[00:49] <CoJaBo> valorie: so, the xubuntu bionic 31-bit iso's installer is apparently broken too >_>
[00:50] <valorie> I've been reading the BR and yeah
[00:50] <CoJaBo> I did an "erase existing and install using LVM"; it gets most of the way thru, then complains about GRUB not being able to be installed on "/dev/dm" or maybe it was "/dev/dm0"
[00:51] <valorie> you might add your info to https://launchpad.net/bugs/1744357
[00:51] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1745118 in linux (Ubuntu Artful) "duplicate for #1744357 Unable to boot with i386 4.13.0-25 / 4.13.0-26 / 4.13.0-31 kernel on Xenial / Artful" [High,Triaged]
[00:51] <CoJaBo> It then asks for an alternate device, but none of the options make the "OK" button do anything at all; the install hangs at that point
[00:52] <CoJaBo> Installing grub manually does appear to result in a working system, tho it seems to have left a few junk packages remaining.. I think that's the best I'm gonna get tho lol
[00:52] <CoJaBo> IHAVEATASKBAROMG
[00:55] <valorie> congratulations
[00:55] <valorie> this might be a separate bug
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> morning flocculant :p
[05:56] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: morning :)
[05:56] <flocculant> glad I now know that the 32 bit issues I see is a kernel bug and infinity was right :p
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> aha
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> cool you guys found it
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: everything on schedule for bionic?
[05:58] <flocculant> for us it is pretty much, few more things to get in iirc
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> did we pass alpha1
[05:59] <flocculant> there was no alpha1
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> ah
[05:59] <flocculant> xubuntu doesn't do alphas anyway 
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> so we just follow the stream as it goes?
[06:00] <flocculant> yea - we do join in for beta 1
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> cool
[13:07] <barcode> are ubuntu 18 package versions already frozen (the schedule is after FeatureDefinitionFreeze but before FeatureFreeze)?
[13:30] <barcode> i have a question regarding ubuntu 18: will versions of included packages change for the final release? (e.g. cmake is 3.9 at on the nightly. will it be 3.10 on the final release?) 
[14:22] <barcode> are ubuntu 18 package versions already frozen (the schedule is after FeatureDefinitionFreeze but before FeatureFreeze)? if ubuntu 18 package versionss are not frozen, where can i request for a package to be updated for the final release?
[14:32] <teward> barcode: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule is relevant.
[14:33] <teward> depending on the nature of what you're looking to get 'updated', it may or may not happen.  File a request for the package to be updated as a bug *against* the package in question.
[18:05] <Volkodav> Is it about time to give it a spin on one of my boxes? How is it so far? Any known showstoppers?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: pretty stable on my side on xorg
[18:06] <Volkodav> Did you test skype printers all that evil?
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: the wayland session is still worked on
[18:07] <Volkodav> Does it give a choice what to use?
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: my hp works pretty nice after adding it in gnome
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: at login the choice is given xorg or wayland, for some systems
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: nvidia has issues on wayland
[18:07] <Volkodav> hp is one of the best with linux from the very old days
[18:08] <Volkodav> I stickwith Brother since they started offering drivers
[18:08] <Volkodav> Well I have nvidia on that box 
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: well the xorg/nouveau session might work nice
[18:09] <Volkodav> well may as well stay with xorg for a while before they figure it out
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: we just had the news xorg will be by default on final release
[18:10] <Volkodav> I guess it's good news huh?
[18:10] <Volkodav> wayland is still too rough around the edges ...
[18:11] <Volkodav> Does it work for anybody ?
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: sure
[18:11] <Volkodav> older machines I guess?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: no, au contraire newer machines with higher specs, but depends also on the graphics
[18:12] <Volkodav> any flavors on daily images? Let me see
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: im testing/bug ubuntu-desktop main flavor
[18:14] <Volkodav> I actually run xfce on ubuntu install was thinking of maybe wiping it out just go with xubuntu to get rid of some blob
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: we need all kinds of testers on more flavors
[18:16] <Volkodav> well it's just one image so far
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: just keep in mind we still in development branch right, things 'could' still break
[18:17] <Volkodav> I don't mind I've been playing with alphas for last 14 years as far as I remember 
[18:18] <Volkodav> I remember the switch from kernel 2.8 to 2.10 for some reason - seemed like a bid deal back then
[18:18] <Volkodav> :)
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: think they gonna skip alpha1
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: so just keeping our systems up to date until beta1
[18:20] <Volkodav> why so?
[18:20] <Volkodav> looks like a rolling release type of deal
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: no, its another reason
[18:22] <Volkodav> lotuspsychje:  you meant Alpha 2 
[18:22] <Volkodav> What was that fuss with BIOS on the current?
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> !intelbug
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> !lenovobug
[18:23] <ubottu> The original release of Ubuntu 17.10 contained a bug that makes firmware memory read-only. See https://pad.lv/1734147 for more info. This bug has been fixed in 17.10's repositories (so upgrades are safe) and new ISOs have been released (look for 17.10.1 in the filename).
[18:23] <flocculant> :)
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> hey flocculant 
[18:23] <flocculant> hi lotuspsychje 
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> we miss you on discuss flocculant :p
[18:24] <Volkodav> lotuspsychje: Any idea when the flavors are due?
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> one for you flocculant ^
[18:31] <flocculant> Volkodav: xubuntu is due at the same time all flavours are ;) also you'll not see an Xubuntu Alpha of any description, we only do Beta 1 onwards
[18:32] <Volkodav> flocculant: Thanks I'll wait till Beta 1 then
[18:33] <flocculant> Volkodav: ok up to you - it's pretty stable for me (and I run xubuntu bionic plus our 'officialish' ppas with it 
[18:59] <daddy0> bionic was locking me up daily, and rebooting with MCE errors.   ive gone back to xenial for few days now and its all good again
[19:00] <daddy0> older cpu e6700, 8gb ram, nvidia drivers
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> daddy0: did you try nouveau on xorg?
[19:01] <daddy0> no just the nv blob every time i reinstalled
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> daddy0: nvidia is a no-go with wayland
[19:02] <daddy0> 3d games were working fine, for what thats worth
[21:13] <J03Y> can someone link me to a relatively stable release?
[21:13] <J03Y> my bionic beaver is about ready to take a pwder
[21:13] <J03Y> thats puttin it nicely
[21:14] <J03Y> sumpn aint right
[21:14] <J03Y> it lasted 30 days lol
[21:14] <J03Y> could be my fault i did touch some stuff
[21:15] <J03Y> no? ooook then....going with daily/nightly again
[21:28] <hggdh> J03Y: Bionic is Alpha... if you really want something stable, it is 16.04 or 17.10
[21:29] <hggdh> J03Y: and you can get the current "version" just by running "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[21:31] <nacc> although a vague "i did touch some stuff" doesn't give me much confidence
[21:34] <TJ-> maybe the stuff-in fell out?
[21:35] <nacc> TJ-: :)
[22:23] <J03Y> its dragging slow, clicking a torrent link no longer opens transmission, somehow the browser cache seems to have been deleted, sound/hdmi/bluetooth no longer works like it did, i am not sure if my gf may have had a root terminal while i was asleep
[22:23] <J03Y> so i am re-installing
[22:24] <J03Y> also i dont have an HDD so this was on a USB 3.0 stick and it may be failing
[22:24] <J03Y> ive got it on a DVD but it loads up slow as christmas
[22:25] <J03Y> meh, i am gunna whipe it with dd dev/zeros D/L a new image
[22:36] <valorie> J03Y: you can just zsync to your HD, rather than re-downloading