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didrocksgood morning07:26
dufluMorning didrocks07:28
didrockshey duflu07:29
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:32
oSoMoNand happy Monday!07:32
dufluHello oSoMoN07:37
didrockssalut oSoMoN07:38
oSoMoNhey duflu, salut didrocks07:39
seb128good morning desktopers08:27
didrockshey willcooke08:46
dufluwillcooke    \o08:46
seb128hey willcooke duflu08:46
seb128had a good w.e?08:46
seb128duflu, how was australian day?08:47
dufluseb128, for most people good. But around here, more hard work than fun08:47
willcookedidrocks, Trying to log in to a gnome session in an 18.04 vm, but I dont have the little cog to change session, what did I do wrong?08:48
didrockswillcooke: you only have one session installed, correct, or did you install gnome-session?08:50
willcookedidrocks, I installed gnome-session08:51
willcookeWant to make a point on a bugzilla bug :)08:51
didrockswillcooke: rebooted in between, I guess?08:51
seb128willcooke, did you restart gdm after installing gnome-session?08:51
willcookeman I suk08:52
seb128no, gdm sucks :p08:52
didrocksyeah, gdm doesn't pick up new session files dynamically08:52
seb128you shouldn't have to restart08:52
seb128but yeah, there we are...08:52
willcookeon the plus side, it didnt occur to me to reboot because, on the whole, these things just work08:52
willcookesilver cloud etc08:53
willcookethere we go, gnome session08:53
willcookeand gnome font08:53
willcookeaaaaand a big failure in my plan, because my VM doesnt have a wifi nic08:53
willcookeok, going to log out and try it on this one08:53
didrocksspeaking of which…08:56
didrockswe'll need to investigate to force gdm on X, while having the Wayland session proposed08:56
didrocksas when you disable wayland on gdm, it blacklists the wayland user sessions08:56
didrockswe'll probably need a patch for this08:56
seb128we could keep gdm on wayland?08:56
seb128we don't go away from wayland for reasons that impact the greeter08:57
didrocksare we sure it's that safe/consistent?08:57
didrocksyeah, that's true enough08:57
didrockswe could keep it likt his08:57
didrocksforget about it thus ;)08:57
seb128not sure no, I did't think about it much08:57
seb128but you are right, it puts a stack different from our default/most supported one in the boot path08:58
seb128at the same time I don't think wayland/gdm creates us issues so it wouldn't be crazy to keep it08:58
didrocksyeah, we'll need to think about it, the best answer is maybe "let's no do anything"08:58
didrockswe juste need to be cogniscent about this08:58
seb128do you want to add a trello card for that?08:58
didrocksyeah, just for bookkeeping08:59
didrocksseb128: https://trello.com/c/zKYtpgyZ/194-take-a-decision-if-we-keep-gdm-running-under-wayland09:00
seb128didrocks, thanks09:00
seb128good morning Laney, happy fosdem week!09:03
seb128how are you?09:03
didrocksgood morning Laney!09:03
Laneyhey seb128 didrocks09:04
Laneyhappy fosdem week to you too!09:05
xnoxmorning =)09:05
Laneyi'm alright thanks, you?09:05
Laneyhey xnox09:05
Laneyhow's it going?09:05
dufluHello Laney, xnox, world09:05
xnoxLaney, https://twitter.com/tdlk/status/957902966996029441 =) look what I found in Tokyo about #FOSDEM09:07
Laneyit is actually the same delerium09:09
Laneyhey duflu, you good?09:09
Laneyhave a nice .au day?09:09
dufluLaney, yeah it was OK :)09:10
seb128Laney, I'm good thanks :)09:11
seb128a bit tired but that is normal state nowadays09:11
Laneygive it 10 years09:11
didrocksxnox: nice, in which area?09:12
xnoxdidrocks, Ginza I believe, not far from Kabukiza09:12
didrocksinteresting, I wouldn't have said Ginza would be the place where you find this kind of pub :)09:16
xnoxdidrocks, for me it was the first time in Japan, so everything was confusing and exciting =)09:23
didrocksheh ;)09:26
willcookeright, really am logging in to the other session now, brb09:32
andyrockgood morning10:07
willcookehi andyrock10:07
didrocksok, my best bet now at gdm not starting is due to:10:13
didrocksauth could not identify password for [gdm]10:14
didrocksI do have though: /etc/pam.d/gdm-autologin10:14
didrockswith authoptionalpam_gdm.so10:14
didrocks$ ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_gdm.so10:15
didrocks-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6120 oct.  11 18:57 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_gdm.so10:15
seb128did anything got upgraded in that stack?10:16
didrocksdidn't find anything pam-related: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26482861/10:17
didrocksso, I did in addition to this dist-upgrade purge a lot of packages on Friday: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26482869/10:21
didrocksI see on this long-lived install that it did purge a gdm package10:21
didrocksmaybe there was a conffile in common between gdm3 and gdm and it did purge that one?10:21
* didrocks tries to purge and reinstall gdm310:24
GunnarHjGood morning, Laney! After having talked with Debian, we came up with this as regards the libpinyin upload stuck in -proposed:10:25
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1735362 in ibus-libpinyin (Ubuntu) "Replace ibus-sunpinyin with ibus-libpinyin" [Medium,In progress]10:25
GunnarHjCan you please help to get it in?10:25
didrocksok, it works10:26
didrocksso, my theory is that purging very old packages, like gdm, had a conffiles in common with gdm3, and so removed it10:26
didrocksnothing impact real artful users, hopefully ;)10:27
Laneyhi GunnarHj10:33
Laneyok, we can probably skip those tests10:33
GunnarHjLaney: Great!10:34
GunnarHjLaney: Of course, it means that libzhuyin needs to be removed fast, because once libpinyin is in, I suppose it's no longer possible to rebuild libzhuyin.10:35
GunnarHjLaney: Thanks! :)10:36
LaneyIf someone tries to upload libzhuyin source they'll get some kind of error or other10:36
Laneyso yeah, do follow up on it being removed10:36
GunnarHjWill do.10:36
oSoMoNcan someone with powerz re-run the failed autopkgtest for glm? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/bionic/update_excuses.html#glm11:07
didrocksoSoMoN: done11:13
oSoMoNthanks didrocks !11:15
didrocksyw ;)11:15
GunnarHjsil2100: Hi Łukasz, you should set "Language pack base" at this page:11:36
GunnarHjso LP starts exporting delta tarballs.11:36
sil2100GunnarHj: oh, I didn't know I can do it, I poked Colin and William on Friday but maybe they missed the ping11:43
sil2100GunnarHj: is it ok now?11:44
sil2100(yeah, looks like I had the power to do that in the end)11:44
GunnarHjsil2100: Yes, looks good to me.11:45
jbichadidrocks: Debian Stretch and Ubuntu GNOME for a few releases had gdm use Wayland by default where available but the default session was stil the GNOME on Xorg11:47
jbichagood morning11:48
GunnarHjsil2100: That page is where you later (soon before the release) can check "Request a full language pack export". No need to ping anyone about that either. (I.e. as long as it works - that's not always the case.)11:51
* sil2100 drives home11:51
didrockssee you sil2100 :)11:52
didrocksTrevinho: hey! do you mind setting milestone if you can on my G-S MR?12:00
didrocksand label feature as well?12:01
GunnarHjHi didrocks! Can you please help with bug #1745777? It's a bit more urgent than usually is the case with package cleaning, since one of the build dependencies for libzhuyin is no longer present in bionic.12:12
ubot5bug 1745777 in libzhuyin (Ubuntu) "Please remove fcitx-zhuyin and libzhuyin from bionic" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174577712:12
didrocksGunnarHj: hey, I'm unsure to understand the "there is a need to remove them in bionic before they have been removed from sid"?12:17
didrocksif I remove them manually, next sync from debian may bring them back12:17
didrocks(as long as they are not removed from sid)12:17
GunnarHjdidrocks: We have synced from experimental.12:17
GunnarHjdidrocks: Isn't is possible to block them from reappearing?12:18
didrocksGunnarHj: it's name blacklisting, but what does this give? Can't we just wait for them to be removed from sid and then autosync will remove them?12:18
GunnarHjdidrocks: It depends on how fast things move forward on the Debian side. Once the whole archive is rebuilt, libzhuyin will fail.12:19
didrocksGunnarHj: and I think that's fine, if we see that it's still here near release, we can remove it12:20
didrocksI just don't think there is a need and remove them before Debian does12:20
jbichaautosync is separate from autoremove. I have a whole list of packages removed from Debian unstable I'm waiting to see removed from bionic12:20
GunnarHjdidrocks: Ok, I have no problem with that. You know the implications better than me.12:21
didrocksjbicha: yeah, autoremove is run manually from time to time AFAIK12:21
didrocksGunnarHj: let's plan on that. However, please reping me if we are near release and it's still in the repo12:21
LaneyIt's because the binaries have been taken over by libpinyin now12:22
Laneyin bionic12:22
jbichadidrocks: since we're talking AA stuff, could you review gnome-tweaks (renamed from -tweak-tool) in bionic NEW12:22
didrocksjbicha: too much time devoted to AA this week… but adding it to my list :p12:22
GunnarHjdidrocks: I'll try to remember that...12:22
jbichaI expect one more rename: gnome-themes-standard → gnome-themes-extra whenever upstream releases a tarball12:22
jbichadidrocks: that's fine. It's not urgent and maybe someone else will get to it first :)12:23
didrocksjbicha: we'll see who gets to it first :)12:23
jbicha(although waiting for someone else to do it doesn't work out as often as one would hope … )12:23
jbichaI'm doing this now since it makes sense: LP: #172639512:30
ubot5Launchpad bug 1726395 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "gnome-screensaver should be removed from ubuntu-desktop Recommends because it isn't needed for Gnome Shell DE" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172639512:30
Trevinhodidrocks: ok, I'm out this week (and in France, close to you), but I can do it after the slopes :-)12:31
GunnarHjHi doko, can you please revisit bug #1738582. It ought to be ready to approve by now, and with that let us proceed with adding the packages to the live seed.12:31
ubot5bug 1738582 in libpinyin (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ibus-libpinyin and dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173858212:31
didrocksTrevinho: oh sure! Profites bien :)12:31
TrevinhoC'est fabtafique12:32
Trevinho(manger a part :-D)12:32
didrockspffff ;)12:32
jbichabtw, the patch for #737362 was applied upstream briefly and then reverted. Design issues and worries about users breaking their systems by turning it off12:33
jbichaGNOME #73736212:33
ubot5Gnome bug 737362 in Privacy "Privacy panel is missing switch to disable captive portal detection" [Normal,Reopened] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73736212:33
seb128typical GNOME argument :/12:46
jbichaspeaking of GNOME … https://git.gnome.org/browse/gsettings-desktop-schemas/commit/?id=77ff1d912:53
jbichaggsettings set org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad 'fingers'12:54
jbichaoh Tweaks already has a setting for it in Keyboard & Mouse > Touchpad > Click Method12:59
seb128jbicha, I'm not sure to understand the impact of that touchpad change14:09
seb128jbicha, if that doesn't impact edge scrolling then seems fine to me14:10
jbichaI am working on redesigning that option in Tweaks to make it a bit more clear, the first screenshot is the current UI, the next 2 are my proposal14:11
jbichathe click-method options aren't supposed to affect scrolling AIUI14:11
didrocksI did test it on Bastien's request FTWI before he enabled by default. No difference on my one-touch touchpad14:20
seb128didrocks, do you understand what the difference is supposed to be?14:21
didrocksseb128: from what he told, it's mostly a MacOs feature for multi-touch touchpads, it's a no-op in other cases14:23
didrockshe referenced https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757255 at the time14:23
ubot5Gnome bug 757255 in general "Allow switch between "Mac" and "Windows" touchpad modes" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]14:23
seb128didrocks, right, I read that, I still not understand what it changes really14:24
seb128I guess it doesn't matter much14:24
seb128we will see if we get users having issues14:24
didrocksseb128: I think it's something Mac users understand apparently ;)14:24
didrocksI think it's the "right click on multiple fingers"14:25
didrocksbut I might be wrong14:25
didrocksseb128: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT20770014:25
jbichait's going to surprise people with newer laptops that don't have separate touchpad "mouse" buttons14:26
didrocksfirst case14:26
kenvandinejbicha, thx for the gedit ack :)14:27
jbichakenvandine: I'm doing a gedit tarball release soon because someone needs to and there were fixes piling up in git master14:29
jbichaI don't intend to be the gedit maintainer though, so we'll see how that works :|14:29
kenvandinejbicha, great14:29
kenvandinejbicha, you touch it... you own it :)14:29
jbichaI hope not!14:29
kenvandinei'd kind of like to do some work on gedit actually14:30
kenvandinebut i seem to have no free time :/14:30
seb128jbicha, when you say it's controversial, was there more discussions on the topic or just some maintainers pushing back because they consider flatpak the GNOME supported solution?14:32
seb128hey kenvandine, how are you?14:32
jbichaseb128: for instance mcatanzaro thinks GNOME already has one classic build system (meson ideally) and one new build system (flatpak)14:34
jbichaso he isn't interested in adding snap metadata for packages he maintains14:34
seb128jbicha, right, so the later one14:34
seb128k, I was checking if there were more discussions I didn't notice14:34
seb128that I knew about14:34
jbichaKen has been the one proposing these patches so he can give you more details if needed :)14:34
kenvandinehey seb12814:34
kenvandineseb128, mcatanzaro suggested i email the desktop-devel list to get a discussion going on snap support14:36
seb128kenvandine, I would refrain from doing that14:36
jbichaI think mcatanzaro might have proposed having a project-wide position against adding the snap metadata but mcatanzaro didn't really follow up on that14:36
kenvandineseb128, however, i've avoided that for now... since i pretty much know how it'll go14:36
seb128I can't see any useful outcome14:36
kenvandineso i'm ignoring the patches i've sent him and hoping to get the rest in ;)14:36
kenvandinemaybe eventually i can say to him "your projects are the only ones without snap packaging"14:37
jbichaI think it would help if we clone jamesh so that Builder would natively support building Snaps ;)14:37
kenvandinejbicha, he has a branch that works :)14:38
kenvandinebut needs refactoring to get it upstream14:38
seb128jbicha, I think he would argue against accepting the snap support in builder :p14:38
jbichacsoriano for instance has said that he likes the flatpak option as an easy way for contributors to build and test nautilus from git master14:38
jbichaupstream Builder (hergertme) seems receptive to patches to support all sorts of build systems14:40
kenvandineyeah, he didn't reject it14:40
seb128right, I'm just saying that the guy who doesn't want the snapcraft.yaml files added upstream and would want to the project to nack them would probably also argue that snap has no point being into builder14:41
GunnarHjdidrocks: Do you have time to help out with bug #1738582?16:23
ubot5bug 1738582 in libpinyin (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ibus-libpinyin and dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173858216:23
didrocksGunnarHj: not today16:27
didrockscould before EOW16:27
* didrocks has a lot of MIR to deal with recently…16:27
didrocksGunnarHj: it seems doko started the review16:28
didrocksGunnarHj: maybe ask him? Don't want to step over16:28
GunnarHjdidrocks: Yes. I pinged doko too, but he seems not to be around. (What's EOW?)16:28
didrocksGunnarHj: end of week16:28
GunnarHjdidrocks: Thanks. :)16:29
didrocksGunnarHj: well, try again later and keep me posted :)16:29
GunnarHjdidrocks: Will do.16:30
oSoMoNchrisccoulson, chromium-browser 64.0.3282.119 is ready for publication in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages (already in bionic-proposed)16:58
willcookenight all, going to go to the office tomorrow morning17:58
GunnarHjjbicha: Thanks for pushing that gnome-user-docs patch. Do you think I should apply for commit rights? If I understand it correctly, such rights apply to the whole git.gnome.org, not only specific packages.17:59
jbichaGunnarHj: have you contributed to other modules besides gnome-user-docs?18:00
GunnarHjjbicha: Yes, but just a few small things.18:00
jbichaI don't know what the threshold for commit number is18:01
jbichaI think they want you to have someone vouch for you so maybe ask in #docs on irc.gnome.org what you need to do to apply for git commit rights18:02
GunnarHjjbicha: Maybe. Or, considering that they are planning to move the thing to another place, maybe I'd better wait til then.18:03
jbichaI believe the account is the same. commit rights gets you commit access at git.gnome.org and gitlab.gnome.org18:04
GunnarHjjbicha: Right, I have seen that page.18:04
jbichaI don't work on docs these days, I just happened to see your patch when I filed a wishlist bug there18:11
GunnarHjjbicha: Yeah, I know. So I was lucky. :)18:12
jbichait'll probably be a little different with gitlab, but with bugzilla, a lot of maintainers mark patches as accepted_commit_now which means "go ahead and push"18:15
jbichaGNOME gives project-wide commits rights fairly easily so if you can't push, it's good to mention that on the bug18:16
GunnarHjjbicha: Yes, if I understand it correctly, gitlab will allow for merge proposals like in bazaar. But yes, mentioning the absence of push right on the bugs is probably a good idea.18:18
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willcookenight all21:17
jameshkenvandine: with a bit of hacking, I got one of your GNOME snaps to display translated21:57
jameshit wasn't particularly pretty21:58
kenvandinejamesh, so what's the issue?21:58
jameshkenvandine: the core snap only provides compiled locale data for C.utf-821:58
jameshso setlocale(LC_ALL, "") fails.  Then gettext uses the libc locale to pick which translations to use21:59
jameshwhich still thinks it is the C locale21:59
jameshI got things to work by compiling a locale for French, putting it somewhere the snap could read, and setting LOCPATH22:00
kenvandinethat's ugly22:01
jameshwe could try staging locales-all somewhere (app or gnome platform snap), and make sure they're found that way22:01
jameshhowever, locales-all is 3.4 MB compressed, 130 MB uncompressed22:02
oSoMoNkenvandine, can the LO i386 autopkgtest failure be ignored to allow it to migrate? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/bionic/update_excuses.html#libreoffice22:04
oSoMoNwe've done that for the last few uploads22:05
oSoMoNthe autopkgtests are failing on i386 because of that infamous java crash22:05
ubot5bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 108619 in LibreOffice "Java Crash on x86 in jfw_plugin_startJavaVirtualMachine w/ recent linux kernels" [Critical,Resolved: notourbug]22:06
kenvandineoSoMoN, we should22:11
kenvandinewe need to poke someone about that22:11
oSoMoNkenvandine, who do we need to poke?22:13
kenvandinejbicha, do you know?22:14
LaneyI'd do it but I'm not really here22:15
Laneyalso I'd ask what the status of the fix is :-)22:15
oSoMoNok, I'll do that tomorrow as it's getting late and I have to get some rest22:17
oSoMoNhave a good night all22:18
kenvandineLaney, you aren't here!22:19

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