[09:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:49] <brobostigon> o/
[09:52] <diplo> Morning all
[10:44] <SuperMatt> good morning friends
[10:44] <brobostigon> morning
[11:11] <foobarry>  haven't been reading any social media/news/irc anything for a few weeks. anything happened?
[11:11] <foobarry> last thing i read was meltdown
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> well there's the current fitness tracker giving away us secret bases thing...
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> and meltdown and spectre haven't gone away either with microsoft disabling the intel patches for the bugs as they are awful
[13:11] <SuperMatt> some people think the rubbishness of the patches which have gone to the windows and linux kernels shows signs of another issue that Intel may be trying to cover up
[14:44] <popey> MORNING
[14:47] <popey> oops
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> anyone who's still nursing a hangover at this time deserves the pain of the shouting :-P
[14:49] <popey> It's 6:48 AM here :)
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> well that time zone deserves shouting at for been lazy :-)
[14:51] <czajkowski> Aloha
[14:58] <popey> IKR
[15:05] <SuperMatt> g'day
[17:07] <diddledan> yawn
[17:07] <diddledan> is it morning?
[17:14] <SuperMatt> I hope not, otherwise I've got another 7.5h of work
[19:54] <diddledan> SuperMatt: it's just hitting 12:00 here :-( time zones suck
[20:05] <daftykins> diddledan: they let you in!
[20:28] <zmoylan-pi> that sleepy sleep snoozy snooze really does work...
[20:29] <ali1234> popey: i just saw this on reddit: http://linuxgizmos.com/rpi-zero-w-clone-offers-quad-core-power-for-15/
[20:29] <ali1234> ARMv7 allwinner with pi zero form factor
[20:34] <zmoylan-pi> i'd love to see sales numbers for the pi clones out there....
[20:35] <ali1234> why...
[20:36] <ali1234> there's really only one reason to use a clone, and that's because you need to use a distribution that dropped support for ARMv6... hence why i mentioned it to popey :)
[20:37] <ali1234> in all other cases you are better off with the real thing, because RPi foundation support is way better than what you get from allwinner
[20:37] <ali1234> they are still stuck on linux 3.4 afaik :)
[20:38] <zmoylan-pi> the numbers sold would indicate size of community and maybe the levels of support...
[20:38] <zmoylan-pi> as you say, better off with real thing but would still like some competition for r-pi so they don't get complacent :-)
[20:39] <ali1234> nobody can compete with RPi because they have preferential treatment from broadcom
[20:40] <ali1234> RPi provide competition for *everybody else* - as i've said many times, you can't get away will charging $200 for a dev kit any more (although samsung still try, bet you can't even name their Pi competitor :) )
[20:40] <zmoylan-pi> i know intels gallileo died a death
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> and r-pi is now chasing up on commodores most manufactured computer record if they haven't already beaten it.  there was some discussion as to what constituted a single model
[20:42] <ali1234> they beat it last year
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't there some argument that they were lumping multiple revisions of the pi into one to beat the c64?
[20:43] <ali1234> yes, but nobody cares. there were multiple revisions of the C64 too
[20:43] <ali1234> the fact is they all boot the same OS image :)
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> a lot closer in spec than the revisions of the pi i think
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> mind it was hard to have a difference in spec when the amounts of ram, cpu speed, etc. were so low... :-)
[20:45] <ali1234> yes, and a lot harder to release updated software if the hardware changed
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> tell me about it, when they made the spectrum +2 they changed the rom a teeny tiny bit and made about 5% of spectrum software not work...
[20:51] <popey> ali1234:  oooh, stop making me buy more pi clones
[20:52] <zmoylan-pi> gotta catch them all! :-)
[20:52] <popey> shame your usb connector thing wouldn't fit that
[20:52] <popey> and guess there's not a market enough to redesign and market one
[20:52] <ali1234> yeah, i couldn't even make a variant because of all the components on the back
[20:52] <ali1234> that will also prevent it from fitting in most cases
[20:53] <zmoylan-pi> knock one up on your 3d printer...
[20:53] <ali1234> doing a redesign would cost almost nothing. PCB prototyping is ridiculously cheap these days
[20:54] <ali1234> i mean it would cost like $5 for each prototype
[20:55] <popey> you could maybe add a spacer and have pogo pins on your board, attaching to pads on theirs?
[20:56] <ali1234> well, another problem is there are no test points to connect to
[20:56] <ali1234> the USB connectors are not through hole
[20:56] <ali1234> although there's a funny looking 4 pin header in between them
[20:58] <ali1234> i ordered one so we'll see
[20:58] <zmoylan-pi> maybe it's rs232... :-)
[20:58] <ali1234> no, that's visible on another header
[20:58] <popey> yeah, 3 pin header near the sd slot
[21:01] <ali1234> anyone pre-ordered one of those gemini PDA things?
[21:02] <popey> I think flexiondotorg did
[21:11] <flexiondotorg> I did
[21:11] <ali1234> are you a psion fanboy?
[21:11] <ali1234> or did you just like the look of it?
[21:14] <ali1234> the weird thing about the psion is that the fanboys had nobody to war with. there were really no competitors to it
[21:14] <ali1234> but everyone i know who had one was totally hardcore about it
[21:14] <daftykins> psion \o/
[21:14] <daftykins> still not cleaned up that failed rubber on my discovered 3c
[21:15] <ali1234> isopropyl alcohol fetches it right off
[21:16] <daftykins> mmm, had bigger fish to fry here of late unfortunately
[21:16] <daftykins> although amusingly my parents found all the original boxes to the PsiWin software, unit itself and so on at their place
[21:16] <daftykins> i've still got the floppies and the data cable, so it's a full set - shame its' hinges snapped on me opening up
[21:16] <daftykins> +it
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> psions were the rolls royce of the pda market, there was nothing else like it.  it wasn't a companion device to your pc.  it could do 90% of what a lot of people did on their pc...
[23:44] <flexiondotorg> ali1234: I never had a psion. I just like the form factor of the Gemini.
[23:46]  * zmoylan-pi had 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx and also used a psion ii on occasion
[23:50] <daftykins> and several shares? ;)
[23:57] <zmoylan-pi> not all at once... that would be silly :-)