspsychje14:10
lotuspsychjecool stuff14:15
lotuspsychjehot news today14:29
TJ-it's been in the works for a while - the PTI patches are breaking all sorts of stuff and there are far too many regressions14:34
tomreynwayland would have been nice, but it's just not there, yet.15:06
tomreynand... nvidia is not ready15:06
lotuspsychjegood ol xorg to the rescue15:07
tomreynand to the much increased attack surface15:07
tomreynor rather, not decreased15:07
TJ-Not much point in reducing attack surface if it prevents users doing common operations from the GUI though. My point of view is reduced functionality or denying users to do something they explicitly could previously do is a Denial of Service15:09
tomreynnice POV. :) i'd say that remarkably impacting usability (as this early switch would surely do) would surely make people switch away from ubuntu (as has happened before when new technology was adopted / pushed just a little too early), and i guess that's enough of a reason not to.15:16
tomreynthe really good thing is: we'll have a choice on what to use. :)15:17
daftykinsgiven the lack of common features like that article refers to, it's more proof Wayland is just "new and shiny" and not ready imo15:20
daftykinsi say that firmly on the outside :D15:20
daftykinsdefinitely handy to make it easier to test with to provoke progress though i imagine15:21
lotuspsychjefedora is on wayland, do they also occur such issues?15:21
daftykinswell that whole distro is the experimental one :D15:22
TJ-lotuspsychje: see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Wayland_problems#Known_issues.2C_frequent_complaints.2C_fundamental_changes15:23
lotuspsychje!alis | Fint15:23
ubot5Fint: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see "/msg Alis help list" or ask in #freenode. Example usage: "/msg Alis list http"15:23
lotuspsychjetnx TJ-15:23
lotuspsychjealot of issues..15:24
TJ-The biggest issue re privileges is forcing applications to be re-written to use policy-kit ... what happens when that loses favour and something else comes along...? We've seen that so many times. Whereas running an application as root makes it portable15:25
oerhekslotuspsychje, bor3 got finally silenced15:26
FintSo what are you want to tell me ,at all15:27
lotuspsychjeFint: start with a question?15:27
Fintque stion15:28
Finthow to do it15:28
lotuspsychjeFint: you seem not to understand #ubuntu is for ubuntu support15:28
lotuspsychjeso lets discuss here what you want?15:28
FintI'm a newcomer15:29
lotuspsychjeFint: hi, im fint and i need...15:29
FintI'm Fint and i need knowledge15:30
daftykinsnot specific enough.15:30
lotuspsychjeFint: knowlegde of...?15:30
Fintto know more15:30
Fintthe web15:30
daftykinswrong place then15:31
TJ-Fint: for more about Ubuntu maybe this will help? http://cn.ubuntu.com/desktop/15:32
BluesKajTJ-:  that desu guy seems to think the linux suppoert chat is his personal blog..i don't understand why he hasn't been warned ,,filling up the chat offtopic crap, altho he does helo, occassionally15:36
TJ-BluesKaj: I don't notice it15:37
BluesKaji have him on ignore, maybe he backed off some15:38
immuhi friends16:37
immuhi eric16:53
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