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[04:19] <tgBot1> Mark Piercey was added by: Mark Piercey
 Is Ubuntu touch still continues?
 of course, still continues 😊 that's because it's free software
 I want it for new device
 Can it be possible on mtk
 @maharudra108, mtk is the worst option to go for
 mtk is hard to maintain and support. please use snapdragon
 @wayneoutthere, Thanks you and Joe for the latest update.  Keep 'em coming
 @vanyasem, If i try will u guys help me?
 @maharudra108, make sure you have the appropriate trees before buying the phone
 usually MTK phones don't have /vendor and /device trees, which is why it is impossible (or extremely hard) to port/maintain such devices
 @Mark Piercey, Hello mark. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @vanyasem, I have all and working
 @maharudra108, Then go ahead
 Without guide i can't do
 And this is not like cm compiling that's why asked for your support
 @Mark Piercey, Hello Mark. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
[08:48] <tgBot1> gopalesagar was added by: gopalesagar
 @maharudra108, There is a guide
 @maharudra108, http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/
 @gopalesagar, Hello Sagar. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @maharudra108, Ivan is right. MTK is closed proprietary. Only manufacturers have access, under non-disclosure agreements. That is why you are meeting scepticism
 @NSA_AMERICA, ? Halium
 Halium is a compatibility layer to allow installation of Ubuntu Touch 16.04
 All ports start with Halium
 @maharudra108, Halium is the base for running gnu
 Okay
 I am confused what to do to sync phablet source as described in halium 5.1
 @maharudra108, Just do what it says
 @maharudra108, Can you share which phone you have in mind?
 What's the status of the Printer menu in the Xenial images? Ultra alpha.
 @Stereofont, Micromax Unite 2(a106)
 Is there a ubports server for nexus 5x
 ?
 No port for 5x yet but it will come
 Yeah but I mean like a server to discuss in
 I think they're called groups on telegram
 @maharudra108, 1Gb of RAM is a serious problem
[11:55] <tgBot1> nerdinc was added by: nerdinc
 @nerdinc, Welcome Erdinc! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 hi
 What is your first language, Erdinc?
 turkish langue
 my phone meizu pro5
 @UBportsTR
 thnx
 Great. Are you running Ubuntu Touch on it? Is it your only phone?
 yes 15.04 v3 install
 Great
 thx
 16.04 and Anbox are still very experimental and under construction. Definitely not right for a main phone. They will arrive properly 'soon' ™
 Are you a developer?
 yes denedim  … It did not work
 I've tried
 It can get busy in here so it is a good idea to join the news channel, to avoid missing important things @ubports_news
 Any programming skills?
 I don't think there are any videos in Turkish, showing generally how the Ubuntu Touch system works
 moderate php  … but i have been using ubuntu for 3 years. little english. but there may be minor situations where I can help. I am satisfied.
 English is acceptable
 Ve can help for englishh to Other friends
 @archi_dagac, We have two install videos. We need more 'how it works' videos
 Big part of our group, not have ubuntu touch device
 @nerdinc is first
 @archi_dagac, Yes I know. Moto G Titan 2014 and Zuk2 may be possible in Turkey?
 Some
 Maybe motoG in group
 I dont know anybody using zuk2 in group
 Only one specific Moto G
 We are UBportsTR Ubuntu touch group but we are not have ubuntu touch compatible device 😂😔
 @archi_dagac, Perhaps check availability?  It is not ready yet but I think ot will be a 'community' device
 We translated it to Turkish but We cant use ubuntu touch 😂
 İs there any image for our using by QEMU or Chroot?
 We want use
 Florian's Samsung 3 Neo is also a surprise
 @Stereofont, I have s3 i9300
 @archi_dagac, ?
 Nothing published for Neo yet
 I can use on my phone or laptop, by qemu or chroot
 Slowly there are some options appearing which provide for a wider geography
 UbuntuTouch.img ?
 @archi_dagac, Sorry, I don't understand the request
 For using on qemu or chroot, we want ubuntutouch operating sistem image
 Plasma mobile has iso files for installation
 @archi_dagac, A different type of architecture. Unity 7 is for either but only part of the mixture. Also, there is nothing like an emulator yet
 We can use Any pre installed image on qemu
 @treesRsilent, Our pleasure!
 @archi_dagac, It needs a more technical explanation than I can give. Hopefully someone will fill in on detail later
[12:33] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Question related to apps: what is the recommendation logging? As I understand, using ”clickable logs” basically tails a log file produced by the app. And all my ”qDebug” messages are logged to this file. I use ifdefs to turn it on/off - when releasing the app, should i leave the debug messages on or off by default? Do i risk filling up space with logs or are they cleared out every once and a while?
 Where can I find the distro-watch link?
 @nerdinc, You know php so let me tag @mariogrip 🤣🤣🤣🤣
[13:13] <tgBot1> juanadn was added by: juanadn
 @unknown, https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=links#new
 @juanadn, Hello Juan. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Hello, I want to install ubuntu on my Nexus 5 with lineage os. If I install it I will lost TWRP?
 Or I will return to lineage easily installing it with TWRP?
 Thanks
 UT does not use TWRP so that will be wiped and replaced with UBports recovery. Obviously you can go back to Lineage at a later date, by wiping and reinstalling TWRP
 There is an 'on the edge' dual boot around but definitely not recommended
 Oks thanks
 @Stereofont, Thank you 👍+1
 Hello, is there a way to get push notifications for Telegram again? For over a month this does not work anymore. Or is this a prob specifically for my brand, Meizu?
 How does Ubuntu touch work with the whole android partition system (/system) or does it wipe all that out?
[13:44] <tgBot1> Ted Iorbee was added by: Ted Iorbee
 @Ted Iorbee, [In reply to Juan] … Hello Ted. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @savetier, It should be working as far as I know. Have you signed into Ubuntu One? That is needed for push to work. Otherwise use UTtweaktool to clear TG cache and/or reinstall app.
 Someone else can add/correct this if not complete.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/bONPPQyc/file_3937.jpg
 @savetier, That's about when the push server moved from Canonical. Did you install the OTA3 update? (That knows about the move.)
 @JoshuaAshton, Here is my partition setup if that helps.
 @savetier, Rudi had similar problems but FP2?
 w6w
 I just got `sudo: unable to execute /bin/cp: Argument list too long` … `Hangup`
 @JoshuaAshton, The halium group?
 @archi_dagac, You can use unity8 stack on 16.04 vm in qemu, but is not exactly same as phone images
 @dohbee, Thünks but we want phone system
 @savetier, Are you still on canonical image?
 Like bluestacks ır android sdk emulatır
 No, there is no such thing.
 Ubports doesn't build images for the Android emulator
 Would need someone to maintain that and do the work
 @dohbee, Just ün example
 I will use qemu or chroot
 @archi_dagac, As @dohbee said the unity8 stack is as close as you will get really. You wouldn't need the telphony-stack, android HAL and other phone related suff in qemu as it wouldn't be functional
 I just want use some ubuntu touch
 @Crash_Burn, Thank you for your help. The clearing cache and re-login to UbuntuOne solved the problem :)
 I am admin of @UBportsTR but I never used  Ubuntu touch.
 We cant find a cheap device.
 So, I think I can use on qemu or chroot + vnc
 @archi_dagac, Then install the unity8-desktop-session on xenial in qemu and you will get an idea of what it's like
 @DanChapman, Telephony stack can be useful for testing. But the Android stuff is what makes bits different
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bRtWKJLR/file_3939.jpg
 Like this
 Huh
 What the heck is that?
 😳
 LinuxDeploy on Android + VNC wiever
 I think it's LXDE on Android in chroot in VNC client
 yes
 1440x2560
 man i'd need better glasses for that
 ok
 @DanChapman, :DDD
 I cant set the density good
 Only solution is low resolution for me now
 @archi_dagac, The Data Display Debugger is a very good pair of glasses 😆
 @garrogarri, :DDD = 😂 … :D 😂😂😂
 i mean, sure, you can install the unity8-desktop-session inside a chroot on an android device and run it in the same way you do with lxde, and you will get roughly the same thing as running it in a VM
 but you won't get the android hal bits working
 @dohbee, probably not, unless Mir can run headless with VNC
 @Stereofont, I have zram too
 i think it can, but it's not trivial to do
 and probably not worth the time
 @Stereofont, Please stop saying this. It's absolutely not true.
 @dohbee, Really @dohbee
 Yes. The bq E4.5 and E5 are 1GB devices.
 they work fine
 Okay
 @NSA_AMERICA told me to go for halium first
 @dohbee, Florian expressed that view yesterday. I will leave it to the two of you to discuss
 @maharudra108, You have to build halium first, and halium is the support group for that
 What is the other way actually? Running Ubuntu on libhybris?
 @Stereofont, I can understand it had low ram but for learning purpose i can work on it
 @NSA_AMERICA, Alright i will talk here about ubuntu after building halium
 @maharudra108, Yes
 @flohack
 ugh i hate telegram UX sometimes
 @flohack can we please stop with the "omg! 1gb is awful!" stance? yeah, it's not great, but telling people they can't port to a device with 1gb is not good. it's certainly possible, and memory usage issues need worked on, not ignored. more people with low end devices on ubuntu will help push for fixing things, rather than continuing to ignore the issues. :)
 tbh i would rather have people working on relatively high-end phones that can actually do convergence, then support more low-end hardware (by todays standard)
 yeah at some point it should run on my hpverr and hppre3
 @rogieroudshoorn, Well, you are welcome to buy relatively high-end hardware and donate to all the people who don't have access to it. Nobody is stopping you from doing so.
 Sorry, but that is not a core principle of Ubuntu, to only support high-end hardware.
 and frankly, for some people, 1GB RAM is the high end hardware
 @dohbee, Ok thanks
 An raspberry-orenge pi mobile device?
 This can be compulsion to someone to working on low end hardware
 @archi_dagac, really, you should just install unity8-desktop-session in a qemu, and start playing there. some things will be missing, but at least you will be able to test a fair bit of your work in the meanwhile
 But it is ubuntu
 Our target Ubuntu touch OS
 @archi_dagac, the trick here (and on the librem5) is to get a full working stack, without the android container layer and HAL. this is going to be a lot of work, however
 (Photo, 1280x437) https://irc.ubports.com/UULEeaw6/file_3941.jpg
 What a font :)
 ubuntu is ubuntu. the whole point of convergence is there is no difference between ubuntu on a pc and ubuntu on a phone
 granted, that ideal is dead from the official ubuntu side at this point, but it is what ubports is about
 @dohbee, Density and mobile apps :(
 there are always going to be some small differences though
 @archi_dagac, i don't understand?
 unity8 stack is scalable UI, so density isn't supposed to matter
 and apps are supposed to be converged, to work on PC/tablet/phone/whatever
 İf I run ubuntu, I probably have density issue on phone
 Dear forum, please let me know how can I save my messages on Mac OS X before reinstalling the system
 no
 @dohbee, I will try it :)
 if you run ubports on a phone, you are running ubuntu
 if you run ubports on a pc, you are running ubuntu
 @dohbee, I don't think anyone is argueing that at all; but when i look at hardware that runs it, i consider all of that low end. I think we have more to gain by spending time on the high end (or even phones you can actually buy new) then by supporting more low end old phones
 then again, i realize that finding new developers for it is the most important thing right now - which kinda means we need whomever wants to try on his device to actually do so and push whatever intermediate results to public github
[15:58] <tgBot1> Gashaak was added by: Gashaak
 Can try ubports on oppo f1s?
 Hi @Gashaak! I'm part of the Welcome Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for all the important information. If you have any question, feel free to ask, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @Gashaak, That isn't a supported phone and unfortunately it has a Mediatek processor, which is closed proprietary. On that basis it doesn't look like a realistic option for private porting
 @Gashaak, See @rogieroudshoorn u got new dev with new device(perhaps)
 @rogieroudshoorn, The other problem here is new phones high end phones are even more expensive, too. While older phones can be had at decent prices on ebay. Plus, people may have older phones, and upgraded to a new main phone, and decide they wish to port ubuntu to their old phone.
 while sure, it would be nice to have more newer and high end devices, it's no reason to discourage those who with to port to older or lower end devices, if it's possible to do so
 besides, if ubuntu gets faster and more reliable on low end hardware, think how much better it's going to be on the really powerful stuff
 @Stereofont, if it has kernel source, it's possible with enough work
 @dohbee, I think we're dealing with semantics.  I think everyone here would agree 'all phones on UT is best' however, if we were only able to port to just 1 device well, would we port to an old 500MB RAM phone or a new 4GB RAM phone?  I think the answer would be unanimous if we were focusing on 'what is best for the future of UT" question
 I think 'a phone you can get in your geographical area and which is used by quite a lot of people' is a good place to start. 'The phone I have in my pocket now' seems a random way of making a decision about what to port, since that choice was made on a different basis
 OnePlus phones seem to be a good decision
 One thing is sad, that they don't have mhl or slimport support. … Maybe they do it in future devices if we can raise attention. Like the missing NFC on OP2
 is it possible to reinstall ubuntu touch on bq with ubport installer on mac os x?
 so far it looks like for me it is usuful only to install on an android phone, not on an already existing ubuntu os
 @Popesz, Should be possible as well. I did it various times.
 Can I ask something: if I buy an used Nexus 5 to try Ubuntu Touch, can it run anbox or we have to wait because only meizu pro 5 is supporter at the moment? Thanks
 Some issues with Qualcomm rendering are holding up the support
 @UniversalSuperBox, Is that possible to resolve ourselfs or do we depend on Qualcomm?
 It's something that we need to do
 A color space problem, a bit outside of my understanding
 @wayneoutthere, Now that is semantics.
 @dohbee, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 @jonny, can you help me how to make it? when ubport installer asks me to restart the phone to bootloader, whateever i chose - recovery mode or fastboot mode - nothing happens.
 @Popesz, looks like now it managed, before ubport installer did not recognize my phone at all
 @Popesz did you run the installer with admin rights? I am not 100 sure but I think this is required
 no i did not, but ubport asks for admin password so I think it uses sudo in un background
 now the phone has remained in fastboot mode and can not restart it :)
 I had similar experience - I then tried it again one or two times and then with admin rights and it somehow made it then...
 this forum thread could possibly help you https://forums.ubports.com/topic/788/installing-on-nexus-5/2 - it is for nexus 5 but ...sorry I did not catch the info what is your device?
 thanks will dig myself into it
 any idea how i can force restarting in normal mode my phone when in fastboot mode?
 Yeah, hold down the power button
 already 30 sec i am holding it
 and releasing too :)
 fastboot reboot
 @Popesz, If the flash works you should allow it to reboot on its own
 looks like the phone has frozen in fastboot mode
 Click a welcome link anywhere here if you want to visit the welcome and install room
 hope not bricked
 It won't be bricked. The installer may fail but not do damage
 @Popesz well if holding power doesnt' reboot it, it sounds a little disconcerning. .... wait until battery runs out and cross your fingers
 at least something positive. looks like again i have to unplug the battery
 Try to press the 3 buttons 30 seconds or more.
 the phone is bricked, the 3 button trick did the job, but when i power it on it just flashes very weakly and that is it
 did you try to run fastboot tool from pc while it is connected?
 i have only Mac unfortunately
 Correct me when I am  wrong but I think when the boot in the phone is screwed it usually tries to boot from usb?
 strange, looks like it looses battery or at least it thniks it is empty
 it was on 67% just a minute ago, now it indicates 1%
 ok, boots up
 Is it hot?
 not at all
 basically I replaced my touchscreen as it was broken
 but that is all, the battery should not have any problem
 Ok I will charge a bit and retry to reinstall the system. The only reason I want to do it as my contact app does not work
 it switches off after 30 seconds of loading on blank white screen
 and can not find the app itself to reinstall. In the basic apps it is not listed
 OK
 i hope it solves the issue
 ok if you get it to fastboot then let it be connected like it while running the installer and it should start recovery mode automatically and do everything that is needed
 so just to be sure: i connect the phone in normal mode to ubport installer, it reboots in fastboot mode and leave it until it restarts in recovery mode?
 IIRC that is how I installed it...also try to look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuLFTGkuD68
 by the way now from 5% jumped to 65%
 i saw the video but it is related to android, is not it?
 My bet is that the process somehow confused the battery monitor circuit..
 but when I run the battery test, all looks ok
 @Popesz, Don't believe those numbers...
 well the video is about installing ubports on android device...if you already have other system then I am not sure if it is applicable but I think it should be - the fastboot and recovery should work the same still IMO..
 I had it switched off and connected to my charger, than it showed 5%. I unplugged it and connceted to my computer , and it just jumped to 65%
 oh yes and my phone is in developer mode, this should not be the problem
 It should not be a problem - the battery monitoring is not that simple - it rememberes how the battery holds on different charge levels and maybe that data was lost - I am not sure where it is stored but it will be regenerated with next charge - discharge cycle..
 uNav update change log:
 Migrated to OSRM. Is this the new routing driver you guys opted for?
 @Popesz, The UBports installer asks you to put the device into bootloader  manually, after you select it. The  reboot later is automatic and happens after the flash
 @TartanSpartan, "you guys" ? the dev of unav makes the decisions of what to do with it
 that is what i thought, but now again the ubport installer changed my phone to fastbood mode by itself, did not have to do anything
 again black screen
 and nothing happens
 Well, from the YouTube comminity updates, it sounded like there was a conversation to be had on where to move forward with it.
 on the bottom only written fastboot mode
 ok, i gave up, probably the best idea to connect it to an ubuntu pc
 Perhaps @Flohack can advise on my query too?
 Hi all, I am considering substituting my bq. Does LG Nexus 5X H791 accept Ubports? Best regards.
 @giovanniiannotti, It will be available at some point but not yet. Either wait or choose something else?
 An off topic: is the gmail app somewhere still available?
 @giovanniiannotti, The nexus 5 is smooth and resresponsive
 @giovanniiannotti, 5X isn't supported, though
 @Popesz, I'm not positive but I think dekko2 is the only mail apollo with current support
 @Popesz, Dekko 2 handles Gmail. You just have to disable two factor authentication
 @Popesz, It isn't off topic 😀
 I use dekko, just miss a bit the gmail app. Maybe should move on
 @Stereofont, Thank you all. I may choose the regular n5
 I do see the value of it, when you think that Dekko has a few bugs which might hinder the experience. I don't think the click app is available anywhere, but I think to generate a clone of it using Web App Creator would be quite simple for you to for for your own personal use.
 *for you to do
 @giovanniiannotti, The Moto G 2014 Tiitan is a community project, not in the main list. Also worth considering
 @Popesz, It was just a webapp.
 @Stereofont, Thanks!!
 By the way I think Blackberry Q10 non-LTE could be interesting device for port. It should have TI OMAP4470 CPU for which documentation is available with most of its registers defined. The device has quite small screen though..
 @Andrissk, I think Kris had some ideas about that. With convergence it could be interesting
 Did he try it? I wonder if blackbarry os devices are harder to flash custom rom on than android devices..
 Hello, should the fastboot provided by Canonical on MX4 allow to do a fastboot flash ?
 @KrisJacewicz, This
 It was just an idea I think
[21:53] <tgBot1> Lizumba was added by: Lizumba
 New member party dance!  Hello and welcome @Lizumba .
 @Lizumba, Hello Luiz. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 @TartanSpartan, WHat query
 Sorry guys I am in the US now, working 10hrs a day ;)
 I have no time to catch up everything
 @dohbee @Stereofont I did  not say "OMG 1GB AWFUL!!1!!", I said: No, I dont think that 512MB is worth porting for, since unity8 currently has a mem footprint of 800MB and thats already on the edge for 1GB devices. Yes, UT ru ns in E5, but I had this phone for over 2 years on daily, and I am tired of having to re-load apps constantly since they get kicked out of RAM. If you would know me a bit by now you would know that I do not do biased judgements
[22:54] <tgBot1> feelings ;)
 Because someone was askign to port to a 512MB device, and he better should not start it.
 Then, I agree I would love to see a fluent UT on 1G devices. But, it´s not a thing now, and nobody is doing that needed mem optimizations. We need approx 5-10 developers just for unity8 keepalive, and we dont see them coming. So we must face it: 1GB is lower limit for UT, and not a real good UX
 Well I would agree that 512 MB is probably not an efficient use of time as far as device porting goes, right now
 but @Stereofont was discouraging porting of a 1GB device, and I think if someone wants to port such a device, we should be helpful there, rather than saying it is not worthwhile
 RAM is not the reason for all slowness or lack of fluidity
 and if we get some more devices in the 1-1.5 GB range, I think we'll also get more devs able to test on such devices, and thus willing to help fix certain issues that are RAM related
 port for moto E2 surnia ubuntu touch
 ?