[07:28] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:54] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje - how are you?
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse great and you?
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> trying to fix an old packard bell P3 128ram
[08:56] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks, having a quiet morning here
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> its installing xp right now, but the machine is designed for 2000
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu32 bit is next on the list :p
[08:59] <ducasse> it's not going to be a speed monster :)
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> no lol
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the users choice to repair an old machine
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> i mean customer
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> perhaps use as big calculator lol
[09:01] <ducasse> aha, right :)
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[09:51] <TJ-> morning :)
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: im happy the gods have heared my bug wishlist of systemd we talked about last time
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> canonical promised to speed up :p
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[09:57] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[09:57] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, TJ-
[09:58] <EriC^^> hi ducasse
[10:29] <daftykins> \o
[10:30] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: Pentium III !?
[10:30] <daftykins> surely that's not a clients
[10:30] <daftykins> that system should be dumped though, totally impractical for any modern, updated and secure OS
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hehe, this is not my call mate
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: im awaiting his answer
[10:31] <daftykins> mmm, but you can't knowingly work on XP for someone, since it's EOL
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i wont suggest throwing hardware away to users, if they bring it to me
[10:32] <daftykins> well you'll have to - no OS will fix that lemon!
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: that thing doesnt has internet lol only modem, no eth and wifi
[10:32] <daftykins> haha dialup days
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> just tested lubuntu live, and runs fine
[10:33] <TJ-> PCMCIA ethernet adapters
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> 128mb ram lol
[10:33] <TJ-> I still have some knocking around somewhere :)
[10:33] <daftykins> it does not run fine :|
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu 16.04 is magic daftykins
[10:33] <daftykins> unless all you like to do is see a desktop drawn and nothing besides
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> what else will he do with that machine beside text and calculator
[10:34] <daftykins> no that's utter rubbish, i proved this point a while back when i had a similar spec PII and put it on - it was dipping into swap immediately and was utterly useless
[10:34] <daftykins> replace with a nice notepad and real calculator then :>
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> depends what to compare with it..
[10:34] <daftykins> and a pencil :D
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> i wouldnt use it, but its his machine from school edu days
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> its not my call here
[10:36] <daftykins> claiming it's usable though, you can't say that
[10:36] <daftykins> lubuntu does not polish a turd
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> depends on wich standards daftykins
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> an old machine is an old machine
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> you have to keep use it as an old machine
[10:37] <daftykins> then giving them a Linux distro will invalidate that most likely
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> i gave him the choice of xp and lubuntu, saying that xp is eol
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> battery broke, ram was missing, hd was broken..
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> i fixxed it, like he asked me to
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> customers choice right
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> its his choice to find it unworkable or not, and buy a new one
[10:40] <daftykins> there are limits imo
[10:40] <EriC^^> howdy gentlemen
[10:40] <daftykins> i'd love to hear the use-case though xD
[10:40] <daftykins> hey EriC^^ \o
[10:40] <EriC^^> hey daftykins o/
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> ill keep you informed on this one daftykins hehe
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> curious also what he will do
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> hmmm that makes me think, i still got an old travelmate i could try lubuntu on!
[10:43] <daftykins> that old PII i tried died after a couple of lubuntu boots xD
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> cool its an amd 3000
[10:46] <daftykins> what generation?
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> acer aspire 1350
[10:48] <daftykins> nah the AMD 3000, is that an Athlon XP or newer?
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> think its athlon xp yeah
[10:57] <daftykins> daym
[10:58] <daftykins> oof scaffolders coming, gotta go clear the decks
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> !info lubuntu-tweak-tool
[11:32] <daftykins> haha there's nothing left to turn off ;)
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> updating 600mb
[11:53] <daftykins> they're disassembling it now, soon i'll have more light through the windows again :D
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: cool
[12:04] <daftykins> and no more drunks climbing it on weekends and signing along to youtube right beside my bed! (that happened :P )
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> uh?
[12:08] <daftykins> (because he got up to the roof which is my bedroom)
[12:14] <lubuntubox>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.13.0-32-generic i686 ** Distro: Ubuntu´ "xenial´" 16.04u´ ** CPU: 1 x Mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 796MHz ** RAM: Physical: 490.8MiB, 71.6% free ** Disk: Total: 36.1GiB, 86.1% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV280/M9+ [Mobility Radeon 9200 AGP] ** Sound: VIA8233 - VIA 82351: VIA82XX-MODEM - VIA 82XX modem ** Ethernet
[12:14] <lubuntubox> : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] ** Uptime: 6m 29s **
[12:15] <lubuntubox> im old :p
[12:21] <daftykins> and rubbish *cough*
[12:21] <daftykins> ;D
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[12:24] <lubuntubox> you mocking my shiny hardware?
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:30] <TJ-> that's impressive, uptime 6 milleniums, 29 senturies :p
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> dinosaurs have the permission to survive!
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:10] <daftykins> \o wb
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi daftykins
[13:12] <oerheks> morning :-)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks
[13:18] <BluesKaj> desktop was acting up, had to reboot
[13:20] <BluesKaj> there was a display and monitor upgrade waiting to take effect it seems
[13:24] <daftykins> o0
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks BluesKaj
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> https://www.deviantart.com/customization/screenshots/nix/newest/
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> cool stuff
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> OMG!
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/xorg-will-default-display-server-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default/
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-4-lts-delayed-due-to-meltdown-and-spectre-security-vulnerabilities-519572.shtml
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> hot news today
[14:34] <TJ-> it's been in the works for a while - the PTI patches are breaking all sorts of stuff and there are far too many regressions
[15:06] <tomreyn> wayland would have been nice, but it's just not there, yet.
[15:06] <tomreyn> and... nvidia is not ready
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> good ol xorg to the rescue
[15:07] <tomreyn> and to the much increased attack surface
[15:07] <tomreyn> or rather, not decreased
[15:09] <TJ-> Not much point in reducing attack surface if it prevents users doing common operations from the GUI though. My point of view is reduced functionality or denying users to do something they explicitly could previously do is a Denial of Service
[15:16] <tomreyn> nice POV. :) i'd say that remarkably impacting usability (as this early switch would surely do) would surely make people switch away from ubuntu (as has happened before when new technology was adopted / pushed just a little too early), and i guess that's enough of a reason not to.
[15:17] <tomreyn> the really good thing is: we'll have a choice on what to use. :)
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:20] <daftykins> given the lack of common features like that article refers to, it's more proof Wayland is just "new and shiny" and not ready imo
[15:20] <daftykins> i say that firmly on the outside :D
[15:21] <daftykins> definitely handy to make it easier to test with to provoke progress though i imagine
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> fedora is on wayland, do they also occur such issues?
[15:22] <daftykins> well that whole distro is the experimental one :D
[15:23] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Wayland_problems#Known_issues.2C_frequent_complaints.2C_fundamental_changes
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> !alis | Fint
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> tnx TJ-
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> alot of issues..
[15:25] <TJ-> The biggest issue re privileges is forcing applications to be re-written to use policy-kit ... what happens when that loses favour and something else comes along...? We've seen that so many times. Whereas running an application as root makes it portable
[15:26] <oerheks> lotuspsychje, bor3 got finally silenced
[15:27] <Fint> So what are you want to tell me ,at all
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> Fint: start with a question?
[15:28] <Fint> que stion
[15:28] <Fint> how to do it
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> Fint: you seem not to understand #ubuntu is for ubuntu support
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> so lets discuss here what you want?
[15:29] <Fint> I'm a newcomer
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> Fint: hi, im fint and i need...
[15:30] <Fint> I'm Fint and i need knowledge
[15:30] <daftykins> not specific enough.
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> Fint: knowlegde of...?
[15:30] <Fint> to know more
[15:30] <Fint> the web
[15:31] <daftykins> wrong place then
[15:32] <TJ-> Fint: for more about Ubuntu maybe this will help? http://cn.ubuntu.com/desktop/
[15:32] <Fint> thankyou
[15:36] <BluesKaj> TJ-:  that desu guy seems to think the linux suppoert chat is his personal blog..i don't understand why he hasn't been warned ,,filling up the chat offtopic crap, altho he does helo, occassionally
[15:37] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I don't notice it
[15:38] <BluesKaj> i have him on ignore, maybe he backed off some
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[16:37] <immu> hi friends
[16:53] <immu> hi eric