| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:24 |
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| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 09:44 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 09:49 |
| diplo | Morning all | 09:52 |
| SuperMatt | good morning friends | 10:44 |
| brobostigon | morning | 10:44 |
| foobarry | haven't been reading any social media/news/irc anything for a few weeks. anything happened? | 11:11 |
| foobarry | last thing i read was meltdown | 11:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | well there's the current fitness tracker giving away us secret bases thing... | 11:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | and meltdown and spectre haven't gone away either with microsoft disabling the intel patches for the bugs as they are awful | 11:14 |
| SuperMatt | some people think the rubbishness of the patches which have gone to the windows and linux kernels shows signs of another issue that Intel may be trying to cover up | 13:11 |
| popey | MORNING | 14:44 |
| popey | oops | 14:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | anyone who's still nursing a hangover at this time deserves the pain of the shouting :-P | 14:48 |
| popey | It's 6:48 AM here :) | 14:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | well that time zone deserves shouting at for been lazy :-) | 14:51 |
| czajkowski | Aloha | 14:51 |
| popey | IKR | 14:58 |
| SuperMatt | g'day | 15:05 |
| diddledan | yawn | 17:07 |
| diddledan | is it morning? | 17:07 |
| SuperMatt | I hope not, otherwise I've got another 7.5h of work | 17:14 |
| diddledan | SuperMatt: it's just hitting 12:00 here :-( time zones suck | 19:54 |
| daftykins | diddledan: they let you in! | 20:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | that sleepy sleep snoozy snooze really does work... | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | popey: i just saw this on reddit: http://linuxgizmos.com/rpi-zero-w-clone-offers-quad-core-power-for-15/ | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | ARMv7 allwinner with pi zero form factor | 20:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'd love to see sales numbers for the pi clones out there.... | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | why... | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | there's really only one reason to use a clone, and that's because you need to use a distribution that dropped support for ARMv6... hence why i mentioned it to popey :) | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | in all other cases you are better off with the real thing, because RPi foundation support is way better than what you get from allwinner | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | they are still stuck on linux 3.4 afaik :) | 20:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | the numbers sold would indicate size of community and maybe the levels of support... | 20:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | as you say, better off with real thing but would still like some competition for r-pi so they don't get complacent :-) | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | nobody can compete with RPi because they have preferential treatment from broadcom | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | RPi provide competition for *everybody else* - as i've said many times, you can't get away will charging $200 for a dev kit any more (although samsung still try, bet you can't even name their Pi competitor :) ) | 20:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | i know intels gallileo died a death | 20:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | and r-pi is now chasing up on commodores most manufactured computer record if they haven't already beaten it. there was some discussion as to what constituted a single model | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | they beat it last year | 20:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | wasn't there some argument that they were lumping multiple revisions of the pi into one to beat the c64? | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | yes, but nobody cares. there were multiple revisions of the C64 too | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | the fact is they all boot the same OS image :) | 20:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | a lot closer in spec than the revisions of the pi i think | 20:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | mind it was hard to have a difference in spec when the amounts of ram, cpu speed, etc. were so low... :-) | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | yes, and a lot harder to release updated software if the hardware changed | 20:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | tell me about it, when they made the spectrum +2 they changed the rom a teeny tiny bit and made about 5% of spectrum software not work... | 20:46 |
| popey | ali1234: oooh, stop making me buy more pi clones | 20:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | gotta catch them all! :-) | 20:52 |
| popey | shame your usb connector thing wouldn't fit that | 20:52 |
| popey | and guess there's not a market enough to redesign and market one | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i couldn't even make a variant because of all the components on the back | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | that will also prevent it from fitting in most cases | 20:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | knock one up on your 3d printer... | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | doing a redesign would cost almost nothing. PCB prototyping is ridiculously cheap these days | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | i mean it would cost like $5 for each prototype | 20:54 |
| popey | you could maybe add a spacer and have pogo pins on your board, attaching to pads on theirs? | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | well, another problem is there are no test points to connect to | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | the USB connectors are not through hole | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | although there's a funny looking 4 pin header in between them | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | i ordered one so we'll see | 20:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | maybe it's rs232... :-) | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | no, that's visible on another header | 20:58 |
| popey | yeah, 3 pin header near the sd slot | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | anyone pre-ordered one of those gemini PDA things? | 21:01 |
| popey | I think flexiondotorg did | 21:02 |
| flexiondotorg | I did | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | are you a psion fanboy? | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | or did you just like the look of it? | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | the weird thing about the psion is that the fanboys had nobody to war with. there were really no competitors to it | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | but everyone i know who had one was totally hardcore about it | 21:14 |
| daftykins | psion \o/ | 21:14 |
| daftykins | still not cleaned up that failed rubber on my discovered 3c | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | isopropyl alcohol fetches it right off | 21:15 |
| daftykins | mmm, had bigger fish to fry here of late unfortunately | 21:16 |
| daftykins | although amusingly my parents found all the original boxes to the PsiWin software, unit itself and so on at their place | 21:16 |
| daftykins | i've still got the floppies and the data cable, so it's a full set - shame its' hinges snapped on me opening up | 21:16 |
| daftykins | +it | 21:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | psions were the rolls royce of the pda market, there was nothing else like it. it wasn't a companion device to your pc. it could do 90% of what a lot of people did on their pc... | 21:23 |
| flexiondotorg | ali1234: I never had a psion. I just like the form factor of the Gemini. | 23:44 |
| * zmoylan-pi had 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx and also used a psion ii on occasion | 23:46 | |
| daftykins | and several shares? ;) | 23:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | not all at once... that would be silly :-) | 23:57 |
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