[00:01] <akik> jas4711: so the mini.iso is missing some install routine you need?
[00:01] <backnforth> Bashing-om, giving up?
[00:02] <akik> oh he left
[00:02] <backnforth> crap
[00:02] <Bashing-om> backnforth: Nope. awating to see what results booting the liveUSb .
[00:03] <backnforth> Bashing-om, I told hoh
[00:03] <backnforth> you told you, I don't know how to do what you asked for
[00:03] <backnforth> I'm not getting those results
[00:04] <Bashing-om> backnforth: And I responded that to see the liveUSB boot options . hit any key soon as the firmware screen clears ..........
[00:05] <backnforth> what's the firmware screen?
[00:06] <Bashing-om> backnforth: on the old legacy sytems would be eqivalent of the bios boot screen .
[00:07] <backnforth> is that the grub boot screen?
[00:07] <Bashing-om> !efi | backnforth
[00:10] <Deihmos> Is the desktop in Ubuntu 17.10 gnome ?
[00:11] <Bashing-om> Deihmos: Default in 17.10 is wayland optional to boot Xorg .
[00:11] <ramrebol_> my wifi is working !!   thanks for your attention :)
[00:11] <Dkeagle> i just checked, when ubuntu server iso start, i say "install ubuntu server"
[00:12] <Bashing-om> ramrebol_: You do good work :)
[00:12] <Kon-> Deihmos, yes, Ubuntu 17.10 uses GNOME
[00:12] <Deihmos> Didn't they say it would be gnome?
[00:12] <Deihmos> What happened to unity
[00:12] <Dkeagle> here, all the iso you link to me say "install ubuntu" , it's not what i'm looking for
[00:12] <Kon-> Unity went away
[00:13] <Kon-> Bashing-om, he was asking about the desktop environment, not the window manager
[00:13] <Deihmos> I see. It looked a little more modern graphically
[00:13] <Kon-> Ubuntu's default GNOME theme looks very much like Unity's
[00:14] <Deihmos> Where is the theme?
[00:14] <Deihmos> I just installed 17.10.1
[00:15] <backnforth> Bashing-om, I see boot from first hard disk whenever I don't boot uefi
[00:15] <Deihmos> Ok I think I got it.
[00:16] <Deihmos> I wonder why they ditched unity.
[00:16] <Dkeagle> nobody here can give me the link to the mini iso to install ubuntu SERVER net install i386 ?
[00:16] <backnforth> it says boot failed
[00:17] <akik> Dkeagle: sorry i don't remember what mini.iso install routine includes. what is it missing for your use case?
[00:17] <Dkeagle> akik, all the mini iso i found install normal ubuntu
[00:18] <Dkeagle> i need the one to install ubuntu server
[00:18] <akik> Dkeagle: yea but is some raid or storage setup missing from it?
[00:19] <akik> Dkeagle: for most purposes the desktop/server differences is just packaging
[00:19] <Dkeagle> seriously ? there's no difference ?
[00:19] <akik> Dkeagle: there are differences but the kernel is the same and all the packages
[00:20] <Dkeagle> i'm gonna use the server with command line in ssh connection, nothing else
[00:20] <akik> Dkeagle: so what is missing from the mini.iso?
[00:20] <Dkeagle> i'm just gonna put a ftp server and maybe host my private website on it
[00:20] <Bashing-om> backnforth: Yuk. hate to say but this is now beyond my abilities as I have but limited experience with EFI systems :(
[00:21] <Dkeagle> the thing is that i watch some videos about ubuntu server
[00:21] <Deihmos> Should I use the mvidia drivers ?
[00:21] <Dkeagle> and every install with ubuntu server iso start with "install ubuntu server"
[00:21] <backnforth> Bashing-om, I might try Ubuntu 16.04
[00:21] <Dkeagle> here, all the mini iso i got start with "install ubuntu"
[00:21] <Dkeagle> is it the same thing ?
[00:22] <dingir_> damnit how do i add a program to the panel
[00:22] <dingir_> theres no right click menu
[00:22] <dingir_> i have made a simple script /home/dingir/start.sh
[00:23] <dingir_> i want to add this as an icon to the panel on the left
[00:23] <Bashing-om> backnforth: How new is your hardware ? - but I do endorse 16.04.1 for stability .
[00:23] <akik> Dkeagle: i'm not sure what you need but for example this machine i'm using, i've installed it from the desktop iso but i'm using it "as a server"
[00:24] <Dkeagle> akik, the problem is that i have the "ubuntu 17.10.1 server i386", 751mo iso
[00:24] <Necm> hey
[00:24] <Necm> i have python2.7  python3.5
[00:25] <Necm> how i can use 3.5
[00:25] <Dkeagle> when i launch it, it says "install ubuntu server"
[00:25] <Dkeagle> but a can't burn that one on a 700mo CD
[00:26] <Dkeagle> i need the exact same thing, but in mini.iso version (~50 mo)
[00:26] <akik> Dkeagle: try the mini iso that you were linked to, and if it doesn't satisfy your needs, ask again?
[00:27] <[Ketchup]> hi, are metapackages safe to remove?
[00:27] <Dkeagle> akik, tried it on a VM, it installed desktop ubuntu, not server
[00:27] <Dkeagle> i need the iso who says "install ubuntu server" when it's booted on
[00:27] <Deihmos> Should I use the Nvidia driver?
[00:27] <akik> Dkeagle: ok i can't help you with that
[00:28] <Dkeagle> looks like nobody can... Thanks anyway
[00:29] <akik> Dkeagle: but you know, if you stop the login manager, you'll get a "server" login
[00:29] <akik> Dkeagle: then you can configure the network interface in /etc/network/interfaces
[00:30] <akik> Dkeagle: and all the packages will be the same
[00:30] <akik> for example i have sshd, smbd, ftpd, stunnel servers on this "desktop" install
[00:31] <Dkeagle> akik, i"ll try to find a mini iso for ubuntu server, but if i don't find it i'll do that way
[00:32] <Dkeagle> or i need to find a way to burn 751mo on a 700mo cd...
[00:36] <kk4ewt> use a dvd
[00:37] <eaglgenes101> The officially supported way of making a custom image seems to be "do what we did to make our image"
[00:37] <eaglgenes101> Hope you're ready to dive deep into the tools
[00:40] <krytarik> Well tbh, they are either just a) burning the wrong image, or b) handling the right one wrong.
[00:42] <skinux> Will someone please at least tell me if this is the wrong channel to ask about this? https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/382fba37f940ff0c58e09f1405f70da6
[00:42] <skinux> ##java is a programming help only channel and there is no channel for FrostWire
[00:45] <eaglgenes101> You can search channels via /msg alis LIST <keyword>
[00:46] <eaglgenes101> Unfortunately a quick search turns some seriously inactive channels
[00:46] <eaglgenes101> Good luck
[00:46] <akik> skinux: it says it there. you probably need sun's jre
[00:46] <eaglgenes101> The relevant channel is ##bittorrent, but it seems rather unpopulated
[00:47] <eaglgenes101> ^probably
[00:47] <akik> skinux: luckily sun's jre install is pretty easy, unpack and set JAVA_HOME
[00:56] <skinux> Thank you. I'm downloading it now.
[00:57] <Guest70> Hey guys! I just installed ubuntu 16.04 (latest) on a fresh new laptop and unfortunately encountering errors. Hopefully someone can help me! Initially, I found that I can't shut it down normally, when I click to shutdown it freezes there and I end up having to press the power button on the laptop. Now when I try to boot it back up, when I enter my
[00:57] <Guest70> password, nothing happens! it stays on the background image
[00:57] <Guest70> If anyone has time, it would be much appreciated!
[01:05] <jmg8766> i'm trying to get a PyOpenGL to work on ubuntu 17.10 and I keep getting the error "Shader Syntax Error:  vertex 0:1(10): error: GLSL 1.50 is not supported. Supported versions are: 1.10, 1.20, 1.30, 1.00 ES, 3.00 ES, 3.10 ES, and 3.20 ES"
[01:07] <Guest70> Will stay in this chat for a few hours, hopefully someone can help me! ill tip a few $ in crypto
[01:10] <notfalco> hey guys, please , I want to install ubuntu encrypted but not using ALL my disk, is there an easy way to do this ?
[01:11] <metastable> notfalco: Is this because there's already another OS on the disk?
[01:11] <notfalco> metastable: this is because maybe I'll want a dual boot later, but no ATM, so I want to leave unformatted space
[01:12] <metastable> notfalco: What would the other OS be if you did dual-boot?
[01:13] <Kon-> notfalco, I would recommend managing your partitions before starting the installation process. Get your disks partitioned and formatted as you want, and then you can make sure Ubuntu installs in the correct spot
[01:13] <notfalco> Anything that the same grub on /boot could boot
[01:14] <notfalco> Kon-: bot that wont make it encrypted, I already tried installing in a encrypted volume made with the installer and failed :( even leaving the /boot unencrypted
[01:14] <metastable> notfalco: It most certainly can.
[01:14] <amz> Hi, how can I select ubuntu version to which I want upgrade? I mean I have Ubuntu 14 and want exacly 16.04.2 (no .3 or higher etc)
[01:15] <metastable> amz: Why?
[01:15] <amz> bcecause i want this version, have software which only work on this version
[01:15] <amz> i will deploy digitalocean vps on ubuntu 14 and upgrade to 16.04.2
[01:15] <metastable> amz: I find that... suspect. Who says it only works with 16.04.2?
[01:16] <amz> it dont work on 16.04.3 because of other lib versions etc
[01:16] <metastable> amz: Have you tested this?
[01:16] <amz> and this is most easy way
[01:16] <amz> yes
[01:16] <amz> is this possible to upgrade just to 16.04.2?
[01:16] <metastable> amz: It's not actually that easy. No, it's not possible.
[01:16] <Guest70> bro I cant even login with 16.04
[01:16] <Bashing-om> Guest70: At the login screen, key combo ctl+alt+F2 to gain a console interface, Login here with username and password . Then we see what we can do .
[01:16] <Guest70> or shut it down
[01:17] <Guest70> thanks bashing ill try that
[01:17] <amz> even when 16.04.2 is still supported version?
[01:18] <metastable> amz: The 16.04 release as a whole is supported. There is nothing in the repos that indicates "this is point release 2."
[01:18] <metastable> amz: Is this your code, or someone else's?
[01:19] <amz> https://github.com/Phype/telnet-iot-honeypot
[01:19] <metastable> amz: Please bear in mind that even if this WERE possible (and it's not), you would still have to worry about keeping the system up to date, which would break it anyway.
[01:20] <amz> i dont need update this :)
[01:20] <amz> just need run it, dont care about details :P
[01:21] <metastable> amz: That kind of mentality is why I get paid so much money...
[01:21] <Guest70> Bashing-om When I press ctl+alt+f2 at the login screen, with no password entered, the whole thing freezes (cannot enter password or see the console)
[01:22] <skinux> akik: Installing Sun java didn't resolve the issue
[01:23] <Bashing-om> Guest70: That suggest a bad install . How did you do the install medium ? Need to verify .
[01:25] <Guest70> Bashing-om I got the iso from the ubuntu official website, and put it on usb key with rufus
[01:25] <Guest70> brand new usb key too
[01:25] <Guest70> I could reinstall
[01:26] <Guest70> I set a 30gb partition for the install
[01:27] <Bashing-om> Guest70: check the .iso file: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows . Then next is verify the USB .
[01:28] <Bashing-om> Guest70: 30 Gogs will be a bit tight, but will do for a starter .
[01:28] <Bashing-om> gigs*
[01:29] <metastable> amz: I don't know who told you that that doesn't work on .3, because I'm running it just fine on .3.
[01:30] <Loshki> amz: perhaps here: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04.2/
[01:30] <metastable> Loshki: He wants to use DO, you can't use your own images.
[01:30] <metastable> Loshki: And there's also no reason for him to use an old release.
[01:31] <phillijw> Can someone help me fix this docker file script? https://github.com/phillijw/ynab/blob/master/Dockerfile ... I'm getting error on the localedef line
[01:34] <metastable> Loshki: I'm EXTREMELY suspicious of any claim that a specific Ubuntu point release is required, because there's nothing that defines a point release other than "we're gonna package the last X months of security updates so people don't have to download them all."
[01:39] <Guest70> Bashing-om Thanks for the help, I can confirm that the MD5 is the same as showed here http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/MD5SUMS
[01:39] <Guest70> How would you suggest testing the usb key?
[01:40] <Guest70> Also, I found that using the command "certutil -hashfile MD5" on windows worked better, the ones listed in the article linked didnt work
[01:44] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, Just tried with Ubuntu 16.04 since I read Linux Mint uses Ubuntu 16.04 but still the same error
[01:44] <Bashing-om> Guest70: Boot from the key, as soon as the firmware screen clears press the escape key ( real small window of opportunity here) -> language screen; escape key to accept the defaults -> boot options screen -> "check disk for defects" .
[01:45] <Bashing-om> backnforth_: A fresh clean install of ubuntu 16.04 ?
[01:46] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, Yep, except I did updates
[01:46] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, the amdgpu-pro drivers might work better on this
[01:47] <Bashing-om> backnforth_: Updates are good :) .. So remind me what means " but still the same error " .
[01:47] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, My game is giving graphics that are black and white but mostly black
[01:48] <Bashing-om> backnforth_: perhaps, but maybe in small steps, as we do not KNOW that amdgpu-PRO has been backported to that series of cards .
[01:49] <Bashing-om> backnforth_: Let's look and see what driver the installed installed for graphocs ' sudo lshw -C display ' . if it is "radeon" .. well I just do not know what else we can do .
[01:50] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, do you want me to get amdgpu-pro first?
[01:51] <Bashing-om> backnforth_: No .. last time we did that .. we could not recover .
[01:51] <KalEl> what does ubuntu add over debian?
[01:52] <Guest70> Bashing-om Alright done too, I got "Check finished: no errors found" Would've been surprised since its a brand new laptop too
[01:53] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, https://hastebin.com/ajaturezan.pl
[01:53] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, It says Ri 270/270 but I have an R9 270
[01:53] <backnforth_> stupid me lol
[01:53] <backnforth_> yeah that's right
[01:55] <Guest50696> hello
[01:55] <Bashing-om> Guest70: I am at a loss then as to why you can not progress past the login screen .
[01:56] <Guest50696> how have u been guys
[01:56] <Guest70> Bashing-om Ok thanks for the help still, Ill see if I can found a solution
[01:57] <Guest70> if anyone else see's this and helps me resolve ill give a tip
[01:58] <Bashing-om> backnforth_: what kernel - uname -r '? As I am aware that amdgpu driver must be kernel 4.7 and above . As the installer did install radeon, - rather than amdgpu -  I am sceptical that any other will work .
[02:00] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, 4.13.0-32-generic
[02:01] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, I'm going to install linuxmint and try that again. I can give you system details of that if you want
[02:02] <cfhowlett> !mint | backnforth_ mint isn't supported or discussed in this channel because it is not ubuntu.
[02:02] <backnforth_> well I could pm it then
[02:03] <Bashing-om> backnforth_: But .. mint we do not support .. will get no help here in that event . Mint does things we do not know about .
[02:04] <backnforth_> Bashing-om, that's fine.. I'm just looking for a gaming system that works at the moment. I won't come here then.
[02:04] <cfhowlett> backnforth_, happily, mint does have a channel for you:  #linuxmint-help
[02:09] <TrentP> What is the name of Ubuntu's new experimental hypervisor designed to work like LXD but for actual real virtual machines?
[02:21] <PxxxS_PxxxY> is it still recommended to use acpi call to disable the discrete GPU ? As per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics ?
[02:22] <BigBallsBigCock> I like Ubuntu
[02:22]  * BigBallsBigCock uses Ubuntu 
[02:23] <TrentP> "multipass" in case anyone else is wondering, installable as a snap apparently
[02:23] <cfhowlett> change your nick BigBallsBigCock - this is a family friendly channel
[02:25] <User__> I have a few terminal console opened but I cannot access them. Why? is it a bug?
[02:26] <cfhowlett> more info needed User__
[02:26] <User__> The terminal consoles are in my menu bar on the left
[02:27] <cfhowlett> multiple session?  or multiple tabs in the same console
[02:27] <User__> I click on them, but they don't open
[02:27] <User__> they show up as preview, but I am unable to access them
[02:28] <User__> When I press alt+tab, I can see them also, but when I click on any of them, the screen shows the desktop instead
[02:28] <User__> I think multisessions
[02:29] <User__> Several terminals
[03:05] <phillijw> trying to convert a docker script from 15.04 to 16.04 and receiving this. Anyone know why? cannot create /etc/sudoers.d/docker: Directory nonexistent
[03:09] <phillijw> while running this: echo "docker ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" > /etc/sudoers.d/docker
[03:09] <metastable> The /etc/sudoers.d directory doesn't exist.
[03:10] <phillijw> yeah but like... why did 15.04 assume it existed and that worked but now 16.04 it doesn't exist?
[03:10] <phillijw> I guess waht I'm asking is .. is there an equivalent command that works in 16.04?
[03:10] <metastable> phillijw: I'm not sure, because the sudo package in 16.04 assumes the existence of that directory.
[03:11] <phillijw> Ah.. maybe sudo isn't even installed? Hrmph
[03:11] <metastable> That would explain it.
[03:13] <phillijw> bingo
[03:47] <RoadRunner|2> Not getting sound in youtube or in a flash player plugin in Firefox (sound from audio or video players is fine). Using Xubuntu 16.04 with latest software updates.
[03:48] <phillijw> RoadRunner|2: pretty sure I had same issues. I just used chrome instead (if you're looking for a quick easy "fix")
[03:48] <cfhowlett> I chromium-browser is also an option
[03:49] <RoadRunner|2> also, tied "ps -x | grep pulseaudio" with no improvement...
[03:50] <RoadRunner|2> I am used to firefox so, I'd rather figure this out if not too complex...
[03:53] <Megaf> Hi all, does ubuntu has something like deb.debian.org?
[03:53] <Megaf> a server side automatic mirror direction thing to the fastest mirror
[03:53] <RoadRunner|2> phillijw: here's what happened after I killed the problem process: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26481641/
[03:53] <Megaf> been googling for a while already, it's a mess, that's why I'm asking
[03:56] <stephenm> cls
[03:56] <RoadRunner|2> cfhowlett: regarding chromium, isn't it developed by Google?
[03:56] <cfhowlett> it is.  just none of the google branding i.e. "opensource" google browser
[03:57] <falcom> I'm trying to "Try Ubuntu" using live usb. It prompt for username/pw. Using "ubuntu" and an empty password will blink (like it logon successfully) but will show the login screen again
[03:57] <falcom> what's wrong?
[03:58] <RoadRunner|2> cfhowlett: to me google is synonumous with "big brother" so I'd rather stay loyal to ff if I can :)
[03:58] <cfhowlett> in either case, use incongnito and review your privacy settings
[03:59] <ballpen> any rsync user over here?
[04:00] <RoadRunner|2> thank you for that option; I'll use it as a last resort; but I am puzzled why such a large team as in Firefox can't figure out what seems to be a common problem?
[04:01] <RoadRunner|2> cfhowlett: I am now wondering if Ubuntu people will refer me to #Firefox...
[04:02] <krytarik> Megaf: There is https://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me-or-choose-a-faster-mirror/37754#37754 , but it's based on location rather than fastest.
[04:02] <Bashing-om> Megaf: GUI way: http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-select-the-fastest-mirror-for-ubuntu-download . CLI Way: https://blog.kmonsoor.com/ubuntu-update-apt-get-server-to-use-fastest-mirror/ .
[04:03] <Megaf> Bashing-om, so the answer is no
[04:03] <Megaf> Thanks
[04:07] <RoadRunner|2> phillijw: could I trouble you for another possible solution to the sound under Firefox problem?
[04:14] <falcom> on my ubuntu live, when i login, it's looping. anyone know the reason / solution?
[04:20] <phillijw> RoadRunner|2: i'm definitely not the person to ask!
[04:20] <Bashing-om> falcom: This happen after a upgrade ?
[04:21] <falcom> this is ubuntu live (cd/usb)
[04:23] <falcom> Bashing-om: i was able to go to the tty after choosing "try ubuntu" (not installation). try to login via tty. i login successfully and it shows the usual prompt, but it will show the login prompt again
[04:23] <hitman1> Hi
[04:23] <hitman1> sudo apt-get update is stucking at 93%.
[04:23] <RoadRunner|2> phillijw: any particular individual I should be hunting down on this?
[04:24] <Bashing-om> falcom: I am unaware of any need to "log into" a liveDVD/USB . What is the use case here ?
[04:24] <kmuncie> clear
[04:26] <falcom> Bashing-om: i want to use the usual tools they offer in it, but to do that i have to login, and im stuck in the login screen
[04:27] <hitman1> Also I can't install anything - I am getting unable to locate <package-name>
[04:29] <Bashing-om> falcom: Sorry, in all my years of using 'buntu and booting many liveDVDs many times ; I have never had the need to "log into" the liveDVD , I am having that difficulty following your thought process here ,
[04:32] <david_> hi
[05:08] <catsoesh2> .
[05:52] <Zythyr> Question: I edited the fstab file and put "nofail" for my /home partition. This partition is "encrypted". During boot it doesn't mount the "/home" partition becasue I am guessing I didn't decrypt the partition. However, the moment I descrypt the partition by doing "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 data", will Ubuntu try to mount the /home partition or will I have to do it manually?
[06:00] <KalEl> how do i list all unsigned drivers that are currently installed?
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> KalEl: ubuntu-drivers list to see whats available
[06:01] <KalEl> thanks
[06:03] <bwa> hai
[06:03] <bwa> hai
[06:08] <Guddu> Can i connect to a client's network using Cisco VPN Client in ubuntu? (Currently that's how i do it in Windows)
[06:09] <Guddu> Does Ubuntu has Cisco VPN Client install?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> !vpn | Guddu
[06:10] <Guddu> Thanks lotuspsychje
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager-vpnc | Guddu you might need this aswell
[06:40] <Guest70> Bashing-om Reinstalling fixed it, I'm not sure but it might be due to the position of the USB key, it was being slightly pushed by an object during first install. Now on another set of problem hahahah
[06:41] <fishcooker> when this warning "apt does not have a stable CLI interface yet. Use with caution in scripts." will be removed
[06:41] <Bashing-om> Guest70: :) progress made, one giant leap for Guest70 .
[06:42] <Guest70> hehehe yes, going forward is the key
[06:42] <Guest70> After installing a few programs, I dual booted back into windows to shrink the win partition to give more to ubuntu, when I launched ubuntu back after logging now I can only see background and mouse moving
[06:42] <bayman> I see this entry in my syslog, how do i find and remove the cron job?: Jan 28 22:10:01 limelight CRON[17695]: (www-data) CMD ([ -x /usr/share/awstats/tools/update.sh ] && /usr/share/awstats/tools/update.sh)
[06:42] <Guest70> Trying a few solutions online atm
[06:44] <geirha> bayman: It's probably in /etc/cron.d/ though there are multiple places it could be
[06:44] <bayman> oo i see awstats file in /etc/cron.d, do i just rm it?
[06:45] <geirha> yes, or rename it to something like awstats.disabled  to disable it
[06:45] <geirha> If the filename contains a '.', it gets ignored
[06:46] <Bashing-om> Guest70: Did you mess with the ubuntu partition(s) in any way ? - then verify /etc/fstab UUIDs per ' sudo blkid ' .
[06:47] <Guest70> Bashing-om I did not, I only shrinked windows partition (biggest one, not easy to be mistaken)
[06:47] <dirgeable> Hi! Just installed ubuntu. I cannot see notifications in the top right, they are black on black. i tried to get this https://launchpad.net/notifyconf but on make install i get this error https://launchpad.net/notifyconf. is there a better way?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> dirgeable: wich ubuntu version?
[06:53] <Bashing-om> Guest70: Can not see how resizing just Windows could then have effected the ubuntu install .
[06:58] <dirgeable> hhm got it installed but not doing anything
[07:11] <Zythyr> I am creating partitions for Ubuntu install. I am going to have two partitions, one for system and one for home. Is there a general standard practice or rule of thmb if the SWAP partition should be the last partition or before the system partition?
[07:19] <Guest70> Bashing-om Likewise, I think it's a bigger issue, if this keeps happening I will have to dig deeper
[07:19] <jusss> does Wayland work with other de except gnome?
[07:19] <Guest70> Reinstalling once again
[07:23] <bencc> how much time it usually takes for choromium package to upgrade after chrome release?
[07:40] <ducasse> jusss: just kde. the de needs to be explicitly written to work with wayland, they won't automatically just work
[07:42] <jusss> ducasse: does kubuntu 17.10 use wayland?
[07:43] <jusss> I found that vlc or florence doesn't work on wayland with gnome3
[07:43] <ducasse> jusss: not by default, at least
[07:43] <jusss> so I'm tring use kde
[07:44] <jusss> ducasse: there're only 'ubuntu' and 'ubuntu on Xorg' on the login page, what's 'ubuntu'?
[07:44] <jusss> I assume it is wayland, am I right?
[07:46] <ducasse> i guess so, i don't use gnome myself so i'm not sure
[07:47] <jusss> ducasse: what you're using
[07:48] <ducasse> i3
[08:17] <neure> hi
[08:18] <neure> how do i fix https://gist.github.com/anonymous/73cab9b4ac24889344b7286c629c8974 ?
[08:18] <neure> seems like /boot is full
[08:19] <neure> there are multiple vmlinuz, initrd etc files there
[08:19] <neure> what is correct way to clean up /boot?
[08:20] <RyoshiKayo> is the rm everything that you're not using iirc
[08:20] <RyoshiKayo> rm everything that you're not using iirc *
[08:20] <RyoshiKayo> english
[08:20] <neure> i'll try sudo apt autoremove
[08:20] <RyoshiKayo> ye
[08:21] <neure> that made some room
[08:21] <ducasse> do _not_ manually rm things that are managed by apt, that's horrible advice
[08:22] <neure> how do i fix broken packages?
[08:22] <ducasse> broken how?
[08:22] <neure> the failed install left something broken (my paste link) and i now get The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:22] <neure>  linux-image-extra-4.10.0-42-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.10.0-42-generic but it is not going to be installed
[08:22] <ducasse> try 'sudo apt install -f'
[08:24] <RyoshiKayo> After you install a kernel, is there anything you have to do other than update-grub?
[08:24] <neure> it did something
[08:24] <neure> now update and upgrade is happy
[08:25] <jink> RyoshiKayo: Normally, you don't even have to do that, apt-get will do it for you in the post-install steps.
[08:25] <RyoshiKayo> hmm
[08:25] <RyoshiKayo> I'm trying to install 4.14.0-041400
[08:26] <RyoshiKayo> I'm getting an HDMI bug that seems to be the same with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734084
[08:26] <ducasse> RyoshiKayo: you don't need to update-grub manually, the packaging does it for you
[08:27] <RyoshiKayo> supposed to be in mainline 4.14
[08:28] <RyoshiKayo> supposed to be fixed in *
[08:28] <RyoshiKayo> man I can type
[08:39] <TheEagerPadawan> Hi gents, whenever i run some audio i only hear white noise. I don't know if the new kernel updates have something to do with it.
[08:39] <animesh> hi
[08:45] <snipermax> anyone can give me a turtorial of VIM?
[08:46] <senaps> no ifconfig in ubuntu anymore? i don't have it in 17.10
[08:50] <TheEagerPadawan> @snipermax: just typ vimtutor in a cli
[08:52] <ikonia>  /win 7
[08:53] <nimda_> Hi everyone, I am using ubuntu 16.04.3 and glusterfs 3.13. I am seeing a huge amount of futex calls and errors on the system and it takes all the cpu time. I am stuck and I can't release why this is happening
[08:54] <Ben64> looks like 16.04 comes with 3.7.6
[09:05] <JoeLlama> okay so like I installed the full ubuntu 16.04 on an intel atom 1.6 GHz with 2G RAM and it works pretty nicely but it is a little slow... still not bad.
[09:05] <JoeLlama> what are the two types of ubuntu that are good on slower machines with low ram?
[09:05] <JoeLlama> and how do they differ from 16.04?
[09:05] <dax> lubuntu. some people add xubuntu to that list but xubuntu is not particularly designed to be low-resource-using
[09:06] <dax> lubuntu 16.04 and ubuntu 16.04 are the same base with different desktop environments
[09:06] <dax> (lubuntu is LXDE, ubuntu is unity (based on GNOME))
[09:24] <vijaikumar> Hi guys
[09:24] <vijaikumar> I have xubuntu 16.10 in one of my machines
[09:24] <vijaikumar> I think plug is officially pulled on it
[09:24] <vijaikumar> I can't update my apt cache
[09:24] <vijaikumar> I am trying to upgrade it to any newer version
[09:24] <vijaikumar> But it keeps giving me errors
[09:25] <ikonia> just explain the problem
[09:25] <vijaikumar> Any suggestions ?
[09:25] <Guest51104> show error with http://paste.ubuntu.com
[09:25] <ikonia> share any errors in pastebin.ubuntu.com
[09:25] <Guest51104> ikonia :D
[09:26] <vijaikumar> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/W7uI2lqt/
[09:27] <ikonia> so - we told you to use pastebin.ubuntu.com and you use something diferent
[09:27] <vijaikumar> sudo do-release-upgrade
[09:27] <ikonia> vijaikumar: ok, so the error is clear
[09:27] <ikonia> you can't go directly between those two versions
[09:27] <Ben64> 16.10 had it's 'plug pulled' 6 months ago
[09:28] <vijaikumar> Is there anyway for me to atleast jump to 17.04 ?
[09:28] <Ben64> 17.04 is dead now too
[09:28] <vijaikumar> So the only solution is to reinstall then ?
[09:28] <dingir_> hi
[09:28] <Ben64> that's the best one
[09:29] <ikonia> why not just wait for the next LTS release
[09:29] <dingir_> i want to create a shortcut to /home/dingir/start.sh and that it runs it in a terminal
[09:29] <dingir_> how do i do that.. i used to right click create new and click "run in terminal"
[09:29] <ikonia> and you should be able to move between them
[09:29] <vijaikumar> ikonia: i can't install anything
[09:29] <dingir_> dont know how anymore.. using 17.10
[09:29] <Ben64> ikonia: 16.10 isn't lts
[09:29] <ikonia> Ben64: I've just twigged it was 16.10 not 04 he's on
[09:29] <Ben64> :)
[09:29] <ikonia> used the name not the number
[09:30] <Ben64> i've never done an eol upgrade, let alone eol to another eol release, idk how those work out
[09:30] <ikonia> its not something you want is it really
[09:32] <dingir_> any clue
[09:38] <strk> Err:3 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release --  404  Not Found
[09:38] <strk> what happened ?
[09:39] <strk> is 17.04 already too old ?
[09:39] <Ben64> yep
[09:39] <strk> seriously ?
[09:39] <Ben64> indeed
[09:39]  * strk ignores Ben64
[09:39] <Ben64> neato
[09:39] <Ben64> answered questions accurately and get ignored for it
[09:40] <strk> ok, didn't really ignore you, but was tempted - are you _really_ saying that 17.04 is too old ?
[09:40] <strk> guess it was my fault in using non-LTS version
[09:40] <Ben64> !zesty
[09:40] <Ben64> non-lts releases have 9 months of support
[09:42]  * strk tries do-release-upgrade and hopes for the best
[09:42] <strk> thanks Ben64, and sorry for not trusting you (I'm not a frequent visitor of this channel)
[09:42] <Ben64> np
[09:44] <strk> 2014 packages are going to be upgraded.
[09:44] <strk> let's go, 45 minutes of download estimated
[09:45] <strk> looks like it's going to "artful" (is that 17.10?)
[09:45] <strk> !artful
[09:46] <ph88> hey guys, i try to play a windows game with wine .. the game starts and i hear music but the background stays pink. Anything i can do about this ?
[09:48] <strk> ph88: join the wine users community and ask there (it is what I'd do)
[09:48] <ph88> are they on freenode ?
[09:48] <Ben64> #winehq
[09:49] <dingir_> im adding a .desktop file to /home/dingir/Desktop but icon wont show up and when i click it wont execute
[09:49] <dingir_> i did chmod +x on it
[09:49] <dingir_> whats so complicated creating a shortcut
[09:51] <geirha> sounds like it doesn't detect it as a desktop file, then
[09:51] <ph88> maybe logout login ?
[09:52] <dingir_> argh
[09:52] <dingir_> also where a good place to start i want to share my drives on network
[09:52] <dingir_> between linux box
[09:53] <dingir_> i looked for "network file system" but dont find
[09:53] <hanabishi> hello
[09:55] <hanabishi> please advice me about Download management or download helper
[09:56] <ducasse> !nfs | dingir_
[09:56] <melvinsg> \q
[10:00] <iulian_> Hello did in Ubuntu dbus service org.mpris.clementine still exist ?
[10:10] <bca8> Hi - what is the best way to hardering the sysme ?
[10:10] <bca8> system*
[10:19] <frostschutz> bca8, cast it in concrete
[10:20] <strk> you can see he did already
[10:21] <BillD73> lol
[10:32] <dingir_> i have 2 hard drive that do not auto mount on boot
[10:32] <dingir_> i have to go to "other locations" in file browser and click on it for it to be mounted
[10:32] <dingir_> how do i make sure that these drives get mounted automatically at boot?
[10:34] <hanabishi> good bye eveyone
[10:34] <hanabishi> i'm back
[10:35] <BillD73> dingir_: simplest way(GUI) would be disks program, use the "gear" icon after slelecting the drive and edit the mount options
[10:35] <BillD73> dingir_: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/07/mount-partitions-automatically-ubuntu-14-04/
[10:36] <BillD73> i just loooked and GUI is pretty much exactly the same from 14 to 16  cannot tell you about 17
[10:37] <strk> dingir_: manual way would be (I think) to edit /etc/fstab
[10:37] <zozo> hey guys, I have a strange behavior on my 16.04 box: I can make only a few keystrokes on my keyboard before it gets interrupted. Also in tty1 I'm constantly have ^@ character printed, even with unplugged keyboard
[10:39] <dingir_> ok thanks
[10:39] <strk> zozo: sounds like an hardware problem, can you try a livedvd or usb key to see if the problem (that one or similar) persists ?
[10:41] <BillD73> dingir_:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions This details command line mounting etc
[10:41] <zozo> strk, I've tried different keyboards, problem persists. But I've tried to drop into grub menu, -- cant say for sure if problem exists there, because grub menu does not allow me to print more than one char per key press
[10:42] <zozo> just truing to find entry point from where to start debug
[10:42] <BillD73> zozo: have you tried and alt tty?
[10:42] <dingir_> ok
[10:43] <zozo> BillD73, alt tty?
[10:43] <zozo> what does it mean?
[10:43] <strk> alternative tty ? ALT-F2 ?
[10:43] <zozo> well, yeah
[10:43] <zozo> the same result
[10:43] <strk> do you get the char printed there too ?
[10:44] <strk> because you mentioned "tty1" ..
[10:44] <zozo> yeah, right. sorry. so any of ttys are affected
[10:45] <zozo> and I think that any GUI apps also receiving this character, but since it's control char, it's invisible
[10:45] <strk> I suspect no app ever gets it
[10:45] <strk> and it's rather an output-only thing
[10:45] <strk> something writing nulls to console
[10:45] <zozo> but I cant clear string via pressing backspace
[10:46] <strk> right, because it's not an input
[10:46] <BillD73> zozo: Xserver is usually on tty6   so you can do CTRL ALT F1 login and try your keyboard out. if alls well then we can look into a wrong keyboard
[10:46] <strk> so it doesn't end in stdin buffer
[10:46] <zozo> I mean, only few chars will be wiped, and then cursor will stop
[10:46] <strk> are you in a framebuffer ?
[10:46] <BillD73> strk: try to put your details into one line.
[10:46] <zozo> "are you in a framebuffer ?" how can I check that?
[10:49] <BillD73> zozo: were the chars same in your alt tty? random inputs to console?
[10:51] <zozo> tty1 constantly recive ^@ char. So other ttys. And if I'm typing -- all the text just mixed up. Like this : "login: ^@^@zoz^@o"
[10:51] <BillD73> zozo: ok
[10:51] <zozo> btw, this behavior not when I'm on ssh
[10:52] <zozo> only physical presence
[10:52] <strk> zozo: that confirms the problem is with the "console", not with the tty - framebuffer you should be able to tell from `dmsg` (it's a kernel support to start console in framebuffer)
[10:53] <zozo> ok, let me check
[10:54] <strk> dmesg  | grep -i framebuffer # here I get: [    0.896960] efifb: framebuffer at 0xc0000000, using 8128k, total 8128k
[10:55] <zozo>  vesafb: framebuffer at 0xc0000000, mapped to 0xffff998701800000, using 5824k, total 5824k
[10:58] <BillD73> strk: wont the framebuffer be independent of our differences in hardwares?
[10:58] <BillD73> hers mine     [    2.290175] vesafb: framebuffer at 0xd0000000, mapped to 0xffffabd400600000, using 1920k, total 1920k
[10:59] <BillD73> compact laptop keyboard with pad
[11:00] <zozo> so should I trace `vesafb` somehow?
[11:01] <BillD73> zozo: what kind of keyboard? locale language?
[11:02] <zozo> it's usb keyboard, but I was switching to another one
[11:03] <zozo> as about locale -- seems that doesn't matter
[11:03] <zozo> let me check
[11:04] <zozo> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en
[11:04] <strk> maybe framebuffer doesn't matter though, as you see a character printed as if it was part of the *text* output stream
[11:05] <strk> is the character ^@ (usually representing a NULL) always printed where the cursor is ?
[11:05] <zozo> it continues even without keyboard at all
[11:05] <strk> does it stop if you unload USB related kernel modules ? (beware you'd get locked out)
[11:05] <strk> "it continues" means it also advances the cursor at every new incoming null ?
[11:06] <zozo> after ALT+F1 I constantly see ^@ get printed, one char per second, approx
[11:06] <strk> and one near the other, till it wraps to next line ?
[11:07] <strk> as if it was actually sent by a keyboard
[11:07] <zozo> didn't wait so long.
[11:07] <zozo> going to check line wrap and unload driver
[11:07] <zozo> brb
[11:08]  * strk suspects a bug in the keyboard driver (or onboard chip...)
[11:09] <zozo> so.. here are new info:
[11:09] <zozo> left arrow gives me ^[[D
[11:09] <strk> that's ok, expected
[11:09] <zozo> enter key press just do what it should -- new line
[11:10] <zozo> and ^@ are wrapping around after reaching end of line
[11:10] <strk> well, at least long time ago it was expected, nowadays it doensn't do it for me anymore :>
[11:10] <zozo> also, keyboard was working fine (I mean without this bug) some time ago, week or so.
[11:10] <strk> try ^.
[11:10] <zozo> seems to be related to system update
[11:10] <strk> CTRL-.
[11:11] <zozo> what should I expect?
[11:11] <strk> ^@ printed
[11:11] <strk> (not sure about this one, but I remember having seen it)
[11:12] <strk> did you try unloading the USB drivers ?
[11:12] <strk> I've sometimes saw ^@ (null) in logs when concurrent inputs arrived
[11:12] <strk> so for example could it be 2 different drivers are sending the input at the same time ?
[11:13] <zozo> ctrl-. does nothing
[11:13] <zozo> ctrl-/ wipes one cahr
[11:13] <zozo> "did you try unloading the USB drivers ?" not yet
[11:13] <strk> also consider the liveDVD boot, so you get a different kernel and set of modules
[11:14] <zozo> "lsmod | grep usb" gives me "usbhid                 49152  0  hid                   118784  2 hid_generic,usbhid"
[11:14] <zozo> should I unload all of them?
[11:14] <BillD73> zozo: no
[11:15] <geirha> what does echo "$TERM" output?
[11:15] <zozo> xterm
[11:15] <geirha> there's your problem, then
[11:16] <zozo> lol
[11:16] <geirha> something's overwriting the TERM variable. Probably .bashrc
[11:16] <zozo> how can I check that its exactly that?
[11:16] <multifractal> If there's some problem with one's Ubuntu installation, is it possible to use the USB stick to "repair" the installation i.e. re-install system files but keep user files from ~/ ?
[11:17] <geirha> zozo: you could try   PS4='+ $BASH_SOURCE:$LINENO:' bash -xlic ''   and see if you see TERM getting assigned at some point.
[11:18] <zozo> whoa!
[11:18] <zozo> is it some kind of tracing bash script?
[11:18] <geirha> the -x enables xtrace mode, yes
[11:19] <zozo> nice
[11:20] <strk> geirha: you mean if I set TERM=xterm from a console I'd start getting ^@ chars printed ?
[11:21] <xenoix> Multifractal, when you boot ubuntu there should be an option to start in recovery. And try to fix it from there
[11:21] <xenoix> It has worked for me multiple times
[11:21] <zozo> that's kind of weird statement, because on the other box i don't have such behavior with xterm set
[11:21] <multifractal> xenoix: OK but is that the general principle of "recovery"? It should replace system files but leave the user documents alone?
[11:22] <strk> zozo: /etc/termcap would also have a role in that case I guess (but I'd ask geirha to argument)
[11:23] <zozo> geirha: so If i create new user with standard bash shell (without TERM reassignments) It would be possible to eliminate this hypothesis ?
[11:23] <xenoix> multifractal. I'm by no means a linux "expert" but i usually just make a backup with the built in tool to another computer, then i do the updates on ubuntu and try to restart. If that doesn't work i do the upgrade command and try it all over.
[11:23] <geirha> Different terminals have different escape sequences. While a subset of xterm will also work on the virtual consoles, others will cause weird behaviors
[11:24] <zozo> that strange, but I don't have /etc/termcap
[11:25] <zozo> but I do have files in "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtermcap.[a|so]
[11:26] <geirha> termcap is old, terminfo is the new one
[11:26] <xenoix> Does anyone know how to hide the disconnect and join messages, i'm using irssi
[11:26] <geirha> xenoix: try #irssi
[11:27] <xenoix> Thx gierha ^^
[11:27]  * strk is old (as termcap)
[11:28] <strk> xenoix: smartfilter.pl is what I use (works great)
[11:29] <zozo> guys, I don't know if ti's enough: I've changed TERM=rxvt in .zshrc jsut to check
[11:30] <zozo> ^@ still there. Should I reboot?
[11:30] <strk> try TERM=linz
[11:30] <strk> but make sure you enabled those traces, in case something overrides that TERM
[11:31] <strk> TERM=linux (sorry
[11:31] <geirha> zozo: you should not modify TERM from the shell at all. It's the terminal emulator that sets TERM to indicate what capabilities it has
[11:32] <xenoix> Geirha, #irssi helped me thanks
[11:33] <__rob> hi
[11:33] <xenoix> Hi ^^
[11:33] <__rob> I have a server running on 16.10 yakkety and it has slowly become more important then originally intended
[11:34] <__rob> starting to have problems finding packages for it too
[11:34] <zozo> geirha: what is the right way to change TERM to linux?
[11:34] <__rob> what is the easiest path to upgrade this to the latest LTS version
[11:34] <__rob> do-release-upgrade doesn't work atall to artful
[11:34] <geirha> zozo: to remove the overwriting of it from the shell's rc files
[11:35] <__rob> and It wouldn't have been an LTS version
[11:37] <BeforeClick> does anyone know a tutorial on how to install metasploit that doesn't require additional PPAs?
[11:38] <Erayaydin> Hello, when I use `nc -l 80` its not work. But if I use `nc -l -p 80` its work. Is there any change in nc?
[11:38] <Erayaydin> what I cant use only -l
[11:38] <Erayaydin> I remember its work before
[11:38] <zozo> geirha: I've checked this PS4 trick and didn't find any TERM reassignment
[11:39] <geirha> Erayaydin: there are different implementations of nc with slightly different syntax
[11:39] <geirha> zozo: I assumed you were using bash, but apparenly you used zsh
[11:39] <Erayaydin> geirha: is this because of distro or netcat self?
[11:39] <typecho> vvv
[11:40] <zozo> geirha -- you're right, but i don't know how did you..
[11:41] <zozo> I've switched back to bash, but still problem is here
[11:41] <zozo> which driver should I unload to check it?
[11:42] <geirha> Erayaydin: apt search ^netcat    there's -traditional and -openbsd, you're probably used to the other one than the one you currently have installed
[11:42] <strk> geirha: for a test, shouldn't setting TERM back to linux manually work ?
[11:42] <geirha> yes
[11:43] <strk> zozo: see if that helps before moving on ^
[11:44] <JoeLlama> ok thanks dax (delayed response)
[11:53] <zozo> strk: no luck
[11:53] <zozo> which module could I remove?
[11:57] <strk> did you check it is not overridden ?
[11:58] <zozo> yes, i did
[11:59] <zozo> in all this output I do not see any appearance of TERM
[12:02] <__rob> https://askubuntu.com/questions/996768/upgrade-from-yakkety-yak-ubuntu-16-10-when-its-end-of-life
[12:02] <__rob> using this answer to upgrade
[12:02] <__rob> commented out the lines in the python upgrade script
[12:02] <__rob> and it now finds zesty, problem now is it errors calculating the upgrade
[12:03] <strk> zozo: echo $TERM # still gives you "linux" ?
[12:04] <zozo> right
[12:04] <zozo> seems like deadend
[12:04] <__rob> "Can't install 'xubuntu-core' "
[12:04] <zozo> I don't want to reinstall whole system because of that
[12:06] <strk> if you have a way to hard-reboot you could try the unload *all* usb modules
[12:06] <zozo> yeah, I can reboot it via button
[12:06] <__rob> thats the last lines of my apt upgrade log for anyone that might be able to help me https://pastebin.com/3pjMKpCi
[12:06] <zozo> how can I get a list of all usb modules?
[12:06] <__rob> from /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[12:07] <strk> lsmod | grep usb
[12:10] <strk> another idea could be checking who has /dev/console open - fuser /dev/console - check out fuser `tty`
[12:14] <zozo> also, I've tried old keyboard, analog one. and I can't plug it. I mean, it doesn't work
[12:16] <BillD73> zozo: I believe you have to boot with analog keyboard connected
[12:16] <zozo> another box works fine with hotplug
[12:16] <zozo> but I can check
[12:16] <strk> "analog" means non-usb ?
[12:17] <zozo> yeah
[12:17] <BillD73> zozo: lucky you, i never had any luck doing that lol
[12:18] <strk> maybe that's how you broke the keyboard hardware ?
[12:18] <zozo> no, it's different machines
[12:18] <strk> so that it now sends unknown power signals translated to ^@ in your console output ?
[12:19] <strk> ah, "pity" (for the debugging of problem)
[12:19] <zozo> strk: yeah, I still have this ^@ chars
[12:19] <zozo> going to check 2 things: unload usb drivers, and install another one kernel
[12:21] <BillD73> zozo: are you ssh in to machine producing ^@ ?
[12:22] <strk> BillD73: nope (he already said)
[12:22] <strk> zozo: also check TERM in your ssh sessions
[12:23] <zozo> ssh session TERM is linux
[12:23] <zozo> going to unload modules
[12:23] <strk> one more point for geirha idea of it being dependent on TERM ...
[12:23] <BillD73> zozo: I would ssh in from working machine, unload the module usbhid , unpug the usb keybrd, shutdown via sudo shutdown, wait 10 or 15 secs, plug usb keyboard back in, boot and try again
[12:24] <zozo> well, I've unloaded module
[12:25] <zozo> but without unplugging
[12:25] <BillD73> zozo: if the kyboard fails to respond, ssh in and check  the lsmod | grep usb and see if it loaded usbhid again during boot
[12:26] <oerheks> or walk over there, plug in your keyboard you are working on, etc etc
[12:26] <oerheks> :-D
[12:26] <BillD73> something is corrupting something somehwhere.
[12:26] <zozo> so here is what I did: ssh from another machine, unload usb modules, and checked tt1: The ^@ are still there
[12:26] <zozo> "something is corrupting something somehwhere."!!! you're rught!!
[12:26] <zozo> right*
[12:26] <BillD73> i just hotswapped my usb wireless keyboard with a usb wired on my tower and had no issues
[12:27] <zozo> so, we are out of ideas, right?
[12:27] <BillD73> zozo: thought
[12:28] <BillD73> zozo: how old is the kybrd and do you eat around it? clean it regularly?
[12:29] <BillD73> "gamer" kybrds tend to get a lot of skin oils built up around the actuator
[12:29] <BillD73> and dust lol
[12:29] <zozo> BillD73: I've tried another one -- result the same
[12:29] <BillD73> ok
[12:29] <zozo> and another one is working one
[12:30] <zozo> also ^@ repeating even without keyboard (with unplugged) so I don't think that problem is in dirty keyboard
[12:30] <BillD73> hmmm
[12:30] <zozo> just trying to understand what are layers between actually typing and displaying chars there
[12:30] <zozo> I've read TTY demystifying some time ago, but don't think that it could help me here
[12:31] <zozo> http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/
[12:31] <zozo> demystified -- sorry
[12:32] <francois_> salut
[12:32] <francois_> bonjour
[12:33] <xenoix> I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago.... Grabbed the latest updates and everything worked... I have no idea why zozo
[12:34] <xenoix> zozo: which shell are you using?
[12:34] <zozo> bash \ zsh
[12:35] <strk> zozo: you mentioned ^@ also appears when you *unplug* the keyboard, didn't you ?
[12:35] <BillD73> zozo: seen a bug report for it as well just, diff character "5". also have you tried disabling keyrepeat in gui or bios?
[12:35] <strk> so how much food you keep in your keyboard is irrelevant
[12:36] <BillD73> strk:  yeah I missed that part
[12:36] <xenoix> strk: haha
[12:37] <zozo> strk: yeah, ^@ continues with and without keyboard
[12:37] <BillD73> zozo: though those bug rprts were for wireless logitechs
[12:39] <zozo> "keyrepeat in gui or bios" -- I was playing with keyboard's repeat time and dely time or what do you call that settings.
[12:39] <zozo> it just changes number of characters I can get just pressing any key
[12:39] <zozo> holidng*
[12:39] <BillD73> kbdrate yeah
[12:39] <zozo> ok, so I gonna do full upgrade
[12:40] <BillD73> zozo: test.  open a windowed term and then another window, say a picture. resize where you can see both and then take focus away from term by click pic window
[12:41] <BillD73> watch term and see if it continues inputting ^@
[12:41] <oerheks> change it back then .. really, is it so hard ?
[12:41] <BillD73> oerheks: lol
[12:41] <oerheks> wait, trolls always come up with something they did but didn't mention before.. and ignore it right after they mention it..
[12:42] <zozo> BillD73: ^@ only in tty
[12:42] <zozo> not in emulated
[12:42]  * oerheks wanders off
[12:44] <zozo> xenoix: what was your updates which fixed that?
[12:46] <ang310> hi all I would like to Add custom color to directory listings.
[12:47] <ang310> I have created a .dircolors folder
[12:47] <ang310> and throw in there a theme for directory listings
[12:47] <ang310> then 'source .bashrc' but nothing seems to happen
[12:47] <ang310> anyone has a suggestion?
[12:48] <jami> Is there something wrong with the ubuntu 17.10 repos? I just tried to update my lists but some server are not available? E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_4.13.0-31.34_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
[12:49] <deem> jami: nope. working fine here
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:50] <oerheks> jami, old verion, current sec update is 4.13.0-32.35 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=artful&keywords=linux-libc-dev
[12:50] <gandrusjacopo> oi
[12:50] <lucentimattia> bella
[12:50] <gandrusjacopo> copiamo
[12:50] <lucentimattia> seeeee
[12:50] <gandrusjacopo> come stronzi
[12:51] <BillD73> zozo: do as oerheks mentioned, put your kbdrate back to what is was before hand and try it again
[12:51] <metastable>  export BYOBU_CHARMAP=UTF-8 ; . ~/.bashrc
[12:52] <metastable> Doh.
[12:52] <metastable> Sorry about that.
[12:52] <jami> hm
[12:52] <oerheks> jami, if update errors persist, change mirror? or wait a few minutes, this could be a mirror getting updates
[12:53] <ang310> :/p
[12:53] <ang310> \p
[12:56] <jami> oerheks: it was a docker image issue :) docker pull and the lists where up to date
[12:56] <barcode> hi. i have a question regarding ubuntu 18: will versions of included packages change for the final release? (e.g. cmake is 3.9 at on the nightly. will it be 3.10 on the final release)
[12:56] <al2o3-cr> is it right to put xinput commands in .xinitrc?
[12:57] <akik> al2o3-cr: if it works, it's right
[12:57] <al2o3-cr> akik: it's not working though, i have to issuse sh .xinitrc when logged in
[12:58] <akik> al2o3-cr: although i think the correct file now is either .xsession or .xsessionrc
[12:58] <akik> it's changed from year to year
[12:58] <al2o3-cr> akik: ok i'll try them thanks.
[13:01] <sadtaco> How do I run a script at startup if I'm running a system headless so there isn't actually a user logging in until SSHing in?
[13:02] <zozo> BillD73: changing the rate is not affecting ^@ presence
[13:02] <akik> sadtaco: you can put the commands into /etc/rc.local and run: sudo chmod +x /etc/rc.local
[13:02] <zozo> I will try later load from livecd
[13:03] <sadtaco> Oh. And that can be pointed to execute something in the user's directory and it should execute it fine, yeah?
[13:03] <sadtaco> For some reason I thought that only ran on login
[13:03] <akik> sadtaco: you can use a command like "su - username -c command"
[13:04] <akik> sadtaco: if the command requires tty access you might need to use "nohup command &" to handle it
[13:05] <akik> sadtaco: i.e. the command stays running but doesn't become a daemon itself
[13:06] <barcode> are ubuntu 18 package versions already frozen (the schedule is after FeatureDefinitionFreeze but before FeatureFreeze)? if ubuntu 18 package versionss are not frozen, where can i request for a package to be updated for the final release?
[13:06] <sadtaco> Well who executes /etc/rc.local?  If I chmod +x my bash script in user directory, it should execute it fine, no?
[13:07] <akik> barcode: support in #ubuntu+1
[13:07] <akik> sadtaco: root
[13:07] <sadtaco> Well then yeah. Alright
[13:07] <BillD73> zozo: ok  sorry, Im at a loss.  The only tiem i ever experienced this as a with a logitect wireless keyboard and mouse connecting to a IR via usb on win Xp pro years ago.  unplugged the USB section turned of board and mouse, swapped batteries, pulgged in and turn on and it was fixed, but thisis not oyur case since your using a wired usb keyboard
[13:09] <zozo> BillD73 thanks anyway
[13:09] <zozo> I'm gonna try further
[13:10] <dingir_> quick question..
[13:10] <dingir_> how comes "sudo passwd root" allows me, as a normal user, to change the root password?
[13:10] <dingir_> if i add another account someone could change my root password?1
[13:11] <BillD73> dingir_  have you used zudo and supplied root password in the current session?
[13:11] <BillD73> err sudo
[13:11] <dingir_> no, sudo passwd root asks for my user password
[13:11] <dingir_> i enter my login passowrd, then it asks for NEW UNIX password
[13:12] <akik> dingir_: the command "sudo passwd root" literally means, use the root account to change root user's password
[13:12] <BillD73> dingir_:  that seems normal to me.  you had to supply sudo password first
[13:12] <dingir_> so anyone with sudo access can change the root password?
[13:13] <BillD73> dingir_ so long as they now the root password
[13:13] <wrq7253> anyone with (unrestricted) sudo access *is* root
[13:13] <dingir_> if i add an account for "user1" with password "user1234" then user1 can run "sudo passwd root" and enter "user1234" as password to change the root password....
[13:13] <akik> dingir_: don't give other users full sudo access but limit them to only the commands you want them to run as root
[13:13] <dingir_> hrm confused a bit but ok
[13:14] <dingir_> i find it odd i could changer the root password with my login password
[13:14] <akik> dingir_: sudo configuration can limit everything a user can do
[13:14] <wrq7253> BillD73: they don't even need to know the root password: sudo sh -c "echo root:root | chpasswd"
[13:14] <akik> dingir_: by default ubuntu lets the initial user run all commands as root
[13:14] <dingir_> ok
[13:21] <fallingau> hey i seem to be having an issue with ubuntu's firewall ?
[13:22] <fallingau> installed gufw, run it and nothing ever pops up
[13:24] <fallingau> sudo ufw status shows inactive but for some reason deluge seems to be getting blocked
[13:32] <oerheks> fallingau, sudo ufw enable # should enable it
[13:36] <oerheks> on 17.10 the Gufw tool is not visible, i noticed, like synaptic :-(
[13:37] <fluri> I have the following problem: I wanted to format my pendrive using the disk application. Unfortunatly, I accidently selected the wrong disk and erasing partitions. I, accidentally, deleted two partitions on my main disk. I am wondering now what partitions I deleted. There are still two big partitions/logical volumes (containing the actual data) intact. They are labeled as LUKS (which seems to be the encrypted file system) and LVM2 both 
[13:37] <fluri> The disk itself is 256G
[13:37] <akik> oerheks: is it the problem with sudo apps in wayland?
[13:37] <fluri> so, the partitions I removed have 1G
[13:38] <oerheks> akik, synaptics is a known issue, on fedora/wayland too, they are working on it
[13:38] <oerheks> now gufw is new to me
[13:38] <fluri> I am wondering now what kind of partitions these were (the swap partition is the only one which comes into my mind) and whether I am able to recover it without reinstalling ubuntu
[13:38] <oerheks> recovering accidental deleted luks partitions, oh dear ..
[13:40] <fluri> do you know which other partition is missing @oerheks?
[13:40] <oerheks> the / = root and /home/ i guess
[13:42] <fallingau> sorry, reset my router heh. ufw is inactive and port forwarding is active on router side but deluge is showing port open, then port blocked 2 min later
[13:43] <fluri> @oerheks: but isn't the root and the home the big partition with the actual data?
[13:43] <fluri> couldn't it be boot and swap (since it's only 1G that was freed)
[13:44] <oerheks> fluri, restoring those partitions, especially luks, can be hard to do, i would boot up a live iso, install extundelete, and see wht it brings, formatting should not zero the data > http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/extundelete.1.html
[13:45] <fallingau> i guess im question is really: is there anything ubuntu wise as to why the ports that show open get closed after about 5 seconds. only having this issue with this system. all other items on the network have no issue
[13:45] <sadtaco> ughhhh I keep not being able to ssh in and keep having this computer going down.
[13:45] <oerheks> and did you use full encryption, or just your home?
[13:46] <fluri> full encryption. But I am still on the machine
[13:46] <fluri> I am backing up the data right now
[13:47] <oerheks> good start.
[13:51] <oerheks> fallingau, sudo ufw enable # should enable it, see it it works and stays open?
[13:54] <fallingau> oerheks, ahh so you mean that without the firewall enabled that the ports are getting shut off ?
[13:55] <fallingau> have enabled the firewall, downloads picked up for a second and then stopped again
[13:56] <oerheks> fallingau, oke, then i have no clue :-(
[13:56] <fallingau> on the bright side, my torrent is almost finished
[13:57] <fallingau> utorrent'd it on my phone while trying to figure this out lol
[13:59] <strk> after upgrading from 17.04 to 17.10 the indicator applet nevershows ethernet connection being active
[14:00] <strk> rather it sticks with the empty wireless icon (I disabled wireless)
[14:00] <fallingau> oh well. figure it out another time. thank you for the help oerheks, much appreciated dood ^_^
[14:01] <eddie> db, I'm trying to fix it now Stan
[14:07] <kirillow> I installed 17.10 on a ThinkPad x270 and I have the following problem: Ubuntu boots only exactly every other time. It boots. I shut it down. I start again. Black screen. Hold power button. I start again. It boots. Repeat. Incidentally I have the same problem on an older acer aspire 1. it is driving me nuts and I can't find anything on that online.
[14:08] <kirillow> in both cases Im using grub. in both cases only ubuntu is installed
[14:13] <Exterminador> stupid question: can I block a certain program from accessing other than just localhost and listen in any of the available IP addresses?
[14:15] <akik> kirillow: have you modified the kernel acpi configuration? TJ- has created a script which digs out the latest value that is used by windows to control the acpi subsystem and it adds the same setting for grub
[14:15] <sadtaco> I'm seemingly having trouble with 16 booting myself.
[14:15] <sadtaco> And it's on a desktop.
[14:16] <kirillow> akik: (not sure I understand) I haven't modified a thing. It's a fresh install on both machines. And it's the same after multiple reinstalls..
[14:16] <jusss> how I can disable the on-screen keyboard? it always pop up when I open something there's a input frame
[14:17] <akik> kirillow: acpi is advanced configuration and power interface which laptop manufacturers design with windows in mind
[14:17] <jusss> I try in settings- univsal access, turn it off, and it doesn't work
[14:17] <akik> kirillow: for linux you have in some cases tell the laptop how to use acpi
[14:17] <kirillow> akik: and there's a script i can run to do that?
[14:18] <akik> kirillow: yes
[14:19] <kirillow> akik: where?
[14:19] <akik> kirillow: can't find it right now. hold on
[14:20] <sadtaco> Looks like one of my GPU connections or something is faulty, or xorg config. Could be BIOS too but I don't think so.
[14:21] <kirillow> akik: Thanks!
[14:21] <akik> kirillow: it basically just reads the acpi dsdt table "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows" then gets the latest windows label
[14:22] <BillD73> jusss: ubuntu version?
[14:22] <akik> kirillow: then it adds GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\" in /etc/default/grub
[14:22] <jusss> BillD73: 17.10 gnome
[14:22] <akik> kirillow: after a sudo update-grub and a reboot that new value is active
[14:24] <john_rambo> I am getting this error while running apt-get update >>> https://paste2.org/4YFMLD6X
[14:24] <akik> kirillow: can't understand why i can't find the link for you since he refers to it very often here :)
[14:24] <BillD73> jusss: https://askubuntu.com/questions/965250/on-screen-keyboard-popping-up-whenever-i-touch-screen/967831#967831
[14:28] <jusss> BillD73: I wonderful if I can just remove the caribou thing?
[14:28] <oerheks> john_rambo, likely it is line 13: Mirror sync in progress?
[14:28] <oerheks> wait a few minutes and try again?
[14:28] <rosco> is there a way to open a shell during the install of ubuntu 16.04.3? none of the ctrl+alt+fx gives me a shell.
[14:28] <BillD73> jusss: couldnt say   no exp with the touchscreens
[14:29] <john_rambo> oerheks, Presently running "Select best mirror"
[14:29] <shy> lalalal
[14:29] <jusss> BillD73: ok
[14:29] <oerheks> rosco, no, Terminal emulator (GUI terminal) is available only in the Try Ubuntu mode, not when installer is running.
[14:29] <shy> anybody Chinese
[14:30] <shy> excuse me
[14:30] <shy> hello?
[14:30] <kostkon> !cn | shy
[14:31] <Aniar> is there a packaging or i18n-specific ubuntu channel?
[14:33] <dingir_> what does it mean "mkdir -p"
[14:34] <oerheks> !packaging | Aniar, join #ubuntu-packaging or see:
[14:34] <akik> dingir_: you can create all the subdirectories with one command "mkdir -p a/b/c/d/e/f
[14:35] <dingir_> thank you
[14:35] <Aniar> oerheks: thanks!
[14:41] <strk> moving windows with alt-drag broke too :(
[14:41] <strk> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/77sisy/ubuntu_1710_altclick_move_windows/
[14:42] <strk> ah,"super" key works, great
[14:42] <akik> of course it needed to be changed, because of change(?)
[14:43] <oerheks> it has been ctrl+super for ages ..
[14:47] <strk> I always used alt
[14:47] <strk> yeah, change for change sucks
[14:51] <strk> is the disappearing of cable-connection icon in indicator applet another such change ?
[14:51] <strk> you know the two arrows (up and down)?
[14:52] <strk> replacing the wireless signal strenght icon, when connected via cable
[14:53] <deem> strk: you can chnage it back to move windows with alt. i'm moving my windows with alt too. (if you're talking about gnome)
[14:54] <strk> I think it's gnome, yes
[14:54] <strk> any not-changing-for-change keystrokes to pop-up a desktop version ? :)
[14:57] <deem> strk: nothing i'm aware off, but if it's a default installation of 17.10 it's gnome
[14:58] <localhost_> s.a
[14:58] <localhost_> Türk varmı
[14:59] <jusss> is 32bit ubuntu better than 64bit ubuntu when I run it on a chip cpu of 64bit with a merroy less than 2GB?
[14:59] <jusss> SoC
[14:59] <strk> pretty much a default installation yes
[15:10] <jusss> hi there, I found my ubuntu is stuck in login page, I mean when I put the user and password in it, and click ok, then it pop the login page again, I cann't get into the system
[15:10] <jusss> I have tried restart gdm in tty, that still happens
[15:11] <jusss> 17.10 gnome
[15:13] <EriC^> jusss: try checking the ownership of the file ~/.Xauthority
[15:13] <EriC^> it should be owned by your user and read writable
[15:14] <jusss> ok, wait a sec, I will boot it
[15:15] <dreamscape> Hi all, got a Ubuntu 16.04 (MATE) install here which i'd like to encrypt the data on (not just home, full disk) how can i do this after install? (I'm also dual booting with Windows 10 not sure if that effects anything?)
[15:16] <jusss> EriC^^: aha, it is owned by root
[15:18] <EriC^^> jusss: cool, sudo rm it and try logging in
[15:20] <leftyfb> dreamscape: you don't. You need to do that at install time
[15:24] <oerheks> FF58 in updates
[15:24] <jusss> EriC^^: still that
[15:25] <jusss> EriC^^: should I re-install gnome?
[15:25] <oerheks> jusss, maybe your system is not wayland compatible, choos xorg from loginscreen, next to your user name
[15:26] <jusss> oerheks: I trie 'ubuntu' and 'ubuntu on Xorg' both
[15:26] <Toba> how do I configure ubuntu 17.10 to not try to use wayland?
[15:26] <Toba> Is there a config file I can edit and then reboot?
[15:26] <Toba> the issue is, that my screen is so glitchy that I can't even navigate UIs
[15:27] <jusss> Toba: choose it on the login page
[15:27] <Toba> Pics/video of glitches are posted here - https://twitter.com/toba/status/957270281910931457
[15:27] <Toba> which part of the UI is it? I literally can't read text
[15:27] <Toba> on my screen, mostly
[15:49] <nicomachus> Toba: there should be a litle icon at the top-right corner of the user/password box
[15:50] <jusss> EriC^^: I check the log via journalctl, and I found it is unable to read ICE authority file ~/.ICEauthority, so I delete it too, now I can get into the system
[15:50] <nicomachus> is there a way to find the file location of the icon that an app is using for the dock?
[16:02] <ioria> nicomachus, should tell  the  .dekstop file in /usr/share/applications... so   , something like : grep Icon  /usr/share/applications/myapp.desktop |  cut -f2 -d= | xargs locate | grep my_theme    ; e.g.      grep Icon  /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop |  cut -f2 -d= | xargs locate | grep Humanity
[16:05] <nicomachus> ioria: what if it's a snap?
[16:05] <rlangford77> Hi.  I'm aware of https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ to find cloud images (for aws, specifically).  I'm wondering, is there also an SNS topic that announces AMI publish events as well?
[16:06] <nicomachus> ioria: I installed the Spotify snap and the icon is super pixellated compared to everything else on the dock. it wasn't like that before, when I had spotify installed via deb. and I'm using an icon pack so I can't figure out why it would be different anyway.
[16:06] <nicomachus> and there's no spotify.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/
[16:16] <qwebirc52564> Hello, I'm having a problem killing a process (mplayer) accessing a remote file via sshfs, but the sshfs terminated abnormally.  Even after I killed the associated sshfs/ssh processes, it still does not allow me to kill mplayer even with SIGKILL - is this a linux kernel bug or a FUSE/sshfs bug?
[16:17] <deem> qwebirc52564: in which state is the process "D"?
[16:17] <deem> i mean, is it in state "D"?
[16:20] <qwebirc52564> deem:  /bin/ps -eFwwH output is as follows:		mythbun+  1361  2256  0 45034 31428   3 Jan27 pts/4    00:04:14             /usr/bin/mplayer -quiet -softvol -softvol-max 10000 -quiet -cache 32768 -noconfig all -ao alsa:noblock:device=hw=0    /...[PATH-TO-SSHFS-FILE]...
[16:21] <deem> qwebirc52564: yea. that's not helpfull. "ps faux | grep mplayer" in a pastebin would be helpfull
[16:23] <qwebirc52564> deem:  output of "ps faux | grep mplayer" does NOT show the mplayer process.  it is short, so here:  mythbun+ 24193  0.0  0.0 119044  1036 pts/39   S+   16:13   0:00      |           \_ grep mplayer
[16:25] <MoPac> Hello. I'm confused since GTK 3.2 about what actually needs to be put into a gtk.css config file in order to set a minimum scrollbar width. The microscopic scrolbars are a real problem for me, but the old methods are deprecated. The reference says to modify the slider element, but I can't actually find the syntax for doing that.
[16:27] <deem> that's strange. it should show the process. you can check the state of the process also with top: "top -p 1361"
[16:29] <qwebirc52564> deem:  sorry, I posted wrong command output - mplayer shows up correctly.  it is short, so here:  mythbun+  1361  0.1  0.2 180136 31428 pts/4    D+   Jan27   4:14      |       |   \_ /usr/bin/mplayer -quiet -softvol -softvol-max 10000 -user-agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0 -quiet -cache 32768 -noconfig all -ao alsa:noblock:device=hw=0 /...[PATH-TO-SSHFS-FILE]...
[16:31] <deem> qwebirc52564: as i thought. if it's in state "D" it's waiting for I/O. In your case this I/O will never arrive, cause the sshfs connection broke down. I never experience a case where this will be solved by itself and i don't know any other way than rebooting the machine to fix this
[16:32] <cschneid> Can somebody give me the one-line pitch on what systemd is? Seems to be an init system + a bunch of other stuff?
[16:33] <qwebirc52564> deem:  that was what I suspected would be the case.  I really wish SIGKILL lived up to its name, and that it kills the process immediately or within a reasonable amount of time, regardless of circumstances...  Does that mean its a bug in the linux kernel or sshfs or FUSE or is my understanding of SIGKILL not correct?
[16:35] <deem> qwebirc52564: as far as i know this is the expected behaviour for processes waiting for I/O
[16:36] <deem> qwebirc52564: if they're waiting for I/O there is no way killing them. maybe someone knows how to kill them anyways, but to me there is no other way than to reboot, as i said previously
[16:37] <qwebirc52564> deem:  I see.  I have a follow-up question.  If that blocked mplayer process has a lock on the audio device, is there a way to release that lock so that other processes (including another mplayer process) can access the audio device and thus play audio?
[16:38] <deem> qwebirc52564: my knowledge about audio under linux is limited, so i'm afraid i can't answer this question
[16:40] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: is the sshfs still showing as mounted with "mount" ? If so, you could try "sudo umount --force" ?
[16:42] <qwebirc52564> deem:  This might be more of a process-file-release question rather than specific to audio.  lsof shows that mplayer has the audio device open, so is there a way to get processes to release/close that file, relevant lsof output is as follows:  mplayer 1361 mythbuntu    7u   CHR              116,3      0t0     17084 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[16:43] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: A process is in TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE (ps shows as D - uninterruptable) because it had locks on vital I/O data-structures and is waiting on the I/O to complete. Back in 2008 TASK_KILLABLE was added but even now not many sub-systems have been able to move to it because of the nature of incomplete I/O
[16:44] <auronandace> TJ-: just to let you know hans__ in ##linux was looking for you earlier. he wanted to thank you for helping him with UEFI
[16:44] <iulian_> Hello, did Clementine mpris it's disabled ?
[16:44] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  I already killed the sshfs/ssh procesess and restarted a new sshfs to the same remote system.  Unfortunately, I cannot access audio anymore - and I hate to have to restart the computer simply because a hung/blocked mplayer process will not release the audio device.
[16:45] <TJ-> auronandace: thanks  for the update :)
[16:46] <iulian_> qdbus org.mpris.clementine
[16:46] <iulian_>     Service 'org.mpris.clementine' does not exist.
[16:46] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  So, would that mean that it is a bug in mplayer for still using the older TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE instead of using the relatively newer TASK_KILLABLE ?
[16:48] <qwebirc52564> or would it mean that it is a bug in some linux-kernel subsystem?
[16:48] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: no, those are kernel states due to the I/O functions the process called
[16:49] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  so, are there newer IO system calls that allow the process to be in TASK_KILLABLE rather than TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE ?  I'm just trying to figure out if this is a bug in mplayer, or linux kernel , or sshfs/fuse or ...  some combination of them?
[16:50] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: effectively, the user-space process tries to do some I/O operation, say a read(), and whilst the kernel I/O sub-system is dealing with it the underlying device 'disappears' or fails to respond, just as the code path entered a critical section where the I/O data structures are in-between states and there's a lock held. Because the I/O can't complete nor back-out, it's stuck. If it were 'killed'
[16:50] <TJ-> then it could leave the kernel in an unstable state
[16:51] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: it's not a bug as such, it's a result of the way the I/O sub-system operates, which is often dictated by the underyling hardware
[16:56] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  if it is not a bug, is it likely a design flaw in the linux kernel and/or SSHFS/FUSE IO subsystem?  or is it because of of older/deprecated features (TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE) rather than newer features (TASK_KILLABLE)?  Because the resulting behavior is certainly frustrating to people who rarely shutdown/reboot their machines...  And seems like, I am forced to do this just because that blocked mplayer process has a lock on the 
[16:59] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: the issue is in FUSE. I see there was a patch proposal in 2013 to switch to TASK_KILLABLE but don't see anything came of it
[17:00] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  I see.  One last follow-up question before I give up on this and finally resort to rebooting...  Is it possible to force that blocked mplayer to release that audio device so that other processes can play audio?  Again, the relevant output of lsof is as follows:      mplayer 1361 mythbuntu    7u   CHR              116,3      0t0     17084 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[17:01] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: interesting question!
[17:03] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: there is a way, but it is 'very' hackerish - using the debugger gdb to attach to the process and then call close() on the file descriptor
[17:04] <qwebirc52564> actually lsof shows that mplayer has that file open twice, one in 'mem' CHR type, and another in descriptor 7u:		mplayer 1361 mythbuntu  mem    CHR              116,3              17084 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[17:04] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: if you do "ls -l /proc/>PID-of-mplayer/fd/" and identify the FD number for the sound device first
[17:05] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: then you can try something like "gdb -p <PID-of-mplayer>" then "p close(<FD-of-sound-device>)"
[17:05] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: then "continue" and then "quit"
[17:07] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  And that would work even if mplayer was compiled without debugging symbols/info and with optimizations?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> MPV ftw
[17:10] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: Yes
[17:10] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  GDB could not attach to it as a regular (non-root) user: Attaching to process 1361 Could not attach to process.  If your uid matches the uid of the target process, check the setting of /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope, or try again as the root user.  For more details, see /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf ptrace: Operation not permitted.
[17:10] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: use sudo then
[17:11] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  When I try to use GDB to attach to the process 1361 using root (sudo), it hangs with the message:  "Attaching to process 1361"
[17:11] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: grrr; due to the task being in TASK_UNINTERRUPTABLE... can't win can you!?
[17:12] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  ouch...  seems like i've exhausted every option besides rebooting at this point, doesn't it... ;-(
[17:18] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  this is a really stupid/ignorant question, but I'll ask anyways:  manually removing the symbolic link to /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p via '/usr/bin/sudo /bin/rm -fv  /proc/1361/fd/7'  will not solve this problem, will it?
[17:21] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: no :)
[17:21] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: you can always try though, you've not got anything to lose at this point
[17:23] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  true, but it did not work even with sudo:   rm: cannot remove '/proc/1361/fd/7': Operation not permitted
[17:27] <anatras> ciao
[17:29] <xuser> Hello
[17:30] <l0llip0p> xuser: hello
[17:30] <hydruid> Is there a cisco call manager channel?
[17:30] <xuser> I have no idea, I just started using this program.
[17:30] <xuser> Can anyone inform me how this works?
[17:31] <l0llip0p> xuser: you ask a guestion and wait for possible answer
[17:31] <xuser> OK
[17:32] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  apparently, you can only/easily close the file descriptors of a running bash process within that bash shell, but for any other process, gdb attachment is required:  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5987820/how-to-close-file-descriptor-via-linux-shell-command   https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/123413/close-all-file-descriptors-in-bash
[17:35] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: Yes, bash and most shells are designed for handling multiple FDs efficiently, but that is no different to having 'mplayer' close it's own FDs - if bash were stuck in TASK_UNINTERRUPTABLE the same problem will happen.
[17:41] <TJ-> qwebirc52564: I see someone saying they HUPed PID 1 - the init system to clear uninterruptable tasks, but that is about the same as a reboot - and doesn't guarantee the kernel is in a consistent state.
[17:48] <livingroompi> Hello
[18:03] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  I understand.
[18:03] <qwebirc52564> TJ-:  deem:  I admit defeat.  ;-(    thanks for the info/help.  no choice but to reboot then....
[18:06] <nardian> hello - i have a problem with ubuntu 17.10. I have a KVM - HDMI switch, and on every boot, ubuntu mostly fails to activatethe monitor. keyboard and mouse are working fine, but most times i have to boot an other computer on the kvm, switch to that port, wait for the monitor to get online, switch back to ubuntu - then everything works.
[18:06] <nardian> currently the monitor does not seem to work at all, i plugged a second monitor directly to the ubuntu machine, thats how i can type here
[18:06] <nardian> (the monitor is fine, i tested it by directly plugging it in to the ubuntu machine, no problems there)
[18:08] <TJ-> nardian: does that KVM work with older Ubuntu releases? Does it work with the 17.10 "Ubuntu on Xorg" session instead of the default Wayland session?
[18:09] <nardian> TJ, i didnt test it with older versions (got it to christmas :) )
[18:09] <nardian> nor did i tested it with xorg
[18:10] <nardian> until I plugged in this second monitor, it was hard to get it "online", but once it was online, it worked well (including switching to other ports and back)
[18:11] <TJ-> nardian: if the current session is Wayland I'd be eager to point the finger at it :) Try booting and choosing the Xorg session at the greeter, just to confirm whether that is the cause or not
[18:11] <nardian> TJ, sure, I can try, but I'm not perfectly sure what I have to look for / where I can choose between those two
[18:12] <nardian> do you mean at the login-screen where I usually have to type in my password this little icon where I can choose the desktop manager?
[18:13] <nardian> if so, i dont really need a reboot, only a re-login, am i right?
[18:13] <TJ-> nardian: at the greeter /log-in screen there should be a cog icon for selecting the session on the taskbar
[18:13] <ioria> nardian, https://didrocks.fr/images/artful-shell-transition/ubuntu-default-sessions.png
[18:14] <nardian> thanks, brb
[18:14] <TJ-> nardian: I'm suggesting a reboot since you ought to reproduce the cold-boot initialisation/discovery phase with the KVM attached to that 'lost' monitor
[18:14] <zomaar> nVidia GPU apparently died at least for the HDMI part and now trying AMD graphics card but system freezes when amdgpu.ko loads and has no support in the radeon driver, but still using 4.10 Xenial kernel, any standard resource for this or do I just have to upgrade the kernel?
[18:14] <zomaar> I mean that nomodeset allows me to boot, but it can't load amdgpu.ko that way
[18:14] <jbrown419> hello all, im in need of some assistance
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> !ask | jbrown419
[18:16] <NIck73> Someone alive here?
[18:16] <zomaar> Go ahead jbrown419
[18:17] <jbrown419> Ubuntu will not start-up. It goes to black screen command line from which i cannot do anything because the system is red-only for some reason
[18:17] <jbrown419> it will not boot from  usb either
[18:17] <nardian_> TJ, for some reason, I had 2 Ubuntu on Xorg, one had a blank circle beside it, the other circle was filled with an ubuntu-ish logo... looked like I already was on one of them, now im on the other... dont see much differnce neither in ubuntu nor with the kvm problem
[18:17] <Bashing-om> NIck73: Throw some bait out and see what bites :)
[18:17] <zomaar> jbrown419: Is it a (initramfs) command line or a different kind of rescue prompt?
[18:18] <zomaar> jbrown419: Also, is this 17.10?
[18:18] <jbrown419> not sure, i would imagine its not initramfs because of the read-only problem. and it is 17.20
[18:18] <jbrown419> er .10
[18:18] <zomaar> Was it always this way or is this new
[18:18] <zomaar> I mean is this a fresh install
[18:19] <jbrown419> this is new. i put a clean install last night on macmini server and everything seemed fine. restarted this morning and here i am
[18:19] <peter_> lol
[18:20] <jbrown419> also, at this command line screen, a random line keeps popping up
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> peter_: can we help you?
[18:20] <zomaar> I mean it didn't first work and then go haywire
[18:20] <jbrown419> it did work first
[18:20] <jbrown419> then went haywire
[18:20] <zomaar> 17.10 also?
[18:20] <jbrown419> yes sir
[18:20] <zomaar> So the 2nd reboot gave the problems
[18:20] <peter_> I am new in irssi and just testing it
[18:20] <jbrown419> after updating from software center yes
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> peter_: welcome, this is the ubuntu support channel
[18:21] <peter_> Where can I find more info about Ubuntu Studio OS?
[18:21] <jbrown419> ive been informed microcode problems but not sure as to what that means
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> !studio | peter_
[18:22] <zomaar> I guess more people report something like this...
[18:22] <jbrown419> [93.068135] ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status
[18:22] <zomaar> I do not use 17.10 myself so I cannot help you very much but it seems you need to downgrade a package
[18:22] <jbrown419> how can i get it to boot from the live udb>?
[18:22] <jbrown419> usb*
[18:23] <jbrown419> it doesn't seem to recognize it
[18:23] <zomaar> Microcodes aren't persistent so it is weird if it would be permanent
[18:23] <jbrown419> o ok
[18:23] <jbrown419> im really really new to linux so forgive me if im not more help
[18:23] <zomaar> However it sounds like the firmware corruption that the newer kernels gave, that should have been resolved
[18:24] <zomaar> Did you use an older image of 17.10 or a very recent download?
[18:24] <jbrown419> [93.068135] ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status , any ideas on thwat this line is?
[18:24] <jbrown419> recent download
[18:24] <zomaar> So you already had the newer kernel
[18:24] <jbrown419> i suppose so
[18:25] <jbrown419> so the microcode is out of the running
[18:25] <zomaar> Well actually if the USB boot no longer works it is rather serious
[18:25] <zomaar> That is to say, in december there was a bug like this
[18:25] <nemo> jbrown419: booting from USB on your personal system might involve going into bios and enabling legacy boot
[18:25] <zomaar> And it was fixed
[18:26] <peter_> quite
[18:26] <jbrown419> how do i get bios to come up on a mini mac that has already been erased for linux?
[18:26] <zomaar> Maybe Command-C but I don't know
[18:26] <nemo> jbrown419: on random systems where I can't find the keystroke I try del, esc, f1, f12, f10 all on startup over and over
[18:27] <jbrown419> ok nemo, let me try that
[18:27] <nemo> jbrown419: last time I made an ubuntu 14.04 boot image for my coworker using ubuntu's boot creator his boot menu had both legacy and uefi boot options in his F12 boot menu - but that might be bios dependant?
[18:27] <zomaar> Mac requires a key combo like Command-C
[18:27] <TJ-> jbrown419: have you checked whether the OS can see the USB device at all, with "lsusb" ?
[18:27] <zomaar> (Apple-key+C)
[18:27] <nemo> zomaar: he flashed the bios tho, no?
[18:27] <nemo> zomaar: he said it was wiped.
[18:27] <Frjd> How is it these days? Do I still need for example tlp on my laptop on 17.10 or are the defaults fine?
[18:28] <jbrown419> yes it can see it
[18:28] <Frjd> for battery life that is
[18:28] <nardian_> TJ-, for some reason, I had 2 Ubuntu on Xorg, one had a blank circle beside it, the other circle was filled with an ubuntu-ish logo... looked like I already was on one of them, now im on the other... dont see much differnce neither in ubuntu nor with the kvm problem
[18:28] <jbrown419> i have a generic keyboard im using on the mac
[18:28] <jbrown419> no command button
[18:28] <nemo> jbrown419: anyway, if you didn't wipe the bios.. https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-access-BIOS-in-Mac
[18:29] <nemo> jbrown419: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201255  off same quora page
[18:29] <jbrown419> i probably did wipe the bios, i followed a guide online that had me do a whole new partition table
[18:29] <oerheks> jbrown419, just unplug the mac mini, hold the powerbutton for 10 sec, and then try again?
[18:29] <jbrown419> ok
[18:29] <zomaar> That's not wiping the bios
[18:29] <TJ-> nardian_: did you try a clean reboot too?
[18:30] <nardian_> no ^^
[18:30] <nardian_> brb
[18:30] <zomaar> jbrown419: No it sounds like a package caused it for you
[18:30] <zomaar> jbrown419: At least the boot failure
[18:30] <TJ-> nardian: I'm suggesting a reboot since you ought to reproduce the cold-boot initialisation/discovery phase with the KVM attached to that 'lost' monitor
[18:30] <jbrown419> ok
[18:30] <jbrown419> no go, let me try the different variations. right now its just booting to grub
[18:31] <zomaar> jbrown419: Did you try to boot with the previous kernel?
[18:31] <jbrown419> yes
[18:31] <zomaar> No difference
[18:31] <jbrown419> i see the ubuntu mate splash logo now
[18:31] <jbrown419> and then kicked to terminal
[18:31] <TJ-> jbrown419: so, the OS can see the USB device, but the system firmware doesn't offer to boot from USB? That sounds like a system firmware options issue
[18:31] <nardian> TJ-, nope, no change
[18:31] <zomaar> does it say (initramfs)
[18:32] <TJ-> nardian: OK, that rules that out then, which is good since we narrow down the problem area
[18:32] <jbrown419> no, Ubunto 17.10 jbrown-macmini tty1
[18:32] <zomaar> Or does it require you to login
[18:32] <TJ-> nardian: can you show us  "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[18:32] <zomaar> Can you log in using your regular user?
[18:32] <jbrown419> yes
[18:32] <zomaar> So it is a login prompt
[18:33] <jbrown419> yes
[18:33] <ioria> jbrown419,  sudo service gdm restart    ?
[18:33] <jbrown419> but i cannot sudo from it
[18:33] <nardian> TJ- https://paste.ubuntu.com/26485078/
[18:33] <TJ-> jbrown419: these system firmware hotkeys might help: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201255
[18:33] <jbrown419> failed to start
[18:34] <jbrown419> gdm.service not found
[18:34] <ioria> jbrown419,  oh, are you booting a  livecd ?
[18:34] <jbrown419> i was trying to so i could reinstall ubuntu
[18:34] <zomaar> After you login are you in your home directory?
[18:34] <jbrown419> yes
[18:35] <jbrown419> ty tj
[18:35] <zomaar> So X just failed to start
[18:35] <zomaar> After updates
[18:35] <jbrown419> is X the desktop gui?
[18:35] <zomaar> You said the root filesystem was readonly?
[18:35] <jbrown419> when i try sudo it wont let me it says read-only
[18:36] <TJ-> nardian: line 804 onwards lists the outputs; do you know which one the KVM is connected to?
[18:36] <jbrown419> so i cannot update/upgrade anything
[18:36] <Mrokii_> I have found a site that talks about installing the latest Kernel that was just released. The site mentions a warning, that no Ubuntu-specific changes are included in this mainline-kernel. However, after that a repository for Ubuntu is mentioned, which is confusing. Is this another Ubuntu-specific version of the kernel I can install on a regular Ubuntu-installation or is this still the kernel without
[18:36] <zomaar> What does "sudo su" do
[18:36] <Mrokii_> Ubuntu-specific changes, even though it comes from a repository for Ubuntu?
[18:36] <ioria> jbrown419,  i'd try fsck from the grub screen
[18:37] <TJ-> jbrown419: what does this report? "grep ro /proc/mounts"
[18:37] <PCatinean> Hey guys
[18:37] <TJ-> !mainline | Mrokii_
[18:38] <PCatinean> if I have a command that reveals multiple line separated by newspace and each line having a whitespace between two values
[18:38] <nardian> TJ-, i'm quite positive that #0 is display port (nothing plugged in there), #1 is hdmi (kvm, not working), and #2 is dvi (currently seeing / using)
[18:38] <PCatinean> how can I feed those into a command delete arg1 --zone=arg2?
[18:38] <TJ-> nardian: so "HDMI-A-1" ?
[18:38] <Mrokii_> TJ-: I'll have a look, thanks.
[18:39] <grandfso> Hi! I have an old laptop running debian with BIOS uncapable of booting from USB. Would I be able to install Ubuntu on a USB stick from another OS ?
[18:39] <nardian> TJ-, as it is the only one containing HDMI, i guess? :)
[18:39] <jbrown419> grep ro /proc/mounts ; issuing command now, one sec
[18:39] <grandfso> another = from said debian laptop
[18:40] <TJ-> nardian: hehehe yeah! took some brains to figure that out :D  ... which Ubuntu release is this, 16.04 ?
[18:40] <nardian> 17.10
[18:40] <jbrown419> thats command gave me a bunch of lines
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> grandfso: try plop boot manager to load your usb anyway
[18:40] <TJ-> nardian: OK, oh, had to be, since Xorg on Ubuntu! duh. Right, so we have Xorg though, so "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[18:41] <zomaar> jbrown419: TJ- is looking for a line that says " / "
[18:41] <jbrown419> ./dev/sda2
[18:41] <nardian> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26485106/
[18:41] <zomaar> jbrown419: But can you execute "sudo su"?
[18:42] <EriC^^> grandfso: you could try booting the iso from grub, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Menuentry_Example
[18:42] <jbrown419> proc /proc proc rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0
[18:42] <jbrown419> ahha!
[18:42] <TJ-> jbrown419: zomaar any line being returned shows a file-system mounted Read-Only, which we wouldn't expect, so that needs to be investigated as to why.
[18:42] <jbrown419> i can execute sudo su
[18:42] <jbrown419> im now in root
[18:43] <jbrown419> awesome zoomar :-)
[18:43] <grandfso> lotuspsychje: thanks, never heard of plop. seems usefull
[18:43] <grandfso> EriC^^: This sounds like a plan :) cheers
[18:43] <PCatinean> any1?
[18:43] <jbrown419> should i reinstall grub? what should be the route i take to getting it back to reading usb?
[18:43] <zomaar> jbrown419: Your root is still read-only and we'd have to see why
[18:44] <PCatinean> a b\nc d <-- take that output and do delete a --zone=b delete c --zone=d
[18:44] <PCatinean> how can one do that with a bash command?
[18:44] <jbrown419> you are correct, it is read only still
[18:44] <TJ-> nardian: so "BenQ GL2450H" is the monitor on the DVI output?
[18:44] <jbrown419> bummer
[18:45] <nardian> TJ- both monitors should be the same...
[18:45] <nardian> TJ- bought them at once
[18:45] <TJ-> nardian: ahhh; Xorg logging isn't clear as to which output the EDID reported is from
[18:45] <zomaar> jbrown419: It might be possible to remount it read-write using "mount / -o remount,rw" but that won't solve the actual problem
[18:45] <TJ-> nardian: however, line 338 does say "RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 disconnected"
[18:46] <jbrown419> i dont have any data im worried about losing on it btw so you can have me do whatever btw
[18:46] <ioria> jbrown419, ro fs suggests a fsck   (at least)
[18:46] <nardian> TJ- yes, but also DVI-0 disconnected, but that one works (Im using it right now :) )
[18:46] <nardian> TJ-, oh, DVI gets connected later, hdmi not....
[18:47] <TJ-> nardian: line 339 says "RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 connected"
[18:47] <nardian> TJ-, well, that confirms what i see - nothing on hdmi-display :D
[18:47] <jbrown419> ioria how do i do that?
[18:47] <ioria> jbrown419, you can do it from 'grub' -> recovery
[18:48] <TJ-> nardian: Just so I'm clear about the scenario - at boot time the monitor is connected to the KVM /and/ the KVM has that monitor selected? (so there should be a route straight to the GPU's HDMI-0)
[18:49] <nardian> TJ- yes, but still I dont even see the BIOS / grub / ubuntu booting...
[18:49] <nardian> TJ- and trust me, i checked at least 100 times if the kvm-switch is on the right port :)
[18:49] <jbrown419> ok entering recovery now
[18:49] <nardian> TJ- it has to be, as the keyboard im typing right now also is plugged through the kvm switch
[18:50] <jbrown419> failed to start remount root
[18:50] <jbrown419> and failed to activate swap
[18:50] <TJ-> nardian: OK, I just wanted to be sure. There are *a lot* of bugs with KVMs using HDMI especially, because to work correctly good models  have to 'fake' an output even when no monitor is connected (in other words, they don't simply pass-through the EDID from the monitor, they create one themselves)
[18:50] <TJ-> nardian: so the next question is, what's the make/model of the KVM and do we have evidence it is known to work with Linux/Xorg, and if so, for which versions
[18:51] <jbrown419> failed because control process exited with error code
[18:52] <zomaar> jbrown419: At least you can run fsck /
[18:52] <jbrown419> lol
[18:52] <jbrown419> i can also dropn into root from recovery
[18:52] <nardian> TJ- "LINDY - HDMI KVM Switch Classic USB 2.0 & Audio 4 Port" and it already worked when i started a win10 machine (port 2), which was able to activate the monitor, and then switching back to ubuntu - then I see everything and can use it. The bug only appears for the "activating" stuff...
[18:52] <zomaar> That's the purpose
[18:52] <TJ-> zomaar: jbrown419 Can I suggest you check whether the package "laptop-mode-tools" is installed? There's a known bug in systemd/l-m-t which when they're installed together causes l-m-t to put the root file-system back into read-only mode repeatedly. Purging l-m-t is the best solution in that case.
[18:52] <nardian> TJ- oh, and since I've plugged in this second monitor, the HDMI / KVM doesnt even work with this win10-trick...
[18:52] <jbrown419> ok TJ
[18:53] <TJ-> nardian: that's an interesting data-point
[18:53] <nardian> TJ- that means - the monitor works for win10, but switching back to ubuntu, the monitor stays black and goes into standby
[18:53] <TJ-> nardian: is the PC's GPU built-in to the mobo or is it a discrete plug-in adapter?
[18:53] <nardian> discrete
[18:53] <jbrown419> i cannot TJ as it is read-only filesystem
[18:54] <TJ-> nardian: hmmm, so unlikely to be an ACPI issue then
[18:55] <jbrown419> why the heck is it read-only damn it
[18:55] <TJ-> jbrown419: check this: "awk '/^Package: laptop-mode-tools/{print}' /var/lib/dpkg/status  "
[18:55] <TJ-> jbrown419: if you get a line returned it's likely the package is installed
[18:55] <dati_> hey
[18:56] <jbrown419> the line was returned
[18:57] <jbrown419> i mean, it didn't do anything
[18:57] <jbrown419> just back to root prompt
[18:57] <zomaar> I have to reboot
[18:57] <jbrown419> oh man
[18:58] <jbrown419> :-(
[18:58] <jbrown419> ok i will try back later and see if anyone else is willing to help
[18:59] <jbrown419> thanks eveeryone
[19:01] <nardian> TJ-, so the X-log will NOT log when i plug in or out a monitor?
[19:01] <TJ-> nardian: I don't find anything obvious pointing to any incompatibilities with that KVM, so: Have you tried switching the KVM port the Ubuntu PC is using on it? I'd suggest swapping with the port the Windows PC is on, including using the same cables as the known-good Windows PC connection, to determine if this could be a fault in the KVM port or the HDMI cabling
[19:02] <TJ-> nardian: It should, yes, when a monitor is connected to the output it should report it fetch the EDID from the display
[19:02] <nardian> TJ-, kk ill try that one
[19:03] <nardian> TJ-, well, i unplugged both, dvi and hdmi monitors, but greping the xorg-log didnt show anything...
[19:03] <nardian> TJ- oh, you mean it would only show that EDID, not "hdmi" or "dvi"?
[19:03] <nardian> (or caps form)
[19:03] <TJ-> nardian: right, that is weird, it could be a GPU/driver issue, but it's quicker and easier to first rule out hardware problems before delving deep into code
[19:04] <TJ-> nardian: in most cases you sohuld see both "<output> connected" and EDID in Xorg, but I'm not up-to-date on what the radeon driver actually does report - generally these open-source drivers are extremely verbose though
[19:05] <TJ-> nardian: I shall be away for a little while; hopefully you can make progress
[19:05] <nardian_> TJ-, ye, that was my ethernet cable ...
[19:05] <nardian_> TJ-, but thank you - it really looks like an issue with the cable or the port
[19:06] <nardian_> switching the cable going into the machines from the win to the ubuntu, and now the monitor is up
[19:06] <nardian_> ill try a quick reboot
[19:07] <nardian__> TJ-,  yep. bios, grub, ubuntu booting... saw everything :)
[19:08] <nardian__> now i only have to check if the cable is bad or the whole device...
[19:08] <nardian__> but thank you for your help :)
[19:08] <grandfso> EriC^^: do you reckon whether update-grub should throw errors if my edits in  /etc/grub.d/40_custom  are broken ? The added menu item appears in the grub boot menu, but when selected just gives me prompt and nothing happens.
[19:10] <strixdio> when trying to modify dnsmasq.conf and add "interface=wlx00c0ca8d8b66" it tells me "dnsmasq: unknown interface wlx00c0ca8d8b66" after googling a bit I'm not sure what else to do. Any thoughts?
[19:11] <EriC^^> grandfso: try typing them out in grub shell
[19:13] <nardian> TJ- ,yes, looks like port1 is bad... im kind of sorry for that, i was quite sure that i already checked different ports...
[19:23] <mutantturkey> hi... having trouble setting up a package. i just get a hang on "Setting up mysql-server-5.7 (5.7.21-0ubuntu0.16.04.1) ...
[19:23] <mutantturkey> "
[19:24] <mutantturkey> checked out the process tree... its hanging on systemctl start mysql
[19:24] <TJ-> nardian: oh, that's good news in a way, means the OS is OK :)
[19:24] <mutantturkey> not sure why
[19:24] <mutantturkey> and i cant install ptrace..................................... because apt is broken
[19:24] <mutantturkey> lol
[19:26] <zomaar> I had to use a AMD graphics card but I didn't expect their to be no driver at all
[19:26] <zomaar> I mean in the sense of it just not working
[19:28] <TJ-> mutantturkey: anything in mysqld's log? or "systemctl status mysql" ?
[19:29] <TJ-> zomaar: which GPU is it (PCI vendor:device ID) "lspci -nnk -d::0300" should show it ?
[19:32] <akik> TJ-: did you make a request for the hard realtime kernel packaging?
[19:34] <TJ-> akik: I asked apw, he wasn't bothered either way. I asked where to find his mainline build scripts but never got a reply - I was planning on starting some test builds to verify it so he could just enable it
[19:35] <TJ-> akik: I'll ask again once the K.T. have had a breather after the PTI patches and Spectre test builds
[19:36] <akik> TJ-: thanks
[19:46] <notadeveloper> !topic
[19:48] <Budgii> Hi! I'm having trouble removing a program called Actiona. I'd use rm -r but I can't seem to locate it. Any help?
[19:50] <nacc> Budgii: how did you install it?
[19:50] <Budgii> Likely through the command line, i'm unsure. it's been over a week.. lol. I'm looking through dpkg --list now
[19:51] <nacc> Budgii: like with apt, dpkg, ./configure && make install, etc.
[19:51] <Budgii> so I found it in the list: ii  actiona        3.9.2-1build amd64        emulate human activity through a
[19:51] <leftyfb> Budgii: sudo apt purge actiona
[19:51] <nacc> Budgii: then what leftyfb said
[19:52] <Budgii> so I did the purge, i'm not sure what to do with what nacc said
[19:52] <leftyfb> Budgii: nothing. You're done
[19:52] <Budgii> ah. ok, thank you both for the quick reply!
[19:53] <ioria> Budgii, and you don't want to use 'rm -r'  to remove a pkg
[19:54] <Budgii> I didn't think so, but i was going to try it. I know its the solution for some executables, lol
[19:54] <Budgii> thanks ioria :)
[19:54] <ioria> Budgii, ok
[19:56] <TJ-> nacc: did you see the questions/comments re the lvm2 sanlock/lockd issue in -devel @ ~16.:30 ?
[19:58] <nacc> TJ-: no, i was afk
[19:59] <nacc> TJ-: was this re: MIR?
[19:59] <TJ-> nacc: yes, I didn't want it to slip after our working with catphish to see it gets into 18.04
[20:00] <nacc> TJ-:
[20:00] <nacc> TJ-: sorry, eyah -- i think we should demote it
[20:00] <nacc> i don't see any reason for it to be in main, at least not obviously
[20:00] <nacc> but i need to look
[20:07] <texla> Aborted (core dumped)
[20:07] <texla> Syntax errors are detected in generated GRUB config file.
[20:07] <texla> Ensure that there are no errors in /etc/default/grub
[20:07] <texla> and /etc/grub.d/* files or please file a bug report with
[20:07] <texla> done
[20:10] <Sterist> hellos, in upgrading my laptop's SSD 500gb --> 2tb and going to make the difference a large partition that windows and Ubuntu will both recognize... I believe my two choices are NTFS and exfat... anything I should keep in mind when deciding between the two? incompatibilities, annoyances, benefits, etc
[20:10] <oerheks> ntfs will be recognised standard, exfat needs 2 tools
[20:11] <texla> This is error I receive when doing update-grub there is a large amount of text before I can pastebin if required
[20:11] <Sterist> I think I already have those installed because my phone and tab uses exfat on the sdcards
[20:12] <Sterist> installed them a while back so I could transfer stuff
[20:12] <oerheks> Sterist, then you are fine
[20:12] <oerheks> texla, yes, pastebin your grub config,
[20:12] <Sterist> there's no other little quirks? all golden? :)
[20:13] <oerheks> sternot that i know of, there are tools available if the filesystem is 'dirty'
[20:13] <oerheks> Sterist *
[20:14] <r0b-> has anyone has luck with setting up dhcpd on Ubuntu 16.04?
[20:15] <TJ-> r0b-: Why not tell us the problem you are having? There are certainly a lot of users who have had success
[20:15] <Sterist> dirty meaning like, fragmentation? shouldn't matter on SSD if so
[20:15] <oerheks> there is a good wiki too https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/dhcp.html
[20:16] <ioria> r0b-, maybe you mean  isc-dhcp-server   ?
[20:17] <r0b-> It cant listen on the interface.
[20:17] <cristian_c> hello
[20:17] <texla> oerheks, https://pastebin.com/1nvxUaLE
[20:17] <cristian_c> how can I resize title bar buttons in appòications designed for gnome?
[20:18] <cristian_c> (for example gedit or Software)
[20:18] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[20:19] <oerheks> Sterist, no, if there is a faulty it somewhere, there is exfatfsck and ntfsfix
[20:20] <Ben64> cristian_c: mess with themes
[20:21] <TJ-> r0b-: then determine why that is; maybe some other DHPC daemon has bound to the interface/port combination
[20:22] <r0b-> im working on it
[20:24] <r0b-> followed the wiki exactly and its not working.
[20:25] <ioria> let's see this wiki
[20:25] <strk> sound settings window is now too tall to fit in the screen and no way to resize :(  -- this is a 17.04 -> 17.10 issue
[20:25] <r0b-> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/dhcp.html
[20:25] <ioria> r0b-, why you need  isc-dhcp-server   ?
[20:26] <TJ-> r0b-: check what's listening: " sudo ss -upl 'sport = 53' "
[20:26] <leftyfb> r0b-: did you "You also may need to edit /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server to specify the interfaces dhcpd should listen to." ?
[20:26] <ioria> r0b-, that is another thing, not the 'common' dhcp ... that is on the router, afaik
[20:27] <r0b-> I have it set to listen to both LAN interfaces.
[20:27] <leftyfb> ioria: there is no problem with isc-dhcp-server.
[20:27] <leftyfb> r0b-: post your configs to pastebin
[20:28] <TJ-> r0b-: have you checked the service log? "systemctl status isc-dhcp-server "
[20:30] <r0b-> yea
[20:30] <r0b-> the service log is telling me it catn listen on an interface
[20:31] <leftyfb> r0b-: does the interface exist (typo)? Is it up? Is there another dhcpd running from some of your debugging?
[20:31] <leftyfb> r0b-: look through /var/log/syslog to see if there is more detailed errors
[20:31] <r0b-> afaik theres no more dhcp
[20:31] <r0b-> no other dhcp
[20:31] <leftyfb> r0b-: did you run the command from TJ- above?
[20:32] <r0b-> yes
[20:32] <leftyfb> r0b-: and?
[20:33] <r0b-> theres nothing.
[20:33] <TJ-> r0b-: If we're going to help you, you need to start pastebin-ing the config and the actual log messages
[20:33] <r0b-> other than the 127.0.0.1
[20:33] <leftyfb> TJ-: you do know what you posted was dns, not dhcp right?
[20:34] <TJ-> leftyfb: oh my !!! LOL
[20:34] <leftyfb> port 67
[20:34]  * TJ- jumps into the pool
[20:34] <TJ-> r0b-: check what's listening: " sudo ss -upl 'sport = 67' "
[20:34] <r0b-> I fixed it myself
[20:34] <TJ-> leftyfb: juggling too many similar investigations here :)
[20:34] <leftyfb> r0b-: what was the issue?
[20:35] <r0b-> I am a dumbass
[20:35] <ioria> interface
[20:35] <r0b-> yep
[20:35] <ioria> lol
[20:35] <leftyfb> wrong interface in /etc/defaults/isc-dhcp-server?
[20:35] <r0b-> problem is. I am working on a Live USB lol
[20:36] <leftyfb> also relevant information you should have provided
[20:37] <texla> oerheks, https://pastebin.com/1nvxUaLE
[20:41] <oerheks> texla, i hope you didn't edit that file, normally one uses /etc/default/grub  and run update grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[20:42] <r0b-> Ok if you must know what I was trying to do.. I have an HP T5740 thin client that I was going to TRY and use Ubuntu to create a wireless bridge basically.
[20:42] <r0b-> going from Wireless to Wired.
[20:45] <texla> oerheks, No I only ran grub install to change grub from 14.04 to 16.04 and then ran update
[20:46] <rmeloni> Hello there... sorry for my question. Is this the right irc for beginners?
[20:49] <ioria> rmeloni, yes, please ask
[20:51] <gugah> hi all, is there a way to do mouse debouncing on 16.04LTS? I've seen a patch for 14.04 which won't work on 16.04 and, I know, my mouse is faulty, but it shouldn't be hard to patch
[20:52] <rmeloni> I don't know anything.... how to refer to someone? I see many rows quickly up to down...
[20:53] <Yannxplorer> Bonjour le chan
[20:53] <ioria> rmeloni, you ask the channel, that's all
[20:53] <Yannxplorer> oups, hello chan :)
[20:54] <ioria> gugah, you mean rebuild xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev ?
[20:55] <gugah> ioria: that's what Ive found for 14.04 yes
[20:55] <ioria> gugah, sorry, no news about that
[20:57] <Allanis> Heya guys. I have a not really Ubuntu related problem, I was wondering if I can get some hints.
[20:57] <texla> oerheks, https://pastebin.com/YGpDX1V6...does the default ubuntu have to be enclosed in quotes
[20:57] <Allanis> Landlord asked me for a simple "password recovery" on a laptop I think he got at some auction somewhere.
[20:57] <Allanis> I thought, sure. it's Windows, I'll mount the drive using my trust Ubuntu flash drive.
[20:57] <rmeloni> Thank you ioria, my (I hope) simple question is: my backup (deja-dup) failed at some point. Is there a way to view my files like a filesystem way? Or is there a way to go even an error occurs?
[20:58] <Allanis> I find out it used to belong to the local university, and is encrypted with Bitlocker, so I can't access the boot partition.
[20:58] <rmeloni> @ioria: I'm trying to restore...
[20:58] <Allanis> Would there be around this do you think?
[20:58] <Allanis> a way around*
[20:59] <Zythyr> I am using "dd" to write random to a partition. This is taking a long time because the parititon is ~1.5TB. Instead of filling every sector, how can I make it so it fills with random with every x amount of sectors and the skips y amount of sectors
[20:59] <raiksey> Hey all, if I downloaded the zsh-syntax-highlighting plugin as a package from apt/universe, how do I then go about activating it in zsh?
[21:01] <Ben64> Zythyr: just fill it with zeros
[21:02] <Zythyr> Ben64 Need to fill with random because i m doing it for encryption
[21:02] <dax> are you using /dev/random or /dev/urandom
[21:02] <Ben64> Zythyr: that doesn't make sense
[21:03] <Zythyr> Ben64 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption/DetailedProcessPartitionFormatEncrypt#Data_fill_for_paranoid_mode
[21:03] <TJ-> Zythyr: what are you using to generate the random data? There's a quick way by writing zeros to a temporarily LUKS/dm-crypt overlay
[21:03] <dax> ^
[21:03] <Zythyr> dax I am using /dev/urandom
[21:04] <Ben64> i don't see why you couldn't use zeros
[21:04] <Ben64> or whatever is already there
[21:05] <Zythyr> TJ- I am using "sudo dd bs=16M if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdB1". This is taking too long. So what I was thinking was instead of it filling the entire parition, it would write random to X amount blocks, then skip Y amount of blocks and then wr ite X amount of blocks again.  So it won't be fully randomly but still the partition will be filled randomly
[21:05] <dax> Ben64: because then an adversary can tell how much of your hard disk is used. which is not a big deal usually but some people care
[21:05] <TJ-> Zythyr: this is the fastest: "cryptsetup create temp1 /dev/sdXY --key-file /dev/random ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/temp1 bs=200M ; cryptsetup remove temp1"
[21:06] <TJ-> Zythyr: that uses the fact that writing zeroes into the encrypted device causes cryptographically random bytes to be written to the underlying device
[21:07] <Allanis> Sorry, disregard my query. I'm not touching the machine. I'm sure if this laptop was really purchased in an auction, the university it belonged to would have formatted the drive, or even destroyed the drive. I don't want to touch it.
[21:07] <Zythyr> TJ- So you are saying that I fill it with zeros, then encrypt it and then remove the paritiont so it would still seem encrypted?
[21:07] <rmeloni> Backup deja-dup failed on restore and stops there. Anyone knows how to ignore errors and continue to end?
[21:08] <Ben64> Zythyr: the steps listed above are -- encrypt then write zeros
[21:09] <TJ-> Zythyr: no, you got that the wrong way about. You create an encrypted block device covering the entire block-device you want to randomise (in my example sdXY), then write zeros into the encrypted part, then delete the mapping, resulting in the underlying device being randomised
[21:09] <Ben64> hopefully faster than urandom
[21:09] <TJ-> Zythyr: at that point you then install your encrypted OS
[21:09] <TJ-> Ben64: yes, a lot faster :)
[21:10] <Ben64> i can push 19GB/s with /dev/zero, 72MB/s with /dev/urandom
[21:10] <Zythyr> TJ- When I do "cryptsetup remove temp1" does that "delete" the encrypted partition?
[21:10] <TJ-> it's usually slightly faster than 'openssl enc' if the dd blocksize (bs) is large... I sometimes use 1G for that but 200M generally is good enough
[21:10] <TJ-> Zythyr: it removes the temporary mapping
[21:11] <Zythyr> ok let me try it
[21:11] <Ben64> the zeros will be unrecoverable after that
[21:11] <Zythyr> Thanks trying it now.
[21:11] <TJ-> Zythyr: if you want to see the progress off dd, add the option " status=progress" to it's command-line
[21:12] <rmeloni> Please give me hints on how to chat with you.... I'm NEW !!!
[21:14] <Bashing-om> !rab | rmeloni
[21:14] <Bashing-om> !tab | rmeloni
[21:15] <rachid1> slt
[21:16] <rachid1> ca va
[21:16] <rmeloni> Thank you Bashing-om, not working for me...
[21:17] <Outy> Hi folks
[21:17] <Bashing-om> rmeloni: Well, what does "not working for me..." mean ?
[21:17] <Zythyr> TJ- So its zero suppose to be faster than random? Getting a speed of 22 MB/s. This is a HDD not SSD.
[21:18] <rmeloni> tab not working...
[21:19] <rmeloni> but i've a question on my ubuntu backup software. My restore failed at some point and stop there. Is there a way to go further with a command line?
[21:20] <TJ-> Zythyr: it can depend on the CPU, whether it has hardware support for the cryptographic primitives for AES.
[21:20] <Zythyr> TJ- Do I even have to write a zeros after creating the encrypted block (temp1)? The reason I ask is because after creating the encrypted block temp1, whatever data is there is unknown and most likely random. When I delete the encrypted block, I am guessing its already randomized due to encryption?
[21:21] <TJ-> Zythyr: yes. creating a block device only creates the header for it. Until data is written to it nothing changes on the underlying device
[21:21] <Outy> I have a question. I installed a lot of icons recently. Now i have to update the icon cache for a few hundred subfolders in /usr/share/icons/  . I tried: ls /usr/share/icons/ > dir.txt   then    sudo gtk-update-icon-cache < dir.txt   ... this is not working - i know that now. but how do I do that =) ???
[21:22] <Outy> maybe a script with a loop ?
[21:22] <TJ-> Outy: have you read the man-page for it? It says you pass it the directory name
[21:23] <TJ-> Outy: "It expects to be given the path to a icon theme directory containing an index.theme" ... so you need to call it for each 'theme' I presume?
[21:23] <Outy> TJ-:  yes but i can pass only one directory at a time  i have to do hundreds
[21:23] <rmeloni> Hello!!! I'm NEW... is there a more specific tag for Deja-dup?
[21:24] <zomaar> TJ-: Can't show you anymore because I swapped it for a working other (the graphics card)
[21:24] <Outy> TJ-:  maybe a script calling gtk-update-icon-cache for each line in dir.txt
[21:24] <Zythyr> TJ- Ahh I see. So after creating the block device, do I need to even write to ALL of the blocks in the partitions? Wouldn't only writing random or zero to first few blocks, cause the entire partition to look random after being encrypted again?
[21:24] <zomaar> TJ-: But my AMD was a R9 380 that needs the amdgpu pro driver but...
[21:26] <zomaar> TJ-: Solving the hang I get while booting instead of using another card was not worth it
[21:26] <TJ-> ducasse: how about: sudo find /usr/share/icons/ -type f -name 'index.theme' -exec sh -c 'gtk-update-icon-cache $( dirname {} )' \;
[21:26] <TJ-> oops¬
[21:27] <TJ-> Outy: how about: sudo find /usr/share/icons/ -type f -name 'index.theme' -exec sh -c 'gtk-update-icon-cache $( dirname {} )' \;
[21:27] <rmeloni> Hello. Virtualbox hangs after meltdown patch solutions?
[21:28] <TJ-> zomaar: yeah, sometimes just replacing things is more efficient. No point getting hung up on problems when you can work around them
[21:29] <Outy> TJ-: thanks i'll study this line before execution. I thought of a loop script but this looks nice
[21:30] <rmeloni> Bashing-om: help me... nobody answer me
[21:30] <TJ-> Outy: do just this to see what it finds. Those are then passed to the -exec command:  find /usr/share/icons/ -type f -name 'index.theme'
[21:31] <Bashing-om> rmeloni: I do not have answers for what you seek .
[21:31] <TJ-> rmeloni: which version of VB is in use?
[21:32] <rmeloni> Bashing-om: but I've understand hoe to refer to someone! Thank you!
[21:32] <nacc> rmeloni: if someone knows the answer, they will respond
[21:32] <TJ-> rmeloni: According to Oracle 5.2.6 has fixes for PTI issues https://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/vbox-526
[21:34] <rmeloni> TJ: VB? What it means? I'm very sorry... but I'm completely new...
[21:35] <Outy> TJ-: worked like a charm. thanks man... last question: -exec in this line is the option for what command ?
[21:35] <nacc> rmeloni: VB = VirtualBox
[21:35] <nacc> Outy: find
[21:35] <TJ-> Outy: it is the 'action' for the 'find' command (see "man find") ... it replaces the {} with the result and executes the commands
[21:36] <rmeloni> nacc: Thank you! I though Visual Basic... :-((
[21:37] <TJ-> rmeloni: sorry! since you mention VirtualBox I thought you'd know
[21:37] <Outy> TJ-: Thanks a lot!  New knowledge acquired successfully today =)
[21:38] <rmeloni> TJ: after Meltdown patch, my ubuntu 16.04 LTS virtualbox hangs on start virtual machines....
[21:39] <Outy> rmeloni: last good kernel for 16.04 lts is 4.4.0-104
[21:39] <TJ-> rmeloni: right, and I told you that Oracle have released VirtualBox 5.2.6 to address meltdown (PTI) regressions.
[21:39] <Outy> rmeloni: i kept it for now
[21:41] <rmeloni> Duty: Thank you
[21:42] <rmeloni> TJ: Thank you, but i've alredy tried new version and got errors
[21:43] <TJ-> rmeloni: hmmm, then it may need reporting as a bug
[21:44] <TJ-> !bug | rmeloni
[21:44] <Zythyr> TJ- When I try to remove with "cryptsetup remove temp1" I get error "Device mapp temp1 failed; device or resource busy. device temp1 is still in use
[21:44] <jatt> what is this meltdown patch
[21:45] <rmeloni> Duty: maybe your solution the best, because i think it get the solution on the root
[21:45] <TJ-> Zythyr: probably the I/O is stull flushing to disk. Try issuing "sync" once that returns the flush will be conplete
[21:46] <Zythyr> sync? how do i do that
[21:46] <TJ-> Zythyr: "sync" is the command
[21:46] <nacc> !kpti | jatt
[21:46] <nacc> jatt: for more discussion #ubuntu-hardened
[21:46] <jatt> thx
[21:47] <Zythyr> TJ- So do I do "sudo sync /dev/sda4"?
[21:47] <TJ-> Zythyr: "sync"
[21:47] <TJ-> Zythyr: The commands I'm giving you are inside the quote marks
[21:48] <Zythyr> I did only "sync" I returned. But device still in use
[21:49] <TJ-> Zythyr: the suggests you've something else still accessing it. Has the 'dd ...' command completed ?
[21:49] <rmeloni> TJ: Meltdown patch cause software houses a root solution, multiple processes is a single or multi-core chip before patch share the whole memory. After that, no more!
[21:49] <Zythyr> I stoped it by doing Ctrl + C
[21:49] <TJ-> Zythyr: did you try to mount the /dev/mapper/temp1 or do any other operations on it?
[21:51] <Zythyr> nope
[21:51] <Zythyr> I guess I can jsut reboot to fix the issue. I am on a live USB
[21:52] <Zythyr> btw I didn't write to the entire partition. Was taking too long.
[21:52] <TJ-> Zythyr: something must be holding it open, and that usually means a process is accessing it still
[21:54] <Zythyr> TJ- Is this assumption correct? When I create a block device with cryptsetup, it only creates the headers. But if I write random to only X amount blocks, then remove the block device, then the entire parition is encrypted and ranomized? For example, if there are total 100 blocks and I write random to only the first 5 blocks, after removing the block device, the entire 100 blocks would look
[21:54] <Zythyr> encrypted?
[21:55] <TJ-> Zythyr: no, it isn't correct. Only the blocks that were written to will result in encrypted blocks on the underlying device
[21:56] <TJ-> You can't magically change the bits on a storage device without writing to each sector/block
[21:57] <Zythyr> If I don't write to zeros or random to the blocks, they can be either in the 0 state or 1 state right? We don't know, but essentially isn't that random?
[21:58] <TJ-> Zythyr: not for the purpose you asked for, which is to randomise the entire device so that a subsequent encrypted OS install's own written blocks cannot be identified on the disk.
[22:00] <Outy> rmeloni: did it work ???
[22:01] <Zythyr> ohh ok
[22:02] <Zythyr> TJ- I guess i'll pass on writing random since its taking too long. Thie guide I was following says "if i am paranoid" I should fill it with random. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption/DetailedProcessPartitionFormatEncrypt#Data_fill_for_paranoid_mode
[22:02] <Zythyr> TJ- Appreciate your help :)
[22:03] <Outy> TJ-:  why is dirname in the line? would it work with 'gtk-update-icon-cache ${} ' \;
[22:04] <TJ-> Outy: think about it. Did you run the find command without the -exec parts as I suggested?
[22:04] <Outy> TJ-: nope
[22:04] <TJ-> Outy: well, you should have if you want to learn! You'd see results like this: "/usr/share/icons/Humanity/index.theme"
[22:05] <rmeloni> :outty I'dont know yet, recompiling the kernel is not on my possibility
[22:05] <TJ-> Outy: but grk-update-icon-cache takes a directory path, not a file, so we use the 'dirname' command to strip off the filename, so it works
[22:05] <titou_> hi everyone !
[22:06] <TJ-> Outy: try "dirname "/usr/share/icons/Humanity/index.theme"  " see what you get
[22:06] <Outy> TJ-: without -exec it prints:  find: paths must precede expression: sh
[22:07] <TJ-> Outy: how about: " find /usr/share/icons/ -type f -name 'index.theme' "
[22:08] <Outy> TJ-: ahh now i see: Output each NAME with its last non-slash component and trailing slashes removed;
[22:08] <rmeloni> ubottu: sure I've already reported what I think is a bug
[22:08] <TJ-> Outy: precisely :)
[22:08] <Outy> TJ-: from man dirname  didnt kniw it was a command
[22:08] <TJ-> Outy: so, string them together and you get what you want
[22:08] <titou_> I'm trying to install french canadian language ... from within xfce it return "error you don't have the previlege blablabla..."
[22:09] <rmeloni> Noboby use virtualmachine on ubuntu????
[22:09] <TJ-> Outy: sometimes doing "ls /bin /usr/bin/" and then "man <some-command-name>" (e.g. "man dirname") can be VERY instructive
[22:09] <TJ-> Outy: most Linux systems are packed full of very useful tools.
[22:09] <Outy> rmeloni: i did oracle vbox
[22:10] <TJ-> rmeloni: Linux has it's own virtual machine hypervisor in-kernel, KVM, which is used via QEMU/KVM usually, and sometimes managed by virt-manager if you want a GUI
[22:11] <Outy> TJ-: jep i thought dirname was a descripton
[22:11] <michael2> hi, I would like to uninstall thunderbird email client - does anyone know how to do this?
[22:11] <rmeloni> Outy: and now? On 16.04 LTS works on you?
[22:11] <TJ-> michael2: "sudo apt remove thunderbird"
[22:12] <Bashing-om> Outy: Further thought: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind .
[22:12] <Outy> michael2: sudo apt-get purge thunderbird --auto-remove --purge
[22:12] <michael2> TJ-: is it thunderbird or mozilla-thunderbird?
[22:12] <rmeloni> TJ: thank you!!! I will try it
[22:13] <Outy> Bashing-om: thank you very mch
[22:13] <TJ-> !info thunderbird | michael2
[22:13] <Bashing-om> Outy: OH, just peeking pver TJ-'s shoulder :)
[22:14] <michael2> TJ-: Outy - thanks
[22:16] <rmeloni> Anyone has experience with deja-dup restore?? Mine stops with error... Any idea to go on eventually via command line so to skip errors?
[22:19] <__rob> hi
[22:19] <__rob> just run an upgrade from yakkety to zesty
[22:20] <__rob> I am wondering when prompted to keep local changes to any config files or overwrite, I want to keep my config
[22:20] <__rob> but is there somewhere the new ones are stored
[22:20] <__rob> so, if my old config files are now incomplete for the new package, I have a reference to pull the new bits out of
[22:21] <Outy> rmeloni: checked it a few seconds ago... working
[22:22] <Outy> rmeloni: working checked a few seconds ago
[22:23] <rmeloni> Outy: not VM from ubuntu store... or you compiled?
[22:24] <Outy> rmeloni: its from ppa one moment ill post it
[22:28] <Outy> rmeloni: wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[22:28] <Outy> rmeloni:  wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[22:29] <Outy> rmeloni: followed  by sudo apt-get update   then install
[22:30] <Outy> rmeloni:  read this: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[22:30] <rmeloni> Outy: hope your solution works... I'll get a feeback asap
[22:30] <Outy> rmeloni: Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list. According to your distribution, replace '<mydist>' with 'artful', 'zesty', 'yakkety', 'xenial', 'vivid', 'utopic', 'trusty', 'raring', 'quantal', 'precise', 'stretch', 'lucid', 'jessie', 'wheezy', or 'squeeze':
[22:31] <Outy> rmeloni: deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian <mydist> contrib
[22:32] <rmeloni> Outy: I've tried before to install 5.1.3 but failed on ubuntu. Just give me the time. I'll be back in a few  minutes...
[22:40] <rmeloni> Outy: I can't find your link... but your suggestions give me the hints. I will give you a feedback asap.
[22:40] <Euph0ria> msg nickserv ident etFskTsM2KDfVnua
[22:41] <Outy> see private chat window
[22:41] <Outy> rmeloni: can you see this private chat window ?
[22:53] <xromulus> Lol Euph0ria
[22:54] <kostkon> Euph0ria, did you change your password?
[23:02] <rmeloni> Hello there... Backup deja-dup issue. It stops on restore. Any idea to continues on error'
[23:03] <tetotronic> Hello. I installed some automatic updates and now my display is corrupted.
[23:04] <tetotronic> Can somebody help me, please?
[23:05] <Outy> tetotronic: corrupted? how does it look ?
[23:06] <tetotronic> Outy: It is split. On the left 3/4 of the display it looks like an old DOS display showing white dots, like a snowfall would have been shown in DOS.
[23:06] <tetotronic> There is a strip on the right side that does show the proper display that I was able to see before applying the updates.
[23:07] <pankaj> Is their any terminal application to view forums in ubuntu rather then googling it separately in browser?
[23:07] <Euph0ria> Is there any way to get native ZFS in Untubu?
[23:08] <Bashing-om> !zfs
[23:08] <Outy> tetotronic: are you on ubuntu ?
[23:10] <pankaj> Bashing-om: Is it zfs for viewing forums?
[23:10] <nacc> pankaj: no, that was not directed to you.
[23:10] <tetotronic> Outy: Yes, sir. Actually it is Xenial Xerus with Mate desktop.
[23:10] <nacc> pankaj: you can use a cli-based web browser, i suppose, but afaik, the forums are web-only
[23:11] <tetotronic> Outy: I have to say it is a rather old computer. An Acer Aspire One netbook.
[23:11] <pankaj> Is their command line tool for like Wiki or Mailing lists?
[23:11] <Outy> tetotronic: you can list the last installed updates with: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ "   then do some research witch one could have corrupted your display
[23:12] <tetotronic> Outy: Well noted. Is this the correct command? <cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ ">
[23:13] <nacc> pankaj: well mailing lists can be viewed in a text based email reader
[23:13] <nacc> pankaj: and the wiki in a text-based web browser
[23:13] <Outy> tetotronic: yes  but im not shure if it will list automatic updated packets as well
[23:14] <TJ-> tetotronic: you can reduce that to "grep ' install' /var/og/dpkg.log"
[23:14] <TJ-> tetotronic: except for my typos of course! /var/log/ not /var/og/
[23:14] <Outy> maybe Tacoder knows more
[23:15] <tetotronic> TJ-: :D Thank you, will check it out.
[23:15] <TJ-> tetotronic: if you wan to examine the recently installed packages, view the /var/log/apt/history.log
[23:15] <pankaj> nacc: OK.
[23:16] <zomaar> I personally always just use cat because that way I don't have to think about the order of arguments of grep ;-)
[23:16] <tetotronic> Outy: When I do find the one that I think may be the issue, what should I do? Is there a chance to "uninstall" it?
[23:18] <Outy> tetotronic: yes - but not shure how to downgrade.  i wont purge it.    teto & tj know more about that ?
[23:18] <TJ-> tetotronic: if there are problems it's better to identify why than remove packages, sicne they are required. If it's a display issue then there may  be clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:18] <zomaar> TJ-: Yeah I just wanted to play a game and it was not at the default resolution, so with the nomodset AMD drivers I couldn't do it.
[23:18] <krytarik> tetotronic: Your description is a little different from what I've usually seen, but sounds like LP bug 1724639 overall.
[23:18] <zomaar> TJ-: nomodesetting resulted in the 800x600 game just being centered in a 1360x768 window
[23:19] <tetotronic> TJ-: I am a bit of a newcomer to Linux. What is "Xorg.0.log"?
[23:19] <Outy> ubottu: this sounds like tetotronic described it
[23:19] <Bashing-om> tetotronic: once the package is known one can run ' apt show <package> ' , If the field is " Priority: optional " then yes, safe to remove .
[23:20] <rmeloni> TOALL: thank you for efforts, probably I'm in the wrong irc. I'm NEW to this world, so I wish you the best
[23:20] <zomaar> TJ-: So even if I didn't need any video acceleration, I still need drivers to play a simple game like that
[23:21] <Outy> tetotronic: switching back to pre kernel should solve the problem was written in bug report
[23:23] <tetotronic> Outy: yes, I am reading it right now. May I ask you how do I switch back to such pre kernel...?
[23:23] <zomaar> ...strangely my nVidia suddenly died at least for the HDMI part, as if some Linux command permanently sent it to sleep
[23:23] <tetotronic> Outy: Also, should I stop updating to new kernels...?
[23:24] <TJ-> tetotronic: Xorg.0.log is the log-file created by the X server, the software that drives the GUI
[23:25] <Outy> at boot time.. you should get the options where you can select older kernel with up/down arrows  if you havent seen this before hold shift at boot or press escape few times (usually when bootloader grub is starting)
[23:25] <TJ-> zomaar: are you using it with a keyboard-video-mouse multiplexer device? We had someone earlier with the same issue and it turned out to be a faulty port on the KVM
[23:26] <zomaar> TJ-: Yes actually it was used with that
[23:26] <zomaar> TJ-: But it was disconnected when it no longer worked
[23:27] <zomaar> I know I have had weird issues before, it is an expensive Aten model
[23:27] <Outy> tetotronic: https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/sshot169.png  should see something like that  the top one is newest (broken) kernel the third one (without recovery) is last working fine
[23:28] <TJ-> zomaar: I wonder if the fault caused something to fail in the electronics on the GPU side too
[23:28] <Outy> tetotronic:   if you misst it:   at boot time.. you should get the options where you can select older kernel with up/down arrows  if you havent seen this before hold shift at boot or press escape few times (usually when bootloader grub is starting)
[23:31] <zomaar> I moved my monitor and suddenly the monitor went to standby (HDMI), then text mode gave a weird image, and after another few reboots there was no image anymore even in BIOS
[23:32] <Outy> zomaar: broken cables ;) ?
[23:32] <tetotronic> Outy: Thank you, I have used GRUB before and selecting one of those options I can use the computer just fine. Actually that is how I am using it right now.
[23:32] <krytarik> tetotronic: Ftm, the generally proven workaround for that bug is to add "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" to the boot parameters.
[23:32] <zomaar> TJ-: There always seems to be... more power on the shielding than I expect.... maybe there really something is faulty
[23:33] <zomaar> Outy: No the cable was in fact a bit faulty with a broken plug but I replaced it and still the same
[23:33] <tetotronic> krytarik: Oh... Dear... Lord... thank you. Sorry to ask, but... How do I "add X to the boot parameters"?
[23:34] <Outy> zomaar: is it onboard graphocs or a card ?
[23:35] <krytarik> tetotronic: Wrong terminology there even - but this one by editing "/etc/default/grub", and there are further hints on that in the comments to the bug report.
[23:35] <zomaar> TJ-: I had already damaged the card a bit through a fan not spinning and it overheated so I can just repurpose it for another computer and it's not so bad (if the VGA still works)
[23:35] <zomaar> But I am now afraid of connecting something else to that KVM
[23:35] <zomaar> I think I will return it under warranty
[23:36] <zomaar> But I have to test the card again
[23:37] <zomaar> The KVM caused the USB of my Linux computer to entirely stop working
[23:37] <Outy> Have to sleep now. Thank you @ll for the help. You are 1337 - This is my first time here on #ubuntu channel and I loved it!
[23:37] <zomaar> And put both monitors to sleep....
[23:38] <TJ-> zomaar: sounds like a good idea; what you said about power suggests a floating ground. I'd be concerned as to how the KVM isolates the ground. I had a similiar issue with a PoE extractor connected to a RasPi... powered the headless RasPi fine until an external HDMI monitor was connected, at which point it instantly died. Turned out the ground shield was floating at 48V because the PoE extractor wasn't going
[23:38] <TJ-> through an isolation transformer
[23:38] <krytarik> !grub | tetotronic: Fwiw, more info
[23:39] <TJ-> Outy: we hope not to see you back (with problems!) :)
[23:39] <zomaar> Which happened after I disconnected and reconnected the main power
[23:40] <zomaar> (The KVM is powered but can also run off USB but happens to lock up if you do that...)
[23:40] <Outy> TJ-: will avoid problems - I promise  ;)
[23:40] <zomaar> TJ-: Right, sounds like it