[09:24] morning boys and girls. [09:44] o/ [09:49] o/ [09:52] Morning all [10:44] good morning friends [10:44] morning [11:11] haven't been reading any social media/news/irc anything for a few weeks. anything happened? [11:11] last thing i read was meltdown [11:12] well there's the current fitness tracker giving away us secret bases thing... [11:14] and meltdown and spectre haven't gone away either with microsoft disabling the intel patches for the bugs as they are awful [13:11] some people think the rubbishness of the patches which have gone to the windows and linux kernels shows signs of another issue that Intel may be trying to cover up [14:44] MORNING [14:47] oops [14:48] anyone who's still nursing a hangover at this time deserves the pain of the shouting :-P [14:49] It's 6:48 AM here :) [14:51] well that time zone deserves shouting at for been lazy :-) [14:51] Aloha [14:58] IKR [15:05] g'day [17:07] yawn [17:07] is it morning? [17:14] I hope not, otherwise I've got another 7.5h of work [19:54] SuperMatt: it's just hitting 12:00 here :-( time zones suck [20:05] diddledan: they let you in! [20:28] that sleepy sleep snoozy snooze really does work... [20:29] popey: i just saw this on reddit: http://linuxgizmos.com/rpi-zero-w-clone-offers-quad-core-power-for-15/ [20:29] ARMv7 allwinner with pi zero form factor [20:34] i'd love to see sales numbers for the pi clones out there.... [20:35] why... [20:36] there's really only one reason to use a clone, and that's because you need to use a distribution that dropped support for ARMv6... hence why i mentioned it to popey :) [20:37] in all other cases you are better off with the real thing, because RPi foundation support is way better than what you get from allwinner [20:37] they are still stuck on linux 3.4 afaik :) [20:38] the numbers sold would indicate size of community and maybe the levels of support... [20:38] as you say, better off with real thing but would still like some competition for r-pi so they don't get complacent :-) [20:39] nobody can compete with RPi because they have preferential treatment from broadcom [20:40] RPi provide competition for *everybody else* - as i've said many times, you can't get away will charging $200 for a dev kit any more (although samsung still try, bet you can't even name their Pi competitor :) ) [20:40] i know intels gallileo died a death [20:41] and r-pi is now chasing up on commodores most manufactured computer record if they haven't already beaten it. there was some discussion as to what constituted a single model [20:42] they beat it last year [20:42] wasn't there some argument that they were lumping multiple revisions of the pi into one to beat the c64? [20:43] yes, but nobody cares. there were multiple revisions of the C64 too [20:43] the fact is they all boot the same OS image :) [20:43] a lot closer in spec than the revisions of the pi i think [20:44] mind it was hard to have a difference in spec when the amounts of ram, cpu speed, etc. were so low... :-) [20:45] yes, and a lot harder to release updated software if the hardware changed [20:46] tell me about it, when they made the spectrum +2 they changed the rom a teeny tiny bit and made about 5% of spectrum software not work... [20:51] ali1234: oooh, stop making me buy more pi clones [20:52] gotta catch them all! :-) [20:52] shame your usb connector thing wouldn't fit that [20:52] and guess there's not a market enough to redesign and market one [20:52] yeah, i couldn't even make a variant because of all the components on the back [20:52] that will also prevent it from fitting in most cases [20:53] knock one up on your 3d printer... [20:53] doing a redesign would cost almost nothing. PCB prototyping is ridiculously cheap these days [20:54] i mean it would cost like $5 for each prototype [20:55] you could maybe add a spacer and have pogo pins on your board, attaching to pads on theirs? [20:56] well, another problem is there are no test points to connect to [20:56] the USB connectors are not through hole [20:56] although there's a funny looking 4 pin header in between them [20:58] i ordered one so we'll see [20:58] maybe it's rs232... :-) [20:58] no, that's visible on another header [20:58] yeah, 3 pin header near the sd slot [21:01] anyone pre-ordered one of those gemini PDA things? [21:02] I think flexiondotorg did [21:11] I did [21:11] are you a psion fanboy? [21:11] or did you just like the look of it? [21:14] the weird thing about the psion is that the fanboys had nobody to war with. there were really no competitors to it [21:14] but everyone i know who had one was totally hardcore about it [21:14] psion \o/ [21:14] still not cleaned up that failed rubber on my discovered 3c [21:15] isopropyl alcohol fetches it right off [21:16] mmm, had bigger fish to fry here of late unfortunately [21:16] although amusingly my parents found all the original boxes to the PsiWin software, unit itself and so on at their place [21:16] i've still got the floppies and the data cable, so it's a full set - shame its' hinges snapped on me opening up [21:16] +it [21:23] psions were the rolls royce of the pda market, there was nothing else like it. it wasn't a companion device to your pc. it could do 90% of what a lot of people did on their pc... [23:44] ali1234: I never had a psion. I just like the form factor of the Gemini. [23:46] * zmoylan-pi had 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx and also used a psion ii on occasion [23:50] and several shares? ;) [23:57] not all at once... that would be silly :-)